Time to hand the keys to Heisey?
Just as it is with streaks and blowouts, it's easy to overreact to a Big Night. Fans hate when players they think are bad for the team have one, for fear that it might lock them into the starting lineup. Case in point, you'll never believe what this weird straw man I work with just said: "Gookie Dawkins is slugging .500 for Charlotte? He'll be Brian Gordon'd soon, so pen him into the #2 spot in the Reds lineup." That guy is a very baseball literate moron. The same voice that tempers this overreaction should also be heeded after Big Nights from players we'd actually like to see get some more playing time.
To put Heisey's 3 home run night into some perspective, consider that the HRs were hit at Great American Ball Park - two off Brian Gordon and one of Hector Noesi. And while a 3 HR game is rarefied space, it's a feat that's been accomplished since 2008 by such maligned former and current Reds as Edwin Encarnacion and Jonny Gomes (the very man Heisey is supposed to replace) in addition to, bizarrely, Jose Lopez. Still, a 3 HR night against the Yankees is not easily dismissed. At the very least, a monster performance against a Name Brand team could represent a turning point for Heisey in his starting struggles. After Wednesday night, Heisey's 2011 OPS in a starting role (in which he's only had 93 PAs) reached .740.
If Heisey is pressing his case to get the majority of playing time in LF, he'll need to be compared against the alternatives. Given what's likely to be available on the trade market from here to July 31, it's probably going to remain an team of LF rivals in the Reds orgnization. Heisey's immediate competition is Jonny Gomes and Fred Lewis, both of whom have been getting well at the plate lately. In the minors, Frazier, Sappelt and Alonso continue to hit, but I would put the latter two currently out of the conversation for reasons, respectively, of not being on the 40-man and not being acceptable defensively.
Here's a side-by-side comparison of the four this season:
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UZR/150 is measured in LF since beginning of career to get the biggest sample possible, but it probably creates small sample noise with Heisey. Gomes, meanwhile, has gotten at least a little better than his career numbers suggst.
| Player | wOBA | wRC+ | OBP | SLG | UZR/150 | Baserunning |
| Chris Heisey (144 PAs) | .359 | 124 | .333 | .492 | 10.3 | 0.9 |
| Fred Lewis (94 PAs) | .307 | 88 | .351 | .373 | 1.6 | -0.4 |
| Jonny Gomes (207 PAs) |
.336 | 108 | .338 | .421 | -15.9 | 1.2 |
| Player | wOBA | wRC+ | OBP | SLG | TZ Fielding Runs | SB |
| Todd Frazier (259 PAs - AAA) | .367 | 129 | .351 | .487 | 6 (174 G) | 9 |
Heisey can stake his claim on the following:
- While he's not tops in every category, he's probably the best all-around option, as suggested by his impressive wOBA and wRC+ marks. He offers emerging on-base skills, power, defense and good base-running, while being the youngest of the group. The upside alone could push him over the top.
- He's flipped his minor league splits since he reached the majors, hitting RHPs to the tune of .297/.360/.514. If this is close to being real, he makes a good case for taking most starts against righties, if not jumping to the conclusion that he's evened out and could handle the full-time job.
- While he may not be the base-stealing threat Fred Lewis is, he's a good base-runner with decent speed who can be placed anywhere in the lineup without much reservation
Is this enough to grant him 60-70% of starts the rest of the way?
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He's starting too!
Heisey 7, Phillips 4, Votto 3, Rolen 5, Bruce 9, Gomes DH, Stubbs 8, Hernandez 2, Janish 6, Volquez RHP
I was really hoping to get to see Cozart's debut tonight...
Still, I’m excited. Leaving in an hour for the game!
Why I like Heisey (or at least a Heisey/Lewis platoon)
they get Stubbs out of the leadoff spot.
I’m not saying this to excoriate Stubbs, who I think has done more than fine so far. But I think Stubbs is more valuable (and more comfortable) batting 5/6 than leadoff. His power game is great behind the big OBP’ers in the lineup, and he has the speed to get to 2nd or 3rd and get in in front of the catching duo. I think that’s where he’s most valuable in the lineup.
Heisis probably won’t OBP any differently from Stubbs, and are competent enough on base to walk on in after Votto/Bruce homer. I think they give the opportunity to turn this lineup that much closer to optimal.
Lewis’ stats are still a bit volatile, I think, whereas Heisey isn’t. I’m happy with the duo, and Gomes getting spot starts and ph opportunities.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Let's be honest
Or if we can’t, blow in my ear and make me tingly.
Anyway, Heisey is worth 1 HR a week for the Reds as a regular. That’s no bad deal, no reason to install him in Cooperstown or even give him a 10-year deal. I have been more disappointed with his defense than his hitting.
Long run, I wish he’d get the job full-time and let the “breather guy” be Gomer or Sappelt or Yonder or Frazier or Flewis or Dewey or Foster or Grant or Lincoln or … wait, scrap the Lincoln, Clyde.
I think Heisey is a fair candidate to lead off, as well.
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by btcoop71 on Jun 24, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
the guy on the left's hand looks 'shooped
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they're all shopped, aren't they?
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jun 24, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Speaking of Jorts
I can’t believe he got drafted, that’s a great story. If there were ever a great idea for a reality series it would be to follow him and his dad around NYC.
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I think Stubbs is more valuable in the lead-off spot
He gets on base well enough and the strikeouts hurt less with nobody on base. If he were a .500 slugger, I’d been all for moving him down, but I don’t see any reason to make a move to get him out of the lead-off spot.
That being said, if Heisey is playing, then by all means it makes no real difference which one leads off. I just don’t agree that Stubbs is more valuable elsewhere in the lineup. I think he’s done a good job leading off and I feel like his skills fit there best.
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Heisey is a better bunter.
Once this has been pointed out to Dusty, this decision is made.
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by PeteyHendrix on Jun 24, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
and there you have it
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jun 26, 2011 7:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Stubbs has stated he's more comfortable in the middle of the order, for whatever that's worth
I think his power is better suited to driving people in than Heisey, and you won’t see any remarkable dropoff in production with Heisey on base instead of Stubbs. The strikeouts are irrelevant wherever they occur. Say what you want about Neyer, but I love “Strikeouts don’t hurt your team. They hurt your feelings.”
Also: Yellow law out of fucking nowhere

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by Cuetotally Amazing on Jun 24, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
His comfort level doesn't show statistically
The difference between his numbers leading off and hitting 7th is about 13 total bases over 300 PA. So, even if he’s more comfortable in one spot as opposed to the other, it doesn’t really show in his production.
As for strikeouts, they do matter slightly more with men on base, especially 3B. Is it significant? Probably not so much as to bench a player, but it might make a difference if you can minimize his Ks with men on base.
Also, Chris Heisey has shown more power than Stubbs in the big leagues. He’s homered every 15 balls put into play while Stubbs has only done it every 17. In fact, it’s probably a silly argument because statistically, there really isn’t that much difference between the two players (and it’s not the point of the original post anyway).
Finally, yellow lab is very distracting!
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I think Stubbs has more potential than Heisey.
They’re give/take the same age, but I would bet on Stubbs having more potential for greater power than Heisey. Would you agree?
Talking about strikeouts with a man on 3rd? Arguably not statistically significant (as you said) and verging onto Marty territory. It makes one cringe, of course, but it’s ultimately no different than popping out with a man on third.
I think it ultimately comes down to where you think their numbers will trend. I think Stubbs’ will trend up (particularly SLG), Heisey’s will flatline.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
This is what I was going to say
We probably don’t have enough info yet to know exactly what kind of hitter Heisey is, but at this point, he and Stubbs seem remarkably similar. If they both play, I’m not sure it matters too much who hits where.
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by nycredsfan on Jun 24, 2011 3:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If you want to bat Heisey at the top of the lineup...
Shouldn’t he be batting second, with Phillips being the one to slide down? That would be the move I’d make.
but then where does BP go?
I remember this being discussed last year. He has too much of an ego to bat below 5. He’s not particularly great leading off. #2 is really the only place he’s going to be.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
he's not particularly great at anything offensively right now.
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I forget which Yankee talking head made this point (although I didn't agree with it)
Stubbs shouldn’t lead off b/c he strikes out too much
His Ks don’t bother me, but I’d like to see him in the middle to just after Votto/Rolen/Bruce if Heisey will lead off
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jun 26, 2011 7:03 AM EDT up reply actions
If it were me in Dusty's seat...
I’d be starting him, no question, and for all the reasons stated above.
In reality, I think he’ll get slightly increased PT this season, with perhaps the rights to LF coming into spring training 2012.
BTW, Heisey’s alma mater, Messiah College, has bought a section at Camden Yards for Sunday’s game, calling it Heisey Appreciation Day. I imagine Dusty has caught wind of this and will start him.
I'm not saying he's the Messiah, but the guy's got good people on his side.
Definitely have to start him, then.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Jun 24, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
We aren't allowed to have religious chats on this board, are we?
For God’s sake, I hope not.
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by jch24 on Jun 24, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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I was for it at the start of the season, and I'm still for it.
I’m ok with just starting Heisey against all of the lefties if that’s the way that Dusty wants to roll. Though I don’t think Dusty’s particularly fond of platoons, so if he wants to pick on guy, I’m ok with it being Heisey.
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I thought Gomes mashes lefties?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jun 26, 2011 7:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd love to see Heisey get a shot
I don’t really care if he leads off or not. But I wanted him in LF instead of Gomes since spring training.
Gomes is a team guy. I think he’ll be okay as a bench bat.
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may/may not be considering retirement. His house may have been paid for by the Houston management, but I’m pretty sure his performance against the Reds is worth a room or two in there.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Guess that officially rules out them trading Hamels
Now if only Lee or Halladay would retire
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by nycredsfan on Jun 24, 2011 3:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
and if Utley would get Hurt and Howard old and fat...
oh wait
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jun 24, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
The Philistines are only 4 pitchers and 2 regulars away from being the worst team in the NL-E.
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by btcoop71 on Jun 24, 2011 3:56 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
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I know this is probably too large, but my god I can't stop laughing at it.

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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jun 24, 2011 4:16 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
I think exactly what they accomplished
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jun 26, 2011 7:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I can't stop watching this.
It’s… like… I don’t know.
Does anyone know how to put silly sound effects on a gif?
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jun 24, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Like a boingsplash?
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jun 24, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
selective statistics?
what were Heisey’s #’s prior to the 3-HR game? His OPS jumped from .738 to .826 in one game.
As much as I like Heisey starting, I seriously doubt he finishes the year over .800. He’s more likely to be around last year’s ending OPS of .757, which is about where Gomes is currently and where he will likely be at the end of the season.
With how well Heisey handles pinch-hitting, I don’t have nearly the amount of heartburn about Gomes getting starts in LF.
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but
If Heisey and Gomes are equal with the bat, then I still prefer Heisey, because his defense is better.
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