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by ken on Apr 11, 2011 11:00 AM EDT
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Print- Tough breaks in Arizona as Reds drop two of three
Mark Sheldon notes that Mike Leake was not as bad as the final line (4.2 IP, 6 ER) sounds. In the fateful fifth inning, Leake gave up four consecutive singles but none were sharply hit. But then he made a mistake to Ryan Roberts, who clubbed a 3R HR and ended Leake's day. "I got a couple of unlucky rolls that went through for hits. And then there was a big mistake of throwing a fastball down the middle. They made me pay." - Reds to leave Cueto, Bailey behind in Arizona
Cueto and Bailey will get some work in today and tomorrow at Goodyear before starting rehab assignments in Louisville, per John Fay. If all goes well, Cueto will start for the Bats on April 16, 21 and 26. Bailey is slated to start for Louisville on April 17, 22, and possibly the 27th.
Sheldon also notes that Jose Arredondo will start a rehab assigning next week after throwing on Friday without any problems. - San Diego Tribune - Latos set for debut tonight against Cincinnati
Enough bellyaching about Arizona. The Reds head to San Diego to start a three-game series this evening (well, 10 EST). On the hill for the Padres will be ace Mat Latos in his season debut. He's been on the DL with bursitis in his right shoulder. Padres Manager Bud Black said Latos, who pitched bullpen sessions Wednesday and Friday, will not face a pitch-count limitation. - Hal pleads patience with Volquez
Opposite of Latos tonight will be Edinson Volquez, who's had two laborious starts so far. Hal sets the record straight for all the haters: Some fans think he should be yanked from the rotation when Johnny Cueto and Homer Bailey come off the disabled list. Cease and desist. It is only two starts. Really, that could've been the entire column. - Another setback for Jared Burton
Burton, already on the 15-day disabled list with right shoulder inflammation, has been ordered to stop throwing. He noticed a problem in Thursday morning's bullpen session. His glittering 2008 appears smaller and smaller in the rear-view mirror. - Enquirer - At 70, Does Rose have a Hall hope?
With Rose just turning 70 and the end of Bud Selig's tenure in sight (you'll start seeing "12/31/12" bumper stickers soon, I predict), John Erardi starts off a three-part series on whether Pete Rose has a shot of getting into the Hall of Fame. Among those interviewed are Reds historian Greg Rhodes and the George Will Sports Machine. Here's Will's take: Gambling is the scarlet sin in baseball, (going back to 1919). ... Forgiveness is a virtue, but there's a difference between people forgiving him in their hearts and Baseball forgiving him (for the purpose of clearing his way to the Hall of Fame). Clearly, Baseball is in a pickle. The all-time home run leader (Barry Bonds) and one of the greatest pitchers ever (Roger Clemens) and the all-time hit leader (Rose) are not going to make it. It is a blow to the Hall of Fame ... To get Rose in (posthumously), you'd have to pair him with Shoelesss Joe, and even then it would take a Solomonic commissioner (to explain it)." I don't agree with equating gambling to steroids. But I do think there's a chance that the next Commish will take some kind of executive action enough regarding the evaluation of PEDs-tainted players, and that Rose could be piggy-backed off of it. We'll see. It will take years to work all of this out, and time isn't on Rose's side. - The Platoon Advantage: The All-Time Tiny Team
Showing that size matters not, the Reds place three players on the all-time vertically-challenged squad. You probably knew that Dolphe Luque, a light skinned Cuban, was exempt from the “gentlemen’s” agreement that kept blacks and Latinos out of baseball until 1947. What I didn't know was that Luque was suspended for six days in 1923 for going into the Giants dugout in the middle of the game and attacking Casey Stengel, who he thought had been hurling epithets at him on the mound.
After the jump, a look around the Central.
- BLS - Did Clint Hurdle pull a fast one on Jim Tracy?
Pittsburgh beat Colorado in 14 innings on Saturday when Jose Tabata hit a two-out double to score the winning runner from first. Pitching to Tabata sounds reasonable enough given that the Pirates' best hitter, Andrew McCutchen, was standing on the on-deck circle. One problem - McCutchen wasn't the next hitter. Because of a prior double-switch, reliever Garrett Olson was due up. Plus, the Pirates' bench was empty. Maybe Colorado piches to Tabata anyways rather than risk putting the winning run on 2nd, but I doubt it. Well done, Clint Hurdle. - Cardinals schadenfreude
On Saturday, Miguel Tejada launched a deep ball in the bottom of the 9th with the winning run on to left-center. Colby Rasmus appeared to get a good jump and be in position to make the catch, but perhaps distracted by LF John Jay, he dropped the ball and cost St. Louis the game. Ryan Franklin has now blown three 9th inning leads already. Thanks to johnu1 for the video link. The news isn't all bad in St. Louis, as Matt Holliday rejoined the lineup yesterday and went 1-for-3 with two walks. - Chicago Tribune: Cubs wonder if juiced Manny Ramirez to blame for ruining their 2008 playoffs
And by "Cubs wonder," I mean "Cubs beat writer wonders." The author theorizes that Manny's PED use may have cost the Cubs a shot at glory in 2008, and then he slaps a player quote at the end that doesn't really say what the title of the article implies. - Brewers climb back to .500 by coming back against Chicago
Casey McGehee didn't start off his season hot against the Reds, but yesterday he delivered a pinch-hit 2R HR against Kerry Wood in the eigth to put the Brewers ahead for good. Milwaukee is off today and then starts a series in Pittsburgh. - Bill Hall All-Stars extend openings to free safeties
The Astros won an easy one against Florida yesterday, but there was some drama in the seventh when Marlins reliever Edward Mujica was ejected after beaning Bill Hall in the derriere on his only pitch. It was certainly in retaliation for Hall's hard but clean slide into future Red Hanley Ramirez on Friday. Unlike Swisher's slide, Hall did not raise his lead leg or veer to the side of the bag. Still, there's no doubt that he attempted and succeeded in taking the fielder out. Hanley sat out the rest of the series but will play on Tuesday.
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That Tribune article is some truly bad "journalism"
But it is a pretty great feat to make the Manny story about the Cubs. Even Cubs beat writers are obnoxious and navel-gazing.
"Penus, stale beer, and day old hot dogs. Love it"--justin007000
Agree'd
Very bad journalism. Where the editor was at the back end of this absurdity … we won’t know.
Remember: Trib once called itself “the World’s Greatest Newspaper.”
Kinda makes you wonder about the rest of them.
Announcer: "Just out of the reach of Berkman"
I think that guy is right
There’s no way that Aramis Ramirez, Alfonso Soriano, Jim Edmonds, Mark DeRosa, Carlos Zambrano, Kerry Wood, or Rich Harden were ever on steroids. No chance. So the Dodgers should hand that series win over to the Cubs.
What an idiot.
It sucks that Hal is already addressing the idiots freaking out about Volquez.
In fact, there seem to be a lot of people getting pissy about these 6-3, first place Reds. I’m all for free speech, especially in these RR chat rooms, but I’m going to start flagging comments bitching about Bruce and Volquez.
kidding… kind of… not really…
"i would’ve just been like. Votto rapes all, cubs suck and cards are WLBs." -- Big Stein
also, this.
"i would’ve just been like. Votto rapes all, cubs suck and cards are WLBs." -- Big Stein
by GrooveLeg on Apr 11, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
yeah i haven't really been around much these days.
"i would’ve just been like. Votto rapes all, cubs suck and cards are WLBs." -- Big Stein
I think Fox Sports South is looking into it
I bet it was just a guy there who reads Talking Chop and made up the graphic as a gag. Funny shit, though, matter what happened.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Apr 11, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
*no matter what happened
Guh. I’ve been doing that a lot lately.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Apr 11, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
According to deadspin, FSS said
When producing a game, unfortunately sometimes mistakes happen. The graphic should have been attributed to Talking Chop.
My guess is that it was like a game of telephone.
Seriously?
FSS is getting quotes from blogs now? Ho-lee shit. What if FS Ohio were to do that?
“I beat my son and have an extended and fulfilling relationship with a sheep.”
- Chris Carpenter
by Charlie Scrabbles on Apr 11, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
i'm lolling.
"i would’ve just been like. Votto rapes all, cubs suck and cards are WLBs." -- Big Stein
No
The quote is attributed to a member of TC that goes by the name “Bronn”.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Apr 11, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
and talkingchop
has a serious case of diaper rash because they’re so much better than the team Braun is on and through sheer bad luck and bad umpiring they last 3 of 4. They also are extremely upset that when their fat assed catcher blocks the plate, people plow into him.
Yeah, I noticed in the game thread that quote was from, there was a lot of ridiculousness.
“HOW DARE SOMEONE QUESTING CHIPPER GOING INTO THE HALL OF FAME?!” “EVERYONE FROM WISCONSIN IS A MORAN!” kind of stuff…. but I thought the potato chip comment was pretty great.
so
It really shouldn’t have been attributed to Talking Chop. It shouldn’t have been quoted at all.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
omg
Someone’s gonna get fired.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Ryan Braun's expression makes that even funnier.
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose: it's how drunk you get. ~Homer Simpson
by Hawkeyegirl96 on Apr 11, 2011 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I hear where you're coming from.
The only thing I will add is that Volquez and Mike Leake are, for the most part, in the same boat right now.
Both were very unexpected, phenomenal surprises in the first half of their first year with the team, respectively. Obviously, Volquez sustained a serious arm injury while Leake was simply shut down with “fatigue,” but their performances since they each had great starts have done nothing to justify them not being on the pitching bubble.
That’s the beauty of this “pitching depth” the Reds suddenly have…it’s only a valuable situation if you use it to its strengths. Cueto and Bailey both have their flaws, but they each have just as much ’cred as the others when it comes to who stays in the rotation and who goes.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Apr 11, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
but 'creds has the most 'cred cuz his is plural
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
by UncleWeez on Apr 11, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
This may or may not be SSS
but the consistent variable to both of EV’s starts … was behind the plate.
I am a believer in Hanigan.
Announcer: "Just out of the reach of Berkman"
yeah, it's the selective endpoints argument.
Just like the one that talks about how great Homer has finished each of the past 2 years.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Apr 11, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
My point on Reds pitching, maybe, if I didn't start to clarify
I am all for platooning behind the plate but you need an “ace” back there, a guy who sets the pattern. Every other day is maybe all right for hitting, but it seems to be rather odd strategy for a catcher.
Bronson prefers Hanigan. Maybe we ought to ask him why.
I could be tinkering with something that isn’t broken. Dunno … just maybe worth a conversation.
Announcer: "Just out of the reach of Berkman"
My gut tells me it shouldn't matter who is behind the plate.
Plus, I like having Monie in the lineup every few days because he is hitting. I don’t know… I wouldn’t tinker.
Volquez has pitched well thus far 2011 if you ignore the first inning. His stuff is there, but poor command in the early goings.
And to KMIB’s point, Volquez and Leake might be in the same boat with causing us to shoot our wad too early (Raven Riley’d) but at least EV has the benefit of a mid-90s fastball with movement and a killer change. Leake is far more reliant on command.
"i would’ve just been like. Votto rapes all, cubs suck and cards are WLBs." -- Big Stein
biggest thing thats hurting EV is his control
not the catcher he’s throwing to. that said, I do think Hanigan is the better game caller, but agree that I wouldn’t tinker.
and Leake has the benefit of being able to hit the strike zone when he wants to
and often where he wants to. Which of these is a bigger benefit to a pitcher is up for debate, I’d say.
Bronson has been asked why
He said that for whatever reason, Hani is better able to read his signals and and anticipate how he wants to handle each batter and what he wants to throw. Bronson has to use more brains than brawn to get a guy out anyway, so he’s more in tune with what he has in his arsenal for that game. Instead of Hani solely calling the game, the veteran Arroyo gives signals back to him and they call it together.
Hernandez generally catches the younger pitchers and he takes charge and calls most of game himself. Cueto, Volquez, Leake and Wood don’t have the same experience as Bronson does and it’s better for Hernandez to read the situation and take charge.
I don’t think that the Arroyo/Hanigan battery is a good measure for whether or not Hernandez is effective, simply because those two have developed a successful system that only works for the two of them.
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose: it's how drunk you get. ~Homer Simpson
by Hawkeyegirl96 on Apr 11, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn't Arroyo have David Ross call all his games as well?
Do you remember if he said anything about that?
Yeah, Ross was his guy before Hanigan
I think Bronson is just someone who needs to ‘train’ a catcher to his pitching style because it’s so weird. Most catchers, even the experienced ones, aren’t used to handling his bag of tricks and 50 different curveballs.
He did say that of all the catchers he’s thrown to, he connected best with Jason Veritek and Ryan Hanigan.
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose: it's how drunk you get. ~Homer Simpson
by Hawkeyegirl96 on Apr 11, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
beat me too it
sad face.
"Nobody hits Satchel." -Satchel Paige
by justin007000 on Apr 11, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I doubt he hates Latinos
Since, you know he IS Latino (half, anyway-his Dad was born in Cuba).
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose: it's how drunk you get. ~Homer Simpson
by Hawkeyegirl96 on Apr 11, 2011 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
it was his dad?
I thought it was his grandfather.
You’d think he would be able to speak Spanish if his dad was born in Cuba.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Nope, definitely his Dad
And in fairness, My father was born in Sweden and I don’t speak Swedish. Some families just don’t pass that knowledge down.
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose: it's how drunk you get. ~Homer Simpson
by Hawkeyegirl96 on Apr 12, 2011 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions
How hard is it to speak Swedish, really?
Bork bork bork!
"I'm telling you, my other poo story is much better." -- btcoop71
by jch24 on Apr 12, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
dra åt helvete!
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose: it's how drunk you get. ~Homer Simpson
by Hawkeyegirl96 on Apr 12, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Greg Maddux is a Bronson Arroyo type.
"Nobody hits Satchel." -Satchel Paige
by justin007000 on Apr 11, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
who do cubs beat writers blame for sammy's PEDs and corked bats?
"And a high fly ball to center field. He hit it a ton. And the 2010 National League Central Division Champs are the Cincinnati Reds!"
More like a "life partner"
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose: it's how drunk you get. ~Homer Simpson
by Hawkeyegirl96 on Apr 11, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
i set you up for this and i don't even get a single rec?
that’s some hooey if i’ve ever seen it
I love 10pm starts, as it fits my late night schedule well.
I just wish the Reds had better luck out West.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Whoa- it doesn't start until 10 ET?
That’s awesome. I’ll be done w/ choir.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
The next time you go on a profanity-laced tirade about the Cardinals, I'm going to picture you singing in a choir and laugh hysterically
"I'm telling you, my other poo story is much better." -- btcoop71
by jch24 on Apr 11, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
"Brendan has a mangina, Brendan has a mangina."
"i would’ve just been like. Votto rapes all, cubs suck and cards are WLBs." -- Big Stein
tNwss
"Nobody hits Satchel." -Satchel Paige
by justin007000 on Apr 11, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I have no idea what the N stands for
But it made me laugh. rec’d
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose: it's how drunk you get. ~Homer Simpson
by Hawkeyegirl96 on Apr 11, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
gotcha
It was Justin, so I was assuming it was a typo.
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose: it's how drunk you get. ~Homer Simpson
by Hawkeyegirl96 on Apr 11, 2011 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
"Nobody hits Satchel." -Satchel Paige
by justin007000 on Apr 12, 2011 2:48 AM EDT up reply actions
i used to until i had kids ...
"And a high fly ball to center field. He hit it a ton. And the 2010 National League Central Division Champs are the Cincinnati Reds!"
More like "Prepare to read all about it in the morning!"
Unless I get strike 3 somehow…
don’t understand strike 2
can’t recall strike 1
\on shakey ground, I guess
\\must be the tsunami coming
\\\AFLAC
CET Brown
Can't Evaluate Talent.
Hah, back in the day ....
dontcha love that phrase … anyway, when I was a teenager … they used to actually play doubleheaders at night on the coast. Those wouldn’t end till 2 or 3 in the morning, though games didn’t take as long to play back then. All the same, the first one would start around 9 and … we’d be snoozing by 10:15.
Announcer: "Just out of the reach of Berkman"
you realize it was just me, right?
and that I have absolutely zero moderating powers?
I was just teasing you for having two “LOLatino” comments. If I were you, I really wouldn’t lose any sleep over it. I meant nothing by it at all.
Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.
Lolatino?
The main character was nicknamed Blanca.
For the record, I didn’t know if you had mod powers.
Also, Zulu butt.
CET Brown
Can't Evaluate Talent.
by supergrover on Apr 11, 2011 5:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The Giants
are raising money for Brian Stow at today’s game. He’s the paramedic who was beaten unconscious because he was wearing a Giants jersey at a Dodgers game.
He mentioned to family (via text message) that it was “scary” at the game. And others have come forward reporting harassment for wearing the gear of other teams…including little kids.
Jeez, what’s wrong with people?
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Not defending the cops here, but ...
when the jerk was told to act civil, what did he do? Acted like a jerk.
There is a personal responsibility in public. This guys was ruining it for the fans and wouldn’t stop when asked.
Reacting the way they did, maybe excessive. We had this discussion a year ago and I found myself in the minority then too … there is a reason we want something that resembles sane, safe entertainment. I don’t think this happened out of nowhere.
You ask him to stop being a jerk, that should be enough.
Cops fuck up because they can’t win here … and come off looking like Nazis over some moran who has no class.
Announcer: "Just out of the reach of Berkman"
Yeah
all we see here is the minute or so where he gets creamed by the cops. We don’t get to see the build up to that. Just seeing the video, I’m really appalled by the way the cops acted there. But more than likely they had every good reason to do what they did.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Apr 11, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I always want to give the BOTD to cops,
but the truth is cops can become belligerent just as easily (if not more-so) than non-cops.
I’m ok with tasing as long as it is done after warning. It was not here… He harmlessly shoved a guy with his forearm and they immediately tase him. Why not try to cuff him first?
But after tasing doesn’t work and the cop goes directly for the beating, that’s not ok with me either. There were other officers there…they could have easily tackled him. If he still doesn’t get the point, THEN you bludgeon him.
"i would’ve just been like. Votto rapes all, cubs suck and cards are WLBs." -- Big Stein
I think the most concerning thing
is that the guy stood there and took a clubbing to his throat and didn’t retaliate. He just stood there, but then they continued to work him over until he was on the ground and cuffed. I would think they could have cuffed the guy and escorted him out without an issue, because he didn’t seem to be making any aggressive advances.
But like I said, we don’t get the whole story here. It’s tough to judge from the report and the video.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Apr 11, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Heh... yeah that guy is pretty badass.
“Did you just try to kiss my neck? It felt like you tried to kiss my neck. Let me know when the cops get here and I’ll lay down for them.”
"i would’ve just been like. Votto rapes all, cubs suck and cards are WLBs." -- Big Stein
no wonder the baton hits didn't phase him
this was in pittsburgh, right? even the cops don’t know how to connect when swinging.
by Heeringa on Apr 11, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
Oh snap!
Can’t do a Rec on this interface so you will have to settle for this.
CET Brown
Can't Evaluate Talent.
by supergrover on Apr 11, 2011 5:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i'll take it
i think this is only my second thing that’s been green’d.
is there a way to look that up? i don’t even know how to find out how many rec’s i’ve had.
check your Car Fax.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Apr 11, 2011 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Only mods have that special power
and this is your fourth green’d comment.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Apr 11, 2011 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Well the guy he shoved was security, and security got in the way when a fan tried to high 5 him
If security would have let him high 5 the guys things may not have gotten out of hand.
I think it is disturbing that the first thing the cop does is go for the throat and head. I feel that you probably should avoid clubbing a guy in the head at all costs. That is an easy way to fracture his skull, concussion, brain damage, hematoma, etc.
If the guy was fighting back, beat the shit out of him by all means.
But then again the guy is mean and is probably not feeling much pain and is filled with liquid courage, so the cops probably want to establish that they are not afraid to use force if need be. A friend of mines dad is a cop, and he had a guy who was much bigger than he was resisting arrest, and they ended up fighting, and my friends dad ended up with a torn rotators cuff and a dislocated shoulder, and needed multiple surgeries and was out on disability for a long time and while he is back on the force now, he will probably have to retire early because of the beating his body has taken from people like that.
I was immediately outraged when I first saw this video, but the more I think about it the more I can see it from the cops point of view too. They don’t want to get hurt. That being said I think the cops should probably face some disciplinary action, and hopefully this isn’t a trend for these two.
"Nobody hits Satchel." -Satchel Paige
by justin007000 on Apr 11, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
go over to bucsdugout
Check out the description of the event. It sounds like the guy had plenty of warnings. Regardless, it doesn’t matter who is right or wrong or who did what – it’s ignorant or stupid to be belligerent to law enforcement. They can pretty much do whatever they want.
Again, if the guy had acted civil in the first place, after being asked by those around him ...
… security would not have been needed.
Announcer: "Just out of the reach of Berkman"
I, for one,
want nothing resembling sane, safe, entertainment.
Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.
Hey look!
A wide-mouthed, unmarked liquor bottle!
by Brendanukkah on Apr 11, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I've got absolutely no problem with what the security guys did there
It takes more than a blow gun when you’re taking down an elephant.
Man...
I never even really understood “razzing” another team fans. But, good lord, to actually take it personal and THEN take it to physical?
CET Brown
Can't Evaluate Talent.
especially when they won
I’d hate to see what would have happened if the home team lost. That’s usually when things get really ugly.
A lot of bad things have happened at Dodgers games, but this one has really hit a nerve. Couple of guys beat up a man old enough to be their father…with zero provocation, other than wearing the jersey of the other team. In a parking lot in front of thousands of witnesses.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I remember being at a USA-Mexico World Cup Qualifier in Columbus
I was with the American Outlaws, one of the groups of diehard USA supporters, and we ran into the Mexican fans in the parking lot. We were shouting, they were shouting. “ME-XI-CO!” for them, “Dos a cero!” for us. People were jumping up and down, and the two groups were right in each other’s face. I remember thinking that it would only take one little thing to make it turn nasty and potentially dangerous. But at the end, there were smiles on everyone’s faces, and some handshakes exchanged.
It ended up being a very cool experience of an intense rivalry and the heckling of the opposing team, but all being done with a spirit of sportsmanship and respect. It’s really a shame those Dodgers fans couldn’t replicate that.
by Brendanukkah on Apr 11, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
this reads like the fight from "Anchorman"
i think Brick stabbed someone with a trident!
Buy RED: My Uncensored Life in Rock by Sammy Hagar, today
i'm not into aidint and abetting
but you might want to lay low for awhile
The streets in Columbus ran red
With Burgundy’s blood!
by Brendanukkah on Apr 12, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, something similar happened to me at a Browns game in Chicago.
Lots of words, no violence. Browns were up by 14 in the final seconds, lost the lead, then lost in OT.
I haven't read much on this lately, but trying to call these people "fans" is a stretch.
I think this was a gang, was it not?
Asking the question about what is wrong with people … they are gangs, teenagers with weapons, a bad attitude and a reason to continue being that way.
Announcer: "Just out of the reach of Berkman"
I don't get violence amongst sports fans, and I will never, ever go back to Paul Brown Stadium
I’m a Bear fan and our team got creamed so not a single one of us was crowing or being obnoxious. I watched Bengal fans trip an elderly man wearing a Walter Payton jersey and laugh as he fell (the security guard laughed too), a Bengal fan threw rocks at a little boy wearing a bears sweatshirt, and someone set fire to my hair as I was in line for a beer.
Fuck Bengals fans, every last one of them.
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose: it's how drunk you get. ~Homer Simpson
by Hawkeyegirl96 on Apr 11, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I was shocked, I really was
I go to Reds games by myself a lot, and I’ve always had nice conversations with other Reds fans and fans from other teams. I’ve had a few good-natured disagreements with spectators from other fanbases, but nothing was remotely mean-spirited.
I wasn’t expecting the level of violence and hate that we experienced at PBS. I was there with attorneys I work with from Chicago, and we had to leave because we were honestly afraid for our safety.
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose: it's how drunk you get. ~Homer Simpson
by Hawkeyegirl96 on Apr 11, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Its because its football
and for whatever reason, football brings the worst out of people. Baseballs not innocent, but damn I’m glad I’m more a fan of it than I am football.
football is violent.
"Nobody hits Satchel." -Satchel Paige
by justin007000 on Apr 11, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
While I'm sorry for the things you saw and the things that happened to you
I can almost guarantee you your last sentence is going to be the epitaph on Mike Brown’s tombstone.
by Brendanukkah on Apr 11, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL, probably so.
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose: it's how drunk you get. ~Homer Simpson
by Hawkeyegirl96 on Apr 11, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
holy crap
They set fire to your hair? That’s horrible.
A friend of mine had season tickets for the Jets. Was on the waiting list for years. He wanted to take his son to games. But once he actually went to a few, he gave up the tickets. The fans’ behavior was so obnoxious he didn’t want his kid to witness it. His seats were near where the opposing team’s wives sat, and drunken jerks were doing things like pouring drinks on the wives’ heads, cussing them out, etc. I think the inflate-a-dates were the final straw.
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Yeah, I actually had to get my hair cut the next day
The stylist had to cut off about four inches to even it out. Good thing it’s long to begin with.
I don’t blame your friend, I’ve heard some awful things about Jets fans. Unfortunately, football fandom seems to be a lot worse than baseball fans, aside from this Giants/Dodgers incident.
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose: it's how drunk you get. ~Homer Simpson
by Hawkeyegirl96 on Apr 11, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I think this kind of behavior transcends fan allegiance
Some people are just jerks, and sports is a convenient excuse for them to exercise their natural jerkiness in a socially acceptable outlet.
You can’t really be a belligerent racist anymore, and even violent homophobia is pretty much universally frowned-upon anymore. But hating on Cubs fans or Jets fans is perfectly acceptable. Right?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Apr 11, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
That's a good point
I guess X% of the population is wired to hate for some reason and will find an outlet. Give them alcohol and it becomes inevitable.
this is why i don't have a problem with high beer prices
imagine if beer was $2 a cup.
"Nobody hits Satchel." -Satchel Paige
by justin007000 on Apr 11, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
We have that and it's no problem
At Gary, they cut off beer sales in the 7th inning and are pretty much able to tell who’s rowdy, who isn’t. A crowd of 2,000 is manageable.
Now, with 20,000 in the park, I can see it could be invigorating.
Announcer: "Just out of the reach of Berkman"
I think you nailed it
The more people you put in the same place the more likely you are to have a rogue asshole starting trouble. I’d also say there’s less of the “I paid a lot of money for these tickets and this beer and that entitles me to be an asshole!” mentality going on at minor league games.
"I'm telling you, my other poo story is much better." -- btcoop71
Part of this is the attitude some folks have before they start drinking
There is a “don’t fuck with me, ’cuz I (fill in the blank)” mentality that is hard to define. Let THAT person have 4 or 5 beers (which they can afford if they want, regardless of price) and the fun gets to be an annoyance to others.
So tell that person to sit down and behave, they’ll turn to you, tell you to get bent because “I paid for my ticket so don’t fuck with me.”
By now you can’t win. Security gets to deal with it and most of them are generously adept only at asking people to behave. All they end up doing is pissing off the guy even more.
Announcer: "Just out of the reach of Berkman"
Back when real men smoked cigars
Yeah, that was baseball.
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Didn't see this before I posted above, my bad
"I'm telling you, my other poo story is much better." -- btcoop71
the Dodgers
are canceling their half-price beer promotions in the wake of the beating.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Nice politically gentle touch
My hunch it had nothing to do with beer.
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sorry ... call me dreadful, call me dull
I didn’t get it at first.
Now I do.
Carry on.
Announcer: "Just out of the reach of Berkman"
Ironic
the Red Sox keep on losing, their fans are gonna need alcohol.
Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.
it really does seem to have gotten worse
You talk to people in their 40s and older, and they used to go games when they were kids, by themselves. Even though there were fewer restrictions on beer sales, and there were a lot of really drunk guys there. Now, you’d be an unfit parent if you let your little boy or girl go to a game by themselves.
I go to a lot of games by myself, but I don’t wear team gear or even team colors. Especially if it’s an away game. I know for some fans sporting team gear is a big part of the experience, but for me, it’s not worth the hassle.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Right
Add that to the fact that my strikingly bulbous head looks ridiculous in a ball cap, and I’m more often than not showing up to games inconspicuously.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Apr 11, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
im my teens, 20s, 30s and 40s I've always gone to games with other people.
except on the one year anniversary of 9/11 … i didnt feel like working and walked to the ballpark. that game featured danny serafini as SP. awesome.
AND i’ve snuck in countless Florence Freedom games after the 4th inning. but Ive always found people i’ve known out near the bar/smoking area.
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I've heard that the '70s were the absolute worst time for ballpark violence and mayhem
I’ll wait for John to confirm or deny.
Confirm, deny
If you look at the events of the time, the New York film clips would suggest some rather raucous behavior was the norm. I think maybe not, however.
I never saw any such behavior in Cincinnati.
Then there was Disco Demolition in Chicago, Ten-Cent Beer Hell in Cleveland … scattered events. Detroit fans got out of hand … for the Tigers in 84, and I can’t remember if they did for the Pistons’ titles.
We tend to think Philly was the armpit of bad actors, but Philly cops put the hammer down pretty hard with mounted cops after what they saw in Shea and the Bronx, people tearing up the field.
But that wasn’t about anger, that was just vandalism. In fact, I think NY was fairly shocked to see it happening in Yankee Stadium. The Mets, I think, well … they were just castoff Brooklyn fans so what else do you expect?
Of all places, I always heard Boston Garden was bad for basketball fans, Detroit was nasty for hockey. Reps are earned for a reason.
Announcer: "Just out of the reach of Berkman"
yabbut, Philly cops never had to police the city after a championship.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Apr 11, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure they got out of hand for the Pistons too, and for Michigan St
It’s a Michigan thing, I guess they figure no matter how much they destroy the place it’s not like the value’s gonna go down.
"I'm telling you, my other poo story is much better." -- btcoop71
did anything happen to the guy who set your hair on fire?
jesus this is ruining my idea that sports are less dangerous but provide all the community of religion.
"Nobody hits Satchel." -Satchel Paige
by justin007000 on Apr 11, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
you have some strange ideas
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by nycredsfan on Apr 11, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
No. The security guards all looked the other way.
I guess the jerk line is bullshit.
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose: it's how drunk you get. ~Homer Simpson
by Hawkeyegirl96 on Apr 12, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
The way sports fans act toward fans of other teams is appalling country-wide, hell even world-wide
While I realize most are respectful and decent, I find it shocking how stupid people act when it comes to sports. Its ludicrous how important people make these games out to be, especially when they have nothing to do with what happens on the field. I find it lame when people employ the “my team won, you cant talk shit now” argument, or the “how’d your team do in the playoffs last year” or whatever. I find it saddening when people take it beyond that. Sometimes people can be just downright pathetic.
Here's what's weird
Depending on where you were and when it was, the episodes of miscreant fan behavior is very memorable. I grew up in rural Indiana and any images you have of the movie “Hoosiers” are kind of, sort of accurate to a point. There were some pretty obscene people in small towns who would call 14-year-old basketball players the dirtiest, filthiest names. They threw coins on the floor, ice cubes to trip opposing players, even used slingshots to hurl bee-bees.
We tend to forget those quiet days of yore, but the Ducky Medwick World Series (1934) is still on film.
Announcer: "Just out of the reach of Berkman"
on the topic of going to games in opposing fields
I’ve never had anything but a pleasant experience, fan-wise, in St. Louis. The stadium may be way worse than mediocre, but even when saying I’m a Reds fan, people have been friendly and respectful. Warrants mentioning.
Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.
of course, I usually add in
“I grew up in Chicago, but yknow, screw the Cubs” and I think that helps.
Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.
I use that one a lot myself
I was born in Chicago and Mom’s a Cubs fan, but I still say screw ’em.
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose: it's how drunk you get. ~Homer Simpson
by Hawkeyegirl96 on Apr 11, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
They were dicks to me the last time I went.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
IMO, that's the difference between football fans and baseball fans
It’s a reflection of the respective sports.
"I'm telling you, my other poo story is much better." -- btcoop71
And honestly, international soccer fans are the worst
Part of it has to do with what Scrabbles said above about racism/homophobia being socially unacceptable now.
Combine those things with nationalism and soccer fandom and they become completely acceptable.
Seeing the way Italian fans treat black player (just as one example) is incredible.
"Penus, stale beer, and day old hot dogs. Love it"--justin007000
even/especially when the black player is an Italian
and, honestly, kind of a goofy jerk to begin with.
Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.
Look, I understand that you had a shit experience at a Bengals game and I feel bad for you...
But I am a Bengals fans (crazy, right?) I’m also just as appalled as you are at things that happen at sporting events between its competing fans. I think I speak for the overwhelming majority of Bengals fans as well. I’m also not going to apologize on behalf of those asshole rednecks that made you have a bad time. They’re pieces of shit first and Bengals fans second.
I also happen to be an Ohio State fan. Do you know how many fights I’ve broken up? Do you know how many rival fans I’ve taken the side of when shit got out of hand? It happens everywhere.
Since we’re friends I’m not going to rant and pass unfair judgments on you, but that hurts, yo…
"i would’ve just been like. Votto rapes all, cubs suck and cards are WLBs." -- Big Stein
Ohio State fan? Strike Two!
Kidding, I totally understand that there are good fans and bad fans with every fanbase and I’m exaggerating here. I have plenty of friends who are Bengals fans.
But let me tell you, as I walked out of that stadium last October with smoldering hair, I wasn’t feeling warm fuzzies towards anyone wearing orange and black.
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose: it's how drunk you get. ~Homer Simpson
by Hawkeyegirl96 on Apr 11, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I know, I know... That never goes over too well :)
I feel you, 96. Just know that I stand up to a-holes like that regardless of what color shirt they’re wearing. It usually ends there because I’m a pretty big guy who NOBODY WANTS TO FUCK WITH.
//eats knife
"i would’ve just been like. Votto rapes all, cubs suck and cards are WLBs." -- Big Stein
I've met him
I believe when I introduced myself I said, “nice to meet you, sir” out of crippling fear.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Apr 11, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
There does seem to be an inordinate amount of hillbilly assholes
that go to Bengals games. My grandfather has had tickets since Nippert Stadium, and I’ve gone to games with him since I was a wee one. It just seems like there is a large contingent of people at football games that are filled with hatred. Maybe its a nationwide occurrence and not just a local problem, I sure wouldn’t want to be an opposing team’s fan at a Raider’s game. One of the poorest decisions I’ve made in recent years was eating mushrooms before a Bengals – Steelers game. Bad vibes man, bad vibes.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Kentucky.
I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. ~ Winston Churchill
by BigBabyBruce on Apr 11, 2011 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Why be afraid?
Sure you might offend some Kentucky residents, but again I don’t see a problem with that.
I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. ~ Winston Churchill
by BigBabyBruce on Apr 11, 2011 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
you wonder why we Kentuckians love basketball and hate football.
The only outlets to watch football are teams that historically lose and lose big. Frustration + booze = bad, bad vibes.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Apr 11, 2011 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
This brings us back to the film clip
The nature of the clip and the general direction the story went was that the cops were the brutalizers … but I think, as you point out, there are fewer and fewer people who will come down on the side of people who can’t act civil at the game.
The episode last year about the guy who got Tasered at Philly was one that drew some controversy. I stood on the premise that he knew what he was doing was wrong. Opposing point of view was that the cops over-reacted. If he’d stayed in his seat, nobody would be defending anything.
Announcer: "Just out of the reach of Berkman"
I'm a Bengals fan, and I would never set fire to your hair.
I’m really sorry about that. That’s just atrocious.
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I know you wouldn't!
I think I was in a bad section. There were little pieces of paper on our seats that said our section was under surveillance due to past behavior. Of course, the alleged surveillance didn’t stop any of the idiots.
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose: it's how drunk you get. ~Homer Simpson
by Hawkeyegirl96 on Apr 11, 2011 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
All the same, we should probably not watch the next OSU-Iowa game together ;)
"Red Reporter - An elitist clique full of like-minded douchebags." - BK
Awesome!
I’ll teach you the fight song and how to do the Herky Pokey.
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose: it's how drunk you get. ~Homer Simpson
by Hawkeyegirl96 on Apr 11, 2011 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Herky Pokey?
Is it like the Bucky?
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
Iowa's mascot is Herky the Hawkeye
And yes, we have a twisted version of the Hokey Pokey that we call the Herky Pokey. And it IS really what it’s all about.
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose: it's how drunk you get. ~Homer Simpson
by Hawkeyegirl96 on Apr 12, 2011 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions
grassy knoll
CET Brown
Can't Evaluate Talent.
by supergrover on Apr 11, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Which is a short drive from the Ballpark at Arlington
What kind of alibi does Josh Hamilton have, anyways?
am I right to say "he was saaaafe"?
if his foot was on his hand and his hand was on the plate when the tag applied?
CET Brown
Can't Evaluate Talent.
Yeah, BP was totally out. I was pissed at his poor baserunning.
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose: it's how drunk you get. ~Homer Simpson
by Hawkeyegirl96 on Apr 11, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Needs to be a chalk outline around BP
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
what happened there?
Is that the play where he got stepped on?
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
yes
"And a high fly ball to center field. He hit it a ton. And the 2010 National League Central Division Champs are the Cincinnati Reds!"
I always knew BP was lazy
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by Slyde on Apr 11, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
x
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
by -ManBearPig on Apr 11, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
More shit from the sidebar
This one goes out to obc2. I think ’Duk at BLS hit it on the head when he ended the post with this line:
“David Lee Roth, a nation turns its lonely eyes to you.”
by Charlie Scrabbles on Apr 11, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
i almost want somebody to send this to VEB as a peace offering.
"Nobody hits Satchel." -Satchel Paige
by justin007000 on Apr 11, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
BONER SNAKE!
What’s your price for flight
For finding Mr Right
You’ll be alright
tonight
\nightranger’d
CET Brown
Can't Evaluate Talent.
by supergrover on Apr 11, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Love it
obc and I saw a little bit of Night Ranger with our significant others at Taste of Blue Ash last summer before heading to see Kevin Fox in Montgomery. Excellent call on leaving on our part.
"I'm telling you, my other poo story is much better." -- btcoop71
the Bats have a blog now?
It’s about time!
And they even link to us…
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
They do an excellent job with it so far
Better than the Reds do, IMO
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by BK on Apr 11, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
No
Pete Rose has no chance to enter the HOF, nor should he. Also, his situation has nothing to do with Bonds or Clemens.
Baseball has always given a nod and a wink to cheating (and I don’t even think PED use is “cheating”); hell, you could argue that Gaylord Perry is in the HOF only because he could cheat so successfully. Since 1919, though, gambling has been seen in a completely different light – it brings the “death penalty” and everyone involved with the game knows it. No Michael Jordan “early retirement/mind change” – one strike and you’re out.
I think the Bonds and Clemens cases will be interesting, especially if each is found not guilty of lying (because sportswriters know more than everyone else especially when it comes to who used PEDs, except when it comes to who’s using PEDs now, in which case they’re innocent babes in the woods like the rest of us).
"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"
by sidnancy on Apr 11, 2011 2:51 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
You don't really believe the Jordan conspiracy theory, do you?
Pete has SOME chance of entering the HOF. It’s not any time soon, but I think it could gain traction depending on who the new Commish is.
I don’t know think the perjury trials matter much. I’d be willing to bet that most writers have decided that (1) Bonds and Clemens did steroids, and (2) it doesn’t matter whether they lied to Congress or a grand jury about it. The debate will center on whether the writers care that players did steroids before testing. I think enough writers will vote “no” that it will go to the Veterans’ Committee. Which is sad.
I would bet $1,000 that Pete Rose will not give a HOF acceptance speech
If he gets in at all it will be after he dies. And that’s a huge IF. Lastly if he gets in Joe Jackson damned well better get in as well.
"I'm telling you, my other poo story is much better." -- btcoop71
I wholeheartedly support this
Joe Jackson belongs in the Hall.
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose: it's how drunk you get. ~Homer Simpson
by Hawkeyegirl96 on Apr 11, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
No shirts, no shoes, no service
It says so right on the door.
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by Slyde on Apr 11, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
dude only had 50 HR and 1700 hits
turrible~!
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You don't want to hear my Black Sox conspiracy theory
Jackson and the other seven all should be eligible.
Announcer: "Just out of the reach of Berkman"
Read about it in the Sunday Papers!
Is she really going out with him? Steppin’ out.
CET Brown
Can't Evaluate Talent.
by supergrover on Apr 11, 2011 5:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
This doesn't get discussed often, but I think a meaningful difference can be drawn between betting as a player and as a manager
The voters don’t pay mind to Ted Williams’ managing career, as they shouldn’t.
It all comes down to being reinstated by MLB
And I don’t see that happening while he’s still breathing. The LAST thing MLB wants is for Pete to be in front of a mic at Cooperstown.
"I'm telling you, my other poo story is much better." -- btcoop71
speaking of sleaze
I tried with marginal success to post this over (there >>>) in another thread, but will add it here for laughs.
Jose Canseco is the manager/player for the Yuma Scorps. (Not to be confused with the Yuma Therfuggers)
http://www.northamericanleague.com/view/northamericanleague/news/news_25484
Announcer: "Just out of the reach of Berkman"
She pitched for the Chico Outlaws in the same league.
Her numbers were less than stellar.
http://mopupduty.com/index.php/the-eri-yoshida-experiment-post-mortem/
Announcer: "Just out of the reach of Berkman"
If there was a year that lacked inductions or only had one or two lesser lights,
I could see baseball wanting to drum up interest for induction weekend with the Rose gimmick. Unlikely, but not implausible.
I weary of another extended Pete vs. the Hall chat but ...
… the only way he gets in is for the BBWA to suddenly come to grips with the reality that Pete’s gambling was an addiction, not a crime. Or at least that’s what I’ve been led to believe. Comparing Rose to the PEDs users is really not going to fly.
Announcer: "Just out of the reach of Berkman"
No shit Shoeless Joe should get in!
He let the Reds win a World Series!
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Apr 11, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Re: Jordan
The best conspiracy theory I’ve heard is that his dad was killed due to some shady goings on with Jordan.
"I'm telling you, my other poo story is much better." -- btcoop71
Yeah
I heard that his dad was killed because Mike owed a bookie some serious money. Mike never got the money, so instead of paying back the bookie the bookie made him make Space Jam.
What I don’t understand is, if you owe a bookie a lot of money, and he, let’s say, kills your father. You still owe him the money! It just doesn’t seem fair to me.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Apr 11, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
i thought they were robbing MJ's father's house
and he was either already home or he walked in on it while it was happening and somehow got himself killed.
I thought he was killed at a NC highway rest area
brb, going to look.
"I'm telling you, my other poo story is much better." -- btcoop71
yep
From his wiki:
While returning from a funeral eight days before his 57th birthday, Jordan pulled into a rest stop on Interstate 95 to take a nap. Daniel Green (who later changed his name to Lord D.A.A.S. U’Allah)2 and Larry Martin Demery shot Jordan to death while he slept in his car and proceeded to steal the vehicle. His body was found on August 3 in a Bennettsville, South Carolina swamp, but was not positively identified until August 13.
Green and Demery made several calls from Jordan’s cell phone and as a result were quickly captured. They had taken other items from the car including two NBA championship rings given to Jordan, Sr. by his son. Demery was wearing a Michael Jordan T-shirt at the time of his arrest.
"I'm telling you, my other poo story is much better." -- btcoop71
I figured you would appreciate that one
by Charlie Scrabbles on Apr 11, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I did too!
And yes, I believe the Jordan conspiracy theory, too.
Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.
Pretty sure, Mr. Perry got in due to overcoming his name...
I guess my feeling is you make sure to thoroughly discuss how the players disgraced the game, but made it in the hall of fame because they stand so far ahead of their peers, etc.
Also, I wouldn’t be surprised if the future commish disbands the “permanently ineligble” list, so that the writers and Veterans committee can have the final call. Given those groups’ extremely conservative decision-making, I think you’ll see very few who were or would be on that list get into the HoF (especially Pete). But I think undoubtedly, Rose would be elected into the Reds Hall of Fame and it would be a great celebration of Pete Rose and give him a token of the recognition he deserves as one of the best to ever play in the Queen City. I would say the same thing should apply in the Reds Hall of Fame; be explicit about how Rose dishonored himself, baseball, and Cincinnati.
Lots to respond to...
1. There was no formal rule keeping Jackson (or anyone on baseball’s ineligible list) out of the HOF until Rose. To put him in now would arbitrarily overturn 60 years of BBWAA and Veterans Committee voting.
2. Rose has no chance of being reinstated because (1) he wasn’t banned, he agreed to be banned (in other words, he just accepted the ban without even arguing against it), and (2) his actions since haven’t helped his cause one bit; in fact, he’s soured pretty much everyone who’d given him the benefit of the doubt.
I’ll finish with this – it’s going to take 75% of the voters to put him in. Even with the recent influx of new voters, I haven’t seen any serious discussion at all of writers wanting a chance to vote on him.
"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"
Hey, Erardi quotes one of the law professors at my school. Neat!
(He’s actually been quoted a lot lately since his specialty is sports law, and the NFL and Barry Bonds things have been in the news.)
pregame question: which RR would you most want next to you if you were selling something at Pawn Stars?
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The answer to this is obviously Madville.
by andromache on Apr 11, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Yep, no other answer here
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by BK on Apr 11, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
is madville the antique that we're selling?
"And a high fly ball to center field. He hit it a ton. And the 2010 National League Central Division Champs are the Cincinnati Reds!"
Yep, gotta be Mads.
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose: it's how drunk you get. ~Homer Simpson
by Hawkeyegirl96 on Apr 11, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok, how about a follow up question?
Is there any reality tv show that you would NOT want Madville to accompany you on? (that is, there would be another RRer you would prefer)
the amazing race ...
madville would just slow me down
"And a high fly ball to center field. He hit it a ton. And the 2010 National League Central Division Champs are the Cincinnati Reds!"
Madville seems like a decently fit guy
So if there was a “Biggest Loser: Sports Blog Nerds” edition, I’d probably want a fattie.
"Penus, stale beer, and day old hot dogs. Love it"--justin007000
ooooh me me me!!!
"i would’ve just been like. Votto rapes all, cubs suck and cards are WLBs." -- Big Stein
is that on those pay per view channels?
"And a high fly ball to center field. He hit it a ton. And the 2010 National League Central Division Champs are the Cincinnati Reds!"
i wish that was still on... i owned at that show.
"i would’ve just been like. Votto rapes all, cubs suck and cards are WLBs." -- Big Stein
andromache could have her second televised 15 minutes in the spotlight
"And a high fly ball to center field. He hit it a ton. And the 2010 National League Central Division Champs are the Cincinnati Reds!"
but how much of that was just alex trebek?
"And a high fly ball to center field. He hit it a ton. And the 2010 National League Central Division Champs are the Cincinnati Reds!"
wait you were on Jeopardy?
pics or it didn’t happen
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
Ah those were the days.
I had such a fantastic mustache.
by andromache on Apr 11, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
the hat's pretty close though
"And a high fly ball to center field. He hit it a ton. And the 2010 National League Central Division Champs are the Cincinnati Reds!"
It's an oversized hat, it's funny
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Apr 11, 2011 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, that's your opinion
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Apr 11, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
those celebrity jeopardy skits were just ridiculously funny
you ever see the episode of SNL that Quentin Tarantino hosted? Norm & Tarantino did one of my favorite sketches of all time. It was called clara turley’s bible challenge, but unfortunately i’ve never been able to find a video of it online.
Should be on Netflix
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Apr 11, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
All of the seasons are on Netflix instant now
So you should be able to find the Tarantino episode, right?
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
all of the season are?
i missed that! I know the season, episode # & original air date. I’m going to watch it tonight!
How is there not a Best of Norm Macdonald DVD? Really?
"I'm telling you, my other poo story is much better." -- btcoop71
he & SNL don't have a great relationship.
A best of Norm DVD would be awesome!
His monologue from the episode he hosted is the funniest I’ve ever seen on the show.
you would want me by your side
because I would convince you that you were getting ripped off if you actually sold something to those nutjobs.
I need somebody to explain this to me, because most of you are smarter than me...
So I had to get an FBI background check in order to teach in Korea, I was told those could take a while so I got mine done in February, and got it back well over a month ago.
In order for the Korean Government to accept my background check it needs to be apostilled (for those who don’t know an internationally accepted seal of authenticity), and only the U.S. Secretary of States office can Apostille a federal document.
I find out that they can apostille my FBI background check because it doesn’t have the FBI’s official seal of authenticity because I didn’t request it. Can somebody explain two things to me, one why isn’t every background check given a seal of authenticity, and two at the very least on the form I filled out to get my background check why isn’t there a box asking if I need the document authenticated?
"Nobody hits Satchel." -Satchel Paige
heres your explanation
a blathering screed about the federal govmint and obama and Ron Paul bumper sticker
Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand
by saboscork on Apr 11, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
The solution to all your ills:
Tax cuts for the highest class will create greater demand for quality FBI agents who won’t have to be told whether or not to apply the seal.
CET Brown
Can't Evaluate Talent.
by supergrover on Apr 11, 2011 6:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Tonight's lineup
Heisey CF
Phillips 2B
Votto 1B
Rolen 3B
Gomes LF
Bruce RF
Hernandez C
Janish SS
Volquez P
"Penus, stale beer, and day old hot dogs. Love it"--justin007000
I like it
Stubbs has been scuffling and could definitely use the day off.
Swanson Pyramid of Greatness
Handshakes — Firm, Dry, Solid. 3 seconds.
by cesarhernandez on Apr 11, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm just shocked he's batting Heisey first
Big fan. Of course, if he has an 0fer, don’t count on seeing him there again. Dusty likes him some SSS
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
I think
he just didn’t want to mess with the rest of the lineup.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
it's something baseball related
What’s that doing here?
When you come to the fork in the road, take it.
by poojols on Apr 11, 2011 7:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Janish is hitting 4-something and JJ Hardy is out for a month
Glad the Reds didn’t send prospects to the Twins for him.
When you come to the fork in the road, take it.
by poojols on Apr 11, 2011 7:32 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
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