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The Fay is speculating that Zack Cozart could finally be getting the call-up to the big club. In case you've been under a rock or similarly isolated place for the past month or so, Coz is slashing a robust .320/.362/.498 for Louisville so far this year. The question is, who would he replace? Neither Reds shortstop is doing much at the plate, as Paul Janish is slashing .234/.263/.278 and Edgar Renteria at .222/.301/.248. So do you send Janish to AAA (he has options) or do you cut Edgar and his $2+ mil salary?

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Yeah, what he said!

there is nothing to beer, but beer itself

by HalMorrisHasALazyBat on Jun 23, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

vole

you have a distinctive way with argumentation that I find both amusing and persuasive.

by kcgard2 on Jun 23, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hey buddy, how was your TV watching experience last night?

And was this the “cute girl from the bar”?

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Jun 23, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!

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by Kidd2Petrovic on Jun 23, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with this sentiment.

"Look at me, Rex Banner. I have a new hat."

by Ram27 on Jun 24, 2011 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let's not take Fya's word as fcat

he was just speculating, after all. I hope he’s right, but I don’t think we should all assume The Coz is coming up.

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Jun 23, 2011 10:45 AM EDT reply actions  

that being said

I’ve already gotten my hopes up.

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Jun 23, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

do they still make jello pudding pops?

They seem so…’80s.

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by BubbaFan on Jun 23, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I found them a while back at Bigg's and was overjoyed

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jun 23, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right

And I say as such in the post, if any of you would ever bother to read anything instead of just jumping straight to the comments!

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 23, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Read-ing?

Fuck it, we'll do it live.

by DTFH91 on Jun 23, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's fundamental bitch!

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jun 23, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure what I meant by this

The day that sbnation adds a delete comment feature will be a good day

Fuck it, we'll do it live.

by DTFH91 on Jun 23, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

You don't have a delete button? I have a delete button.

Sounds like you need to upgrade the SBN Gold.

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jun 23, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I did read it!

That’s why I used “speculation” in my comment! God, if you’d ever bother to read my mind you’d know what I meant. JEEZ

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Jun 23, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jeez Weez!

Can you stop giving me the squeeze, please?

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 23, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Squeeze?

Whatta tease

Fuck it, we'll do it live.

by DTFH91 on Jun 23, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Can't help it, you're the bee's knees

talking to you is a breeze! Let’s have a picnic with wine and cheese.

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Jun 23, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wine and cheese?

I’d rather have a Mountain Dew freeze.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 23, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

tl;dr

"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville

by bbjones on Jun 23, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

edgar

And hope they finally learn their lesson and stop burning millions on over-the-hill veteran chaff.

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by membengal on Jun 23, 2011 10:50 AM EDT reply actions  

fun game would be to guess who it'll be next season

Derrek Lee, future Red?

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Jun 23, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

i will put one fake dollar on...

…jamey carroll

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by membengal on Jun 23, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Omar Vizquel ftw!

No problem, fuckweasel! - jch24

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jun 23, 2011 11:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

scott rolen .... oh, wait.

snap!

"And a high fly ball to center field. He hit it a ton. And the 2010 National League Central Division Champs are the Cincinnati Reds!"

by joshuar9476 on Jun 23, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even if he does get

called up, Dusty will just “Heisey” him for the rest of the year. Cozart’s only chance to play is if we send down Janish & DFA Edgar. Strike that, Dusty would still put Cairo at SS.

by Joe Nolan's Neckbeard on Jun 23, 2011 10:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Gomes at SS!

Fuck it, we'll do it live.

by DTFH91 on Jun 23, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mike Leake!

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Jun 23, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

x

Fuck it, we'll do it live.

by DTFH91 on Jun 23, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think this is true.

Dusty has said publicly that he really likes Cozart, and I don’t think any case can be made that he is in love with either current SS.

If Cozart is on the team and hits at all, he’ll play.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Jun 23, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was just being sarcastic.

I’m excited to see what he can do offensively. I’m sure he’ll play if, in fact, they do call him up.

by Joe Nolan's Neckbeard on Jun 23, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cut Janish

and let him get back to his natural role in life as Jimmy Kimmel’s stunt double.

by IgnatiusJReilly on Jun 23, 2011 10:55 AM EDT reply actions  

you son of a bitch

I’ve been posting Jimmy Janish pictures for over a year!
Don’t steal my schtick!

Yes, those are lovely cocoanuts.

by supergrover on Jun 23, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is Ciao like Aloha or Shalom? I honestly didn't know that.

Or are you in Louisville and really excited to see him?

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jun 23, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

you're right, after thinking about this for more than 2 seconds

I should go back to sleep.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jun 23, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

ha! you're wrong!

I should stay awake.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jun 23, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

The misuse of Italian words outside of Italy (read: in the US) is rampant and disgusting.

The next time I pass a cafe offering “panini sandwiches!” my head will explode.

by ashersky on Jun 23, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Save up to 40 percent or more.

The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.

by johnu1 on Jun 23, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

This actually prompted language "experts" to debate the legitimacy of the claim

and it is really not offensive when the intended message is considered.

by kcgard2 on Jun 23, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well if it's up to 40 percent, it can't be more than that.

The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.

by johnu1 on Jun 23, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not that anyone particularly cares

but advertisers aren’t allowed to use outlier cases in advertising. They have to pick a number that a consumer could reasonably expect to achieve, even if it is not the highest possible number. So advertisers are actually giving you info about the distribution of possible savings. Any random person could reasonably expect to save up to 40%, and if you happen to be a special rare case, perhaps even more than that.

Discussion (if you are a language nerd like me)

by kcgard2 on Jun 24, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or pizza pie?

That is what they originally called.

The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.

by johnu1 on Jun 23, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or lasagna (vice lasagne)

Or the incessant need to pronounce bruschetta incorrectly.

by ashersky on Jun 23, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is probably true to an extent.

But it’s more the way we’ve appropriated (especially) Italian words into American English vocabulary that is irritating. There’s no real reason it should be irritating, but it is anyway.

by ashersky on Jun 23, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's kind of the story of the English language

That’s what the language has done for its entire history. It’s just happening notably and recently with Italian.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Jun 23, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Calling my orgasm a Salami Tsunami probably doesn't help.....sorry.

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by jch24 on Jun 23, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

you never thanked me for that, by the way

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Jun 23, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you for helping me reach my climax, much appreciated

Especially the looking me in the eyes part.

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jun 23, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

they're very gentle

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Jun 23, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Russians are most likely to Americanize now

And the older ones have no idea what they are being told by the younger ones.

The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.

by johnu1 on Jun 23, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was wondering when you were gonna come back around

I read about krokodil the yesterday or the day before. Holy shit it’s awful. Have you ever met someone that did it?

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jun 23, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Back around?

I spent 3 days in LaLa Land and do not intend to go back. Then I spent the night in the fuckin’ airport because I had to come back to Chicago, where the airport is always closed.

The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.

by johnu1 on Jun 23, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, you weren't around the day I read the article :)

Ever heard of it? It’s a crude homemade substitute for heroin, only about a million times more toxic it seems.

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jun 23, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

No contact with the stuff but Russians all have a death wish

The other Krokodil that I know is a cartoon croc.
There is a pretty rough line separating reality from truth in Russia.

The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.

by johnu1 on Jun 23, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I brought this up awhile back

and I think its perfectly acceptable to Americanize a foreign word (substitute any culture you like in there). For example someone needs to tell tHom to pronounce Arredondo like a fucking American. If you’re not going to roll the r’s what the hell in the point in pronouncing the o right (or wrong, which is probably what he is doing anyway).

by pack_fan on Jun 23, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

This....

Should clear things up.

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jun 23, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

And please RSVP.

Singer: So did you know you can bring a gun in here now?
'Mache: I BROUGHT TWO! **flexes**

by andromache on Jun 23, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

or you might catch AIDS syndrome

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jun 23, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

WTF?

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Jun 23, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

WTF fuck

I don’t think you caught the direction of the meme, did you?

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jun 23, 2011 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

ha! i didn't. tl;dr read

I really made that FUBAR recognition. I do understand the meme now, but I’m just pointing out my stupidity so you guys can lol out loud at me

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Jun 24, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

at least Janish can play defense, and 3B

and pitch

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Jun 23, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

he can do all of those things

but he can do none of those things well.

or, at least well enough to live up to his reputation.

by 'tHan on Jun 23, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

you make a fair point

although I’m still in love with his glove

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Jun 23, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

His glove is good and all, but it's vastly overrated.

The arm is good, but to me it doesn’t seem like his range is any better than average. Just about all of his good plays come from firing one deep in the hole on a ball any SS would have had (but, of course, not where just any SS could make the throw and get an out.) I just don’t think his glove is good enough to come anywhere near making up for his horrendous bat.

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by sexsalad on Jun 23, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

defintely not top 5 MLB

and definitely not top 5 NL

janish is now in the decline phase of his career. his numbers will deteriorate from here on out.

i can deal with him being backup SS who gets 100 AB a year.

by obc1 on Jun 23, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

who are you putting above him?

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Jun 23, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tulo

Alcides Escobar
Jose Reyes
AGon
Josh Wilson
Ramon Santiago
Alexi Ramirez
Yunel Escobar
Wilson Valdez
Brendan Ryan (if he was playing)

by obc1 on Jun 23, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will grant you Tulo, Yunel, Alcides, and Ryan

I would grant you Wilson and maybe AGon about 4 years ago. The others are all pretty comparable, probably, more like splitting hairs (except maybe Reyes).

by kcgard2 on Jun 24, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Logic and reason.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Jun 23, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

at RR?

Surely you jest.

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by BubbaFan on Jun 23, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

The way he's been hitting so far this year

He could be three Ozzie Smiths in the field and not make up for it.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 23, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

He wouldn't need to hit any better if Dusty used him as a LIDR and limited his starts

"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto

by Grahamophone on Jun 23, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can't anything be overrated without it being "vastly" overrrated?

Can you explain the difference. And cite your sources, please.

by Brian B on Jun 23, 2011 2:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

hehehe

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by PeteyHendrix on Jun 23, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

sources are vastly overrated

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Jun 24, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll bite on this...

I’d send Janish down. Yes, Renteria is already a sunk (suck?) cost, and he’s limited to SS. Still, he’s an asset that the team values, and you don’t just get rid of that when you have other options. Janish can be sent down without losing anyone. I’d bet that’s what they’d do.

The interesting question then becomes how Negron and Janish will split time at AAA

by badenjr on Jun 23, 2011 10:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Negron is of no value

He would probably take the utility role for the team.

by kcgard2 on Jun 23, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think I'm with you on this

Neither is of value to the team right now, so I’m willing to give Renteria another month as a back up to see if he can bounce back. If he can’t, then we call Janish back up and give him the pink slip. At the very least, he’s injury insurance.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 23, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

If we want to keep Reneteria...

We just put him on the 15 day DL instead of DFA’ing him.

We can even have him play in AAA if we want, though I think we’d pass.

by MatthewH on Jun 23, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

we could only do that if he agreed

And I’m not sure he would.

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by BubbaFan on Jun 23, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, given that he was "offended" by a $1 million offer from the Giants in the offseason

I seriously doubt he would accept an assignment to the minors.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Jun 23, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

He'll get nothing and like it!

Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun

@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Jun 23, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Here's a solution.

He can be postgame entertainment for the kiddies.

STACHE SMASH!!!

by Corky's Stache on Jun 23, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Believe it or not, I don't really care much who goes (although it seems dumb to keep Renteria around, but whatevs)

I do think some tempered expectations are in order though. I’ve been banging the Cozart drum so loudly and persistently I think that some people might have a skewed idea of what we’d be getting.

First of all, the defens is legit. You might see a slight drop from Janish defensively, but I don’t think it will be much, if anything. He has a similar range, better hands, and a slightly less strong arm. But what you won’t get is pasta diving and a bunch of “Janish woulda had that” moments. He’s going to look and perform like a real MLB shortstop.

At the plate, this is not an elite bat we’re talking about here. He doesn’t walk enough and I don’t see him ever hitting above .300 in the majors. HOWEVA. He has legitimate power and real base stealing ability. I think it’s entirely possible he might come in and only put up a line of .260/.300/.400 or so. Worst case scenario, it could be a bit lower. My guess on his floor is something like .240/.280/.370. Still much better than Janteria. But the exciting part is that there is real upside here, especially with the power, and especially in GABP. I think .270/.320/.450 is about as good as we could hope for, but that isn’t entirely out of the question. If he does that, I think we’d all be thrilled.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Jun 23, 2011 11:01 AM EDT reply actions  

.

"Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching." - Satchel Paige

by PeteyHendrix on Jun 23, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Miss a day, miss a lot

I check in here a few times a week, never in the game threads, which is where the nicknames must spawn.

WTF is Wolfgang? (Thinks for a minute.) Oh my. Brilliant.

by OHSnap on Jun 24, 2011 3:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

rock me

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Jun 24, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Marty is still my favorite

Chris for whatever reason rubs me the wrong way.

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by HalMorrisHasALazyBat on Jun 23, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

This make me a saaad panda.

When one little panda sticks his winkie in another little panda's ear... that's sexual harassment. That makes me a saaaad panda.

by Sexual Harassment Panda on Jun 23, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

South Park auto-rec

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@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Jun 23, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Marty started off yesterday's broadcast complaining about how long the day was gonna be.

Literally, it was his first comment. Poor old sack of fluffy-haired shit.

And when the Yanks homered in game 1 to take a 4-2 lead, Marty said, “Well it didn’t take long for Mike Leake to untie this game.” and “Mike Leake looks disgusted on the mound – and he should.”

When the other team is successful, he bags on the Reds. I don’t need to hear that shit from the monopoly radio voice. It’s REALLY inappropriate.

"Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching." - Satchel Paige

by PeteyHendrix on Jun 23, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

you are listening on mlb.com right

listen to the other team, there is a choice.

Nothing succeeds like failure.

by Yossarian22 on Jun 23, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I almost always do.

But you can’t reasonably expect me to listen to the Yankees announcers.

"Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching." - Satchel Paige

by PeteyHendrix on Jun 23, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

true

well i mean, we had somebody do a written pbp of an entire game a week or so ago.

Nothing succeeds like failure.

by Yossarian22 on Jun 23, 2011 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't actually think a fix like this will help the team

But it might. Whatever we do, sacrificing defense, baserunning and infield smarts would not be a good idea.

Hitting: We can abide PJ’s bat if IF we don’t have slump-of-the-week hitting 7th in the order.
Not much we can do about that.

PJ has warning track fly ball power and rarely drives the ball into the gap.
He doesn’t get enough doubles to be useful as a hitter. (Or singles either but … the point is … whatever)
So … if Cozart can get some gapper doubles, plus not sacrifice what PJ does well, I’d say go for it.
But we would need an injury before it happens and I am all right with that as well.
If we have to use Rentawreck every day, a weakened defense will cost us more than any AAA bat would.

The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.

by johnu1 on Jun 23, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

So basically...

Janish can be as much of a liability as he wants offensively, but because of him no one else is ever allowed to slump?

Communism in baseball!

"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428

by sexsalad on Jun 23, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know if Janish is in a slump or not

He always hits .211.

The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.

by johnu1 on Jun 23, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

If one person has little value, that's fine because everyone else is supposed to step up and fill his role to keep the whole producing.

That’s a little like Communism, no? (It’s obviously a loose comparison, so don’t kill me.)

"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428

by sexsalad on Jun 23, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

i hope you stretched before writing that...

and i think that is like well everything which is a group effort.

Nothing succeeds like failure.

by Yossarian22 on Jun 23, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure what you mean.

Just trying to paint an accurate picture of what Cozart might provide.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Jun 23, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

no kidding

jch is so much more fun than you

by vottomatic on Jun 23, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ouch. Now that one hurts....

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Jun 23, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think it should be this

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@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Jun 23, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wait, I found it

Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun

@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Jun 23, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

too soon on the post

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@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Jun 23, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Needs bigger cats

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jun 23, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wouldn't you be? You know how hard it is to properly scrub your lower back?

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jun 23, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jun 23, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

She really needs to shave her pussy.

"Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching." - Satchel Paige

by PeteyHendrix on Jun 23, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have a pretty good idea, and it's going to be FANTASTIC

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jun 23, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

RECTUM!

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jun 23, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

damn near join'd'um!!

wait, what?

Yes, those are lovely cocoanuts.

by supergrover on Jun 23, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

monkeys and apes distill moonshine?

or is it the church’s still they’re referring to?

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jun 23, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

the massive amount of things that are wrong with that sign

the misuse of the word ‘their’ is by far the most offensive.

there is nothing to beer, but beer itself

by HalMorrisHasALazyBat on Jun 23, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not the affront to science?

the spelling mistake is the most offensive?

by kcgard2 on Jun 23, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh I think the affront to science is offensive

but goddamnit, as an editor and writer, that ‘their’ drives me up a wall

there is nothing to beer, but beer itself

by HalMorrisHasALazyBat on Jun 23, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

maybe they didn't have another "Y"

as an editor, your annoyance is more understandable!

by kcgard2 on Jun 23, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hell, there's no punctuation in it either.

As an affront to science … nah … not enough information to qualify as dissent.

The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.

by johnu1 on Jun 23, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't be adding me to your Christmas card list.

The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.

by johnu1 on Jun 23, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Leaving Bakersfield for Greenland would be a promotion.

The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.

by johnu1 on Jun 23, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

hooray!

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Jun 23, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder what the FO is going to do with Grandal and D-Mes

I can’t help but think they have been planning all along to trade one or the other. Meso could be in the bigs this year, Grandal next year, but why sign Hanigan if not intending to trade somebody?

A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.

by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jun 23, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I still say that one of them moving to 1B after Votto leaves is still a distinct possibility

Meso and Hanigan in 2012.

Hanigan and Yasmoraco in 2014, with the other half manning 1B.

That just leaves 2013 as a potentially crowded/awkward year.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Jun 23, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

don't forget

2012: 200 lb Yonder covering serious ground in LF!

No problem, fuckweasel! - jch24

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jun 23, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

200lb Yonder?

Did he cut off an arm and leg?

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jun 23, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

covering serious ground

"Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching." - Satchel Paige

by PeteyHendrix on Jun 23, 2011 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

This might sound odd at first...

…but I think D-Mes should be playing corner OF instead of DHing on days he does not catch. Being able to handle himself in a corner OF spot would make him more easily-viable to call up.

"Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching." - Satchel Paige

by PeteyHendrix on Jun 23, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

If his legs are beat up from catching

they may just want to give him a day off of using ‘em. He’s still a young guy, no use putting milage on him in AAA. I’m not sure if I disagree with you, but the alternative is certainly viable.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jun 23, 2011 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed on all points.

"Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching." - Satchel Paige

by PeteyHendrix on Jun 24, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's your big news of the day

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jun 23, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I love RR

this seemed like as good a place to say so as any. Carry on.

by kcgard2 on Jun 23, 2011 11:38 AM EDT reply actions  

and RR loves you too

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Jun 23, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

to borrow form Francis Bacon

RR redoubleth the joys of winning, and cutteth griefs from losses in half

by Red_Poodle on Jun 23, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Knowledge is power. France is bacon."

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jun 23, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought France was toast.

French toast.
Canadian bacon.

The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.

by johnu1 on Jun 23, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't want to send Janish away

I think he has far more upside than Renteria. I know this is unquantifiable, but I also think sending Janish away would hurt team chemistry and send a bad message. Favoring aging, deteriorating veterans over younger, home grown talent, even though struggling, is a bad plan.

by Red_Poodle on Jun 23, 2011 12:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed.

If Coz gets called up and becomes the starting SS, he’s not going to play every single day. Who would you rather get those 20-40% of the starts, Janish or Edgard? I’m going to choose Paul. Plus he can play more than one position, and actually plays his position with above average D. Keeping Edgard and sending down Janish is bad juju.

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.

by -ManBearPig on Jun 23, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

Janish has shown himself to be reliable defensively despite a number of errors this season. Some of his errors, I think, come on plays nobody else would have had a shot at. In any case, his utility in the infield and emergency pitching/catching abilities make him the more valuable player than Renteria

by Red_Poodle on Jun 23, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

ridiculous

how can someone be reliable who creates lots of errors? a 49 OPS+ is historically piss poor. also, i did a write up on janish’s range factor rating compared to the other NL SS.

he’s nowhere near the top. his range has been vastly overrated.

im totally dismissing janish’s value as an emergency pitcher/catcher. thats right up there with being valuable as a bat boy.

by obc1 on Jun 23, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you know what range factor means?

It is simply an average of the number of outs a player makes in the field, per game. It really has nothing to do with how good a fielder is.

This is especially true for an infielder on a team full of flyball pitchers.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Jun 23, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'd think a team of strikeout pitchers would deflate range factor also

but over the course of 162 games one will see a pattern in range factor. wait, this stat isnt supporting your argument, right? dismiss it!

by obc1 on Jun 23, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who says that over the course of 162 games one will "see a pattern"?

If anything, one is more likely to see a more extreme pattern as the sample skews more towards Ks or FBs.

Also, this team is full of strikeout pitchers and FB pitchers, so….

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Jun 23, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

well if that's the case

janish has created waaaaaaaay too many errors. we probably need a staff full of K and FB pitchers to minimize the damage.

by obc1 on Jun 23, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm done arguing about Janish, especially with you

I’ll be happy to discuss the relative merits of various defensive metrics if you’d like, but I have a feeling that won’t interest you.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Jun 23, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess you should give up reading then.

"Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching." - Satchel Paige

by PeteyHendrix on Jun 23, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am on your side in this argument, nyc

but this team is not full of FB or K pitchers. Only Arroyo and Wood are FB pitchers, and only Volquez is a K pitcher, looking at starters.

by kcgard2 on Jun 24, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Somedays I wonder if you actually read the comments that you slam.

"Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching." - Satchel Paige

by PeteyHendrix on Jun 23, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I can tell you this

It may be Zach Cozart day, but it ain’t white boy day.

"This is the St. Louis Cardinals we're talking about. They suck. Screw them. With a shovel. The sharp metal end. And then set them on fire." - crolfer

by rorschach1979 on Jun 23, 2011 12:38 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Drexl Spivey FTW

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Jun 23, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone hear Pujols WLB comment of the day?

When asked whether his injury would affect his contract negotiations, Pujols snapped at a reporter saying, “Thats a stupid question, yo. That’s straight up ridiculous, yo.” I didn’t realize Pujols was so thin skinned, and yet so gangsta.

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.

by -ManBearPig on Jun 23, 2011 12:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Gangsta? More like hipster.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Jun 23, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why would somebody NOT ask that?

The man is homing in on a $500 million deal. Anything that affects his swing would be grounds for query. Albert needs to be more swell about this.

The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.

by johnu1 on Jun 23, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Twice even!

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.

by -ManBearPig on Jun 23, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

x

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jun 23, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

You don't know who that is?

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Jun 23, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which Smothers died?

The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.

by johnu1 on Jun 23, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Never mind.

http://www.deadoraliveinfo.com/dead.nsf/pages-nf/main

The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.

by johnu1 on Jun 23, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

did not realize that was a Smothers Brother

but still, that pic makes him look like a young’un diddler

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Jun 23, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's THE Smothers Brother.

Tom was a major force against utilitarian government and battled the FCC for years – on a weekly basis – regarding free speech, especially speech against corrupt government and the Vietnam War. His show was perhaps the most important media outlet at the time, far moreso than The Daily Show is today. His legacy is as a heroic, important American…besides being really funny and talented.

"Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching." - Satchel Paige

by PeteyHendrix on Jun 23, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I remember our middle school history teacher showing us old Smothers Brothers broadcasts

I didn’t get why for the first few, but once I caught the jig, I loved ’em.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jun 23, 2011 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Why you have to ask that B?"

Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun

@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Jun 23, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

a few surprising stats

I posted this on the Orioles series preview, but this thread is much busier, so, here it is…

Johnny Gomes’s OPS > Drew Stubbs OPS
Miguel Cairo’s OPS > Scott Rolen’s OPS
Mike Leake’s OPS > our Shortstop’s OPS
Fred Lewis’s OPS > Brandon Phillips’s OPS
Ramon Hernandez’s SLG > Joey Votto’s SLG

"To me, boxing is like a ballet, except there's no music, no choreography, and the dancers hit each other." - Jack Handey

by JJ on Jun 23, 2011 1:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, Stubby is in a major slump

It seems he saved it until May/June this year instead of starting the season with it like last year. I think moving him to 6th might help him bust out of it sooner.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Jun 23, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

why pick between the two?

Janish to louisville, dfa edgar …

bring up cozart and a mystery guest … (i’d say yonder but i’m not too picky)

"And a high fly ball to center field. He hit it a ton. And the 2010 National League Central Division Champs are the Cincinnati Reds!"

by joshuar9476 on Jun 23, 2011 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

It's Snax-time!

Born Small... Now Huge... Winning... Bring it..!

by BomerHailey on Jun 23, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

So ....

I guess I am in the ever-increasing group of folks who have wondered ever since Alex Gonzalez decided to dive down deep and resurface elsewhere … why haven’t we actually gone into the SS search business and get somebody?

I can sort of “get it” about LF, but to some degree, that’s the same thing. Guys dropping in off the Greyhound bus from the Mojave Desert, looking for work.

The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.

by johnu1 on Jun 23, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that would seem to be a reality.

Seems like the Reds have been looking for a long time.

The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.

by johnu1 on Jun 23, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

We bobbed for SS in the FA pool

and came up with OCab and Renteria, after the AGon saga you just mentioned. My advice at this point would be: quit going into the SS search business, because you (Reds FO) suck at it.

by kcgard2 on Jun 23, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

need a new FO

Nothing succeeds like failure.

by Yossarian22 on Jun 23, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

But coconuts do

And I’ve got a lovely bunch.

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jun 23, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

So let's get her to play SS

At Christmas, when we stop feeling Merry we can always jump for Joy.

The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.

by johnu1 on Jun 23, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't.

/Bronson Arroyo’d

"Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching." - Satchel Paige

by PeteyHendrix on Jun 23, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Eyewitness report from last night:

Even though the Debbie Downers on this board tried to talk me out of it, I went down to the game last night. Got a $15 ticket from a scalper in the top of the first and was able to stand behind the scout seats for the whole game.

Notes:

- It did not rain ‘tHan
- Cueto’s arm didn’t fall off Justin
- I think 3 HR’s a game from Heisey is totally sustainable.
- BP is definitely using “Movin’ Like Bernie” as his walkup music.
- Janish bumped his average up above .230.
- They showed C-Dick and Freddy Garcia during the Kiss Cam much to the delight of the crowd, and (surprisingly) the Yanks dugout.

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.

by -ManBearPig on Jun 23, 2011 1:46 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

i'm glad it did not rain on you

it rained hard in florence, but not til after the game.

it only sprinkled during the game.

by 'tHan on Jun 23, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I meant to see what Justin thought of the offensive barrage last night

I’m sure they would’ve scored 12 runs if it hadn’t have been for Dusty

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Jun 23, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Managerial numbers don't translate at all to MLB.

Just ask jch.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Jun 23, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

or dave miley...

Nothing succeeds like failure.

by Yossarian22 on Jun 23, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're TRYING to get me to root against Cozart when he finally comes up aren't you?

Well I won’t do it. I’d rather be wrong and have a SS that can hit. So there.

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jun 24, 2011 7:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I went to both games - the day was a blast

I might do a eyewitness fanpost at some point

"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto

by Grahamophone on Jun 23, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's be honest, no you won't

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jun 23, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

the kiss cam

But nobody kissed, right?

A-Rod kissed Andyfan when they put him on the kiss cam at the Rangers’ park.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jun 23, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cozart in the Bats lineup tonight.

Not sure that bodes well for him joining the team tomorrow

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Jun 23, 2011 2:25 PM EDT reply actions  

how do you know?

Is it on Twitter or something? Kinda early for lineups to be posted for a night game.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jun 23, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

'tis on twitter

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Jun 23, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess that's what we get for believing teh Fay

Though I guess they could still call him up tomorrow.

Maybe last night’s offensive juggernaut convinced them they didn’t need to make any changes.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jun 23, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, this is all Heisey's fault?

And Janish’s too…for getting on base that one time before Heisey homered

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jun 23, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

definitely

All Hi-Z’s fault, for that power surge.

And Janish’s, for going 2 for 4. Heck, let’s blame Renteria, too. He went 1 for 3 with a run scored in the first game.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jun 23, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nooooooo

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Jun 23, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is it finally Zack Cozart Day?

No. No it is not.

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jun 23, 2011 2:42 PM EDT reply actions  

And the paper napkins we had printed up ....

sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet … this is a real mess.

The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.

by johnu1 on Jun 23, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well this is interesting

Josh Hamilton blames his poor performance in day games on his baby blue eyes.

Can anyone confirm or debunk this?

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jun 23, 2011 2:47 PM EDT reply actions  

that's racist!

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jun 23, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

It might be worth a scientific study, all joking aside

The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.

by johnu1 on Jun 23, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

there have been some I'm pretty sure

but I’m too lazy to log into an online journal to find out lol

by Red_Poodle on Jun 23, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have blue eyes

And yes, it sucks when the sun is bright…I squint a lot

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jun 23, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Same here

but I just figured it was the same for folks with dark eyes. What say you, oh swarthy denizens of RR? Is the sun too bright for even your blackest of gazes?

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 23, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

samesies

twinsies!

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Jun 23, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

It bothers me too

But I never blamed it for bad hitting.
The reason I couldn’t hit was because I suck at baseball.

The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.

by johnu1 on Jun 23, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

shoulda been a pitcher!

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Jun 23, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

never really thought of it that way

but yeah, I have a hard time being in the sun anymore without sunglasses

by pack_fan on Jun 23, 2011 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have the same problems

and have always heard blue eyed people suffer form the light more due to the lack (I guess?) or pigment

by Red_Poodle on Jun 23, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had a doctor tell me that the "eyegraines"

I occasionally get could be related to my eye color (but obviously people who don’t have blue eyes get eyegraines too)

by Red_Poodle on Jun 23, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have small dark eyes and never wear sunglasses, but my scandinavian, pale-blue-eyed boyfriend has to wear his even when it's cloudy.

BAM! Theory proved by anecdotal evidence,.

Singer: So did you know you can bring a gun in here now?
'Mache: I BROUGHT TWO! **flexes**

by andromache on Jun 23, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have dark eyes

And bright light definitely bothers my eyes. It’s a wonder I ever emerged from my parents’ basement.

Blue-eyed Bubba Crosby likes day games, though, and he definitely hit better during the day.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jun 23, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Saying Bubba hit better during the day

Isn’t saying much.

[ducks]

A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.

by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jun 23, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Active RF/9 leaders

(Paulie is at 4.65, doesnt meet 500G minimum. 9 of these dudes are in the mid/late 30s+)

1. Troy Tulowitzki (26) 5.053 R
2. Jack Wilson (33) 4.886 R
3. Rafael Furcal (33) 4.777 R
4. Juan Uribe (31) 4.758 R
5. Adam Everett (34) 4.626 R
6. Alex Rodriguez (35) 4.623 R
  Omar Vizquel (44) 4.623 R
8. Miguel Tejada (37) 4.622 R
9. Jhonny Peralta (29) 4.608 R
10. Alex Cora (35) 4.576 R
11. Yunel Escobar (28) 4.574 R
12. Michael Young (34) 4.529 R
13. Orlando Cabrera (36) 4.516

by obc1 on Jun 23, 2011 4:48 PM EDT reply actions  

don't be a cock sandwich

some folks like to learn about active career leaders in categories.

go play in the jukebox thread!

by obc1 on Jun 23, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

First of all, that chart is for each player's entire career.

So all of the old guys have years and years of data to go on, including when they were much better at defense.

Also, note what I said above about RF/G being a terrible measure of overall defensive ability. Even if it is a good measure, it needs a huge sample size to be relevant.

Can we agree that Brandon Phillips is one of the best 2B currently playing? Well, he’s 6th in active RF/9 behind such defensive luminaries as Mark Ellis and Ian Kinsler. Jerry Hairston Jr. is not far below him.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Jun 23, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

you're arguing the wrong point

some folks on the list who have played more than a decade should be penalized for being on the wrong side of the aging process. they get credit for “being much better at defense” but also kicked in the ding ding for being, presumably, much worse. the pendulum swings both ways.

everything is a terrible measure of defensive ability, no?

by obc1 on Jun 23, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

except things which support your argument, apparently

According to Total Zone Runs, which bbref uses, he’s been about 20 runs above average over the course of his career (which amounts to about 1 1/2 seasons)

According to UZR, which fangraphs uses, he’s been worth about 14 runs above average over that time.

Their aggregate defensive ratings, which account for fans who may not think he’s all that, says he’s been a total of 9 runs above average through last year. Numbers for that aren’t out yet for this season.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Jun 23, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

And what's funny about this, is even USING your argument

Janish is the 5th best defensive SS in the league currently. You are too much.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Jun 23, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

smoke em if ya got tem

2011 RF and Zone Rating leaders

Paulie isnt in the top 5 NL SS in either. You be too much x2!

by obc1 on Jun 23, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, still using RF. I see you've learned nothing, grasshopper.

Also, as we say over and over, stuff like UZR and TZR need sample sizes MUCH larger than half a season to be relevant.

For example, the top 2 SS according to RF (Tulo and Cedeno) are the 2 worst according to TZR. Also, TZR currently has Yuniesky Betancourt as the 3rd best SS in the league!

I rest my case.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Jun 23, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which leads to my first and last point

1. Fielding metrics are nigh-on useless.

2. ’Creds is a merciless prick.

A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.

by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jun 23, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shut it, teddy bear rapist.

"Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching." - Satchel Paige

by PeteyHendrix on Jun 23, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

You become more and more like me every day

That feeling in the pit of your stomach? It’s fear of the unknown; it will pass. IME, booze helps.

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jun 24, 2011 7:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

wait, 'creds is the prick

but the guy who’s dedicated his internet existence to questioning the virility/abilities of a human being isn’t?

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jun 23, 2011 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

YEP!

Nothing succeeds like failure.

by Yossarian22 on Jun 23, 2011 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

but admit it

CREDS THE MERCILESS would be a great nickname/fun hark back to 2006.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jun 23, 2011 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

that was such a long time ago

i still remember the day of the trade like it was a day the president got shot

by 'tHan on Jun 23, 2011 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yes, yes it would.

If I ever change my handle, It’ll definitely be to that.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Jun 24, 2011 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps it's a double-cock sandwich where you get to pick which member to nibble first.

This is a popular dish in the Chris Carpenter household, although he still doesn’t know how to explain the ingredients to his son.

"Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching." - Satchel Paige

by PeteyHendrix on Jun 23, 2011 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Frazier playing 1B tonight for the Bats

The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.

by johnu1 on Jun 23, 2011 8:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, maybe Dorn is going to be traded.

Or Yonder.

The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.

by johnu1 on Jun 23, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

And at least one NL team needs a 1B

The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.

by johnu1 on Jun 23, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was half asleep when I read this

and started to freak out a bit, then I realized that it was a cruel lie

by Red_Poodle on Jun 24, 2011 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

hahaha

good, good, good (said in an evil voice).

Nothing succeeds like failure.

by Yossarian22 on Jun 24, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

looked like

the usual Bats lineup. No one pulled early or anything, either.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jun 23, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

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