Red Reposter - There is a spectre haunting Cincinnati
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 21, 2011 11:43 AM EDT
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The offense has been disquietingly quiet against the Blue Jays and Yankees thus far
The last four games they have only scored a total of seven runs. Dusty Baker thinks it's primarily due to not getting the first hitters of the inning on base: "We’re having a hard time getting the lead off batter on to put the pitcher in the stretch," Baker said. "Every inning, we’re operating with one or two outs. We’ve got to find a way to put that leadoff hitter on. Then maybe we can do something." At this point, I would be happy to see anyone get on base, regardless of the number of outs. They'll snap out of it soon I'm sure, but not soon enough. -
Our comrades at Blog Red Machine are madder than Stalin at the Tehran Conference
over Renteria-Not-Good-Pinch-Hit-Gate (we've had our best interns on the case all night to come up with a name for this and this one was - seriously - the best one. I guess unpaid labor isn't what it used to be). Every option available to Dusty is listed, with current OBP, XBH%, and HR% (with a runner on and down two, only a home run would tie the game). Renteria is the worst possible option in every category. Now, it's important to keep some perspective here. The Reds were down by two runs mainly because the offense went to sleep, as is their wont when facing decidedly underwhelming pitchers like Ivan Nova. So this decision to pinch-hit Renteria for Hanigan isn't what lost the game. But damn if it isn't frustrating to see the manager make such an obviously bone-headed decision. -
Johnny Cueto was 'sposed to start last night against the Yankees
but he had a stiff neck and was a late scratch from the lineup. He'll go tonight instead, facing off against cute story Brian Gordon. We will bury him. -
As many of us were expecting
the Reds are starting to look at available arms. We knew going into the season that they didn't have a top-of-the-rotation-ace, but with Edinson Volquez and Travis Wood both under-performing and Homer Bailey, Sam LeCure, and Matt Maloney on the mend, they have mid-rotation depth. The problem is, there are no aces out there this year, unlike in years past when Cliff Lee, CC Sabathia, and Dan Haren were traded. Jeremy Guthrie could be available and the Reds have apparently expressed interest in him, but if you ask me, he is just more of the same.
I think it would behoove the Reds to realize that Felix Hernandez ain't walkin' through that door. Tim Lincecum ain't walkin' through that door. There are not going to be any difference-making starting pitchers available this summer, so it's best of they just stick with what they have in the rotation and focus on areas where they can actually make a significant upgrade.
It's decision time with Aroldis Chapman
He will pitch tonight in Louisville and that will close the books on his rehab assignment. The Reds' Politburo has played this close to the chest so it's tough to deduce just what they are going to do with him. I think they are leaning towards bringing him back to the big league club, but I'm wondering if his control problems are really cleared up enough to trust him close-and-late. I think I'd like to see him optioned to AAA to get some work in for a month or so to make sure he's really ready.
A few Reds responded diplomatically to the news of Albert Pujols' injury
"He’s probably the best player in the game," said Joey Votto, who beat out Pujols for NL MVP last year. "Losing Albert is going to be a big deal for them. You can’t stick somebody in there and expect Albert Pujols’ production, but I also think they’ll figure out how to cover that hole."
"From the standpoint of being a good thing for us, sure, it’s got to help our chances," Drew Stubbs said. "Being out that length of time is probably going to take a toll on the Cardinals’ offensive production. But as a player, you never want to see a fellow competitor go down like that."
The Billings Gazette has some video of Opening Day for the Mustangs (HT to Doug Gray)
Golly, Dehler Park looks absolutely gorgeous. Manager Pat Kelly was ejected in the 7th inning, which is just swell.
Beyond the Box Score's power rankings list the Reds as the 9th best team in baseball
thanks in no small part to Miguel Cairo, who has accumulated more fWAR so far this season than the likes of Derek Jeter, Adam Dunn, and Ichiro (though he could easily out-WAR Cairo if he wanted to).
On Sunday
Chris Jakubauskas and Tom Gorzelanny squared off in the Chesapeake Cup, and BLS's David Brown was quick to write up some anagrams for their combined last names. He even made up a cool .gif!
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From the Blog Red Machine article:
The decision to hit Renteria in that situation is incomprehensible. I just wish one of the reporters in the clubhouse would have done his job, and challenged Baker on the decision.
Amen
It's your right and your ability, To become my perfect enemy
Has someone not banned by Fya asked him this?
Calmer than you are.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Jun 21, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
If Dusty's reply to that question would have been "I went with a hunch"
I’d box my own ears.
Calmer than you are.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Jun 21, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
If you did you'd be in the fully boxed frame of mind to understand the decision
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I'd also be a Ford truck man
Calmer than you are.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Jun 21, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Blogredmachine probably should, actually they/he/she did
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
Blogger...
Exactly the reason some “bloggers” should be granted access to the clubhouse. Traditional journalist don’t do their jobs.
Think Fresh! Bring Back Barry!
... Something tells me that wouldn't work out quite as well as you might think it would.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
jch - "Hey Joey, come over here a second."
Joey Votto – “Yeah? What’s up?”
jch – “Smell this.”
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 21, 2011 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Fay tweeted that he would have used Gomes in that situation
since he was 2-6 w/ 2 BBs against Mo. Not sure I want him asking anything.
I guess
we’re left to guess!
TOP TEN REASONS FOR PINCHING-HITTING WITH RENTERIA
10. Renteria is 3 for 9 lifetime against Mo
9. Hanigan doesn’t get the bat off his shoulder and swing enough
8. Giving Renteria one last look before the DFA
7. WS MVP = Clutchy McClutchpants
6. Pete Rose paid him to throw the game
5. Hanigan would clog up the basepaths
4. Edgar’s batting .150 in June. He’s due!
3. Sending a message to Jocketty: this is the bench you gave me, you @#$%&*
2. Dusty’s Dice!
1. Forgot the batting order again, thought it was Janish’s turn to bat
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on Jun 21, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 13 recs
Just Curious, When was the last time the Reds chose to eat a salary and release a player?
Miles?
by Jack Armstrong started an All Star Game on Jun 21, 2011 11:57 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Mike Stanton?
No problem, fuckweasel! - jch24
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jun 21, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Miles was more recent.
And if you figure Walt was planning all along to release Miles, that was, in a roundabout way, releasing Taveras and eating his salary.
That’s why I don’t think it’s Walt. I think Dusty is asking for more time for his guys.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
that wasn't really any $ though, was it?
Stanton was several million if I remember correctly.
No problem, fuckweasel! - jch24
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jun 21, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
i think stanton was 2 million
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
$3 million with an extra $500,000 to buyout the option for the following year.
No problem, fuckweasel! - jch24
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jun 21, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
holy shit
No problem, fuckweasel! - jch24
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jun 21, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
That's some expensive pisswater
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
The point of releasing Miles was all to get rid of Tevaras
Didn’t Walt inherit Stanton? Its different when you went out and signed the guy and choose to eat his salary after 2+ months.
by Jack Armstrong started an All Star Game on Jun 21, 2011 12:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Krivksy DFA'd Stanton
He was DFA’d in the spring of 08, before Krivksy was fired.
Nothing succeeds like failure.
by Yossarian22 on Jun 21, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought we released Mike Lincoln
It looks like we stashed him on the 60 DL for a long time, which is almost the same thing. He didn’t pitch after May of last year.
RoastBeefKazenzakis is last night's point winner
"And a high fly ball to center field. He hit it a ton. And the 2010 National League Central Division Champs are the Cincinnati Reds!"
Renteria
Thanks for sharing the Blog Red Machine article with your readers.
One thing I forgot to mention, to totally drive the point home…
Mike Leake (career): OBP -.358, XBH% – 3.4%, HR% – 0
Compare that to Renteria’s last two seasons. You can make the case that Mike Leake makes more sense in that situation.
Think Fresh! Bring Back Barry!
I haven't stopped projectile vomiting since I saw Renteria in the on-deck circle
I’m going to continue until he is DFA’d and Cozart is promoted.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jun 21, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I can only hope...
…that Walt has seen enough. Baker continues to play Renteria, despite his poor play. Eventually, the parent has to take harmful tools away from the child.
Think Fresh! Bring Back Barry!
Honest question
What happens when Edgar is DFA’d, Cozart is called up, then becomes 2010 Paul Janish and plays once every other week?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
We bitch and moan about it
This is starting to resemble the ‘backup’ qb thing in football. Always the most popular choice when the starter struggles
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
Depends
If Cozart is playing solid D, with an OPS over .700, Janish will look very good on the bench.
Having said that, I love Janish’s defense. So if Cozart falls apart, you start Janish. At least we won’t have to worry about Renteria entering the game as a late inning sub
Think Fresh! Bring Back Barry!
I still don't understand why they can't just option Janish to AAA
Call up Cozart and start him 4 times a week.
No problem, fuckweasel! - jch24
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jun 21, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Why?
Why option Janish when he is superior to Renteria?
Think Fresh! Bring Back Barry!
Superior?
Better sure, but not superior
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
Erie.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Jun 21, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Huron fire today, Cy!
No problem, fuckweasel! - jch24
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jun 21, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hey, it's Kevin Mitch again!
……
Calmer than you are.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Jun 21, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Joey Votto is from Ontario!
(I don’t think I’m very good at this game.)
by the finest muffins on Jun 21, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Dusty was managing great yesterday
Ontarioverthought the Renteria PH!
No problem, fuckweasel! - jch24
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jun 21, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Lemme guess
the rines were crossed?
He fixes the cable?
by Colin Auscapee on Jun 21, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not so sure he is
/herewegoagain
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Seriously,
you just keep saying Janish is worse than everyone, but there isn’t any objective measure that backs that up.
All you have is your McHate.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
So we're going to discount OPS along with WAR?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Janish smells funnier than Renteria!
It’s throwing off the whole dugout!
No problem, fuckweasel! - jch24
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jun 21, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Ugh. So we'll discount defense too?
And who are we even comparing now? Let’s leave OCab alone for a minute (or at least leave it in the other thread)
Janish WAR= 0.0
Edgar WAR= -.4
Yes, Edgar is a slightly better hitter. His defense more than makes up for that. Also, as a bench player, he plays 1 position, badly. Janish can at least cover a bunch of spots in a pinch.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
Janish had an error yesterday
that means his defense sucks.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Well, his defense is pretty overrated.
But, just like last year and OCab, the alternative bar this year is so low, it’s hard not to look great in comparison.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
woah woah woah
Now janishs d is overrated?
Time for you to accept dusty and pimp coco!
What do you think about rosales?
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
by Ewok on Jun 21, 2011 1:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That's actually a somewhat interesting question
Rosales > Janish, right? What if they had kept Rosales?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Never mind
I totally forgot Rosales was collateral damage to get rid of Taveras. I still make that trade 11 times out of 10.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
yes rosales is better than janish without question
the question is would jeff keppinger be better than janish?
more helpful to the team
remember making fun of him for running to first after a walk or homerun?
well, that means he actually took a walk or hit a homerun
Rosales is OPSing .438 this year!
That’s slightly worse than Janish!
Singer: So did you know you can bring a gun in here now?
'Mache: I BROUGHT TWO! **flexes**
by andromache on Jun 21, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
16 AB is signicant, right 'creds?
Singer: So did you know you can bring a gun in here now?
'Mache: I BROUGHT TWO! **flexes**
Defense?
Did you see Rosales play SS? Does everybody totally discount the value of good defense? We’re talking about short-stop, not left field.
Think Fresh! Bring Back Barry!
by CKFresh on Jun 21, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Like Janish's "good" defense?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
This comment proves that you cannot have a rational discussion about Janish
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
one error makes it real easy to forget all the plays he's made that Renteria hasn't
Honestly I just want to know what the Janish Haters DO think the club should do if Cozart isn’t the answer.
x
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
by -ManBearPig on Jun 21, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's kind of turned into the Barry Larkin situation.
Paul Janish, a man with a decorated history as one of the all-time greats is blocking the younger generation from getting a shot.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
fine
I realize the Cozart AAA numbers transferring to the bigs thing is more of a joke now, but that started somewhere. I’m not so sure he’s the long-term solution either, but its time to find out. If he plays passable defense and hits for more power than both of our current options though, thats a success in my book.
The reason we can't leave OCab out of this or even in the other thread
Is because in one thread you’re discounting WAR in an attempt to say Janish is better than OCab but here you whip it right out to show that Janish is better than Renteria. You’re picking and choosing when a stat should count, and that smells like big business to me.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Nope.
WAR is a compiling stat. It is inherently unfair to compare one player’s WAR over half a season to another’s over a full season, which is what you are doing with OCab and Janish.
Renteria and Janish have each played about a quarter season. Besides, WAR is a stupid stat to use after half a season anyway, but the point is that Janish’s defensive superiority more than makes up for the slight offensive edge Edgar gets.
Same with OCab and Janish last year. You just don’t want to count defense.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
So there's a stat that gives credit for attendance? Awesome.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Yes. Playing time is inherently valuable
Someone has to stand at SS for 9 innings a game, 162 times a year. Whoever does that gets credit for it. You get more credit if you do it well, you lose credit if you do it terribly.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
But wouldn't standing there for nine innings doing it at an average level be the VERY DEFINITION of replacement level?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
average is better than replacement
Bronson Arroyo is average, but well above replacement level.
Nothing succeeds like failure.
Yep.
If you are exactly average at offense and defense, you get no extra credit, but no points taken off. The value attributed to simply standing there adds up to about 2 WAR, give or take.
So to be replacement level (Janish) or sub replacement (Renteria) you have to be so bad at offense (Janish) defense, or both (Renteria) that you add up to 0, or less. The idea being that any old AAA replacement player could come up and do as well, or better. (COZART COZART COZART)
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
I don't understand why you're arguing which of two bad players is worse.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jun 21, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Welcome to RR
where we spend all day arguing about crappy players!
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
So what you guys are saying is....
There’s a pretty big difference between AAA and the major leagues.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
That's not even close to what anyone is saying
but by all means, keep fucking that chicken!
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
You don't think 2 wins per player is a big difference then?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
You are as bad as my wife
Please read what I write before responding.
Not every player in the majors is worth 2 wins (average) and not every player in the minors would be replacement level.
The idea of replacement level is that any AAA schmuck can come up and be replacement level.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
why are the mods fighting?
is it something we did?
Do they still love us?
Nothing succeeds like failure.
"You are as bad as my wife"
I hope to god you’re not as condescending with her as you’re being here.
How do they reach said arbitrary “replacement” level though? Could it possibly be by AVERAGING the production of the players?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Sure, and posting pics like that aren't condescending at all
They figure out “average” by averaging total offensive and defensive production over the whole league, then decide, for each player, how far above or below that player is.
Being enough below average makes you “replacement” level. Some players in the minors could certainly come up and be better than that. (In fact, as much as some don’t want to believe it, it happens all the time!)
The idea is that almost any AAA player could come up and be “replacement” level.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
Of course the pic was condescending
The difference is I know I’m being condescending.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Dude, you should look into yoga or something
You seem really stressed out. Miss Maloney can probably help you.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I don't understand this, in all honesty
I’m just having a spirited discussion.
You post something condescending, then I do, yet I’m the stressy one. I’m not stressy at all.
And I really enjoy Bikram Yoga. It’s actually a lot of fun.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
You seem to be reluctant to admit being wrong and the very possibility of it seems to make you all antsy
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
at the risk of getting made fun of for saying it
I think it’s just gotten a bit too accusatory at this point on all sides. You guys disagree about 2% of the shorstop issue and find ways to try to attack each other instead of finding common ground. It makes for really boring reading because it’s
-the same things being rehashed
-doesn’t push the conversation forward at all
-gives the trolls the opportunity to flick boogers across RR.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Jun 21, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
This post was boring.
More insults!
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jun 21, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I THOUGHT I TOLD YOU TO GO TO YOUR ROOM?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
You're drinking again!
Calmer than you are.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Jun 21, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Where's Scrabbles with his BMX to lighten the mood?
Calmer than you are.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Jun 21, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
/obligatoryhostofangelscomment
Singer: So did you know you can bring a gun in here now?
'Mache: I BROUGHT TWO! **flexes**
Sorry, bro
I was out in the parking lot going off some sweet jumps.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 21, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
By sweet jumps, do you mean a 2x4 propped up across a dictionary?
I know your style
Calmer than you are.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Jun 21, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
It was a piece of dry wall
propped against an old Gateway 2000 tower.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 21, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Upped your game I see
Calmer than you are.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Jun 21, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
My mom got me some new knee pads
They have skateboarding frogs on them.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 21, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
In all honesty,
I feel like I’m spending half my time explaining my use of stats that you either don’t fully understand or don’t care about.
So I spend all this time explaining a stat I’ve used, and you respond with a condescending picture.
I’m happy to be wrong. I’m not happy to be made fun of for defending my position.
And with that I’ll leave it.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
We're running out of room, check out the bottom
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Hmmm...
I can’t think of one thing Renteria does better than Janish
Think Fresh! Bring Back Barry!
warning track fly outs!
No problem, fuckweasel! - jch24
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jun 21, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
To be fair, his OBP has been better this year, because he's willing to take a walk
But that’s it. He does everything else just as bad, or much worse.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
He has a higher OPS than Paul Janish
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I think what 'credsfan is trying to say
is that it’s still shit. It may be clean-breaking shit instead of diaretic, but it’s still shit.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Jun 21, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Right...
.546 for Edgar, .532 for Janish…
You think that even comes close to the defensive upgrade Janish represents?
Plus. Janish had a higher OPS last year.
Think Fresh! Bring Back Barry!
But we're talking about this year
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
Yes...
…and we’re talking about a 14 point difference in OPS, with relatively small sample size due to split playing time…
Janish could surpass Renteria in OPS by going 2-for-4 tonight.
The difference is so small it is irrelevant. On the other hand, Janish is perhaps a top 5 defensive SS while Renteria is like having Adam Dunn at SS.
Renteria would have to post an OPS over .700 to make up for the defensive difference
Think Fresh! Bring Back Barry!
Right, but we're talking about things Renteria does better than Janish this year
And his OPS is better, as is his OPS+
And their OPS’s and OPS+ were similar last year, with Janish appearing in 10 more games
But of course Renteria had to go ahead and OPS over 1.000 in the playoffs
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
My point...
Is that you can’t conclude Renteria is a better hitter, based on a 14 point difference in OPS, with limited playing time.
I could find a span of 200 AB where Jonny Gomes posted a higher OPS than Jay Bruce. Doesn’t make Gomes the better hitter.
Basically, it is at least debatable who is the better hitter between the two. Whereas there is no question that Janish is better defensively.
Think Fresh! Bring Back Barry!
But you argued
I can’t think of one thing Renteria does better than Janish
It may be semantics, but up to this point in the season…Renteria has a better OPS than Janish.
That is one thing Renteria is doing better than Janish.
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
And again...
…a 14 point difference in OPS over a small-ish sample doesn’t prove that Renteria DOES anything better than Janish.
He currently has a better OPS. Not fair to assume he does anything better than Janish (long term) based on that information.
Think Fresh! Bring Back Barry!
Whatever, they're both not good players at the moment
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
renteria communicates better with cueto, edinson, aroldis and coco than janish does!
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
by Ewok on Jun 21, 2011 2:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Don't be so sure about that.
Doesn’t Janish speak Spanish? And don’t 3 of those 4 players speak English?
by the finest muffins on Jun 21, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Janish does speak Spanish
but probably not as well as Renteria.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
im willing to go out on a limb
And state renteria definitely speaks better spanish than janish.
But janish probably speaks better jsutin.
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
by Ewok on Jun 21, 2011 3:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm not saying that's what I would do.
But it seems like a more realistic idea given the FO’s history.
They paid 2 million bucks for Renteria…not for PH’s in June, but for the stretch run and the postseason.
As arcane as it sounds, they’re not going to just dump him now.
No problem, fuckweasel! - jch24
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jun 21, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll assume you mean 2010 Janish as far as playing time, not necessarily performance
That’s a legitimate concern, I think.
But I don’t know that Dusty is all that tied to Janish as a starter. If Cozart came up and hit at all, I think he’d get his fair share of PT.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
Yeah, I do
And I could see it happening. Best case scenario in my mind is Coz replaces Edgard and Janish sprains an ankle covering 2B.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Yeah, I don't think Janish is sacred
if Coz outplays him, Coz outplays him.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Jun 21, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Make sure you drink plenty of water.
You can get really dehydrated vomiting that much.
by Jack Armstrong started an All Star Game on Jun 21, 2011 12:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I've got an IV going.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jun 21, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
and brush your teeth!
all that acid will give you cavities.
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
Wood and Arroyo make more sense in that situation.
Not kidding. Renteria had a could first couple of weeks of the season and has been below average since…for a starting pitcher.
But the saddest part was, the guy who made the most sense in that situation was Hanigan. We were down by 2, we were unlikely to get a HR off of Rivera, and Hanigan is extremely good at getting walks along with being a smart baserunner. It made no sense to sub him out.
Agreed
I love Hanigan, and he makes all the sense in the world over Renteria.
Still, I would’ve hit Hernandez. His OBP is above average, and he has shown the ability to “run into” a pitch, hitting over the right-field wall.
Just give me SOMEONE, who at least as a CHANCE, to tie the game.
Think Fresh! Bring Back Barry!
Would've gone with Hernandez too
But not like it would’ve mattered. You’re going up against Rivera. Of course, if the offense hadn’t gone to sleep against Nova maybe all of this would’ve been a moot point
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
Hernandez has seen a ton of Mo from his Orioles days, too.
No problem, fuckweasel! - jch24
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jun 21, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Hernandez was in the on-deck circle
to bat for Janish, which makes perfect sense. At least, it makes sense if you leave in Hanigan, since he’s relatively likely to reach base and Hernandez is decently likely to run into something that could be a double, which might score Leake or whomever you put in to run for Hanigan.
Still not a candidate.
Chuck, Chuck, Chuck
That caption should clearly read, “Wow, Jonny Gomes has really gone downhill. No wonder he didn’t pinch hit last night.”
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
dusty: do you think i should pinch hit edgar in a key situation tonight?
mystery guy: are you fucking serious?
dusty: you’re right … i think i will.
"And a high fly ball to center field. He hit it a ton. And the 2010 National League Central Division Champs are the Cincinnati Reds!"
by joshuar9476 on Jun 21, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
It's actually Reds' HoFer Jim O'Toole
whom I believe a few of our RR comrades have met in real life.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 21, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought that old dude looked familiar
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
McPaper
has a story about the Dodgers’ attendance woes.
Nineteen of 30 major league teams have suffered attendance declines this season, but 14 are down less than 3,000 per game. According to baseball-reference.com, the major league average is down just 459 per game.
But in Los Angeles, attendance has plummeted. The Dodgers averaged 35,846 fans in their first 35 home games, down 8,390 per game from a similar number of dates in 2010. In 2009, the Dodgers led baseball with an average attendance of 46,440.
But the apathy among fans runs much deeper. The patches of empty seats among season-ticket areas at the 56,000-capacity stadium are astoundingly wide.
When the Reds completed the three-game sweep in a day game Wednesday, the announced crowd was 30,443. Veteran attendance-guessers projected actual people in the stands at maybe 18,000.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Hoping results from the draft shows Reds FO finally gets it
Team needs serious STARTING pitching help. Can’t always try to rely on offense to pull a "W’.
Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!
"We'll be the first really global team in the NBA. For me, being the first foreign owner, I want to do my best to invite all the fans for the team all over the world. I think the NBA is worldwide. But other teams [possess a] more local mentality. We are going to create and to build a global franchise to sell all around the world. I think I have a competitive advantage compared to other owners." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Who gets the emergency start if Cueto can't go again?
Leake on 3 days?
Would they scratch Homer’s Louisville start to have him up here and ready to go?
LeCure?
No problem, fuckweasel! - jch24
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jun 21, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
dusty runs carlos out there for 5 innings
"And a high fly ball to center field. He hit it a ton. And the 2010 National League Central Division Champs are the Cincinnati Reds!"
by joshuar9476 on Jun 21, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
You say that again and you'll get your mouth washed out with soap, mister
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Carlos pitched yesterday
Nothing succeeds like failure.
by Yossarian22 on Jun 21, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
yes, i know
"And a high fly ball to center field. He hit it a ton. And the 2010 National League Central Division Champs are the Cincinnati Reds!"
by joshuar9476 on Jun 21, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
how about...
…Dontrelle? Is he walking through that door?
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
He just pitched 7 innings Sunday
No way he goes again today.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
I didn't mean today
I didn’t even see PRJ’s post when I posted. I was responding to the top part. Lincecum may not be walking through that door, but Dontrelle might be.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Have the Reds announced a press conference to fire Dusty Baker yet?
Anybody who uses Renteria in that situation should not be an MLB manager. Plain and simple. I think we could be in for some Sweet times with a change.
Nothing succeeds like failure.
Just as long as we don't get rick roll'd
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
She hasn't closed her mouth the entire time I've been in this thread
That can’t be healthy
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Jun 21, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
kind of looks like the scream mask
"And a high fly ball to center field. He hit it a ton. And the 2010 National League Central Division Champs are the Cincinnati Reds!"
Guthrie:
I think it’s worth having an honest conversation about. He’s not a Felix Hernandez-level ace, of course not. But he is better than Wood, Leake, and arguably Volquez. We may be comparable to the last Orioles pitcher the Reds traded for, the erstwhile Juan Guzman.
The pitching needs help, I think everyone agrees there. And just because the improvement may only be incremental does not mean you don’t try to improve. Let’s say that Bailey comes back soon and keeps up the good work when he returns. It’s optimistic, but I’m an optimistic guy. That gives the Reds a [Cueto, Bailey, Arroyo] top 3. I like Leake, Wood, and Volquez myself. But Guthrie would give the Reds better chances to win than any of those. And for the record: he’s on a one-year deal for $5.75 million. Ain’t much.
It may only be a half-win to a win increase, but in a tight divisional race, you take that. That .5-1 win is honestly about the difference that Pujols’ DL stint will likely be. That’s significant.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Yeah, I'm with you in that I wouldn't hate it.
He’s a bit too expensive, and he’s way too homer prone, but he’s a bona fide innings eater, which is just what this rotation needs. And the switch from the AL East to the NL Central would probably help his numbers a bit.
Also, he’s under team control through next year, so there could be some flexibility with what to do with him in the offseason.
I still think there are better ways to upgrade the team, but if Walt is set on getting a starter, he’s not a terrible option.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
Guthrie seems like a purr decent human being
for what little that is worth.
What might we have to give up?
He fixes the cable?
by Colin Auscapee on Jun 21, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd assume some outfielders and infielders
luckily, these are things the Reds have in abundance.
Markakis has been steadily going into Kearnsian territory, much to their chagrin. And Brian Roberts is getting into Methuselah territory.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Jun 21, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd give them Valaika and Willis
or Francisco and Willis. Guthrie just isn’t worth that much, and I wouldn’t give up anyone I think has a shot to be a starter for half a season of Guthrie, especially since there is not much of a guarantee that he would outperform Leake/Wood over the rest of the season.
Valaika and Willis wouldn't come close to getting an above average SP
Those guys both have next to no trade value
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
I still can't figure out how the Reds got more for Griffey than for Dunn in 2008
Nothing succeeds like failure.
I think Dallas Buck was the center piece in Walt's mind
he was a first round talent, who went in the 3rd round do to injuries, unfortunately he kept getting injured.
Nothing succeeds like failure.
Above average?
certainly above replacement, which is better than Volquez, but above average might be a stretch. Apparently, the general concensus on Guthrie is a lot more positive than my view of him.
Francisco and a Matt Klinker type? If it takes much more than this, count me out on thinking it’s a good idea. The upgrade from the Reds perspective is minimal, so he might be worth more to the Orioles than to the Reds.
Absolutely above average
He has reached 200 IP each of the last 2 years, and hit 190 the year before that.
His OPS+ last year was 111. This year it is 113 so far. He has averaged 3.7 WAR over the last 4 seasons. And that’s in the AL East. He is most definitely an above average pitcher.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
which is why he's worth a haul of players not in the Reds future.
in my opinion.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Sure, Frazier and LeCurealoney in a heartbeat
I’m not sure that gets it done.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
I only really stop at a catcher (which they don't need)
Guthrie’s probably the best legitimate option to improve the team, depending on what you think of the viability of Reyes and Beltran. I’d make a press for Guthrie and Hardy and hope you can pick a LFer up on the sly.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Obviously, I'm not into Hardy as much
because I think he’ll require an overpay given his numbers this year combined with the high demand for SS, and he’s only a rental as well. (Plus, if you hadn’t noticed, I kind of believe in Cozart :-))
But I agree that Guthrie is worth a push for. Anyone in AAA other than Mesoraco is fair game for me too.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
Fangraphs war (IMO) unfairly punishes guys who don't K a ton of batters
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
As much as I like WAR for arguments
it can be damned stupid. BBRef WAR doesn’t like BP’s defense. Fangraphs is subjective as all get-out (and they never admit it). It’s really frustrating.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Esp. on pitchers.
It’s the old Bronson argument, about how he gives up a lot of contact, but when he’s on, it’s weak contact, and therefore turns into a lot of outs.
I don’t think pitcher WAR has figured out how to really evaluate the value of a pitcher.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
Guthrie definitely qualifies there
I do sort of agree with you. But not completely, as I think fewer Ks should be punished, it’s just a matter of extent.
Yeah, I hear you
His peripherals are less than impressive. But the final results are consistently better than they should be.
At some point, you have to give him credit for that. I kind of see him as Arroyo with better stuff and slightly better peripherals. I think that would be a real upgrade at this point.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
Yeah, well it sounds like we agree on Guthrie mostly
It sounds like we don;t agree on the guys we have now, instead. Oh, and on how much we’d be willing to pay for the guy.
If we get him, hope 2009 was the outlier
Cuz that’s what his peripherals say the results should look like, and it isn’t too pretty.
how does camden play as a hitters/pitchers park
those AL east to NL central number switch might not matter much if he’s a homer prone pitcher moving into a homer prone park.
note: I wouldn't hate a deal for him, he's been a good pitcher
just that I’m skeptical in thinking he’s worth dealing some youth for.
Good point
It’s a similar hitting environment to GABP over the last few years, although GABP is playing as a HUGE hitter’s park this year.
Not sure on homers specifically.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
question:
where do you find these numbers, and are these numbers dependent on the rest of the league? (I would imagine they are, so its normalizing it for the players in the league) If so, wouldnt the numbers be skewed toward GABP since the hitting numbers are down across the league so far this year and the homer proneness of GABP makes it seem like its huge?
That might make sense, let me know if it doesn’t.
Anybody who is consistently sub 4 ERA in the AL East is worth a look.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jun 21, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Arroyo was pretty damned good his first full year in the NL
and he had an ERA over 4.
Nothing succeeds like failure.
i wasn't trying to be a troll
i am actually agreeing with GBSAMBB. What about that is trolling?
Nothing succeeds like failure.
He looks quite a bit like BroYo
which isn’t a bad thing. He’s a pretty good pitcher, but I just don’t think he is much better than the in-house options. If we can get him and Hardy for a good deal, I’m all up ons. But like pretty much every pitcher that is said to be available this summer, he elicits an eyeroll and a yawn.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 21, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
He'll be an improvement, thoguh
improvements are good things. Especially if they come with shorstops.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
I'm far more interested in Hardy
And yes, he would be an improvement. I’m just not sure that modest improvement will be worth the cost.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 21, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
If we could get Guthrie and Hardy I say go for it.
Why are you working the permit's desk, and why was that child clubbing your nuggets? ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Jun 21, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure
But it all depends on the cost.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 21, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
of course the price is the question
but I think with all of the arms Baltimore’s holding, there’s a chance.
To continue the Guzman analogy: he was gotten for B.J. Ryan and a certain Jacobo Sequea. I don’t think it would be too far off for Guthrie. Say, Frazier and LeCurealoney? Throw in a couple more for Hardy?
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
But that's a serious haul for maybe a 1-2 win improvement, at most
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
he could get an Arroyo like bump this year
and put up an ERA around 2.5 for the Reds.
Nothing succeeds like failure.
so would you not do it?
The Brewers aren’t going to get any worse, especially after they jettison Yuniesky. The Reds need to improve and I’m not sure if “counting on Rolen to stop being old” is enough improvement.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
He has a certain Leake-like quality I admire.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jun 21, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Frazier and LeCure might (MIGHT) get Guthrie, but I doubt it.
So to get Hardy on top of that, you’d probably have to throw in Alonso plus another younger guy with major upside. Even that might not get it done.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
They've got a big hole at 1B, so Alonso should be part of any package
Alonso + LeCure for Guthrie should be a no-brainer for them, since they’re not going anywhere this year.
No way would I do that for Guthrie.
Alonso, Lecure, Francisco/Cozart for Guthrie and Hardy – I would think about that.
It might be a slight overpay, but I don't see Alonso with any future on this team
And 1.5 years of Guthrie is nothing to sneeze at.
Guthrie is going to cost $8 million+ next year
especially if he is as good a pitcher as everyone thinks. Alonso has 6(?) years of team control left.
Guthrie is also a proven starter with a long track record of success
Alonso hasn’t done anything in the majors yet.
Such is the nature of trading a prospect for a veteran.
Alonso plus LeCure would be a great trade.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
What if we could trade Votto in the off season for a top of the staff pitcher?
Nothing succeeds like failure.
i don't know who the Reds would have to dance with (shame Philly overpaid for Howard...)
but a team that needs a hitter, has a hole at first base, and has pitching to burn, could be a good place to send Votto, and we get the Ace we need, and Alsonso can take over at first.
I know we love Votto, but I think a true top of the staff starter will be more useful for the Reds than Joey.
Nothing succeeds like failure.
I don't see that team existing
As awesome as Votto is, teams really, really value ace pitching. As evidenced by the fact that you’d be willing to trade Votto for said ace.
The only way I could see it is if the ace was in the last year of a deal, in which case I wouldn’t want to do it.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
And I don't see a team trading an ace with 3-4 years of control left
for 2 years of Votto.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
He's an innings eater plain and simple
he is not significantly (if any) better than Arroyo or Leake. Though he does appear to be able to depress BABIP, nothing else about his profile says that he’s better than anyone in our rotation, except health (and that he works in the AL maybe).
If Guthrie is our big move, I would be underwhelmed. I’d rather have Alonso for whenever Votto leaves. Or someone who is a certifiable upgrade.
This is not a video game with "veto trades" turned off
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Here is what needs to be done
Wood to AAA, Bailey takes his place.
Volquez to AAA, Willis takes his place.
Renteria to the scrap heap, Janish takes his place.
Janish to the bench, Cozart takes his place.
Arredondo to the phantom DL, LeCure takes his place.
Make Horst the long man, have LeCure and Fisher serve as the alternate middle relievers, problems are solved.
Dusty to pasture, Sweet takes his place (shame we missed the McKeon boat…)
Price to pasture, Don Gullet takes his place.
Nothing succeeds like failure.
I'm so glad you aren't the GM.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
by nycredsfan on Jun 21, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
what do you disagree with?
Nothing succeeds like failure.
by Yossarian22 on Jun 21, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Making those kind of wholesale changes to a team 2.5 games out would pretty much guarantee they don't make the playoffs
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
Why?
Wood has struggled, Bailey is going to have to replace somebody.
Willis has pitched great in AAA, and has a big league track record, lets see what he can do.
Arredondo has struggled, i don’t want to lose him, but maybe some time off and rehab will help him, and LeCure is going to have to replace somebody.
Outside of a couple of weeks following his long game, Fisher has pitched pretty well in the big leagues, so lets see what he can do.
Janish and Renteria sucks, Renteria sucks more and is older, so send him out, put Janish on the bench, and give Cozart his chance.
Dusty should lose the privilege of being a manager for using Renteria when he did last night.
I always liked Don Gullet.
This team is only 2.5 games out but should have a comfortable lead, St. Louis and Milwaukee aren’t power house teams.
Nothing succeeds like failure.
None of the player moves are horrible,
but you lose all credibility when you say that Dusty should get canned for one PH move.
team has underpreformed with him as manager this year
last night was the breaking point. Perhaps a manager who uses his tools in a more optimal way, would do better. The Reds have the same Pythagorean record as St. Louis and Milwaukee. Dusty’s bullpen use, lineups, and PH’s are less than optimal.
Nothing succeeds like failure.
I guess that's all there is to a manager's job.
I thought you said you bought the Maple Street annual?
Also, before last night I hadn't noticed any egregiously bad PHs
Dusty also started using Votto-Bruce at 3-4 per our repeated requests. I dont’ think there’s a whole lot else to be done.
Me too.
Willis: Fools’ Gold.
Arredondo and LeCure do not play the same position (1 inning vs long man/’spot starter)
Horst: organizational fodder
Removing Dusty is a bad idea. Never thought I’d say that, but he’s instrumental to this team’s success. He doesn’t lose his job without a bad slide out of contention.
Gullett? Seriously?
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jun 21, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm
Willis, had a great run of things prior to some mental issues, seems to have those straightened out. If he doesn’t work out, he can go, and Volquez can come back. I still think Volquez needs more time in AAA to straighten himself out, so if nothing else it buys Volquez more time.
Why can’t LeCure be a short reliever? He did a damn good job in relief prior to his injury, why only use him in blowouts, when the starting pitcher gets hurt, or when he is the last man standing in extra innings? Nick Masset opened 2009 as the long reliever but pitched himself into the 8th inning role (Burton helped by pitching himself out of it), why can’t LeCure be promoted in the bullpen? His future is probably in the bullpen not the rotation anyway.
Dusty Baker has made a number of bad moves, he was here at the right time for the teams success, and they are playing below their ability, maybe a change can help this team do more than tread water.
Gullet turned Pete Schoureck, and Pete Harnish into top of the staff pitchers. Helped Steve Parris be a useful pitcher. Did wonders with relievers like Jeff Shaw, Gabe White, etc, Elmar Dessens had a career year under Gullet. A lot of pitchers seemed to have their best years under Don Gullet. It was amazing that he got what he got out of his pitching staff, given all the shit he was given.
Nothing succeeds like failure.
Dusty has a very long leash, and deservedly so. That leash likely extends beyond this year, no matter what happens. Deal with it.
LeCure doesn’t have the stuff to be an effective short reliever. He’s great in his role as long man/spot starter, and we have other arms for short relief.
I simply cannot believe Willie will ever be an effective big league pitcher again. I’d love to be proven wrong, but I don’t see it. Yeah, he’s been pretty good in Louisville, but I still don’t believe in him.
There’s no reason to think Price deserves to lose his job. He’s been universally lauded as being good at his job. Nothing against Gullett, but as we’ve frequently seen, former Reds don’t do so well in managing the Reds.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jun 21, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Sometimes.
Point taken, but I don’t see any reason to put a square peg in a round hole here.
LeCure is a marginal big leaguer who has been solid in the position he is suited for.
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jun 21, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Even starting he did a fine job the first time through the line up
He did a great job in relief, and I think he has earned a shot moving up the bullpen just a bit. Should he be a closer? Probably not, but he could probably be 7th inning guy, or pitch in close deficits.
Nothing succeeds like failure.
He looked good in SSS when used as a short reliever this year.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
so move him up, see what happens
Masset opened 2009 in long relief before he got promoted.
Nothing succeeds like failure.
he definitely looked a lot livelier
he could have a future there. I’d love to see ith appen.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
i really do see Stormy in LeCure
and Stormy had a helluva career, he was very useful, while unspectacular. I’ll take Weathers (05-09) in almost any bullpen.
Nothing succeeds like failure.
I agree with you here as well
If no one else, LeCure is as good a bet as anyone to take the role that was simply handed to Arredondo.
Arredondo's been pitching damn near every day
Reds need a trusty righty to take up some innings.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
he's been given every chance to be so
walking a ton, etc. He could use more 6th inning situations, but Dusty trusts him more than Fisher or Horst, of course.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
yep
Arredondo hasn’t pitched well, which is unfortunate. His role seems to be 7th inning guy, or guy pitching in a close deficit situation. I don’t trust him in that role. While his stuff wasn’t as advertised, I still think he can be pretty useful if he finds more command.
I guess the bullpen right now is:
C-Coco
8th-Masset
7th-Ondrusek
Middle Reliever-Arredono
loogy-Bray
Long men-Horst, Fisher.
I wouldn’t mind, seeing LeCure given the generic middle reliever role, and maybe see what Fisher can do as well. Horst sucks, but I don’t know of a better long man at the moment.
Nothing succeeds like failure.
Replace Horst with Willis or Wood
Replace Wood with Bailey
Replace Fisher with LeCure
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
I really don't want Wood rotting in the bullpen as the long man
i think he needs to start every 5 days, if not in Cincinnati in Louisville.
Nothing succeeds like failure.
the other thing i woud consider is
Volquez in the bullpen.
I know he sucks in the first inning, but i think that is mental more than physical. Some guys do better when they have to be ready to pitch everyday, Chris Reitsma said he pitched better in relief just for that reason, he liked knowing that everyday when he went to the ballpark he could play.
He could be the closer we need in 2011.
Nothing succeeds like failure.
Mayhap so
But I actually trust Dusty’s bullpen construction ability.
Maybe LeCure could be good in short relief. If Dusty thinks so, I will gladly support the move.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jun 21, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
When you write stuff like this I imagine you like the guy calling the radio station at the end of One Crazy Summer
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I know the only thing RR likes more than arguing shitty players is hating on Arcade Fire
but if you can somehow not enjoy the last 5 minutes of this video (fast forward to 7:30) than I don’t think you like fun.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Luis Quiniones?
/’86’d
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jun 21, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
The sad thing about Janish is, all he has to do is hit .250 to make us happy.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jun 21, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Can you imagine if the players actually read the stuff we wrote about them?
They’d spend more time in therapy than in the batting cage.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jun 21, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
@Dat_Dude_BP
Dawg, dem bitches be crazy. LOL
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
by crolfer on Jun 21, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
We haven't had much bad to say about him lately.
In fact, I think it’s pretty awesome that he seems to have improved his standing in the Reds blogging world.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jun 21, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
that's because slyde quit ragging on him so much
bp was considered awesome until slyde decided he didn’t like him and the #groupthink took over
I can't agree or disagree with this until at least 4 more people chime in
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jun 21, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
It was probably without a doubt groupthink.
Singer: So did you know you can bring a gun in here now?
'Mache: I BROUGHT TWO! **flexes**
i am glad i know what to think
otherwise i would have to go to ’tHan to form all my opinions, at which point i would become a fool.
Nothing succeeds like failure.
a combination of slyde
and doug over at redsminorleagues kinda influenced the phillips hate.
of course doug could say that shit tastes good and if you disagreed everyone that posts on his site would attack you. hes got that weird cult leader thing going on
"strikeouts are a lot sexier than groundouts"
he is THE Reds minor league blogger
as befits his site name. Apologies to BK + ’Creds, but he was in the game before them.
He knows his shit, to be sure, but he tends to be more optimistic than most. And people like hearing optimistic news. Thus, the cult.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
I'll cop to that
In that radio thing I did yesterday I admitted that my feelings on him change almost weekly.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
I looked, I couldn't find it
It’s just a dinky college radio station, 88.1, WCWP
There’s the link to the station website. IF any of you can find archives (it was on at 6:15 last night) I’d appreciate it!
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
Ask em for an mp3, they should be able to give it to you
It’s common courtesy.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Mine change whether he's taking away a run in the field or getting picked off on the bases
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
The hivemind says you didn't.
Singer: So did you know you can bring a gun in here now?
'Mache: I BROUGHT TWO! **flexes**
I'm leaning toward not liking BP again
if you are wondering.
Follow on Twitter: @jluckhaupt. Buy The Wire-to-Wire Reds today!
BP SUCKS!
Nothing succeeds like failure.
by Yossarian22 on Jun 21, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
look what he did to the Gulf!
Nothing succeeds like failure.
by Yossarian22 on Jun 21, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Good lord, RR
You guys are gonna drive me to drinking.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
define 'why'?
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
by crolfer on Jun 21, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Touche!
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jun 21, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
alcohol or robitussin?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Jun 21, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well, I'm all out of robitussin now, so probably the former.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
How was the Robo trip?
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
by -ManBearPig on Jun 21, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I'm not entirely sure.
I know I slept really well and watched Drunk History on Youtube for an hour or so.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
Reminds me of one of the worst nights of my life.
The thought of the taste of Robotussin makes me wanna gag.
If I’m that hard up for intoxication, I’d rather drink listerine than go through the robo nightmare again.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jun 21, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I did it more or less accidentally. Plus I was bored.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
^ how babby is formed.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Jun 21, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
One time my mom gave me four times the recommended dose of cough syrup at an academic team tournament.
I don’t remember much, but other than trying to use the boy’s bathroom, and drooling on the buzzers, I think I had the best tourney of my life.
Singer: So did you know you can bring a gun in here now?
'Mache: I BROUGHT TWO! **flexes**
"High School Quiz Bowl: Nerd nerd mcNerdy nerdish nerder!"
STARRING ZAC EFRON!
Singer: So did you know you can bring a gun in here now?
'Mache: I BROUGHT TWO! **flexes**
And his hair will be combed and parted
When he becomes cool, he’ll just let it flop around on his head, ‘cause, y’know, whatevs!
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jun 21, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think an episode of Glee went something like that.
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose: it's how drunk you get. ~Homer Simpson
by Hawkeyegirl96 on Jun 21, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Why, Yossarian, that is an EXCELLENT question.
Singer: So did you know you can bring a gun in here now?
'Mache: I BROUGHT TWO! **flexes**
It may have been German - I remember the bottle saying 'Munchausen'.
/icanmakethatjokebecauseshe’sMYmom
Singer: So did you know you can bring a gun in here now?
'Mache: I BROUGHT TWO! **flexes**
by andromache on Jun 21, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
and a damned fine joke it was!
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
There is a guy in Boston known as Listerine Joe
he is homeless and steals listerine from stores, and his mine is completely gone from years of hard listerine use, but he sometimes walks into bars with pianos and is like the guy from Shine.
Nothing succeeds like failure.
Hmm, maybe that Lewis guy should be starting more often.
He’s hit in 7 of his last 9 at bats. .367 OBS, .287 BA. Maybe he can, you know, lead off and let Stubbs move to 5th, 6th, or 7th. Maybe that will get him a little more relaxed, not worrying about getting on base all the time, less strikeouts.
Just a thought.
And Scott Kazmir was just released. Maybe Walt can pick him up, see what he can do in AAA. I’d say Kazmis is just as good as Guthrie and wouldn’t cost a thing.
by Jack Armstrong started an All Star Game on Jun 21, 2011 2:03 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
If you said Kazmir is just as good as Guthrie you'd be very very wrong.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jun 21, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I really don't get the Guthrie hate.
The guy pitches against the best lineups in baseball with a bad defense behind him, and he still grades out as a #3 starter. He’s better than anyone in our current rotation except Cueto.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
you got any idea how he's maintained a sub .280 BABIP for a few years running?
No problem, fuckweasel! - jch24
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jun 21, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
He seems vaguely part-Asian
That probably has something to do with it.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jun 21, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Kazmir is completely useless
I believe way more in Dontrelle than in Kazmir, and I have very little faith in Dontrelle (as a starter).
I think Kazmir will have a resurgence in a couple of years, dude's young
But I don’t want to have to wait for that to happen while he’s on the Reds payroll.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
He's got the curse of Steve Avery and Dontrelle Willis
He’s done.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jun 21, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm of the opinion that we shouldn't even be talking about pitching trades
Because there’s nothing out there. There’s no Cliff Lee’s so why do it. Seems like making a trade to make a trade and I’d hate to see us stuck with a Westbrook type pitcher. If Walt wants a pitcher so bad, at least not give up much for one.
by Jack Armstrong started an All Star Game on Jun 21, 2011 2:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I sort of agree
But there’s plenty of time for the trade market to develop.
Doesn’t hurt to kick the tires, especially since we can’t count on Bailey or Volquez. We don’t have an in-house candidate that’s anywhere near as good as Guthrie. Who knows who else might become available.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jun 21, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
because the Reds' pitching has been subpar and needs to improve.
And as much as I’d hope for Volquez to improve and Bailey to come back with his eyeball-slicer, I’d rather not bet on it.
There are a few decent improvements out there. In a tight divisional race, the Reds ought to look at them. And of course, nobody wants an overpay. Let’s just all accept that.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
I disagree
The starters had ONE really bad stretch on the road trip from hell and have had a number of injuries. Questionable choices had to made (such as starting Thompson, stretching out the bullpen, leaving starters in tooo long to save the bullpen) that skew the numbers and a number of our young guys have struggled during the maturation process. Since coming back from that trip and injuries, how many quality outings have we had from our pitchers? We are nearly 100% and have enough in-house to improve. I don’t see any pitchers on the market to drastically improve the rotation.
by Jack Armstrong started an All Star Game on Jun 21, 2011 2:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He didn't.
He had that mop up after Homer Bailey got hurt.
Why are you working the permit's desk, and why was that child clubbing your nuggets? ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Jun 21, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I shall return, miss me!
Love you, ’credsy!
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
it's not just for brains
I’m ALL dick, hoss.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
First !
Oh wait. Never mind.
Stools are where once upon a time you'd find a chair. A chair's for fools! Everybody wants stools!
by ClownPenis.Fart on Jun 21, 2011 2:50 PM EDT reply actions
He didn't rush into the Redreporting blogging game.
Calmer than you are.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Jun 21, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you, thank you all. Long time listener, first time caller to the board.
Stools are where once upon a time you'd find a chair. A chair's for fools! Everybody wants stools!
by ClownPenis.Fart on Jun 21, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
One of my favorite SNL skits
Calmer than you are.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Jun 21, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
You need to go to the next RR meetup just so you can
introduce yourself… “Hey guys, I’m Clown Penis (dot) Fart.”
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
for 'cred
I don’t see how you can explain that WAR (a stat that you and everyone else here uses) essentially revolves around the fact that there’s a big ass difference between AAA and the majors, then tell me that the difference isn’t that big.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
That's not really what it revolves around
It’s based on the fact that an “average” player should be worth about 2 wins more than your average AAA player.
That doesn’t mean every AAA player would come up and be replacement level. Some will do better, some worse. No one is advocating
for Kris Negron to come up. And not saying the jump isn’t big. I’m saying it’s not the same for everyone. If a guy is crushing AAA and scouts think he has MLB tools, AND his position at the MLB level is a shitshow, it’s a bit silly to argue (as Dusty did) that you shouldnt call guys up “because MLB is so much harder than AAA”.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
by nycredsfan on Jun 21, 2011 3:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Plus he's almost 26
Maybe he can be above average, maybe he can’t, but let’s see what we got. It can’t be worse than the status quo.
Janish vs. Renteria argument:
In other words, it doesn’t matter.
If these two are your only choices, it doesn’t matter which one you choose…you lose.
Cozart may be no better than a cheese sandwich or a soggy PB & J, but at least he’s not these two.
No problem, fuckweasel! - jch24
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jun 21, 2011 3:26 PM EDT reply actions
Lets move on from SS and to LF
any chance Brett Gardner is made available? I’d love to see his .370 OBP at the top of the order every day
And play LF?
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
He played over 120 games in LF last year and has played 67 there this year.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Yeah, I figured
That’s kind of bringing us right back into the LF discussion
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
Really, who is available?
Is Kemp nothing more than a pipe dream? Might Ethier be made available? I think Beltran is a bad idea, personally, Gardner could be worth a shot, Fukudome is likely to regress this year and is making way too much money, Luke Scott is a birther, Frenchy is a turd…
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Josh Willingham, maybe?
If the A’s fall out of it. He’s not having a great year but had a couple of good seasons in the NL before. Doesn’t make too much money either.
I know the A's have a major need at 1B, but I don't know if a 32 year old LF'er
that looks like he’s hitting the decline phase is a great investment. The more I think about it, Gardner seems like a good idea. He’s only owed 500k this year, he could move to the leadoff spot and drop Stubbs down to 5th or 6th. The Yanks need a pitcher. Would a straight up trade of Leake/Volky/Wood get it done?
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
And looky whats in the sidebar...A Fangraphs article showing that Gardner
is 12th overall in WAR since the start of last season. Someone email Walt.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
When the Dodgers fail to make payroll
do all their players become free agents, based on a breach of contract?
Then we quick make a TV deal with Fox, and use the money to sign Kemp AND Ethier!
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
Fangraphs just did a thing on how Gardner is one of the elite players in the game right now
and I have to say it’s true. I just don’t see what the Reds could offer the Yankees to get him, as great as it would be to have him.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
just a few weeks ago
He was hitting so poorly fans were about ready to run him out of town. Many thought he’d been “figured out” and would never hit well again.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
The Fay - making the case for Cozart
Dusty Baker talked earlier about getting Renteria to the hot weather. Renteria has gotten worse as the weather warmed. His OPS was .742 in April, .504 in May and .332 so far in June.
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
I love when teh Fya calls my fandom "hard-core."
No problem, fuckweasel! - jch24
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jun 21, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully now that the Coz Train is on a main line
the FO will feel the fire to make a move. I predict we’ll see Coz by the end of the week.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 21, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if the road trip
will be a “last stand” of sorts for Janish and Rent.
So, so many "last stands"
That lead nowhere
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
Dusty is loyal to his starters to a fault
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jun 21, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I know
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
the bad stuff seemesto be clearing by game time
http://www.weather.com/weather/map/interactive/Cincinnati+OH+45202
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
well, just in case there's a game...i've got my rally cleavage ready to go!
brendanukkah may want to stand by for this one.
You laugh like Goofy.
Calmer than you are.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Jun 22, 2011 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Put Renteria in LF and Gomes at SS
That’s the kind of “shake-up” that Dusty could get behind.
Think Fresh! Bring Back Barry!
Did anyone see this news today?
Boston Bruins rack up a $150,000 bar tab
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
The Ace of Spades
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
but man, if you have a bottle that makes Zdeno Chara look like a midget...
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
former Kentucky Thoroughblade!
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jun 21, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
how do you win your sports' championship and NOT rack up a $150000 bar tab?
hell, if the reds win the world series this year, i might do that myself!
Good to see my buddy Jim in the pic there.
I’ll be with him at the game tomorrow as the ’61 team is officially honored.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
Unbelievably stupid question, but does anyone here know if and where you can get your face painted at GABP
… a relative of mine is interested
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
The men's room in LF.
Ask for Butch.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Jun 21, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
Just because Jonny Gomes plays like shit
doesn’t mean we can call LF “The Men’s Room”.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
oh fucking bravo sir
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Jun 21, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
You mean you're relatively interested?
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
my sister is interested
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jun 21, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I doubt that you're going to like the direction this takes
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
might be seeing that tandem
Girardi says he’ll probably give A-Rod one of tomorrow’s games off.
Martin will definitely be getting one game off.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
It's not that bad of weather tonight in Cincy, is it?
I’m wondering if this is a ploy by the Reds to force Girardi to use some scrubs in one of the games.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
Yankees beat writers
are reporting that the weather is very bad in Cincinnati. Steady rain alternating with torrential downpours.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
it has not rained hard in several hours.
it’s been drizzling, and the sky doesn’t look too foreboding.
He fixes the cable?
by Colin Auscapee on Jun 21, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
You mean the yankees beat writers are making shit up....again?
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
i wondered if they wanted to give Cueto's neck one more day
especially since with an off day on Thursday they won’t have to come up with a 6th starter or use people on short rest.
Nothing succeeds like failure.
by Yossarian22 on Jun 21, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Cueto's in the lineup
Stubbs 8
Phillips 4
Votto 3
Bruce 9
Rolen 5
Gomes 7
Hernandez 2
Janish 6
Cueto 1
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
forreal?
source this
He fixes the cable?
by Colin Auscapee on Jun 21, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
It was just on WLW.
Also Yahoo!
by Don, the Rebel without a Blog on Jun 21, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Its official
via Reds Twatter
Tonight’s game postponed. Separate games tomorrow at 12:35, 7:10. Use June 21 tickets for night game. More details forthcoming on reds.com.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
What do you think they'll do for the pitching matchup?
Also, can they call up Louisville players between games tomorrow?
according to teh Fay
Mike Leake will face Freddy Garcia in the afternoon game, while Johnny Cueto will oppose Brian Gordon in the 7:10 p.m. start.
They could call up players between games. The Red Sox did that once with relief pitchers in a day-night doubleheader against the Yanks. DFA’d the one they’d used, and subbed in a replacement from Pawtucket.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
That seems like a pretty significant advantage the Reds would have over the Yankees...
Especially if either team has to go deep in their bullpen.
Seems like a perfect opportunity to call up Cozart and Alonso and DFA Renteria and Lewis. Let Alonso get the start at 1B tomorrow night to give Votto a breather…
Except that Lewis has been nails lately.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
the Yankees could do it, too, if they wanted to
They’d have to have the guys in Cincinnati well before the official roster change, but it’s been done before.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
If this, or anything like this, happens tomorrow
I will run, naked, from here to Cincinnati.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
by nycredsfan on Jun 21, 2011 6:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hey Jeremy, hows it going?
we’re gonna use you in the first game today, but we’re bringing in this other guy to take your spot for the next game and you’re going to be DFA’d. Go get ’em kid.
i'm going with my dad to the day game tomorrow
i’ve had these tickets since december 13th. should i try to convince him to stay for the night game? he’s 65 and his knees aren’t what they used to be, so i don’t know much walking around to waste time tomorrow he’d be able to do. thoughts? we’re driving down from Indy, fyi.
Yes. Bring a book for between games and go sit on the square.
I’d go to both games if I were in town!
by the finest muffins on Jun 21, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm going to the night game for sure
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jun 21, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I went to cincy yesterday and I had no trouble
Has it been really bad in the evenings?
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jun 21, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I appreciate the heads up
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jun 21, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
@notjimmydykes came up from lexington today. this was his tweet
so I drive 4.5 hours in shit traffic, normally a 2 hr drive and now they called the damn game off
that blows
I might look into an alternate route
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jun 21, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
have you ever taken 27 from Lexington to Cincinnati?
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jun 21, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
i think I might do that
longer route, lower speed limits, but hopefully less traffic
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jun 21, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
at the very least
i’d take 275 & go through newport
you should be able to bypass the heavy traffic parts.
there will be a sign right before the 275 exit that will let you know the wait to the river
I always park on the Kentucky side anyway
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jun 21, 2011 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
The brent spence bridge is falling apart, unexpectedly
I drove Dixie highway from buttermilk to Covington, regular traffic drive time.
The idiots who sat in bumper to bumper traffic on 75 deserved what they got. 700wlw gives traffic reports every 20 mins.
Supposedly it was debris from the construction project they've been doing.....supposedly
Minneapolis here we come!
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Directions help?
How do I take Dixie to Covington?
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jun 21, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you have tickets for both games?
Cuz they’ll kick you out after the first game and make you have a ticket for the second one.
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yeah, i know
i was considering buying tickets to the night game. but after a quick perusal of stubhub, reds.com and our own fine ticketing sales system, i have decided against this. tickets is ’spensive.
unless you wanna get me and my dad in for free…
wish I could, but I have zero pull
You might be able to buy some tickets for the night game at the gate. I don’t know how the exchanges work, but there may be some tickets made available through that process.
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think they'll have batting practice before the day game?
depending on the weather and such
you didn't hear it from me but you might wanna buy $5 tix at the gate and sit wherever you want for the night game
There are going to be a lot of people that don’t go due to scheduling problems.
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I don't know on batting practice
I’d guess no since it’s already scheduled to be a long day, but after having a day off, some players may want a tune up before the games start.
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How's the weather in Louisville?
Are they going to play tonight?
The lineup:
Cozart SS
Sappelt CF
Francisco 3B
Mesoraco DH
Frazier 1B
Alonso LF
Valaika 2B
Miller C
Negron RF
Bailey P
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I see 4 names I'd like to see in Cincinnati - Sooner than later
Bailey
Cozart
Alonso
Frazier
Cozart for sure.
If Gomes and Heisey don’t start hitting like corner OFs…well I’m allfor Yonder and Todd
Fred is good as a LH 5th OF.
EdRent may heat up as the summer rolls along but methinks it will too late.
Gramps is still playingpretty well for a guy who can barely run from 1st to 3rd…
Then fix the 1st inning Curse for the starters and things will right thmselves.
Rick Santorum telling my father [he] doesn't know about torture is like Carrot Top telling Lebron James he doesn't know about basketball." Meghan McCain
You are the anti Justin. I would be totally cool with you as our GM!
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
if we're going to annoint an anti justin
i bet there will be a long line of rr’s trying to claim the title
I kind of think Justin is the anti-Justin.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
which means he is wrong
Nothing succeeds like failure.
by Yossarian22 on Jun 21, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
hooray! you're back!
that means i’m not in charge anymore, right?
Wow game postponed to rain delay?
Double Dip 2morro?
Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!
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