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I was driving in runs in Tampa when the radiator burst. Reds win, 4-3.

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Joe Nuxhall Memorial Honorary Star of the Game

Ryan Hanigan.  What back spasms?  The uglier half of our two-headed catching monster belted a three run homer, and also singled and walked.  Honorable mentions go to Joey Votto (two hits and a run) and Logan Ondrusek (a perfect inning of relief to redeem himself from yesterday).

Key Plays

  • Once again, the Rays and Reds started things off with a pitchers' duel.  Both Edinson Volquez and James Shields had scoreless games going through three innings.  But Joey Votto and Scott Rolen led off the fourth inning with singles.  Jay Bruce and Jonny Gomes struck out, but Ryan Hanigan, not known for his power, knocked a pitch over the left field wall.  Reds lead, 3-0.
  • Volquez kept Tampa's hitters baffled until the sixth inning.  With one out, Johnny Damon singled (and tied Ted Williams for number of career hits), Ben Zobrist walked, and Evan Longoria smashed a double, scoring both of the runners.  Longoria then got caught leaning off second when Matt Joyce lined a ball into Brandon Phillips's glove.  A double play, and the inning was over.  Reds lead, 3-2.
  • Jonny Gomes and Ryan Hanigan both walked leading off the seventh inning.  Drew Stubbs bunted, and Hanigan was thrown out at second.  Runners were on the corners for Fred Lewis, who singled softly to left.  Gomes was safe at home with a big insurance run.  Reds lead, 4-2.
  • That run was especially important, because Volquez gave up a tater to B.J. Upton with one out in the bottom of the seventh.  That was it for the Wagon, and Logan Ondrusek came in to clean things up.  Reds win, 4-3.
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    via www.fangraphs.com


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Other Notes

  • James Shields's last three games were all complete game wins, in which he'd surrendered a grand total of two runs.
  • This was Edinson Volquez's first win away from Cincinnati since May 6.
  • Johnny Damon and Ted Williams are now tied in 70th place on the all time hits list.  Damon needs four more to catch Harry Heilmann and 1,602 to catch Pete Rose.
  • This was the first interleague series the Reds have won this year, and the first series win since sweeping the Dodgers June 13-15.
  • The Reds struck out 31 times in the series.

  • Final - 6.29.2011 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 RHE
    Cincinnati Reds 0 0 0 3 0 0 1 0 0 4 7 0
    Tampa Bay Rays 0 0 0 0 0 2 1 0 0 3 5 0
    WP: Edinson Volquez (5 - 3)
    SV: Francisco Cordero (16)
    LP: James Shields (8 - 5)

    Complete Coverage >



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OH MY GOD

THIS IS THE BEST RECAP TITLE EVER. EVEN BETTER THAN THE GY!BE ONE! WWAAAAHHHH!!!!

by thevole on Jun 29, 2011 5:19 PM EDT reply actions  

That's okay

I’m pretty sure ’nukkah wrote it in hopes of making me specifically happy and he did such a good job

by thevole on Jun 29, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm happy about it too.

Mountain Goats rule!

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.

by -ManBearPig on Jun 29, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thirded.

Never expected to see a MG reference.
High quality stuff.

by RedStalk on Jun 29, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I write them for me

And then I like to see who gets what, and I hope that people like them. So I’m glad that it made you happy. Twice in one series, just like the Reds!

by Brendanukkah on Jun 29, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I turned this game on it the 6th, just in time for the Zorbist walk.

I was hoping I didn’t tune Marty/Cowboy in just in time for the melt down. Was thrilled to hear the Wagon get the DP, and the bullpen was great.

Here’s hoping we can return the favor to the Tribe this weekend, and go on a run.

by DocRam on Jun 29, 2011 5:24 PM EDT reply actions  

MLB.com

picked Hanigan as well.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jun 29, 2011 5:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Rob Neyer likes us, apparently

I mean, not us, but the Reds:

http://mlb.sbnation.com/2011/6/29/2250997/cincinnati-reds-nl-central-standings-news

But this did look like a three-team race entering the season, and almost halfway through it’s still a three-team race (with apologies to the Pirates) and the winner’s probably going to be whichever team is healthy and has the most pitching depth. Right now, that team looks a lot like the Cincinnati Reds.

by thevole on Jun 29, 2011 5:42 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

The thing about the Pirates ...

… maybe not a contender but a team that will decide who is.
They didn’t collapse like everyone said and they have enough talent to take a series from almost anyone. I had figured them to win this many games all year as they have won so far.
Seriously.

The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.

by johnu1 on Jun 29, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

it will catch up to them

negative run differential almost always come back to hurt teams.

Nothing succeeds like failure.

by Yossarian22 on Jun 29, 2011 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Except the Pirates

They’re due for some weird anomalies that’ll help them stay above .500 the rest of the season

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jun 29, 2011 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice!

And he does like us! He recommended visiting RR at the bottom of his post.

I like this bit:

For one thing, the Reds have the best run differential (+41) in their division.

For another, when I look at these fourth-place Reds — granted, they’re only three games out of first place — I see some real upside.

Some of that “real upside” – Paul Janish! (And Scott Rolen.)

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jun 29, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

rec'd

"I slyde my boehner into sexsalad...."
Sounds like a johnu1 production. --jch24

by GrooveLeg on Jun 29, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know we tend to ignore trolling

from the STL media, but this article was just silly. Vote against Votto? Why? He never did anything to them. I find it hilarious that the guy who wrote this is so vindictive and hateful.

by Red_Poodle on Jun 29, 2011 5:52 PM EDT reply actions  

wtf
Further irritating Reds fans, Milwaukee second baseman Rickie Weeks has surged past Cincinnati second baseman/loudmouth Brandon Phillips.

I wasn’t aware that Reds fans were all that irritated.

The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.

by johnu1 on Jun 29, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

And while we're at it.

Why not tandem with LaLa fans?
We vote for Kemp and they vote for Votto?

The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.

by johnu1 on Jun 29, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw that earlier.

I didn’t look at the link (screw giving them hits), so I don’t know how/if he is associated with the organization, but it seems to be classless (this word get’s thrown around a lot in this rivalry, but seems fitting here.)

by DocRam on Jun 29, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

A vote for the cardinals

is a vote for entertainment… cant wait to see berkman and holliday negative UZR it up in the OF at the AS-G

BRUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

by BigStein on Jun 30, 2011 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just a point in passing...I am still wondering while Walt let this guy go...

LF Laynce Nix hit his 12th homer of the year Tuesday,

Rick Santorum telling my father [he] doesn't know about torture is like Carrot Top telling Lebron James he doesn't know about basketball." Meghan McCain

by Madville on Jun 29, 2011 5:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Sure seems like he'd help us out.

But I’ll admit I wasn’t clamoring for him to be resigned.

by DocRam on Jun 29, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes!

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jun 30, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

no errors

And 3 DPs this game.

I was a little worried about how the Reds’ D would match up against the best defense in baseball. In that crazy funhouse of a ballpark, with its fast turf, white roof, and goofy catwalks. Heisey’s dive notwithstanding, they matched up very well.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jun 29, 2011 6:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Am I the only guy who doesn't want his team's players going to the ASG?

Votto could use a break, Phillips could definitely use a break, a rest wouldn’t hurt Bruce or Stubbs either.

I hope the ballots get so stuffed that none of them make it, nor Cueto.

I make an exception for people who are likely in their last good year. I wanted Rhodes to make it last year, and CMM this year. But that’s so they can retire with “All-Star” on their resume. Hopefully Monie will make it.

by MatthewH on Jun 29, 2011 6:45 PM EDT reply actions  

"They were in Oakland all weekend. I went to a beach and got a drink with an umbrella in it."

-Jalen Rose on the NBA All-star weekend.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jun 29, 2011 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aside from the plane flight and all that, I think they'd rather go to the game.

ASG’s are a pretty big part of the MLB history. IF they had an injury, maybe. But usually if they are hurt, they decline. And I think it’s a pretty safe bet that Stubbs will get the 3 days rest!

The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.

by johnu1 on Jun 29, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes you are the only one.

Rick Santorum telling my father [he] doesn't know about torture is like Carrot Top telling Lebron James he doesn't know about basketball." Meghan McCain

by Madville on Jun 29, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm next for deceased equine bludgeoning!

I know it’s been said many times, but this series is the latest to prove we are one difference maker away from really tearing it up. Walt found a way to dump Willy Tavares. I imagine he’s thinking of a scheme like this to get rid of “the shortstop problem.” http://www.hulu.com/watch/4123/saturday-night-live-joyride-with-perot

Stools are where once upon a time you'd find a chair. A chair's for fools! Everybody wants stools!

by ClownPenis.Fart on Jun 29, 2011 6:55 PM EDT reply actions  

I am beginning to think our "problem" is in center field.

The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.

by johnu1 on Jun 29, 2011 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good lord, this again?

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jun 29, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't you have the picture of the guy with the headache?

I guess another hall monitor would deflect the discussion to … oh … modern music.

The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.

by johnu1 on Jun 29, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Modern music? Oh no!!!

Not all those hooks and bridges…DIY, Punk, R&B, Hip-hop, Rap, Country, Lo-Fi, Indie, Alternative, what-have-you, etc…

Not that…

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jun 29, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doo wop would work better.

Some Mo-town.

The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.

by johnu1 on Jun 29, 2011 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough, I can respect that

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jun 29, 2011 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'ing this for Neyer's quote.

I’ve never heard that before, and am going to make sure I have it at the ready.

by DocRam on Jun 29, 2011 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was some dude's sig on RedsZone back when I slummed it there.

I’ve really come around on the meaning behind the quote in the past few years, and I’ve really come around on my feelings towards baseball at the same time. I’m hardly a SABRist of the Jinaz or Slyde stripe, but I’ve learned that in order to argue effectively with them, you need to use better things than batting average and heart.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jun 29, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am Stubbs' biggest supporter.

We have a guy with a ton of talent.
All I see is a hitter who is clueless at the plate and that isn’t helping the team. Now you can ballyhoo his potential all you want and yes, he can play CF, so lucky for us he’s not a cripple out there. He can steal second after he gets to first.

What he is doing is unraveling the offense and making Janish even more useless. Somebody needs to help him get better. If you think this will happen by accident, I am seeing completely the opposite. Unless you are watching something else, he strikes out at least 3 times every game.

Strikeouts don’t hurt my feelings but they aren’t getting anybody on base either.

I can’t see a good reason to keep running the guy out there until somebody at least proves that he’s been given something of an idea on how to hit the baseball. Not just hit the baseball, but actually HIT it. He is pulling off every pitch, missing by a full foot on every pitch.

Did you not notice this at any time in last 81 games?

The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.

by johnu1 on Jun 29, 2011 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

"I am Stubbs' biggest supporter."

Everything that followed that opening sentence is the exact opposite of being “Stubbs’ biggest supporter”

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jun 29, 2011 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never mentioned potential, I never left the present tense.

He is third on the team in extra base hits and he has 109 K’s in 80 games (not counting today) so that’s more than one per game. Not splendid to be sure, but not hyperbolic, either.

I think you’re upset about a streak right now. Which is fine, just acknowledge that you’re upset about a streak. He’s a streaky hitter, Stubbs. So are most players in baseball history.

His on base skills are a bit mediocre, to be sure. So maybe he shouldn’t be leading off (I personally like him at 6th). But a .329 OBP is no reason to send someone to Louisville, or else Brandon Phillips would’ve never gotten more than a cup of coffee.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jun 29, 2011 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, yeah maybe frustrated

I still think Stubbs has potential to be a very good player. If he learns to hit, he and JV and JB can turn this lineup into a monster.

But he needs to improve his hitting style, close up his stance and stop flailing. All other aspects of his game are getting better.

For the moment, the Reds are not going to win with him in there if he keeps striking out like this.

The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.

by johnu1 on Jun 29, 2011 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's on pace for pretty much the exact same season he had last year

just with less triples. And the Reds won a lot last year.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jun 29, 2011 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

He needs to get better, which is all I am saying

Exactly the same is not what he ought to be doing.

He is clueless at the plate and it’s becoming obvious to every pitcher. There is a better approach for him and he isn’t working on it. To say that trying to fix that would make it worse is really folly. He waves at everything.

The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.

by johnu1 on Jun 29, 2011 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

but he has been streaky since he came to the big leagues

in 3 or 4 weeks, he will be hitting everything and you will love him again.

Nothing succeeds like failure.

by Yossarian22 on Jun 29, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fine, if he hits everything, I will still like him.

I just want him to stop striking out.

The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.

by johnu1 on Jun 29, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

So it's the strikeouts that are bothering you?

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jun 29, 2011 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, it's not his haircut.

The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.

by johnu1 on Jun 29, 2011 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

So he hurt your feelings by striking out?

Cause the strikeouts aren’t hurting the team

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jun 29, 2011 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

They don't?

What does a strikeout do to help the team?
What exactly has Stubbs done lately that you can say has been a positive influence on the offense?

If you just want to argue against this, you have to have something other than a face-against-the-wall approach.

Strikeouts don’t hurt the team, he says.
Well, who knew? Better than a triple play, but you don’t get many of them.

The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.

by johnu1 on Jun 29, 2011 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

In his last 4 games, Stubbs has OPS'd over 1.000

I’d say that’s something Stubbs has done recently to help the offense

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jun 29, 2011 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

He had a triple.

Strikeouts are also better than double plays.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Jun 29, 2011 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

He had a triple.

Strikeouts are not better than long fly balls with men on second or third base.
Outs all the same.

They are not better than ground balls to the right side that advance a runner.

Outs all the same.

But let’s not tinker with Stubby’s swing so as to not make it worse. Striking out doesn’t hurt anyway.

Outs all the same. Geez, the groupthink around here is amazing.

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jun 29, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

But 1 out is better than 2 outs.

I wouldn’t be surprised if they work on Stubbs trying to put the ball in play more this off season. A lot of it seems to be just getting fooled on breaking balls low in the zone when he’s down in the count. I don’t really think it’s anything in his swing.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Jun 29, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it is because he guesses way too much.

Why are you working the permit's desk, and why was that child clubbing your nuggets? ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Jun 29, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bingo

That’s the only thing Stubbs does at the plate. When he guesses right, sometimes good things happen, but he guesses wrong a lot.

I agree with john that he could stand to improve his approach, even if he is not bad right now. He could still be better.

by kcgard2 on Jun 30, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

But it's not like Stubbs isn't trying to do this

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jun 29, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with John that Stubbs needs to

close his stance and stay in on the ball more.

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.

by -ManBearPig on Jun 29, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I assume that his striking out every time up is fine.

So long as he looks good going back to the dugout.

The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.

by johnu1 on Jun 29, 2011 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Except he doesn't strike out every time he's up

First, you say he strikes out three times a game and now it’s every time he’s up.

This is soooooo confusing…

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jun 29, 2011 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, gee ... I don't have the box scores in front of me ... sorry

I would say I saw him K at least 8 times in the last 4 games.

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jun 29, 2011 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was only 6

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jun 29, 2011 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

but I already wrote above that he strikes out

~1.25 times a game. It’s right there. You could’ve read that without leaving the site.

I probably just shouldn’t have reacted at all. But I think we forget sometimes that these are real, breathing, human beings playing this game. I thought the Janish hate was being overplayed because it dominated the website and, more importantly, was boring.

I don’t like coming to RR and being bored.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jun 29, 2011 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will leave it at this and not go all over this thread looking for other stuff

I want Stubbs in the lineup. He’s a great asset. But he needs to reach first base.
He needs to get there more often every game.

If he can do that, he can lead off.
We have some really great hitters behind him and that’s worth a lot of runs.

But he can’t keep striking out this much.
Stubbs isn’t evil. I never suggested optioning him, trading him or even really benching him. He just needs to get his act together.

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jun 29, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

But he's helping the offense

Which you don’t acknowledge. You just want to harp on the negative. And that’s not going to go over well with people if you just keep harping on the negative time and time again without acknowledging anything positive.

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jun 29, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

you mentioned, repeatedly, benching him or sending him to AAA

sooo I’m probs just gonna back away slowly at this point.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jun 29, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I left it at that.

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jun 29, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, yeah

But it seems like you write this and just assume Stubbs isn’t working on it.

I think Stubbs would like to get on base more often and probably strike out a little less. And I’m sure he’s working on it. But it’s not going to change overnight.

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jun 29, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

It ain't all about Stubbs.

Coaching is what he needs.

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jun 29, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

And ... if he can't get it done ...

… that makes his value somewhat akin to that of WIlly Taveras.

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jun 29, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Willy Taveras had negative value.

According to WAR Stubbs is a pretty valuable player.

I like how you act like Stubbs doesn’t get any coaching. I’m sure they work with him regularly.

Why are you working the permit's desk, and why was that child clubbing your nuggets? ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Jun 29, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, Jesus Christ.

I know you’re exaggerating and I shouldn’t respond, but this is REALLY hard not to bite on. Stubbs’ career WAR is already higher than Taveras’, for starters.

"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428

by sexsalad on Jun 29, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Willy Taveras couldn't get to first base

He was fair to middlin as a center fielder. Maybe he could steal second if he got to first. So far, tell me what’s different?

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jun 29, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Drew Stubbs gets on base much more than Taveras.

Plus Stubbs can hit more than a single.

Why are you working the permit's desk, and why was that child clubbing your nuggets? ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Jun 29, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

30 singles,

10 doubles, a couple triples and 20 home runs. Oh, and 40 walks.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jun 29, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stubbs' career OPS is .760 to Taveras' .647

"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428

by sexsalad on Jun 29, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

He never ops+ over a 100 in his career

Stubbs has already done that twice

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jun 29, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's doing just fine withthe coaching he has

as he ages and gets more MLB plate appearances, I’m sure he’ll get even better. Coaching isn’t withcraft, you know

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jun 29, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

And there's no indication

That he isn’t getting any coaching.

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jun 29, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK, so the issue is that he is getting coaching

and he is working on it.
But nothing really has changed.

So, geniuses, help me out here.

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jun 29, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is a work in progress.

You can’t expect him to just improve overnight. Especially when his downfall his entire career (minors and majors) has been strikeouts.

Why are you working the permit's desk, and why was that child clubbing your nuggets? ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Jun 29, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not going to happen over night

What are you expecting from him? To be a .300 slap-hitter, hitting to all fields, doubling, tripling, etc.?

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jun 29, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I bite on the notion of getting better

What he needs to do is find a way to cut down on the strikeouts and put the ball into play more often. He does that, and I am cool with him.

I said a year ago he had more upside than any player we had and I am very disappointed in him this year. The team is playing average ball as a results.

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jun 29, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

This team isn't playing average ball because of Drew Stubbs.

Why are you working the permit's desk, and why was that child clubbing your nuggets? ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Jun 29, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, well pretend it's somebody else then.

Frankly, if we filled in the blank, would that person also not be part of the mediocrity? Stubbs is an everyday play.er

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jun 29, 2011 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

The mediocrity comes down to pitching.

For a while we had a AAA rotation.

Why are you working the permit's desk, and why was that child clubbing your nuggets? ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Jun 29, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK,

that works part of the time.

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jun 29, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think anyone would argue with you

About seeing Stubbs strike out less and putting the ball in play more often.

I think we’d like to see that out of a lot of players

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jun 29, 2011 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well this got out of hand as usual

My only premise was that the guy needed to cut down on it and suddenly I think the entire west side of the Rhineland thought I wanted him optioned off to the Rangers.

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jun 29, 2011 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

It evolved from there

Saying his offensive production (or lack thereof) was a problem

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jun 29, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never said it was intentional.

I said/say it is a problem and until Stubbs gets better, our offense will continue to struggle.

We have the horses to win the NL-C.
Stubbs is important but he has to drive in runs and be on base.

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jun 29, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

But our offense isn't the problem

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jun 29, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

So do a lot of players

It’s not just Stubbs

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jun 29, 2011 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I should clarify...so do a lot of Reds players

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jun 29, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, we can't expect the same ...

… from every player. All of them have different skill sets.

Stubbie’s problem is finding a good spot in the lineup. I love him in leadoff and would actually rather he hit there than where he is.

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jun 29, 2011 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting about lineup

It seems like he does better lower (of course I haven’t checked the stats to back it up).

Maybe he relaxes lower in the order

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jun 29, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, yeah ... we have been over that too

He left a lot of guys on base this week.
I guess no matter where he hits after the first inning, that’s possible.

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jun 29, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I imagine hitting lower you're probably going to be leaving more men on base

Not sure I think that’s a huge problem there

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jun 29, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought they tried to tinker with his swing in the Minors

But, for whatever reason, it didn’t take and he switched back to his long stroke. Maybe it sapped his power?

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jun 29, 2011 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

What power? He strikes out 3 times a game.

The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.

by johnu1 on Jun 29, 2011 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

But strikeouts don't hurt the team

And I’m pretty sure Stubbs has Light Tower Power

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jun 29, 2011 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

The long fly ball ... well, had he made contact, yeah ...

The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.

by johnu1 on Jun 29, 2011 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup, he's streaky

I think we’ve already established that, no?

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jun 29, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I'm not in the clubhouse everyday

But I’m pretty sure Jacoby is working with Stubbs on his hitting. He is the hitting coach after all.

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jun 29, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Never mind.

fuck this.

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jun 29, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or that guy who coached in Major League

Remember him? Every time Willie Mays Hayes would pop up, he had to do push-ups. Now that’s coaching right there. Too bad none of our coaches will that with Stubbs

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jun 29, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great, now they need that montage

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jun 29, 2011 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

in the movie

Where ‘Charlie Sheen’ is practicing and knocks the batter’s head off

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jun 29, 2011 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sheen said he did steroids for Major League

which, well, is someting.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jun 29, 2011 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I did steroids today.

They help me keep my o2 levels above the Mendoza line.

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jun 29, 2011 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sure he does.

You act like Drew Stubbs goes to the batting cage and everyone turns around and leaves him alone. He has always had large strike numbers, and he always will. It is what he does when he doesn’t strike out that makes him valuable.

Why are you working the permit's desk, and why was that child clubbing your nuggets? ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Jun 29, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

see: July 4, 2010

3 home runs in that game, champ

by Heeringa on Jun 29, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I also love to use Rob Neyer as the Voice of All Baseball Knowledge.

If I had written that, you’d be condemning me for defending Stubbs.
But if some “other person” says it, wow … that’ s Gospel.

The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.

by johnu1 on Jun 29, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

... What?

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Jun 29, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Neyer is like a lot of national scribes

Use whichever convenient facts they want to make compelling cases for being right. The establishment of absolute truth is pretty apparent with Neyer and a lot of folks who blog for a living. Entertaining but their work is so full of holes as to be irrelevant.

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jun 29, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

through half a season he has 2.2 WAR

he could have another 4 WAR season, he is fucking fine. If Drew Stubbs is a teams biggest problem, they are going to win a World Series.

Nothing succeeds like failure.

by Yossarian22 on Jun 29, 2011 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let me mark down the number of times YOU bellyache when he K's.

The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.

by johnu1 on Jun 29, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why? You are doing it enough for everyone.

Why are you working the permit's desk, and why was that child clubbing your nuggets? ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Jun 29, 2011 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

No I am in a debate with three people who won't use any logic

If you care to join the debate, welcome. Otherwise, your critique of it will not make much difference.

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jun 29, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

We use logic!

What the heck do you want from us?

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jun 29, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nothing.

Whatever you folks see is not what the rest of the world sees.
Carry on.

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jun 29, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you the rest of the world?

Why are you working the permit's desk, and why was that child clubbing your nuggets? ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Jun 29, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Enlighten us then!

Jesus…you’re whole friggin’ argument is strikeouts.

Am I missing something?

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jun 29, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

skip it.

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jun 29, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well that's no fun

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jun 29, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, that was weird

I’m not sure what else could’ve been done there.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jun 29, 2011 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

if the rest of the world sees Drew Stubbs as a bad player

then they are wrong. John you’re overrating his strikeouts, I’m not saying this with any ire I’m just telling you you’re overrating them. They’re not good, but they are not making him an awful player because when he does make contact he’s getting on or getting extra base hits.

Also you can’t expect him to all the sudden make them disappear, all you can expect is for him to cut them back, which might take a years time.

Given that he gives us good defense everyday I’ll take what he brings to the plate. He’s not clueless, he just has his faults.

by pack_fan on Jun 29, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

i bitch when outs are made

but Ks are outs just as much as an out when the ball is put in play.

Nothing succeeds like failure.

by Yossarian22 on Jun 29, 2011 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

i am a big fan of your handle.

i know, you’re all shocked!

"I slyde my boehner into sexsalad...."
Sounds like a johnu1 production. --jch24

by GrooveLeg on Jun 29, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who can take the Reds?
Put ’em on his back?
Make RRs post pics of bears covered in crack?
The Hanny Man caaaaan.

"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428

by sexsalad on Jun 29, 2011 7:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Pittsburgh leading Toronto 1-0

Milwaukee up 1-0 on the Yanks
Cards up 4-1 on the Orioles.

So far, it’s a good day for NL Central, and a bad day for the AL East.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jun 29, 2011 8:20 PM EDT reply actions  

me, too

Yanks just scored. Cano tripled (Nyjer Morgan is no Drew Stubbs).

1-1 tie now.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jun 29, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yanks now up 4-1

Russell Martin homered.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jun 29, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

What an All Star!

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jun 29, 2011 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

comment posted to a Yankees game thread

“Way to justify my all star ballot, Martin!”

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jun 29, 2011 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Having a home run is grounds for starting the AS game?

Miggy Cairo should get to go then.

The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.

by johnu1 on Jun 29, 2011 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't believe I was rooting for the Yankees to beat the Pirates

I need to look square in the mirror for a bit now.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jun 29, 2011 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

New Yorkers

were treated to Sterling’s home run call for Martin:

“Russell…shows muscle!”

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jun 29, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

So Nyjer isn't on Dave Cameron's upgrade list?

The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.

by johnu1 on Jun 29, 2011 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Watching Birds vs. Birdbrains

Carp loads em with none out and gets the Oboes like a whimper.
Gotta love that home-town scoring on a play at 3rd base by Freeze.

The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.

by johnu1 on Jun 29, 2011 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pirates now losing 2-1

Brewers losing 5-2
Cards winning 5-1

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jun 29, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Grammar fail in MLB 2K11

So, after every game, some mentor or something in the my player mode gives you feedback. He told me “That was a great win. The organization is getting really excited about your future kid.”

STAY AWAY FROM MY CHILD!!!!!

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Jun 29, 2011 9:09 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

You're having a baby?

Congrats, man!

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jun 29, 2011 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Noooo

Future Reds closer Eddie Van Halen is having a baby!

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Jun 29, 2011 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

The lineup looks something like this:

CF- Sappelt
LF- Stubbs
RF- Bruce
1B- Alonso
2B- Billy Hamilton
SS- Kris Negron (FTH?)
3B- Todd Frazier
C- Yasmani Grandal

and Jordan Smith is apparently our third best starting pitcher.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Jun 29, 2011 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I put them all on the minor league rosters and junk.

The rest was basically a crap shoot- it has some kind of system that progresses players.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Jun 29, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea

i hate that they cant use real players. i hate facing fake people when everyone else retired

LTP is for Stubbs only!

by OGC Reds on Jun 29, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it's got to do with the players' union.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Jun 29, 2011 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like how you could never play as Benny Agbayani in a video game

Fortunately, nobody ever wanted to play as Benny Agbayani in a video game.

by Brendanukkah on Jun 29, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Samy went for Barry Bonds.

Why are you working the permit's desk, and why was that child clubbing your nuggets? ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Jun 29, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Same.

Why are you working the permit's desk, and why was that child clubbing your nuggets? ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Jun 29, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joe Smith!

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Jun 29, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

too soon

but wrecked anyway.

Er…rec’d.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jun 29, 2011 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

yea

i think the players have to sign some type of contract to have them in the game. I remember players in the NFL who didn’t want to be in madden.

LTP is for Stubbs only!

by OGC Reds on Jun 29, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it's included in the MLB contract

But not in the minors, because they don’t want to have to pay all those guys.

The big leaguers who weren’t in video games were players who crossed the picket line during the strike. They were blackballed. Like Cory Lidle.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jun 29, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, some games have the entire 40-man in the game

and any of the Mark Bellhorn types. I think that’s the best you can get.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jun 29, 2011 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it has something to do with the MLBPA.

Bonds wasn’t a member of it, which is supposedly why he used to not be in games (it would just assign the player that was obviously him a random name.)

Also, guys who have played in the majors before but are currently in the minors (Corky Miller, Yonder Alonso, etc.) are also on the game.

Are minor leaguers usually not in the MLBPA?

"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428

by sexsalad on Jun 29, 2011 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are not part of the MLBPA until you have played in a major league game.

At least that I what I always thought. If you sign a major league contract you might be in it also.

Why are you working the permit's desk, and why was that child clubbing your nuggets? ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Jun 29, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

you have to have played in the big leagues at some point

to be in MLBPA.

But even players who were not eligible to be in the MLBPA were blacklisted for life if they agreed to be replacement players.

Even if they made it to the big leagues, they were not allowed to join the union, and therefore were not included in video games, which were contracted with the union.

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by BubbaFan on Jun 29, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

do you have any idea how much money is in the MLBPA?

I assume you get pension one way or another. So is it just baseball cards and video games? How much can one expect from that?

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jun 29, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well it is a union.

I’m sure the players have to pay dues.

Why are you working the permit's desk, and why was that child clubbing your nuggets? ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Jun 29, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I appreciate that the guy with

the Ron Swanson avatar wrote this.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jun 29, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is my disdain for unions that made me write it.

Why are you working the permit's desk, and why was that child clubbing your nuggets? ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Jun 29, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

pension

You only need to be the active roster 43 days to be eligible for the full pension. One day is enough for a medical pension.

Benefits start at $1,000/month, and maxes out at $180,000 for players with 10+ years service time. You can’t collect until you’re 62.

Baseball was the first sport to offer a pension, and is still the most generous.

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by BubbaFan on Jun 29, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

cool

I know the NFL’s pension is a bit of a dark joke. I don’t knwo much about the other sports.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jun 29, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you're going to play a baseball game, do it right.

"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428

by sexsalad on Jun 29, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well played Mauer

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jun 29, 2011 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would

but I’m not buying a PS3 for one game.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Jun 29, 2011 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shit

I always make the mistake of assuming that everyone in the world plays PS3. I think more people actually play X-Box, but whatever.

Still though, The Show is a pretty sick game.

"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428

by sexsalad on Jun 29, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is pretty awesome but I never find myself playing more than 10 minutes.

Why are you working the permit's desk, and why was that child clubbing your nuggets? ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Jun 29, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

If there was a game that I would consider buying a PS3 for

The Show would definitely be it.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Jun 29, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've heard good things

pisses me off it isn’t available on xbox, it would probably sell well.

by pack_fan on Jun 29, 2011 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

You type the truth

"Look at me, Rex Banner. I have a new hat."

by Ram27 on Jun 29, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just got around to reading MLB Trade rumors for this week

Hiroki Kuroda? Hadnt seen anyone mention on here. I actually like the idea for the year given we dont give up much, but the contract…. ehhh a lot depends on that too

by mrsmith35sg on Jun 29, 2011 9:39 PM EDT reply actions  

.

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.

by -ManBearPig on Jun 29, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd take him

but not for what LA would want. He’s more of the same.

by pack_fan on Jun 29, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's a pretty good pitcher, and a likely type-A free agent at the end of the year

I would like to get him, but I wouldn’t want to give up a ton for him. I figure he could replace Volqy in the rotation (I know he had a nice game today, but I don’t trust him to keep it up) and at the end of the year, he walks and you get a couple of draft picks.

Or even if I just like such as judged a fish contest that would get me outta the house and in some air.

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Jun 29, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

and its not like the Dodgers are dealing from a position of strength…..it really shouldn’t take a lot to get Kuroda off of them considering their financial woes.

"There's only one god, and his name is Death. And what do we say to Death? Not today!" --- Syrio Forel, Game of Thrones

by cesarhernandez on Jun 29, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does this affect their game strategy?

Not necessarily a serious question … but finances aside, they can’t just become the St. Louis Browns, can they? It would seem that MLB would try to keep that from happening.

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jun 29, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

but it does mean we would need to take on some of the financial burden

which I don’t think this team is in the position to do. Another guy that doesn’t get talked about from the Dodgers (and I will probably get torn to shreds for suggesting this) is Furcal. I’d take him if the price were right.

by pack_fan on Jun 29, 2011 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Furcal is currently on a rehab assignment

He has had a miserable, injury plagued season (Janish is outhitting him). He will likely pick it up offensively, but I don’t trust him to stay healthy.

Or even if I just like such as judged a fish contest that would get me outta the house and in some air.

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Jun 29, 2011 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, and both Furcal and Kuroda make $12 million this year

So if the Reds can’t afford Kuroda, they can’t afford Furcal

Or even if I just like such as judged a fish contest that would get me outta the house and in some air.

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Jun 29, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, Kuroda is making only $8 million in salary this year

$4 million of it is paid through a signing bonus in 2012 and 2013.

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by cesarhernandez on Jun 29, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

well right

they’re probably going to need someone to take on more of his salary than the Reds would, but he’s a cheaper option than Reyes.

by pack_fan on Jun 29, 2011 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't understand the replace Volquez argument.

He is now officially out of options I believe, so we either trade him (not likely) or DFA him (less likely considering we won’t even DFA Rentawreck). It seems to me that the Wagon is here this season for better or worse and whether we like it or not.

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.

by -ManBearPig on Jun 29, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know how he could be out of options

They optioned him earlier this year, didn’t they? You can be optioned in three different seasons, but during those seasons they can send you up and down as often as they like.

Plus, there is always the bullpen, or a trade. I don’t see how the team can just resign itself to running him out there every five days, given his general lack of effectiveness

Or even if I just like such as judged a fish contest that would get me outta the house and in some air.

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Jun 29, 2011 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

the Fayplacement

has a report on the Reds luncheon today. It was to encourage fans to vote for Reds players in the All-Star balloting.

The Reds ordered enough LaRosas to feed 400 people or 100 Jeff Brantleys.

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by BubbaFan on Jun 29, 2011 10:04 PM EDT reply actions  

heh.

you weren’t following Slyde’s tweets from it?

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jun 29, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not on Twitter

And they’ve changed their settings so you can’t read anything unless you’re logged in. They’re evil, I’m convinced of it.

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by BubbaFan on Jun 29, 2011 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

ugh, really?

That’s kind of frustrating, but I guess good business.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jun 29, 2011 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can see Tweets and I don't have a twitter account

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jun 29, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I used to be able to

But now I can’t. I just get a blank screen.

I’ve tried with several different computers and browsers, and get nothing.

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by BubbaFan on Jun 29, 2011 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah yeah, I've had that happen sometimes too

Normally I just refresh the page and it brings it right back up.

But that’s weird if it’s all blank for you

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jun 29, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I "follow" a couple tweeters

via XML with Google Reader. That way I can keep Twitter and all its ridiculousness at arms’ length.

by DevilsAdvocate on Jun 29, 2011 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

a twitter account is not that bad

you can avoid the ridiculousness pretty easily

by pack_fan on Jun 30, 2011 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Apparently David Eckstein kind of wants to play... maybe

"It totally has to be the right situation, but when you say that, it’s like you’re disrespecting the clubs that have talked to you," Eckstein said. "This goes so much deeper than you guys will ever know."

What the hell?

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Jun 29, 2011 10:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Our new SS

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jun 29, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Isn't this guy about 45?

Yeah, a great backup.
Sign him, trade Stubbs.

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jun 29, 2011 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

"This goes so much deeper than you guys will ever know"

Yup, TWLBS

"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428

by sexsalad on Jun 29, 2011 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even I know what that means:

Its crolfer stuff…

Rick Santorum telling my father [he] doesn't know about torture is like Carrot Top telling Lebron James he doesn't know about basketball." Meghan McCain

by Madville on Jun 29, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

It has to do with bugs?

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Jun 29, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

or so Lady Bug says.

Rick Santorum telling my father [he] doesn't know about torture is like Carrot Top telling Lebron James he doesn't know about basketball." Meghan McCain

by Madville on Jun 30, 2011 4:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

D-Train final line

6.1 Innings, 6 hits, 1 ER, 1 BB, 6 K’s.
Boxberger came in and finished the inning.
The Coz went 2-4, RBI. But the Bats fell 3-1 with the loss handed to Horst.

LTP is for Stubbs only!

by OGC Reds on Jun 29, 2011 10:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Dayton won 7-1

Torreyes went 2-5 with a 2B and a RBI

Carolina fell 3-1. Soto went 2-4 with a 2B

LTP is for Stubbs only!

by OGC Reds on Jun 29, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Torreyes is fricken amazing

An 18-year old Hobbit-sized player should not be capable of hitting .400 in A ball. I’m fairly pleased with the progress of the other 2 teenagers in Dayton – Yorman and Duran, but Torreyes is just a freak. I just hope he learns a little patience.

Or even if I just like such as judged a fish contest that would get me outta the house and in some air.

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Jun 29, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I keep thinking Torreyes eventually gets exposed

but I’m starting to come around on him. I think his path to the bigs depends on his defense, which I don’t know much about.

by pack_fan on Jun 29, 2011 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

So is Torreyes an Jose Altuve clone?

Altuve is in the Astros organization and a favorite of Kevin Goldstein at baseballprospectus….I think he’s only 5-foot-4. Was hitting over .400 in high-A and is still hitting in the .350s in double-A.

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by cesarhernandez on Jun 29, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Isn't Torreyes the guy who never strikes out?

"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428

by sexsalad on Jun 29, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

and the only extra base hit

was a double by Corky Miller.

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by BubbaFan on Jun 29, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's official

Brewers lost. So did the Pirates. Cards won.

Reds now third. 2.5 games back.

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by BubbaFan on Jun 29, 2011 10:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Dagnabbit Baltimore

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jun 29, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carp dodged a bullet against a bad team.

How did those guys do so well against us?

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jun 29, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would hate to win this division with 81 wins.

Yeah, I would.
Really.
No kidding.

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jun 29, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

if they win the division with 70 wins I'd be happy

still, obviously this team has some stuff to work on, but out of the 4 contending teams they have the best run differential, the worst record in 1 run games. if we used all the teams pythag records the reds would be 1 or 2 games ahead in the standings. This team, while not playing up to where they can, has played fine and has seen some tough luck in close games.

Do the Reds need to improve? yes. Can they? also yes, whether all us Reds fans choose to believe so or not. For now though, I’d rather just enjoy the ride than get up in arms about every small thing about this team.

by pack_fan on Jun 29, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

The odds that this team will improve are very good, barring injuries.

There is a ton of reason to believe the offense will continue to do well and I am much higher on our starting pitchers now than before all of them went back to Louisville for “rehab work.”

I think we’ll need to win more than 70 though.

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jun 29, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

well of course

I was just saying that I don’t care if they win the division with 90 wins or 70 wins if they’re winning the division. We can talk all day about how this team doesn’t look like a playoff winning team and that may be true, but if they get hot at the right time I see no reason why they couldn’t make a run in the playoffs with the series as short as they are.

by pack_fan on Jun 29, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jay Bruce's hometown paper

has a photo gallery of “famous Texas alumni.” (Bruce is not included, because they only counted people who went to college.) Drew Stubbs is there. (Goodbye to Texas University, so long to the orange and the white…) The photo they used appears to be taken after he struck out. They did the same with Lance Berkman and Michael Bourn. Bubba is there – the photo is of his curtain call after the first and only walkoff homer in his life.

No Janish. Even though he’s had three times as many major league at-bats as Bubba had.

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by BubbaFan on Jun 29, 2011 10:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Janish is not getting much respect.

Perhaps you need to rename yourself.
Bubba gets all the credit he needs.

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jun 29, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jannish is Jannish

Great D….mediocre to stinky offense.

COZART

Rick Santorum telling my father [he] doesn't know about torture is like Carrot Top telling Lebron James he doesn't know about basketball." Meghan McCain

by Madville on Jun 29, 2011 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Barely relevant quesetion:

Tomorrow is the last day of my MLB.TV subscription. What interesting/captivating/legendary/etc. game(s) should I watch/download?

"Look at me, Rex Banner. I have a new hat."

by Ram27 on Jun 29, 2011 11:06 PM EDT reply actions  

all of them.

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jun 29, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

1975 WS Game 6

Or the 6th game of the 2011 season?

by Nasty N8 on Jun 29, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

This year of course, duh

that 2-3 loss to the Astros was one of the more iconic moments in baseball history

by pack_fan on Jun 29, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

Didn’t realize that you could watch 1975 WS games on mlb.tv subscription..

by Nasty N8 on Jun 29, 2011 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was going off of the "legendary" part he wrote

I actually don’t know if you can either, but I think there are archives of some famous games. I’m not sure that was what he meant though. I found a DVD of that game at the library.

by pack_fan on Jun 29, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can

But I of course found it now
Baseball’s Best

"Look at me, Rex Banner. I have a new hat."

by Ram27 on Jun 30, 2011 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, really off topic.

Mariners called up catcher Jose Yepez today.
Who?
Ah, he’s a former RailCats catcher. I am really happy this guy gets a cup of coffee after laboring in the minors for so long.
Hip hip, Jose!

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jun 29, 2011 11:09 PM EDT reply actions  

That bastard better not strikeout

Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun

@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Jun 30, 2011 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

strikeouts don't hurt the team

just your feelings

Yes, those are lovely cocoanuts.

by supergrover on Jun 30, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

So I just watched Fire in Babylon

a documentary about the late 1970s-early 80’s West Indies Cricket Team. I really, really, highly recommend it. Trailer here. I don’t know anything about cricket, but I can get behind a 6’8" pitcher nicknamed Whispering Death, repeatedly bruising a man who told reporters he’d “make the black men grovel”, and a reminder that Bob Marley was something before white teenagers ruined his legacy.

Trailer here.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jun 29, 2011 11:40 PM EDT reply actions  

I know nothing of cricket, but Crolf probably does.

anyhow, I also know nothing of Marley’s legacy so I am curious as to your comment about how white teenagers ruined it. (No, this isn’t the start of a debate!)

Watching the trailer, I had some trouble understanding the dialect, so that may hurt its overall appeal.

I do know the sport is played extensively in Pakistan, India and other places where the British once ruled.

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jun 30, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is it possible for attendance to get any better

unless the reds become some powerhouse? I just noticed avg attendance is literally the same as last year, 2008 and 2007. And was better in 2006, (marginally, still but the largest increase) wtf? I guess “the trade” really brought the fans

by mrsmith35sg on Jun 29, 2011 11:43 PM EDT reply actions  

The Reds have been the victims of exceptionally bad weather

It seems like most of the time the Reds have been in town in April & May, it always seemed like a decent chance the game was going to get rained out.

I think if we get a good stretch of weather and the Reds play well, attendance will markedly improve.

by Nasty N8 on Jun 29, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think another part of it is the fanbase is expecting the Reds to fail

would be nice if the Reds can sustain enough success for a few years to reverse that feeling

by pack_fan on Jun 30, 2011 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fielder has twice as many home runs as Votto

but he still has fewer runs scored and a lower OBP. This means that Votto is obviously a better player—definitely a good argument

by Red_Poodle on Jun 30, 2011 1:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Boom goes the Willy Mo

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.

by -ManBearPig on Jun 30, 2011 1:53 AM EDT reply actions  

dude...

he’s gonna injure someone doing that. I hate when Gomes does the “pick you up by your legs” thing too.

Yes, those are lovely cocoanuts.

by supergrover on Jun 30, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

gotta be better

than Ryan Freel’s “kick you in the face” move.

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by BubbaFan on Jun 30, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

So much frequent Negativity, here is a positive.

The month of June was the most successful month for the Reds beginning and ending with wins and a 14-12 record. Much better than May’s 14-15 month and slightly better than April’s 13-13 month. July is make it or break it with games against St. Louis, Milwaukee, and Pittsburgh.

by Jack Armstrong started an All Star Game on Jun 30, 2011 10:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Fo sho ... we need to average 15 wins a month.

Not doing that is putting us behind the leaders. I had hoped for 20 in June to “catch up” so maybe we can just do it against the leaders now.

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jun 30, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

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