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2011 MLB Draft Thread: Day 2

   Welcome back to the Draft, everyone. Last night was fun. I'm enthused about the Robert Stephenson pick and am looking forward to today's portion of the Draft -- rounds 2 through 30.

   I'll post information and comments on all of the Reds picks. I won't post something on every team's pick as I did for the first round and the supplemental round. I will, however, make comments on selected players as they come off the board.

   The picks come rapid fire, so please excuse any typos and the somewhat haphazard method I'll use when posting comments. On Thursday, we'll wrap it up into a cleaner, more in-depth post.

   The Draft begins at noon. Let's start today, however, with a look at what some are saying about the Reds' selection of Stephenson, the big righty from Alhambra HS in Martinez, Calif.

Star-divide

From Baseball Nation:

When scouts see an 18-year-old pitcher who stands 6-2 and can reach 98 miles an hour with his fastball but weighs only 180 pounds, the word "projectability" almost always comes to mind. If he can throw 98 now, what happens in three or four years when he's 6-3 and 220? Well, he's probably recovering from Tommy John surgery. But you makes your picks and you takes your chances, and you hope you're getting Dr. Jekyll rather than Mr. Hyde. Health-wise, anyway.

Stephenson, who like Joe Ross hails from the East Bay area, throws a devastating curveball and is considered highly intelligent, with a good chance of taking his big arm and his 4.12 GPA to the University of Washington. However, it is unlikely that the Reds would use a first round pick on him without a good read on his signability. In some drafts, he could have been a top ten pick.

 

From Reds Scouting Director Chris Buckley:

"He's an outstanding high school projection pitcher with a very loose, live arm," Reds senior director of amateur scouting Chris Buckley said. "We saw him as high as 98 [mph] this year. He's going to fill out, get stronger.

"I was out there about two weeks ago and he lost a no-hitter around the sixth inning," Buckley said. "I saw him pitch three times this year. To get him in the first round, we obviously liked him a lot. He's got very good upside, good projection to his frame. He throws hard now. He should throw a little harder as most high school kids do as they get bigger and stronger.

"He might have an arm similar to Homer's, but not as polished," Buckley said. "Homer went way up at the top of the first round, and Robert is down towards the bottom."

From Baseball America:

"Stephenson has a long and loose 6-foot-2 frame, and he's not done growing yet so scouts see projection as he matures. He had a busy summer on the showcase circuit and then started off his senior season by throwing back-to-back no-hitters. His fastball sat in the the 90-92 mph range last summer, and he took things up a notch this spring, sitting 93-95 and touching 97. Stephenson has a smooth, athletic delivery and produces good hand speed. This has helped his curveball improve along with his fastball, and he's now throwing the pitch in the 78-80 mph range and commanding it well. He also mixes in an occasional changeup. Stephenson is just as gifted in the classroom as he is on the pitcher's mound, and he's Washington's biggest recruit in a long time. He has been working with Huskies assistant coach Jordon Twohig since he was 13, but the program's recent struggles and Stephenson's status as a possible first rounder make it unlikely he winds up on campus."

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From Shawn McHugh, a coach who has seen Stephenson pitch:

"As much as I would not want to face Robert Stephenson, I love watching him play the game," said Shawn McHugh, head coach of rival Dublin High. "If you take away his gifts, he would still be a player I would love to watch. He plays with passion and heart and is capable of putting the game on his back and taking it over. That’s not an easy task in high school."

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 10:20 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm still very enthused about the Stephenson pick. If he had been taken in the top 10, maybe not,

but I think the bottom 1/3 of the 1st round is when you take a guy like that.

I also love that he’ll likely get bigger. Even if he doesn’t add velocity, the added size should guarantee he keeps his current velocity over a pro season.

The intelligence is an added bonus. Seems like his makeup and intangibles are Leake-esque. This should be a fun guy to follow over the next few years.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Jun 7, 2011 10:22 AM EDT reply actions  

I'll set him up an RR login, that should do it :)

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jun 7, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

You forgot overzealous and under the influence

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jun 7, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't make me whip out my pic again

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jun 7, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just had lunch

I ordered chicken. The lady asked me if i wanted leg or breast. I asked if I could see the breast.

She may have hit the silent alarm buttton.

by Brian B on Jun 7, 2011 2:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

I live for moments like that, well done sir

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jun 7, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that seems to be the norm nowadays.

Don’t some guys even go to school at least part time in the offseasons too?

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Jun 7, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I think some do.

You can run into problems with the semester starting before the season is over. Schools aren’t always flexible, although a few weeks can usually be excused…
-j

by JinAZ on Jun 7, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Before it became apparent that Mark Prior would be seriously side tracked by injuries

he got his B.A. in the off season and threw internet classes.

Now he raises pumpkins…

I don't argue I correct.

by Yossarian22 on Jun 7, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Franklin University offers a variety of matriculating options

to fit your busy work-a-day schedule. All classes are offered online as well, so you can go to college in your PJs!

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 8, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

i am thinking about applying for some online universities

i have a buddy who was hired by Phoenix and hated it so much he quit.

I guess the question is, is the pay worth the time and effort you put in?

I don't argue I correct.

by Yossarian22 on Jun 8, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

It’s only a few hours of work a week, and now that I’ve taught my classes a dozen times apiece I can pretty much just cruise on autopilot. If you have no problems being an academic mercenary then it’s an easy way to make a few bucks.

I’ve actually seriously contemplated trying to adjunct at a bunch of different online schools to cobble together a career. But it’s not quite worth risking my decent benefits package right yet.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 8, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

unless he is getting an M.A.

he will be intellectually stunted regardless, so he should just play baseball and leave the thinking up to people like me.

I don't argue I correct.

by Yossarian22 on Jun 7, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's a scary proposition, no?

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jun 7, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only a recent MA recipient would say that.

As someone who has dedicated his life to higher education, I assure you that one is intellectually stunted no matter how many degrees they have. Only Joey Votto and Jay Bruce seem to be unstunted, I am always impressed by their quotes and they came straight from high school.

by Cuetotally Amazing on Jun 7, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

The most valuable lesson I learned in graduate school:

Lots of morons make it through graduate school.

Or even if I just like such as judged a fish contest that would get me outta the house and in some air.

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Jun 7, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

most valuable lesson in life

lots of morons do everything…

I don't argue I correct.

by Yossarian22 on Jun 7, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

graduate school = college in general, but I'm with ya

I’ve met more smart people with little to no higher learning than with degrees.

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jun 7, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trivia:

The last high school pitcher to be drafted in the first round out of the East Bay Area was Chris Gruler, by the Cincinnati Reds in 2002. Yesterday, the East Bay Area had two high school hurlers — Stephenson and Joe Ross — selected in the first round.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 10:27 AM EDT reply actions  

So, Turtle

Who might we be seeing the Reds take today? Any ideas? Or thoughts on who you’d like to see them take?

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Jun 7, 2011 10:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Hard to tell. I expect a mix of solid college players and

high-upside high school guys. Pitching depth is great, so I figure an infusion of arms is coming.

Here are the players left from Baseball America’s Top 50:

No. 15. Josh Bell, of

No. 16. Daniel Norris, lhp

No. 28. Austin Hedges, c

No. 30 Andrew Susac, c

No. 31 Dillon Howard, rhp

No. 32 Matt Purke, lhp

No. 39 Jorge Lopez, rhp

No. 41 Josh Osich, lhp

No. 42 Alex Dickerson, of

No. 46 Dillon Maples, rhp

No. 50 Tony Zych, rhp

I really like Bell and Norris, but both are extremely expensive. Bell might require $6 million and Norris reportedly is asking for $4 million.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think it is very telling that both Bell and Norris went unpicked the whole day yesterday.

I’d avoid them. i’m intrigued by some of the other guys on the list, though. I hope they use their second round pick on a safer college arm with a decent ceiling.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Jun 7, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Were they unpicked because of their asking price.

I don’t care if we pick them and want to throw money at them. It isn’t my money. But, if they weren’t picked because of injury concerns then that is different.

Why are you working the permit's desk, and why was that child clubbing your nuggets? ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Jun 7, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Asking price.

And the “It isn’t my money” argument isn’t valid. What if they draft Norris in the 2nd and Bell in the 3rd. They get Norris signed for $4 mil, but Bell refuses to sign. Also, between signing Stephenson and Bell they exhaust their entire budget for the draft and don’t sign a single other player. That would be devastating to the organizational depth.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Jun 7, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know what you are saying.

I realize that they have a budget. When I say it isn’t my money, I’m saying they should make the budget bigger. I know they can’t do that, but it was just wishful thinking.

Why are you working the permit's desk, and why was that child clubbing your nuggets? ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Jun 7, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you anyway

Fans get too caught up in how much their team is paying people. Not only is it not our money, but it’s not our budget either. We shouldn’t act like we are privy to the details of what goes into the budget and whether it’s flexible or not. When Walt or Bob say we can’t afford someone, then they can’t afford him. If they pay up, then they can afford him.

by Brian B on Jun 7, 2011 2:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

That's fair.

But what I see more often is fans saying “Just sign this guy, who cares how much it takes

In reality, teams have a set budget and it would often be stupid to go after certain players. Like you said, if they pay up, great. If they don’t, it’s a little silly to complain about.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Jun 7, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bob Castillini has more money then i will ever see

parking, tickets, and ball park food are quite expensive, and whenever I buy something in Hamilton County I am contributing to his play pen for his millionaires, spend some money you rich asshole.

It is unfair of him to have these fucking budget constraints.

I don't argue I correct.

by Yossarian22 on Jun 7, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like the man says, the rich didn't get that way by giving their money away

Or even if I just like such as judged a fish contest that would get me outta the house and in some air.

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Jun 7, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

so we take it by fucking force

viva la Leake!

I don't argue I correct.

by Yossarian22 on Jun 7, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bingo

That’s why I laugh when sports owners talk about losing money year to year. Nearly all sports owners acquired the wealth to buy their team through other means and are shrewd businessmen. They’re simply not psychologically wired to endure consistent losses.

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jun 7, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

And yet...

…they’ll sell the team only for a huge profit. Very few sports teams actually lose money for the owners; they may not generate cash flow, but the owners make it up when they sell.

"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"

by sidnancy on Jun 7, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep yep

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jun 7, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, I'm super pumped(!!1!) for rounds 2-10 today (less so after that)

Some players taken on day 2 the last few years

Billy Hamilton—2nd round, 2009
Donnie Jospeh—3rd round, 2009
Tucker Barnhart—10th round, 2009
Dave Sappelt—9th round, 2008
Zack Cozart—2nd round, 2007
Jeremy Horst—21st round, 2007
Chris Valaika—3rd round, 2006
Chris Heisey—17th round, 2006
Travis Wood—2nd round, 2005
Sam LeCure—4th round, 2005
Logan Ondrusek—14th round, 2005

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Jun 7, 2011 10:34 AM EDT reply actions  

I am way too excited for this.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Jun 7, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know, right? (see? I'm turning into a high schooler myself)

It’s all about hope and potential. Soon enough these guys get put into the minors, their flaws are exposed, and we are forced to temper our expectations.

But for today we can dream on what might be, and everyone has the ceiling of an all star!

/cheesy rant over

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Jun 7, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dunno

He made $2M last year and was offered $8M over 2 by Texas. I think he would’ve declined arb and risked getting a better deal on the open market.

by ken on Jun 7, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

You could be right.

Clearly Walt was spooked that he’d accept.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Jun 7, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah he wanted a 2 year deal

and the Reds weren’t going to give it to him. Tough call though, its a shame they didnt offer.

by pack_fan on Jun 7, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm interested to see what the Reds do internationally.

Talent is expensive and an even bigger gamble, but Cincinnati has become a force in acquiring Latin American talent of late.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was hoping they would get all Tampa Bay and start stockpiling 1st and supplemental round picks

But the Reds aren’t really in a position to do that, beyond maybe Ramon Hernandez. International prospects are more expensive, but the hope is that they’ll also get some bargains out of the Dominican Academy – like Cueto. And some non-traditional baseball markets Stoeckel has probed into like the Netherlands.

"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jun 7, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is pretty cool from ESPN:

"Let’s Go, Giants!"

Robert Stephenson is cheering on his favorite baseball team, the reigning World Series champion San Francisco Giants. He’s shouting at players and encouraging the squad, hoping to incite a rally.

Only Stephenson isn’t at AT&T Park. He’s in a sound studio in Novato, Calif., wearing headphones and reading lines from a computer screen. But it’s possible his enthusiasm will be felt across the country when 2K Sports releases its new game, MLB 2K11, on March 8. Depending on how the audio is cut, Stephenson’s cheers may be immortalized in the game and blasted through your speakers every time your squad plays in San Francisco.

The Alhambra (Martinez, Calif.) senior, a Washington recruit who’s considered one of the nation’s top pitchers, took a tour of the studio to experience the process by which the characters in video games, specifically the increasingly realistic athletes, are developed.

Creating a video game character isn’t as simple as drawing a likeness and programming it to move around on a virtual field, especially in baseball since every player has different quirks. From a pitcher’s windup to a batter’s stance, thousands of animations need to be programmed.

But 2K also gets specific about how a player in the game reacts to certain situations. Will a pitcher choose a slider on a 3-2 count? How does the hitter react to low, outside fastballs?

These calculations are in part the work of developer Sean Bailey, who talked to Stephenson about the pitcher’s tendencies on the mound. Stephenson’s mid-90s fastball is easy to program; when he throws it, how he throws it and whom he throws it against are more difficult to recreate.

"A lot goes into it," Bailey says. "In order for the character to play like [Stephenson] plays, we need to figure out his list of pitches, how often he throws each pitch, what pitches he avoids in what counts and how effective they are"

Of course, those can be tweaked later.

Perhaps the most important process is programming a player’s movements, which Stephenson got to experience first hand.

Most of the time 2K uses "actors" — since it would be hard to coordinate every player’s schedule — and those actors are often Division I athletes. The goal is to have real, talented athletes replicating the moves of real, talented major leaguers.

Stephenson’s first job is to put on the motion-capture suit. The suit goes from head to toe and is pure black, preventing any other light from being transmitted to the computers. Next, each major joint on the body is fitted with a special reflective white ball, called a marker. The computer needs to know how the body moves, and the body is a petty complex piece of equipment. That’s the job of "MoCapologist" Steve Park.
  
   
"By placing [the markers] on each joint we can track how the actor’s skeleton is moving about," says Park. "Imagine a marker on your shoulder. Now imagine a marker on your elbow. If you draw an imaginary line from your shoulder marker to your elbow marker, you’ve created the upper arm.

"By tracking the markers as they move and placing line segments between them, we can create an entire human skeleton and how it articulates."

From behind a computer, Park calls out instructions for Stephenson, who stands on a fake pitcher’s mound and plays catch with motion-capture specialist Anthony Tominia. The major motions and movements are important, but so are the little things like emotion.

The body reacts differently in a tense situation versus when a player is calm. The computer needs different reaction models for frustration, disappointment and exuberance.

On a screen overhead, a digital rendering of all of Stephenson’s movements takes a nearly human form. Each marker displays his elbows, knees, wrists, and even his feet and his glove.

"I thought it was neat that the skeleton did everything my motion looked like," Stephenson says.

Eventually, it’s all put together, like layering tracks on an album. The movements are tracked by a computer that is assigned to an artistic rendering of the player. Then that player’s movements are assigned the values based on all of the research that developers like Bailey have done. And finally, Stephenson’s character is ready to take the mound in a real game.

Of course, Stephenson’s video game form won’t be in MLB 2K11 when it’s released. But that doesn’t mean he isn’t looking forward to the day when they’re creating it for real. And that day may not be far off.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 10:46 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Baseball America's Jim Callis reports

that the Reds liked Oregon LHP Tyler Anderson (Rockies, 20th pick) and Hawaii 2B Kolten Wong (Cardinals, 22nd pick). With both gone, they liked Stephenson enough to break from tradition of drafting collegians and take a high-upside prep pitcher.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 11:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Woooooooo... yay for the draft.

Why are you working the permit's desk, and why was that child clubbing your nuggets? ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Jun 7, 2011 11:14 AM EDT reply actions  

By the way I'd love to see the Reds pick up Norris.

Why are you working the permit's desk, and why was that child clubbing your nuggets? ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Jun 7, 2011 11:14 AM EDT reply actions  

Heck of a pitcher.

Expensive. I can see someone picking him late and hoping he’ll take a low-ball offer. Probably winds up at Clemson. It’s a tremendous gamble by the kid. He probably could have gotten $2 million in this draft. If his gamble pays off and he develops into a top-of-the-draft guy, maybe he gets $6 million in three years. If he blows out his arm or doesn’t develop, he might not even be a first-rounder.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

And we're off! Pittsburgh: Josh Bell, RF, Jesuit College Prep.

Wow! If they’re serious about signing him, this is a tremendous selection by the Bucs. This kid’s a switch-hitter with 40 homer potential and projects to hit for average. He’ll be difficult to pry from Texas, but Pittsburgh is known to spend money on the draft.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 12:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Hey Thunder, what is the deal with Purke?

I know he had shoulder troubles. Can he still stay at TCU? If so, do you think he will?

LTP is for Stubbs only!

by OGC Reds on Jun 7, 2011 12:18 PM EDT reply actions  

He's a draft-eligible sophomore,

so he can stay at TCU and probably will. The shoulder injury really bumped him down boards.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he heads back to TCU

but the Nats might pay him 4 or 5 mil and he accepts. he wanted 6 out of high school.

by pack_fan on Jun 7, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, I think if the Nats throw a ton at him he'll sign

otherwise it’s back to TCU

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Jun 7, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Padres take ACC batting champ

Brad Miller, SS, Clemson. Arizona continues its impressive haul of pitching with Anthony Meo, RHP, Coastal Carolina. Orioles take Vanderbilt 3B Jason Esposito, who is a better glove man than a hitter.

KC takes Cam Gallagher, C, Manhein Township (Pa.) HS. His brother is in the Dodgers chain. Phillies take Romon Quinn, SS, Port St. Joe HS. I thought he’d be available later. Cleveland nabs a strong arm in Dollon Howard, RHP, Searcy HS. BA ranked him right behind Robert Stephenson. Good arm.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 12:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Heisey's hometown is close to Manheim

I guess it’s safe to call the greater Lancaster-Hershey area a baseball hotbed.

by ken on Jun 7, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cubs take a good bat in Daniel Vogelbach, 1B, Bishop Verot HS.

Strong hitter, but a tough sign. Houston takes Adrian Houser, RHP, Locust Grove HS. Yet another pitcher from the Sooner state. Milwaukee takes the first Puerto Rican, Jorge Lopez, RHP, Caguas Military Aceademy. He’s a great athlete with tremendous projection. Mets select Cory Mazzoni, RHP, North Carolina State. Good value.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 12:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Damn

Norris gone

LTP is for Stubbs only!

by OGC Reds on Jun 7, 2011 12:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Marlins take Adam Conley, LHP, Washington State.

He’s a former closer and reminds some of Dontrelle Willis. Dodgers select Alex Santana, 3B, Mariner HS. BA ranked him the 72nd-best prospect … in the state of Florida. LA scouts must’ve seen something they liked. Toronto pops Daniel Norris, LHP, Science HIll HS. Blue Jays are aggressive. It might take $4 million to sign Norris.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 12:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Tampa Bay takes Grandon Goetzman, CF, Palmetto HS.

Great pick. Big power. Draws Jayson Werth comps. Was considered a first-round talnet by some. Detroit goes with James McCann, C, Arkansas HS. Solid pick. Colorado takes Carl Thomore, RF, East Brunswick HS. Toronto comes back with Jeremy gobryszewski, RHP, Crosby HS. The Cardinals goe with Charlie Tilson, CF, New Trier HS. He’s a speed guy and the top prospect in Illinois.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 12:35 PM EDT reply actions  

White Sox go with Erik Johnson, RHP, California.

Big-bodied guy with potential to start. Boston goes with Williams Jerez, CF, Grand Street Campus. He’s the top prospect in New York. Take that, Yankees. Padres grab a stud catcher in Austin Hedges, Junipero Serra HS. Good bat. Tough sign. Texas takes Will Lamb, LHP, Clemson.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 12:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, we already know his nickname

“Surfer Rosa”

Fuck it, we'll do it live.

by DTFH91 on Jun 7, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

"3rd or 4th round talent"

Is this a reach? Or is he a Billy Hamilton tool box who is worth it?

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 7, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hard to tell.

He’s a kid with so much projection. Probably a bit of a reach, but some scout saw something he really liked.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK, let's wait until he starts playing to call him names

He just likes to wear aviators is all.

"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jun 7, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

6'4", 180. Raw power and good speed.

Sounds like they drafted another version of Yorman/Duran

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Jun 7, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure does.

Man, I thought that, too. Great minds think alike. So do ours.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess the philosophy is

“Throw enough Latin teenagers at the wall. One of them is bound to stick.”

(That’s racist!)

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Jun 7, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm excited about this pick

Although it seems like “raw” usually means “at least 5 years off.”

"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jun 7, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rosa played shortstop and oozes athleticizm.

He has a good body and runs 60 yards in 6.9 seconds. Stats are essentially non-existent. He has upside and is reportedly a high-character individual.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good news

LTP is for Stubbs only!

by OGC Reds on Jun 7, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perfect Game named Rosa the top prospect in Puerto Rico.

Baseball America had him as the top bat on the island.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is the US Amateur draft confined to the 50 states and PR?

Or are we talking about all US holdings and outlying islands?

"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jun 7, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heh.

This is 2 raw, projection picks in a row. I guess Walt was serious when he said the upper levels were stocked and they’d go with younger guys this year.

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by nycredsfan on Jun 7, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even the third rounder is a bit of a projection pick.

Cingrani isn’t a polished, finished product by any means. Interesting draft so far.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you prefer a pick such as this,

or such as last year’s second rounder Ryan LaMarre?

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's a good question.

For me, you need both. If you take safer and/or lower ceiling college guys in the first round, you need to gamble on some HS guys or rawer college guys in later rounds. That seems to be what the Reds have done more of lately.

So I don’t mind this approach so far. The only problem is that it seems like there are a lot of raw, projectible guys in later rounds, and many fewer safe college guys. So they could be stuck with a draft full of projects. That’s a little bit scary.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Jun 7, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

why is that scary?

just curious, I could see the coaches being overworked a bit, but you could argue that a bunch of projects is a good idea because a few of them will work out. We took a fair amount of floor in last years draft so I don’t mind some risk in this one.

by pack_fan on Jun 7, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, our system seems now to be full of high floor guys and really raw toolsy guys

that could turn into studs or totally flame out.

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Jun 7, 2011 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

/Bowden'd

which frightens me.

Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.

by Cy Schourek on Jun 7, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly. If you draft all projection guys, and 90-90% flame out, your system sucks

a la the Reds from 1995-about 2007

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Jun 8, 2011 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

thats if you do it consistently

I don’t think the Reds have done that every year recently, I think they’ve brought in a decent amount of floor guys

by pack_fan on Jun 8, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep

i forget that Leake was drafted two years ago, he came so fast.

I don't argue I correct.

by Yossarian22 on Jun 8, 2011 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Houston just took Jack Armstrong, RHP, Vanderbilt.

He’s the son of Jack Armstrong, starting pitcher for the NL in the 1990 All-Star Game a member of the World Champion Cincinnati Reds.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 1:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Glad you remember

Maybe he’ll have a better career than his dad.

by Jack Armstrong started an All Star Game on Jun 7, 2011 1:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

This is one of the most appealing concepts of baseball history

Sons of big-league players getting a chance.

The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.

by johnu1 on Jun 7, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Angels just took Florida LHP Nick Maronde.

He’s one of the better high schoolers to come out of the Lexington Area in the last few years.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 1:05 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah, I saw him pitch in HS. pretty solid.

I believe he was ranked higher than Chaz Roe and Colin Cowgill both.

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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jun 7, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rockies take Peter O'Brien, C, Bethune-Cookman.

His dad, Pete, played in the big leagues.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 1:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Toronto just took John Stilson, RHP, Texas A&M.

We previewed him as a possible Reds pick before he got hurt. He was a sure-fire first-rounder until he injured his shoulder. He got a second opinion on the tornlabrum and might not need surgery.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 1:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Boston selects Jordan Weems, C, Columbus HS.

You might remember his brother, former Reds farmhand Chase Weems.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 1:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Pitcher out of Rice?

I like.

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by crolfer on Jun 7, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great program.

Rice pitchers have been injury prone, but Cingrani doesn’t have a history of injury. As a JUCO sophomore, he struck out 20 against San Jacinto, one of the premier programs in the country.

He’s a project. He’ll have to improve his breaking ball to have a shot. BA regarded him as one of the most attractive senior signs in the draft. Cingrani saved 12 games this season.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Although it's a college pitcher, this seems like a "projection project" too.

With guys like Hamilton and the young Latin guys already in the system, this is turning quickly into a boom or bust farm system.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Jun 7, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I bet his wrists are weak as shit

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by jch24 on Jun 7, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

He goes by "Tony."

BA ranks him the No. 23 prospect in Texas, which had a banner draft crop this year. He transferred to Rice from South Suburban JC, where he broke the strikeout record of former big leaguer Tim Byrdak. Cingrani is a reliever.

Cingrani (6-foot-5, 205) was a bust his first season at Rice, posting n 8.05 ERA. Coaches overhauled his motion this year and the results were dramatic as he posted a 1.74 ERA, went 4-2 and had 66 whiffs in 57 innings. A senior, he features a live fastball and a below average slider that has potential. Cingrani allowed 47 hits, walked 10 and foes batted .224.

A native of New Lenox, Ill., he’ll be 22 in July.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmm. 1 good pitch reliever. Seems like a stretch for the 3rd round.

In Buckley I Truckley….

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Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Jun 7, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I logged on to RR mobile to express this same opinion

Doesn’t it seem like this kind of guy would be available in the 7th or 8th? Especially after 2 projection picks, we have 3 picks and not a lot of finished product to show for it.

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by BK on Jun 7, 2011 1:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Cingrani's fastball is mid-to-upper 90s.

It has some getup. Against a good East Carolina team, he came in with the bases loaded and struck out six of the last 11 batters he faced in a 2-1 win. He appears to thrive in a relief role. Cingrani’s a great student and has a closer mentality.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, a lefty who can bring it certainly has value.

Maybe they feel they can teach him a changeup.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Jun 7, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

In Soto we Troto?

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Jun 7, 2011 2:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Saw someone make a good point somewhere else.

He’s a senior, and therefore a pretty cheap sign. Maybe the org has targeted some HS guys to get in later rounds to go way over slot for.

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Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Jun 7, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

That wouldn't surprise me in the least.

Maybe they’re figuring to go big internationally, too. We’ll see.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

White Sox just got a good one

in Kent State RHP Kyle McMillen.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 1:46 PM EDT reply actions  

In other news

I’m trying to figure out a surefire way to distinguish the genders of the Brown Marmorated Stink Bug with little success. Need some live specimens.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Jun 7, 2011 1:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Dude

Look for its thinger.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 7, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I've seen those in my apartment

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jun 7, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

rule 34'd

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by jch24 on Jun 7, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have a photo that could help you, but .........

The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.

by johnu1 on Jun 7, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

A fatty!

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Jun 7, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait a sec...

…that’s my size.

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by sidnancy on Jun 7, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

BA ranks him third in Pennsylvania and No. 153 nationally.

While he’s short, McMyne is said to have a strong build and power stuff. Villanova’s No. 1 starter, he sits 92-93 with his fastball and has hit 96. McMyne has inconsistent breaking stuff and while he throws more strikes with his curve, his slider projects to be a better pitch.

McMyne could be a power bullpen arm as a pro, but will get a chance to start, in part, because he holds his velocity deep into games.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

But they gotta pay

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jun 7, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

He’s flashed one, but needs to develop it.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

McMyne is from Old Forge, Pa.

He was 6-6 with a 6.25 ERA as a sophomore and 1-2 with a 10.48 ERA as a freshman. A liberal arts major, he joins Stephenson and Cingrani as honor students.

His slider is a swing-and-miss pitch at times. McMyne was impressive in the Cape Cod League in a relief role, where he struck out 24 in 15 1/3 innings.

Here’s one scout’s take after seeing McMyne against Duke:

“The breaking balls were pretty good,” one of the scouts in attendance said. “There were flashes that were above-average and then there’s a few that kind of hung up there a little bit. You’re looking for some consistency, but the flashes are there. I think they’re both separators and they both have value. One or the other, on any given day, could be better than the other. His curveball seemed to be a pitch he had a lot of confidence in throwing. And that’s going to help him keep hitters a little more off balance.”

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Old Forge?

a couple blocks away from me. Wonder why the news paper hasnt mentioned him

LTP is for Stubbs only!

by OGC Reds on Jun 7, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds kinda Dickensian

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jun 7, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

McMyne went 4-8 with a 4.75 ERA,

but was better than those numbers. In 14 games and 78 innings, he allowed 77 hits, struck out 94 and walked 49. If he can cut down the walks, he’ll help himself dramatically.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we made the Wright pick.

Glad we didn’t go Wong here.

Ba-dum-tish.

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by crolfer on Jun 7, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

You ain't ryan!

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by bbjones on Jun 8, 2011 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

A junior from Fort Wayne, Ind., Wright

Wright plays well against strong competition, going 2-for-5 with a homer against Vanderbilt for example. Born in Columbus, Ohio, Wright majors in Sports Administration. His favorite team is the Cincinnati Reds! Wright’s dad played college baseball at Miami (Ohio) and his grandfather played pro hockey in the IHL.

Wright posted a line of 12-52-.346/.426/.598 this season. He stole 16 bases in 18 tries and fielded .972. As a freshman he went 5-66-.335. As a sophomore he was 16-80-.366.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

So-so.

Miami, obviously, is good. Seton Hall won it this year. It’s a league that produces some fine players but not great teams.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course, Miami left, as did BC,

but they’ve been strong in recent years.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rutgers, home of Todd Frazier, is there.

Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.

by Cy Schourek on Jun 7, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fort Wayne, Villanova, East Bay...

looks like the Reds are focusing the draft on “kids from shitty places that will be really excited to get to Cincinnati”

Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.

by Cy Schourek on Jun 7, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not Villanova

Pretty sure Philly > Cincy

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jun 7, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

'Nova's on the Main Line

Not exactly Newark or North Philly.

by ken on Jun 7, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know, I know. It's still the third best school on the Main Line, at best.

Where my Black Squirrels at?

Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.

by Cy Schourek on Jun 7, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

hey, that's my favorite team!

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by bbjones on Jun 8, 2011 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

The 'Ville!

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by jch24 on Jun 7, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

The No. 4 prospect in Kentucky,

which has a very strong crop of prospects this season, Wright ranks No. 101 nationally by Baseball America. This kid can hit. He led the U.S. National Team with a .361 batting average last summer and batted .458 at the World University Championships.

Wright’s power and speed are fringe-average, yet he gets the most out of them, reaching double figures in home runs and stolen bases last season. Wright is versatile, having started at second, third, short, left and right. He has good hands in the field and strong hands at the plate.

Wright has an average arm and range. He projected as a second-round pick as an offensive-minded second baseman.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 2:34 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

He's a Reds fan, so he's got that going for him

which is nice.

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.

by -ManBearPig on Jun 7, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

And there you go. A lower ceiling, higher floor college guy in a later round.

I like it a lot. Seems like he could possibly move quickly and maybe be a candidate to replace BP at some point.

Just watched his scouting video. His throwing motion seems really accurate but not super strong (screams second base). Also, he has one of the more level swings I’ve ever seen. Not surprised he’s not a big power guy, but he seems like he’ll be a great line drive hitter.

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by nycredsfan on Jun 7, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wright has a quick bat and is a good base runner,

although he’s not a burner. He’s very businesslike in his approach. College Baseball Daily ranked Wright the No. 16 player in the nation in the preseason. He’s a hard worker and a quick study.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds like another fast over.

He and Henry Rodriguez are similar in age. Between the two of them, hopefully one could replace BP by 2013 or 2014 at the latest.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Jun 7, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stats this year:

234 AB, 12 HR, 33 BB, 32 K, .346/.426/.598

I don’t mind the lack of power at all if he combines a good hit tool with a good eye at the plate.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Jun 7, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, 16 of 18 in SB attempts

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Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Jun 7, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

seems good

LTP is for Stubbs only!

by OGC Reds on Jun 7, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sean is Chris Buckley's kid.

This isn’t a nepotism pick, though. The kid’s a legitimate prospect and the Reds probably stand a fair chance to sign him, don’t you think? Buckley has a chacne to stick at third, but can play right. The No. 45 prospect in Florida, Buckley brings right-handed power, an average-to-plus arm and is strong.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Miike Piazza was a nepotism pick

that worked out okay

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by bbjones on Jun 8, 2011 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Buckley has signed with Florida International.

A native of Tampa, he began his career at South Florida, where he batted .250 in 60 at bats as a freshman. Buckley has a mature build, explosive power and runs 60 yards in 6.8 seconds. He went 10-52-.379 this season. Buckley could play first base.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Glad we didn't take him in the 3rd!

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Jun 7, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

...or the 1st

Why’d he fall so far?

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by BK on Jun 7, 2011 3:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

you can take lessons threw my internet class!

just mail the check to Madville!

I don't argue I correct.

by Yossarian22 on Jun 7, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

golden

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by jch24 on Jun 7, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

BA ranks Allen the No. 10 prospect in Kansas.

A reliever, he’s Kansas State’s all-time saves leader. His fastball is 90-to-92 and has hit 94. His smooth delivery makes the pitch what scouts call “sneaky fast,” getting on hitters quicker than they realize. He throws a solid slider and throws strikes.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

In football, "sneaky fast" is usually the way announcers describe a white guy who runs well

Or even if I just like such as judged a fish contest that would get me outta the house and in some air.

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Jun 7, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Allen has posted impressive numbers.

He was 3-1 with a 1.35 ERA in 29 games this season. In 40 innings, he allowed 25 hits, struck out 45 and walked 11 as foes batted .179. He had 17 saves. As a sophomore he was 5-1 with a 2.58 ERA and nine saves. As a freshman he was 2-` with a 5.50 ERA.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

hey TT

mlb.com decided they didn’t need to have their tracker updated for some reason. where can I find a list of all the picks?

by pack_fan on Jun 7, 2011 3:11 PM EDT reply actions  

It's working for me.

Baseball America lists them all, too, on their blog and on their draft database.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't understand why i can't get it to work

only goes up to the 4th round. I’ll try BA thanks.

by pack_fan on Jun 7, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Big thunderstorm rolling through here.

Lights are flickering. If I disappear because of a power outage, I’ll catch up.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 3:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Stephenson

When does Billings’ season start? Late June??? I’m not able to look right now. What are the chances this kid signs and gets some starts in rookie ball this season?

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Sounds like a johnu1 production. --jch24

by GrooveLeg on Jun 7, 2011 3:14 PM EDT reply actions  

probably pretty good

might depend on whether they want to limit his innings. Maybe they wait until the Arizona Fall League.

by pack_fan on Jun 7, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

AFL is usually for more AA-AAA types

it’s rare to see a HS kid start in the AFL

Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.

by Cy Schourek on Jun 7, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

good point

Leake went there, but he was a college pick.

by pack_fan on Jun 7, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Homer Bailey got a couple of innings in 2004

Leake didn’t pitch in 2009 but I think they were concerned about his work load that year.

I don't argue I correct.

by Yossarian22 on Jun 7, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

He won't pitch in the AFL this year

More than likely, I think he’ll stay at extended spring for a while, maybe make an appearance in the AZL late on.

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by BK on Jun 7, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not TT, so I can't find much

perfectgame.com lists him as the 245th best player in the draft, which is 7th-8th round talent.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Jun 7, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for keeping up with this, 'creds

There’s no generic for TT, but I’m Whimpering Amoeba when it comes to the draft.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jun 7, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rated No 5 Juco prospect by Perfect Game USA

Bats right, throws right

via

Rated as the number 5 JC player in Florida by Perfect Game USA, Matthews transferred to St. Petersburg from Charleston Southern and made himself into a big time prospect. He supposedly has a strong arm and runs a 6.5 60. A nice tools type pick for a team that can always use a few more athletes. This should hopefully be an easy sign for the team.

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jun 7, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm rec'ing the system, not you ; )

Easier for people to read through the thread later on.

by ken on Jun 7, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rough childhood

At 14 he was run over by a trailer. It punctured his lung, lacerated his liver, ruptured a vertebrae, fractured a few ribs and left tread marks on his leg.

Appears to be a good character guy.

More, here

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jun 7, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is something on Green from last year. Ignore the Maddux comp and it's got good scouting info from his coach.
“You’ve got the strikeout pitchers in Jungmann and Workman, and even Ruffin can get a lot of strikeouts—but Green pitches to contact,” Garrido said. “It’s the movement and the change of speeds; the other guys are more like power pitchers, and he’s more like a young Greg Maddox. They just mis-hit it, they mis-time it, they don’t square it up as often. He gets his groundballs and he gets his flyballs.”

Green’s fading, sinking changeup is devastating against lefthanded hitters, and his slider can be a wipeout pitch against righties. His fastball velocity is average—around 88-92 mph—but Garrido said that might actually be his most effective pitch.

“His ball movement on his fastball is interesting. He’s one of the few pitchers that I’ve seen, as a righthanded pitcher, he can throw to the outside half of the plate, and the ball will come back, actually,” Garrido said. "The ball will come back, sink back toward the plate, and I haven’t seen that. Lefthanders, you’ll see that ball move a lot, and that’s kind of what he does. But it doesn’t do that unless he is just relaxed and confident, and his presence is his biggest gift. I think a lot of that is because he’s really matured academically as well as athletically, and he’s found balance between the two. He’s pretty much the same person wherever he is and whatever he’s doing. For a young college player, that’s pretty unusual.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Jun 7, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

He actually went in the 4th round to Detroit last year, but didn't sign. Not sure why. Here's what they said last year about him

He did indeed pitch a good amount as a freshman while showing good pitchability and command but a lack of elite stuff. He’s progressed for the last two by using those same qualities, just improving upon them. He has put together his best year as a junior, better than fellow 2010 draft prospect Brandon Workman, but he’s still considered the lesser prospect. His stuff is that of a middle reliever or a number five starter. His fastball is an average 89-91 mph pitch with above-average command, and he gets above-average movement on it while getting groundouts left and right. His best secondary pitch is a solid-average slider, and his changeup is also a solid-average pitch, which gives him three usable pitches. He also has a smaller frame, but he’s still expected to go in the third to sixth round range because of his exceptional pitchability and grinder makeup. He should be signable for slot money.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Jun 7, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

They offered 300k but he turned it down to focus on his education and winning a national championship with Texas

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jun 7, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Green is ranked by BA as the No. 20 player in Texas

and the No. 161 player in the draft. He turned down $400,000 last year as a fourth-rounder of the Tigers. At 6-foot, 210, he’s stocky, but has good stuff. He throws strikes and competes well, featuring a sinker from 88-to-92, touching 94. He gets groundball outs. his change is very effective against LHH. He also throws a late-breaking slider that is decent.

Green has strong command and pitches to the bottom of the strike zone. He profiles as a back of the rotation starter.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Green is from Coppel, Texas, and majors in communications.

The fourth starter on a loaded Longhorns staff, Green went 7-3 with a 3.09 ERA this season. In 18 games, 17 starts, he allowed 78 hits, walked 18 and struck out 99. He gave up six home runs and foes batted .213.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seems like a Sam LeCure type

Unfortunately, could also be a Zac Ward type

Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.

by Cy Schourek on Jun 7, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Previously drafted by Cubs, goes by Brooks
Pinckard, a 6-foot-1, 190-pound junior at Baylor, was selected as a right-handed pitcher by the Reds. While playing for the Express in the summers of 2008 and ’09, he played outfield and showed some of his nasty stuff on the mound at the back end of the bullpen.

He was drafted by the Chicago Cubs in the 18th round (550th overall) during last year’s draft but didn’t sign a professional contract.

Pinckard went 5-3 with a 3.57 ERA and three saves in 21 appearances (six starts) for Baylor this spring. He also batted .295 with two home runs and 16 RBIs.

via

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jun 7, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Both his parents were athletes
“His great speed creates offense for us more than anything,” said Smith. “He has phenomenal raw talent that is very hard to find.”

This raw talent is evident through his 95-mph fastball and 6.4 seconds 60-yard dash time. Because of this, Pinckard serves as the Bears’ centerfielder and closer. In 2010, this unique combination landed him on the watch list for the Olerud Two-Way Player Award.

“He has probably the rarest combination of skills I have seen,” Smith said. “You just don’t see someone throw 95 mph and have that kind of speed at the same time.”

“He takes losing harder than anyone, and puts a lot of it on himself, rather than the team,” said Smith. “He still gets over it and puts that stuff behind him.”

“He’s a goofball and makes the locker room and apartment an exciting place to be,” said senior pitcher and roommate Jon Ringenberg. “He always has fun, and is fun to be around.”

Coach Smith feels that with Pinckard’s combination of an upstanding attitude and raw talent, there is much potential for the two position star. In 2010, Pinckard was selected by the Chicago Cubs in the 18th round of the Major League Baseball draft. All the while, he stays cool-headed and humble in regards to his talent and prospective future in the game of baseball.

via

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jun 7, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pinckard is relatively new to the mound.

A slap-hitting CF, he stole 60 bases in 66 tries in three seasons, but his future is on the bump where his fastball ranges from 92 to 96 with life. His slider shows promise and he has a seldom-used change. Walks are a problem and he does get hit some, but scouts believe its because he’s so raw as a pitcher. Pro coaching likely will benefit him greatly.

A 6-1, 195-pound junior, he lacks consistency and has thrown just 106 innings in three seasons. An 18th-rounder by the Cubs last year, he was projected to go as high as the third round this season.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, we're loading up on Big 12 players.

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by crolfer on Jun 7, 2011 3:38 PM EDT reply actions  

A Canadian kid, also a basketball star. Had TJ surgery in September and hasn't thrown a pitch since, but there's this:
Vaughn Covington, rhp – Covington is not on the roster, because he is injured. Had he been healthy, he could have been one of the top arms in this year’s class, with reports of him touching 96 mph in short bullpen stints last year. "He’s very special, but he’s sitting here with us with an arm injury. But that’s a real legitimate arm. Last May, in the Dominican, he pitched 90-92 as just a kid turning 17 and he spins the breaking ball really well. He’s a kid that I think will get drafted even though he hasn’t thrown a pitch all spring. He had Tommy John surgery in September, so he’s not going to pitch prior to the draft, but I could see him being kind of like a Chris LeRoux-type guy. But if he was healthy, I could have seen him making a bid for the top couple rounds. He’s that good and you’re talking 6-foot-5 and a ton of leverage in the arm."

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by nycredsfan on Jun 7, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just saw that - could be a high risk, high reward type pitcher

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jun 7, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's listed as the second best prospect in Canada this year.

Throws a 90-92 mph FB with good sink, can touch mid 90s in short bursts. Has a CB with very good break.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Jun 7, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Covington is the No .2 prospect in Canada.

He is being recruited by a number of junior colleges and won’t return to the mound until after the August signing deadline, meaning he’s a gamble for the Reds to sign. At 6-5 with tremendous projection, he might be worth it. His fastball generally is from 90 to 92, but has touched 96. Covington’s curve is quite promising.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Votto was the #2 prospect in Canada

notsayinjustsayin

Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.

by Cy Schourek on Jun 7, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm back!

At least for now. Still storming. I’ll catch up as quickly as I can. Thanks for all those filling in for me!

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 4:12 PM EDT reply actions  

See alot of Pitching out of this draft for us....

Good cause we need all the help we can get; hope it all pans out

Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!

"We'll be the first really global team in the NBA. For me, being the first foreign owner, I want to do my best to invite all the fans for the team all over the world. I think the NBA is worldwide. But other teams [possess a] more local mentality. We are going to create and to build a global franchise to sell all around the world. I think I have a competitive advantage compared to other owners." - Mikhail Prokhorov

by Kidd2Petrovic on Jun 7, 2011 4:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Out of 14 picks so far......9 are pitchers

Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!

"We'll be the first really global team in the NBA. For me, being the first foreign owner, I want to do my best to invite all the fans for the team all over the world. I think the NBA is worldwide. But other teams [possess a] more local mentality. We are going to create and to build a global franchise to sell all around the world. I think I have a competitive advantage compared to other owners." - Mikhail Prokhorov

by Kidd2Petrovic on Jun 7, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK... now I believe it

Just kidding ’creds!

The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!

by TheC on Jun 7, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Turtle hope you don't mind if i help here

dont want to step on toes

Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!

"We'll be the first really global team in the NBA. For me, being the first foreign owner, I want to do my best to invite all the fans for the team all over the world. I think the NBA is worldwide. But other teams [possess a] more local mentality. We are going to create and to build a global franchise to sell all around the world. I think I have a competitive advantage compared to other owners." - Mikhail Prokhorov

by Kidd2Petrovic on Jun 7, 2011 4:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Have at it, buddy!

I like it. Sorry if I duplicate anything. I’m running a marathon at a dead sprint trying to catch up.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol I got you buddy

just trying to help alil

Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!

"We'll be the first really global team in the NBA. For me, being the first foreign owner, I want to do my best to invite all the fans for the team all over the world. I think the NBA is worldwide. But other teams [possess a] more local mentality. We are going to create and to build a global franchise to sell all around the world. I think I have a competitive advantage compared to other owners." - Mikhail Prokhorov

by Kidd2Petrovic on Jun 7, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Vaughn

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jun 7, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Serrano is an Arkansas signee.

He is 6-foot, 185 pounds and won’t be an easy sign. He went 11-69-.541 this season, with 26 doubles and 22 walks. He holds some state hitting records. Aggressive on the basepaths, Serrano is ranked as the No. 29 player in Arizona.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Fleese was a reserve OF as a freshman.

He moved to the moound and last year was a 27th-round pick by Seattle. He dropped 35 pounds to 215 on his 6-foot-3 frame and improved his work habits this year. Fleece throws 90-92 out of the bullpen and has hit 95. His fastball has good sinking life. Fleece has an unconvention motion which adds deception. A senior, he throws strikes with his fastball and slider.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

future reliever it sounds like

good to get guys like that in the later rounds

by pack_fan on Jun 7, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

A native of Fort Worth, Texas,

Fleese went 6-1 with a 1.55 ERA this sseason. H had three saves. In 40 IP, Fleece aLLOWED 38 hits, struck out 30, walked 10 and held opponents to a .244 batting average.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kemp goes by the first name "Ryan"

A two way player his first two seasons, Kemp was strictly a pitcher this year. Out of the bullpen he went 1-2 with a 3.14 ERA. In 25 relief appearances, he saved four games. In 28 2/3 innings, he alllowed 21 hits, struck out 42 and walked 12.

In 2009, he was 1-3 with a 5.09. He went 0-0 with a 6.46 ERA in 2010.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not much out there.

Dorton was the AAA player of the year in South Carolina. He also is a QB on the football team. He is 6-foot-3, 180. I’ll diog for more in a bit.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Costello is an Arkansas signee.

Biceps teninitis limited him as a junior, but he was strong as a senior and ranks as the No. 18 prospect in talent-rich Oklahoma. A right-hander, Costello throws 88 to 91. He has a feel for a curveball. Costello has a quick arm and is athletic.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Costello also has a change.

His command is strong for a high schooler. Arkansas anticipates him helping as a freshman, possibly even being in the weekend rotation, if he gets there.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

wait, is he a pitcher or an OFer?

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Jun 7, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Jun 7, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Phillips is the No. 15 prospect in New York.

A College of Charleston signee, he played SS in high school, but isn;t expected to stay there. He looks good in the uniform and has raw skills to go with strong wrists. He’s a slashing, top-of-the-order hitter.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

He looks good in the uniform?

What are we, selling jeans?
/beane’d

by RedStalk on Jun 7, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

probably a tough sign

sounds like a decent pick though

by pack_fan on Jun 7, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Phillips hit .455 and stole 15 bases

this season for a mediocre team in Harlem. He has upside and is a hard-working kid with good makeup.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

i saw that too

Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!

"We'll be the first really global team in the NBA. For me, being the first foreign owner, I want to do my best to invite all the fans for the team all over the world. I think the NBA is worldwide. But other teams [possess a] more local mentality. We are going to create and to build a global franchise to sell all around the world. I think I have a competitive advantage compared to other owners." - Mikhail Prokhorov

by Kidd2Petrovic on Jun 7, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn

I can’t believe we drafted a player without a brain

Fuck it, we'll do it live.

by DTFH91 on Jun 7, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Moran is a draft-eligible sophomore,

so he has extra leverage. His dad was a MLB scout for 17 years. This season he went 4-1 with a 3.91 ERA out of the bullpen, allowing 23 hits, striking out 18 and walking 14 in 23 innings. Opponents batted .274. He is a transfer from Maryland-Baltimore County-Catonsville.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

We drafted a Moran!?!?

This guy is gonna be an RR favorite.

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by crolfer on Jun 7, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

already is!

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Jun 7, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting guy.

Joyce was recruited by some big programs before signing with Cal-Santa Barbara. He transferred to Santa Barbara City College, where he went 7-1 with a 2.04 ERA and 114 strikeouts in 70 innings. He walked 25 and allowed 39 hits. Joyce was a 10th-round pick by the Dodgers out of high school.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

hometown cookin

Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!

"We'll be the first really global team in the NBA. For me, being the first foreign owner, I want to do my best to invite all the fans for the team all over the world. I think the NBA is worldwide. But other teams [possess a] more local mentality. We are going to create and to build a global franchise to sell all around the world. I think I have a competitive advantage compared to other owners." - Mikhail Prokhorov

by Kidd2Petrovic on Jun 7, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

BA ranks him No. 14 in Ohio.

A Bearcat. Anybody seen him play? He’s 6-foot-8, 225 pounds and BA ranks him as the No. 14 prospect in Ohio. It is a down year for prospects in Ohio.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jensen is from Centerville.

A transfer from Sinclair CC, he threw 89 innings, gave up 87 hits, struck out 79 and had a 3.11 ERA this season. He was 4-2 with a 4.02 ERA in 2010. In 2009 he was 1-0 with a 1.89 ERA and 18 Ks in 23 IP in the Alaskan Summer League.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

13 out of 20 picks.......pitchers

TG pitching is deep in this draft for us

Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!

"We'll be the first really global team in the NBA. For me, being the first foreign owner, I want to do my best to invite all the fans for the team all over the world. I think the NBA is worldwide. But other teams [possess a] more local mentality. We are going to create and to build a global franchise to sell all around the world. I think I have a competitive advantage compared to other owners." - Mikhail Prokhorov

by Kidd2Petrovic on Jun 7, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is were I bow out Turtle hope I helped you alil

Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!

"We'll be the first really global team in the NBA. For me, being the first foreign owner, I want to do my best to invite all the fans for the team all over the world. I think the NBA is worldwide. But other teams [possess a] more local mentality. We are going to create and to build a global franchise to sell all around the world. I think I have a competitive advantage compared to other owners." - Mikhail Prokhorov

by Kidd2Petrovic on Jun 7, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

TAKE THAT COLORADO

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Jun 7, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's see if you still like him.

BA ranks him No. 79 in California. He went 1-4 with a 5.36 ERA. In 45 1/3 innings over 10 starts and 17 games, he allowed 56 hits, walked 28 and struck out 35. A transfer from Pierce JC, he’s a native of Granda Hills, Calif.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

With those stats, he ought to be.

Yeah, I turtled it up. He’s a RHP.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

so what's the upside?

huge WHIP, not great K/BB ratio, high ERA (which means little, I know, but not much to go on here)

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Jun 7, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll have to dig a little.

Guys like this usually have one tool or skill that attracts a scout. Maybe a big fastball or a body with projection. I’ll see what I can find.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

cool, thanks

and thanks for being on top of all this. It’s awesome to have personalized analysis and info on the guys the Reds are drafting

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Jun 7, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Suck it, Rockies!

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by crolfer on Jun 7, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is an interesting guy.

Garrett has signed with St. John’s … to play basketball. He’s an outstanding leaper and doesn’t play on a school baseball team. He began tinkering with baseball last year and worked out for scouts in May. He threw 90 to 94 consistently and hit 96. His change has life and he flashes a useable curve.

BA ranks him the No. 200 prospect available. He’ll undoubtedly be a difficult sign.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

whoa...that's weird

have there been any success stories like this or is this unprecedented?

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Jun 7, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

This seems like a no-chance-in-hell-to-sign pick

Isn’t that risky for 22?

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by BK on Jun 7, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've been thinking about it.

Being a two-sport athlete with a basketball scholarship, Garrett is eligible to have his bonus spread over five years. He reportedly is seeking $1.5 million. That, if the Reds really want him, is doable.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

If that's all he's looking for, he can't be too serious about basketball.

But I still think that it’d be fishy if that was the case. This guy’s a 4-star recruit and Rivals has him ranked as the 68th best player in the country in the ’11 class. Has a blue chip basketball recruit ever left a D-1 scholarship (in the Big East) to play baseball as a 22nd pick? Seems like a rare case, for sure.

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by BK on Jun 7, 2011 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

One. Point. Five. Million. Dollars.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Jun 8, 2011 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

As Turtle said, we can spread that bonus out

And that’s less than we gave Juan Duran, who last time I checked, doesn’t throw 96 from the left side.

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by BK on Jun 8, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

i don't think the round really matters to him, if the Reds pay him what he wants

and if they don’t we should take pitch forks to the Castinili’s.

I don't argue I correct.

by Yossarian22 on Jun 8, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

found an article about him on NBC.com

which has a tweet from him which is interesting. here’s the link:
http://beyondthearc.nbcsports.com/2011/06/07/reds-draft-st-johns-recruit-wholl-likely-end-up-in-mlb/

that further tells me he will be a tough sign, but this is a worthy gamble for the Reds in the 22nd round.

by pack_fan on Jun 8, 2011 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wonder if he's going to have trouble with his busy schedule at Sterling Cooper

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by BK on Jun 7, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

He goes by "Sal."

Romano is a Tennessee signee and ranks as the fourth-best prospect in Southern New England. Romano was projected as a top-10 pick, so he’ll not be an easy sign. Romano throws in the low 90s and offers plenty of projection. Just 17, he wears a size 16 shoe.

Romano has a feel for a change and an average curve. He has a funky delivery that will need to be smoothed out.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Romano suffered a broken jaw

from a line drive that kept him out of summer action last year. He came back to go 7-3 with a 2.12 ERA and 51 Ks in 59 innings. Tennessee is undergoing a coaching change, so maybe he’s more signable than he otherwise would have been.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 6:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Hey Weez.

The reply button isn’t working for some reason. Crazy stuff pops up from time to time, but usually it’s a football/baseball connection or a guy like Brandon Nimmo, whose state doesn’t have baseball. This is a really interesting case with Garrett.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 6:43 PM EDT reply actions  

bk

They probably won’t sign him. Too risky to offer enough money to buy him out of St. John’s. It’s worth a shot, just in case the kid really wants to play baseball. At this point in the draft there aren’t a lot of future MLB guys available. Rather than just take a good organizational soldier, I like gambling on someone like this once in a while.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 6:46 PM EDT reply actions  

O'Shea is a 1B, but mlb lists him as a C.

Maybe the Reds asked he be listed that way with an eye toward putting him behind the plate. A red-shirt junior, he could be motivated to sign. The No. 7 player in Minnesota, O’Shea is an engineering major and highly intelligent.

O’She went 7-34-.299/.343/.500 this season, down from 11-44-.287 as a freshman and 13-60-.360 as a sophomore.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 6:52 PM EDT reply actions  

thanks for all this coverage, Thundering Turtle

i was following during work today.

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by Howie Feltersnatch on Jun 7, 2011 6:55 PM EDT reply actions  

French is a heck of a story.

He survived melanoma that was discovered in an unlikely manner. we’ll get into that in a follow up. The No. 33 prospect in Georgia, French is an extreme groundball guy — so much so that he allowed one home runs in his last 80 innings.

This season he went 6-2 with a 3.26 ERA. In 15 games, 14 starts, and 80 IP, he allowed 93 hits, struck out 59 and walked 19. As a junior he was 2-2, 6.33. As a sophomore, he went 3-4, 6.34. He pitched a bit as a freshman, but also played the infield. He’s a senior and a psychology major from Suwanee, Ga.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 7:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Perez is a transfer from Mission College.

A sophomore, he is the Western State Conference, Southern Division player of the year. He led his team in nearly every offensive category, going 2-35-.400/.480/.564 with 15 stolen bases in 17 attempts. He fielded .946.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought this name was familiar.

The Reds drafted him in the 33rd round out of Lakeland HS, but he opted for Manatee JC, from where the Padres selected him in the 25th round. Wrenn chose to go to USC, then transferred to Tampa. He is ranked as the No. 83 player in Florida. A sports management major, he went 1-18-.341/.394/.518 this season. He is 21. MLB lists him as a junior. Tampa lists him as a senior.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's... different. All hope is not lost for me yet.

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by crolfer on Jun 7, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Confusing.

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by BK on Jun 7, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, the plot thickens.

Perez is a Cuban defector and played for their national team as recently as 2009.. He’s played for the McAllen Thunder of an independent League this season. I’ll find out more, soon.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 7, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

How on earth is he draft-eligible then?

Seems like they should have been able to just sign him, right?

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by BK on Jun 7, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm still thinking though

That if he was over here playing in the an independent league, that couldn’t the Reds just have signed him without having to draft him?

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by BK on Jun 7, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Indy league guys can still be draft eligible

Isn’t that what Aaron Crow did a few years ago? Turn down the Nats, go to the Indy league, and then get drafted the next year?

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by nycredsfan on Jun 8, 2011 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep.

That was awesome. I’ve never been more proud of Mizzou than when Aaron Crow told Jim Bowden to “suck it”.

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by crolfer on Jun 8, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

You are correct.

As usual, I might add.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jun 8, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

TT, I have a favor to ask if you don't mind

I’m assuming you have a BA subscription which is where a lot of this info is coming from. I’m looking for some scouting reports on some guys for a write-up I’m doing for the MWC site on here. Would you be willing to look them up for me?
Guys are Kevin Cron, Taylor Featherston, and Brandon Meredith. If you can help that would be great!

by pack_fan on Jun 7, 2011 7:39 PM EDT reply actions  

what is this I don't even

Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.

by Cy Schourek on Jun 7, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

What the heck?

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Jun 7, 2011 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looks like it's Dariel Delgado

From Perfect Game USA

Dariel Delgado is a free agent RHP with a 6-0 185 lb. frame from Coral Gables, FL. Medium athletic frame, some present strength. Tall delivery with good hip turn, high 3/4’s to overhand release, nice downhill plane, loose quick arm, stays on line. Upper 80’s fastball, touched 90 mph. Throws three quality off speed pitches. Change up has big tailing action, good feel for locating low in zone, slider has nice sharpness, curveball has big 10/4 sweeping action. Good idea how to pitch.

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jun 7, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fine work as always, TT

"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24

by BK on Jun 7, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

No doubt!

Thanks tons, TT- this is great!

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Jun 8, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am trying to remember the last time I actually read/heard some oneuse the word enthosed corredtly.

Well Done Turtle.

Rick Santorum telling my father [he] doesn't know about torture is like Carrot Top telling Lebron James he doesn't know about basketball." Meghan McCain

by Madville on Jun 10, 2011 2:11 PM EDT reply actions  

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