Red Reposter - Catching up
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MLBTradeRumors thinks Ramon Hernandez is one of the most attractive trade chips right now
With the Reds' depth at catcher and the serious lack of quality at the position league-wide, they are in a most enviable position. He makes only $3 mil this year, is only signed for the one year, and will probably be a type-A free agent at the end of the year. And with Devin Mesoraco crushing throats in AAA, the Reds can very likely stand to move Ramon without hurting their playoff chances.
The real question though is whether or not they will move him at all. I'm of a mind to actively shop him, and that right soon. His value will never be higher than it is at this moment, with him slashing .316/.379/.526 and so many contenders looking for production from the catcher position. We all know this is not the real Clutch-Man-Monie, as good as he is. He's 35 and has bad knees, so he could tail off or land on the DL at any moment. Dusty has done a fantastic and laudable job in keeping him fresh, so I'm not really worried about his health, but rather my point is that he's at his absolutely peak right now. He's never going to be better and more valuable as a trade chip.
I don't think the Reds will do it though. He's by all appearances a clubhouse leader, valued teammate, and most importantly, a known-quantity. The Reds are not going to take a risk with Mesoraco as long as they are in the race. And while that may not be the best dollars-and-cents baseball decision, it's certainly a defensible one. -
One of the best things about having two good catchers on the Major League roster
is that when one of them has an achy back, the other can easily shoulder the load. Ryan Hanigan has been bothered by back spasms for the last week and sat last night in deference to Ramon Hernandez. "We're doing what we can to let it calm down," Hanigan said. "It's spasming. I could play if I had to. We're letting it cool down because it hasn't been getting better." -
P-Doc is heartened by Mike Leake's performance last night
but is still curbing his enthusiasm. "Is he a guy to lead the Reds back to 1st place? Nope. That guy is J. Cueto. Is he someone The Club can count on for six decent innings every time out? Not yet. Could he be? Yup. Since returning from ‘Ville, Leake has made seven starts, gone 4-2 and pitched at least 6 innings every time. He has walked just 8 hitters in 47 innings. Can he be some glue for an underachieving rotation? We’ll see." -
Hiroki Kuroda could be a potential target for the Reds if they are looking to improve the starting rotation
Unfortunately, he has a no-trade clause and according to lil' Kenny Rosenthal he will require "compensation" to waive it. He is making $12 mil this year in LA and even though they may be looking to dump payroll, the extra "compensation" would probably push him out of the Reds' price range. Or at the very least, make him cost-prohibitive for them to acquire. He's a good pitcher, but he's probably not worth the $6 mil or so plus a prospect to make it happen. The Reds could ask the Dodgers to pick up the money, but with them in bankruptcy currently I highly doubt they would be inclined to do so.
The more attractive target, in my opinion, is the man taking the mound against the Reds in tomorrow's tilt, James Shields. If the Rays are mired in 3rd place at the end of July they could look to move him. He's probably the only true-ace pitcher that could possibly hit the market this summer, and so would cost a butt load to get. Fortunately, "butt load" is the precise modifier most GMs are using to describe the Reds' quantity of prospects at the moment.
It appears that Brandon Phillips has gotten passed his "swing out of his shoes" phase
and has settled in as a top-of-the-order kind of hitter. For now, anyway. He's 16 for his last 32 and won the Joe Nuxhall Memorial Star of the Game Award last night. "I really haven't been thinking about hitting home runs like I used to back in the past," Phillips said. "I said, 'I'm going to go back to my old self and be me,' instead of trying to worry about my batting average or a lot of things. I want to go out there and be myself and do what I do best. Whatever happens, happens."
Miguel Cairo is the last surviving member of the original '98 vintage of Tampa Bay Devil Rays
"I'm very thankful and grateful for what I have and for what I've accomplished all these years," Cairo said. "To be the last man standing from that '98 season, it feels good that I'm still playing and that I can do it and I can still help a major-league team. I've still got that fire. I still love it."
Grant Brisbee looks at the seasons former wunderkinds Dontrelle Willis and Oliver Perez are having
and takes heart. They are both only 29 years old, even though it seems like they've been around since the first Bush administration. Here's his take on Willis:
"Willis has been as good, but he's been doing it for a larger sample. The Reds have already used nine (!) starting pitchers this year, and the rotation is still in flux, with Travis Wood recently bounced from the rotation. Willis isn't on the 40-man roster, but he stands out as one of the better starters on the Reds' organizational depth chart. Again, it's the control that's especially encouraging. Willis was historically wild when he was released. While his walk rate isn't superlative for triple-A, it's a far cry from what led to him being a baseball vagabond."
I'd love to see Willis succeed in the bigs again, mostly because it would be for my team, but mostly because he's such a nice guy. Here's hopin'.
Check out this kid's arm
Johnny Damon and Juan Pierre just looked toward each other and then quickly looked the other way.
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huhuh...Butt.
huhuh…Load.

No problem, fuckweasel! - jch24
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jun 28, 2011 12:08 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
rec'd
We need Brandon Larson to Play 3rd! Can't be worse than Rentawreck, right?!?
by BiggerRedMachines on Jun 28, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Trading Hernandez
With Hanigan hurting, this seems like the right time to test D Mesoraco. DL Hanigan for 15 days, bring up Mesoraco for about 10 starts, and check the early returns. Should give us some idea of what the dropoff would be for the Reds if they traded Ramon.
Meso would need to be put on the 40-man, then
and while it’s at 39 now (I think) that’s because Willis’ spot is on ice.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
No way Cash Monie goes anywhere unless the team completely shits the bed
Our latin pitchers love him. Possibly because they are racist and don’t wanna throw to a gringo.
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jun 28, 2011 12:20 PM EDT reply actions
Great theory
"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jun 28, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
It's probably not worth noting or even thinking about,
but there is a certain… homogeneity… in our various battery combinations. Arroyo with Hanigan, Cueto and Volquez with Hernandez.
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jun 28, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I think people often make too much of this
I think it’s a bit more important for a guy like Arroyo, who throws 15 different pitches, but for most pitchers a game plan can be put together in half an hour before the game, regardless of catcher. These pitchers have thrown to dozens of different catchers over their lifetimes, so why is it such a big deal?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 28, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I know, it's almost certainly meaningless....
But the catching platoon is clearly set up according to the rotation. Nothing unusual about that. Nothing unusual about pitchers preferring certain catchers. Nothing really unusual about Spanish speaking players sticking together. Especially ones that still use interpreters in press conferences despite having been in the country for several years.
Again.. I’m not sayin… I’m just sayin.
Again.. I’m not sayin… I’m just sayin.
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jun 28, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely.
Greg Maddux was famous for dragging Henry Blanco all over with him. He could get away with that, he’s Greg Maddux.
I’m sure if the catching situation was Jason LaRue and Ivan Rodiguez, Pudge would be getting most of the starts. But if you have two roughly even catchers, may as well give them the people they’re comfortable with and run with it.
I’m always fascinated by the batterymate operations, but I don’t think race has much to do with it. I’m sure Hanigan speaks Spanish and CMM speaks English.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Here's another one...
Tim Wakefield and Doug Mirabelli.
Talk about finding a niche.
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jun 28, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought it was more of a deal that Arroyo usually liked to have his own catcher.
First Ross, now Hanny.
Singer: So did you know you can bring a gun in here now?
'Mache: I BROUGHT TWO! **flexes**
I think that stems from his unorthodoxy
He pitches “backwards”, as Welsh puts it, and so probably needs extra time with his catcher to get on the same page. It’s probably just easier for everyone involved if he stays with one catcher instead of trying to teach two of them how he works.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 28, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I'm get why Arroyo is like that, but I was just thinking that it seemed less like the Latin pitchers insist on having Hernandez catch them,
but something that was convenient, and may partly stem from Arroyo Hanigan always catching Arroyo’s starts.
Singer: So did you know you can bring a gun in here now?
'Mache: I BROUGHT TWO! **flexes**
Ahhh
I getcha. I think we are on the same page.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 28, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
And for all we know, the homogenousity is just another of Dusty's favorite toothpick rules.
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by PeteyHendrix on Jun 28, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Did the entire '98 Devil Rays team except for Miguel die in a
freak Devil Ray swarm? Is that why they changed the name?
"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jun 28, 2011 12:33 PM EDT reply actions
I heard the original name for the Devil Rays was going to be Satan Fish but they thought it was too blasphemous.
"I slyde my boehner into sexsalad...."
Sounds like a johnu1 production. --jch24
I would have preferred Lucifer Lake Loons
"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jun 28, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty good bit of dry wit from Gomes:
"It was a good opportunity to show the Reds the guidelines on the catwalk." — Jonny Gomes on his home run.
"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jun 28, 2011 12:46 PM EDT reply actions
Can anyone explain this?

Ted Williams batting at Crosley Field. It must have been an exhibition game of some sort. Its a cool picture. Would they have played exhibition games before the season?
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
by -ManBearPig on Jun 28, 2011 12:58 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I doubt it
there are scores of other games on the scoreboard.
"At the very end, somebody took a dump right where I stood in the dugout every day." Dusty Baker
curious
I know the score is 2-1. looks like hits are 4-3
is that 2 errors?
Wonder what the other bigger numbers(18-8 and 19-10) represent.
I can also see the At-Bat 9.
Then there’s also a “10”, but it can’t be the pitcher since the catcher is wearing a 10.
Also, it’s the fifth inning and 5 minutes to 10 oclock. Double header? Late mofo’in game?
Yes, those are lovely cocoanuts.
The ground around home plate looks wet, maybe a delay
the 10 could be the on deck hitter. 18-8 and 19-10 could be team records. All just guesses.
I think the 19 is the pitcher
If this is the White Sox, then #10 at catcher would have to be Sherm Lollar, who is the only catcher for the White Sox that wore #10 during Williams’ playing days. If 19 is the pitcher, which this picture indicates it likely is, that would mean the pitcher is Billy Pierce, who was a lefty for the White Sox from 1951-1961. That would mean the 18 was the Red Sox pitcher, which would be Frank Sullivan, who wore 18 from 1953-1960 for the Red Sox.
Put all of that together, and you get this game where Williams faced Pierce in the 6th inning at Comiskey trailing 2-1 with Lollar behind the plate and Sullivan on the mound for the Red Sox. Williams struck out in the AB.
It’s almost too easy. Gawd I love Baseball-Reference.
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by Slyde on Jun 28, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Oh, and the 8 and 10 are probably the catcher
- for the Red Sox was Pete Daley, that day’s catcher and we already know #10 was Lollar.
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stupid SB Nation
That should say #8 for the Red Sox
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All those years of getting picked on as a kid
… have led to this one triumphal moment. Bask in it Slyde!
(jk….. I’m a scientist for crissakes)
The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!
I went to an exhibition game in 1968 at Crosley
between the Reds and Indians. This took place in the middle of the season. I was 7y/o and got my tickets for Knothole baseball.
"At the very end, somebody took a dump right where I stood in the dugout every day." Dusty Baker
I recall the Reds playing exhibitions against the Tigers
and the Indians. Those were for youth baseball programs in the cities at the time.
So this would have been one of those games.
Before the “new” scoreboard, which I think they installed around 1955.
The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.
that's a beautiful picture
and hey! how about the huge Chesterfield Cigarettes ad on the scoreboard?
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Mmm... smooth and relaxing
NOT
I bought a pack of unfiltered Chesterfields on a whim a few years ago and I felt like my body had a similar experience to 20 years in the coal mines.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jun 28, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Any idea when this was taken?
My dad wants to know.
Come on, old timers, help me out.
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jun 28, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
9:57 PM
Yes, those are lovely cocoanuts.
by supergrover on Jun 28, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
You cheeky bastard.
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jun 28, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think that's Crosley
I don’t see any indication that Crosley had lighted numbers on the scoreboard. Here’s the old scoreboard:

Also, that scoreboard looks like it says BOSTON and SOX, which makes me think it is this scoreboard from Comiskey:
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by Slyde on Jun 28, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
oh... what he said...
"I slyde my boehner into sexsalad...."
Sounds like a johnu1 production. --jch24
Fair enough.
The article mentions the first night game at Crosley and the scoreboards have similar clocks which made me think it was Crosley. Thanks for clearing that up.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Yes, the article confused me too
It’s a poorly written sentence actually that makes it sound like Ted Williams played in the first night game at Crosley if you aren’t reading closely enough.
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It's fitting
that Ted Williams led the Red Sox over the Reds in the first night game ever and then led them to a World Series victory over the Reds in ’75.
by Brian B on Jun 28, 2011 7:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Also...
The Pirates-Reds game is up on the scoreboard.
Oh well. The picture is much less interesting now, but still pretty cool.
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jun 28, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
And I just now realized that Slyde's photo is not a magical enhancement of the Williams photo
I’ll see myself to the door.
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jun 28, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I see we're losing to the Pirates ... again ...
The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.
That leaves a bad taste in my mouth
in the past, present, and future.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jun 28, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
that's cool but i don't think that's Crosley... I've never seen the scoreboard look like that.
"I slyde my boehner into sexsalad...."
Sounds like a johnu1 production. --jch24
I don't think it's wise to trade Hernandez unless its a starting player in return.
He knows the staff, he’s playing better than ever and he’s cheap. Hanigan and Hernandez splitting time has been an awesome idea and if Moresco is the “man” behind the plate, splitting time with Hanigan is not going to help him. Unless we fall out of the race, I don’t think you trade him.
by Jack Armstrong started an All Star Game on Jun 28, 2011 1:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Ramon is a valuable asset that is an unwise, unnecessary luxury for this franchise.
Bring up D-Mes for Hanny’s 15-day DL trip, like brown07 sez above. See whatcha got, then option D-Mes back down until the trade market peaks.
He is far more valuable at this moment to other teams than he is to the Reds. A case can be made that D-Mes will more likely have a better 2nd half this year.
Gotta trade him.
And whatever we get for him, we should package to the Dodgers for Kemp and/or to Baltimore to get JJ Hardy.
"Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching." - Satchel Paige
by PeteyHendrix on Jun 28, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I've said this in another thread before, but I'll throw it in here
I can completely see a 3 team trade developing, with the Giants getting Ramon and sending prospects to a third team, who would send a veteran bat with a few million left in salary (i.e. Hardy, Beltran, Bartlett, etc.)
No problem, fuckweasel! - jch24
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jun 28, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
There's still Pudge for the Giants to go after
I think he’s more realistic for the Giants
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
didn't they say they weren't interested in him already?
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
They could be playing coy
I’ve heard his name, Torrealba and Ramoan are the ones the Giants are most interested in
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
But when we throw in Edgar, how will they resist?
"Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching." - Satchel Paige
by PeteyHendrix on Jun 28, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think 15-20 games in the major's really tells you what you have.
Certainly won’t help in September when you are playing the Cards/Brewers with the division on the line.
Although, anything that would lead to Hardy and/or Kemp sounds good.
by Jack Armstrong started an All Star Game on Jun 28, 2011 3:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree on this.
I guess the better way to say it is that if D-Mes comes up, has no problem with handling the staff, and does a decent job at the plate and behind it, that it would make the decision easier.
"Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching." - Satchel Paige
by PeteyHendrix on Jun 28, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
David Price is a good lefty
Even though Price said this of our lineup:
“You never really look forward to facing those types of lineups, but it is fun,” Price said. “This is a team that can swing it extremely well and we all know that.”
I think they might have some trouble
I dunno
The way they’ve carved up other aces this year, I predict very bad things for David Price.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 28, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I like your optimism.
Why are you working the permit's desk, and why was that child clubbing your nuggets? ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Jun 28, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
The Lineup
Chris Heisey 7
Brandon Phillips 4
Joey Votto 3
Scott Rolen 5
Jay Bruce 9
Jonny Gomes DH
Ramon Hernandez 2
Drew Stubbs 8
Edgar Renteria 6
Johnny Cueto RHP
vs. LHP David Price
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Very bad things are going to happen to David Price tonight
Bruce, Monie, and Rolen all hit dingers.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 28, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I do too.
But I’ll just go ahead and say that I don’t think it’s going to be Jay Bruce that does those bad things.
Actually, I can kind of see Price making him look a little silly.
And yes, I hope I’m wrong.
No problem, fuckweasel! - jch24
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jun 28, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
teh fay
Thinks Cueto vs. Price is the best pitching matchup of the year.
I’d gripe about Renteria getting to start against lefties so often, but his splits are extreme this year, and Janish is actually hitting righties better. (SSS of course.)
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Maybe the best matchup in a Reds game
However, Beckett and Lee face off tonight.
When you come to the fork in the road, take it.
by poojols on Jun 28, 2011 5:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think we all need to give a slow clap for Dusty for batting Edgar 8th, despite the fact that he's a SS.
It’s only the 3rd time in 29 starts this year that he’s batted in the 8th slot.
"Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching." - Satchel Paige
by PeteyHendrix on Jun 28, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
clap even harder!
No problem, fuckweasel! - jch24
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jun 28, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
OIC.
And he’s only batted 9th once previously this year!
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by PeteyHendrix on Jun 28, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Busey approves

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
by -ManBearPig on Jun 28, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
So, so creepy.
All it’s missing is about a pint of blood scattered about while Gary licks his lips and blinks suggestively.
"Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching." - Satchel Paige
by PeteyHendrix on Jun 28, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
he's looking at me...
HE’S STILL LOOKING AT ME!
No problem, fuckweasel! - jch24
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jun 28, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is that a cat clock on the back wall?
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
Chris Carpenter's son begins his double life as a vigilante for justice...
"Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching." - Satchel Paige
by PeteyHendrix on Jun 30, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Just an interesting side note
Through 80 games, the Reds have 4 pitchers on pace to reach double digit wins (Arroyo, Leaks, Wood, and Cueto). The last time we had more than 2 pitchers in double digit wins? 2000 (Managed by Jack McKeon!) That wonderful 4-some? Steve Parris, Elmer Dessens, Ron Villone, and Danny Graves.
by Jack Armstrong started an All Star Game on Jun 28, 2011 5:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
THOSE 4 ALSO TEAMED TO LOSE 37 OUT OF THEIR 80 DECISIONS.
That team also featured Mark Wohlers.
"Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching." - Satchel Paige
by PeteyHendrix on Jun 28, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Good lord
Thosenames…
Yes, those are lovely cocoanuts.
by supergrover on Jun 28, 2011 6:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Danny Graves deserves a job in the organization.
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by PeteyHendrix on Jun 28, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions

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