Todd Frazier Promoted to Reds?
Via everyone's favorite FSN Statman (link above is to Frazier's agent's tweet, which actually broke the news):
jluckhaupt:
Congrats to Todd Frazier for apparently making the show. May you play so well that you never get sent down again. #Reds
Also from Joel:
Frazier's 650 PA average in the minors: .286/.358/.488, 40 doubles, 5 triples, 22 HR, 89 RBI, 59 BB, 120 K. Not Bruce-ian, but solid. #Reds
Let the wild speculation begin: what's the corresponding roster move? And what will Frazier's role be on the club?
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Ah, good
Glad we have a place to discuss it morelier. THIS IS SO AWESOME.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
Yeah, it'd be a shame for people to actually comment on FO posts. :-)
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
Well, we all know that nobody reads them, so people have to find out somewhere!
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
Sorry, should I remove?
I thought it was worth posting as a front page item rather than just in the comments.
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Nah, you done good
It’s worthy of it’s own thread, I think. Could be integrated into FO, but that’s pretty chock-full of good stuff and news about the Maloney promotion.
I encourage everyone to read both. Big news day.
"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on May 23, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
No, this definitely deserves it's own thing.
I was just wallowing in self-pity for a moment. Ignore me!
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
In 4+ seasons as a pro, here is how Frazier's playing time has broken down:
171 games in LF
112 at SS
81 at 3B
57 at 1B
37 at 2B
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
I'm surprised he hasn't played more 2b
but my guess is that there’s usually a decent glove that they want to run out there (Negron, et al)
Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.
by Cy Schourek on May 23, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
They tried a very short experiment there at the end of '09.
My guess is it didn’t go too well.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
Assuming the corresponding move is Gomes....
Doesn’t this end with him in Louisville? He’d have to pass through waivers first, right? Even so, I seriously doubt anyone would claim him. Would he accept an assignment to the Bats or would he think a change of scenery is in order? The Reds wouldn’t just outright release him would they?
Wasn’t it about this time in April that Dusty gave the quote about it just being April in response to Gomes low average? He indicated he could live with that as long as it wasn’t the end of June. Guess the timetable got accelerated.
Unless they phantom DL him or something.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
In the Reds last 162 games, gomes have played 149 and started 134
He’s batted .237/.321/.398. That’s a solid sample of suck.
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Definitely using this slash line the next time some Gomes defenders show up around here
We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad. Otherwise, you wouldn't have come.
We don't really have any real solid Gomes defenders.
"If I am a high school teacher preparing to gang bang the senior class."-Johnu1
by Yossarian22 on May 23, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
It's mostly because I like the guy, and I have a shirt
I really enjoy seeing him do well. I haven’t been seeing that a lot.
by Brendanukkah on May 23, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
i think that pretty much qualifies for the biggest gomes defender
the guy isn’t getting much love these days
I like him more than most
but there’s really not a whole lot to argue for him at this point.
Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.
by Cy Schourek on May 23, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
i like his story
he was a solid left fielder in 2009, and is the guy you root for to succeed, but he is Adam Dunn without the pitch selection.
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by Yossarian22 on May 23, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I definitely agree.
I’m just saying that Baker seemed to indicate that he was going to give him a bit more rope than he did. It’s just surprising to me that Baker would be open to some kind of move so soon. He’s generally much more patient than us fans, as evidenced by his handling of Tavares, Patterson, or even last year with Bruce and Stubbs struggling.
Might not have been up to him.
Jocketty.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
Good point
Just a few weeks ago Baker said he’d give Gomes until June. I think Walt might have taken the car keys from Dusty on this one.
He definitely has a history of doing that.
It really seems like Walt lets Dusty do what he wants with lineups, etc. And if he screws it up, Walt steps in.
That’s my only reason for tempered excitement over this. Unless Walt gives Dusty specific instructions on how to use Frazier (which I’m not convinced he’ll do), I could see Heisey full time in LF and Cairo still backing up Rolen. I hope I’m wrong.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
Giving Heisey a chance to be a full time player isn't a bad thing, he has earned it.
Plus Frazier could be sort able to spell all infield positions and Heisey, I think it is possible to give Heisey and Frazier about 4-6 games a week.
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by Yossarian22 on May 23, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
The problem with Gomes ...
…. it seems that he isn’t asking for help, or getting much, or isn’t listening, or just can’t do better. The way he’s swinging doesn’t suggest an injury. It suggests he has lost his focus.
Gomes is, at best, an average MLB player, so no deluding ourselves, but he is much better than he has shown. Dusty probably believes that and may have assumed that something would eventually click.
It hasn’t. Gomes wrote his own check for this one.
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THe problem with Gomes is he has no pitch selection, can't recognize a breaking ball, and has a big hole in his swing
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by Yossarian22 on May 23, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree, but he hasn't always been this bad
The man is a .240 hitter, no question, but he has HR power and runs bases well, although sometimes too aggressively. We can keep beating this horse, I suppose. I am rooting for him but he is at best a 26th man on the roster.
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he was bad before the Reds got him, which was how we got him
I don’t know if the change in leagues helped him as NL pitchers didn’t quite know how to exploit his weaknesses like AL pitchers did.
Gomes he a great rookie year in Tampa in 2005, but in 2008 he hit .182 and the Rays non-tendered him.
He hit well for the Reds in his first year, and his stats were inflated last year by an incredible May, but since June of last year he has been a bad hitter.
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by Yossarian22 on May 23, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I could see that too.
Still, Walt has allowed Baker to be patient with guys in the past. What’s different this time?
Gomes sucking so badly that his hand is forced?
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
The combination of Gomes sucking so badly and 2 far superior options waiting in AAA
That’s the difference between this and Patterson/Taveras. There were literally no other decent options then. (except Stubbs, who eventually got his shot and replaced Taveras)
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
I think they DFA him, I don't think anyone claims him, and I think he accepts the assignment.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
I bet somebody claims him.
I have no basis for this opinion other than the idea that somebody in the AL wants him as a DH.
"I slyde my boehner into sexsalad...."
Sounds like a johnu1 production. --jch24
I dunno
There’s a reason he signed a minor league deal with the Reds a couple of years ago.
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Yeah I can just as easily see him not getting picked off waivers...
Just figured I’d go against the grain and not rule out the possibility of it.
I honestly don’t care what happens to him, but I really want him out of our organization.
"I slyde my boehner into sexsalad...."
Sounds like a johnu1 production. --jch24
I honestly do care what happens to him.
Not to say I am keen on him staying with the big club, but I think it is mighty easy to kick a guy to the curb when you are watching from afar. It isn’t unimportant that the Reds take care of people who have problems other teams poop out on (see: Votto, Willis, Gomes, Volquez, even LeCure).
by Cuetotally Amazing on May 23, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, me too.
I honestly hope that if it is Gomes, today doesn’t turn into a celebration of him leaving. I’m pumped for Frazier to be on the team, but Jonny did some good things for the club and is clearly loved by his teammates. I hope whatever happens that he lands on his feet.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
I think most teams see him for what he is.
And what he is is not really worth a roster spot. Even in the AL, a smart team would only DH him against LHP, which is only 30% of the league. You’d have to be really desperate for a RH power bat to use a roster spot on him. (and pay him the money he is owed)
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
If he's used right he could be worth a spot...
his failings this year is mostly Dusty’s fault. He’s had 131 plate appearances versus righties, and only 26 versus lefties. His career ratio and 2010 ratio are both about 2:1. I could see the Mariners using him – Jack Cust is a lefty DH who is slugging 291. They also have someone named Mike Wilson on the roster. Gomes is an upgrade there. Same with the Oakland A’s – Matsui a lefty DH who isn’t hitting well.
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
Fair point.
It just seems like the market for a DH who can only hit lefties would be very limited.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
The salary is a deterrent
Low as it is. Oakland, at least, would balk at paying him the bulk of his $1.75M, when there’s likely to be an in-house candidate who can jump the low bar of just DH-ing against LHP. Especially since adding him also involves bumping someone else off the 40-man who is likely to have more utility.
But, you’re right, he’s great against LHP. He’s still useful to the Reds in that role. The problem is, they have three part-timers out in LF and no credible back-up for Rolen. Frazier helps on both fronts.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on May 23, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
tampa
needs a platoon partner for joyce and for old times sake
Jack McKeon on 2000 Reds "We have more MRI's than RBI's on this club."
Tampa needs a DH again...
Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.
by Cy Schourek on May 23, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Have you seen the big bag of suck in LF for the Nationals?
We all know where former Reds players like to go. Maybe the Nationals offer him something
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
Nationals LF are hitting .294/.328/.488 this year, fourth best in the NL
Am I missing something?
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Welll crap
I just looked at Morse’s stats…258/286/351 in 26 games
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
We totally should have traded for that guy!
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which is kind of a dark joke, as well as he's doing.
Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.
by Cy Schourek on May 23, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Has Werth been playing RF for them?
I haven’t been paying attention to the team on S. Capitol.
by Brendanukkah on May 23, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I like the thought of him sticking around in Louisville.
I mean, he’s not worth a roster spot at the big league level, but I could certainly envision a case where the Reds could need to call someone up for a couple of weeks because of injuries. Gomes as the last guy on the bench and a late inning PH in that situation isn’t so bad.
In other exciting news
The Padres are calling up Blake Tekotte. He went to my high school.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
Joe Nuxhall went to my high school.
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by Yossarian22 on May 23, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
David Hasselhoff went to my middle school.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
by -ManBearPig on May 23, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Speedy Miller was from my home town.
Hooze Hee?
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My dad was in high school with Michael McDonald
He didn’t know him then, and still doesn’t know who that is now.
by Brendanukkah on May 23, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
that's because Michael McDonald is an irrelevant joke.
Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.
by Cy Schourek on May 23, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Mark Lewis also went ot my high school
so did Aaron Cook and the pitcher with brain cancer.
"If I am a high school teacher preparing to gang bang the senior class."-Johnu1
by Yossarian22 on May 23, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I graduated in a class of 600+
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by Yossarian22 on May 23, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Sam Walton, and Ken Lay (the enron guy) went to my high school...
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
the guy who owns the mcdonalds across the street from my high school went to my high school
and spoke at my graduation.
"If I am a high school teacher preparing to gang bang the senior class."-Johnu1
dubya's little brother
and one of the stars of Porky’s both went to my high school.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on May 23, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Aaron Heilman went to my high school.
The first time I ever got pukin’ drunk, it was with him. We were playing dungeons and dragons and drinking everclear + kool aid.
He was an ok dude before he started getting attention from scouts. Then he became an insufferable prick.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on May 23, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
jluckhaupt went to my high school
The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!
As for Frazier's role on the club...
Utility IF, 4th OF, first PH bat off the bench. 1 to 2 starts a week.
Guessing that Lewis gets most of the starts in LF now.
"I slyde my boehner into sexsalad...."
Sounds like a johnu1 production. --jch24
4th OF?
Chris Heisey cries silently in the corner
We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad. Otherwise, you wouldn't have come.
how is today different from all other days?
Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.
by Cy Schourek on May 23, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nope. I don't think they call him up to start him once a week.
I bet he gets at least 2 starts a week in LF, and is Rolen’s primary backup at 3rd, which would equal at least 1 start a week there.
Dusty still doesn’t seem to love Lewis, and he hasn’t exactly torn it up thus far.
I think 3-5 starts a week is more likely.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
I could also see he and Heisey splitting time fairly equally in LF, with Lewis being primarily a bench bat.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
This would be ideal. Lewis is largely a known quantity,
and I’d like to see what we have with the other two.
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Agreed
And implicit in the promotion is the end of END, unless Todd throws up on himself. They have the same defensive roles as a 3B/LF, but Frazier is clearly superior. And END’s strike zone issues are obviously a much bigger problem at the ML level than they are at Louisville.
I would guess that means Valaika gets sent down?
Since he’s basically got END’s roster spot.
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Valaika's already back in AAA, I think.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
that's right
He was sent down 10 days ago.
Geez, are they really going to DFA Gomes?
I can’t imagine who else. Heisey’s probably safe because he’s the only real CFer not named Stubbs on the roster.
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Due to the death of Minor League Splits
I don’t know how he’s fared since then, but pre-2010, he was .334/.406/.576 against lefties lifetime in the minors.
Heisey had even more impressive splits against lefties, but has completely inverted them in the majors. And I think they might still view him as a sub, based on his small-sample performance off the bench vs. starting.
So Frazier should at least be starting 30% of the time in LF and roughly once a week to back-up Rolen. I think Lewis deserves more rope to see if he can be the left-handed end of the platoon, but I wouldn’t be mad if Heisey was getting 50% of starts out there.
"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on May 23, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
This year anyway:
vs. LHP: .271/.368/.644
vs RHP: .305/.365/.543
That’s partly why I’m so excited about him. He mashes lefties and still hits righties just fine.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
To expand,
I think Frazier could probably perform as well or better against RHP as Lewis.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
Career splits thru this year
vs LHP (591 PA): .310 /.391/.577
vs RHP (1495 PA): .276/.348/.454
This data is culled from a couple sources, so it might be off by a couple points here and there.
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So Frazier's OPS against RHP is only slightly better than Lewis'.
Only Lewis’ numbers are from the bigs.
Still, the way Frazier has improved against RHP lately (see above), I’d like to see him in LF a bunch of the time.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
I think END and Frazier can coexist on the 25-man.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on May 23, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps, but
END, Heisey, Rolen, and Frazier probably can’t.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
I'd say
2 games a week for Rolen, first RH bat off the bench, first option to spell Votto at 1B (on rare occasions when needed), 2nd option in LF behind Heisey, or 1st option if Heisey is spelling Stubs in CF.
That could add up to 350 AB over a year.
Did I miss the official announcement that Gomes is the odd man out?
Or are we just assuming?
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
are we entertaining the idea of anyone else?
Frazier kind of makes Cairo expendable too, doesn’t it? Though the 2 year contract probably prohibits that. Lewis doesn’t have options. Dusty seems to like Heisey, despite lack of playing time (and the fact that he can play CF). Renteria is getting on base just enough for his veteranyness to keep him around. I guess it kind of has to be Gomes, huh? Certainly bittersweet, but necessary
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
Heisey definitely isn't going anywhere.
Same with Renteria. I’d have thought Lewis was a possibility, but that leaves Bruce and Votto as the only lefties on the roster, and that just isn’t enough. I think Lewis’ handedness keeps him on the roster, at least until they decide Alonso deserves a shot.
Cairo is a possibility, but he’s still owed more money than Gomes and still serves some purpose. Frazier makes Gomes completely expendable.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
Yeah, Heisey is the designated CF back-up
and has cemented his role as all-purpose OF sub and righty PH bat. That, and his actual performance so far, should keep him up all year.
Lewis has the left-handedness working for him. But he’s also more likely to get snatched up through waivers. He plays better defense and is only paid $900K.
"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on May 23, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I still think that, in a vacuum, Lewis is the more likely to go
I just can’t see them going with 2 LHH on the entire roster.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
Worth remembering that Gomes can refuse assignment
So they’d have to work it out with him beforehand, or risk dumping $1.75M. That’s not something they’ve taken lightly in the past. Lewis may be more likely to go, even outside a vacuum, based on team’s preferences.
But with Frazier being the call-up, Gomes is the least essential player.
"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on May 23, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I could be wrong on this
but if he’s not claimed on waivers and refuses the assignment, I’m pretty sure the team is off the hook for the money he’s owed.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
I believe you're wrong on this
He’ll get the 1.75, the only question is if another team picks up part of it. Even if he refuses assignment.
But I could be wrong on this.
Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.
by Cy Schourek on May 23, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
you're right
He’ll get the money. The only question is who pays it.
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you're right, the money's guaranteed.
But it’s not a question of who pays it unless he is traded or picked up on waivers. If he is assigned to milb, whether he accepts or not, the Reds have to pay him.
by Brian B on May 23, 2011 2:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yes
Also, if he’s released and signs elsewhere, whatever he gets from his new team will be deducted from what the Reds owe him.
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i think it depends on his service time
Like Carlos Silva was paid his contract even though he was DFA’d, because of his service time. But if the Reds DFA Volquez (not that they would or should), or that he would even pass through waivers) he has to accept the assignment to be paid the remainder of his one year contract.
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by Yossarian22 on May 23, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
You are correct.
If a player has 5 years of service time he can refuse the assignment and still get paid. But Gomes is right on the edge of 5 years, so I don’t know how that would work.
This is interesting. I wonder if his service clock affected this decision being made so soon. Like, if they had waited a few more weeks, he could’ve refused the assignment?
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
Gomes had 5 years of service time coming into this season
So I don’t think it was a consideration.
"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on May 23, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, according to baseball-reference
he had 4 years of service time on January 1, 2010.
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by Yossarian22 on May 23, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Gomes is out of options
If he’s been outrighted before, he can’t be sent to the minors without consent, regardless of service time.
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Right, but if he had less than 5 years service and he refused the assignment
he doesn’t get paid.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
no, he still gets paid
From Wikipedia:
Typically a player is placed on waivers after being designated for assignment for the purpose of outrighting him to one of the club’s minor league teams. A player who is outrighted to the minors is removed from the 40-man roster but is still paid according to the terms of his guaranteed contract. A player can only be outrighted once in his career without his consent. However, a player must clear waivers (that is, no other team may place a waiver claim on the player) to be sent to a minor league team. Also, if the player has five or more full years of major league service, he must give consent to be assigned to the minors. If the player withholds consent, the team must either release him or keep him on the major league roster. In either case, the player must continue to be paid under the terms of his contract.
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oh, if wikipedia says it, it has to be true!
/typicalresponsetowikidipediainfothatdoesntsaywhatyouwanteditto
You are misreading that.
It says he is paid if he is removed from the 40-man but sent to the minors.
If he has fewer than 5 years of service time he is not allowed to refuse the assignment. If he does, he forfeits his contract.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
he is allowed to refuse the contract
If he’s been outrighted before, and I think Gomes has been.
“A player can only be outrighted once in his career without his consent.”
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You're talking right past each other.
‘creds is agreeing with you, but saying that if he had less than 5 years of service time and he refused to show up in AAA, he wouldn’t get paid.
Still not a candidate.
I agree with that
except that you can refuse to show up if you have less than 5 years of service time and you’ve been outrighted before.
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I don't think Gomes has been outrighted before
we got him because the Rays non-tendered him after the 2008 season. We signed him to a minor league contract going into 2008.
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Cairo/Renteria are the only other real possibilities in my eyes.
I don’t see them going though. They’re the veteran bench guys, you know?
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
Renteria is the only other SS on the roster
unless the Reds think Frazier can play there. So he’s safe.
Cairo just seems to have more versatility.
Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.
by Cy Schourek on May 23, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
There are certainly other possibilities
Cairo or Renteria to the DL. Heisey sent down. Votto Toronto-raptured.
Sending down a pitcher seems especially unlikely since the bullpen is a little burnt. Gomes DFA is a little hard to believe, but it seems as likely as anything else. Frazier’s up to make starts.
"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on May 23, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
/Vince Carter'd
Calmer than you are.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on May 23, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Votto is the Carter II
Look for him to sky over some French dude – probably Juan Pierre – for a slam dunk home run.
"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on May 23, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I thought Juan was Hispanic - French
Hispench?
Frespanic?
Calmer than you are.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on May 23, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I meant Joe Carter
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on May 23, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
on a performance basis, its clearly Gomes that should go
But having Frazier up does make Cairo awfully redundant.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on May 23, 2011 11:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Can't rule out a trade either
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on May 23, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Fox Sports Ohio is reporting that pitcher Todd Frazier is being called up
So, I guess that kills two birds…
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I heard he throws 90!
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
by nycredsfan on May 23, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hes from my hometown
He’s from my hometown and won a LLWS in 1998!
A friend of mind is from the same town
Point Pleasant, right?
by Charlie Scrabbles on May 23, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Frazier is from Point Pleasant
but played on the Tom’s River team. I think little league teams do this all the time. They can gather all-stars from all around, as long as the kids can get to the games. Point Pleasant is only about 20 mins north of Tom’s River.
by Charlie Scrabbles on May 23, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Right you are, bb-ref lists him as from Point Pleasant
He went to HS in Tom’s River.
Also, I didn’t know he has a brother (Jeff) who’s playing with the Tigers.
I think the all-star teams are supposed to be from the "area"
Which would be inside some sort of local governing group’s domain.
Which isn’t quite the same as the Saudi All-Stars, who are military brats.
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and he's almost as excited for this as he was then
Yeay Tom’s River!
Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.
by Cy Schourek on May 23, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
so many jokes in poor taste could be made here
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
riddle away.
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by Yossarian22 on May 23, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I am a huge Todd Frazier fan
I can only hope that he show his stuff to great advantage.
If he hits MLB pitching (and methinks he will) the Reds will find a spot for him.
Maybe we’ll see by next year:
Hi-Z/Alonso lf
BP 2b
Votto 1b
Bruce rf
Stubbs cf
Frazier 3b
Hanigan C
Jannish (/) ss
Rolen is going to be gone by next season and Juan Fiasco has yet to take advantage of his opps.
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Rolen is under contract for next year
I am pretty sure he has a no trade clause, and I don’t think he is in a hurray to leave Cincinnati.
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by Yossarian22 on May 23, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, Rolen's retiring a Red...
That said, it wouldn’t surprise me if Frazier winds up getting 50%+ starts @3B and then spot-starts elsewhere as Rolen limps his way to the end of a very, very good career.
This is my hope, and another reason I'm so glad Frazier is getting the call now.
I think an ideal situation would be for Rolen and Frazier to do a 50/50 split at 3B next year, both to preserve Rolen and to pass the torch to the next guy.
Calling him up now lets him get his feet wet and also lets the org know if this is something that would work next year.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
the only way Rolen doesn't finish this contract with the Reds.
is if the Reds aren’t contending and he has a chance to help a contender next year as a deadline deal.
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by Yossarian22 on May 23, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I would be surprised if Rolen finished out the season as a prime player
He isn’t healthy and his game shows it.
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i know, his stats since returning from the DL show he is hurt and probably nothing more than rubish at this point
.355/.394/.516.
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by Yossarian22 on May 23, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's score some runs
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on May 23, 2011 11:33 AM EDT reply actions
okay, Harry.
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by Yossarian22 on May 23, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Fay offers an intriguing alternative to all discussed above.
by Cuetotally Amazing on May 23, 2011 12:26 PM EDT reply actions
holy cow
Interesting that he wasn’t traveling with the team.
But…I really cannot believe they’d go without a legit SS to back up Janny. It’s been three years since Frazier played SS. He was in A-ball.
If something happened to either Renteria or Janish, I would expect Valaika to get the call.
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Rent use to be a true shortstop....
He doesn’t have the glove or the range to even play defense these days. It would not be a loss at all. It would be a huge upgrade to our roster.
Frazier for Rent
Alonso for Gomes/Lewis
These two moves would make us a much better team…IMO
We need Brandon Larson to Play 3rd! Can't be worse than Rentawreck, right?!?
by BiggerRedMachines on May 23, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Frazier hasn't played short stop in years
just because he is younger and more athletic doesn’t mean he will be a better shortstop than Renteria.
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by Yossarian22 on May 23, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, if it is Renteria, that doesn't give me much hope for how much Frazier will actually play.
Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks
This could be as simple as
Volquez or Smith being optioned for Maloney, while Renteria is taking family leave or something.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on May 23, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I was looking through to see if anyone had commented that
Fya said Dusty told Gomes he’s still part of the plan, so he’s presumably not going anywhere.
Sigh.
Still not a candidate.
My source tells me Eddie Taubensee is getting DFA
Yeah, surprised me too. Apparently he has just been sitting quietly in a back closet for years.
by jacob brumfield on May 23, 2011 2:12 PM EDT reply actions
In case anyone else updates this story with the corresponding moves
just move it to the top. Don’t start a new one, if you can help it.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on May 23, 2011 2:17 PM EDT reply actions
Actually, scratch that
Threads are kinda getting bloated and there’s a lotta news to report when this shakes out. WE’LL DO IT LIVE!
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on May 23, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I like this one better from Fay:
johnfayman John Fay
RT @ScottNorlick word on the street is Gomes/Homer for Bautista.//That would solve left field, cleanup. Maybe they’ll throw in Drabek
Volquez and Jordan Smith to Louisville
Maloney and Frazier called up
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