Has Joey Votto changed his approach this year?
A look at Joey's batting line this year indicates that he's having a terrific year, posting a .423 wOBA and a 165 wRC+. That's phenomenal production, and the point of this piece is not to complain.
But what is interesting is how he's done it: last year, he hit .324/.424/.600. This year, he's hit .330/.463/.515. His ISO is down from .276 last year (and .245 in 2009) to .186 this year. His walk rate is up (20% vs. 14% last year), and his strikeout rate is down (18% vs. 23% last year). His HR/FB ratio is 12.5% this year, down from 25% last year and 19% career.
I see three possible explanations for this.
1. Pitchers just aren't giving him anything to hit, so he's walking and isn't able to use his power as much as he has in previous years.
2. Votto has changed his hitting approach, being more selective, and trading power for getting on base.
3. It's just a random fluctuation and is not the result of a specific cause, per se.
I think all three could well be true. Here's a quick look at each:
1. Pitchers just aren't giving him anything to hit.
While there are open questions as to its accuracy, FanGraphs' Zone% statistic shows no difference between last year and this year in the # of pitches Votto has seen in the strike zone (42% both years).
He has been seeing more change-ups (15% vs. 10% last year), and fewer sliders (13.5% vs. 16% last year) and curve balls (8% vs. 10% last year). That could be a function of the # of LHP's vs. RHP's he's faced, however. This year, 78% of his PA's have been against righties, while last year it was 64% (which seems like a huge difference to me--have we lost some lefties from the division or something?). Pitchers use change-ups more commonly against opposite-handed hitters, so that makes sense. So, perhaps pitcher's aren't pitching him differently, per se, but the fact that he's seen more righties means he's encountered different pitching than last year thus far.
2. Votto has changed his approach
Votto is showing indications that he's become more patient, and making better contact. He's only swinging at 25% of balls out of the zone this year compared to 30% last year, and what's more is only swinging at 67% of balls in the zone compared to 73% last year. When he does swing, he's making better contact, with a 2% improvement in contact out of the zone, and a 3% improvement in contact in the strike zone (3% improvement overall). What the data don't tell us is why he's making better contact: is he just being more selective, or is he trading power for contact by not swinging as hard?
Other thing: last week, I remember hearing some announcer say that Votto was a little bit banged up. I haven't heard anything else about it. But there is always the possibility of a hidden injury that is affecting his power production as well.
3. It's just a random fluctuation
The effects on his batting line could still be a random fluctuation. Votto has just shy of 250 PA's right now in 2011. Based on work from Pizza Cutter, we can expect things like his swing rate, contact rate, strikeout and walk rates, and ground ball rates to stabilize (by which I mean about 50% signal or better, as opposed to a majority of noise) by 250 PA's. But more general measures of batting performance, like OBP, SLG, and ISO do not provide the same level of stability until you get into the 500-550 PA range. So while I think some of the approach changes in #2 may be (at least in part) real, the ultimate effect it will have on his power, in particular, may not yet be apparent.
So, the answer may well be all of the above, though there was less support for #1 than I expected to see. Regardless of what's behind it, Votto is continuing to post phenomenal numbers as the cornerstone of the Reds' offense. While I would certainly love to start seeing more home run power from him, it's impossible to get upset when a guy is OBPing .463. The Reds are lucky to have him.
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Very good article.
I would say that is has to be a combination of the three. Pitchers are pitching Joey differently, so he has changed his approach, and once the sample size gets a bigger I would expect to see his ISO rise.
Once it starts to heat up this summer, I expect to start seeing the ball fly off of Votto’s bat even more. But, again you can’t complain about this production.
What is really scary is if Bruce keeps up this tear all summer long. His LD% is off the charts, after a terrible showing in April.
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Yeah
The idea of Bruce and Votto hot streakin’ at the same time is enough to get me kind of giddy.
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Is it?
Fangraphs say his LD% is 10.8% right now, which is under his career norm
Fuck it, we'll do it live.
His LD% in April was something like 6%.
That definitely brought down his LD%. Check out the May numbers. I thought I read somewhere that they were close to 20%. I’d look it up, but I find where you look at statistics month by month.
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by BigBabyBruce on May 31, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I've pretty much come to the conclusion...
That LD% is not a useful stat. There is far too much inconsistency in whether a pitch is scored a fly ball or a line drive (or even a “fliner.”
If you look at Bruce’s FB%, it’s up almost as much as his LD% is down. It might be that he’s lofting the ball more this year. But I think it’s easily just as likely that more of his “fliners” are being grouped into fly balls this year instead of line drives.
Overall, his LD+FB rate is 62% this year, and it was 64% last year. I don’t think that’s a meaningful change.
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Yeah you could be right.
Since a LD is decided by a scorer then who knows the real distinction sometime.
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by BigBabyBruce on May 31, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
In trying to score it myself I've found it really hard to decide
And it’s just as hard to break down how hard batted balls are hit.
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At least in the minors,
if a ball falls for a hit it’s typically called a line drive, but if it’s caught it is typically called a fly ball.
I agree that reading too much into the rates is kind of useless.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
Yeah, it's really easy to be influenced by the outcome of the play
I think that’s what drove a lot of the LD vs BABIP correlations we used to see people (myself included) focus on. That’s just scorer bias.
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This was a longstanding debate between me and Mr. Tiger. (He was arguing in favor of your position).
He won, obviously.
I've really come around on it over the past year.
I didn’t find Colin’s parallax article to be particularly convincing, and it started this. But more data has come since then. And then actually trying to score games with LD/FB distinctions really cemented it.
-j
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I sit right next to the Gameday stringer
and there have been a couple of times when I’ve seen him call something a “flyball” when it looked like a definite line drive to me, and vice versa. That guy needs to get his eyes checked!
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I've taken to just marking anything in the air as a fly ball
…and that’s in my completely-irrelevant-wife-makes-fun-of-me-for-doing-it scorekeeping using iScore. Sometimes I even have a hard time deciding between ground balls and line drives, though. Is a ball that is on a line but hits the outer edge of the infield dirt a line drive or a ground ball? And if a fielder catches it before it lands, does that matter?
At least when done professionally, GB% seems fairly reliable based on the data. I’m not sure that I trust myself with it, though!
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Is there a possibility that this gets solved by the fielding f/x cameras?
Will they somehow know the vectors of balls hit in the air?
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on May 31, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Is there a possibility that this gets solved by the fielding f/x cameras?
Will they somehow know the vectors of balls hit in the air?
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on May 31, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Hit f/x I guess I mean
I should really read one a few inches down the page.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on May 31, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, hitf/x
Hitf/x is already active, I think (just without data released to public), and gives us trajectory, speed off bat, etc. Fieldf/x will give us where the ball actually goes, as well as where fielders are at the beginning and end of the play (and maybe also their routes to the ball).
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I'll defer to you
That makes sense.
There’s a certain trajectory for a ball to be considered a liner, right?
Fuck it, we'll do it live.
it's all eyeballed
three people per game score it (for BIS) and then majority rules. There is a definite bias that has been shown that the outcome of the batted ball has an effect on how it is labeled.
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Jerk-ass.
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by Pops Daniels on May 31, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Sort of.
It’s all done via the eyeball, and the best descriptions I’ve seen from Baseball Info Solutions (who tracks it for FG) is that “you know one when you see one.” And when it’s hard to tell, they stick it in “fliners” (which I think FG just lumps with fly balls).
We’ll be much better off if/when we get hitf/x to actually measure trajectories and speed off bat. But I know if the public is going to get access to those data. Hope so.
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I also thought about the weather
Through 54 games last year (june 9), Votto was hitting 308/405/542; afterwards, he hit 332/436/633. I expect his current 330/463/515 slash line to become more slugging heavy as the weather heats up.
I'm getting a little excited about the summer weather and what that can mean for this offense.
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by BigBabyBruce on May 31, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
And what it'll mean for opposing offenses against our terrible rotation!
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
Our offense is better than their offense.
So we win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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by BigBabyBruce on May 31, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep, good point.
Thanks! -j
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Anecdotal
but I’ve seen 4 or 5 balls in Cincinnati hit by Votto that may have been out in warmer weather. Turn 2 doubles and 2 flyouts into home runs and suddenly he’s slugging .567 right now.
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just to keep going
turn every at bat into a HR and suddenly he’s slugging 4.000
BRUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
by BigStein on May 31, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
And Pujols is still starting the ASB
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on May 31, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
ASB?
All Star… Boy? Or maybe “Bitch,” as in WLB
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Albert sucks, bro
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on May 31, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
And yeah, it's weird that they re-named it
the All Star Bonanza.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on May 31, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Looks like it
Several other Reds are contenders for All-Star berths. First baseman Joey Votto, with 806,346 votes, trails Albert Pujols — the NL’s top overall vote-getter — by more than 182,000 votes.
BP is leading at 2B. Votto needs to get on the twitter.
And also show up on Sportscenter for his defense every night.
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And also show up on Sportscenter every night with at least one highlight defensive play.
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It's broke as shit if it's adding words
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Here's his spray chart for the year

At least one out was made that would have been a homer at GABP. Also lots of balls close to the wall. I definitely can see how cold weather or other factors could be enough to move a ball 5 feet one way or another.
What I don’t know is the extent to which Votto’s chart is any different from other hitters’ charts…
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sure, not claiming that he's any different
rather just pointing out that it could just be a fluke and that if those balls had traveled a little better, we may not notice the difference. That’s all.
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Yep, completely agree with you
And that’s consistent with what I was saying above. I think the change his his walk, strikeout, and contact rates may be a real change (or, at least, some part of it is real).
I don’t know if the apparent effect on power that might be inferred from his current hitting line is real, and it very well might not be. And as you point out, the numbers could easily be different under very slightly different conditions.
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Could the lack of protection/production behind him have something to do with it?
Other than the brief time Phillips was at cleanup, production out of the 4 hole has been below average. I believe Gomes, Rolen, and Cairo have all taken cleanup duties, and they aren’t really striking fear int opposing pitchers hearts. I would really love to see Bruce move up to the 4 hole. Neither Votto or Bruce have a tough time hitting lefties, so I don’t see why Dusty seems so reticent to try it.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Sad part of this is that, why couldn't this improvement ...
… come from a less-talented player?
Watching our top hitter amble down to first base on a walk is frustrating. I mean, I will take it, but I would rather he get a double.
The baby under the basket is a very powerful talisman, only to be used in times of great distress.
I don't know
Most work on lineup protection has shown little if any effect. This is some of the best:
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/pitching-around-batters
…and they found that while unprotected hitters do walk more (and strike out a tad more), they don’t show any drop in production when they do strike the ball (.395 wOBA for unprotected, .391 wOBA for protected).
And it’s not like there’s been a measureable increase in the number of pitches thrown to Joey that are outside of the zone (see point #1 above).
So…I’m just not sure how much of an effect it really has.
-j
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So protection isn't that important?
I’ve been lied to all these years!
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pull and pray is the best method
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by Slyde on May 31, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Jason Giambi seems to think so
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on May 31, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't listen to them, it's damned important
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It may not be long before we see Bruce move up to #4.
But, even then I’d think that Rolen would be seeing much better pitches to hit in front of Bruce.
I mean typically Phillips or Votto are getting on ahead of Rolen. You know they have to pitch to him, because you have the red hot Jay Bruce behind him. Maybe he is still hurt. I thought he was hitting much better at #6 anyway.
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by BigBabyBruce on May 31, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not so excited about moving Bruce up.
I know Bruce’s vLHB numbers are good this year, but in the past they haven’t been, and those numbers are pretty volatile in the sample sizes we typically get. Unless it’s really killing us, I’d prefer to keep the gap between the two LHB’s so opposing managers can’t LOOGY (or would it be LTOGY?) them in late innings.
Now, if you put Bruce at #4 and Votto at #2, on the other hand, I’d be thrilled. :)
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I know, I'm repeating myself...
But Clutch Man Monie needs to be batting cleanup, not Bruce.
We get to be all knifie-spoonie that way, too!
Has something happened to Phillips? Seems like his averaged dropped 30 points in the last week and a half.
BP is who we thought he is
Phillips during March/April/May in his career as a Red: .289/.345/.480
Phillips during the rest of the year in his career as a Red: .270/.319/.427
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Problem with that...
is that on Hernandez’s off days, Hanigan would be hitting 4th. :)
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by JinAZ on May 31, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Zing.
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by BigBabyBruce on May 31, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
It IS physically possible to change the lineup depending on who's playing.
If your regular CF is the first batter, and he gets a day off, that doesn’t mean that the backup center fielder has to bat first. Or whoever ends up batting first has to play center field.
I know, you don’t believe me, but it CAN happen!
I don't believe you.
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Hmmmm
Yeah, I’mma go with Justin on this one. It’s just…well, not crazy, but…just nonsensical.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 1, 2011 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought about bringing up the idea of Votto #2 and Bruce at #4.
But, I didn’t want to upset the baseball traditionalists.
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by BigBabyBruce on May 31, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
There is no such thing as protection son, and talk like that will get you the same number of lashes as talk about being clutch
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there's definitely no protection in your world
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by obc2 on May 31, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Clever and well played
One rec for you, go get yourself something nice!
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Great post.
I think that pitchers are approaching Votto differently – maybe just in a way that doesn’t show up in the overall averages? I’ve been looking over some of the situational splits that are available, but haven’t really come to any conclusions. At what point might we see some pitchFx data?
I took a cursory look at pitchf/x
…but nothing jumped out at me.
Thinking more about it, though….I think last year, at least, the way to get Votto out was to (somehow, if you’re lucky) get him to two strikes, and then throw him a down-and-away breaking ball. I haven’t seen that work as well this year. That’s all anecdotal, but could be the place to look…
-j
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Does pitch f/x track
variances in speed as well as location? I’m genuinely ignorant to the process.
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by Pops Daniels on May 31, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
It gives you...
Start and end speed, and vertical & horizontal movement for each pitch thrown. So yeah, you can get variance in speed from it.
Good place to go is texasleaguers.com. Just look around in their database. No skillz required. :)
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Since it's apropos...Tonight's lineup. Notice anything?
Stubbs 8
Phillips 4
Votto 3
Bruce 9
Rolen 5
Gomes 7
Renteria 6
Hernandez 2
Reineke 1
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
Besides friggin Gomes starting against Greinke I mean. That isn't going to end well.
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by nycredsfan on May 31, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
But he's on a hot streak!
Don’t you know that 3 games is now considered a large sample size?
Fuck it, we'll do it live.
But he's on a hot streak!
Don’t you know that 3 games is now considered a large sample size?
Fuck it, we'll do it live.
I really can't emphasize this hot streak enough
Fuck it, we'll do it live.
by DTFH91 on May 31, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Gomes is 3 for 9 with a two 2B and a HR off of Greinke
I can almost guarantee you that’s why he’s starting.
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well
two doubles and a home run in 9 AB isnt exactly getting credit for three seeing eye singles.
i’d say that Mr Gomes might be able to locate the ball out of Greinke’s hand decently.
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Or maybe he'll just get lucky.
I feel like whenever Gomes gets a hit it is just dumb luck.
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by BigBabyBruce on May 31, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
i definitely feel that way during his extended cold streaks
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who knew there was a cinema off the IN 275 exit? it was HOPPING on a Sat night, to boot.
the theatre we saw it in was the smallest ive ever seen. and the dude in front of us wore a wifebeater and utilized a dip can spit bottle!
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Really? Where?
Always good to utilize a bottle, preferably clear. And hang on to it lest the kiddies get a hold of it.
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Hell I have no idea
I try to avoid that part of 275.
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Seriously, people actually drive around that desolate plot of land?
what a waste of time.
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The lesser casinos are over there, and it's fun to see how far inland the water goes when the river floods
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isnt that where one of the mods used to live?
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mamma mia
and you booked the closest hotel room afterwards to scratch that special itch
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AND HOW CAN YOU NOT LIKE THE HUNT FOR RED OCTOBER?!?!?!?!
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Matthew McConaghuey was in U-571?
Wasn’t Bon jovie in that, too?
Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.
Yes. And he was passable.
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by Pops Daniels on May 31, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
just saw The Hunt For Red October this weekend with kiddos
you are full of wrong!
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Except the "there's exception to every rule" rule, oddly enough
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by Slyde on May 31, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
THRO was pretty good
there’s an exception to every rule!
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THRO was pretty good
there’s an exception to every rule!
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Zach Galifianakis has had many careers
Below was at least interesting.
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If you don't like Down Periscope you're a Communist
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what about Submerged?
so good, two different movies last decade were released with the same title.
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what about Submerged?
so good, two different movies last decade were released with the same title.
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He's got Welcome Aboard tattoed on his dick...
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by btcoop71 on May 31, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I found this amusing.
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.
crimson tide can blow madville
it is simultaneously the worst gene hackman and the worst denzel washington movie!
You actually paid money to see one of his movies?
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It was probably Failure To Launch
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best guess, after having met you
how to lose a guy in 10 days
or
the wedding planner
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Having never met him
I’m going with the wedding planner
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wedding planner is horrible, never try to sit through something starring j-lo
how to lose a guy in 10 days was good (and close to correct) but it is not the movie i saw there.
Angels In The Outfield with Danny Glover?
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what if I told you the 2 home runs were in 2005 and the double was in 2007?
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by Slyde on May 31, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
or maybe those games were when Greinke was just starting out and Gomes was still on the Rays
Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.
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I'm rec'ing this because it's classic
Bruce finally gets moved up, two LH batters back to back, and you found a way to be mad.
#LoveYouMeanIt
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x

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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on May 31, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Meineke is sitting on its biggest advertising goldmine
since George Foreman named all of his sons George.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on May 31, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
BRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCE is batting fourth!
I’m so gald Dusty saw my suggestion here and is following it.
by Don, the Rebel without a Blog on May 31, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Did Chris Spier kill Dusty Baker?
Or is this this the Invasion of the Body Snatchers?
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by BigBabyBruce on May 31, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
do those shower doors in the showroom repel liquids?
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I thought it was against the rules for Bruce to bat cleanup?
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I subscribe to the pitchers are pitching him differently stance
Mainly because there hasn’t been anyone consistantly behind him that has produced. BP was only there for a few games, Rolen has not been good, and Bruce is just being moved there tonight.
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Votto and Bruce should be 3-4
Guys pitch around Votto to get to Rolen, even when he’s healthy and hitting.
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on May 31, 2011 3:36 PM EDT reply actions
22 minutes ago your wish was granted
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The one about the hooker corpses or the one about the batting order
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on May 31, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Jay Bruce was named NL Player of the We zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
wake me up when he wins his MVP!
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Aw, come on
Good for Jay!
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Which two Yankees were the last players to win back-to-back MVPs?
And has it ever happened in the NL?
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and if you mean different players
Bonds-Kent
Morgan-Foster
Bench-Rose
Off the top of my head
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Rollins and Howard just won it a couple years ago
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I knew my wording was bad
Different players, same team. Sorry.
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Is it possible that you meant back-to-back-to-back?
because it’s been a long time since the Yankees have had back-to-back MVPs and lots of teams have done it since. However, I do believe the Yankees are the last team to have the trifecta.
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Nope, just threw the Yankees out there as a default
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yep
Also, Jeff Kent won an MVP?
And JuanGone and Pudge did it, cool.
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2000 - .334, 33, 125
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on May 31, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Slyde on May 31, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Indeed!
Aurilia, too.
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on May 31, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
JuanGone was like the 10th best player in the league
and wasn’t especially great in his other MVP season either
Nice
How about Lombardi-Walters-McCormick for the trifecta?
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It's happened a lot more than I would have guessed
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I've decided to troll Jason Stark this afternoon on twitter
Any suggestions?
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tell me you lambasted him for picking Bautista as POMay
and writing a 2000 word synopsis of the month of May in MLB and not once mentioning Hard Jay. That wonk.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on May 31, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I did
And apparently a lot of others took the troll bait as well, people are telling me I can’t read….mission accomplished…
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Ask him if he dissed Jay because Reds games aren't broadcasted in HD often enough
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I played the AL East bias card, and someone RT'd it...
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He'll bite on anything philly related.
Had to unfollow him after just a couple days because of way too much info on the phillies.
by Brian B on May 31, 2011 3:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ask him why he didn't mention Willie Mays!
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Where's Willie Mays Hayes?
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on May 31, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I heard he's in prison
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
Playing in the California Penal League
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on May 31, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
ask him what's the deal with the green hats!
by 'tHan on May 31, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
meh!

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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on May 31, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
all this non baseball chatter
is exactly why RR should have a pregame thread.
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I think the initial game thread has become the traditional pre-game thread.
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that's terrible
there should be a pre-game thread two hours before first pitch.
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Wha' happen?
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on May 31, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I loaded the thread, only half the comments came up
So I posted a comment and bitched about it, went back to the main page, reclicked the story and all of the comments were here except the one I had just made. I may have spilled beer on the server again boss, sorry.
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you deleted your own comment!
awesome.
take that, self!
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In response to the "have we lost some lefties from the division" question you pose
I would postulate that managers probably don’t feel like it’s worth it to bring in a LOOGY anymore against Votto, so they’ll leave in their 1 inning relievers to face him, assuming they have just as good a chance to get him out and they don’t have to burn a bullpen arm
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
Gotta win 15 every month to contend.
That does not take into account that somebody else might be winning 16.
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just went and scrubbed two bathtubs
i highly recommend the Bathtub Eraser by Lysol. made the job muuuuuuuch easier.
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But I'd like to keep my bathtub!
Still not a candidate.
by Gray on May 31, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Bathtub Eraser"
sounds like a post career-peak buddy comedy starring Eddie Murphy and Ahhhnald.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on May 31, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
You guys have a really weird definition of "rally".
I seem to recall people calling for a rally here when we were winning 5-3.
Rally cleavage hasn't been good luck
I think we should start using butt cleavage instead:

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I thought pig rally rallies were working ...
then somebody porked the pork.
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Rally cleavage hasn't been good luck
I think we should start using butt cleavage instead:

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
you're pretty adamant about ruining my dinner, aren't you?
doubling up on that flabby man-ass…yecckkk.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on May 31, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
If I wanted to ruin your dinner
I would post a link to the plot of A Serbian Film.
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you had that locked and loaded, didn't you?
thankfully I was around when that got tossed out in reference to the Human Centipede mention a few days ago. Creepy shit.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on May 31, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I have lots of stuff tucked away for rainy days
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
My girlfriend says she wants to see this
I’ve told her I’ll break up with her if she does.
by Brendanukkah on May 31, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I guess that answers the "Where the hell has 'nukkah been?" question
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
also, a GIS for butt cleavage yields fantastic results
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Whale Tails
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
indeed!

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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on May 31, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Votto is def walking more this year....
wish Rolen would hurt those who dare more….
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