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Reds-Cardinals Weekend: Tap into Great American

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If you'd told me sometime around early 2009 that the Cardinals were going to put Lance Berkman and Matt Holliday on the same team with Albert Pujols, I would responded that a benevolent God would never allow that to happen. Either that, or the team the Cardinals put them on was probably in the AL East. (I've got a lot of zingers stacked up in case someone travels back in time to make outrageous-sounding predictions). I would also have assumed the Reds would still be second-class citizens in the NL Central. There are plenty who question the sustainability of the Reds' success. But while either of these teams could suffer more injuries, regressions or a challenger from the teeming undercarriage of the NL Central, the fact remains that, for the second season in a row, the Reds and Cardinals are locked in what appears to be a long-term struggle for first place.

In that paleo-futuristic scenario, I probably would never have guessed that Albert Pujols would be the least productive of those big three. But that's been the case, through nearly a month and a half of the season. In fact, Pujols has been under-performing the likes of Colby Rasmus and David Freese too, while making outs a higher rate than Ryan Theriot.  But despite Pujols' early downturn - which is naturally measured against his previous out-sized performance - the story for the Cards is the performance of the players that are more than picking up his slack, whether by legitimate breakout or over-achievement, adding up to an NL-leading 5.3 runs per game.

So are the Cardinals an irrepressible offensive juggernaut? Rasmus and Freese are probably better than you'd like to credit them. And, as I'm sure we're like to hear at least once (per plate appearance) this weekend, Pujols isn't going to be as un-Pujols as he's been to date. By the same center-seeking logic, Holliday and Berkman aren't going to flirt with .400 all season. And, if they are, I don't really want to think about it. On balance, this is an offensively superior team than the one that landed on our Ohio River bankhead nearly one year ago. But the pitching staff, in the presence of Westbrook's struggles and without Wainwright, is weaker. And there are some defensive liabilities on a team that shipped out Brendan Ryan and put Berkman back in the outfield.

As Joel mentioned on Twitter, the similarities between this series and its 2010 prequel are striking: The Cardinals were 20-15 and Reds were 19-15 coming in.  While the Cardinals have beefed up on offense and look at least as formidable on the whole as last year, the Reds aren't slouching, churning out the second-best runs-per-game mark in the NL at 5.1. In the aggregate, this series has much the same statistical background as it did one year a go - just arrived at by different routes. If you're looking for an edge that suggests the current trajectory favors the Reds, you could certainly start with the fact that Cueto and Bailey are freshly-returned and looking good. Jay Bruce is a sleeping giant. Scott Rolen will almost certainly improve on the 3rd base committee that was keeping his spot warm.

It's tempting to look at head-to-head match-ups between rivals as some kind of ledger. But the unpredictability of the season outstrips any attempt to figure out a division winner through debits and credits in May. On top of which, these series only last three games. The "false sense of security" strategy pursued last year worked pretty well, but it also involved keeping everyone honest by winning 2 out of 3 in the mid-May tilt. Just to be safe, why not pick up the sweep?

Star-divide

What they're saying

Unless I've missed it, nothing quite bat-kick worthy has come across the wire recently, though there has been of simmering passive-aggression. It's not "WLB," but maybe it'll get your blood-boiling if you hate strategic pitching rotation scheduling, parroted Kraft-brands based trash-talking or making fun of things that are probably fair game.

Dusty said this thing:

"It’s always important to play well against the Cardinals," Baker said. "The last two years, we didn’t match up well against the Cardinals. We didn’t match up good with Carpenter. We didn’t match up good with Wainwright. We didn’t match up good with Garcia. That’s what it boiled down to. They were setting their rotation every time."

Not sure what the tone was here, but I'm going to imagine Dusty was seething with rage and yelling this into his own shattered reflection in the mirror. FACT CHECK: Dusty is mostly right here, though the Reds did face Brad Penny, Kyle Lohse and PJ Walters earlier in the season.

Colby Rasmus said through a social media platform (probably Friendster, "ha ha"):

Great having "LaRussa" at the game today lol. Time to go to Cincy and stock up on lunchables and maybe steal a shirt or five

Not very funny, I guess. But also, pretty hard to be at all upset about. One dig is a vague, innocuous reference to Brandon Phillips' making fun of St. Louis cuisine. The other, of course, mentions a dumb-dumb thing a Reds' pitcher did. A little late on that one, but otherwise fair enough, most of us made fun of that PR black-eye too.

Sorry, but we don't have enough grist for the mill yet.

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why the scare quotes around "LaRussa" though?

"Joe is baseball in Cincinnati...We can lose players, managers and coaches, but we can't afford to lose Joe Nuxhall." - Sparky Anderson

by boohiss on May 13, 2011 3:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Hmmm.
stock up on lunchables

Does that mean they’ve run out of lunchables since the reds visited the STL? The situation sounds pretty dire.

by andromache on May 13, 2011 3:13 PM EDT reply actions  

It may or may not happen today.

As someone said earlier, they could just keep him on the DL for a while (he just wouldn’t be able to pitch)

What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.

by DocRam on May 13, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

did he pitch during the last few days of his rehab

I kind of envisioned the Reds pitching him the last two days or so, then using the time to decide who to send out as rest for him. He’s going to take either Lecure or Leake’s spot, there is no one else that would make sense (chapman maybe, but I highly doubt it).

by pack_fan on May 13, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

So the Cardinals probablyhave a short bullpen due to Wednesday

how do the Reds fuck with the Cardinals and ruin their starting pitcher tonight?

Who are you people where is my horse?

by Yossarian22 on May 13, 2011 3:28 PM EDT reply actions  

weird

The Fayplacement posted the lineup, with a hat tip to Jamie Ramsey.

Isn’t he there at the ballpark, where he can get the lineup for himself?

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on May 13, 2011 3:28 PM EDT reply actions  

what?

That lazy slug.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on May 13, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

During teh Fya's inning with Marty...

He said he would only be at Saturday’s game because he had a church festival to go to.

Doesn’t he realize this is the modern day equivalent of OSU-Michigan weekend in Columbus?

by Nasty N8 on May 13, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jesus, is he my grandmother?

"I'm a professional baseball."- St. Louis Cardinal Manager Tony LaRussa discussing his profession with a Jupiter police officer who was in the process of charging TLR for a DUI.

by Yossarian22 on May 13, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Could be...

some say bad spelling is hereditary.

What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.

by DocRam on May 13, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Welcome back, Scotty.

Who are you people where is my horse?

by Yossarian22 on May 13, 2011 3:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Hasn't played in a month is my guess.

I’m surprised they didn’t give him a few days in L’ville to work his way back.

What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.

by DocRam on May 13, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

they thought about it

I guess they thought he looked good enough that he didn’t need it.

Either that, or they’re really, really desperate.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on May 13, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is Scott Fucking Rolen

Who are you people where is my horse?

by Yossarian22 on May 13, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hopefully it's a bit of both.

I think they’re probably eager to get him back…I just hope he isn’t too rusty.

What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.

by DocRam on May 13, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

they want him for this series

and he wants to be there for this series, plain and simple

by pack_fan on May 13, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

my guess

Because he’s 2 for 12 (.167) against Lohse.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on May 13, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

didn't realize that

that combined with his rustiness is a good reason to move him down the order

by Red_Poodle on May 13, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

probably because he hasn't played since April 20th.

Honestly, my line up right now would probably be:

CF-Stubbs
3B-Rollen
1B-Votto
2B-Phillips
RF-Bruce
LF-Heisey/Lewis
Catcher
Shortstop
Pitcher.

Who are you people where is my horse?

by Yossarian22 on May 13, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rolen in the 2spot sounds good to me

Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.

by Cy Schourek on May 13, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mentioned that to a friend recently...

He laughed and said “Rolen is clearly a cleanup hitter.” If he didn’t hate Dusty so much, they’d probably get on wonderfully.

What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.

by DocRam on May 13, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your friend is correct.

Roland = Cleanup

MADS and ASH - Taking out the Trash - 2012

by Madville on May 13, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd really like Bruce to break through

and have him protecting Joey, Stubbs, Rollen, Votto, Bruce, and Phillips has the potential to be an offensive juggernaut, bitch, with a combination of power and the ability to get on base.

Who are you people where is my horse?

by Yossarian22 on May 13, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think it was really necessary for you to call Cy a bitch.

What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.

by DocRam on May 13, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I figured it was a typo.

What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.

by DocRam on May 13, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Scotty is back!

Or even if I just like such as judged a fish contest that would get me outta the house and in some air.

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on May 13, 2011 3:47 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Rasmus is going to steal some shirts?

he needs to steal some Proactive whil he’s at it!!

by Red_Poodle on May 13, 2011 3:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Posnanski writes about Beltran

and convinces me even more that he needs to win a ring in Cincy.

Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.

by Cy Schourek on May 13, 2011 3:58 PM EDT reply actions  

FA after the season

if they stay in house for their new closer, they might have the funds to make it happen. I’m wary of him breaking down, but he’d be a guy Dusty would start over Gomes, so thats one thing he has going for him.

by pack_fan on May 13, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope that Super FLewis trips the light fantastic

but I’d feel a lot better with Carlos in there. Plus, a Beltran-Stubbs-Bruce outfield? Defense OMG!

Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.

by Cy Schourek on May 13, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

That could be the best all around outfield in the league.

/Bias’d

We need Brandon Larson to Play 3rd! Can't be worse than Rentawreck, right?!?

by BiggerRedMachines on May 13, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Beltran is horrific in the field now...

No range at all. His best comp is probably Berkman – same age, same skills, same creaky wheels, both switch hitters.

A few weeks ago people here were arguing that Gomes was more or less as good as Berkman – now you all want to give up prospects to acquire a Berkman clone who makes not $8 million a year but $18 million?

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on May 13, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

you want to sign Carlos Silva!!!

"I'm a professional baseball."- St. Louis Cardinal Manager Tony LaRussa discussing his profession with a Jupiter police officer who was in the process of charging TLR for a DUI.

by Yossarian22 on May 13, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

to be cursory

Beltran has .3 dWAR this year, Berkman has -.2.

And while Berkman is having the best offensive season in the NL so far, Beltran ain’t far off. Both will likely regress, but Beltran is probably the better player from hereon out.

Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.

by Cy Schourek on May 13, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

BBRef also compares Beltran to Rolen

which I think is pretty darned apt.

Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.

by Cy Schourek on May 13, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

it looks like Beltran has half a dWAR lead!

Buy RED: My Uncensored Life in Rock by Sammy Hagar, today

by obc2 on May 13, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really wish that said Half Dwarf

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on May 13, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

UZR has him as really bad...

over the past three years, and that’s generally considered superior to total zone. Using the eye test, he has a hard time moving around out there. You could probably convince me that he’s better than Berkman defensively, but not by as much as one would think.

He’d be an upgrade over Gomes, but a pro-rated $18.5 million is crazy expensive.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on May 13, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we could get him pretty cheap for a half season.

Not if he continues on those 3 Hr games though. I’m all for it. I’ve always been a fan of Beltran. Rent him for our World Series run.

We need Brandon Larson to Play 3rd! Can't be worse than Rentawreck, right?!?

by BiggerRedMachines on May 13, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

i've heard worse ideas.

"I'm a professional baseball."- St. Louis Cardinal Manager Tony LaRussa discussing his profession with a Jupiter police officer who was in the process of charging TLR for a DUI.

by Yossarian22 on May 13, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do tell

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on May 13, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

14 shots of voodka named America's Corn Tradition in under an hour while I was in Cuba

"I'm a professional baseball."- St. Louis Cardinal Manager Tony LaRussa discussing his profession with a Jupiter police officer who was in the process of charging TLR for a DUI.

by Yossarian22 on May 13, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fantasy Camp in Cuba with Paul Janish would be AWESOME!

Buy RED: My Uncensored Life in Rock by Sammy Hagar, today

by obc2 on May 13, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Colby Rasmus can blow me.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on May 13, 2011 4:10 PM EDT reply actions  

i kind of like Colby

then again, i also like Hunter Pence.

Buy RED: My Uncensored Life in Rock by Sammy Hagar, today

by obc2 on May 13, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm debating flagging this!! lol

We need Brandon Larson to Play 3rd! Can't be worse than Rentawreck, right?!?

by BiggerRedMachines on May 13, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

you also like Jim Edmonds

you probably like Tony LaRussa.

You like assholes.

"I'm a professional baseball."- St. Louis Cardinal Manager Tony LaRussa discussing his profession with a Jupiter police officer who was in the process of charging TLR for a DUI.

by Yossarian22 on May 13, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

i like productive ballplayers!

I’ve heard for years that BP is insufferable and treats women poorly (word of mouth, alert) but he clearly is the best on the team at interacting with the fan base, children especially.

word got out BP got a tweet invite to attend a little league ballgame last night 30 miles north of town and he accepted, even stayed for pics and autographs. that’s cool!

Buy RED: My Uncensored Life in Rock by Sammy Hagar, today

by obc2 on May 13, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

i didnt press for details

the fella dropping the dime was the BF after BP, and they leads to conflict of interests. Ex’s paint ugly pictures and they’re not always accurate.

Buy RED: My Uncensored Life in Rock by Sammy Hagar, today

by obc2 on May 13, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

doesn't he have a few illimitable kids floating around?

with child-support issues?

"I'm a professional baseball."- St. Louis Cardinal Manager Tony LaRussa discussing his profession with a Jupiter police officer who was in the process of charging TLR for a DUI.

by Yossarian22 on May 13, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

got ya

I did hear about the child support issues but I didn’t really ge the details

by Red_Poodle on May 13, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Someone doesn't read other threads!

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on May 13, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

ha, yeah i worked my way backwards after getting home from the office

work firewall’s RR….can’t say that i blame em!

Buy RED: My Uncensored Life in Rock by Sammy Hagar, today

by obc2 on May 13, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think his tweet was too personal

the lunchable stuff is fine, but I don’t thin it was kosher to bring up the Leake thing

by Red_Poodle on May 13, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think it was that bad.

But I think it would’ve been funnier if he had smack talked the city of Cincinnati, instead of just twisting around what BP said.

by andromache on May 13, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

it was unoriginal

I just think we need to make personal tweet attacks on the Cards then—to ecven teh playing field. TLR is off limits right now (I think) so I’m going to have to do a quick background check on their starting lineup

by Red_Poodle on May 13, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

new twitter plan

I’m going to tweet Hunter Pence and ask him for embarrassing stories about Lance Berkman. I will proceed to get the Fayplacement to tweet the stories ;) Not sure I want to tweet them to BP as he might get himself in trouble

by Red_Poodle on May 13, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Awesome! Congrats!

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on May 13, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Congrats!

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on May 13, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice! Great job!

Will you have one, by the way?

How much wood could Chakkuchakkuchakku if you can throw a tree?

by ThePensive on May 13, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope!

But I do have a six pack of beer and two vaguely employable degrees, so I guess I’m alright.

Would you like to give me a job? :P

by andromache on May 13, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

beer! Even better than a job!

Apparently the good people of Colorado need environmental lawyers, I am now learning.

Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.

by Cy Schourek on May 13, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm in Boulder right this moment

summer gig for the Natural Resource Law Center. But lots of Bureau of Land Management and other sort of fed stuff going on, from what I gather. Far less so private sector.

Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.

by Cy Schourek on May 13, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

That sounds awesome.

I’d love to go do environmental law in Colorado. Plenty of stuff to complain about!

by andromache on May 13, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

BAHAHAHAHA

I’m about to graduate from college myself. I don’t think I have any jobs to offer.

How much wood could Chakkuchakkuchakku if you can throw a tree?

by ThePensive on May 13, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks!

We can be poor beer-drinking graduates together!

How much wood could Chakkuchakkuchakku if you can throw a tree?

by ThePensive on May 13, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

i am a college graduate

and i am not even looking for work… Kind of want a year of a low responsibility job, and to get serious sometime around February of 2012.

"I'm a professional baseball."- St. Louis Cardinal Manager Tony LaRussa discussing his profession with a Jupiter police officer who was in the process of charging TLR for a DUI.

by Yossarian22 on May 13, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

free advice

go all in and try to land the best job you can get by the end of summer. im not sure the job market next Feb is going to be shits and giggles…

Buy RED: My Uncensored Life in Rock by Sammy Hagar, today

by obc2 on May 13, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

is it shits and giggles now?

"I'm a professional baseball."- St. Louis Cardinal Manager Tony LaRussa discussing his profession with a Jupiter police officer who was in the process of charging TLR for a DUI.

by Yossarian22 on May 13, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

depends

firms are most definitely hiring but there are a plethora of candidates to select from currently, more than in any time since the early 90s (in my experience, SSS!)

i graduated in a bad economic environment also. i bartended for two years. i had more disposable income in those two years then in all but a handful since.

fly like an eagle?

Buy RED: My Uncensored Life in Rock by Sammy Hagar, today

by obc2 on May 13, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would love a year of a low responsibility job

But at the same time I want to start making sure I’m making contacts and so forth in the field(s) that I’m interested in, so if I have to choose between a low-responsibility job in a random field and something busier in my interests, I’m taking the latter.

How much wood could Chakkuchakkuchakku if you can throw a tree?

by ThePensive on May 13, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm not exactly sure what i am qualified for

i want to substitute teach for a while, to see if i can handle high school students, if i like it, i may get a teaching certificate.

Finding a job is a relatively new thing for me, until a few months ago, i was fully planning on getting a Ph.D and being a college professor.. So I need to get a career plan together.

"I'm a professional baseball."- St. Louis Cardinal Manager Tony LaRussa discussing his profession with a Jupiter police officer who was in the process of charging TLR for a DUI.

by Yossarian22 on May 13, 2011 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

congrats!

I hope I can be like you one day.

Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.

by Cy Schourek on May 13, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

kudos!

good luck in the jobplace.

Buy RED: My Uncensored Life in Rock by Sammy Hagar, today

by obc2 on May 13, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well done! Congrats!

The Reds gift to you will be a weekend series sweep!

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on May 13, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since it is a gift, I'm going to count on that!

The Reds got me an awesome present for my last birthday!

by andromache on May 13, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

This sounds good to me!

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on May 13, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

make sure you keep the receipt in the box.

Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.

by Cy Schourek on May 13, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

congratulations

and way to upstage me and my pathetic master’s degree!

"I'm a professional baseball."- St. Louis Cardinal Manager Tony LaRussa discussing his profession with a Jupiter police officer who was in the process of charging TLR for a DUI.

by Yossarian22 on May 13, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Away From An Informant Keyboard?

Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.

by Cy Schourek on May 13, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

well go and get a Ph.D, they tend to be free

then you would be Dr. Andromache, Ph.D, J.D.-still equally unemployed!

"I'm a professional baseball."- St. Louis Cardinal Manager Tony LaRussa discussing his profession with a Jupiter police officer who was in the process of charging TLR for a DUI.

by Yossarian22 on May 13, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Mr. Tiger is me

I don’t think you have to worry about being upstaged. I’m just getting out of undergrad.

How much wood could Chakkuchakkuchakku if you can throw a tree?

by ThePensive on May 13, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope. Mr. Tiger is my boyfriend.

Heheh, I forgot that Princeton’s mascot is the Tiger. He’s just a Detroit Tigers fan.

by andromache on May 13, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hahaha

Understood. I figured between my mascot and my avatar, you might have been confused. Guess it was just me.

How much wood could Chakkuchakkuchakku if you can throw a tree?

by ThePensive on May 13, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Valaika is demoted.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on May 13, 2011 4:44 PM EDT reply actions  

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