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Has Joey Votto changed his approach this year?

Votto swings!  He's been doing that less this year than in the past, but is still massively productive.

A look at Joey's batting line this year indicates that he's having a terrific year, posting a .423 wOBA and a 165 wRC+.  That's phenomenal production, and the point of this piece is not to complain.

But what is interesting is how he's done it: last year, he hit .324/.424/.600.  This year, he's hit .330/.463/.515.  His ISO is down from .276 last year (and .245 in 2009) to .186 this year.  His walk rate is up (20% vs. 14% last year), and his strikeout rate is down (18% vs. 23% last year).  His HR/FB ratio is 12.5% this year, down from 25% last year and 19% career.  

I see three possible explanations for this.  

1. Pitchers just aren't giving him anything to hit, so he's walking and isn't able to use his power as much as he has in previous years.  

2. Votto has changed his hitting approach, being more selective, and trading power for getting on base.

3. It's just a random fluctuation and is not the result of a specific cause, per se.

Star-divide

I think all three could well be true.  Here's a quick look at each:

1. Pitchers just aren't giving him anything to hit.

While there are open questions as to its accuracy, FanGraphs' Zone% statistic shows no difference between last year and this year in the # of pitches Votto has seen in the strike zone (42% both years). 

He has been seeing more change-ups (15% vs. 10% last year), and fewer sliders (13.5% vs. 16% last year) and curve balls (8% vs. 10% last year).  That could be a function of the # of LHP's vs. RHP's he's faced, however.  This year, 78% of his PA's have been against righties, while last year it was 64% (which seems like a huge difference to me--have we lost some lefties from the division or something?).  Pitchers use change-ups more commonly against opposite-handed hitters, so that makes sense.  So, perhaps pitcher's aren't pitching him differently, per se, but the fact that he's seen more righties means he's encountered different pitching than last year thus far.

2. Votto has changed his approach

Votto is showing indications that he's become more patient, and making better contact.  He's only swinging at 25% of balls out of the zone this year compared to 30% last year, and what's more is only swinging at 67% of balls in the zone compared to 73% last year.  When he does swing, he's making better contact, with a 2% improvement in contact out of the zone, and a 3% improvement in contact in the strike zone (3% improvement overall).  What the data don't tell us is why he's making better contact: is he just being more selective, or is he trading power for contact by not swinging as hard?

Other thing: last week, I remember hearing some announcer say that Votto was a little bit banged up.  I haven't heard anything else about it.  But there is always the possibility of a hidden injury that is affecting his power production as well.

3. It's just a random fluctuation

The effects on his batting line could still be a random fluctuation.  Votto has just shy of 250 PA's right now in 2011.  Based on work from Pizza Cutter, we can expect things like his swing rate, contact rate, strikeout and walk rates, and ground ball rates to stabilize (by which I mean about 50% signal or better, as opposed to a majority of noise) by 250 PA's.  But more general measures of batting performance, like OBP, SLG, and ISO do not provide the same level of stability until you get into the 500-550 PA range.  So while I think some of the approach changes in #2 may be (at least in part) real, the ultimate effect it will have on his power, in particular, may not yet be apparent.  

 

So, the answer may well be all of the above, though there was less support for #1 than I expected to see.  Regardless of what's behind it, Votto is continuing to post phenomenal numbers as the cornerstone of the Reds' offense.  While I would certainly love to start seeing more home run power from him, it's impossible to get upset when a guy is OBPing .463.  The Reds are lucky to have him.

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Very good article.

I would say that is has to be a combination of the three. Pitchers are pitching Joey differently, so he has changed his approach, and once the sample size gets a bigger I would expect to see his ISO rise.

Once it starts to heat up this summer, I expect to start seeing the ball fly off of Votto’s bat even more. But, again you can’t complain about this production.

What is really scary is if Bruce keeps up this tear all summer long. His LD% is off the charts, after a terrible showing in April.

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by BigBabyBruce on May 31, 2011 2:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah

The idea of Bruce and Votto hot streakin’ at the same time is enough to get me kind of giddy.
-j

by JinAZ on May 31, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is it?

Fangraphs say his LD% is 10.8% right now, which is under his career norm

Fuck it, we'll do it live.

by DTFH91 on May 31, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

His LD% in April was something like 6%.

That definitely brought down his LD%. Check out the May numbers. I thought I read somewhere that they were close to 20%. I’d look it up, but I find where you look at statistics month by month.

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by BigBabyBruce on May 31, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've pretty much come to the conclusion...

That LD% is not a useful stat. There is far too much inconsistency in whether a pitch is scored a fly ball or a line drive (or even a “fliner.”

If you look at Bruce’s FB%, it’s up almost as much as his LD% is down. It might be that he’s lofting the ball more this year. But I think it’s easily just as likely that more of his “fliners” are being grouped into fly balls this year instead of line drives.

Overall, his LD+FB rate is 62% this year, and it was 64% last year. I don’t think that’s a meaningful change.
-j

by JinAZ on May 31, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah you could be right.

Since a LD is decided by a scorer then who knows the real distinction sometime.

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by BigBabyBruce on May 31, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least in the minors,

if a ball falls for a hit it’s typically called a line drive, but if it’s caught it is typically called a fly ball.

I agree that reading too much into the rates is kind of useless.

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by nycredsfan on May 31, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it's really easy to be influenced by the outcome of the play

I think that’s what drove a lot of the LD vs BABIP correlations we used to see people (myself included) focus on. That’s just scorer bias.
-j

by JinAZ on May 31, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've really come around on it over the past year.

I didn’t find Colin’s parallax article to be particularly convincing, and it started this. But more data has come since then. And then actually trying to score games with LD/FB distinctions really cemented it.
-j

by JinAZ on May 31, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I sit right next to the Gameday stringer

and there have been a couple of times when I’ve seen him call something a “flyball” when it looked like a definite line drive to me, and vice versa. That guy needs to get his eyes checked!

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by Slyde on May 31, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've taken to just marking anything in the air as a fly ball

…and that’s in my completely-irrelevant-wife-makes-fun-of-me-for-doing-it scorekeeping using iScore. Sometimes I even have a hard time deciding between ground balls and line drives, though. Is a ball that is on a line but hits the outer edge of the infield dirt a line drive or a ground ball? And if a fielder catches it before it lands, does that matter?

At least when done professionally, GB% seems fairly reliable based on the data. I’m not sure that I trust myself with it, though!
-j

by JinAZ on May 31, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is there a possibility that this gets solved by the fielding f/x cameras?

Will they somehow know the vectors of balls hit in the air?

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on May 31, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is there a possibility that this gets solved by the fielding f/x cameras?

Will they somehow know the vectors of balls hit in the air?

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on May 31, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hit f/x I guess I mean

I should really read one a few inches down the page.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on May 31, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, hitf/x

Hitf/x is already active, I think (just without data released to public), and gives us trajectory, speed off bat, etc. Fieldf/x will give us where the ball actually goes, as well as where fielders are at the beginning and end of the play (and maybe also their routes to the ball).

by JinAZ on May 31, 2011 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll defer to you

That makes sense.

There’s a certain trajectory for a ball to be considered a liner, right?

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by DTFH91 on May 31, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's all eyeballed

three people per game score it (for BIS) and then majority rules. There is a definite bias that has been shown that the outcome of the batted ball has an effect on how it is labeled.

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by Slyde on May 31, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotcha

Thanks to you and JinAZ

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by DTFH91 on May 31, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

stats aren't impartial???

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by obc2 on May 31, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jerk-ass.

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by Pops Daniels on May 31, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sort of.

It’s all done via the eyeball, and the best descriptions I’ve seen from Baseball Info Solutions (who tracks it for FG) is that “you know one when you see one.” And when it’s hard to tell, they stick it in “fliners” (which I think FG just lumps with fly balls).

We’ll be much better off if/when we get hitf/x to actually measure trajectories and speed off bat. But I know if the public is going to get access to those data. Hope so.
-j

by JinAZ on May 31, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I also thought about the weather

Through 54 games last year (june 9), Votto was hitting 308/405/542; afterwards, he hit 332/436/633. I expect his current 330/463/515 slash line to become more slugging heavy as the weather heats up.

by ken on May 31, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm getting a little excited about the summer weather and what that can mean for this offense.

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by BigBabyBruce on May 31, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Our offense is better than their offense.

So we win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

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by BigBabyBruce on May 31, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anecdotal

but I’ve seen 4 or 5 balls in Cincinnati hit by Votto that may have been out in warmer weather. Turn 2 doubles and 2 flyouts into home runs and suddenly he’s slugging .567 right now.

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by Slyde on May 31, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Pujols is still starting the ASB

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on May 31, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

ASB?

All Star… Boy? Or maybe “Bitch,” as in WLB

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by sexsalad on May 31, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Albert sucks, bro

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on May 31, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

And yeah, it's weird that they re-named it

the All Star Bonanza.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on May 31, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looks like it
Several other Reds are contenders for All-Star berths. First baseman Joey Votto, with 806,346 votes, trails Albert Pujols — the NL’s top overall vote-getter — by more than 182,000 votes.

BP is leading at 2B. Votto needs to get on the twitter.

by ken on May 31, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

RR is broken.

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by sexsalad on May 31, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's broke as shit if it's adding words

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by jch24 on May 31, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's his spray chart for the year


At least one out was made that would have been a homer at GABP. Also lots of balls close to the wall. I definitely can see how cold weather or other factors could be enough to move a ball 5 feet one way or another.

What I don’t know is the extent to which Votto’s chart is any different from other hitters’ charts…
-j

by JinAZ on May 31, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

sure, not claiming that he's any different

rather just pointing out that it could just be a fluke and that if those balls had traveled a little better, we may not notice the difference. That’s all.

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by Slyde on May 31, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, completely agree with you

And that’s consistent with what I was saying above. I think the change his his walk, strikeout, and contact rates may be a real change (or, at least, some part of it is real).

I don’t know if the apparent effect on power that might be inferred from his current hitting line is real, and it very well might not be. And as you point out, the numbers could easily be different under very slightly different conditions.
-j

by JinAZ on May 31, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Could the lack of protection/production behind him have something to do with it?

Other than the brief time Phillips was at cleanup, production out of the 4 hole has been below average. I believe Gomes, Rolen, and Cairo have all taken cleanup duties, and they aren’t really striking fear int opposing pitchers hearts. I would really love to see Bruce move up to the 4 hole. Neither Votto or Bruce have a tough time hitting lefties, so I don’t see why Dusty seems so reticent to try it.

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.

by -ManBearPig on May 31, 2011 2:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Sad part of this is that, why couldn't this improvement ...

… come from a less-talented player?
Watching our top hitter amble down to first base on a walk is frustrating. I mean, I will take it, but I would rather he get a double.

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by johnu1 on May 31, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know

Most work on lineup protection has shown little if any effect. This is some of the best:
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/pitching-around-batters
…and they found that while unprotected hitters do walk more (and strike out a tad more), they don’t show any drop in production when they do strike the ball (.395 wOBA for unprotected, .391 wOBA for protected).

And it’s not like there’s been a measureable increase in the number of pitches thrown to Joey that are outside of the zone (see point #1 above).

So…I’m just not sure how much of an effect it really has.
-j

by JinAZ on May 31, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

So protection isn't that important?

I’ve been lied to all these years!

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by nycredsfan on May 31, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Catholic'd

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by nycredsfan on May 31, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jason Giambi seems to think so

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on May 31, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't listen to them, it's damned important

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by jch24 on May 31, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

It may not be long before we see Bruce move up to #4.

But, even then I’d think that Rolen would be seeing much better pitches to hit in front of Bruce.

I mean typically Phillips or Votto are getting on ahead of Rolen. You know they have to pitch to him, because you have the red hot Jay Bruce behind him. Maybe he is still hurt. I thought he was hitting much better at #6 anyway.

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by BigBabyBruce on May 31, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not so excited about moving Bruce up.

I know Bruce’s vLHB numbers are good this year, but in the past they haven’t been, and those numbers are pretty volatile in the sample sizes we typically get. Unless it’s really killing us, I’d prefer to keep the gap between the two LHB’s so opposing managers can’t LOOGY (or would it be LTOGY?) them in late innings.

Now, if you put Bruce at #4 and Votto at #2, on the other hand, I’d be thrilled. :)
-j

by JinAZ on May 31, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know, I'm repeating myself...

But Clutch Man Monie needs to be batting cleanup, not Bruce.

We get to be all knifie-spoonie that way, too!

Has something happened to Phillips? Seems like his averaged dropped 30 points in the last week and a half.

by MatthewH on May 31, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brandon Phillips=Crazy Streaky Hitter

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by nycredsfan on May 31, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

BP is who we thought he is

Phillips during March/April/May in his career as a Red: .289/.345/.480
Phillips during the rest of the year in his career as a Red: .270/.319/.427

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by Slyde on May 31, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Problem with that...

is that on Hernandez’s off days, Hanigan would be hitting 4th. :)

by JinAZ on May 31, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Zing.

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by BigBabyBruce on May 31, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

It IS physically possible to change the lineup depending on who's playing.

If your regular CF is the first batter, and he gets a day off, that doesn’t mean that the backup center fielder has to bat first. Or whoever ends up batting first has to play center field.

I know, you don’t believe me, but it CAN happen!

by MatthewH on May 31, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmmm

Yeah, I’mma go with Justin on this one. It’s just…well, not crazy, but…just nonsensical.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 1, 2011 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought about bringing up the idea of Votto #2 and Bruce at #4.

But, I didn’t want to upset the baseball traditionalists.

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by BigBabyBruce on May 31, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

there's definitely no protection in your world

fertile’d

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by obc2 on May 31, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

#UseTheSchwartz!

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by obc2 on May 31, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Clever and well played

One rec for you, go get yourself something nice!

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by jch24 on May 31, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great post.

I think that pitchers are approaching Votto differently – maybe just in a way that doesn’t show up in the overall averages? I’ve been looking over some of the situational splits that are available, but haven’t really come to any conclusions. At what point might we see some pitchFx data?

by andromache on May 31, 2011 2:59 PM EDT reply actions  

I took a cursory look at pitchf/x

…but nothing jumped out at me.

Thinking more about it, though….I think last year, at least, the way to get Votto out was to (somehow, if you’re lucky) get him to two strikes, and then throw him a down-and-away breaking ball. I haven’t seen that work as well this year. That’s all anecdotal, but could be the place to look…
-j

by JinAZ on May 31, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does pitch f/x track

variances in speed as well as location? I’m genuinely ignorant to the process.

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by Pops Daniels on May 31, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

It gives you...

Start and end speed, and vertical & horizontal movement for each pitch thrown. So yeah, you can get variance in speed from it.

Good place to go is texasleaguers.com. Just look around in their database. No skillz required. :)
-j

by JinAZ on May 31, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since it's apropos...Tonight's lineup. Notice anything?

Stubbs 8
Phillips 4
Votto 3
Bruce 9
Rolen 5
Gomes 7
Renteria 6
Hernandez 2
Reineke 1

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by nycredsfan on May 31, 2011 3:14 PM EDT reply actions  

But he's on a hot streak!

Don’t you know that 3 games is now considered a large sample size?

Fuck it, we'll do it live.

by DTFH91 on May 31, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

But he's on a hot streak!

Don’t you know that 3 games is now considered a large sample size?

Fuck it, we'll do it live.

by DTFH91 on May 31, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I lol'd

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by jch24 on May 31, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gomes is 3 for 9 with a two 2B and a HR off of Greinke

I can almost guarantee you that’s why he’s starting.

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by Slyde on May 31, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

well

two doubles and a home run in 9 AB isnt exactly getting credit for three seeing eye singles.

i’d say that Mr Gomes might be able to locate the ball out of Greinke’s hand decently.

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by obc2 on May 31, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or maybe he'll just get lucky.

I feel like whenever Gomes gets a hit it is just dumb luck.

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by BigBabyBruce on May 31, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

i definitely feel that way during his extended cold streaks

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by obc2 on May 31, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

No such thing, shut up

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by jch24 on May 31, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

you missed Fast Five this weekend

who knew there was a cinema off the IN 275 exit? it was HOPPING on a Sat night, to boot.

the theatre we saw it in was the smallest ive ever seen. and the dude in front of us wore a wifebeater and utilized a dip can spit bottle!

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by obc2 on May 31, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really? Where?

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by jch24 on May 31, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

L'Burg

that’s the only IN exit, isnt it?

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by obc2 on May 31, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hell I have no idea

I try to avoid that part of 275.

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by jch24 on May 31, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

isnt that where one of the mods used to live?

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by obc2 on May 31, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, BK

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by jch24 on May 31, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

Which theater did you go to? Believe it or not, there’s two theaters there

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by BK on May 31, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Casablanca?

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by jch24 on May 31, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

White Men Can't Jump?

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by jch24 on May 31, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

mamma mia

and you booked the closest hotel room afterwards to scratch that special itch

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by obc2 on May 31, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

dazed and confused!

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by obc2 on May 31, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

U-571?

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by jch24 on May 31, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is the only decent movie he is in

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by btcoop71 on May 31, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Matthew McConaghuey was in U-571?

Wasn’t Bon jovie in that, too?

Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.

by Cy Schourek on May 31, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

just saw The Hunt For Red October this weekend with kiddos

you are full of wrong!

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by obc2 on May 31, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

THRO was pretty good

there’s an exception to every rule!

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by obc2 on May 31, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

THRO was pretty good

there’s an exception to every rule!

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by obc2 on May 31, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you don't like Down Periscope you're a Communist

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by jch24 on May 31, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

what about Submerged?

so good, two different movies last decade were released with the same title.

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by obc2 on May 31, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

what about Submerged?

so good, two different movies last decade were released with the same title.

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by obc2 on May 31, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's got Welcome Aboard tattoed on his dick...

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by btcoop71 on May 31, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

what about Crimson Tide?

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by obc2 on May 31, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also a very good sub movie

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by btcoop71 on May 31, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Secretary?

Still not a candidate.

by Gray on May 31, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I found this amusing.

What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.

by DocRam on May 31, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

crimson tide can blow madville

it is simultaneously the worst gene hackman and the worst denzel washington movie!

by 'tHan on May 31, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is incorrect

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by btcoop71 on May 31, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is incorrect

It's your right and your ability, To become my perfect enemy

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by btcoop71 on May 31, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

You actually paid money to see one of his movies?

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by btcoop71 on May 31, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was probably Failure To Launch

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by jch24 on May 31, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

j k livin!

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by obc2 on May 31, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

best guess, after having met you

how to lose a guy in 10 days

or

the wedding planner

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by obc2 on May 31, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Having never met him

I’m going with the wedding planner

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by btcoop71 on May 31, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

We Are Marshall?

Which I haven’t seen

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by btcoop71 on May 31, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

A Time To Kill?

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on May 31, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Angels In The Outfield with Danny Glover?

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on May 31, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Has to be Amistad

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on May 31, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

tropic thunder!

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by obc2 on May 31, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fool's Gold?

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by jch24 on May 31, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

he likes terrible movies and good beer

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by obc2 on May 31, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm rec'ing this because it's classic

Bruce finally gets moved up, two LH batters back to back, and you found a way to be mad.

#LoveYouMeanIt

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by jch24 on May 31, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

#bitterbeerface

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by obc2 on May 31, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

x

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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on May 31, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

The pitchers names’ rhyme

Fuck it, we'll do it live.

by DTFH91 on May 31, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meineke is sitting on its biggest advertising goldmine

since George Foreman named all of his sons George.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on May 31, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

BRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCE is batting fourth!

I’m so gald Dusty saw my suggestion here and is following it.

by Don, the Rebel without a Blog on May 31, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did Chris Spier kill Dusty Baker?

Or is this this the Invasion of the Body Snatchers?

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by BigBabyBruce on May 31, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I just came

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by jch24 on May 31, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

do those shower doors in the showroom repel liquids?

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by obc2 on May 31, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you upgrade to the specially-treated ones!

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by jch24 on May 31, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought it was against the rules for Bruce to bat cleanup?

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by sexsalad on May 31, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I subscribe to the pitchers are pitching him differently stance

Mainly because there hasn’t been anyone consistantly behind him that has produced. BP was only there for a few games, Rolen has not been good, and Bruce is just being moved there tonight.

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by btcoop71 on May 31, 2011 3:25 PM EDT reply actions  

i do to

Mainly because that is what it looks like on tv.

by Brian B on May 31, 2011 3:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Votto and Bruce should be 3-4

Guys pitch around Votto to get to Rolen, even when he’s healthy and hitting.

A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.

by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on May 31, 2011 3:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Which two Yankees were the last players to win back-to-back MVPs?

And has it ever happened in the NL?

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by jch24 on May 31, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

and if you mean different players

Bonds-Kent
Morgan-Foster
Bench-Rose

Off the top of my head

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by Slyde on May 31, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rollins and Howard just won it a couple years ago

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by obc2 on May 31, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I knew my wording was bad

Different players, same team. Sorry.

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by jch24 on May 31, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is it possible that you meant back-to-back-to-back?

because it’s been a long time since the Yankees have had back-to-back MVPs and lots of teams have done it since. However, I do believe the Yankees are the last team to have the trifecta.

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by Slyde on May 31, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope, just threw the Yankees out there as a default

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by jch24 on May 31, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep

Also, Jeff Kent won an MVP?

And JuanGone and Pudge did it, cool.

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by jch24 on May 31, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed!

Aurilia, too.

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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on May 31, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice

How about Lombardi-Walters-McCormick for the trifecta?

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by Slyde on May 31, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's happened a lot more than I would have guessed

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by jch24 on May 31, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

whoops

timely!

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by obc2 on May 31, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've decided to troll Jason Stark this afternoon on twitter

Any suggestions?

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by btcoop71 on May 31, 2011 3:41 PM EDT reply actions  

I think Stark has taken the bait...

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by btcoop71 on May 31, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

tell me you lambasted him for picking Bautista as POMay

and writing a 2000 word synopsis of the month of May in MLB and not once mentioning Hard Jay. That wonk.

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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on May 31, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I did

And apparently a lot of others took the troll bait as well, people are telling me I can’t read….mission accomplished…

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by btcoop71 on May 31, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ask him if he dissed Jay because Reds games aren't broadcasted in HD often enough

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by jch24 on May 31, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I played the AL East bias card, and someone RT'd it...

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by btcoop71 on May 31, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

He'll bite on anything philly related.

Had to unfollow him after just a couple days because of way too much info on the phillies.

by Brian B on May 31, 2011 3:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

He's #6 on the top 5 Mays....

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by btcoop71 on May 31, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I heard he's in prison

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on May 31, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

all this non baseball chatter

is exactly why RR should have a pregame thread.

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by obc2 on May 31, 2011 3:58 PM EDT reply actions  

I think the initial game thread has become the traditional pre-game thread.

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by johnu1 on May 31, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's terrible

there should be a pre-game thread two hours before first pitch.

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by obc2 on May 31, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we broke the RRz

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by jch24 on May 31, 2011 4:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Wha' happen?

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on May 31, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I loaded the thread, only half the comments came up

So I posted a comment and bitched about it, went back to the main page, reclicked the story and all of the comments were here except the one I had just made. I may have spilled beer on the server again boss, sorry.

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by jch24 on May 31, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

you deleted your own comment!

awesome.

take that, self!

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by obc2 on May 31, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

In response to the "have we lost some lefties from the division" question you pose

I would postulate that managers probably don’t feel like it’s worth it to bring in a LOOGY anymore against Votto, so they’ll leave in their 1 inning relievers to face him, assuming they have just as good a chance to get him out and they don’t have to burn a bullpen arm

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on May 31, 2011 4:28 PM EDT reply actions  

indeed

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on May 31, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotta win 15 every month to contend.

That does not take into account that somebody else might be winning 16.

The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.

by johnu1 on May 31, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

just went and scrubbed two bathtubs

i highly recommend the Bathtub Eraser by Lysol. made the job muuuuuuuch easier.

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by obc2 on May 31, 2011 4:40 PM EDT reply actions  

(makes whip cracking noise)

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by jch24 on May 31, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Bathtub Eraser"

sounds like a post career-peak buddy comedy starring Eddie Murphy and Ahhhnald.

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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on May 31, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

You guys have a really weird definition of "rally".

I seem to recall people calling for a rally here when we were winning 5-3.

by MatthewH on May 31, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rally cleavage hasn't been good luck

I think we should start using butt cleavage instead:

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by jch24 on May 31, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought pig rally rallies were working ...

then somebody porked the pork.

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by johnu1 on May 31, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rally cleavage hasn't been good luck

I think we should start using butt cleavage instead:

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on May 31, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

you're pretty adamant about ruining my dinner, aren't you?

doubling up on that flabby man-ass…yecckkk.

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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on May 31, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I wanted to ruin your dinner

I would post a link to the plot of A Serbian Film.

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on May 31, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

you had that locked and loaded, didn't you?

thankfully I was around when that got tossed out in reference to the Human Centipede mention a few days ago. Creepy shit.

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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on May 31, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have lots of stuff tucked away for rainy days

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on May 31, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

My girlfriend says she wants to see this

I’ve told her I’ll break up with her if she does.

by Brendanukkah on May 31, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I guess that answers the "Where the hell has 'nukkah been?" question

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jun 1, 2011 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

also, a GIS for butt cleavage yields fantastic results

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by jch24 on May 31, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whale Tails

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on May 31, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Votto is def walking more this year....

wish Rolen would hurt those who dare more….

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