Farmers Only: Chaptastrophe?
by BK on Jun 8, 2011 8:00 AM EDT
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Print- Louisville beat Syracuse 9-2. The recently cup-of-coffee'd Tom Cochran pitched well, giving up 1 run on 4 hits in 6 innings of work. Zack Cozart led the offense with a 3-for-5 evening with a triple and 3 RBI, and Daniel Dorn hit a 3-run shot, his 9th of the year. 6 of the Bats starters had multi-hit games, and all of them had at least one hit, as the Bats collected 17 hits overall. Up next: Brandon Hynick takes the mound as the Bats take on Syracuse at 7.
- Carolina lost a tough one 7-4 against Chattanooga. James Avery got the start and gave up 4 runs in 5 innings, but he wasn't the story on this evening. Aroldis Chapman entered a tie game in the 8th on his rehab assignment, and gave up 3 runs on 3 hits and a walk. He threw 24 pitches and only 12 of them were strikes. Uh oh. Also, Mike Costanzo definitely reads RR, because he was 4-for-4 last night. Neftali Soto added his 4th homer of the year. Up next: Tim Gustafson gets the start in an early game, a 11:15 AM start.
- Bakersfield beat Rancho Cucamonga 3-2. Lance Janke gave up 2 runs in 5 innings of work, but the credit goes to the bullpen for saving this one. Tzu-Kai Chiu, Andrew Bowman, and Scott Gaffney combined for 4 no-hit innings of relief to keep the Quakes at bay. Brodie Greene was 2-for-4 with his 10th SB of the year. Up next: Blaze are off today.
- Dayton lost a pitcher's duel in Clinton 1-0. Daniel Renken pitched well, giving up 1 run 7 innings with 7 strikeouts. The Dragons offense only mustered up 4 hits on the night. Meh. Up next: Josh Smith tries to right the ship at 8:00.
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Here's the thing I think about Chapman
At this point, even if he has a few good rehab outings in a row, does anyone really trust him in the 8th inning of a Reds game? This seems like a deeper problem, and 2011 is increasingly seeming like a lost year regardless.
Why not just put him in Louisville’s rotation for the rest of the year? I understand there seem to be adjustment/cultural issues and he might be better off with the Reds players, but I don’t see him helping the team much this year.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
Why not just put him in Louisville’s rotation for the rest of the year?
That drum’s been beat to death already.
by Brian B on Jun 8, 2011 8:28 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Definitely a good argument.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
by nycredsfan on Jun 8, 2011 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
at the least, its something to watch going forward.
No problem, fuckweasel! - jch24
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jun 8, 2011 9:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I think I'd rather keep my eye on it.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
by nycredsfan on Jun 8, 2011 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
They don't think like that
Chapman started the season as a reliever and by god he will finish as one too.
I'm going to start my own Reds blog with blackjack and hookers, in fact forget the blog.
by justin007000 on Jun 8, 2011 9:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Woah woah!!!
Don’t you break character. Thought that SN was retired!
We need Brandon Larson to Play 3rd! Can't be worse than Rentawreck, right?!?
by BiggerRedMachines on Jun 8, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
eeeeek
I’ve seen a ghost!
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
This is a new dead horse to beat.
It’s already mid-June and Chapman doesn’t look anywhere near being ready to offer the team anything.
Rather than posting a snarky picture, why doesn’t someone answer my question? Who feels confident in Chapman rejoining the team any time soon and doing anything other than mop up duty?
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
We're about a week away from it being mid-June
I say let him keep pitching in relief in the minors to try and get his control issues hammered out. With the number of innings pitched by our bullpen already, we’re going to need all the help we can get later on.
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
I agree that the pen is going to need help. I'd rather that help come via a trade.
It’s just to the point where I don’t know that he’s going to be able to be a reliable member of the ’pen for any length of time.
Now obviously, the org/Bryan Price/etc. know 100x more about the situation than we do, and it’s very possible that having him in a rotation wouldn’t solve anything. But it seems to me that they should maybe at least try it, because whatever they are doing isn’t working.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
The bullpen is fine
when the Reds add Sam LeCure back to the ’pen, and maybe make Wood the long man when Bailey comes back, or maybe they could put Bailey in the ’pen.
I don't argue I correct.
I agree...option him to Lousiville let him play out a couple months relieving
or starting for that matter….we will need him when the time comes later in the year. We have got to get him right. Jared Burton….assuming he can come back in July with no set backs could be huge too to get healthy for the stretch run. Maybe thats wishful thinking but a healthy and strike throwing chapman and burton would make out bullpen stellar. They would replace fisher and Horst. Whats everyone think?
We need Brandon Larson to Play 3rd! Can't be worse than Rentawreck, right?!?
by BiggerRedMachines on Jun 8, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
louisville*
We need Brandon Larson to Play 3rd! Can't be worse than Rentawreck, right?!?
by BiggerRedMachines on Jun 8, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Nope, I am not
Not sure what the deal with Chapman is at this point. My guess is that it’s something mechanical and when it got out of whack is when he was hurting. Then he started compensating against the pain, throwing his mechanics even further out of whack. Now he’s a hot ass mess. I don’t have an answer on how to fix it either, but I sure hope someone in org figures it out.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
a hot ass-mess?
/btcoop’d
No problem, fuckweasel! - jch24
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jun 8, 2011 10:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
I hear his other poo story is much better
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Jun 8, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I doubt its one thing mechanically
I dont think he really knows what all his mechanics are yet. Kids who are tall and lanky like him take time usually to get all that together.
You're not wrong, 'creds
but you know exactly why no one is answering your question.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 8, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I do know why. Because no one reads Farmers Only!
Actually, I don’t care if we talk about it. I just think that we’ve stopped thinking of him as a necessary cog in the ‘pen, he doesn’t look anywhere near being a useful reliever, and it could be a long time before he does.
Might as well try something different.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
by nycredsfan on Jun 8, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I can buy the argument either way
If he works in the minors as a reliever, he’ll get to pitch every few days and have more opportunities to make changes. That could be beneficial, and if he cleans it up, he could be back with the Reds down the line and start slicin’ up eyeballs.
On the other hand, if you put him in the rotation, you basically write off the rest of the season and take a long term view on his development. I’m cool either way.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 8, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I'm actually ok with him staying in the minors as a reliever too. (not AS ok, but ok)
But this phantom-DL rehab assignment/recall/back on rehab business doesn’t seem productive.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
Bray's doing a damned good job as the lefty in the pen
Horst hasn’t shat himself yet, and getting a 2nd lefty is never too tricky. Not having Chapman there isn’t giving up on the season.
Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.
If his mechanics are in some disarray
do we even want him starting? I’m not sure starting is the best way to get him to figure out his mechanics. I would have had him in the rotation before the season, but doing it now seems like we’re just tugging the kid around. As much as I want him as a starter, I’m not sure a move to the rotation is the best move right now.
I totally agree, and another thing...
If his problems are more mental than mechanical (as Baker sort of suggested earlier in the week), then that seems to suggest he doesn’t really have the makeup to handle the closer role.
His control was erratic as a starter last year. It was very good as a reliever. There are two ways of looking at this. One possibility is that he benefitted from the regular work of being a reliever (as we all presumed last season), and could do so again this season. Another possibility is that he tasted success as a reliever, gained confidence as a result, and really never was knocked around enough to have that confidence shaken. From that point of view, this season’s meltdown could be viewed as an indication that he doesn’t have what it takes psychologically to put a previous night’s bad game behind him and avoid a downward spiral that can easily occur in bullpen duty.
or hitters changed their approach against him in the latter innings
and have made adjustments. I don’t know if their are any statistics to say if his control improved or if hitters were less patient.
I don't argue I correct.
Also, holy crap Zack Cozart.
Current line: .315/.353/.500 Yes, .500 SLG from a short stop.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
I don't see how he isn't at least worth a try
DL the crap outta Edgar
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
Is Dusty being mysterious...
or are they really not having conversations about giving guys in aaa a shot? It is time to DL renteria. Is Rolen playing soon or is he better off with another week or so off back on DL?
"If I ever find a pitcher who has heat, a good curve, and a slider, I might seriously consider marrying him, or at least proposing." - Sparky Anderson
by bphil2b on Jun 8, 2011 8:25 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
don't know if mysterious is the word anymore.
It’s clear he’s never going to say they need AAA help until Walt has already made the move. He knows it’s not his job to say what he thinks Walt should do to the media, and he will always support his major leaguers.
They are not going to make a LF or SS move this season unless it’s during a DL stint, and then it will only be for a reserve role.
by Brian B on Jun 8, 2011 8:34 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't think Dusty wants AAA help
He seems to be very loyal to his players, which is I guess why they love him. Heck, I think he truly does believe in them.
If he wanted help, he could get it from guys he currently has. He could put Heisey in LF. He’s not doing that. He has faith in Gomes, and is sticking with him.
I thought Dusty had seen the light about Gomes and was going to platoon him, but no, turns out it was just a week off to clear his head and think about things. He’s back as the starting LFer.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Let's just hope Gomes comes out of it a bit.
I really wish they’d use this time to give Heisey an extended time in LF. He can’t really hit worse than Gomes, provides plus defense, and it might give some help trying to decided about next year.
agreed
Given the pitching problems, improved defense alone might be worth it – even in left field.
And some scouts were really high on Heisey before he was called up. Thought he could be a starter.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
If he doesn't work out then keep him in his current LIDR and pinch hitter role
where he seems to excel.
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No problem, fuckweasel! - jch24
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jun 8, 2011 8:49 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
no, not that, stupid mobile!
Any updates on Yonder? He ok? Did he play last night?
No problem, fuckweasel! - jch24
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jun 8, 2011 8:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
he was fine
Made a nice grab in center left, even.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
center left?
Are you Canadian? Or maybe just a little eastsouth from there?
When you come to the fork in the road, take it.
by poojols on Jun 8, 2011 10:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
isn't that how they do it?
Left center if it’s more left, center left if it’s more center?
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I've not seen it that way
Doesn’t mean it’s not accepted. Actually, it makes sense.
When you come to the fork in the road, take it.
by poojols on Jun 8, 2011 10:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
well, anyway
He was more in center than left.
Stubbs woulda gotten it if it was GABP.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
sometimes it shifts slightly to yhe right.
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.
by DocRam on Jun 8, 2011 11:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
sometimes it shifts slightly to the right.
Dick-joke!
*high-5!
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.
by DocRam on Jun 8, 2011 11:28 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
the ballpark is right next to the train tracks
I mean right next to them. Several trains pass by during every game, practically close enough to touch.
I would guess that originally, they were Chiefs as in Indians, but that became politically incorrect, so they went with the train motif instead.
Their throwback uniforms (worn on Throwback Thursdays) have an Indian chief on them – like the Redskins logo, only with a full eagle feather headdress. They don’t use that logo any more otherwise.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
early game today
Drew Stubbs 8
Brandon Phillips 4
Joey Votto 3
Jay Bruce 9
Miguel Cairo 5
Fred Lewis 7
Ryan Hanigan 2
Paul Janish 6
Bronson Arroyo 1
vs. RHP Ryan Dempster
I guess Rolen is still sick.
But hey, it’s Lewis instead of Gomes.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Still pissed it's not Heisey!
We need Brandon Larson to Play 3rd! Can't be worse than Rentawreck, right?!?
by BiggerRedMachines on Jun 8, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I haven't beaten the Heisey drum as much as others, but I agree it's very odd he hasn't played much.
The only thing I can think of is that he has been very effective as the late PH/LIDR guy. Almost every game he seems to PH in the 6th-8th inning and then stay in as part of a double switch. I wonder if that’s what Dusty sees his role as going forward.
If there were a better option to start in LF (coughFrazier/Alonsocough) I actually think this is an excellent usage of Heisey.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
I would have to agree.
He seems to excel at this. But until we actually get a Left Fielder he should be getting the starting nod. I’m dying for some Roster moves here.
We need Brandon Larson to Play 3rd! Can't be worse than Rentawreck, right?!?
by BiggerRedMachines on Jun 8, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I seem to remember something mentioning his splits
And it showed that Heisey as a starter was well below Heisey as a PH/LIDR. I don’t know if it was SSS or what but maybe there is something to be said for Heisey just being a PH/LIDR type-player
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
Yes I think that has a little to do with it.
In my opinion he could turn out like Cairo would if he were the full time starter at 3rd. Him playing once in a while and pinch hitting is when he is at his best. But if he were out there every day, we would see a substantial drop in his production. I’m afraid of the for Heisey but I still feel like even if production drops, he’s the best option we have with the big club.
We need Brandon Larson to Play 3rd! Can't be worse than Rentawreck, right?!?
by BiggerRedMachines on Jun 8, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Hard to knock Cairo after last night's heroics.
But the 3B situation worries me. Rolen seems more like 46 than 36 this year. Cairo has done really well in his limited action, but he’s not going to OPS .750 as a starter.
Then there’s Old and Busted Renteria.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
Renteria hasn't played in a week
Remind me why Cozart’s still in Louisville?
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Jun 8, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Because apparently hitting in AAA is not at all predictive of hitting in the bigs.
Also, the DL is for chumps.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
Working from home!
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Jun 8, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Very convenient on the day of a 12:35 game, eh?
Well done!
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
And END...why not bring him up?
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
But he's tearing it up in the Minors
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
Which is totally predictive of major league success
/ducks
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
He always has. I won't repeat my BB/K ratio theory. I'm sure everyone is tired of hearing it.
Even still, his OPS is below Frazier, Meso, Alonso, Cozart, Dorn, and Hermida on the team right now. I’d say there are better options.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
I certainly wouldn't mind seeing someone like Frazier up
But I just figured END would be first in line to be brought up
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
I wonder if END has ruined it for the others.
Maybe now Dusty won’t shut up about how END hit well in AAA but did almost nothing in the majors, so to keep from hearing about that Walt isn’t bringing anybody else up.
Still not a candidate.
I can't remember who said it (or where) but someone made the point that
Dusty just says stuff until Walt makes a move. It’s entirely possible they are close to calling someone up, but Dusty isn’t going to tip their hand, or come across as not supporting the guys currently on the roster.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
looks like it's gonna be a scorcher
Teh Fay says the Reds are allowing fans to bring in open bottles of water because of the heat, and are also giving away cups of water and ice.
Jamie Ramsey says Homer will rehab with Louisville, and will start against Syracuse Saturday. Except their last game in Syracuse is Friday. They’ll be in Lehigh Valley taking on the IronPigs Saturday.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
oops, that's Mark, not Jamie
I’m going to ask him about it.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
open bottles of "water" you say?
/Heads to liquor store
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
and it's Saturday in Lehigh Valley
However, Homer will join the team in Syracuse earlier.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
yeah, wow open bottles of water
they still won’t let tax payers walk across the field for a quick an easy exit even though anybody who has purchased anything in Hamilton County pays for that play pen.
Assholes.
I don't argue I correct.
35 comments here
26 in last night’s recap. This is a very forward-looking crowd this morning. Don’t look back!
I believe Boxy could help the ’pen now.
When you come to the fork in the road, take it.
by poojols on Jun 8, 2011 10:37 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Also, 'Nukkah was a little drunk, tired, and talking hip hop with boobs
So the recap didn’t get done til like 1:30.
by Brendanukkah on Jun 8, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Deux a cero!
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Jun 8, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
that's early for your recaps!
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