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Red Reposter - Tears are gonna fall; Rolen on the DL

Mistake pitch to Molina costs Reds series
Even though the Reds dropped two of three to their top rival, yesterday's game had its positives. Edinson Volquez cruised for nearly six innings and avoided his first inning hiccups altogether. A Yadier Molina 3R HR with two outs in the sixth accounted for all the game's scoring.  According to Sheldon, it came on a pitch that wasn't supposed to be:  Ryan Hanigan called for a changeup to start the at-bat. Volquez shook him off and wanted the fastball. A little miss with the location became a very big mistake....  "He wanted a changeup because we got him out the AB before with a breaking ball, changeup and a fastball two-seamer to strike out in his last at-bat," Volquez said. "He was looking straight fastball."  Trust your catchers, guys.

Perhaps in retaliation for Molina's exagerated HR celebration, Aroldis Chapman threw some inside heat when Molina came up in the 8th with two runners on. There was some staring, and both benches were warned.  Dusty Baker told Sheldon that there were no hard feelings about Molina's celebration, but what exactly is he going to say there? 

Back to the drawing board?
The mistake pitch was certainly damaging, but those aren't going to matter if the team fails to score any runs.  Fay reports that Baker's frustrated by the lineup and will "go back to the drawing board."  A lineup shuffle could be in store.  Fay advocates for BP moving to the cleanup spot, but I think he's better suited at the second (or sixth) slot given his declining power.  I'd love to see Bruce hit in front of Votto to get him some more fastballs, but since that's not going to happen I wouldn't mind seeing Bruce bumped up to cleanup.  Kid's gonna get hot, it's just a matter of time. 

Fay - Reds DL Rolen, call up Valaika
Things weren't getting better for Scott Rolen's shoulder, so the team elected to place him on the DL.  He'll be eligible to return on May 6.  The Reds called up Chris Valaika to fill the spot.  I think Valaika is a useful player to have on a roster, but not this one at this time.  Miguel Cairo is now the primary thirdbaseman on the roster, which is a little scary.  Valaika has played almost exclusively at short and second in his career, though he's recently played a few games at the hot corner.  Paul Janish may see some time at third on days Edgar Renteria starts.  Even Chris Heisey could get involved in the 3B mis.  He told Fay:  "I took balls there the other day. As confident as I am in myself . . . just in batting practice, it was amazing how hard guys were hitting balls down there. That ball I hit at home to (Ryan) Roberts, how did he even catch it? I’d be pretty nervous."  Yeah, maybe the Reds should stick with actual infielders here. 

Rehab notes
- Homer Bailey threw 72 pitches yesterday in his second start for Louisville.  In 5 1/3 innings, he allowed three hits, one walk, no runs, and struck out six.  Depending on how he feels today, his next start could be with Cincinnati. 

- Johnny Cueto had a rough rehab start on Thursday for Louisville.  He'll pitch again on Tuesday against Durham.

- Joining Cueto in Louisville will be Fred Lewis.  He's been rehabbing his strained right oblique with Carolina, hitting .261/.370/.391 in seven games for the Mudcats.

Red Hot Mama - Hi, Hello, and Welcome Back: George Grande returns
Reds fans might need some good news, or at least a more positive message, given the team's recent play and rash of injuries.  Thankfully, heaping doses of unbridled optimism are on the way in the form of George Grande.  He'll return tonight on FSO's broadcast of the Reds-Brewers tilt.  You sure won't catch the Grande Man making  double entendres like those we heard from Bobby Valentine last night: "[Eduardo Sanchez] has balls that move all over the place, Orel. Real confident, cocky pitcher."

Happy 47th, Barry!
Barry Larkin is enjoying his new gig with ESPN, as expected. Apparently the Reds Larkin offered Larkin a chance to do some TV games for this season, a la Sean Casey, but he declined due to the complicated travel logistics the job would require. Karen Forgus, senior vice president of business operations, stressed that the team wants to be able to work with Larkin and other former players in the future. "It is important to us culturally we stay connected to as many former Reds as possible," she said. "We are ... interested in former Reds who are involved in broadcasting who could add to the quality of our coverage. Fan feedback on this is fantastic."

C-ing Red - Your 2011 Reds: Extremely Silly Shakespeare Edition
And speaking of birthdays, William Shakespeare's was this past Saturday.  At least, that's when it's celebrated.  Shakespeare may not have much of a baseball connection - with the exception of Pete Rose screaming at Jim Bouton "Fuck you, Shakespeare" after Ball Four was published - but our own andromache has paid a loving tribute to The Bard with quotes matching her favorite Reds.  On Jay: "The course of true love never did run smooth" A Midsummer’s Night Dream – Jay Bruce has a lot of potential, and I do trust that he will be a very good ball player – but he’s still young, and still developing. He hasn’t just come out of the gate slugging like Mantle, and although he had a great last part of the season last year, it’s likely that we’ll see more ups and downs before we see Bruce’s true potential.

Burton undergoes shoulder surgery
Things keep getting better for Jared Burton. He went underwent arthroscopic shoulder surgery in Cincinnati on Friday and will be sidelined "indefinitely." I doubt we see him again this year - or ever again in a Reds uniform.  Which is a shame.  According to Baseball ProspectusMariano Rivera and Burton threw over half of the 500 pitches thrown by right-handed pitchers (from 2008-2010) that traveled at least 90 miles per hour with as much cutting action as Mo’s Sunday nighter.

Star-divide

Brewers eye revenge in upcoming series
Milwaukee has played much better after their season-opening sweep in Cincinnati.  And apparently, they also have a secondbaseman that's not exactly shy when it comes to declaring his team's capabilities.  Rickie Weeks"That's a good team, but I think we're a better team. That's just the way it is. [Series like this] are part of the game, and it's a wakeup call. But we're going to play better."  Hopefully Goodroyo takes the winds out of Milwaukee's sails, and the Reds offense decides to show up. 

Blonde moment? Ryan Braun fan brings proposal sign to Brewers game, gets more attention than she bargained for
Stopping Ryan Braun will be critical to the Reds' fortunes over the next few days.  Braun has enjoyed success on and off the field this year, OPSing 1.167 and signing a contract extension last week that could keep him in Milwaukee through 2020.  Now with long-term stabililty to accompany his hitting prowess, Milwaukee has not seen a bachelor this eligible since Arthur Fonzarelli fixed jukeboxes at Arnold's with a well-placed punch.  Last week, Braun received an ill-advised marriage proposal from a woman attending the Brewers game holding a sign.  The ballpark proposal itself is not so unusual, but what was strange was the woman's decision to list her phone number on the sign. Braun actually called the proposer but she did not answer after receiving a slew of calls from disingenuous suitors.  Braun couldn't even leave a voice mail because her box was full.   Braun: "I guess it wasn't meant to be."

CBS Sports - Overshadowed Janish quietly seizing shot with Reds
This is a couple of weeks old, but I hadn't heard about Dusty's reintroduction of The Bad Man (Rich Aurilia) to the Reds organization as senpai to Paul Janish's cohai.  Less specifically, Aurilia was retained last summer to act as a "psychological tutor" for young Janish.  "Richie had to do it three times," Baker says of his former shortstop having the rug pulled out from under him as a young player. "Paulie had to do it once. "At least this time I had a little more input than last time with Rich."  

There's also this choice Janish quote: "I do more listening to music than playing. I'm more of a hanger-outer than anything else."

BLS - RIP, Stanley: To save their bullpen, Mets sacrifice a toolbox
This is exactly what it sounds like.  Last week the Mets destroyed a team toolbox, Office Space-style, in order to battle the team's bad ju-ju.  The Mets have won six games in a row, and four since the beat-down.

Tater Trot Tracker - Trot Times for April 22
If you saw Brandon Phillips' HR on Friday night, you probably noticed how quick his HR "trot" was.  Turns out it wasn't even the fastest that night.  BP cleared the bases in 18.18 seconds, and the Tracker notes it would have been quicker if the visitors' dugout wasn't on the third base side. Carlos Gomez of the Brewers did not have the dugouts aligned that way and cleared the bases for his HR in 16.93 seconds.

BtB - Expanding to a 10-team Playoff is a Bad Idea
Last Thursday, Bud Selig stated for the record that he believes the playoffs will expand from eight teams to 10 beginning next season.  I'm not a fan of further playoff dilution, and neither is Bill Petti at BtB:  Extrapolating further, the shorter the series, the greater the likelihood that the inferior team could win simply based on chance. Now imagine if MLB decides to go to a 3-game play-in series, or a single game. Sure, it will add some excitement but it will increase the likelihood that an unworthy team will advance in the playoffs.  Not everyone agrees.  BPro asks if adding more teams makes the pennant races and postseason more enjoyable, then why not do it?  Given some of the WS champions of the past ten years, it's a fair point. 

The New Pornographers and The Walkmen are coming to Cincinnati
Call the sitter.  Tomorrow The New Pornographers, the Joey Votto of indie rock due to their Canadianness, and The Walkmen, who lend themselves to no easy Reds analogy, will play at Bogart's.  Yes, please.

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what a waste of talent.

"i would’ve just been like. Votto rapes all, cubs suck and cards are WLBs." -- Big Stein

by GrooveLeg on Apr 25, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ahem

He is a product of UTEP.

"I'm telling you, my other poo story is much better." -- btcoop71

by jch24 on Apr 25, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pitino was a prophet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mtCTjwYjIMk

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
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by btcoop71 on Apr 25, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reposter Bonus - CommentFanShot'd ??

MLBTR talks offseason contract situation – 8 arb-eligible (Homer and Janish for 1st time; EV, Masset, Bray, Burton, Lewis for 2nd time; Hermida 3rd), 2 options (CoCo, BeeP), 3 FAs (Monie, Gomes, Rent).

Predictions: CoCo and Monie walk, Gomes is retained, Homer and EV tendered, Janish not

"i would’ve just been like. Votto rapes all, cubs suck and cards are WLBs." -- Big Stein

by GrooveLeg on Apr 25, 2011 12:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Disagree about Janish

Who’s playing short next year otherwise? Even if they acquire a starting SS this year or offseason, Janish would be a great backup and won’t be terribly expensive his first time in arb.

Agree on everything else.

by ken on Apr 25, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I know this will just come across as Gomes hate, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him let go.

A lot of it will depend on how he does this season. But if he does well, he’ll be an expensive 31 year old LFer with sever platoon splits and terrible defense. If he doesn’t do well, it’s a no brainer.

If any of Sappelt, Alonso, or Frazier hit for anything in AAA, it is also a no-brainer.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
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by nycredsfan on Apr 25, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unless he completely folds, the Reds HAVE to give Sappelt a shot

He may indeed be a career .320 minor league hitter, but until he gets to see some MLB stuff, we can’t prove that. He’s getting better at every stop.

#NotIntendedToBeAFactualStatement

by johnu1 on Apr 25, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

my thinking was that he'll be cheap and Dusty will want him back as a bench player

even though Heisey or Sappelt will be better positioned to win the starting spot.

"i would’ve just been like. Votto rapes all, cubs suck and cards are WLBs." -- Big Stein

by GrooveLeg on Apr 25, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's the point. He'll be kind of cheap, but only if he sucks in 2011.

And if he sucks, why keep him around, especially with so many other choices in the org.?

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Apr 25, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

i agree, i don't even want him around NOW despite his sweet BB%...

the prediction was based on Dusty’s man crush on him and wanting his bat off the bench.

but if i had my way, Gomes wouldn’t have even been on the Reds to start 2011.

"i would’ve just been like. Votto rapes all, cubs suck and cards are WLBs." -- Big Stein

by GrooveLeg on Apr 25, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gomes really isn't Dusty's idea of a great extra OFer though

He can really only play LF, he can’t be a LIDR, and he can’t hit righties (something I think Dusty knows, even if he’s not acting like it)

Billy Hamilton: Snax
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by nycredsfan on Apr 25, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm really surprised he hasn't takeng to 1b at all

he’d be that much more valuable as a sort of LF/1B/DH type, and it just hasn’t happened. I realize 1b isn’t the position to play for the Reds, but still…

Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.

by Cy Schourek on Apr 25, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 25, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah you're probably right... i was just thinking they'd get him for cheaper if he went through arb.

not that it would take a ton to lock him up in the first place.

"i would’ve just been like. Votto rapes all, cubs suck and cards are WLBs." -- Big Stein

by GrooveLeg on Apr 25, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why wouldn't they tender Janish?

What would he really make, $2 mil?

I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. ~ Winston Churchill

by BigBabyBruce on Apr 25, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Less than that

I’ll make a way-too-early-prediction of $1.05 mil.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Apr 25, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

he needs to have a slg and obp north of 300 to be worth a mil...

This .586 ops is for the birds. And historically bad!

"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"

by Ewok on Apr 25, 2011 2:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

It's why it is imperative that the team have beef at 3B

Janish is a .210 hitter and we will always know it.

We will always hope for better but he is a glove, period. That is why we need to seriously fix the 3B problem with something more than reaching into the grab bag and pulling out anything that doesn’t snap off the first two fingers.

END is a disaster and any conclusions to the contrary will be soon met with … didn’t we warn you?

Cairo, Valaika, Frazier, Steinfeld, Sabo, anybody else with 3B on his resume … poor choices.

Rolen is done sooner than we thought he would be. We need to make a trade for a quality 3B. That will not be cheap.

#NotIntendedToBeAFactualStatement

by johnu1 on Apr 25, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's terrible yes, but not historically bad

It’s not even in the top 15 of worst OPS of the last decade (min 400 pa). It’s not in the top 200 worst of the last 50 years.

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by Slyde on Apr 25, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

historically bad could have many different criteria

doesn’t have to be so broad. are those the worst #‘s janish has had in a season? if so, it’s historically bad

by 'tHan on Apr 25, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

if they're willing to give Cairo 2 years, 2 million

Janish is worth $1 million, even if he’s a utility guy.

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by BubbaFan on Apr 25, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it's reasonable

for trying to predict what the Reds will do.

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by BubbaFan on Apr 25, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

its just a bit apples-to-oranges

1st year arb vs. a 36-year-old utility infielder.

Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.

by Cy Schourek on Apr 25, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure why people bash Cairo so much.

All he’s done since he’s been here is produce.

In his 268 PA’s, he’s put up a .290/.350/.403 slash while filling in at 5 positions. I dare you to find another team with utility-man production at that level.

Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Apr 25, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's been incredible

I just feel like the more fate is tempted by starting him regularly, the more likely it is he will turn into a pumpkin.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Apr 25, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or even a cantaloupe.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 25, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because they can't elope?

Cantaloupe?

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 26, 2011 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

No

Because they’re FRUIT you dummy. Fruits getting married to other fruits destroys the sanctity of marriage as an institution.

"I'm telling you, my other poo story is much better." -- btcoop71

by jch24 on Apr 26, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with everything everybody else has said...

Bye-bye CoCo, Monie, Renteria, Gomes, Burton

I think if Homer shows any sense of putting it together for more than 1 month at a time, they sign him through arb period + 1 or 2.

I think they sign a 2 year deal with Janish (similar to the deal they gave Hanigan)

Who knows what things will look like by the time the season is over for Masset, Bray, Lewis & Hermida?

I think it will be interesting to see what the Reds do with BP… in an ideal world, we are able to sign him to a 3-year deal, but if I were BP, I’d want a longer-term deal.

by Nasty N8 on Apr 25, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm afraid he's going to want a deal like Uggla

and that’s far too much. Someone else will pay it, but we shouldn’t.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Apr 25, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree...

But it scares me to think of the downgrade this team faces at 2B once he’s gone…

by Nasty N8 on Apr 25, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

No doubt

I think this is going to be a really difficult situation with no obvious answers.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Apr 25, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Billy Hamilton seems to be a good answer for 2014 and beyond, at least.

But yes, 2B will suck for the short-term if BP walks.

"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428

by sexsalad on Apr 25, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Billy Hamilton's speed and defense are impressive and exciting.

But the kid is in low-A. Pencilling him in anywhere seems super-premature to me.

by andromache on Apr 25, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's why I used the phrase "seems to be" and mentioned that he isn't a short-term answer.

He could definitely still flop but there’s nothing wrong with projecting a top prospect to be a starter 3 or 4 years from now.

"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428

by sexsalad on Apr 25, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Billy H impresses me so far ...

… he seems to have an Ichiro approach to hitting, which is fine if he gets it past the infield.

If not, he’s Willy The Virus reinvented.

If I were running the farm, I’d bring the kid up in Sept. and give him some swings.

#NotIntendedToBeAFactualStatement

by johnu1 on Apr 25, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is why you're not running the farm

The kid’s still in A-ball. Any talk of bringing him up this year is absurd.

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by ThePensive on Apr 25, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

This September?

He is hitting in Dayton right now. You don’t jump a kid that far in one season. He’ll get his September call up in 2013.

I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. ~ Winston Churchill

by BigBabyBruce on Apr 25, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

He can get a callup this Sept. after the Dragons are done.

I guess you could call up Corky Miller if you want. I’d rather see BH get some MLB swings as soon as he can. I didn’t say (and PLEASE read my post if you are confused) to “bring him up” ahead of schedule.

I suppose you could send him back to Buxtahooda after the season is over and let him watch the games on TV.

#NotIntendedToBeAFactualStatement

by johnu1 on Apr 25, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course he "could" get a callup. Anyone could

But why in the world would you call up a 20 year old kid who has never been higher than A ball? You are setting him up to fail.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Apr 25, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

He isn't coming in with any illusions, I would think

So what if he fails? He is only going to get 18-30 AB anyhow. It isn’t like he would be trying to make the team. It’s about getting experience at the top level.

I can understand all the reasons for NOT calling him up and the one you suggest is among them.

I just don’t see that it would wreck him.

I don’t see it as a mistake either way, is my point. He’s a prospect. Let him taste the coffee, no charge.

#NotIntendedToBeAFactualStatement

by johnu1 on Apr 25, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, like BBB

the biggest issue would be the 40-man roster spot.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Apr 25, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

And starting his option clock.

I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. ~ Winston Churchill

by BigBabyBruce on Apr 25, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

That ... you're worrying too much about details

But he may be in Lousyville pretty soon.

#NotIntendedToBeAFactualStatement

by johnu1 on Apr 25, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's not at all a small detail

The Reds have difficult roster decisions to make with guys like Bailey and Arredondo precisely because someone wasn’t worried about their option clocks.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Apr 25, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't be

But also don’t get snippy when people give lots of good reasons why an idea of yours is bad.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Apr 25, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

How can you tell if I am snippy?

I’ve conceded on all points here, just didn’t think that “worry” over a 20-year old infielder’s option clock was too high on the agenda when being on the 40-man was the first issue anyway.

You have a tendency to be condescending on people who don’t have sabremetric insight.

#NotIntendedToBeAFactualStatement

by johnu1 on Apr 25, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

My bad.

I didn’t realize option clocks and roster spots were advanced metrics.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Apr 25, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Ya know, I am just a baseball fan.

All I know is that I read and see and that’s usually enough to keep me interested. I join in when I want to share thoughts on this stuff.

I bear no malice toward anyone.

#NotIntendedToBeAFactualStatement

by johnu1 on Apr 25, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's fine. Neither do I.

But you do tend to get ________ (pick the word that suits you best: defensive, offended, snippy) when everyone disagrees with something you say.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Apr 25, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Depending on how it's approached

Disagreeing is one thing.
Calling the idea stupid or absurd is another.
Using adverbs to amplify disagreement is another, as in “very stupid idea.”

I don’t use that tone when disagreeing, never did. I see it a lot these days.

#NotIntendedToBeAFactualStatement

by johnu1 on Apr 25, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess the only thing I can say is...

how is the option clock not high on the agenda? As soon as he is put on the 40 man you have to start using the players options. We are running into this problem with Bailey, and soon we will run into it with Alonso.

I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. ~ Winston Churchill

by BigBabyBruce on Apr 25, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

and Yonder,

and Yasmani, correct?

Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.

by Cy Schourek on Apr 25, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yasmani isn't a problem.

Yet. The only problem is he takes a spot from someone more deserving. We still have four years to worry about him running out of options.

I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. ~ Winston Churchill

by BigBabyBruce on Apr 25, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

just curious, really

Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.

by Cy Schourek on Apr 25, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

also, it would be monumentally stupid to start his options for 18-20 ABs

Because each year he spends in the minors from here on out burns an option.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Apr 25, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

FINE, just forget it!

As I wrote earlier, sorry I brought it up.

#NotIntendedToBeAFactualStatement

by johnu1 on Apr 25, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

//slams door

"i would’ve just been like. Votto rapes all, cubs suck and cards are WLBs." -- Big Stein

by GrooveLeg on Apr 25, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

//Drinks own piss

/BearGrylls’d

"I'm telling you, my other poo story is much better." -- btcoop71

by jch24 on Apr 25, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

//pees in snake carcass

//carries peed in snake carcass around in hot sun for 2 days through desert
//drinks 2 day old boiling own piss as last resort

/BearGryllsSeason3’d

Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Apr 25, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which I don't understand.

Bear Grylls always said drink the piss as fast as you can because of how quickly it is contaminated by bacteria.

Bear Grylls does whatever the fuck he wants.

I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. ~ Winston Churchill

by BigBabyBruce on Apr 25, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

i bet Bear drinks his own piss on his days off too.

he drinks piss so much it’s almost like he enjoys it.

"i would’ve just been like. Votto rapes all, cubs suck and cards are WLBs." -- Big Stein

by GrooveLeg on Apr 25, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm surprised he hasn't tried to bottle it and mass produce his piss.

I’ll be the first investor for this new sports drink.

I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. ~ Winston Churchill

by BigBabyBruce on Apr 25, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

go GIS "bear grylls piss" right now.

unless you’re unable to… but make sure you do it later because you’re going to laugh hard.

"i would’ve just been like. Votto rapes all, cubs suck and cards are WLBs." -- Big Stein

by GrooveLeg on Apr 25, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hamilton won't see Louisville at all this year.

He might skip Bakersfield just because it is Bakersfield, but you would see him get a long look in AA, before making the jump. Remember this guy has only spent one month in long season ball.

I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. ~ Winston Churchill

by BigBabyBruce on Apr 25, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, he's still learning how to switch hit

and is still very raw from the left side.

There are a lot of reasons to go slow with him.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Apr 25, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely, I am like everyone else.

I want to see this guy playing SS for the Reds right now. But, that is not reality. He has to go through the minors like everyone else, otherwise you are setting him up to fail.

I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. ~ Winston Churchill

by BigBabyBruce on Apr 25, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

not yet!

I want to see him get to Bakersfield and play the SJ Giants on June 13, 14, or 15th. With Grandal. That would be cool.

"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville

by bbjones on Apr 25, 2011 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I suppose the 40-man spot would be the rub.

Anyway, I hope to get over to see the kid play in the next couple of weeks in South Bend.

#NotIntendedToBeAFactualStatement

by johnu1 on Apr 25, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

hell, just bring him up to pinch run once or twice.

In a pennant race, it couldn’t hurt!

Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Apr 25, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

You would have to put him on the 40 man roster.

That would waste a spot for a guy that isn’t ready.

I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. ~ Winston Churchill

by BigBabyBruce on Apr 25, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, now ... that's an aspect that I didn't include

so, yeah, that would have some impact on it.

#NotIntendedToBeAFactualStatement

by johnu1 on Apr 25, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heck, I'll go further.

Not only should we call him up in September, but we should keep him on the 25 man roster if we make the playoffs. He shouldn’t make any starts at all, but would be extremely useful as a pinch runner.

As for options…
http://www.cbabaseball.com/rules/index.php?title=Options_(MLB)

“A player may be eligible for a fourth option year if he has been optioned in three seasons but does not yet have five full seasons of professional experience. A full season is defined as being on an active pro roster for at least 90 days in a season. (If a player is put on the disabled list after earning 60 or more days of service in a single season, his time on the DL is counted.) The 90-day requirement means short-season leagues (New-York Penn, Northwest, Pioneer, Appalachian, Gulf Coast, Arizona Rookie, Dominican and Venezuelan Summer Leagues) do not count as full seasons for the purposes of determining eligibility for a fourth option.8

2009 and 2010 do not count, as their seasons didn’t last 90 days. This year will be his first “full season”. We could use an option on him every year until 2014 if we so desired.

Main issue is the offseason 40 man roster. He doesn’t need to be added for another year or two if we don’t add him now. If he looks like it’ll be 2013 before he’s ready, we’ll have to leave him off. But his speed would be a help for us in the playoffs, and I sure don’t mind him getting a cup of coffee early.

by MatthewH on Apr 25, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still do not think it is wise to use a players options that way.

You still run into the fact that he is not ready, so what really is the point? You are using valuable options years for no reason. You might as well save them for when he is 23 or 24 and in the majors, and could run into struggles. At least at that point you can send him down to AAA to work it out. If we brought him up this year then he would be 24 years old, out of options, and if he struggles you are faced with two options. You could waive him (dumb) or let him continue to struggle at the ML level.

I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. ~ Winston Churchill

by BigBabyBruce on Apr 25, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

/wilymopena'd

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Apr 25, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

That would only be if we optioned him every single year.

If we don’t option him this year or next, then we don’t get the 4th option anyways, so trying to save it until he’s 24 is pointless. I don’t think he’ll bounce back and forth every year for the next four.

Sure, it’s possible that he’ll be Willy Mo Pena. It’s also possible that we’ll lose a playoff series because we don’t have a good pinch runner.

I’m not worried about running him out of options. We didn’t use options on him in 2009 or 2010, and we still have four options left.

by MatthewH on Apr 25, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate to break in on this

Since I clearly have no clue about the topic, but if you are going to piddle around with the guy until 2016, then you start bellyaching that he’s too old. Haven’t heard that lately? Yeah, on Frazier, who hasn’t made it up yet.

If the guy gets to the Bigs and he can play, you know it, you sign him and … so who cares about his options? He’s on the big-league roster. That’s why you sign players, not to fuck around and pretend you’re protecting yourself against some clock. We will sign 6 more kids just like him in the next 3 years.

I agree the clock is useful but … what are you keeping your talent in the minors for … a rainy day?

Give Hamilton some time in September if he’s worthy. Give him another year in the minors and if he’s ready, use him.

Stockpiling talent until they are 26 years old strikes me as practical for parlor games.

#NotIntendedToBeAFactualStatement

by johnu1 on Apr 25, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really? With all the speed on the big league roster, and Sappelt in AAA

you’d risk burning options on a top prospect just to have a fast pinch runner?

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Apr 25, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

y'know,

Kerry Robinson and Reggie Taylor aren’t doing much these days.

Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.

by Cy Schourek on Apr 25, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, the concept was tried

Herb Washington with the A’s during, I think, the 1974 WS.

Herb couldn’t play ball, just run fast. I also recall the Dodger pitcher picked him off first base.

#NotIntendedToBeAFactualStatement

by johnu1 on Apr 25, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

this actually IS a factual statement

I remember this from one of those “strange but true stories of baseball” books I got from the library back when I was a kid.

^my kids will not be able to make sense of this sentence and that frightens me.

Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.

by Cy Schourek on Apr 25, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I mean, I wouldn’t sign either of them- they’ve probably lost a step or two, but it’s not that tough to get a speedy player for the playoffs.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 25, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

What speed on the big league roster?

None on, no outs, tie game, top of the 9th, Hernandez walks.

Hanigan will bat for the pitcher, not a problem there. A pinch runner is automatic.

Who would you use? Renteria? Heisey? END? Cairo?

Right now, our best pinch runner is probably Travis freakin’ Wood. That’s kind of pathetic.

by MatthewH on Apr 25, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heisey is pretty quick

Fred Lewis is pretty quick, assuming he’s on the roster (which I do)

And the point stands. If you are going to make 40-man space to call up a speedy baserunner, might as well just call up Sappelt, who, y’know, might actually be able to hit too.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Apr 25, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is why I think the option is a no-brainer if they can't get a longer term deal done

There will be absolutely no one within the org to take his place in 2012.

In 2013 it’s a possibility that Henry Rodriguez could be a good replacement. I think he’s a decent bet to be as good of a hitter as BP. He’s actually very similar. Not much walking but makes better contact and has a lot of pop for a little guy.

The defense would be a downgrade, but I think we are looking at that regardless of who replaces him.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Apr 25, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd love for BP to stick around until he's 37

but I just don’t see him taking the paycut to make that necessary; or the Reds commit that money to him before they have Votto figured out.

Fortunately, there’s always usually a Todd Walker/Mark Ellis type floating around that can be picked up for a year or two.

Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.

by Cy Schourek on Apr 25, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

we've been spoiled by BP.

i am not counting on similar production by anybody who replaces him. we’ll be like every other team in baseball who bats their 2B in the 8 hole.

"i would’ve just been like. Votto rapes all, cubs suck and cards are WLBs." -- Big Stein

by GrooveLeg on Apr 25, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, this. Also, I wouldn't bet on BP being the same player past about 2013.

Regardless of who is or isn’t there to replace him, I think signing him much past that for any significant amount of money would be a mistake.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Apr 25, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

He’s definitely a great ballplayer, but defensive 2Bs don’t age well at all.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Apr 25, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sound like you met up with some of the smart ones.

Congratulations.

#NotIntendedToBeAFactualStatement

by johnu1 on Apr 25, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

how's that outfield of yours doin?

the cards have the best offensive outfield in the game. you can have phillips to win one position, we’ll take the better of the rest of the 8 positions.

by miamigirl54 on Apr 25, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm honestly curious of hte projection of Rasmus v. Stubbs

Colby’s obviously the better hitter, Stubbs the defender.

Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.

by Cy Schourek on Apr 25, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

only time will tell

i believe dusty’s main concern as a skipper (when he first arrived) was votto’s defense, look how that turned out. Rasmus barely has his feet wet, he’s got the athleticism to back it up

by miamigirl54 on Apr 25, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Votto's a really, really, league average defender.

he’s not Pujols with the glove, but then again, nobody is.

What did I do to make you my enemy?

Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.

by Cy Schourek on Apr 25, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you're underselling Votto's defense

He picks ‘em pretty well and his range is at least decent. And by UZR, Pujols hasn’t been an elite defender in a few years.

by ken on Apr 25, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

shoulda had Janish playing first, too.

Janish woulda caught that.

"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville

by bbjones on Apr 25, 2011 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not really sure what makes an elite 1b defender, honestly

Derrek Lee always impressed me with his lankiness and ability to catch the ball in the splits, but apparently he couldn’t move 2 steps to his right to save his life.

Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.

by Cy Schourek on Apr 25, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're a Reds fan.

They suck and aren’t classy like she is.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 25, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

i was giving vottos defense a compliment

pujols has given votto some golden glove tips, and espn last night compared them. votto’s defense has gotten better since he first put on the reds uniform.

no hard feelings at all lol

by miamigirl54 on Apr 25, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

idk how your comment made any sense

he was always a red, its not like he was bad with the glove then went over to us.

LTP is for Stubbs only!

by OGC Reds on Apr 25, 2011 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

bakers main concern

was vottos defense his first season as a manager (and vottos rookie season with the reds) he’s gotten better over the years defensively (and offensively)

by miamigirl54 on Apr 25, 2011 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hahahahaha

I love ripping Cardinals fans a new one.

First of all. Who just won the MVP? Oh yeah, JOEY VOTTO.
Let’s look at shortstop. Hmm, Janish provides awesome defense and is hitting quite well, Theriot provides shit.
How about third base? Freese and Rolen will both miss about the same amount. And Freese’s defense is shit.
Yadier used his whole offense for the entire year this series.
Colby Rasmus is named after a fucking cheese.
Lance Berkman is about to turn into a pumpkin… unless he gets hurt first.
Holliday? He certainly makes flyballs to left field interesting, I’ll give him that.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 25, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

stay classy

as none of your opinions are adequete minus joey votto. congrats? he won his first mvp in how many years? 5? I think I’ll take Pujols over him anyday. Pujols came in 1st or 2nd in the mvp voting all but 1 season in his career.
theroit: apparently you haven’t seen him play this season..or like ever. his defense is decent, and his bat has come through-for the cards at least- this season. Janish can throw a ball, congrats.
cards outfield>reds outfield offensively. defensively its reds>cards.

by miamigirl54 on Apr 25, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, no. You're the one who should stay classy!

And how old are you anyway? 16? 15? By telling you to

I’m probably going to get a call from Chris Hansen.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 25, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Crolfer's our resident Card-hater

you would be too if you grew up in Columbia.

Look, I’d rather have Janish than Theriot, Hernanigans then Molina, and so on and so forth. I’m really, really, ok with the Reds squad besides the Rolen-sized hole at thirdbase.

And honestly, what’s up with those “We are Cardinals Nation” ads? Aren’t those kinda creepy and Leini Reifenstahl?

Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.

by Cy Schourek on Apr 25, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

They want to be Boston.

I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. ~ Winston Churchill

by BigBabyBruce on Apr 25, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

ewww let's not, everyone hates boston lol

I do hope Rolen gets healthy, i really wanted to see that matchup. His defense isn’t what it used to be (chronic shoulder injury) but at least they put in another ex cardinal to fill his spot. (dude, seriously jocketty needs to find new players: renteria, rolen, cairo) lol

by miamigirl54 on Apr 25, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cairo doesn't count... he has played for like 12 teams.

GM’s go with guys they are familiar with. The best thing he did was trade for Edmonds and then instructed our doctors to ruin his career.

I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. ~ Winston Churchill

by BigBabyBruce on Apr 25, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I understand Pujols and all

but I cannot fathom wanting my child to emulate Chris Carpenter.

Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.

by Cy Schourek on Apr 25, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Spartans threw their children off a cliff for acting like Chris Carpenter.

I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. ~ Winston Churchill

by BigBabyBruce on Apr 25, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Chris Carpenter threw his wife off the roof for giving him lip.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 25, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

he was married to Bo Diaz?

Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.

by Cy Schourek on Apr 25, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Possibly.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 25, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

How did he explain that to his son ...

… that the kid had to go visit his mother in the hospital.

#NotIntendedToBeAFactualStatement

by johnu1 on Apr 25, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm assuming the son went off right after the mother.

No explanation needed.

I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. ~ Winston Churchill

by BigBabyBruce on Apr 25, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anybody have an illustration?

I know I don’t have anything that even remotely portrays this heinous event.

#NotIntendedToBeAFactualStatement

by johnu1 on Apr 25, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

You intend to come on RR and have a genuine dispute like this?

This board will EAT YOU ALIVE!

#NotIntendedToBeAFactualStatement

by johnu1 on Apr 25, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really like it when you get fired up and irrational.

I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. ~ Winston Churchill

by BigBabyBruce on Apr 25, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me too.

But she started it.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 25, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now she's stalking me.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 25, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Get mean.

Or nice.

But, please stay irrational.

I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. ~ Winston Churchill

by BigBabyBruce on Apr 25, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

What if she finds out where I live?

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 25, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then find out where she lives.

I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. ~ Winston Churchill

by BigBabyBruce on Apr 25, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've already narrowed it down to Miami.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 25, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

what if that was to throw you off?

i secretly live in alaska, and uhh…a 40 year old man. o_O what else do us alaskan’s have to do? can’t do much outside when its cold. lol
p.s. i’m on your street now. nice place

by miamigirl54 on Apr 25, 2011 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks.

Come on in. Ignore the ziploc bags full of insects. And that decomposing hooker duct taped to the couch. She’s from an earlier game thread. Kinda forgot about her.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 25, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

When you decide to move her, use vodka to dissolve the tape's glue.

Seriously, don’t pull the tape.

I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. ~ Winston Churchill

by BigBabyBruce on Apr 25, 2011 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

is that you in his kitchen?

i have plenty of vodka in my creeper van.

by miamigirl54 on Apr 25, 2011 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.

It’s making me uncomfortable.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 26, 2011 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

kiss her, you fool!

"Nobody hits Satchel." -Satchel Paige

by justin007000 on Apr 26, 2011 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

She might turn me into a newt.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 26, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm already outside his house

he has to come to the creepin van to meet me halfway lol

by miamigirl54 on Apr 28, 2011 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Either you have the wrong house

or you have some wicked camoflauge on that van.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 28, 2011 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

no need to move her.

Crolf knows how to use these.

"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville

by bbjones on Apr 26, 2011 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I assumed

that was the reason he had her.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Apr 26, 2011 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

... You guys know me too well.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 26, 2011 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I rec this suggestion

Do Not Ever let yourself slip like you did on Saturday with that WLB fan. We have that one on tape, Crolfer.

Bugs are counting on you.

#NotIntendedToBeAFactualStatement

by johnu1 on Apr 25, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

this made me laugh

"Nobody hits Satchel." -Satchel Paige

by justin007000 on Apr 25, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me too

The prospect of me behaving rationally is pretty outrageous.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 25, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is a photo that shows this in more graphic terms

But … not today. No, this is a very serious matter.

#NotIntendedToBeAFactualStatement

by johnu1 on Apr 25, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it is pretty optimistic to think Rodriguez will hit as well as BP

He doesn’t have much power, and he walks about as much as END. I think you are looking at Orlando Cabrera as a best-case scenario for what he could do as a hitter.

by kcgard2 on Apr 25, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

whaaa?

He doesn’t walk much, but he makes excellent contact. And he had above average power last year (.475 SLG, .165 ISO)

And he’s only 21, so it’s very reasonable to think there could be more power in there.

Also, Orlando Cabrera pretty much sucked as a hitter his entire way up through the minors. Not once did he post a line as good as Rodriguez in 2010.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Apr 25, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

An Orlando Cabrera was a shortstop.

And such.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 25, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Henry Rodriguez' career high BB%

would easily be a career low for OCab. Similar power profiles, maybe Rodriguez has slightly more power potential, but he definitely gives that value back with his batting eye.

We need more info with Rodriguez really, before we can say how much power he is likely to have. I would say that .165 ISO doesn’t mean a lot to me being in A ball and being his first real exposure to pro pitching at all. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if that number ended up around .110 this year. His profile is just one that i don’t have any faith in at all.

Also, OCab had solid MiLB numbers in ’96 and ’97 across three levels (1.25 K/BB). Plate discipline means a lot more to me in the minors than just about anything else for a hitter, especially if the supposed strong suits are just average. And the weaknesses are really weak.

by kcgard2 on Apr 25, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

And we see where that plate discipline got him in the bigs

Also, don’t expect that low of an ISO if Rodriguez is in Bakersfield all year. In fact, it could easily hit .200 in that instance.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Apr 25, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, discounting the Bakersfield effect...

prospects elicit a great deal of disagreement, don’t they? And that’s fine.

What about Frazier for 2B after next year? Does the organization just hate this guy or what? He could fill a lot of important roles for us if you ask me. But he’s “blocked” by Cairo and the auditioning END. Pretty weak.

by kcgard2 on Apr 25, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd try it.

But since they tried it and only let it last a couple weeks, I’m guessing it’s a no-go.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Apr 25, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

even three years might be too much

I was reading an analysis the other day that suggested middle infielders should not be signed past age 32, because they fall off a cliff defensively then, and usually don’t have the bat to be valuable if moved to other positions.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Apr 25, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

they think the reds pick up CMM's option ...

… no way

"And a high fly ball to center field. He hit it a ton. And the 2010 National League Central Division Champs are the Cincinnati Reds!"

by joshuar9476 on Apr 25, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fred Lewis' .370 OBP would sure look great at the top of the lineup vs. righties

I have no problem with Gomes cleanup against lefties. Against righties, slot Lewis in to leadoff and then you have a ton of options.

Stubbs 4th, Bruce 4th, Hernandez 4th.

Regardless, I don’t want to see BP moved out of the 2 spot. It is the perfect spot for him.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Apr 25, 2011 12:15 PM EDT reply actions  

This.

No way can BP go back to clean-up. His approach becomes completely different in a very negative way in the 4 slot.

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Apr 25, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

Also, he’s a fantastic fastball hitter, and that’s mostly what he sees in front of Votto.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Apr 25, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I feel like now that he's batting in front of Votto his focus is to simply get on base as often as he can.

And it’s been working.

I like him in the cleanup spot theoretically, but I don’t want his approach to at bats to go back to what it used to be.

"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428

by sexsalad on Apr 25, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Saw the Walkmen open for the Black Keys in Glasgow last fall...

The Walkmen were flat out rocking it, but the crowd had no idea who they were or any of their songs; they were just there for the Black Keys. It was like they were playing into a vacuum as all the energy they were putting out was just sucked out of the room.

The Black Keys came on and put on an incredible show and the audience was eating it up… it was pretty funny to see the juxtaposition

by Nasty N8 on Apr 25, 2011 12:31 PM EDT reply actions  

do the Walkmen really rock outside of The Rat?

Everything else I’ve heard from them tends to be more indie.

Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.

by Cy Schourek on Apr 25, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was on the indie side of rocking,

But they really bring an energy live that you don’t quite feel from their studio work. Either that or they felt they had to take it to 11 since the audiences weren’t interested in Europe.

by Nasty N8 on Apr 25, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Saw them open for Kaiser Chiefs and saw the same thing

Agree they’re tremendous live. So are the NPs, especially if Neko’s there.

by ken on Apr 25, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

God she is such a golddigger.

Where was that sign-toting lady before Braun signed the contract extension? Unbelievable.

by Cuetotally Amazing on Apr 25, 2011 12:32 PM EDT reply actions  

The "balls that move all over the place" comment from Valentine

elicited a great deal of chuckles from me and my friends watching the game last night.

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.

by -ManBearPig on Apr 25, 2011 12:35 PM EDT reply actions  

The Walkmen are absolutely electric live.

And I hear that Jonny Gomes has joined the band this year.

by FordhamRam on Apr 25, 2011 12:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Jay Bruce in the cleanup spot

may well be the answer down the road (this season even, hopefully) but right now he sucks horribly and offers Votto zero protection.

I mean, he’s pressing so hard, he needs to be moved down in the order (or benched for a few games), not up.

He fixes the cable?

by Colin Auscapee on Apr 25, 2011 12:37 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd rather see him in the 2-spot

If there is any place where a struggling hitter can get himself on track and boost his confidence, it’s hitting front of Joey Votto and seeing nothing but fastballs.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Apr 25, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

did he look like anything in leadoff?

He could be quite the unconventional #2 hitter until Rolen comes back (which he will, right? RIGHT?)

Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.

by Cy Schourek on Apr 25, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rolen

I have a really bad feeling about him. He could be out for a very long time, and we all know how Scott Rolen’s Reds play without their namesake.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Apr 25, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

i feel like season ending (perhaps career ending) shoulder surgery is upon us

"And a high fly ball to center field. He hit it a ton. And the 2010 National League Central Division Champs are the Cincinnati Reds!"

by joshuar9476 on Apr 25, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think all of this is a little bit melodramatic

With the exception of MBP. I don’t think we’re going to see good defense and an 800+ OPS while consistently staying in the lineup anymore.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Apr 25, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think his shoulder is achy and he is old

he needs time off, and he’ll be fine by June.

"Nobody hits Satchel." -Satchel Paige

by justin007000 on Apr 25, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep

#NotIntendedToBeAFactualStatement

by johnu1 on Apr 25, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I'm afraid of that, too

I read the other day that David Wright might be made available this summer and I dreamed a bit of having him hit behind Votto. I don’t think Rolen is kaputnik, and as ‘creds just said, I still think he’s probably good for an .800 OPS and good defense. But next season may just be a season too long.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Apr 25, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, David Wright. Don't tease me.

He’s expensive for a team like the Reds, but he could hit 40 homers at GABP

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Apr 25, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had no idea UZR hated his defense so much.

And his other numbers (DRS, FSR, TZ) kind of agree. He’s been all over the place year to year, but the total picture is of a liability at 3B rather than an asset. I kind of had that the other way around in my thinking about him.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Apr 25, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

even still, he's not shabby

Wright is probably the new Hanley in “Reds we’ll never have but I’ll always want”

Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.

by Cy Schourek on Apr 25, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me too

Zimmerman’s a couple of years younger and a very well-rounded hitter. Not that Wright isn’t, but he’s regressed some from a few years ago. Mets fans will say that he’s compensated for the spacious new park, which could be so. Still, it’s a little troubling to see a great hitter in his early 20s increase his strikeouts as much as he has. But mostly, I just like watching Zimmerman play defense.

by ken on Apr 25, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is always a damned yabbit ...

Fix this problem, please. Get back to us with the details.

Thanks,
The fans

#NotIntendedToBeAFactualStatement

by johnu1 on Apr 25, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

As the Nationals are always on the lookout for ex-Reds

What if we say they can have Gomes, Lincoln, Burton, and Francisco in exchange…

They do kind of owe us after the Kearns trade…

by Nasty N8 on Apr 25, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only problem is......

We don’t have the trading rights to Lincoln, and you cannot trade a players on the DL.

Otherwise I’m for it, lets get the lawyers to fix this problem.

I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. ~ Winston Churchill

by BigBabyBruce on Apr 25, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do-overs.

We get Dunn for Felix Lopez and deal him to CWS, the W.Sux get Masset, Griffey goes to Seattle and Randy Johnson signs on with the Redlegs as a LOOGY.

#NotIntendedToBeAFactualStatement

by johnu1 on Apr 25, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's a shame you have to say this about Thompson

Not that he is a value, but it’s a shame that he isn’t. So close, dammit, he might have been.

#NotIntendedToBeAFactualStatement

by johnu1 on Apr 25, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

especially since I saw his first MLB start

in Yankee Stadium. I want that to be something I can tell my grandkids about.

Well, I suppose I still can, but they won’t care.

Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.

by Cy Schourek on Apr 25, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, of course.

I thought we were just dreaming of NL East all-stars.

by the finest muffins on Apr 25, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like it-- "Future Red David Wright."

Besides, famous people named Wright belong in southwest Ohio.

by the finest muffins on Apr 25, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

whenever the Reds replace Bakersfield

they shuold definitely do it with some Coastal Carolina team, just so that prospects can go from Dayton to North Carolina.

Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.

by Cy Schourek on Apr 25, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

On bicycles?

I wonder if David Wright has a brother.

by the finest muffins on Apr 25, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Every time I see him, he makes those sidearm flips to 1st that bounce in the dirt. He catches the ball, but I just don’t get why guys are so attached to sidearming it.

by ol Pete on Apr 25, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, but as 'ycred also just said,

“I dreamed a bit of…Votto”
So can we trust his objectivity?
(Taking quotes out of context is fun!)

by Cuetotally Amazing on Apr 25, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, yeah.

The only way I’d be OK with BP going to cleanup is if Bruce moved to the 2 spot. But I’ll bet my left arm that if BP goes to 4, Cairo goes to 2. And that is not okay.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Apr 25, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

no it is not.

Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.

by Cy Schourek on Apr 25, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

man, you just ruined my day with that thought.

Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.

by Cy Schourek on Apr 25, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

And it's absolutely what will happen, no? I mean, can anyone else think of a more plausible scenario?

Gomes will still be cleanup tonight against a lefty, but I won’t be at all surprised to see this on Tuesday:

Stubbs
Cairo
Votto
BP
Gomes
Bruce
Hernandez
Janish

That is not a good lineup

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Apr 25, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

so what's the hope otherwise?

That Frazier or END comes up and tears the cover off the ball? That wont happen for a couple of weeks, by when Cairo’s really gonna start to wear down. I doubt Renteria will have the bat to keep him in the lineup at Janish at 3rd.

Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.

by Cy Schourek on Apr 25, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

The hope is that either END gets healthy and is at least decent

or that they remember that Frazier is in the org.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Apr 25, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really Really?

That is something I think I can support, as long as Phillips keeps the same approach.

I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. ~ Winston Churchill

by BigBabyBruce on Apr 25, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

that is probably a better spot

and I worry about Jay facing the LOOGY teams will frequently use against Votto (when they don’t just IBB him).

by Red_Poodle on Apr 25, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

He still would not see many fastballs

he simply doesn’t force pitchers to come into the zone at all right now.

by kcgard2 on Apr 25, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sometimes that movement in the lineup can do funny things

I think Gomes provides a little protection for Bruce as compared to the butt-end of the lineup.

by Nasty N8 on Apr 25, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I personally like Rolen there.

Later this season even after Bruce gets on track, I still think Rolen is easily the best option for the cleanup spot.

Once Rolen retires, goes somewhere else or gets so old that he becomes bad that’s when I think Bruce will be the best option for the cleanup spot.

"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428

by sexsalad on Apr 25, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

awesome

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.

by -ManBearPig on Apr 25, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

so I somehow stumbled upon a Shaggy Bevo thread about Sam LeCure

and apparently after winning the CWS, LeCure did some sort of dance. Everyone at Shaggy Bevo knows of “The Sam Dance” and I really, really, want to see what it is.

Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.

by Cy Schourek on Apr 25, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good link from Jamie Ramsey on a slow Monday afternoon

Updated Reds at-bat music

Things I love about this:
BP has 5 different choices
Renteria says “anything by 2Pac”
Travis Wood is one of the only starters to have picked music, and the title includes the word “redneck”

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Apr 25, 2011 1:36 PM EDT reply actions  

I knew there was a reason why Wood was one of my favorite players.

I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. ~ Winston Churchill

by BigBabyBruce on Apr 25, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know we make fun of the Cardinals and they deserve it

but Theriot comes out to “Fight For Your Right (to party)” which is alright, and Berkman come out to Elvis Presley’s “Let me be your teddy bear” which absolves him from all hatred from the past decade.

Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.

by Cy Schourek on Apr 25, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've never hated Berkman, because he is a stand up guy it seems.

He just pisses me off because he plays for another team, and kills the Reds. The same goes for Pujols, except there might be a little hate in there.

I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. ~ Winston Churchill

by BigBabyBruce on Apr 25, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

and also, as good as Sister Christian was

I would have done most anything to have Adam Dunn make his at-bat music Dominic the Christmas Donkey.

Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.

by Cy Schourek on Apr 25, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

The only players on the WLB who remotely piss me off are ...

… the ones who keep attempting to make a big deal out of poor sportsmanship.
Yaddy and the Carp come to mind but that could be just my imagination. All this incited “anger” seems so childish to me.

#NotIntendedToBeAFactualStatement

by johnu1 on Apr 25, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm with you there, john

I also kinda dislike Yadi because he’s seriously overrated IMHO.

by kcgard2 on Apr 25, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Compared to a wheelbarrow with arms, he's not

He is a decent catcher, good throwing arm … and … and … and …

I druther have Hernanigans.

#NotIntendedToBeAFactualStatement

by johnu1 on Apr 25, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only thing I'm getting from this

is that assholes listen to good music.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 25, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not an asshole.

I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. ~ Winston Churchill

by BigBabyBruce on Apr 25, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he's allowed to come off next Saturday or so

So we’re looking at at least a week of Miguelito in the lineup

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Apr 25, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of all the David Wright stuff,

it seems like most writers are assuming Reyes will get dealt this year too. I think he could be a much more cost-effective pickup.

For one, he’ll literally cost less in dollars, and would definitely cost less in prospects too. Add to that the fact that the SS position is much thinner in the org, and would probably be the easiest upgrade to the current team, and I think he would make a lot of sense.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Apr 25, 2011 2:25 PM EDT reply actions  

I would love Jose Reyes

he would be a huge upgrade

LTP is for Stubbs only!

by OGC Reds on Apr 25, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reyes would have to be re-signed though.

With Wright, you’ve got 2012 and a club option for 2013, and you could potentially tell him to suck it up and learn a little LF for the occasional game when Rolen’s available.

I’d give up Mesoraco, Homer/Leake, Heisey/Sappelt, and a low-level pitcher for him.

Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Apr 25, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

mets would not do that deal for wright solo

"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"

by Ewok on Apr 25, 2011 2:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Agreed.

It would/should get Reyes easy (it would actually be an overpay). But Wright is going to cost a fortune.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Apr 25, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno

Like I say above, the bloom is off the rose some with Wright. I think peaking at 24 scares enough teams away to drive his value down.

by ken on Apr 25, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps

But you also have a guy in the middle of his prime under reasonable cost control for 2 more years after this one.

And enough teams will attribute the regression Citi field. Also, just looked at his numbers, and he has never posted an OPS+ below 124. He’s an elite hitter who will demand a huge price.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Apr 25, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sticking with past his prime

Also, while he’s still a good deal financially for the next few years, it’s not like he’s a bargain. He’s owed 29M for this and next year plus an option for 16M for 2013. If we were to do the whole JinAZ thing, the surplus value for the next two years would be about 10M – considerable but not overwhelming (I’m assuming he’s a 4 WAR guy in a 5M/win world). Meso plus a B prospect would be more than fair for that.

by ken on Apr 25, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

No way.

When you are trading for that guy, surplus value isn’t all that matters. Actual value matters too, even if you are paying for it.

Meso has considerable trade value, but I think it would either take another top prospect or 2-3 besides him.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Apr 25, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean, what you are talking about for Wright

is just a bit more than what the Cards gave up for a half-season of Holliday.

To me they were somewhat similar players in terms of value when Holliday was traded, yet you get Wright for 2.5 seasons. (but only 1.5 if you don’t want him)

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Apr 25, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Cards got Holliday for Brett Wallace and two guys I'm not familiar with

It’s very possible I’m overrating Meso here, but there’s tremendous value in even a league-average catcher for three years at the minimum. I don’t see Brett Wallace as having anything near that value.

Also, I understand what you’re saying about actual value. If we were talking about a larger market team instead of the Reds I might agree with you. Of course, I don’t see the Reds even considering another 3B unless Rolen actually retires, or they’re convinced that he’s done.

by ken on Apr 25, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I agree. I'm actually making the argument that Wright would be way too expensive for the Reds.

But someone will pay for him, if he’s really available.

Also, re: Wallace, he was the #40 ranked prospect at the time of the trade, and #27 the year after. Similar to Meso. I agree a catcher has more value, but the point is that it’ll take more than that to get a guy like Wright, I think.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Apr 25, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

For his sake, I hope he's traded

I do think his salary is going to eliminate a number of teams, plus a lot of the richer teams are already set at 3B (NYY, BOS, PHL). But all it takes is one team.

Pretty amazing to see that Wallace was ranked that high, once you’ve seen him on the field.

by ken on Apr 25, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think there was a thought for a while that he'd stick at 3B

which would make him a lot more valuable.

I think it’ll depend on how desperate the Mets are to trade him. There will definitely be interested teams, and they’ll try to lowball them.

I think the most likely scenario is the Mets get a decent return for him in exchange for taking on a big chunk of the salary.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Apr 25, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you confident enough in Grandal to unload Meso?

Even for a top 3B, I have to hope that’s not too much.

#NotIntendedToBeAFactualStatement

by johnu1 on Apr 25, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I seriously wonder if Mets would even care if Wright were to be traded

It seems an organization comprised of institutional zombies.

#NotIntendedToBeAFactualStatement

by johnu1 on Apr 25, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

But to me Reyes only being signed through this year is a good thing

He’ll be much cheaper to acquire, for one.

Two, this org doesn’t need to be taking on too many more long-term financial obligations. If they want to re-sign him, great. If not, take the draft picks and move on.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Apr 25, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reyes would be great in leadoff

plus it would move Stubbs back to 6th or so where his power is better used and instead of cairo or END as Rolen’s primary backup you could put Janish in that spot and he would still get to play 2-3 times a week backing up Rolen and Reyes

by vottomatic on Apr 25, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

janish is not a replacement level 3b

I definitely want a bigger bat at the hot corner. Jani can be a backup ss/2b only.

He’s rick auerbach!

"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"

by Ewok on Apr 25, 2011 2:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Janish can play 3B

But moving him from SS doesn’t make you better at SS or 3B.

#NotIntendedToBeAFactualStatement

by johnu1 on Apr 25, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

current affairs

Lf is an offensive black hole.
Ss is an offensive even blacker hole
3b is below replacement level offense
jay bruce ain’t bringin it

Need more runs!

Are there enough bullets in the trade gun to upgrade? Im done with roar and yonder. Im almost done with soft j, id like to see cozart up here by AS break.

"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"

by Ewok on Apr 25, 2011 2:39 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

how is LF a black hole?

gomes’ avg might be low but his other numbers arent bad .386 OBP .530 SLG meaning 916 OPS. Now it might be below avg for LFers, but it aint a blackhole. He’s also leading team in HR and RBI

Janish at SS might be a black hole but with a 277 avg he aint terrible compared to most big league SS. Honestly ppl on this board underrate our SS of the past years so horribly it’s not funny. There’s very few Hanley Ramirez type SS out there. MOST starting SS in the league are going to hit about what Janish is doing, or worse and definitely play worse defense than the guy.

Now with 3B and Bruce you got solid points. Even Rolen’s numbers are not good. Still, at least do a little bit of homework before making posts like these. :[

by cokane on Apr 25, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

btw a little bit more on Gomes

as is said
1st on team rbi
1st on team hr
2nd on team ops
3rd on team obp
2nd on team slg

how that translates into “offensive black hole” is beyond me

by cokane on Apr 25, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

you forgot

1st on team in Mohawks.

Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Apr 25, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only statistic that matters.

Also add in the fact Guns N’ Roses play his batting song.

I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. ~ Winston Churchill

by BigBabyBruce on Apr 25, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

xflip bonus fer sure

Best reds ab music since sister christian.

"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"

by Ewok on Apr 25, 2011 5:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

lets take a look at SS around the div for comparison too

cuz it doesnt get said enough here sometimes how other SS are doing

Starlin Castro obv doing great having an MVP type season so far. He’s a 1 in a million type player though
avg 376 obp 402 slg 505

Angel Sanchez of Hou having a decent year so far
291/330/372

Theriot of STL hitting really well so far but also 6 E on the season. And as we saw in the series not a great defensive SS
311/361/356
also i doubt he maintains that level of offense

Betancourt of MIL pretty comparably to Janish
243/272/311

And Cedeno of PIT just an example of how much worse an SS can be at the plate than J
197/235/246

Janish:
277/294/292

Do any of these guys play defense as well as Janish? I dunno I haven’t seen them all, and it’s a bit harder to measure, but I kinda doubt it.

by cokane on Apr 25, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Betancourt is a defensive liability.

Starlin Castro is probably an average defender at SS.
Ryan Theriot is about average.
Ronny Cedeno is about average.
Angel Sanchez is probably a little below average.

I’d as soon have Janish playing SS for the Reds as any of these guys other than Castro.

by Grahamophone on Apr 25, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I'd also like to add that it is very doubtful that he will hit this poorly all season.

The Reds are going to be fine. Rolen will come back and be a fine (if part time) player. Everything else is going as planned. The retention of staring pitching depth in the offseason has already paid dividends with LeCure and Leake filling in for Cueto and Bailey.

Take a step, breathe a deep breath, and smile, fellow Reds fans. Last year was good, this year will be fine, and it should get even better.

by Grahamophone on Apr 25, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

to be fair

Compare janish stats to ss on winning teams, not just the nl central.

Goshen’s prom queen doesn’t compare to 100th hottest lakota undergrad! (Analogy can be bumped up to MAC vs PAC 10 cheerleaders also)

I love gomes attitude, but by midseason his statline will demonstrate he’s a 4th on a good team…

"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"

by Ewok on Apr 25, 2011 5:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

4th outfielder

Oooops.

Stupid mobile rr!

"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"

by Ewok on Apr 25, 2011 5:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

but, alas, all based on SSS

And we are missing the statline of the 2010 nl central division champions ss, I notice.

Ha!

"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"

by Ewok on Apr 25, 2011 6:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

.657 ops > .586 ops

Ocab is a winner, year in and year out!!!!

"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"

by Ewok on Apr 25, 2011 9:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

except when playing "hurt" in the playoffs.

that bastard.

Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Apr 25, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

well your analysis of janish

was based on SSS of 2011 so i only thought it fair

but you’re also ignoring my larger point that year in year out in modern baseball era SS has been a weak offensive position

by cokane on Apr 25, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

Even Hanley Ramirez isn’t hitting that well so far.

.182 / .299 / .242

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Apr 25, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

They should trade him to the Reds.

They need an upgrade… we can send them Janish.

I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. ~ Winston Churchill

by BigBabyBruce on Apr 25, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why on EARTH did that Fox reporter think it was necessary to interview the woman?

She’s what … the first fan to ever hold up a “marry me” sign at a sports event?

#NotIntendedToBeAFactualStatement

by johnu1 on Apr 25, 2011 2:42 PM EDT reply actions  

well she did put her phone number on there too, plus she's blonde

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Apr 25, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

The phone number

tv guys had a lot of conversation about what a mistake it was and of course as soon as it was up she was getting calls.

by ol Pete on Apr 25, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Braun's reaction was pretty funny

he seems like a pretty amusing guy (even if he didn’t say that thing about Prince lol)

by Red_Poodle on Apr 25, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here is a really big question, and one thing that really pisses me off about teh Fya.

How is Miguel Cairo suited to bat #2? I’m boondoggled.

I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. ~ Winston Churchill

by BigBabyBruce on Apr 25, 2011 3:33 PM EDT reply actions  

I hate her.

I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. ~ Winston Churchill

by BigBabyBruce on Apr 25, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think all cheerleaders look alike

Unless they are blondes, then they still all look alike.
Unless they are Asians or other minorities, and then they still look alike.

#NotIntendedToBeAFactualStatement

by johnu1 on Apr 25, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I bet she is a whiny little bitch

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Apr 25, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

In other news

TLR must have fucked Aphrodite.

"I'm telling you, my other poo story is much better." -- btcoop71

by jch24 on Apr 25, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

everyone has their price.

Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Apr 25, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

she looks like a bitch.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 25, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

not impressed

She might take well to the botox and breast augmentations however.

Stay tuned!

"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"

by Ewok on Apr 25, 2011 5:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Did Molina curtain call after helping start The Brawl too?

"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Apr 25, 2011 3:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Molina ... doesn't get enough credit ...

for having ended Jason LaRue’s career.

#NotIntendedToBeAFactualStatement

by johnu1 on Apr 25, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

i support bat tapping anyone with neck tats

"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"

by Ewok on Apr 25, 2011 5:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

johnny cueto

was the douche that ended LaRue’s career. Chapman obviously wanted to start crap with Yadier again, it wasn’t happening. Smirk all you want, the cards still hit off ya, and Molina got the last laugh. Cards win.

by miamigirl54 on Apr 25, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, honey, you've obviously never seen Chapman pitch

Dude didn’t want to start anything. He just rarely has any idea where the ball is going.

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Apr 25, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Hug Plane

Yep, here it is again.

#NotIntendedToBeAFactualStatement

by johnu1 on Apr 25, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bruce in the #2 spot today

and coincidentally, don’t you think Renteria is kicking himself for refusing 3b? He’d be a starter right now…

Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.

by Cy Schourek on Apr 25, 2011 5:41 PM EDT reply actions  

He can accept it whenever he wants.

Unless Dusty is holding a grudge cause Renteria was being a dooooosh.

I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. ~ Winston Churchill

by BigBabyBruce on Apr 25, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

he said something of not wanting to be 3b

I think Edgar’s kinda pissed because he thought he’d be the starting SS. He’s not bitching to the media, but he sure doesn’t seem THRILLED, I dunno.

Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.

by Cy Schourek on Apr 25, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jocketty must have refused to speak Spanish at the negotiating table.

Ok, thats kinda racist.

I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. ~ Winston Churchill

by BigBabyBruce on Apr 25, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

he said he wasn't comfortable there

And I think once they saw his arm, they realized why.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Apr 25, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wet noodle?

Slinky?

Wet paper bag?

Flaccid penus?

I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. ~ Winston Churchill

by BigBabyBruce on Apr 25, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

BK's grandmother has a better arm than Renteria

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Apr 25, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lineup. I like, given the circumstances

Stubbs
Bruce
Votto
BP
Gomes
Cairo
Hanigan
Janish
Arroyo

Billy Hamilton: Snax
Devin Mesoraco: Snacks

by nycredsfan on Apr 25, 2011 5:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Woah, is that two lefties in a row?

Isn’t that going to make the stadium explode or something? That’s almost as bad as having your catcher bat second!

by MatthewH on Apr 25, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

no Cairo in the 2-hole

I like it.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Apr 25, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but still in the 6-hole

we’ll see how it goes, I guess, but it’s still not a good lineup overall.

by kcgard2 on Apr 25, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

teh Fay

predicted that Cairo would be batting 2nd. I’m glad Dusty didn’t go that route. I was seriously afraid he would.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Apr 25, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

the toolbox

I heard that story while watching a Mets game. They had to explain why the pink Barbie backpack was back. I guess Barbie’s good luck for them. They’ve been playing better.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Apr 25, 2011 5:46 PM EDT reply actions  

So a pink backpack and Mets winning

Linking them to success?
Baseball players really do need to get a grip.

#NotIntendedToBeAFactualStatement

by johnu1 on Apr 25, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think it's that crazy

it’s just we don’t have a good idea of what the Barbie back pack is actually doing. I think if we had the empirical tools we could confirm that the Barbie Backpack is integral to their success, but not just because it’s a Barbie back pack. The true cause is at a more fundamental, microphysical level of explanation

by Red_Poodle on Apr 25, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course,

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by johnu1 on Apr 25, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like the slump buster.

It requires you to fuck a nasty, disgusting girl that most likely has low self esteem, and you do this just to play better.

Is that the reason you play better? Fuck no, but it is funny.

I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. ~ Winston Churchill

by BigBabyBruce on Apr 25, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

In my case, it never had anything to do with baseball

Just that … by the time I got around to it, that was all that was left in the place.

#NotIntendedToBeAFactualStatement

by johnu1 on Apr 25, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, if people haven't seen it yet.

BP tweeted that he’s been asked to hit in the cleanup spot.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 25, 2011 6:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Sounds dirty.

I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. ~ Winston Churchill

by BigBabyBruce on Apr 25, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Link Here.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 25, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

SPEAKING of Reds confidence ...

Did anybody notice the precipitous, and very discernible, dip in the little bar chart that greets you upon arrival at RR’s front door?

Back when, we were on the rise.

I worry.

#NotIntendedToBeAFactualStatement

by johnu1 on Apr 25, 2011 6:08 PM EDT reply actions  

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