18 Games at a Time - Capsule 4
If the recent speculation is to be believed, we may be less than a season away from massive realignment, with one of the outcomes being perpetual inter-league play. I would imagine the Reds would be well served to fold the franchise if this is the case. Inter-league disappointments aside, this was a positive stretch for the home team. Games picked up on the division leaders are always cause for a Coke and a smile, and there has been an actual starting pitching sighting. As we’ll see later, just staying close for now is key. All the numbers are through Saturday’s games…
2011 Reds, Capsule 4
Overview:
Wins/Losses: 10 - 8
Strength of Schedule: .496 (8th most difficult in NL; 21st most difficult in ML)
[Prev: .505 , 4th most difficult in NL; 6th most difficult in ML]
RPI (ESPN): .500 (8th best in NL; 16th best in ML)
[Prev: .504, 6th best in NL; 12th best in ML]
Baseball Prospectus playoff odds: 17.6% [Prev: 10.4%]
Offense:
- .260/.335/.371 (AVG/OBP/SLG) for the team, compares to NL average of .252/.319/.391
- The regular eight were as Dusty drew ‘em up in February, with Hanigan getting a few more opportunities then Hernandez. Of the primary starters, the leading hitters were Jonny Gomes (!) and Drew Stubbs, each with an OPS of 862. Gomes's BABIP for the period was .500.
- Neither catcher hit for any power: just one double between them, but they both continue to impress with OBPs over .400 for the period.
- Much has been made of the strikeout struggles of Drew Stubbs (30 for the period), but Joey Votto was fairly close behind in the category with 24.
- With the hitters they have, and the park in which they play, 12 home runs in 18 games is pretty ugly.
- The shortstops: Janish with a 608 OPS, Renteria at 472. For the year, both are in the mid-500s. Janish, in particular, is good for 2.0 RC/G.
- MVP and Future MVP played well enough to not embarrass themselves, but not well enough to distinguish. There's a sense in which putting together a winning record without a hitting Superman is a good sign. More on this later, too.
- One thing to keep an eye on as the season progresses is that GABP is playing as a big-time hitter's park...much more so than in past years. The Reds are leading the league in runs scored, but have an OPS+ of just 100. Because of the constructs of the National League, 100 is actually better than average, but there's an inherent inflation at work in the current Cincy numbers.
Pitching:
- Team ERA of 3.40 for the period, compared against a league average of 3.88.
- Whatever was told to Edinson Volquez in Louisville needs to be bottled up and preserved for future meltdowns: 18 IP, 7 BB, 1 HR. Now the baserunning...
- I'm guilty (if you want to call it that) of not really paying attention to the national media narrative. I don't watch SportsCenter or Baseball Tonight, nor do I read much of the major websites' baseball coverage. So I don't really know: is Johnny Cueto getting his just due? This past period, Cueto allowed just two earned runs in 21 innings, and is now at a 1.68 ERA for the year. His xERA is 2.08, so most of the performance is real. I'm particularly fond of the opponent's batting average: .202.
- CoCo was supposed to be a bust by now. In response, CoCo gave up two hits in 8 innings during this past stretch.
- Vintage Arroyo: 20 innings, 6 strikeouts, 2 walks.
- Mike Leake (Mike Leake!) with a K/BB ratio of 17 to 2.
The next 18:
- 7 games at home, 11 on the road
- 5 of the 18 against divisional opponents
- 6 of the 18 against 2010 playoff teams
- 13 (!) of the 18 against American League opponents
- .534 average winning percentage (2011) for the teams in the next 18 games.
- There's the rest of June, all against the formidable AL East. Then July: in-state rivals, the two teams leading the NL Central, and the defending World Series champs. The point is that the schedule will be relatively difficult for another six weeks or so. This is fact. Also factual is that the Reds haven't pieced together a great stretch of games in which bats and arms are effectively synchronized. Conjecture 1: The offense is due for a streak of Votto + Bruce + someone else to really put things together. Conjecture 2: The team will have one stretch where the bats do their thing and have five reliable starting pitchers in rhythm. Conjecture 3: There is a trade to be made. There has been plenty of chatter linking the Reds with the Mets' Jose Reyes. This would be a massive and obvious upgrade. It would be interesting to see Drew Stubbs be allowed to hit 6th or 7th, no? My question, without a knowable answer, is what would it take to land both Reyes and Carlos Beltran? Both are in their walk years, and the Mets are supposedly having cashflow issues. What would be the trade package if the Reds absorbed the salary of both through the rest of the year? How big would the offer have to be for the Reds to turn down a potential lineup of:
Reyes
Phillips
Votto
Beltran
Bruce
Rolen
Stubbs
Hanigan
The trade, of course, is the ultimate conjecture, based on the assumption that Uncle Walt will do something. The point, for now, is that if the Reds stay within striking distance through July, there is a stretch of wins to be had. With an improved roster and a weakened schedule, the ingredients are there for one of those mythical finishing kicks. By making up ground, even just a little, over these last 18 games, the Reds are piecing together the ingredients for another memorable season. The fan in me will agonize over the inevitable ups and downs coming over the next few weeks. The analyst will keep an even keel, knowing that the best is yet to come.
Loquacity (or, Why doing everything right the first time is a good strategy):
On August 15, 1996, Andruw Jones made his major league debut with the Atlanta Braves. He had a hit and an RBI; also an error. He played out the rest of the season without much fanfare: a few home runs, a ton of strikeouts, and a rather low batting average. He really could have gotten used to Reds' pitching: three of his five major league dingers that year were against Cincinnati hurlers, despite appearing in just three games against the Reds.
Jones received a good chunk of the national spotlight in October, hitting two long balls against the Yankees in the World Series. That's generally enough to garner a little attention; what made Jones's play all the more noticeable was that he was nineteen years old.
The internet makes all these details available for research; what makes them personally relevant-slightly relevant, anyway-is that the '96 World Series took place early in my sophomore year in college. I was studying Calculus, Jones was crushing bombs. More to the point, Jones was the first player in my lifetime to play in a big-league uniform despite being born after me. The audacity. I was officially no longer a kid.
It was not until August, 1998 until the same fate intersected my life as a Reds fan. Dennys Reyes was a precocious left-hander, 21 years old and packaged with Paul Konerko from the Dodgers in the Jeff Shaw trade. I was living in relative squalor, sleeping on a friend's couch that summer, while learning the woodworking trade and playing in a local bar band. The cabinetry shop went under, the band didn't receive much attention, and Reyes barely produced more than replacement-level numbers in his time as a Redleg. Konerko would later get swapped for Mike Cameron, who begat Junior Griffey. Reyes would eventually net Gabe White. Not all paths lead to greatness, as the saying goes.
Six years ago, Andruw Jones hit 51 home runs, and appeared to be a mortal lock for the Hall of Fame. Now, of course, Jones is a backup outfielder for the Yankees; a barely used reserve on his fifth different team in five years. Reyes earned himself a DFA from the Red Sox in April. The zero-sum game continues to swallow without prejudice.
The road never changes, but our place on the road constantly does. Just entering the on-ramp now is Robert Stephenson, the Reds' first-round selection in the recent amateur draft. Stephenson, by the way, was not yet 3½ years of age when Jones debuted. The pitcher's pre-school scouting reports were a bit iffy, but the kid seems to have really put it together of late. In the midst of graduating from high school, Stephenson will first decide whether to go to college or to become part of the working class. Should he choose correctly, and assuming no injury, we will perhaps see him in 4 or 5 years. Maybe more; even as we race along the highway, extreme patience is required. When he does don the Wishbone C for the first time, some youngster will be faced with his own existential pause.
This year's draft was a bit curious for Reds fans. We are used to the team picking in the first half of the first round. Picking 27th is better because of what it represents from the prior year, but picking 27th as the team struggles to break free of the gravitational pull of the .500 mark is rather frustrating. No one speaks well of history's one hit wonders.
There's an interesting, if imperfect, parallel between the 2011 season and the 1991 season. The Reds were reigning World Champs, of course, but began the month of June with a 23-23 record. Third place in the NL West, three and a half games back of the Dodgers. Days later, the Reds would select Pokey Reese in the '91 draft's first round. Months later, the team would finish 14 games below .500.
The Reds picked 52 players in that June's draft; Reese was the only one to accumulate positive Wins Above Replacement (WAR) over his career. Poor drafting/development was not an anomaly: from 1991 through 2005, the Reds picked and picked and picked: the average career (so far) WAR for the team's first picks in each draft is currently 2.1. For the immediate five picks following these selections, the career WAR averages are: N+1: 5.5; N+2: 4.0; N+3: 6.7; N+4: 3.4; N+5: 5.4.
There are two storylines that emerge. One is that the Reds' picks were often complete wastes: four of the fifteen picks never played in the bigs, although by definition they were more valuable than the six who did play but racked up negative WAR. That leaves five who contributed: Reese, Brett Tomko (1995), Austin Kearns (1998), Jeremy Sowers (2001), and Jay Bruce (2005). Sowers chose college over the Reds, so he doesn't count. By all expectations, 2004's first round pick (Homer Bailey) should cross to the positive side of the ledger before long, but he's not there yet.
The second narrative is constructed around the good players that the Reds missed on. I'm not a big fan of the meme that's based on a great player being drafted in a later round. Yes, Mike Piazza was passed over 1,000-odd times before being chosen. That's because he wasn't that good at the time. Late bloomers happen, and add to the game's charm. But it seems reasonable to conclude that players taken immediately after a given pick were both: a) on the team's radar; and b) generally considered to be "of value" at that draft slot.
Using a WAR > 10 threshold (perhaps a level for which a player could be considered all-star worthy at least once in his career), here are the players chosen in the first five picks after the Reds first pick from 1991-2005, heretofore known as The Misses:
Paul Konerko
Alexis Rios
Austin Kearns has 15.8 career WAR to date, and stands as the only exception to Schottzie's Revenge. Now, it appears, the curse is over. Bailey, Bruce, and Stubbs were first round picks from '04-'06. They may not have been perfect picks, but sometimes a merely good pick is enough to turn the tide. Subsequent first-rounders continue to evoke optimism.
Robert Stephenson, it is to be hoped, will be one of a long string of first-round successes. It will be a decade or more before we know for sure. Even better would be a long string of first round successes noted for the improbability of picking so well despite constantly having to wait until the end of the round. There's quite a long to go for sure, this season and beyond.
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"Janish, in particular, is good for 2.0 RC/G"
That seems kind of high. Is that is runs created for the Reds?
The draft…it’s such a crapshoot. I don’t think the Reds have done that poorly. Has there ever been a serious analysis? I once looked back over relatively recent years, counting the number of first rounders and what happened to them. (Not really recent years, of course, since most of them would still be works in progress.) By my count, about 1/3 of first round picks become regular players in the big leagues. About 1/3 have brief major league careers – cups of coffee, or a few years as reserve players. The other 1/3 never play a game in the big leagues. The Reds’ 4 out of 15 strikeout percentage is not bad.
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Regarding RC/G
RC/G supposes what a team might score, were it composed of 9 Paul Janishes. 2.0 is, er, the opposite of high.
by riverfront76 on Jun 19, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
sure, but
No one expects him to be Barry Bonds. I seem to recall the average SS has a RC/
G of 3 or 4. 2 is not great, but it’s not bad for a guy known for his glove, not his bat.
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I'm not saying the team can't win with Janish
But as point of comparison, Jose Reyes’s career RC/G is 5.6 (and 8.4 this year), with average defense to go with it. That might be a 4-5 win difference over the course of a season as compared to Soft J.
by riverfront76 on Jun 19, 2011 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think anyone denies
that it would be better to have Reyes than Janish. But how realistic is it to get him? (I love Reyes, but I hope the Reds don’t get him. He’s too expensive. I think he’d be an albatross.)
More realistic would have been re-signing Orlando Cabrera. Currently with a RC/G of 2.8. Or an Alex Gonzalez type, at about 3.5.
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I'd love to have Alex Gonzalez back on this team right now.
I would also love to have Reyes but I think it is highly unlikely. We would have to give up a good amount of prospects, and he is expensive. You would probably see a bump up in attendance if that happened, but I doubt it would be enough to offset his cost.
We should be thinking about getting an ace anyway. This team is getting enough offense.
Why are you working the permit's desk, and why was that child clubbing your nuggets? ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Jun 19, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but if we still had AGon, we wouldn't have Kristopher Negron
He had a good first year and if he hadn’t had bad luck, probably would have worked out with this club.
I also think the same applies to David Ross.
by Jack Armstrong started an All Star Game on Jun 19, 2011 10:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
David Lee Ross couldn't catch outfield assists
he dropped more than a handful in the month or two before he was cut.
I liked him a lot, and would love to have him around in hindsight. But man, I was #TeamDFA when it happened.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Jun 19, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but if we still had AGon, we wouldn’t have Kristopher Negron
How is this a counterargument? This is a seriously unpersuasive rationale for losing AGon (or continuing to not want him, whatever the stance is).
I think he's joking
Negron is batting .208 in Louisville.
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I don't know. I just want one.
Felix Hernandez would be perfect. But, I don’t see that happening.
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by BigBabyBruce on Jun 19, 2011 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes!
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by BigBabyBruce on Jun 19, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Right, and this is the silliness with that argument
I’d love an ace too, but it ain’t happening, so in the absence of that possibility, why not look to upgrade in other ways?
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Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
I'd rather not spend our abundance on prospects on an offensive upgrade, when the offense doesn't need an upgrade.
I’d rather wait and see if anything can get done in the offseason.
Why are you working the permit's desk, and why was that child clubbing your nuggets? ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Jun 19, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
The Reds won't get Reyes because if/when he is officially made available, someone is going to way overpay
and that someone won’t be Walt.
But I don’t understand why he would be an albatross. It’s kind of tough for a player only signed through this season could be one. If the Reds did get him, he’d finish out the year, decline arbitration, then net the Reds 2 draft picks next year.
And I don’t think the draft is as much of a crapshoot as it used to be. There’s still a lot of risk and unknowns involved, but there are also teams that consistently produce good talent from their drafts. The Reds are becoming one of those teams.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
When WAS the last time the Reds traded for a highly sought after trade deadline target?
David Wells? I can’t see Reyes getting acquired.
by Jack Armstrong started an All Star Game on Jun 19, 2011 10:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
To be fair, Walt did go after Cliff Lee last year and almost got him
I just think someone is going to way overpay for Reyes. Actually, what I really think is that Alderson will put a ridiculous price out there for him that he ends up not being traded, and the Mets re-sign him.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
This is what I think too
if the reported asking price is true, he won’t be traded, and then he will end up a Yankee next year as a FA. Wonderful.
BUT THE CAPTAIN!?!?!?!?!??!
Calmer than you are.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Jun 20, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
The Yankees could certainly use him
But I can’t see that happening unless Jeter decides to retire (very unlikely). It would just be a gross insult, to get a stud SS like Reyes, money aside.
I think the Yanks are more likely to get a Paul Janish type – a defensive specialist, who is not a big star and therefore not a threat to Jeet.
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I know of a "Paul Janish type" the Yankees are welcome to have...
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
I'd take him!
He sucks at using the subway, but I think he’d get the hang of it eventually.
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He'd better. Lord knows he refuses to walk these days.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
by nycredsfan on Jun 20, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Bubba I know you follow the Yankees
but I gotta disagree. I think they are ready to tell Jeter it’s time to move on from SS, as there is just no way to justify leaving him there when such an enormous upgrade would be available to them. Also, the national media is parading the idea that if they want to move Jeter, they need to have someone who is a bona fide star where there can be no doubt about the upgrade and all that. And for once I agree with the pundits.
NuNez might be an upgrade right at this moment, but there’s no way the Yankees can sit Jeter to play Nunez because of the reaction. For Reyes, people would buy the move.
They just signed Jeter to a 4-year contract
worth up to $65 million. That’s an awful lot to pay a bench player.
Jeter doesn’t have the bat to move to the usual “aging player” spots (1B and LF).
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I don't think the money will factor into it at all
If they want to make him a bench guy, they’ll do it, regardless of his salary.
What matters more is his reputation and the fan reaction. If Reyes is available this offseason, I think you’ll see a huge Yankee fan uprising wanting to get him. If Cashman feels like he can do that without alienating the fanbase, I think he’ll do it.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
I thought it was 3/51
If that 4th year is an option, there is simply no way it is getting picked up, unless something DRASTIC changes, and stays changed for the next three years.
Charlie's right
It’s a player option.
The money is a bit complicated. Some of it is performance incentives.
Basically, Jeter wanted that 4th year more than money.
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if Jeter is truly un-Renterian
Yanks would have the ability to rotate Jeter and A-Rod at 3B/DH and Reyes would be their SS. Posada is as good as done, so their DH spot will be open next year.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jun 20, 2011 10:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm not sure Posada is done
He struggled at the beginning of the year (adjusting to being a full-time DH, he says), but he’s on fire now. He’s OPSing .935 for June.
Jeter is OPSing .649 so far, and OPS’d .710 last year. That doesn’t cut it for a DH in the AL East.
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Shawn Estes!
puke.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Jun 19, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
He wouldn't be an albatross as a rental
However, if they did that, they’d be looking for a SS after the season ended. I’d rather they tried to find a longer-term solution, whether that’s Janish or Cozart or signing someone else (Hardy?).
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I agree. I'd rather they just try out Cozart, that way they know if he's going to be the answer or if they need to look elsewhere
This is my biggest problem for why they haven’t called him up yet.
They have to have decided that Janish isn’t the long-term solution, and they have a guy who might be, in house. Why wouldn’t they try him now to find out? I think he’ll be a significant upgrade, but even if he isn’t, at least now you know.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
I think it all comes down to Renteria.
He should be DFA’d, but Walt isn’t going to do it. Until Renteria is gone Cozart will not get called up.
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by BigBabyBruce on Jun 19, 2011 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
albatross!
what flavor?
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by bbjones on Jun 19, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
In the last 10 games, Reds SS have put up a .200/.220/200 line
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Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
Here's my problem with the "the offense is good enough" argument
Specifically, the “the offense is good enough to carry Janish’s bat” argument.
This is a 2ish man team right now. Votto’s OPS+ is 159. Bruce’s is 136. The only other starter above 100 is Stubbs (107)
Gomes is actually at 101, but that’s almost completely based on his work against LHP, and Ramon is at 136, but he’s only a half time player.
The point is that if Votto and/or Bruce aren’t hitting, this team doesn’t score runs. That scares me. When they are hitting, the offense is potent, but I don’t want to rely on 2 players. I’d like to get as many league average bats (or close to it) as possible into the lineup, so when the big 2 have an off day, the lineup can still put up a few runs. I think Cozart would be a step in the right direction. Possibly Frazier or Alonso as well.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
I think you are higher on the Bats than the Reds are
Either they are looking at something other than stats, or they discount the value of AAA stats. Or poor Danny Dorn would have gotten a look by now.
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Nah, that's not it.
I believe Walt knows that some guys at AAA are better than guys currently on the club. I think Dusty even knows that.
And I’m not just looking at stats. I’m reading stuff almost on a daily basis claiming that Cozart, Frazier, Mesoraco, Alonso, et al are ready to be MLB contributors.
I’m not sure what the holdup is, but I suspect its probably nothing more than Dusty not wanting too many rookies and them not wanting to upset the clubhouse.
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Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
by nycredsfan on Jun 20, 2011 12:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
maybe Walt is planning on trading a couple of these guys
and is afraid that if he brings them up and they struggle they will lose some value. Just looking for excuses really because i don’t really see why to not bring at least Coz up
I don't think they're sure of that
I mean, the scouts just loved Heisey. One was quoted as saying if he got two weeks worth of starts, he’d never be out of the lineup again. He did get his two weeks last year, but he didn’t Wally Pip anyone.
Juan Francisco and Jeremy Hermida are mashing down there in AAA, but were less impressive in Cincinnati. Ditto Lewis (though he’s had an admittedly small sample size, both in AAA and MLB this year). I don’t think it’s unreasonable to take the Bats’ stats (at least thus far) with some NaCl.
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True but what's the harm?
i mean Cozart couldn’t hit much worse than what we have now and will play solid D. Same with Alonso/Frazier/Sappelt except for Alonso’s D. And another thing is that none of these guys are super young. They are all pretty old or at least average for AAA prospects so they don’t have much more to prove/learn down there. I really can’t justify not making a move
I think the harm is
disrupting the team and player development for nothing, if it doesn’t work out. Not to mention the roster implications.
Young players often struggle to adjust to the big leagues. Joey Votto didn’t, but Bruce did, Stubbs did, and our young pitchers certainly are. So it’s not surprising Janish is, and we should probably expect Cozart to as well. If they call up Cozart and let him and Janish battle it out…it might harm both of them, since neither will be getting regular at-bats. (Janish fell into his slump after his injury. He was out of the lineup for four days, and that seemed to really throw him into a funk.) If they bench Janish to let Cozart play, and he crashes and burns, then they’ll be left with Janish again…a Janish who’s been on the bench for several weeks.
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a struggling Cozart or Janish who is sitting on the bench for a couple weeks
will net us the same or slighltly less production offensively with better defense than what our current situation has. While the upside is an above average offensive and defensive SS.
maybe
But I think Janish is coming out of it. And Cozart may be cooling off. (He hasn’t hit so well over the last week, though he did hit a double tonight.)
I can understand the Reds wanting to wait a bit, to see if Janish can bounce back, and to see if Cozart has really figured it out, or was just on a hot streak.
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Janish is coming out of it?
I’ll be as generous as I can with my selective endpointing.
In his last 11 games, he’s hitting .270/.289/.351
But
In his last 18 games, he’s hitting .262/.286/.311
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
I'd take that
It’s May that killed him:
.141 / .173 / .169
In particular, the dozen or so games after he was out with a sprained ankle.
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You'd take a .640 OPS with a sub .300 OBP?
I guess there’s no point discussing it anymore. I’d like my SS to hit more than that.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
by nycredsfan on Jun 20, 2011 8:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'd like him to get his OBP up, and I think he will
But teh Fay has said for awhile that the Reds would be happy if Janish hit .260, with his defense.
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Still though
You can’t keep these guys who are clearly ready for a next step up in AAA just because Edgar probably plays pretty good pranks on the bus. If every team adopted that approach, AAA would be a tougher league than the big leagues in a couple of years.
And just to play devil’s advocate here, why does everyone keep assuming that Cozart is going to completely kill the clubhouse if they bring him up? He’s always been described as a high-character guy, and with all of the home grown talent on the team, he played with probably half of our current team on his way up (if not more than that). There’s nothing there signaling to me that he’d disrupt anything. And while Janish certainly seems well liked on the team, are we right to assume that everyone loves Edgar and would revolt to see him gone? He’s only been there for a few months, can we quit acting like he’s entrenched in the hearts and minds of everyone affiliated with the team? I’m not saying I know one way or the other how it’d affect the team, because I don’t know, but the dude is hitting .220 and has Keppinger range. I’d like to see something happen if only to light a fire under the asses of everyone else who isn’t performing (Janish, everyone who plays LF, etc.) to see someone actually being held accountable for not producing on this team. It’d be even more of an impact to see Dusty having to part with one of his ‘boys’ in Edgar. At some point, standing pat with what we have and not looking to improve gets us nowhere as teams like the Cubs and the Brewers pass us by as we’re waiting for the likes of Fred Lewis and Edgar Renteria to magically become productive major leaguers.
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by BK on Jun 20, 2011 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not making the argument that Cozart will kill the clubhouse
I’m talking more about the disruption caused by switching people in and out, not about their personalities. The lack of regular playing time for one or both of the players, having to get used to playing with a different person to your left or right, leaving the players affected uncertain about their roles, etc. And the roster issues.
It’s easy to blame Dusty for keeping Renteria, but I would guess Jocketty and the rest of the Reds’ brain trust want to keep him, too. I don’t think they trust either Janish or Cozart without the net of a veteran backup. Renteria’s numbers are pretty bad right now, but the Reds probably don’t see that as a reflection of his true ability. Even with age-related decline, he probably won’t OPS .569 all season.
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I'd take the bet that he ends the year sub .600
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by nycredsfan on Jun 20, 2011 9:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
ill take that bet!
Caveat is edgard must have minimum 100 more PA before end of season.
Case of Yuengling. (To be paid by end of nlcs)
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by Ewok on Jun 20, 2011 12:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
hesistation seems simple and obvious to me
you can’t go back from some of these moves. You DFA Renteria and you lose him. Same for Gomes and Lewis as well. So if you do promote a guy, you need to be pretty sure.
Yeah
If the team were not contending, I suspect they’d be more willing to call up the youngsters.
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This probably is the biggest issue
but a struggling Cozart > Renteria because of the stronger d and probably what would result in similar offense so they’ve had success before with little offensive production from SS so they can probably continue. LF on the other hand has a ton of possibilities with people who have options left. If Frazier struggles bring up Sappelt or vice versa. If Alonso struggles go with Hermida. if no one has any success Let Heisey start everyday and let Hermida be the left handed bench bat or make a trade for vet
Sappelt is on fire
Leading the team in batting average, second only to Fred Lewis in OPS, behind only Hermida and Lewis in OBP. 2 for 4 tonight.
But he’s not on the 40-man roster. I think Hermida probably has the edge on him for that reason.
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Forgot about that
but i think they could make room. I think putting Valiquette on the 60 day DL or taking a chance with Reineke on waivers has been discussed on here as a solution to that problem
if they DFA'd Hermida once this season
I don’t think they’ll mind DFA’ing him again
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by Cy Schourek on Jun 20, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
but
he’s the best hitter on the team not named Mesoraco or Sappelt.
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"You DFA Renteria and you lose him"
Yeah, that would really suck.
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It would!
We couldn’t use him for the World Series!
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Well, that's kind of an arbitrary cutoff
since all of the non-Janish starters are at an OPS+ of at least 93.
But you’re right. The offensive problems are in LF, 3B, 2B, and SS. Clearly, the offense (which you say sucks at every position but two) can’t carry a defensive specialist at one of those positions.
Still not a candidate.
I didn't say it sucks
I just said that 2 guys are hitting so remarkably well that it’s making the offense as a whole look better than it really is. When those guys slump a bit (as is happening now) the team struggles to score runs.
Pretending the whole offense is fine just because you have 2 superstars is folly.
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by nycredsfan on Jun 19, 2011 11:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
how is phillips doing during this stretch?
he seems to be in a tailspin, may not even hit double digit hrs at the end of the year
211/250/263
In the last month, his OPS has dropped 140 points.
It’s just who he is. He’s extreme streaky within the season, but his overall numbers will look pretty much like last year’s. He’ll reach double digit HRs, because he’ll hit 5 over a two-week stretch at some point.
by riverfront76 on Jun 20, 2011 7:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Saw this and thought of crolfer

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by jch24 on Jun 19, 2011 11:21 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Who would ever hurt a cute little Salticid? They actually make pretty great pets. I might raise one. Or five.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
i don't like to use books
mostly because i don’t have many that i don’t care about it. if i’m at work, i like to drop an empty pallet on the little, or not so little, bastards.
No reason to kill a Salticid though. I mean look at them... so cute.
You know how little kids are completely mystified by nature and especially bugs?
I just never grew out of that stage.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
In Japan
there’s a long tradition of children keeping bugs as pets. They sell little cages for them and everything. There are bug pet stores. They even sell bugs in vending machines.
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I'm the same way with boobs
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by jch24 on Jun 20, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
6 of those games were in pitchers parks
AT&T and Dodger stadium both deflate offense. That could be part of the explanation for our low offensive output and relative quality pitching.
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It's no doubt a factor
As are several other things: pitcher’s faced, jet lag, etc.
On the other hand, the Reds also played 11 games at GABP. The hitting just hasn’t been very good lately. The nice thing is that when the hitting isn’t very good, it’s still roughly league average.
by riverfront76 on Jun 20, 2011 7:15 AM EDT up reply actions

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