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Indians Series Preview

Indians-063011_mediumThe Indians come to town tomorrow, and the Reds hope to repay them for the three game sweep they received in Cleveland last May.  I wish I had done one of these profiles then so I could compare it now, but looking over this Indians team...I just don't get it.  

Their offense is pretty much dead-on average, so the Reds should have the advantage there (remember, the Reds' totals include pitcher hitting, while the Indians' do not).  The Reds get on base more, and have at least comparable home run power after park adjustments.  The Indians do have a small edge in pitching (both rotation and bullpen).  But the Reds hold what could be a massive advantage in fielding: depending on your metric of choice, the Indians' defense rates anywhere from average to putrid.  

All of this is reflected in the Indians' secondary records.  While their .532 winning percentage has them tied for first in the AL Central, their Pythagorean record, component Pythagorean record, and 3rd-order winning percentage all indicate that they have produced more like a .500ish team.  And that's a .500 team who arguably has had players playing over their heads.  

The Reds, on the other hand, are increasingly looking like a team that has gotten results that are poorer than their actual performance...and that bodes well for the rest of the season.  The biggest problem, the rotation, feels like it's been on the upswing lately, and if nothing else is finally healthy.  The offense is probably a bit overrated, but is still quite good.  And their fielding is top notch.  In a vacuum, this Reds team looks better than the Indians, especially playing by NL rules.  

Let's look at the players.

Star-divide

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The Reds are getting a bit lucky here in that two of the Indians' most potent offensive weapons won't see much playing time.  Shin-Soo Choo is currently injured.  And Travis Hafner is not capable of playing in the field because of his shoulder and general ineptitude, and therefore will be limited to pinch hitting duties.  

They do have Carlos Santana, who despite the poorer wRC+ than Hernandez this year is one of the top 5 catchers in baseball.  And they have Asdrubal Cabrera, who has had a brilliant first half to this season.  Lonnie Chisenhall is a top prospect of theirs who just debuted a few days ago.  Early returns have been great, but everything I've read about him indicates that he'll be a solid MLB regular who might appear in an All Star game or two.  A fine player, but not a superstar in the making.  Matt LaPorta is due back for this series (though I'm not sure which day he's eligible for activation, nor who will get sent down when he arrives--but I'd be shocked if it's Chisenhall), who is a decent (not great) power threat.  They have Grady Sizemore, who still has some power, but also has significant knee problems that have slowed him in center field.  And some people like Michael Brantley as a speed guy with some power.  It's a solid lineup, but aside from maybe Santana there isn't really anyone here who genuinely scares you.

There is currently a bit of uncertainty with who is going to be playing second.  Cord Phelps had taken Orlando Cabrera's job there, but OCab has started the last two games and might have reclaimed the job.  It probably doesn't matter much in terms of production.

Probable Pitchers

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The interesting thing about this squad of pitchers the Indians are sending out is that all are sort of similar in what they do, which is oriented around ground balls.  Fausto Carmona is an extreme groundballer, and will basically live or die with his infield defense (so far, he's done more dying than living, but he's better than the 5.89 ERA shows).  Masterson is a bit of a better pitcher in that he strikes guys out to go along with his ground balls.  Lastly, the only thing that Mitch Talbot does almost average-ish is avoid fly balls.  

Masterson's the best of the three.  He's interesting, though, because for years people have been arguing that he's really a reliever masquerading as a starter.  He throws three total pitches--sinker, four-seamer, slider--and really doesn't have a good weapon against left-handers (no change-up).  For that reason, I think the Reds match up well against him, as their two best hitters are lefties.  Still, the Masterson game is going to be the toughest for the Reds.  If they can beat him, they have a very, very good shot at winning the series.

Bullpen

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Something has happened with Chris Perez.  I don't know if he's progressed out of it yet or not, but his strikeout rate is WAY down and his walk rate is WAY up this year.  He hasn't really suffered for it yet, but when you are also an extreme fly ball pitcher, you have to expect he'll get shelled at some point.  Maybe the Reds can do that for him.

The rest of the Indians' pen is pretty solid.  Perez and Pestano have been superb thus far in the setup role.  Perez is another ground ball machine (you'd think the Indians would put a premium on infield defense given how many groundballers they have!), and will be a weapon against Bruce and Votto.  Pestano has shown off-the-charts strikeout rates in his 34 big league innings that are backed up by outstanding minor league numbers.  You have to think he's the closer in waiting at this point.  Pestano is the kind of guy that the Reds are really missing from their otherwise very solid pen: a shut down guy pitcher who is just unhittable.  Hopefully, Chapman can get back toward being that guy.

 

The Reds have a good opportunity here.  The Indians' offense gets a boost from LaPorta, but is still without Choo and Hafner for the series.  And the Reds should have a pitching advantage in two of the three games.  It's not that this is a bad Indians team.  But they're not in the same league as the Rays, a team that the Reds nearly swept this week.  Go Reds!

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I still don't think the Racist Mascots are for real

They’ve kind of fallen off a cliff recently, and it was widely expected.

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by BubbaFan on Jun 30, 2011 5:24 PM EDT reply actions  

AL Central is a bit like the NL-C

The Tigers could win that by default.

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jun 30, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm more than a bit frightened of Lonnie Chisenhall pulling a Dee Gordon

isn’t Chisenhall also the son of an MLBer?

I like the pitching matchups though. Bronson, for as mediocre as he’s been, is someone I like facing the other team’s ace. Hopefully enough good things can happen and enough regression occurs where Cincy’ll have the edge over the 2nd worst city in America©

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jun 30, 2011 5:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Chisenhall's defense ain't that purty though.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Jun 30, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

What's the worst city in America?

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jun 30, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

"At least we're not Detroit!"

“We’re not Detroit!”

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jun 30, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

St. Louis

Fuck it, we'll do it live.

by DTFH91 on Jun 30, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I looked at his BR Bullpen page to see if it mentioned his dad

but I didn’t get past the first line:

Convicted felon Lonnie Chisenhall was a first-round draft pick in 2008 and reached the majors with the Cleveland Indians in 2011.

The BR Bullpen doesn’t get abused like Wikipedia does, but surely that’s a fan of another team making sure that sentence is the first thing you see.

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by Slyde on Jun 30, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe not a felon but it looks like he got in trouble in 2007

via Minor League Ball

As a freshman with South Carolina in 2007, he was charged with stealing computers and cash and was kicked out of the program, landing at the junior college level, where he dominated. He served six months probation in 2008, and the Indians were comfortable enough with his makeup to pull the trigger with the first round pick.

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jun 30, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

stealing computers and cash?

shit, if he was in football instead of baseball, he would’ve gotten a Heisman instead!

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jun 30, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds like a Gottlieb type.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Jun 30, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Clay Buchholz'd

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by BubbaFan on Jun 30, 2011 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

short season class a

has started. Went to a Hudson Valley Renegades/Brooklyn Cyclones game tonight. (I thought it was the Staten Island Yankees tonight – misread the schedule.) Mets haven’t signed many of their draftees yet, so nobody very exciting in their lineup.

Renegades are still using Josh Hamilton in their marketing materials.

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by BubbaFan on Jun 30, 2011 11:36 PM EDT reply actions  

who's he?

Reds fan for 40 years!

by gejoe on Jul 1, 2011 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

some loser

who OPS’d .687 as a 25 year old in short-season class A.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jul 1, 2011 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

but he got his uniform dirty.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jul 1, 2011 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Instant Rivalry

http://cincinnati.com/blogs/reds/2011/06/30/no-king-james-on-diamond/?odyssey=obinsite

(in comments)

Living in Cleveland, I can say that the idea of having LeBron throw out the first pitch would instantly make Indians fans hate the Reds more than any other team in baseball. It would be an instant serious rivalry …. I like the idea.

A Ongreed the Deserving
-coviner's lawful neutral Paladin / Debutante character

by supergrover on Jul 1, 2011 9:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Carmona and Cueto's peripherals look a lot more alike than you'd expect two pitchers with such different results

outside of the BABIP and HR/FB, both of which could have some luck element involved. Yes, Cueto strikes out more and walks less, but the difference isn’t so dramatic there that you’dd expect a 4-run difference in ERA.

It’s another example of how important good defense is to pitching success and how much easier it is to be a good pitcher when you keep the ball in the park.

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by Slyde on Jul 1, 2011 10:15 AM EDT reply actions  

Loving Cuetos GB% so far this year.

Any idea on why? Pitchf/x is showing 9% more two-seamers this year, so that could be part of it. But discerning between two-seamers and four-seamers is a difficult thing to do, even for an algorithm! And his jump in GB% is just so dramatic, I don’t know if that’s enough to explain it…
-j

by JinAZ on Jul 1, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

/viagra'd

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jul 1, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I haven't seen (and wouldn't even know where to find) a pitch location chart

but it could be as simple as keeping the ball low.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jul 1, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brooks Baseball maybe?

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.

by -ManBearPig on Jul 1, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

you can do some comps using this site

look down at the bottom of the page. I don’t have time right now, or I’d do it.

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by Slyde on Jul 1, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also

nobody’s happier to see Choo out of the lineup than Arroyo. Choo’s 6 for 12 with 4 HR in his career vs. Arroyo. And that doesn’t include spring training where Choo had another handful of dingers.

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by Slyde on Jul 1, 2011 10:19 AM EDT reply actions  

another handful of dingers, huh?

Sounds like my Friday nights!

That's what she said!

by Raven Riley on Jul 1, 2011 10:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Ramsey posted a pic of home plate

it has the new Reds font

Anyone else not digging the new font?

by Red_Poodle on Jul 1, 2011 11:51 AM EDT reply actions  

The font's not actually new

They used back in the 50s, I think. Maybe it was the 60s. Who the hell knows? All I know is that they’ve “Redsurrected” it.

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by Slyde on Jul 1, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

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