Logan's Lament: Reds lead through seven, then lose in eleven to the Dodgers, 11-8.
by Gray on Jun 4, 2011 8:34 PM EDT
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This one has to go to future Red Matt Kemp, who went 3 for 5 with 2 HRs (one a grand slam) and a walk.
Honorable mentions to Johnny Cueto (7 IP, 5 H, 1 BB, 2 ER) and Joey Votto (2 for 4 with a HR and a walk).
Key Plays
- The Reds offense looked pretty bad in the first five innings against Clayton Kershaw. In that time he saw fifteen batters, giving up a Votto single that was erased by a CS--and striking out nine. In that time, the Dodgers managed one run against Johnny Cueto.
- But the Reds had more luck in the sixth. Ramon Hernandez led off with a single, and after Paul Janish flied out, Cueto bunted him to second. Drew Stubbs drew a walk, then Brandon Phillips singled to score Ramon. Oh, and Joey Votto next hit one out to right to score three more. Reds lead, 4-1.
- Matt Kemp led off the seventh with a HR, then the next three Dodgers went down in order. Reds still lead, 4-2.
- The Reds piled on in the bottom of the inning. Jay Bruce led off with a single. After Gomes flied out, Ramon walked. Janish then singled to right, and Mark Berry sent Jay Bruce home. A good throw beat him by quite a bit. And then a pinch hit single by Chris Heisey and a Stubbs double scored three more. Reds lead, 7-2.
- Nick Masset made his 31st appearance of the season in the eighth. After striking out Dioner Navarro, he gave up three consecutive singles. He was pulled for Bill Bray, making his 30th appearance of the season. Bray walked the only batter he faced. He, in turn, was pulled for Logan Ondrusek (31st appearance), who promptly gave up a Matt Kemp grand slam. The game was then tied at 7.
- The Reds threatened in the ninth, with a one-out single by Ramon Hernandez. Mike Leake came in to run for him, but Janish fouled out and Heisey flied out to send it to extras.
- Which reminds me: after that mess of an eighth inning, Jose Arredondo and Francisco Cordero each pitched a scoreless inning. But of course Carlos Fisher was next, and he didn't pitch so well. He gave up a leadoff single, and that runner was bunted over. Another single put runners on the corners with one out. Two more singles scored another two runs. The announcers said maybe Bruce should have thrown home on the second one, where he might have had an out, but I didn't see it so I can't say for sure. Regardless, the next batter was Andre Ethier, who grounded to Fisher. It looked like a double play ball, but Fisher threw it into center field, scoring another run and leaving two men on base. The next play was a grounder to Votto, who got the runner at second . . . but Fisher didn't bother to cover first so they didn't get that out.
- Finally, Dusty replaced Fished with Jeremy Horst, his last available pitcher. After a balk, he got James Loney to fly out. Stubbs made a nice catch to end the threat, but the Dodgers had scored four.
- Three singles, two groundouts and a flyout in the bottom of the inning added up to one run for the Reds. Reds lose, 11-8.
Other Notes
- As has been mentioned previously, the Reds bullpen has been heavily used. They lead the NL in IP, in case you've forgotten.
- And once again, Dusty used every pitcher in the bullpen tonight. As of yesterday, nine pitchers in the NL had 29 or more appearances. Three of those are Reds relievers. All three pitched tonight.
- Yeah, I know this doesn't help much, but the Reds scored a lot of runs off of Kershaw. Even after this game, his ERA is 3.05, but they scored 6 runs in 6 and 2/3 innings off of him.
- Oh, and this.
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This was such fucking bullshit
From what I can tell from occasional glances at the score throughout the course of the game.
That is an impressive
FanGraph™.
Also impressive: the number of different fonts that I managed to use in the recap.
Still not a candidate.
Kinda looks like the Matterhorn
"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jun 4, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
they went biggest to smallest
"I slyde my boehner into sexsalad...."
Sounds like a johnu1 production. --jch24
The pen blew this one
Cueto did fine. And eight runs should be enough to win, dammit.
I also can’t help wondering how things might have gone if Bruce had been held up rather than sent home on Janish’s hit.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I have a ridiculous love/hate relationship with Dusty and this team.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
Dusty ain't so bad...
But you cannot lose games like Today’s and expect to be in the race in September.
Rick Santorum telling my father [he] doesn't know about torture is like Carrot Top telling Lebron James he doesn't know about basketball." Meghan McCain
I agree, this pen was blowing huge leads last year as well, none of which Dusty pitched in.
"The Reds have started 2011 the way they ended 2010!"
I don't think the pen is that bad
They’re just massively overworked because the starting pitching has been terrible.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Agreed, starting pitching has been bad
But, why is it convenient to assume the bullpen is overworked because they melted down once, and when they were not overworked tonight?
by Jack Armstrong started an All Star Game on Jun 4, 2011 9:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
maybe it's just a fluke
Relief pitching is such a crapshoot.
But you gotta figure…leading MLB in innings pitched is going to come back to bite you eventually.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
But you'd think the biting occurs from injury, not a bad game.
Even Ty Cobb stuck out occasionally.
by Jack Armstrong started an All Star Game on Jun 4, 2011 10:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
But he always beat up someone after each strike out
Rick Santorum telling my father [he] doesn't know about torture is like Carrot Top telling Lebron James he doesn't know about basketball." Meghan McCain
Not sure how you let Kemp beat you, if he walks it's still just 7-4 with some lesser shmo coming up.
"The Reds have started 2011 the way they ended 2010!"
Reminiscent of that Pujols AB last year.
That was last year, right? When we led by three with the bases loaded?
Still not a candidate.
Don't forget
The Manny GS off of Masset last year or the year before. The Reds sure know how to let the big guys beat’em.
"This is the St. Louis Cardinals we're talking about. They suck. Screw them. With a shovel. The sharp metal end. And then set them on fire." - crolfer
by rorschach1979 on Jun 4, 2011 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
That really isn’t excusable. Not to fuel johnu’s fire, but I think that’s a situation where you really need to have the pitching coach come out there and tell you that if you walk this guy, so be it. Just don’t let him beat you.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
conrad GS off of Cordero last year
is what i remember so much of blowing big leads
"I love working on Saturdays!" - Some Liar
by Howie Feltersnatch on Jun 4, 2011 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
also the phillies series
where Coco blow up, Reds being up 3 or 4 going into the bottom o’9 for that one.
"I love working on Saturdays!" - Some Liar
by Howie Feltersnatch on Jun 4, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
that was a pretty bad AB from Lurch (is that an AB for a pitcher? I can't think of what you would call that)
wild on both pitches and left it right over the plate for him on the second one. Just terrible really, last thing you should do there. Gotta be ready when you come into the game big fella.
if dusty wants to use somebody with experience, send up arrendondo in the 8th ...
even if we make a late season run we might not have massett/bray/logan if they continue to be used with five run leads …
… please do not mistake that for a “dusty ruins arms by overusing them” comment. that’s not what i’m going for.
"And a high fly ball to center field. He hit it a ton. And the 2010 National League Central Division Champs are the Cincinnati Reds!"
No, I get what you're saying.
It’s more of a mismanagment than an overmanagement.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
Maybe this will be a turning point
like that Braves game last year.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Louisville going into extras
Todd Frazier was ejected in the 7th. Arguing balls and strikes, I would guess. He was replaced in LF by Mike Griffin.
Not much left in Louisville for pitching. Wood and Reineke up next. Pity the poor pen.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Brent Clevlen with the walkoff homer
He had a good game. 3 for 5 with 2 HRs.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Fuck that game. I'm still gonna dance!
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Jun 4, 2011 9:45 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Shake a fuckin' leg Pops !!!
Rick Santorum telling my father [he] doesn't know about torture is like Carrot Top telling Lebron James he doesn't know about basketball." Meghan McCain
The Fayplacement
reports that Edgar Renteria was unavailable today, due to “back tightness.”
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
And I believe he was the only Red besides Arroyo, Wood and Reineke
not to play tonight. Even Leake was in the game!
Still not a candidate.
He meant 'Bat Tightness'
We ain;’t go no SS who cans hit
Rick Santorum telling my father [he] doesn't know about torture is like Carrot Top telling Lebron James he doesn't know about basketball." Meghan McCain
Maybe he pulled something fucking over the Reds for the past 2 months
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Jun 5, 2011 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Doesn't make it any easier to stomach
But this kind of loss was bound to happen. The MLB’s hard-workingest bullpen also featured some unsustainably low ERAs.
Fisher definitely blew the goodwill he’d built up with the error and the not covering first. But late and close (or tied) is not where you want to keep using the low man in your bullpen. He keeps getting thrown to the wolves, so I can’t help but feel sympathetic.
There’s really no excuse to use any reliever for just one batter, especially in an overworked bullpen that needs to distribute the workload as evenly as possible.
"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jun 4, 2011 10:18 PM EDT reply actions
I reeeally haven't been paying attention lately.
I could’ve sworn Fisher got DL’d or sent back down at some point.
by the finest muffins on Jun 4, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
This is probably the right approach
Though hopefully you woke up for Game 3 of the Brewers series.
"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jun 4, 2011 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I will hold on to that memory
it may over power some of these negative ones. This season has punched us all in the gut too many times too early
He was sent down in a numbers thing.
and got brought right back up when Maloney went down. I think. I don’t know. There was like 20 moves made in a 4 day period.
I now understand all the complaining about these stupid Fox Saturday games.
I went to a bar with a few friends to watch the Reds game only to find that, even with their usual magic ability to play any baseball game anywhere, they couldn’t get this one.
This was a pretty weird game to follow only via text messaged score updates. 1-0 for what seemed like forever, then 1-1, then really quickly 7-7. Bizarre.
I was really hoping the Reds would be undefeated in June. Oh well….
by the finest muffins on Jun 4, 2011 10:54 PM EDT reply actions
I honestly had a bad feeling
when I heard we were up 7-2. This team needs to losen that curse quickly. We cannot hold a big lead and I think it is at least partly mental. Atlanta 2010 devastated the psyche of this team when it comes to big leads and I’m convinced of it
People overstate that game way too much.
These are professional players who’ve played for the majority of their lives. That game wasn’t the first time they lost in such a fashion. If it damaged them so much…why didn’t they completely unfold when the same events in SF unfolded a few weeks later? They just went on and put that “Atlanta Game” on a shelf and handled the SF game in a proper fashion.
The fans are the ones who can’t shake that game.
by KSE on Jun 5, 2011 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions
the fact is htough
tehy did blow a giant lead against the Giants in August. They managed to save it on the power of a four hit game by Votto. There othe rbig leads they blew and lost the game, though. Remember that game in Philly last July when Leake picthed beautifully and we had a big lead and the thing unraveled into another walk off loss? We blew a big lead against the Cardnials in the last game of a series earlier this year thankfully w emanaged to hold on to win.
I wanted to beiieve that was just one game but the scenario has unfolded repeatedly since
Why was Cueto pulled?
I know it was a hot day, but why did he pull Cueto after 7? I didn’t get to see the game on tv because we have Dish network and Fox was showing the Cardinals & Cubs, which made me want to take a ball bat to our dish! His pitch count after 7 was only 89. Why didn’t he at least give him a shot at the 8th? Especially if the bullpen was that run down. Was Cueto out of gas or something?
Cueto didn't seem to be out of gas
Though he did give up that homer to Kemp at the top of the 7th. Maybe they didn’t want to push him, seeing as he’s coming back from an injury, but I think the real reason was they didn’t want to miss a scoring opportunity.
Bottom of the 7th: Bruce singled, Gomes flew out, Ramon walked, Janish singled. Mark “Windmill” Berry sent Bruce from 2nd to home, and Jay was thrown out at the plate. Janish and Ramon moved up on the throw. So Cueto came to bat with runners on 2nd and 3rd, 2 outs. The score was 4-2 Reds – still a very close game.
At the time, it seemed sensible to pinch-hit Heisey for Cueto. And it seemed to pay off. Heisey singled, scoring Janish and Ramoan. Stubbs doubled, scoring Hi-Z. Pulling Cueto resulted in 3 runs in a game where runs were expected to be scarce. That made the score was 7-2. Who knew the pen would be unable to hold that lead?
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I think it was the right call
You have a chance to extend the lead with a pinch hitter, your starter gave you seven innings, and the strategy pays off in that you scored more runs. The bullpen should absolutely be able to give you two innings where you don’t give up 5 runs. This one’s on them.
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Jun 5, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
it wasn't a bad call
i probably would have left Cueto in, given how over worked the bullpen has been though.
I don't argue I correct.
tough one, no question
watched the archived game and now I want to kill Jamie Carroll and Aaron Miles with a shovel. Lurch did not look ready for that AB, and Fisher looked completely lost. Hard one to swallow but thats baseball. I’m not sure why Horst is in the even in the pen if he’s not going to be used ahead of fisher (why is it him instead of Smith anyway? LH yeah yeah yeah, but still). If you are using your long man before your last guy in the pen there is a problem.
expectations
Had last year not happened, I’d be really excited about where this team is right now.
When you come to the fork in the road, take it.
by poojols on Jun 5, 2011 8:56 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
for the second time today (but first on RR), i can honestly say
Poo, ya just made me feel a lot better about things!
No problem, fuckweasel! - jch24
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jun 5, 2011 10:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Unfortunately I have to tell myself that almost every day.
The fact is that the Cards are salty after last year, and the Brewers are much better now. The Reds can’t fall far behind in the race or they won’t have much of a shot later. It’s not as much this one game that I’m worried about, it’s that the ‘pen is in such bad shape, there are only 2 starting pitchers who are showing they can go deep into games and rest the ’pen, there’s no real long man in there (no, Fisher doesn’t count) and quite a few of the hitters are slumping; we can’t seem to have two or three hitters put together a hot streak at the same time. So I’m concerned, even though it’s only June. You need to start streaking at some point in the year to beat the Brewers or the Cardinals out for the Central, and that isn’t happening yet and there’s no indication that it will happen anytime soon; on the contrary, there are a lot of signs that it won’t be happening soon.
"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428
the Cardinals are veyr good and look impossible to catch but...
if we can lose our season in one demoralizing road trip, then so can the Cardinals!
Carlos Fisher came into the restaurant I work at after the game last night.
I bought him a beer. I’m sure the big league paycheck helps, but it has to feel terrible being booed off the field in your home ballpark. The guy is a Bruins fan to boot….Bad day for Carlos there.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Good on ya, -ManBearPig.
I didn’t catch yesterday’s game, but after those first two Fisher decisions, I had an overwhelming desire to send him cookies.
(Damn, I’m going to make a fantastic grandmother someday…)
by the finest muffins on Jun 5, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
no game thread today?
guessing SBnation is having issues again
"I love working on Saturdays!" - Some Liar
by Howie Feltersnatch on Jun 5, 2011 12:51 PM EDT reply actions
riverbend tonight?
No problem, fuckweasel! - jch24
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jun 5, 2011 12:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
no, but my buddy will be there tonight
you going?
"I love working on Saturdays!" - Some Liar
by Howie Feltersnatch on Jun 5, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
i guess we should get predictions in here?
Reds 6
Dodgers 3
"And a high fly ball to center field. He hit it a ton. And the 2010 National League Central Division Champs are the Cincinnati Reds!"
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