A Jekyll and Hyde pitching staff (Advantage: Hyde)
Cheer up, it's a 30-30 season. If I remember correctly, that's a good thing in baseball. Unless we're talking about the record of a team in its follow-up a division championship - or the ratio of innings pitched between Homer Bailey and Logan Ondrusek. In the case of the tire-spinning Reds, I think the latter stat has a lot to say about the former.
30-30 is not a terrible place to be, especially since it also means that a team has 102 games left to play. There have been plenty of mitigating factors that partially explain the mediocrity. The last 30 days have been marked by bad luck, injuries and roster madness. But at least some of this misfortune is happening around the margins.
One indicator is the way the team has performed against theoretically inferior competition so far. 2-7 against PIttsburgh and LA and just a few games above .500 against .500-and-below teams they dominated last year. But this is an imperfect explanation. The Reds are also 11-4 against the Cardinals and Brewers, both of which are ahead of them in the standings. And they've performed well against some of the elite pitchers in the NL - Halladay, Marcum and Kershaw.
The reason for the seizing should be painfully obvious - there's a pretty massive gap between the quality of the pitching and quality of the offense. The Reds are tied for first in the NL in runs scored (with St. Louis) and second MLB-wide to the Yankees. A scan of offensive leaders has Votto or Bruce in the Top 5 in AVG, HR, RBI, OBP and SLG, with Stubbs knocking on the door in SBs. Meanwhile, the team is 3rd last in the NL (which is also 3rd last in the Central) in runs allowed, which is good for 5th last in the majors. The Reds are also allowing the 4th-most base runners in the NL, with a team WHIP of 1.384, and leading the NL in walks. When you wash the run scoring with the run prevention, it's not at all surprising the team is sitting at .500.
But the pitching has not been uniformly bad, which gives rise to the hope that this is a fixable problem. Trim the fat, wait for a positive regression, and the pitching will get to a tolerable level. This seems like a plausible strategy in the bullpen, which has been at least a little worse than it seems. The 'pen's 3.53 ERA (vs. 3.41 NL average) is just above league average and so is the 1.366 WHIP (1.307 NL average). Periodic blow-ups notwithstanding, the top 4 - Cordero, Ondrusek, Bray and Arredondo - have been great. But they've only pitched 92.1 of 209.1 relief innings. The Reds have pitched full 33 more innings than the league average bullpen load (176.1).
Meanwhile, they've gotten 51 mediocre-to-terrible innings from Masset, Maloney, Smith, Chapman and Thompson. I have to think regression will be helpful here, mostly as a function of recovering from a bruising May. We don't know how deep Chapman's issues run; regardless, the team never expected to throw this many relief innings or crew up in June with Horst Reineke and Fisher. Masset, meanwhile, has been bad. But he's also pitched 7 more innings this season than he had on this date last year. And on June 6th of last year, he entered a game with a 6.94 ERA. He ended the season at a respectable 3.40. He may need to step down the leverage ladder a little, but I still think he's going to be OK.
The larger point is that bullpen will only reduce its workload with better starting pitching. And the team will win more averaging nearly 5 runs/g by not starting out 3 runs in the hole (whether literally, in the 1st inning, or statistically). The food is bad here - and such large portions. The Reds two best pitchers to date, Cueto and Bailey, have pitched the fewest number of innings out of the Top Six starters. And one of them is injured. Cueto and Bailey, combined, are allowed about 2.5 runs per 9 innings, one runner and inning and less than a HR/9. The rest of the rotation is all north of a 5.00 ERA, with Mike Leake boasting the highest ERA+ at 77.
The biggest lift the staff is likely to get in the immediate future is simply having Cueto, Bailey and Volquez take a greater share of innings. This assumes Bailey gets healthy and Volquez returns to at least a 2010 version of himself. If they combined to average just 6.0 per start and a 3.50 ERA, with the bullpen holding steady at its current 3.50 ERA and the other two starters down to a plausible 5.00 ERA, the Reds could start allowing almost one less run per game. Which would put them right back into the thick of the race, winning at least as often as the Cardinals. Reducing runs allowed in the first inning alone, from a 7.35 ERA to 4.65 (the more modest 6th inning ERA), would - according to Pythag - give the Reds another two wins.
These are all big leaps to make. But the Reds have only to get Bailey back, start meditating before games and watch what happens. Hopefully, they get at least a month to data before the July trade deadline.
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I think I'm ready to join the camp...
that says enough of this bullpen foolishness for Aroldis. Keep him in Louisville. Let him start for the next few months. Call him up in later summer to join the rotation. This team needs top quality starters or it will never truly compete. If Cueto, Volquez and Chapman aren’t ready to be top line pitchers in the next couple of years, then another era of Reds will come and go with little to show for it.
The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!
good thought
Chapman may take longer than this year (or even two) to become the top quality starter we need, but at this point, what do we have to lose? It’s not the pen that needs help. It’s worth a shot.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Well, it's the pen that needs help too.
At this rate, their arms are going to all fall off from overuse by August. But I’m not sure Chapman is the cure for that. Might as well use this already wasted year and see if he can get better at starting.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
I was just in the car for a brief moment and was listening to Lance McCallister
(probably my first mistake), and he was in full freakout mode. I’m not quite ready for that yet. As mentioned in this post, there are still over 100 games left to be played and we are still winning as much as we are losing. The Phils were 7.5 games back last year way later in the season and ended up with the best record in the NL, and we’ve seen Rockies teams time and time again go on a tear and erase huge deficits later in the season. I agree that a lot of the problems we have seen can be corrected by Bailey and Volquez coming back and giving quality starts and for Cueto to keep on keeping on. I can’t believe that Walt, Bob and Dusty are happy with a .500 club and I look forward to something being done to correct the problem.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
lance has become a caricature
Id rather listen to The Bulldog give people oracle status.
The best sports talk host in town is Ken Broo, hands down. Makes a fella proud to be a Bobcat!
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
by Ewok on Jun 6, 2011 3:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
this is 5 front page posts in the same day with game threads still to come
i appreciate the effort that goes into this content, but can we spread it out a bit or save it for off days?
Here's the password to my account
It’ll be more efficient for you to just get in there and make the desired changes:
screen name: RijoSaboCaseyWKRP
“weredoingagoodjob4prettymuchnomoneyandyourecomplainingbecauseyouhavetoomanytabsopeninyourbrowser”
"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jun 6, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
too much original content!
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Seriously! At this rate 'tHan will never know which thread has the beer discussion or rally cleavage in it!
*Note: I kind of agree, just making a joke. Don’t lower my xFLiP even more!
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
i'm just saying, that's a lot of content
i know you & bk worked hard on your farmer’s only today & it should have a longer shelf life.
it got buried very quickly
bring more content!
I think there should be a pregame thread evert day where the majority of hijinks could be centered.
I also would like to see a ticket exchange fanpost always on the page. It would be nice to see unused tickets not go unused. Hell, give em away if necessary.
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
by Ewok on Jun 6, 2011 4:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Today happens to be an usually reflective day for the Reds with a lot of news/views floating around
And it’s also MLB Draft day. And we got a series preview from Justin, which is a new thing that’s being worked in. And it’s Monday, which has traditionally been a pretty fertile day. I agree it’s a lot of content, but I think that’s almost always a good thing.
The Farmer’s Only was great. If you feel like it was unfairly buried, let’s not have that out here.
"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jun 6, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
fuck tHAn
Ever since he went to st louis he’s been a whiny little bitch!
I think his newly formed peace treaty with nycredsfan is clousing his judgment.
Mo content mo better!
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
by Ewok on Jun 6, 2011 4:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed...I mean who complains about too much Reds content?
Sounds like a Cards fan for sure! :)
We need Brandon Larson to Play 3rd! Can't be worse than Rentawreck, right?!?
by BiggerRedMachines on Jun 6, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Yet no one asked me for my story
Wah.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
still waiting for your six flags recap
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
by Ewok on Jun 6, 2011 4:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Still waiting for a RR BBQ Tour from you
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I want people to read the FO/Farmers Market
It’s consistently superb. And no one out there is doing what BK and nyc are doing. Especially the kind of analysis that went up today.
We’re just very productive right now and I hope people will enjoy the site for that reason too.
"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jun 6, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
sure there are other people doing what bk & nyc are doing
people have been stealing their content for years!
I've already made a template of their work for use on my new website, futballandfalafel.com
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
It's a niche site about minor league soccer and bland food
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Farmer's Only is the main reason I started reading this site.
It’s a very concise and well written way to stay up-to-date on Reds news that doesn’t make the headlines. Kudos to the authors.
by Palace of the Fans on Jun 6, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
The Reds
actually have more runs scored than the Yankees now. The Yankees have been scoring 3 and 5 runs and winning, while the Reds were scoring 8 and 6 runs and losing.
You’d think it would an AL team with the most runs scored, but no, it’s Cards first, Reds second. A reflection of the pitching in the NL Central, maybe?
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
That's not true on a per-game basis
at least according to Baseball Reference. But the NL Central pitching (and defense to an extent) is pretty bad. The three worst RA in the NL are all in the central.
"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jun 6, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
If we really want to construct a Jekyll and Hyde staff, we need to draft Robert Stephenson tonight
by ken on Jun 6, 2011 3:47 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
This comment should have green'd a long time ago
For shame, Red Reporters.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 6, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Clever literary reference AND a correct draft forecast
I regret that I have but one rec to give.
"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jun 6, 2011 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's tonight's lineup. Someone look at that and tell me we couldn't improve the offense from within:
Stubbs
BP
Votto
Bruce
Gomes
Cairo
Hanigan
Janish
Leake
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
I mean, seriously. Get through the top half of the order and that is the definition of smooth sailing for the opposing pitcher.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
Ahh yes, a fairly tough RH starter on the mound for the Cubs tonight.
Why wouldn’t we see Jonny Gomes in there?
Calmer than you are.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Jun 6, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
What the hell? He’s started two games in two weeks.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 6, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
i think he has paul janishitis
The more AB he sees the more he will regress.
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
by Ewok on Jun 6, 2011 4:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Free YonderAlonso/ToddFrazier/DevinMesoraco/ZackCozart!
But hey, Walt swapped Chad Reineke with Daryl Thompson…We’re saved!
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
Dusty is "saving" Heisey for some other "games"
I think he decided he was cuter than Janish, so he let Paul out of the box and put Heisey in.

Or even if I just like such as judged a fish contest that would get me outta the house and in some air.
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Jun 6, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Cairo again?
Rolen must be really sick, or injured.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Followup of a division championship blah blah blah...
Whatever.
Last year we were a slightly above .500 team who had a little luck and a really bad team in their division. We got our asses kicked in the first round of the playoffs.
This year, we’re a slightly above .500 team who’s had a little bad luck and better division opponents.
We’ll end up about the same place as last year. Probably win the division, but not by as much because both Pittsburgh and Milwaukee are substantially better teams. And then get our asses kicked in the first round of the playoffs (hopefully not as badly). We’re on the cusp- just barely good enough to make the playoffs, not good enough to make a serious run.
We need some our starters to get healthy and pitch better, but most of them are young, and I have faith in them. But that’s not really enough to change what we are. For fuck’s sake, we have a 5-5 record when Volquez starts, and he as a 6.35ERA. If he pitches the rest of the season at a 4.50ERA, how much better than a .500 record is that going to be?
Dusty’s got to make a choice. Do we do it again- win the division, get our butts handed to us in the playoffs, lather, rinse, repeat? Or do we go the other way- bring up Frazier, Alonso, Cozart, and Mesoroco, trade away Rolen, CMM, Renterria, and Cairo, and find out if those kids have what it takes to be big league every day players? Likewise, instead of putting our best 5 in as the starters, put Volquez and Leake (and maybe Wood) in the minors where they can learn more about pitching, even if that means a few more losses?
I think the answer is complicated. If we win the division again, we’ll probably sell a lot more tickets next year, which means that we can afford a better class of free agents. More starts by Maloney and Reinecke likely means even more work by a beleaguered bullpen.
I don’t know the answer. But I don’t think what’s happening now is unexpected.
I like our strategy right now
of putting all of our money toward signing our core of good young players. This means that our improvement will be gradual, not an overnight or one offseason event. If the AAA guys will not see regular starts I’m OK with them down there for now. They’ll see time in September, and I’m sure some of the older guys will depart in the offseason and at least two of the AAA studs will be regulars here next season.
by Palace of the Fans on Jun 6, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
best and worst jimmy buffett song hijack topic
I think most people like Margaritaville best, but few loyal Parrotheads mark that as their personal favorite.
The worst of his hits, hands down, is Grapefruit Juicy Fruit.
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
by Ewok on Jun 6, 2011 3:59 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I like
I also like “Cheeseburger In Paradise” (because you never realize how good a hamburger is until you live in a country that doesn’t have them).
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Completely unrelated, of course
but the Continental Presidents Club at National is surprisingly shitty.
Still not a candidate.
That sounds like the worst rental car customer loyalty program ever
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
That's because you're at National
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
And I think it's in the oldest terminal.
It kind of seems like it was really grand decades ago, but then they had to close the roof access for security reasons and they long ago stopped replacing the flooring…
Still not a candidate.
This only works once, but it works once
Janish starts the game and gives up the obligatory 3 runs, then moves to shortstop while the regular starter comes in to relieve (ah, relief!) … doesn’t matter who starts the game at SS since all the hits will be fly balls to the warning track (or worse).
The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.
In more refreshing news from D.C.,
Weiner admits he wagged but thinks admitting to it will pay off in election.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_congressman_twitter_photo
The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.
lying scuzzball
He should quit, on the grounds of stupidity.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
There are a whole raft of sleazy fuckers associated with this made-for-Yahoo yarn
The Daily Kos may be the worst.
The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.
I was amused that he was still earlier today saying ...
… he didn’t send the picture but couldn’t be absolutely certain it was him IN the photo. Well, gee … that’s explainable.
The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.
Means he sent it to somebody else, and they forwarded it?
Somebody said in a comment elsewhere “Everybody does it, but I’m upset he lied about it”.
Really? I’m the only guy left who hasn’t taken a pick of his Wiener and sent it off to some girl half his age? Is this like roller blades and moon boots? Am I that tragically unhip?
huh?
Isn’t Daily Kos just a blog?
Heck, isn’t SB Nation part of their network, or something?
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
There are so many worse than Daily Kos
Not that DK isn’t a bad choice for one of the worst
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
Eh, if David Vitter can stay in, I think we can let Weiner slide
Besides, he’s really funny
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
Andrew Breitbart for one!
But not David Vitter – unless Weiner all of a sudden confesses to wearing diapers and visiting prostitutes
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
good post
i’m optimistic about Arroyo as well. The guy has had excellent numbers after the All Star Break and seems to really turn it on during that time. Not an elite pitcher, but an excellent innings eater.
Could our pitching staff have anything to do with our problems?
This feels like the 2009 team all over again

































