There is good! There is good! There is untapped good! Like, inside the worst of us, there's good! Reds win, 8-2.
by Brendanukkah on Jun 7, 2011 12:53 AM EDT
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Mike Leake. The refrain over the last several weeks has been that our starting pitching has been sabotaging us. Mike Leake didn't pitch perfectly, but he gave us what we needed: innings. Leake went 8 innings and scattered ten hits, giving up only two runs. Mercifully, the Reds only needed to use one reliever to finish up the game. Honorable mentions go to Jonny Gomes (two hits, a home run, and four RBI) and Jay Bruce (three hits, two doubles, three runs, and an outfield assist).
Key Plays
- Leake began the game shakily. He gave up a single to Kosuke Fukudome, and Darwin Barney grounded into a fielder's choice. Starlin Castro singled and Barney went to third, where he was able to tag up and score on Carlos Pena's sacrifice fly. Cubs lead, 1-0.
- Jay Bruce led off the bottom of the second with a double, and Jonny Gomes singled to bring him in. Miguel Cairo grounded into a double play to snuff out the rally. Game tied, 1-1.
- Drew Stubbs homered in the third inning. Reds lead, 2-1.
- The Reds weren't done. With one out in the fourth, Miguel Cairo walked, Ryan Hanigan singled, and Paul Janish walked. Mike Leake singled to keep the inning alive, and drove in Cairo in the bargain. Drew Stubbs grounded into a force out, but Hanigan scampered home, and Brandon Phillips was out on a soft liner to second. Reds lead, 4-1.
- The Cubs gave the illusion that the game was close, and that Kosuke Fukudome was a good player, when he doubled with one out in the fifth. Darwin Barney's single put him on third, and Starlin Castro hit a sacrifice fly. Reds lead, 4-2.
- Jeff Samardzija pitched the bottom of the fifth and started things out by hitting Joey Votto with a pitch. Jay Bruce doubled, and Jonny Gomes hit a three run homer. Reds lead, 7-2.
- Jay Bruce singled off of James Russell to start the seventh. Then Jonny Gomes was hit by a pitch, and one out later, Ryan Hanigan walked to load the bases. Paul Janish hit a ball to Aramis Ramirez, who mishandled it. Bruce scored and Janish was safe, but Leake grounded into a double play, ending the inning. No matter. Reds win, 8-2.
Other Notes
- Jay Bruce's three hits has him in striking distance of .300. Jonny Gomes's two hits has him in striking distance of .200.
- Gomes only has two home runs since April 17, and both are against the Cubs.
- When Leake pitched a perfect sixth inning, it ended a streak of 19 innings in which Reds pitchers had allowed a baserunner.
- Leake is undefeated since returning from Louisville.
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shouldn't we call him
gentle eyes?
by Red_Poodle on Jun 7, 2011 1:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Masset is Bright Eyes
"At the very end, somebody took a dump right where I stood in the dugout every day." Dusty Baker
why is Masset called "Bright Eyes"?
Somebody should update the wiki!
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Because every now and then he falls apart
by Brendanukkah on Jun 7, 2011 7:54 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
Is this the real reason? If so, that is quite humorous. I approve.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
it's actually (I think)
because he let a Rockies player steal home because he threw to second. So “turn around, bright eyes” seemed to make sense there.
I like Brendan’s interpretation though
by Red_Poodle on Jun 7, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
this is fantastic
well done sir
"Avoid the Clap, Jimmy Dugan. That's good advice!"
Completely irrelevant but ...
The Pirates have a 17-15 road record this year. Last year, they were 17-64 on the road.
The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.
Oh wow.
Leake went 8 innings? And Gomes had a real good game too. Huge props to Leake. He hasn’t been great, but he’s quietly putting together a pretty solid little season for a sop
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
It is surprising
But he has been a huge help this past ten days
by Red_Poodle on Jun 7, 2011 1:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And the Reds are 8-4 when he starts this year
But I’m sure his xFIP is terrible, so he should obviously be sent to Louisville.
/snark
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Edinson Volquez is 3-2, and the team is 6-5 in games he started.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
I was not a proponent of sending him to Louisville either, until he shot his mouth off
At that point he had to go just to send a message to him about being professional.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Henny Youngman's wife?
please?
You should have left that morning, should have left that day
take your love and your child away
Why does someone have to go to Louisville? To "shake things up"?
Because making a ton of laterl (at best) moves for the sake of making moves doesn’t seem productive to me.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
no, because he was pitching terribly
and maybe getting a couple of starts in “low leverage situations” will help him find his control. AAA serves the purpose of teaching young players how to play, allowing big league players to rehab, and allowing young players with previous success who still have the talent to figure out their issues where they aren’t hurting the big league club.
Volquez’s 6.7 BB/9IP is why he needed to go down there, he had 10 big league starts and failed to work on his control, hopefully a couple of low leverage starts have helped him figure out what he was doing in 2008.
I don't argue I correct.
I'm not sure Volquez figured it out down there.
4 BB’s and 2 K’s in his last start? Yeesh.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
i am not so sure either
and i would leave him down there to figure it out. I am guessing he wouldn’t be back so soon if Homer Bailey wasn’t made of glass…
I don't argue I correct.
He has plenty of nicknames already, but can we start calling Homer Elijah Price yet?
And can he move to the closer’s role to save his arm/shoulder/elbow/spleen? I’d be down with an Aroldis for Bailey swap in the offseason.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
if the Reds and their medical staff think it will be best for him
but i don’t know if moving to relief is easier on every pitcher’s arm, it is a different kind of stress.
Plus there is the whole thing about it taking him a long time to warm up.
I don't argue I correct.
I had to look it up
That was a pretty good movie. The last one M Night Shamalamadingdong made before getting really, really annoying.
Or even if I just like such as judged a fish contest that would get me outta the house and in some air.
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Jun 7, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Signs was OK, but I agree. I really liked that movie. It was his last good one.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
I knew it was Elijah but had to look up the last name
Giggled when I saw it was Price.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Imma say Leake hasn't quite turned the corner yet
Ten hits in eight innings means the defense was money and/or luck was on his side.
Not to be down on the guy, but it seems he's been getting it done with
smoke and mirrors the last 3 starts. It’s better than being shelled, but it warrants mentioning.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Bronson Arroyo school of pitching, getting it done with smoke and mirrors since 2004
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Jun 7, 2011 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
he uses different smoke and mirrors though
"I slyde my boehner into sexsalad...."
Sounds like a johnu1 production. --jch24
by GrooveLeg on Jun 7, 2011 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Hard to complain about 1 walk, no HRs, and 11 groundouts
He’s always going to need some luck and help from his defense to do well, but this was encouraging.
by ken on Jun 7, 2011 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Yabbit
You have to admit that allowing 11 baserunners in 8 innings is playing with fire. This game easily turns ugly under not-very-different circumstances. If a quarter of those groundouts squeeze through it’s a much tighter score, and we’d be getting into the bullpen again.
yes
It was the Cubs, or he’d probably have gotten burned.
But that’s the kind of pitcher he is. He’s always in and out of trouble. Put the good gloves behind him, and hope for the best.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
11 baserunners in 8 innings isn't terrible. Especially when most of those were on hits.
As long as he’s not putting guys on via walk, and getting ground balls, he’ll be OK.
BABIP on ground balls is typically very low. And even hits on groundballs are overwhemingly singles.
Plus, the Cubs BABIP as a team last night was .333, so it’s not like the Reds were lucky, or the Cubs unlucky.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
top 40 whip
Carl Pavano is 40 w/a 1.38
11 hits in 8 innings = 1.38.
You should have left that morning, should have left that day
take your love and your child away
also happens to be spot on his season WHIP (1.38)
You should have left that morning, should have left that day
take your love and your child away
hmm
9 starts, 7 quality starts. 2 Eric Milton starts.
\and a shoplifting
You should have left that morning, should have left that day
take your love and your child away
eh
You take the good, you take the bad…
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Sure, but most groundballs turn into outs
The NL batting average on groundballs is .235 this year, compared to .719 for line drives. There’s some problems with hit classifications, but in general it’s much easier for the defense to convert groundballs into outs compared to line drives.
Leake’s never going to miss a ton of bats. If he minimizes his walks and HRs, a lot of balls will be in play. He’s always going to rely on his defense and luck more than most pitchers. But if he induces a good amount of grounders, he can be successful. Last night sounds like (I didn’t catch any of the game) a quintessential Mike Leake-type outing, in a good way.
To add to that
He’s also the most pitch efficient pitcher on the staff. So if the grounders aren’t finding holes, he can easily give you 7-8 innings on a regular basis.
Johnny Cueto may be a better pitcher but he’ll never be able to do that.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
if we stopped pussy footing with these million dollar "athletes" and let them get stronger and throw 150 pitches
he could.
I don't argue I correct.
I think he could be around 7K/9
that’s not really relying on luck and defense more than most pitchers
HR are important
because he allows so many base runners. Thom mentioned this on the broadcast, but in games when he keeps the ball in the park, his ERA is around 1.50. When he gives up at least 1 HR (and he’s never given up more than 2 HR in a start), his ERA is near 7.00. It’s likely that he’s getting hit hard on non-HR the same night he gives up HR, but that data makes me think that when he’s wild in the zone is when he has the most problems. His bad outings seem to correlate more to giving up bombs than walks.
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19 straight innings allowing a baserunner!!!
WOW!!! that’s awful!
"To me, boxing is like a ballet, except there's no music, no choreography, and the dancers hit each other." - Jack Handey
i wouldnt worry too much
at least these next two games. great the reds one this one where the pitching matchup seemed to favor the cubs the most. Dempster has sucked for the Cubs this year, way worse than Arroyo has for us. And Doug Davis is their #5 starter. I have a good feeling about these next two
Unfortunately, I think Edinson Volquez might be our #6 starter at this point.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
#8 starter?
How many starters have we had this year?
Why are you working the permit's desk, and why was that child clubbing your nuggets? ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Jun 7, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I found my Reds hat today...the Reds won
Coincidence? I think not!
Never, ever, EVER lose that hat again
Actually no, lose it every day, and then find it again!
agree with the choice of Leake
Though MLB.com picked Jonny.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I nearly picked that photo
But then I wanted to go with a caption that fit the headline, and the one that made the most sense to me was Bronson. And as I said, Gomes might have done more to win the game, but Leake gave us what we needed most.
I said the same in the game thread
Leake is the right pick.
I like the title and caption. My dad is a fan of Broadway musicals, and loves West Side Story. I narrowly escaped being named “Maria.” (Mom put her foot down.)
But it might be better suited to a Mets game. “When you’re a Met there’s no fans at the gate ‘cause the best thing they’ve seen is Dave Cone masturbate…”
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Plus it was Game 61 and Bronson's jersey number is 61
Either that was a crazy coincidence or you planned that like a genious.
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose: it's how drunk you get. ~Homer Simpson
by Hawkeyegirl96 on Jun 7, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Umm. . .genius
Sweet merciful crap. What a word to misspell.
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose: it's how drunk you get. ~Homer Simpson
by Hawkeyegirl96 on Jun 7, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
very refreshing to see a Reds starter go 8
like was said above, a shaky 8, but he was able to pitch around all that trouble, with a little help from boneheads on the base paths. nevertheless, kudos to that young man.
Re: Gomes. apparently that Cubs pitcher didn’t get the scouting report. you throw Jonny nothing but sliders that break off the plate. Jonny has the last laugh, ha ha!
even if it was the Cubs, well done Reds. Keep ’er going.
"I love working on Saturdays!" - Some Liar
by Howie Feltersnatch on Jun 7, 2011 8:58 AM EDT reply actions
dishpits
facebook friend is creaming for Jonny to start because he likes his swing and thinks he is going to come through and bat the same numbers. Same guy thinks Bruce is having a lucky streak and it might be time to sit him.
You should have left that morning, should have left that day
take your love and your child away
Also
that bruce kid is pretty good. Where did we get him?
Since the day he last sat out (5/18?):
18 games
31 for 76
16 runs
31 hits
4 doubles
1 triple
9 homers
22 rbi
7 walks
15 k
0 / 1 S/CS
.408 batting average
.457 rough OBP (can’t find hbp etc…)
.842 slugging
1.2999 OPS – rough
You should have left that morning, should have left that day
take your love and your child away
Yep- the league leader in home runs.
It’s obviously not talent! That’s for sure!
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
Funny, I cream every time Bruce plays lately
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
... but it wouldn't be very funny?
by Brian B on Jun 8, 2011 8:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Gomes had as many HR and more RBI last night than he had since May 1
In his defense, his BABIP is .223, against a career average of .292
If he were BABIPing at his career level, he would be hitting about .235, which isn’t great, but combined with 25 walks and 8 HR in 181 PA it’s not that bad. That would translate to something like 25 HR and 80 walks over a full season, which would make him sort of a junior-level Adam Dunn.
Of course, his defense is turrible, and he can only play LF, and the Reds have several younger players who probably could give at least equal value (Heisey, Frazier, Alonso, Sappelt), so he should still probably go. But I do think he has been a bit unlucky, and not completelty worthless.
Or even if I just like such as judged a fish contest that would get me outta the house and in some air.
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Jun 7, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
The thing is, until last night, he's been hitting almost exclusively ground balls and pop ups
Tough to have a good BABIP when that’s what you are putting into play.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
how about Janish?
Is there anything to Hal’s contention that he was just unlucky in that recent bad stretch?
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
who asked you, dickbreath?
I want Justin007000 back!
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on Jun 7, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
Time until this comment goes green? Over/under of 15 more minutes
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I have to rec it.
The use of dickbreath was too hilarious.
Why are you working the permit's desk, and why was that child clubbing your nuggets? ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Jun 7, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I wasn't paying attention to every game
but it kind of felt like he really wasn’t seeing the ball well at the beginning of that stretch, but then he improved and was hitting it hard, just at people.
Still not a candidate.
thanks, all
Just curious. I did figure that Janish might be the type of hitter who always appears “unlucky” on BABIP.
And much as I respect Hall of Famer Hal, he’s…well…you know. Blind.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
fangraphs
has some data to look at but my impression of the bad period for Janish was that he was flying out weakly and popping out alot. I’d say recently he seems tobe having better at bats, but what really needs to happen is for his walk rate to increase. That is somethign that has fallen off a fair amount for him.
Yeah, I'd agree. 20% of his fly balls are pop ups
And from watching him, I’d say the 23% line drive rate is misleading because a lot of those are those soft liners that often turn into outs.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
Having watched him regularly
(not that it makes me an expert by any means), but he pops up a lot and his line drives are typically of the soft variety. It seems to me to be very rare when he hits it hard at someone. I thought he had a shot at being a .250-260 hitter, but I haven’t seen anything yet this year that makes me think that. It’s just so rare that he ever hits the ball hard.
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Welcome to the dark side, Slyder
I’ll have obc grab you a beer and ’tHan put on a Jimmy Buffet CD for ya.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I'm not on that side
I just don’t believe that he’s been unlucky. I also don’t believe that the Reds have anyone that will necessarily significantly outplay him. I think Cozart would be a better option, but he doesn’t have the kind of talent that makes me think he’ll automatically be a major upgrade over Janish.
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We gave you directions to the entrance but you ended up at the cane rental place down the street
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I can't tell if you misspelled canoe, or if there's a place that actually rents canes
Which would be fabulous.
rent cane is an anagram for entrance
They can’t all be gold….
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Janish made web gems and top ten plays
I was at the game last night and it was no less impressive in person. I’m glad Janish got some recognition!
Tony Campana
(the guy Janish threw out) has crazy speed. They said he played for the University of Cincinnati and grew up near Cincinnati (Springboro) so he’s kind of a local boy. I couldn’t believe how fast he flew down the line. I think he might be faster than Stubbs, even.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
yeah he is really fast
and has done ok against us so far. I remember in his debut at GABP bat he hit a double. Hopefully he continues to succeed and get more playing time and with the Cubs being so bad I’m pretty sure he will
I think he's going to be making the ALS team.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
It stands for "Annoying Little Shit"
It is a little known fact, but Lou Gehrig was actually murdered by Max Bishop
Or even if I just like such as judged a fish contest that would get me outta the house and in some air.
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Jun 7, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Mike, give us a big ol' smile
FFFF (click) uggoff
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You should have left that morning, should have left that day
take your love and your child away
He stole that smile from someone.
Why are you working the permit's desk, and why was that child clubbing your nuggets? ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Jun 7, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
From William H. Macy, obviously
Or even if I just like such as judged a fish contest that would get me outta the house and in some air.
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Jun 7, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
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