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The 2011 Reds Draft: The recap.

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   Thanks to all who read the draft coverage the last few weeks, particularly the last three days as the selections unfolded. I am ever appreciative to BK, nycredsfan,Kidd2Petrovic,  pack_fan and others who helped make this possible. With MLB’s Draft Tracker going haywire and Baseball America’s tracker operating several rounds behind, there was no way to do this in timely fashion without these guys. Kudos, my friends.

   Today we offer a wrapup of the Reds draft, selection by selection. I’ll post players individually, then a "Turtle’s Take" in the comments, so these are easier for you to read and comment on.

   Overall, I’m pleased. Robert Stephenson was a strong pick at No. 27. I like the Ryan Wright selection a lot. Amir Garrett could be a tremendous selection. Sean Buckley is legitimate.

   For me, the Reds went a bit reliever heavy, with four, maybe five, of the top 10 selections being bullpen arms. I’d liked to have seen more starting pitching acquired. Quick-moving relievers, though, make good trade bait if nothing else. The Reds drafted a lot of athletes. I like that. Those players come with risk, but their potential to improve and develop as baseball players is high. Cincinnati took some college outfielders with some pop. I like that, too.

   The Reds didn’t draft anyone from Marshall, but eight Thundering Herd players were selected. I know, you don’t care, but what the heck., I’m including it anyway.

   Here’s a look at the picks 1 through 50:

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Turtle's Take:

I like this pick. Stephenson was a better option than any of the college pitchers available. While I’d have been pleased with Texas SS Trevor Story, the Reds need to add impact arms to the system. This guy has potential to be that. He has a good body and a smooth delivery. If he can master a changeup, Stephenson could develop into a front of the rotation starter.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 5:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

For some reason, he kind of reminds me of Kyle Lotzkar, minus the injury risk.

I’m looking forward to seeing how he does.

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by crolfer on Jun 9, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kyle Lotzkar minus the injury risk is a stud

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Jun 9, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure is.

I’d take that.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 2:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Atlanta Scouting Director Tony DeMacio

said the Braves were going to take Stephenson if the Reds didn’t. Instead, they wound up with Florida State LHP Sean Gilmartin, a player rumors had the Reds interested in selecting.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 10, 2011 5:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Turtle's Take:

This kid reminds me of Juan Duran or Yorman Rodriguez. Considered by many a third – or fourth-round pick, he might be a bit of an overdraft. I might have preferred Hawaii RHP Lenny Linsky, Merced JC RHP Jake Cisco or one of the difficult to sign guys such as Matt Purke or Daniel Norris, but Rosa is a fine talent.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 5:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Turtle's Take:

 I thought this was a bit of an overdraft, too, but the Reds apparently like what they saw. Flame-throwing leftys have value if they can throw strikes. Cingrani needs to improve his slider or learn to throw a changeup to reach his potential.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 5:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Height....

One can only hope that 6’ 5" frame can help him use that leverage to throw more strikes on a consistant basis esp. once he fills out more

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by Kidd2Petrovic on Jun 9, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Turtle's Take:

Another hard-throwing reliever. Love the strikeouts. Detest the walks. If he develops consistency with the slider and cuts his walks, McMyne could be valuable. Still, I thought the fourth round was a bit high.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 5:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

any sense of what his chances of starting are?

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Jun 9, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he improves the consistency

of his slider and improves his curve, he has a real shot to remain a starter. If not, he’s a power reliever. That he holds his velocity well is a factor in his favor.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 2:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Turtle's Take:

I love this pick! Terrific value in the fifth round and the kid can hit. His versatility is a plus. He reminds me a bit of Ryan Freel. This is a nice fallback selection for missing out on Kolten Wong.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 5:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

He reminds me more of chris valaika than ryan freel

freel was fast

"strikeouts are a lot sexier than groundouts"

by smitty3 on Jun 9, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wright's versatility and gritty play

are what brought Freel to mind. Wright can play the outfield.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 9:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Turtle's Take:

Good pick. I like the power bat and the athleticism. Buckley doesn’t appear to be just a slugger. He’s a good, young athlete with HR potential. Drafted by the Cubs in the 29th round in 2008, Buckley ranked as the No. 20 JUCO prospect available for the draft.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 5:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Turtle's Take:

Well, if you’re going to draft relievers, Allen’s a good one. He limits the hits and walks, features two solid pitches and has performed against top-notch competition. Sounds like a middle reliever.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 5:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Turtle's Take:

I like toolsy athletes and Matthews fits that perfectly. He has a good body, plenty of speed, a solid glove and can hit. Solid pick.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 5:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Turtle's Take:

Great value pick, here. Green profiles as a back-end starter or a middle reliever. He doesn’t overwhelm with his fastball, but knows how to pitch. How far that takes him, we’ll see. He should move quickly through the system.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 5:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

So his ceiling is a #3?

and his floor is middle relief?

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Jun 9, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd b thrilled of he's a No. 3.

I’m really thinking 4 or 5 or long man out of the pen. There is value in all of those things.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 2:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Turtle's Take:

Another good gamble on a guy with upside and a live arm. Some projected Pinckard as high as the third round. Was he difficult to hit or just wildly effective? We’ll see. Pro coaching and simply getting innings should help Pinckard.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 5:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

sorry for all the questions, but I'm just really curious about a lot of these guys

Is he going to be a reliever right out of the gate? If his stuff is that good, is there a chance they try to stretch him out?

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Jun 9, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love your questions!

Thanks for your interest. If I typed 8,000 words and didn’t get comments and questions I’d be disappointed.

I think reliever. He is relatively new to pitching, though, so they might start him at some point if his stuff plays up. Right now he’s a guy who can come in and throw it by jitters in shorter stints.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 2:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Turtle's Take:

This kid’s a high-reward guy. Fresh, live arm. TJ isn’t potentially the career ender it once was. No four-year college commitment. If he signs, he’ll be brought along slowly. Valiquette anyone?

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 5:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Turtle's Take:

Not enamored with this pick at No. 12. Maybe his game plays up over his tools. Scouts put a premium on guys who can run and 7.19 isn’t fast, particularly for a middle infielder.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 5:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Turtle's Take:

Another reliever. I’m all right with this one. He’s reasonably new to pitching and has shown flashes of being very good. He should K more than he does with his heat, but that could come as he learns to pitch. He’s a project, but as a senior needs to grasp things quickly.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 5:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Turtle's Take:

Gee, another reliever. Impressive strikeout and WHIP numbers, though, this season. Maybe concentrating strictly on pitching is what Kemp needed to blossom.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 5:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's a mountain of relievers

I was hoping for a value version of the Matthews pick somewhere in this stretch.

"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jun 9, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is.

The Reds might try some of them as starters, though. A lot of big league bullpen arms were starters in the minors.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 2:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Turtle's Take:

Surprisingly little information exists about this youngster. He’s solidly built and features a strong arm that pumps fastballs around 90 m.p.h. He’s athletic. C of C, with whom he signed, is a fine program.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 5:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Turtle's Take:

Costello’s not going to be an easy sign, but is worth making a run at him. He’s very projectable. With his fastball and a feel for a curve, Costello’s ahead of the game. I like his athleticism – he had two triples in a game this season – and his quick arm.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 5:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Turtle's Take:

Another athlete. I like it. He’s a good-looking kid with some real ability. He is a disadvantage playing in a cold-weather state, but has done everything he can to make himself a better player.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 5:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think he's near as fast as Snax

but a slap-hitting SS with a potentially better hit tool sounds nice to me

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Jun 9, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Turtle's Take:

Lanky kid who’ll probably opt to return and improve his draft position. Someone, or several someones, in the Reds front office probably knows his dad, who was a Royals scout.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 5:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

So with a name like that

he’ll get drafted by the Cardinals next year?

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by bbjones on Jun 9, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Turtle's Take:

A lot of people like this guy and so do I. He was drafted twice and was offered scholarships by some of the premier programs in the West. Joyce has a good arm, can start and is a lefty. He has little to prove at the NAIA level. It’s time for him to step into pro ball.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 5:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Turtle's Take:

He’s a big-bodied guy who has had some success. Nothing wrong with that. That he’s a hometown product doesn’t hurt, either. Jensen has posted at least decent numbers everywhere he’s pitched.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 5:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's been a too long since our Cincinnati-based team had a Cincinnati guy on it

Unless I missed something, Griffey was the last.

"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jun 9, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you're right.

Man, there have been some great ones.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 2:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

We've drafted a few in the past few years, but none have made the jump yet

Matt Klinker is the only one I can think of, and I thought we signed Joel Bender last year but I don’t remember seeing him pitch yet. And then there was Cam Satterwhite, the former UC guy that played with us for a while but was released at the beginning of this year.

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by BK on Jun 9, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't Cammy Cam destroy the ball while he was around?

that’s a shame he disappeared.

Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.

by Cy Schourek on Jun 9, 2011 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

For a while, yes

Then he cooled down and really, really sucked.

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by BK on Jun 9, 2011 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's playing for the Rockford RiverHawks now.

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by crolfer on Jun 10, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Turtle's Take:

The Reds selected this guy off what he did before this season. When healthy, he has a live arm and athleticism. He could be a very nice pickup in the 21st round, if he signs. Good roll of the dice.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 5:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Turtle's Take:

Fantastic pick! Absolutely fantastic! Six-foot-6, hard-throwing, projectable, athletic left-handers with the ability to spin a curve ball don’t come along every draft, let alone ion the 22nd round. The Reds did their homework, here. He’s not as polished as Robert Stephenson, but has potential to be a front end starter.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 5:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I really hope he signs (which it seems like he will)

and that he sticks with the Reds. This could be a HUGE steal

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Jun 9, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

How does the whole thing work with being a college student/basketball player and playing minor league baseball at the same time?

It should be interesting, at the very least.

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by sexsalad on Jun 9, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

plays summer league

which is usually done by September anyways. May miss the first couple weeks of classes. Basketball doesn’t start until October (?) anyways, officially.

It’s not a dumb move by Mr. Garrett. Making it in basketball is very, very, difficult. Only two rounds in the draft, 15 guys to a team and all. He’s smart to keep with baseball for as long as he can and see what happens.

Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.

by Cy Schourek on Jun 9, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right.

It is a little risky though, especially with the money he’s getting. Lucas O’Rear, the Reds 13th round pick last year, did that at Northern Iowa but hurt himself playing basketball and is missing this whole season.

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by BK on Jun 9, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or "Dat Ass"

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by crolfer on Jun 10, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Turtle's Take:

Another excellent pick of a player who dropped because of signability concerns. He sounds as if he’s at least open to signing with the Reds. I’m happy to see the Reds make a run at guys such as this rather than just draft organizational soldiers to fill rosters.

We Are ... Marshall!

by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 5:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Turtle's Take:

Sounds like a clout or an out guy as a pro. Maybe the Reds will try him at catcher, where his bat wouldn’t have to play up as much as at first base.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 5:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Production Decline Explanation

You mention O’Shea’s decline in production, yet fail to mention that Minnesota played just 49 games this year (and O’Shea played 44), which is down from the Gophers’ average of about 60 games played. The collapse of the Metrodome roof had a major effect on Minnesota’s season, as the Gophers had been scheduled to play 31 games there this year. The other obvious reason for the slight drop in production is due to the new bat standards in NCAA baseball. To give you a number to digest, Minnesota hit 89 home runs at the height of the live bats (the -5s) in 1998, and this year the Gophers hit 16 (O’Shea with seven of those). He’s a great kid with a sharp mind (I think he was a 3.8 student in mechanical engineering), and he’ll be good for any clubhouse as he tries to make his way up.

by Sid Apollo on Jun 15, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the input!

Sounds like you know a lot about him, do you know him by any chance?

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by crolfer on Jun 15, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Turtle's Take:

OK, I think we have a kid for whom we can root. The kid sounds like a legitimate pitcher, too. I love his determination, ground ball abilities and that he’s improving.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 5:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Turtle''s Take:

College of the Canyons has produced five big leaguers, including Bob Walk and Dana Eveland. Perez probably is more of a longshot, but he has some size, speed and has hit at the small college level. Even if he’s organizational roster filler, you have to have nine to play.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 5:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Turtle's Take:

All right, another kid with a story of survival we can get behind. Wrenn was a highly rated prospect coming out of high school and junior college. A wiry kid, he lost 17 pounds during his ordeal and that took a toll. If he regains his strength, the Reds could have a talented youngster.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 5:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Turtle's Take:

Maybe he’s one of Aroldis Chapman’s buddies? There’s not much out there on Perez. At 27, he’s old enough for, well, a major league roster. He’s not going to start his pro career in Cincinnati. A scout saw or heard something. I’m eager to find out what it is, but don’t hold much hope that Perez will be an impact player.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 5:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Turtle's Take:

Delgado performed well against older competition and sounds as if he features an exciting collection of pitches. The Reds South Florida scouts appear to have dug for this kid. If he is as talented as he sounds, those scouts are earning their money. I like the creativity the Reds have used in this draft.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 5:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Turtle's Take:

Terry is a very talented player who profiles as a second baseman as a pro. The 30th round probably wasn’t what he envisioned and he could be a tough sign. Hamate injuries, though, often take a year from which to fully recover, so even if he returns to Fullerton he might not boost his stock much.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 5:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Turtle's Take:

Miller probably can improve his draft position by returning to the Horned Frogs next season. His numbers aren’t as dominant as one might expect from someone with his stuff. If he signs and is used strictly in one role – likely in the bullpen – maybe he thrives.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 5:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Turtle's Take:

Dennhardt has been much better on the Cape than at BC. Buying him away from the Eagles won’t be inexpensive. He might well opt to return next April or May and try to better his position.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 5:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

YEAH BC

Brian B and I are rooting extra hard for this guy

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Jun 9, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good program.

I was talking with a former BC kid - Pat Moran- a couple of weeks ago after a chapel at the ballpark. Very nice kid.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 3:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah, I was friends with Terry Doyle when I was there

who may or may not still be in the White Sox (?) system, and he was a great guy. Tony Sanchez, however, the Pirates first-round pick two years ago, is a total jackass.

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Jun 9, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kevin Moran

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 9:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Turtle's Take:

Selsky probably can move up the draft board with a strong senior season, but he’ll be 22 in July and might want to consider getting his pro career started. This was a lost season for him, but he’s a talented youngster with some power and bloodlines. He’ll need to reduce his strikeouts to have a chance.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 5:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Turtle's Take:

Smith’s DUI arrest doesn’t bode well and it set him back this season. His late-season surge is a small sample size, but promising. Smith has some power and is a strong fielder. He could be a sleeper source of power.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 5:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Turtle's Take:

The kid probably goes to Stetson, but has some potential. He’s athletic, strong-armed and can hit, although the lack of power is a concern. Kimmel’s a project who could take a while to develop if he stays behind the plate.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 5:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Turtle's Take:

The Reds likely got a few good looks at Yard while scouting Kolten Wong. His numbers are impressive and he made three late-season starts, so maybe the Reds see him in that role. If not, he appears to be at least a serviceable reliever

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 5:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Turtle's Take:

The knee injury really slowed Suiter, who is an interesting prospect. He’s athletic, can run and projects to hit for average. He’d be a nice sign, but will cost more than slot. How much he’ll cost will determine whether he signs.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 5:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Turtle's Take:

A Coastal Carolina OF who drops to the Reds. Dave Sappelt, anyone? Bowman has more power than Sappelt, but isn’t nearly the hitter the current Reds farmhand is. Bowman could benefit from taking more walks, but his power is legitimate and so is his glove.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 5:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

why did this guy fall so far?

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Jun 9, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's exactlywhat folks asked about Sappelt.

Bowman swings and misses quite a bit. Scouts like his power, but aren’t sure he’ll hit enough. Good gamble at this spot. The hardest things to find are quality starting pitchers and legitimate power hitters. I’d always try to find a couple of guys such a’s Bowman in a draft.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 3:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Turtle's Take:

Amlung’s favorite player is Barry Larkin. A call from the future Hall of Famer could go a long way in helping convince Amlung to sign. I’m not sure he will. He can better his draft position next season, but by how much? He has a chance to sign with his favorite team. Unless Amlung thinks he can go in the top 10 rounds next year, why not sign?

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 5:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Turtle's Take:

Travis is from the same home town that produced Cingrani. Travis won’t be cheap and his coach appears to think the slugging third baseman will head to college. I’ll be surprised if the Reds land him, but he has the bat to make them consider a serious offer.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 5:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Turtle's Take:

Highly unlikely to sign, Baranick’s a fine prospect. The effort in his delivery and the flaws that come with it likely will prevent the Reds from offering big money. Baranick’s an injury risk who could benefit from going to LSU.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 6:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Turtle's Take:

This is a guy who can have value if he can hit .230 as a big league backup. Stallings is strong behind the plate and his arm might be the best in the country. If he returns to college and gets his batting average up or increases his power, however, he could go in the top five rounds next season.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 6:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Turtle's Take:

Washington isn’t a blazer for a little guy. He is athletic. Washington is likely to head to college or junior college and take his chances in a year or two.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 6:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Turtle's Take:

Another two-sport athlete who can have his bonus spread over five years, Carson is a terrific athlete. He’ll be difficult to sign unless he’s overwhelmed by an offer. Expect to see him running for Steve Spurrier this fall.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 6:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Turtle's Take:

Radke won’t be an easy sign. A tall lefty with room to fill out, he’s different than most pitchers the Reds selected. He’s not a flamethrower, but makes pitching a craft. Radke offers plenty of projection. I’d like to see him sign.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 9:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Any relation to Brad?

That’d be swell.

Calmer than you are.

by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Jun 9, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

that was my thought

seems to pitch like Brad, too.

Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.

by Cy Schourek on Jun 9, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I immediately thought that, but

I haven’t found a connection to him. I think Brad still lives in Minnesota and this kid is from Southern California.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 3:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Turtle's Take:

Brizuela will be difficult to sign away from the Seminoles. He’s a package of enticing tools with a strong bat. In three years, he could be a premium pick if his power develops.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 6:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Turtle's Take:

: I’d hate to see the Reds take a recruit away from Marshall. After having eight players drafted, the Thundering Herd can use some replacements. If Pellant goes to the Reds, though, I’d be OK with that. He’d benefit from a college weight program and could improve his stock against Conference USA competition. Pellant is a member of Fellowship of Christian Athletes, so I get him if he winds up in Huntington.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 6:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Turtle's Take:

: Webb almost certainly will return to the Gamecocks. He has two seasons to improve his control and his draft stock. He’s an impressive lefty, though, who would be a fine addition to the Reds organization.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 6:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Turtle's Take:

A fifth-year senior, Alessio should be an easy sign. His improvement this season was encouraging.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 6:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Turtle's Take:

Good arm. He’s very unlikely to sign.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 6:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Second'd

This is a more thorough draft report than you’ll likely find on any other website on the entire interwebs. A thousand kudos.

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by nycredsfan on Jun 9, 2011 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

fourth'd!

Friggin awesome! So much great info.

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by UncleWeez on Jun 9, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good lord

GREAT job, TT. Out of curiosity how many throttling violation/spamming messages did you get while doing this? :)

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by jch24 on Jun 9, 2011 9:04 AM EDT reply actions  

All kinds of computer craziness took place.

I couldn’t let it get in the way of providing my friends a report on each player. You folks deserve the best!

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 9:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

what is a throttle violation?

tried typing it into google about a week ago but didn’t get a good answer.

by pack_fan on Jun 10, 2011 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you post a bunch of comments in a row the system flags it as a possible DDOS (distributed denial of service) attack

The throttling policy says that you can only post x comments in y timeframe. If you exceed that it’ll tell you to cool your jets. If you post over five links in a comment it automatically flags the comment as spam. I have five spam flags received, all but one for stuff like this. The other was obc being a douche.

And before you ask, you haven’t received any flags of any kind. :)

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by jch24 on Jun 10, 2011 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I came here looking for Turtle's Take on Travis Radke and was so disappointed :(

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by jch24 on Jun 9, 2011 9:05 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Ah, and now you have it!

Sorry I skipped that. The process got hairy there for a while!

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 9:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Just giving you a hard time buddy, this is amazing work

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by jch24 on Jun 9, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome job.

I read every single one. Amazing.

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by crolfer on Jun 9, 2011 10:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Well done

thanks for all the time and effort!

by RedHopeful on Jun 9, 2011 11:14 AM EDT reply actions  

Rec'd

I don’t think this could have been done any better.

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by BiggerRedMachines on Jun 9, 2011 11:16 AM EDT reply actions  

Fantasticabulant

Only word for it.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jun 9, 2011 1:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Great Job TT

Nicely detailed

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by Kidd2Petrovic on Jun 9, 2011 3:32 PM EDT reply actions  

My God, this is unreal.

I’m just glad you picked RR as your main blog; that’s the only way I found it. I just have no clue where you find all this stuff. I’m pretty much in awe.

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by sexsalad on Jun 9, 2011 4:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Baseball America likes the Reds draft,

Calling it “solid.” They loved the Stephenson pick. Garrett, Rosa, Wright and Buckley were praised selections, too. They liked the Reds “portfolio” approach, spreading around hitters and pitchers, preorders and collegians, high upside guys and safe picks. BA Aldo likes all the hard-throwing guys the Reds drafted.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 4:45 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

"prepsters" and "also"

I hate typing on my phone.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 4:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Doesn't it seem like there's a higher proportion of guys who are unlikely to sign than in years past?

It seems like there’s a solid base of signable guys here, and that we’ll probably luck out and lure a few of the others away, but can we realistically expect around 35 (total guess) signs like we had last year?

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by BK on Jun 9, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I figure they'll sign somewhere around 25.

Some of the HS kids they can play against one another in negotiations. Kind if a “the first one who agrees to sign gets $200,000. The other guy goes to college.”

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 9:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah, it seems like the Reds need fewer "organizational soldiers" than in years past

Think about all of the good young talent that hasn’t even debuted yet. This is a crowded system.

I think it’s brilliant to aim high and go after guys you really want, not guys who you know will never make it past AA. If they can get 25 guys but 15 are legit prospects, that’s fantastic.

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by nycredsfan on Jun 10, 2011 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

The more I hear about him the more I like the Stephenson pick.

At the risk of asking a dumb question sounding like an idiot (I have zero knowledge of this stuff,) what do you think his ceiling is? Is he a potential ace type or would you project him as more likely to end up in the middle of a big league rotation?

I know it will be a while before he’s here and he obviously doesn’t solve any pitching situation for 2012, but it would be nice to know we have a guy with ace upside in the farm.

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by sexsalad on Jun 9, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely ace upside.

He has potential to be a 1 or a 2. BA thinks so, too. A lot can go wrong between now and 2015, but the kid really has great potential.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 9:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Echoing TT

He already has a very good fastball, and scouts think his curve ball and changeup have the potential to be plus pitches as well. Any pitcher who throws mid-90s with 2 above average secondary pitches can be an ace.

The other determination is command and control, which he seems to be OK with right now.

The problem with a HS pitcher is that he has almost no performance against good competition. You have no idea if he’ll be able to get advanced hitters out, or if he’ll keep his command as the strike zone shrinks in the upper minors. Then there’s the injury risk. A lot can go wrong there.

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by nycredsfan on Jun 10, 2011 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Am I wrong in seeing him as a Homer Bailey-type?

As I recall, when Homer was drafted his curve was better than Stephenson’s, but the lanky projectableness and the great fastball remind me of Homer. Hopefully Stephenson moves quickly like Homer does, but adjusts better to advanced hitters.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 10, 2011 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's probably a good comp

I didn’t follow the Reds nearly as closely when Bailey was drafted, so I can’t remember what else Bailey threw at the time.

Seems like Stephenson’s attitude is way better than Homer’s was too, so that should help him.

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by nycredsfan on Jun 10, 2011 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

That comp in the ballpark.

Homer was more highly regarded, but they’re similar in their stuff.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 10, 2011 11:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Homer was a lot higher pick too.

Shows how deep this draft was that Stephenson has similar stuff and is considered a fair pick at 27 when Homer went 7th overall.

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by nycredsfan on Jun 10, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great work, Turtle. Best I've seen.

It seems like there’s a lot of college transferring going on. This is something that tends to raise red flags in other sports. Is there a reason that there’s so much of it?

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by poojols on Jun 9, 2011 5:57 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

The rules are different in college baseball.

You don’t necessarily have to transfer down a level to be immediately eligible. You can’t transfer within the same conference and be eligible right away. If a school grants a release, you’re pretty much free to go anywhere that will take you.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 10:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Bookmarked for future reference. Once again, great job, TT.

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by BK on Jun 9, 2011 6:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks for all the kind comments.

I enjoy doing this stuff, but that you folks enjoy it makes it so much more fun for me. I appreciate you.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 9, 2011 9:56 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

John Sickels of minorleagurball.com:

Stephenson is the headliner here and could make or break the draft by himself. The rest of the class seems focused on affordable players with a mixture of upside (the junior college guys) and polish (Wright, Green). It would be a real coup if they can sign Covington and/or Garrett.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 13, 2011 9:09 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Ben Badler at BA writes

he expects the Reds to be active internationally this July than last, although he doesn’t link Cincinnati to specific players. The 2011 international class is more highly regarded than 2010. Baskets expects the Red Sox, Royals, Pirates, Rangers and Blue Jays to be active as well.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 13, 2011 3:15 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

BA's assessment of the Reds draft:

Cincinnati Reds: Robert Stephenson is the first high school pitched the Reds have picked in the first round since Homer Bailey in 2004. He’s the highest-ceiling player in a solid draft class, as after him, the Reds took a portfolio approach, mixing upside (second-round Puerto Rican outfielder Gabriel Rosa, 22nd-round wild card Amir Garrett) with safe picks such as Louisville infielder Ryan Wright (fifth round) and a slew of hard-throwing college arms. They also selected power-hitting corner bat Sean Buckley, son of scouting director Chris, in the sixth round.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 14, 2011 10:11 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

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