Farmers Only: Where Klinkermania outshined Chapmania last night
by BK on Jun 16, 2011 8:01 AM EDT
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Print- Louisville was off. They'll take on Toledo at 7:05, starting pitcher is TBA.
- Carolina won 7-0 against Jackson. Aroldis Chapman pitched an inning to start this game on rehab, and only walked one of the 4 hitters he faced, striking out 2 in the process. It did take him 28 pitches in the process, and only 18 were strikes, but this looks like a step in the right direction. Not to be outdone, Matt Klinker got the "relief start" and pitched 6 shutout innings, only giving up 3 hits. He did walk 3, but it's definitely a solid start that hopefully he can build on. James Adkins and Donnie Joseph pitched perfect innings in relief to nail down the shutout. On offense, Felix Perez and Denis Phipps had multi-hit games, while Quintin Berry, Neftali Soto, and Eric Campbell all went deep for the Mudcats. Up next: Pedro Villarreal takes on Jackson at 8:05.
- Bakersfield lost to San Jose 4-1 on a rare offensive sputter. Ryan LaMarre had 2 of the Blaze's 6 hits, and Mark Serrano actually had a pretty good start, giving up 3 runs in 7 innings of work. Up next: The Blaze start a new series against Visalia at 10, starter has not been announced.
- Dayton lost a 1-0 pitchers duel to Fort Wayne. Daniel Corcino pitched brilliantly, pitching 6 shutout innings with 5 strikeouts and no walks. Ezequiel Infante was able to make it through a scoreless 7th before Chad (sharkbite guy) Rogers gave up the game's only run in the 8th. Donald Lutz and Devin Lohman were both 2-for-4, and in a turn of events that should surprise no one, Billy Hamilton was 0-for-3 with his 53rd stolen base of the year. Up next: Daniel Tuttle gets the ball against Fort Wayne at 7:05.
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Thought this was pretty interesting..
http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/teamrankings#table
Reds 15th…Bengals dead last at 122
this should be a fanshot...
"I slyde my boehner into sexsalad...."
Sounds like a johnu1 production. --jch24
how are the Spurs #1 in Player "Effort on the field and likability off it"
Tony Parker isn’t really that likeable. Tim Duncan is Tim Duncan. Manu is fine. But #1 in all of sports, when there are people like Drew Brees and Brandon Phillips out there? Cmonnnn
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
I do love me some David Robinson
so good point
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
Deep Six!
No problem, fuckweasel! - jch24
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jun 16, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
After I read the article about the atrocities of Dan Snider
I figured the Bengals could at least do second-last in front of the Redskins.
"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jun 16, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Well I think Snyder wants to win and he at least spends money (even if he does both poorly)
I don’t know if you can say the same about Mike Brown
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
why is nobody talking about the Reds being he 4th ranked MLB team?
not that it means ANYTHING, but it’s still pretty cool, right?
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I'm really getting excited about Daniel Corcino
81 Ks and only 14 BBs in 67.2 IP so far. AND he gets a lot of grounders with his fastball.
I hope he keeps it up, because this system desperately needs a good starting pitching prospect.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
Kind of. Not really.
Josh Smith is the only other guy throwing well, but he’s a late round draft pick who is about 2 years too old for his league. If he can keep doing this up to AA this year I’ll be a believer.
All of the starting pitching upside is in rookie ball right now, save Corcino and Lotzkar. I don’t trust Lotzkar to stay healthy.
Corcino is the only guy with sustained success above rookie ball, and a good scouting report to match it.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
Pedro Villarreal?
I see that he has been moved upto AA, but is somewhat in that class, no?
by Eastwindquinn on Jun 16, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
No.
He was very meh last year in Dayton/Lynchburg.
He’s already 23, so doing well in A+ or AA isn’t all that impressive, and he’s not really doing that well. His K numbers are only OK, and he seems really hittable.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
Really is a shame about Kyle
Seems like he’s been in suspended animation since ‘08, due to injury. Though his 2010, when he did pitch, was encouraging. And he isn’t even 22 until October.
"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jun 16, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Josh Smith has been a pleasant surprise at Dayton...
In 13 starts he’s only given up 13 ER. 91 Ks, 14 BBs in 73.2 IP—definitely someone to keep an eye on moving forward.
He was a 21st rd pick last year so I doubt anyone expected this out of him, but not a bad start to a minor league career between Billings and Dayton.
"I slyde my boehner into sexsalad...."
Sounds like a johnu1 production. --jch24
Corcino is impressive.
Very strong prospect. If not for two poor starts to open the season, his numbers would be ridiculous. He’s been dominant.
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Jun 16, 2011 10:22 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I temper my expectations with anyone in A-ball.
Try not to pay too much attention to guys till they’re at AA or something, because so much can change between 18-22.
I really want to talk about this and don't know where to do so.
Reds’ pitching has been super lucky lately, not so good.
Discuss. http://t.co/j36mnpP
I'm ok with it being lucky
Better that than unlucky
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
They'd been somewhat unlucky previously
at least on fly balls leaving the yard. So this could be the luck “evening out,” in some sense.
Could also be the defense improving, with Rolen getting healthier and Gomes playing less. It’s also only a period of 7 days. And Travis Wood was EXTREMELY lucky, relative to DIP, to only give up one run yesterday.
"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jun 16, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Probably almost solely explained by playing 4 games in San Francisco
against that offense in that park.
"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jun 16, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, it's a little silly to talk about luck over such a short period of time
Most single pitching performances could be considered either “lucky” or “unlucky”, just because of the small sample.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
yeah, it's 7 games
no need to get analytical about it. It is what it is.
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I used to make a habit of comparing sexual performances to pitching performances
I’m sure this is very shocking to everyone.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I'm sure both included lots of small samples and being incredibly "unlucky"
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
by nycredsfan on Jun 16, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
because jch has a small penis
and is bad at sexual intercourse, right?
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No, because he only lasted "1 inning" and his balls never found any holes.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
yeah, and I'm pretty sure stealing home is a felony
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
by UncleWeez on Jun 16, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I don't know if I agree, but I don't disagree enough to argue.
I am just arguing that the narrative that “Reds pitching has turned a corner” needs to be taken with a grain of salt due to the opposition faced.
sure
but you’re trying to label it as luck/unluck. And we’re saying that it’s too small of a sample to even tell that much.
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Obviously, the Giants have one of the worst offenses of the last decade
and play in a great pitcher’s park. The Dodgers offense is also rather weak, and they play in a pitcher’s park. Our starters have looked pretty good, but I said back during the Giants series that my expectations are still tempered, exactly because of these reasons.
Too many walks, and a bit low on the Ks, but the home runs don’t seem like they were the result of a great deal of luck in the past two series. Outfielders had to go back on very few balls, IIRC.
Weiner is actually a pussy
i hate politicans who resign rather than fighting till the bitter end.
I don't argue I correct.
What good would that do?
He screwed himself over by tweeting the pics
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
i am a fan of come hell or high water people
I don't argue I correct.
by Yossarian22 on Jun 16, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Well he probably would've done more damage to the Democrats if he stayed and fought
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
i'd respect politicians a lot more if they just owned up right off the bat then acted like it never happened.
“yeah, i tweeted by dick to some chicks… banged a couple of them too. shit works, guys… anyway, i’d love to chat but i gotta go do my job.”
"I slyde my boehner into sexsalad...."
Sounds like a johnu1 production. --jch24
I'm pretty sure it doesn't work
as that chick on the Daily Show said, “Guy, we don’t actually want to see pictures of your penis.”
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oh it works...
ask @Yossarian22sMom
"I slyde my boehner into sexsalad...."
Sounds like a johnu1 production. --jch24
you were that guy who was leaving when i woke up this morning?
I don't argue I correct.
by Yossarian22 on Jun 16, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
i knew you lived with your mom...
"I slyde my boehner into sexsalad...."
Sounds like a johnu1 production. --jch24
for the rest of the month
I don't argue I correct.
by Yossarian22 on Jun 16, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
This lady on Craigslist says otherwise.
I don't argue I correct.
by Yossarian22 on Jun 16, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, but that's not twitter
Completely different medium
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
what about Redreporter?
will that work for me?
I don't argue I correct.
by Yossarian22 on Jun 16, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure, post away
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
I've posted this before but didn't get much response
But the phillies are in desperate need of some right handed OF pop and are stacked with top of the line starters. Doubtful they would make him available but some are doubting Hamels future there. What would it take to get pry him away from the Phils? Gomes, Frazier, Wood/Leake, and Heisey?
by vottomatic on Jun 16, 2011 11:36 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
why would they need wood/leake?
And I don’t think they want Heisey or Gomes
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
It sounds like the Phillies want a proven, established veteran, and aren't concerned about salary.
The Reds don’t have any guys like that. They aren’t going to be interested in prospects or unproven guys.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
How DARE you insinuate that Gomes or Lewis arn't proven established veterans!?!?! DID YOU SEE THAT CATCH!?
Rabble rabble rabble rabble!!!!
Gomes and Lewis have prooven track records!
I don't argue I correct.
by Yossarian22 on Jun 16, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
SHHHH!
if we don’t tell them that they won’t know it.
I don't argue I correct.
by Yossarian22 on Jun 16, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm sure they would rather have more proven guys
But there aren’t too many guys like that available. And if they don’t like anyone out there Frazier and Heisey may be appealing. They may be propects but are MLB ready and play solid d while providing the pop they want
by vottomatic on Jun 16, 2011 11:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, but it's not like Philly has to make a move
They’re the best team in the NL…they can afford to wait for their players to develop inhouse
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
Right, and even if they did want either or both of those guys
They wouldn’t be anywhere near enough to get Hamels.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
Actually, they might. Forgot Hamels is only signed through this year.
Still, I’m sure a more attractive player or package will be made available.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
It'd probably take Mesoraco or Grandal
Chooch won’t be around for THAT much longer
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
I see the Giants as a more likely trade partner.
The Phillies don’t need offensive help nearly as much; like you said, they’re the best team in the NL and they already have some good bats. The Giants are absolutely desperate for more hitting, and their rotation is also ridiculously good. Cain seems to be the most likely target if we’re trading with them, or Bumgarner if they make him available.
"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428
I'm not sure what the contract situations are
but I have a hard time believing they’d make Cain or Bumgarner available
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
They lead a pretty weak division
And play in a spacious ballpark. Sure, they miss Buster Posey…but I’m not sure they’re all that desperate for hitting. And I can’t imagine them giving up some of their pitching for a minimal offensive upgrade.
I think if they do give up some pitching they’re going to want a proven hitter…not prospects. And they have Brandon Belt possibly coming back. He’s a LF hitter and has some good pop in his bat
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
This, and the fact that 2 contending teams are almost never trade partners.
If the Giants trade for a hitter, it’ll be one from a losing team.
Same with the Phillies.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
do people really doubt Hamels' future there?
"I slyde my boehner into sexsalad...."
Sounds like a johnu1 production. --jch24
4 aces is a little much, and he's the worst (which is a word that I feel weird using about someone like Hamels) of the 4.
Just about all teams go with a 3-man rotation in the playoffs anyways. The extra rest will be nice for them, but it is possible that he could be cut out of the rotation come playoff time.
The only way 4 aces work well as far as the postseason goes is injury insurance, or at least that’s my opinion. That doesn’t mean Hamels will be traded and it’s wishful thinking to say he might end up a Red, but I wouldn’t be overly surprised if they allowed him to walk after this year and use that money to go after some hitting.
"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428
Pitchers also get hurt frequantly
what Lee added was depth against injury.
I don't argue I correct.
by Yossarian22 on Jun 16, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
If I were the Philly I wouldn't be a big hurry to trade with a contending NL team
They probably don’t want to face Hamels in the playoffs.
I don't argue I correct.
by Yossarian22 on Jun 16, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, makes no sense to trade him now
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
Like I said, I highly doubt they'd trade him.
And I understand the depth against injury, but at some point they might want to let Hamels walk (his contract will be up first out of them if I’m not mistaken) and build a better in lieu of keeping 4 aces when they’ll only use 3 in the postseason.
It’s a problem I really wish the Reds could have, but their situation is kind of tricky. Would they really rather have Halladay-Lee-Oswalt-Hamels, or Halladay-Lee-Oswalt-back to Halladay? I’d take the latter, and I think just about anyone would.
The other thing is, Hamels might not want to be back. It would be tough to be an ace and not even get to pitch in the postseason. Don’t expect him to play for the Reds because he almost surely won’t be traded and the Reds don’t usually outbid people for stars in FA, but don’t be surprised if he leaves in FA sometime soon.
"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428
The Reds have a similar problem!
Arroyo, Bailey, Cueto, Leake, Volquez, and Wood for 5 spots!
I don't argue I correct.
he's better than Oswalt and is arguably better than Lee
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Yep.
He’s got the second highest bWAR this year, behind his buddy Halladay.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
And I hate him for it
"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jun 16, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Better than Oswalt with ease, though it's still too early to give him the edge over Lee.
That said, I certainly wouldn’t be surprised if Hamels was a better pitcher than Lee for the next five years. And lordy does Hamels destroy the Reds. I’d rather face Halladay than him.
The marginal value of the 4th ace is definitely lower, but this what Philly wanted in 2011
They chose not to make a serious effort to retain Werth, and instead went after Lee. I don’t think they’re ready to abandon their plan yet – the bats are starting to come around.
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8 Pioneer League baseball games, 8 ballparks, 8 days
A motorcycle tour last summer through the stadiums of the Pioneer League took me and my dad through some of the most beautiful parts of Montana, Idaho, Wyoming and Utah, with some of the parks offering spectacular mountain range views. Catching games in all eight places makes a great theme for a summer road trip through the region, where nearby attractions include Yellowstone and the Grand Tetons.
That sounds like a cool trip. Except I’d probably pass on the motorcycle part.
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Sounds really great
FanShot?
"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jun 16, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
The world is full of bastards,
the number increasing rapidly the further one gets from Missoula, Montana.
Um, wow.
I was sort of wondering why no one was talking about Brian Barton as a possibility to come up and help in LF. After a quick search, I found my answer. He’s batting .128/.208/.255. Maybe he should stick to rocket science.
"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428
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