Is it finally Zack Cozart Day?
The Fay is speculating that Zack Cozart could finally be getting the call-up to the big club. In case you've been under a rock or similarly isolated place for the past month or so, Coz is slashing a robust .320/.362/.498 for Louisville so far this year. The question is, who would he replace? Neither Reds shortstop is doing much at the plate, as Paul Janish is slashing .234/.263/.278 and Edgar Renteria at .222/.301/.248. So do you send Janish to AAA (he has options) or do you cut Edgar and his $2+ mil salary?
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Charlie Scrabbles
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Cut edgar
The money is gone whether he’s on the team or not. He is not going to help this team win. The end.
by thevole on Jun 23, 2011 10:40 AM EDT reply actions 7 recs
Yeah, what he said!
there is nothing to beer, but beer itself
by HalMorrisHasALazyBat on Jun 23, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey buddy, how was your TV watching experience last night?
And was this the “cute girl from the bar”?
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
I thought it was a player's ball!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6ptkMl4uwE
No problem, fuckweasel! - jch24
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jun 23, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd
Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Jun 23, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's not take Fya's word as fcat
he was just speculating, after all. I hope he’s right, but I don’t think we should all assume The Coz is coming up.
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
that being said
I’ve already gotten my hopes up.
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
So you're saying I shouldn't have given my life savings to that bookie?
uh oh
there is nothing to beer, but beer itself
by HalMorrisHasALazyBat on Jun 23, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
JELLO PUDDING POPS FOR ALL!
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jun 23, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
do they still make jello pudding pops?
They seem so…’80s.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I found them a while back at Bigg's and was overjoyed
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Right
And I say as such in the post, if any of you would ever bother to read anything instead of just jumping straight to the comments!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 23, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Not sure what I meant by this
The day that sbnation adds a delete comment feature will be a good day
Fuck it, we'll do it live.
You don't have a delete button? I have a delete button.
Sounds like you need to upgrade the SBN Gold.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Of course, complimentary couch ride upon entering.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I did read it!
That’s why I used “speculation” in my comment! God, if you’d ever bother to read my mind you’d know what I meant. JEEZ
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
Jeez Weez!
Can you stop giving me the squeeze, please?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 23, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Can't help it, you're the bee's knees
talking to you is a breeze! Let’s have a picnic with wine and cheese.
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
Wine and cheese?
I’d rather have a Mountain Dew freeze.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 23, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
well, at least I made up for it with a Brown Recluse Spider reference in the FO thread
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
Just be glad she wasn't a caterpillar. Now that's cool to watch.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
edgar
And hope they finally learn their lesson and stop burning millions on over-the-hill veteran chaff.
When not lurking here, the sportsfrog is where I am.
fun game would be to guess who it'll be next season
Derrek Lee, future Red?
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
i will put one fake dollar on...
…jamey carroll
When not lurking here, the sportsfrog is where I am.
Omar Vizquel ftw!
No problem, fuckweasel! - jch24
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jun 23, 2011 11:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
scott rolen .... oh, wait.
snap!
"And a high fly ball to center field. He hit it a ton. And the 2010 National League Central Division Champs are the Cincinnati Reds!"
Even if he does get
called up, Dusty will just “Heisey” him for the rest of the year. Cozart’s only chance to play is if we send down Janish & DFA Edgar. Strike that, Dusty would still put Cairo at SS.
by Joe Nolan's Neckbeard on Jun 23, 2011 10:55 AM EDT reply actions
I don't think this is true.
Dusty has said publicly that he really likes Cozart, and I don’t think any case can be made that he is in love with either current SS.
If Cozart is on the team and hits at all, he’ll play.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
I was just being sarcastic.
I’m excited to see what he can do offensively. I’m sure he’ll play if, in fact, they do call him up.
by Joe Nolan's Neckbeard on Jun 23, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Cut Janish
and let him get back to his natural role in life as Jimmy Kimmel’s stunt double.
by IgnatiusJReilly on Jun 23, 2011 10:55 AM EDT reply actions
you son of a bitch
I’ve been posting Jimmy Janish pictures for over a year!
Don’t steal my schtick!
Yes, those are lovely cocoanuts.
by supergrover on Jun 23, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Gaeta from Battlestar

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
by -ManBearPig on Jun 23, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm glad someone agrees!
I think it’s kind of striking, actually.
How much wood could Chakkuchakkuchakku if you can throw a tree?
Is Ciao like Aloha or Shalom? I honestly didn't know that.
Or are you in Louisville and really excited to see him?
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Jun 23, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
you're right, after thinking about this for more than 2 seconds
I should go back to sleep.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Jun 23, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
ha! you're wrong!
I should stay awake.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Jun 23, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
The misuse of Italian words outside of Italy (read: in the US) is rampant and disgusting.
The next time I pass a cafe offering “panini sandwiches!” my head will explode.
Save up to 40 percent or more.
The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.
This actually prompted language "experts" to debate the legitimacy of the claim
and it is really not offensive when the intended message is considered.
Well if it's up to 40 percent, it can't be more than that.
The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.
Not that anyone particularly cares
but advertisers aren’t allowed to use outlier cases in advertising. They have to pick a number that a consumer could reasonably expect to achieve, even if it is not the highest possible number. So advertisers are actually giving you info about the distribution of possible savings. Any random person could reasonably expect to save up to 40%, and if you happen to be a special rare case, perhaps even more than that.
Discussion (if you are a language nerd like me)
Or pizza pie?
That is what they originally called.
The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.
This is probably true to an extent.
But it’s more the way we’ve appropriated (especially) Italian words into American English vocabulary that is irritating. There’s no real reason it should be irritating, but it is anyway.
That's kind of the story of the English language
That’s what the language has done for its entire history. It’s just happening notably and recently with Italian.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
Calling my orgasm a Salami Tsunami probably doesn't help.....sorry.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Jun 23, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Thank you for helping me reach my climax, much appreciated
Especially the looking me in the eyes part.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Russians are most likely to Americanize now
And the older ones have no idea what they are being told by the younger ones.
The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.
I was wondering when you were gonna come back around
I read about krokodil the yesterday or the day before. Holy shit it’s awful. Have you ever met someone that did it?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Back around?
I spent 3 days in LaLa Land and do not intend to go back. Then I spent the night in the fuckin’ airport because I had to come back to Chicago, where the airport is always closed.
The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.
Well, you weren't around the day I read the article :)
Ever heard of it? It’s a crude homemade substitute for heroin, only about a million times more toxic it seems.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
No contact with the stuff but Russians all have a death wish
The other Krokodil that I know is a cartoon croc.
There is a pretty rough line separating reality from truth in Russia.
The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.
I brought this up awhile back
and I think its perfectly acceptable to Americanize a foreign word (substitute any culture you like in there). For example someone needs to tell tHom to pronounce Arredondo like a fucking American. If you’re not going to roll the r’s what the hell in the point in pronouncing the o right (or wrong, which is probably what he is doing anyway).
Will it do the same when you pass an ATM machine and have to use your PIN number to get cash out?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
And please RSVP.
Singer: So did you know you can bring a gun in here now?
'Mache: I BROUGHT TWO! **flexes**
WTF fuck
I don’t think you caught the direction of the meme, did you?
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
ha! i didn't. tl;dr read
I really made that FUBAR recognition. I do understand the meme now, but I’m just pointing out my stupidity so you guys can lol out loud at me
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
the problem with both options is that either edgard or janish is going to remain on the team
kind of a catch-22
at least Janish can play defense, and 3B
and pitch
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
he can do all of those things
but he can do none of those things well.
or, at least well enough to live up to his reputation.
you make a fair point
although I’m still in love with his glove
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
His glove is good and all, but it's vastly overrated.
The arm is good, but to me it doesn’t seem like his range is any better than average. Just about all of his good plays come from firing one deep in the hole on a ball any SS would have had (but, of course, not where just any SS could make the throw and get an out.) I just don’t think his glove is good enough to come anywhere near making up for his horrendous bat.
"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428
defintely not top 5 MLB
and definitely not top 5 NL
janish is now in the decline phase of his career. his numbers will deteriorate from here on out.
i can deal with him being backup SS who gets 100 AB a year.
Tulo
Alcides Escobar
Jose Reyes
AGon
Josh Wilson
Ramon Santiago
Alexi Ramirez
Yunel Escobar
Wilson Valdez
Brendan Ryan (if he was playing)
I will grant you Tulo, Yunel, Alcides, and Ryan
I would grant you Wilson and maybe AGon about 4 years ago. The others are all pretty comparable, probably, more like splitting hairs (except maybe Reyes).
at RR?
Surely you jest.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
The way he's been hitting so far this year
He could be three Ozzie Smiths in the field and not make up for it.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 23, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
He wouldn't need to hit any better if Dusty used him as a LIDR and limited his starts
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jun 23, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Can't anything be overrated without it being "vastly" overrrated?
Can you explain the difference. And cite your sources, please.
by Brian B on Jun 23, 2011 2:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
hehehe
"Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching." - Satchel Paige
by PeteyHendrix on Jun 23, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll bite on this...
I’d send Janish down. Yes, Renteria is already a sunk (suck?) cost, and he’s limited to SS. Still, he’s an asset that the team values, and you don’t just get rid of that when you have other options. Janish can be sent down without losing anyone. I’d bet that’s what they’d do.
The interesting question then becomes how Negron and Janish will split time at AAA
Negron has barely played SS this year for the Bats. He has played just about everywhere else, though.
Janish would get 95% of the starts at SS.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
I think I'm with you on this
Neither is of value to the team right now, so I’m willing to give Renteria another month as a back up to see if he can bounce back. If he can’t, then we call Janish back up and give him the pink slip. At the very least, he’s injury insurance.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 23, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
If we want to keep Reneteria...
We just put him on the 15 day DL instead of DFA’ing him.
We can even have him play in AAA if we want, though I think we’d pass.
we could only do that if he agreed
And I’m not sure he would.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Yeah, given that he was "offended" by a $1 million offer from the Giants in the offseason
I seriously doubt he would accept an assignment to the minors.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
He'll get nothing and like it!

Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun
by btcoop71 on Jun 23, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Here's a solution.

He can be postgame entertainment for the kiddies.
STACHE SMASH!!!
by Corky's Stache on Jun 23, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Believe it or not, I don't really care much who goes (although it seems dumb to keep Renteria around, but whatevs)
I do think some tempered expectations are in order though. I’ve been banging the Cozart drum so loudly and persistently I think that some people might have a skewed idea of what we’d be getting.
First of all, the defens is legit. You might see a slight drop from Janish defensively, but I don’t think it will be much, if anything. He has a similar range, better hands, and a slightly less strong arm. But what you won’t get is pasta diving and a bunch of “Janish woulda had that” moments. He’s going to look and perform like a real MLB shortstop.
At the plate, this is not an elite bat we’re talking about here. He doesn’t walk enough and I don’t see him ever hitting above .300 in the majors. HOWEVA. He has legitimate power and real base stealing ability. I think it’s entirely possible he might come in and only put up a line of .260/.300/.400 or so. Worst case scenario, it could be a bit lower. My guess on his floor is something like .240/.280/.370. Still much better than Janteria. But the exciting part is that there is real upside here, especially with the power, and especially in GABP. I think .270/.320/.450 is about as good as we could hope for, but that isn’t entirely out of the question. If he does that, I think we’d all be thrilled.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
.

"Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching." - Satchel Paige
by PeteyHendrix on Jun 23, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I haven't been banging the drum because I think Wolfgang is going to set the world on fire
It’s just that we need SOMEONE and Coz is the best someone we’ve got.
Miss a day, miss a lot
I check in here a few times a week, never in the game threads, which is where the nicknames must spawn.
WTF is Wolfgang? (Thinks for a minute.) Oh my. Brilliant.
I'll take .260 if it means the 8 spot in our lineup doesn't consistently look like an infield pop up festival
there is nothing to beer, but beer itself
by HalMorrisHasALazyBat on Jun 23, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. The possibility that the SS might actually hit something other than a single makes me all tingly.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
Most of the time Chris sounds like an asshat, but that statement is spot on and hilarious
there is nothing to beer, but beer itself
by HalMorrisHasALazyBat on Jun 23, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I really like Chris. I think he's the best announcer currently associated with the Reds.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
by nycredsfan on Jun 23, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Marty is still my favorite
Chris for whatever reason rubs me the wrong way.
there is nothing to beer, but beer itself
by HalMorrisHasALazyBat on Jun 23, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
This make me a saaad panda.
When one little panda sticks his winkie in another little panda's ear... that's sexual harassment. That makes me a saaaad panda.
by Sexual Harassment Panda on Jun 23, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Marty started off yesterday's broadcast complaining about how long the day was gonna be.
Literally, it was his first comment. Poor old sack of fluffy-haired shit.
And when the Yanks homered in game 1 to take a 4-2 lead, Marty said, “Well it didn’t take long for Mike Leake to untie this game.” and “Mike Leake looks disgusted on the mound – and he should.”
When the other team is successful, he bags on the Reds. I don’t need to hear that shit from the monopoly radio voice. It’s REALLY inappropriate.
"Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching." - Satchel Paige
by PeteyHendrix on Jun 23, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
you are listening on mlb.com right
listen to the other team, there is a choice.
Nothing succeeds like failure.
I almost always do.
But you can’t reasonably expect me to listen to the Yankees announcers.
"Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching." - Satchel Paige
by PeteyHendrix on Jun 23, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
true
well i mean, we had somebody do a written pbp of an entire game a week or so ago.
Nothing succeeds like failure.
Kelch?
It’s close for me
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jun 23, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Kelch is vastly underrated
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 23, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
perfect
Hey ’than and Chuck, look what I found!
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
i saw her the other day in the dilemma
that movie was awful and she had a weird eyebrow thing going on
whoa. he said that?

Yes, those are lovely cocoanuts.
by supergrover on Jun 23, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
holy artery!
No problem, fuckweasel! - jch24
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jun 23, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
scar
melanomas
Yes, those are lovely cocoanuts.
by supergrover on Jun 23, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I might sob happy tears if Cozart hits a double in his first game
there is nothing to beer, but beer itself
by HalMorrisHasALazyBat on Jun 23, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't actually think a fix like this will help the team
But it might. Whatever we do, sacrificing defense, baserunning and infield smarts would not be a good idea.
Hitting: We can abide PJ’s bat if IF we don’t have slump-of-the-week hitting 7th in the order.
Not much we can do about that.
PJ has warning track fly ball power and rarely drives the ball into the gap.
He doesn’t get enough doubles to be useful as a hitter. (Or singles either but … the point is … whatever)
So … if Cozart can get some gapper doubles, plus not sacrifice what PJ does well, I’d say go for it.
But we would need an injury before it happens and I am all right with that as well.
If we have to use Rentawreck every day, a weakened defense will cost us more than any AAA bat would.
The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.
So basically...
Janish can be as much of a liability as he wants offensively, but because of him no one else is ever allowed to slump?
Communism in baseball!
"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428
I don't know if Janish is in a slump or not
He always hits .211.
The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.
If one person has little value, that's fine because everyone else is supposed to step up and fill his role to keep the whole producing.
That’s a little like Communism, no? (It’s obviously a loose comparison, so don’t kill me.)
"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428
i hope you stretched before writing that...
and i think that is like well everything which is a group effort.
Nothing succeeds like failure.
Not sure what you mean.
Just trying to paint an accurate picture of what Cozart might provide.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
Damnit! Haven't you realized by now I don't have a sense of humor?!?!?!
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
those cats look PISSED
No problem, fuckweasel! - jch24
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jun 23, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Wouldn't you be? You know how hard it is to properly scrub your lower back?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
uh
they have to LICK it
Yes, those are lovely cocoanuts.
by supergrover on Jun 23, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
She really needs to shave her pussy.
"Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching." - Satchel Paige
by PeteyHendrix on Jun 23, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I have a pretty good idea, and it's going to be FANTASTIC
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
damn near join'd'um!!
wait, what?
Yes, those are lovely cocoanuts.
by supergrover on Jun 23, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
monkeys and apes distill moonshine?
or is it the church’s still they’re referring to?
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Jun 23, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
the massive amount of things that are wrong with that sign
the misuse of the word ‘their’ is by far the most offensive.
there is nothing to beer, but beer itself
by HalMorrisHasALazyBat on Jun 23, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh I think the affront to science is offensive
but goddamnit, as an editor and writer, that ‘their’ drives me up a wall
there is nothing to beer, but beer itself
by HalMorrisHasALazyBat on Jun 23, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Hell, there's no punctuation in it either.
As an affront to science … nah … not enough information to qualify as dissent.
The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.
Don't be adding me to your Christmas card list.

The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.
Hey! Stop monkeying around!
there is nothing to beer, but beer itself
by HalMorrisHasALazyBat on Jun 23, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Leaving Bakersfield for Greenland would be a promotion.
The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.
I wonder what the FO is going to do with Grandal and D-Mes
I can’t help but think they have been planning all along to trade one or the other. Meso could be in the bigs this year, Grandal next year, but why sign Hanigan if not intending to trade somebody?
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jun 23, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I still say that one of them moving to 1B after Votto leaves is still a distinct possibility
Meso and Hanigan in 2012.
Hanigan and Yasmoraco in 2014, with the other half manning 1B.
That just leaves 2013 as a potentially crowded/awkward year.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
don't forget
2012: 200 lb Yonder covering serious ground in LF!
No problem, fuckweasel! - jch24
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jun 23, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
200lb Yonder?
Did he cut off an arm and leg?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
that would make it quite hard to "cover serious ground," wouldn't it?
No problem, fuckweasel! - jch24
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jun 23, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
He could get one of those super cool tank wheelchairs Charlie Scrabbles was making fun of a while back
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
covering serious ground
"Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching." - Satchel Paige
by PeteyHendrix on Jun 23, 2011 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
This might sound odd at first...
…but I think D-Mes should be playing corner OF instead of DHing on days he does not catch. Being able to handle himself in a corner OF spot would make him more easily-viable to call up.
"Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching." - Satchel Paige
by PeteyHendrix on Jun 23, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
If his legs are beat up from catching
they may just want to give him a day off of using ‘em. He’s still a young guy, no use putting milage on him in AAA. I’m not sure if I disagree with you, but the alternative is certainly viable.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Agreed on all points.
"Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching." - Satchel Paige
by PeteyHendrix on Jun 24, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
There's your big news of the day
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
to borrow form Francis Bacon
RR redoubleth the joys of winning, and cutteth griefs from losses in half
"Knowledge is power. France is bacon."
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I thought France was toast.
French toast.
Canadian bacon.
The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.
I don't want to send Janish away
I think he has far more upside than Renteria. I know this is unquantifiable, but I also think sending Janish away would hurt team chemistry and send a bad message. Favoring aging, deteriorating veterans over younger, home grown talent, even though struggling, is a bad plan.
Agreed.
If Coz gets called up and becomes the starting SS, he’s not going to play every single day. Who would you rather get those 20-40% of the starts, Janish or Edgard? I’m going to choose Paul. Plus he can play more than one position, and actually plays his position with above average D. Keeping Edgard and sending down Janish is bad juju.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
by -ManBearPig on Jun 23, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
Janish has shown himself to be reliable defensively despite a number of errors this season. Some of his errors, I think, come on plays nobody else would have had a shot at. In any case, his utility in the infield and emergency pitching/catching abilities make him the more valuable player than Renteria
ridiculous
how can someone be reliable who creates lots of errors? a 49 OPS+ is historically piss poor. also, i did a write up on janish’s range factor rating compared to the other NL SS.
he’s nowhere near the top. his range has been vastly overrated.
im totally dismissing janish’s value as an emergency pitcher/catcher. thats right up there with being valuable as a bat boy.
Do you know what range factor means?
It is simply an average of the number of outs a player makes in the field, per game. It really has nothing to do with how good a fielder is.
This is especially true for an infielder on a team full of flyball pitchers.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
i'd think a team of strikeout pitchers would deflate range factor also
but over the course of 162 games one will see a pattern in range factor. wait, this stat isnt supporting your argument, right? dismiss it!
Who says that over the course of 162 games one will "see a pattern"?
If anything, one is more likely to see a more extreme pattern as the sample skews more towards Ks or FBs.
Also, this team is full of strikeout pitchers and FB pitchers, so….
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
well if that's the case
janish has created waaaaaaaay too many errors. we probably need a staff full of K and FB pitchers to minimize the damage.
I'm done arguing about Janish, especially with you
I’ll be happy to discuss the relative merits of various defensive metrics if you’d like, but I have a feeling that won’t interest you.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
been reading defensive metrics analysis for 25 years
still an imperfect science.
I guess you should give up reading then.
"Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching." - Satchel Paige
by PeteyHendrix on Jun 23, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I am on your side in this argument, nyc
but this team is not full of FB or K pitchers. Only Arroyo and Wood are FB pitchers, and only Volquez is a K pitcher, looking at starters.
Somedays I wonder if you actually read the comments that you slam.
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by PeteyHendrix on Jun 23, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I can tell you this
It may be Zach Cozart day, but it ain’t white boy day.

"This is the St. Louis Cardinals we're talking about. They suck. Screw them. With a shovel. The sharp metal end. And then set them on fire." - crolfer
by rorschach1979 on Jun 23, 2011 12:38 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Anyone hear Pujols WLB comment of the day?
When asked whether his injury would affect his contract negotiations, Pujols snapped at a reporter saying, “Thats a stupid question, yo. That’s straight up ridiculous, yo.” I didn’t realize Pujols was so thin skinned, and yet so gangsta.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Why would somebody NOT ask that?
The man is homing in on a $500 million deal. Anything that affects his swing would be grounds for query. Albert needs to be more swell about this.
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x
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by jch24 on Jun 23, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
that person has got to be on a sex offender registry somewhere
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
Which Smothers died?
The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.
Never mind.
http://www.deadoraliveinfo.com/dead.nsf/pages-nf/main
The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.
did not realize that was a Smothers Brother
but still, that pic makes him look like a young’un diddler
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
That's THE Smothers Brother.
Tom was a major force against utilitarian government and battled the FCC for years – on a weekly basis – regarding free speech, especially speech against corrupt government and the Vietnam War. His show was perhaps the most important media outlet at the time, far moreso than The Daily Show is today. His legacy is as a heroic, important American…besides being really funny and talented.
"Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching." - Satchel Paige
by PeteyHendrix on Jun 23, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I remember our middle school history teacher showing us old Smothers Brothers broadcasts
I didn’t get why for the first few, but once I caught the jig, I loved ’em.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
He also makes two delightful cameos in the work of my favorite artist, Ed Ruscha.
As the chauffeur in the book Crackers and the companion film, Premium.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Jun 23, 2011 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
a few surprising stats
I posted this on the Orioles series preview, but this thread is much busier, so, here it is…
Johnny Gomes’s OPS > Drew Stubbs OPS
Miguel Cairo’s OPS > Scott Rolen’s OPS
Mike Leake’s OPS > our Shortstop’s OPS
Fred Lewis’s OPS > Brandon Phillips’s OPS
Ramon Hernandez’s SLG > Joey Votto’s SLG
"To me, boxing is like a ballet, except there's no music, no choreography, and the dancers hit each other." - Jack Handey
Yeah, Stubby is in a major slump
It seems he saved it until May/June this year instead of starting the season with it like last year. I think moving him to 6th might help him bust out of it sooner.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
why pick between the two?
Janish to louisville, dfa edgar …
bring up cozart and a mystery guest … (i’d say yonder but i’m not too picky)
"And a high fly ball to center field. He hit it a ton. And the 2010 National League Central Division Champs are the Cincinnati Reds!"
So ....
I guess I am in the ever-increasing group of folks who have wondered ever since Alex Gonzalez decided to dive down deep and resurface elsewhere … why haven’t we actually gone into the SS search business and get somebody?
I can sort of “get it” about LF, but to some degree, that’s the same thing. Guys dropping in off the Greyhound bus from the Mojave Desert, looking for work.
The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.
Yeah, that would seem to be a reality.
Seems like the Reds have been looking for a long time.
The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.
We bobbed for SS in the FA pool
and came up with OCab and Renteria, after the AGon saga you just mentioned. My advice at this point would be: quit going into the SS search business, because you (Reds FO) suck at it.
So let's get her to play SS
At Christmas, when we stop feeling Merry we can always jump for Joy.

The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.
Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't.
/Bronson Arroyo’d
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by PeteyHendrix on Jun 23, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Eyewitness report from last night:
Even though the Debbie Downers on this board tried to talk me out of it, I went down to the game last night. Got a $15 ticket from a scalper in the top of the first and was able to stand behind the scout seats for the whole game.
Notes:
- It did not rain ‘tHan
- Cueto’s arm didn’t fall off Justin
- I think 3 HR’s a game from Heisey is totally sustainable.
- BP is definitely using “Movin’ Like Bernie” as his walkup music.
- Janish bumped his average up above .230.
- They showed C-Dick and Freddy Garcia during the Kiss Cam much to the delight of the crowd, and (surprisingly) the Yanks dugout.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
by -ManBearPig on Jun 23, 2011 1:46 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
i'm glad it did not rain on you
it rained hard in florence, but not til after the game.
it only sprinkled during the game.
Yeah, I meant to see what Justin thought of the offensive barrage last night
I’m sure they would’ve scored 12 runs if it hadn’t have been for Dusty
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
Managerial numbers don't translate at all to MLB.
Just ask jch.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
You're TRYING to get me to root against Cozart when he finally comes up aren't you?
Well I won’t do it. I’d rather be wrong and have a SS that can hit. So there.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I went to both games - the day was a blast
I might do a eyewitness fanpost at some point
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jun 23, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's be honest, no you won't
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
the kiss cam
But nobody kissed, right?
A-Rod kissed Andyfan when they put him on the kiss cam at the Rangers’ park.
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Cozart in the Bats lineup tonight.
Not sure that bodes well for him joining the team tomorrow
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
how do you know?
Is it on Twitter or something? Kinda early for lineups to be posted for a night game.
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I guess that's what we get for believing teh Fay
Though I guess they could still call him up tomorrow.
Maybe last night’s offensive juggernaut convinced them they didn’t need to make any changes.
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So, this is all Heisey's fault?
And Janish’s too…for getting on base that one time before Heisey homered
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
definitely
All Hi-Z’s fault, for that power surge.
And Janish’s, for going 2 for 4. Heck, let’s blame Renteria, too. He went 1 for 3 with a run scored in the first game.
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The trade of Cozart for Ludwick must have fallen through.
by Brian B on Jun 23, 2011 2:35 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Actually it was the Michael Morse trade that almost happened.
The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.
Is it finally Zack Cozart Day?
No. No it is not.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
What am I going to do with all these balloons?
What the fuck am I going to do?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 23, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
And the paper napkins we had printed up ....
sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet … this is a real mess.
The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.
Well this is interesting
Josh Hamilton blames his poor performance in day games on his baby blue eyes.
Can anyone confirm or debunk this?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I blame Scrabbles.
The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.
It might be worth a scientific study, all joking aside
The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.
I have blue eyes
And yes, it sucks when the sun is bright…I squint a lot
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
Same here
but I just figured it was the same for folks with dark eyes. What say you, oh swarthy denizens of RR? Is the sun too bright for even your blackest of gazes?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 23, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I have blue eyes. And I'm with you two, especially if I've been inside.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
It bothers me too
But I never blamed it for bad hitting.
The reason I couldn’t hit was because I suck at baseball.
The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.
shoulda been a pitcher!
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
by UncleWeez on Jun 23, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
never really thought of it that way
but yeah, I have a hard time being in the sun anymore without sunglasses
I have the same problems
and have always heard blue eyed people suffer form the light more due to the lack (I guess?) or pigment
I had a doctor tell me that the "eyegraines"
I occasionally get could be related to my eye color (but obviously people who don’t have blue eyes get eyegraines too)
I have small dark eyes and never wear sunglasses, but my scandinavian, pale-blue-eyed boyfriend has to wear his even when it's cloudy.
BAM! Theory proved by anecdotal evidence,.
Singer: So did you know you can bring a gun in here now?
'Mache: I BROUGHT TWO! **flexes**
I have dark eyes
And bright light definitely bothers my eyes. It’s a wonder I ever emerged from my parents’ basement.
Blue-eyed Bubba Crosby likes day games, though, and he definitely hit better during the day.
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Saying Bubba hit better during the day
Isn’t saying much.
[ducks]
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jun 23, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
You think those of us with dark eyes will speak up?
And what? Be kicked off this fascist site??
by Cuetotally Amazing on Jun 23, 2011 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Active RF/9 leaders
(Paulie is at 4.65, doesnt meet 500G minimum. 9 of these dudes are in the mid/late 30s+)
1. Troy Tulowitzki (26) 5.053 R
2. Jack Wilson (33) 4.886 R
3. Rafael Furcal (33) 4.777 R
4. Juan Uribe (31) 4.758 R
5. Adam Everett (34) 4.626 R
6. Alex Rodriguez (35) 4.623 R
Omar Vizquel (44) 4.623 R
8. Miguel Tejada (37) 4.622 R
9. Jhonny Peralta (29) 4.608 R
10. Alex Cora (35) 4.576 R
11. Yunel Escobar (28) 4.574 R
12. Michael Young (34) 4.529 R
13. Orlando Cabrera (36) 4.516
don't be a cock sandwich
some folks like to learn about active career leaders in categories.
go play in the jukebox thread!
First of all, that chart is for each player's entire career.
So all of the old guys have years and years of data to go on, including when they were much better at defense.
Also, note what I said above about RF/G being a terrible measure of overall defensive ability. Even if it is a good measure, it needs a huge sample size to be relevant.
Can we agree that Brandon Phillips is one of the best 2B currently playing? Well, he’s 6th in active RF/9 behind such defensive luminaries as Mark Ellis and Ian Kinsler. Jerry Hairston Jr. is not far below him.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
you're arguing the wrong point
some folks on the list who have played more than a decade should be penalized for being on the wrong side of the aging process. they get credit for “being much better at defense” but also kicked in the ding ding for being, presumably, much worse. the pendulum swings both ways.
everything is a terrible measure of defensive ability, no?
except things which support your argument, apparently
According to Total Zone Runs, which bbref uses, he’s been about 20 runs above average over the course of his career (which amounts to about 1 1/2 seasons)
According to UZR, which fangraphs uses, he’s been worth about 14 runs above average over that time.
Their aggregate defensive ratings, which account for fans who may not think he’s all that, says he’s been a total of 9 runs above average through last year. Numbers for that aren’t out yet for this season.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
And what's funny about this, is even USING your argument
Janish is the 5th best defensive SS in the league currently. You are too much.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
smoke em if ya got tem
2011 RF and Zone Rating leaders
Paulie isnt in the top 5 NL SS in either. You be too much x2!
So, still using RF. I see you've learned nothing, grasshopper.
Also, as we say over and over, stuff like UZR and TZR need sample sizes MUCH larger than half a season to be relevant.
For example, the top 2 SS according to RF (Tulo and Cedeno) are the 2 worst according to TZR. Also, TZR currently has Yuniesky Betancourt as the 3rd best SS in the league!
I rest my case.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
Which leads to my first and last point
1. Fielding metrics are nigh-on useless.
2. ’Creds is a merciless prick.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jun 23, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
It's good to see that calling me names has become completely accepted.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
Shut it, teddy bear rapist.
"Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching." - Satchel Paige
by PeteyHendrix on Jun 23, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You become more and more like me every day
That feeling in the pit of your stomach? It’s fear of the unknown; it will pass. IME, booze helps.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
wait, 'creds is the prick
but the guy who’s dedicated his internet existence to questioning the virility/abilities of a human being isn’t?
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Thanks Cy. I thought if I pointed that out I'd just get called more names.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
but admit it
CREDS THE MERCILESS would be a great nickname/fun hark back to 2006.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
that was such a long time ago
i still remember the day of the trade like it was a day the president got shot
by 'tHan on Jun 23, 2011 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, yes it would.
If I ever change my handle, It’ll definitely be to that.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
Perhaps it's a double-cock sandwich where you get to pick which member to nibble first.
This is a popular dish in the Chris Carpenter household, although he still doesn’t know how to explain the ingredients to his son.
"Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching." - Satchel Paige
by PeteyHendrix on Jun 23, 2011 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Slightly more relevant, but not by much.
Is he ahead of Joey Votto?
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
so are you going to make the pie charts for me or not?
by pack_fan on Jun 23, 2011 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
hater
"Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching." - Satchel Paige
by PeteyHendrix on Jun 24, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I am not going to reply 11 times to his emails
using bad spelling and grammar each time, and with emotional responses. It would go nowhere.
Frazier playing 1B tonight for the Bats
The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.
Well, maybe Dorn is going to be traded.
Or Yonder.
The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.
And at least one NL team needs a 1B
The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.
I was half asleep when I read this
and started to freak out a bit, then I realized that it was a cruel lie
hahaha
good, good, good (said in an evil voice).
Nothing succeeds like failure.
by Yossarian22 on Jun 24, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
looked like
the usual Bats lineup. No one pulled early or anything, either.
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