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Who's making this team?

To put it charitably, performances this spring by those bubble players with a legitimate chance to break camp with the team have been uneven - though the shape of the bubble itself has been a moving target. Fred Lewis - whose spot seemed relatively secure coming into camp - may have played himself into the bubble, while Mike Leake was a bubble player who made the rotation in the wake of Cueto's injury, but has pitched as though he's curious what it's like to slum it in the minor leagues. Then there's Dontrelle Willis. And Jared Burton. And Sam Lecure.

John Fay brought to our attention the Arizona Factor, which was mentioned also last spring during the inaugural season at Goodyear. Dusty Baker lists "lighter air affecting breaking balls," harder infields and clear skies that "make it harder to read flyballs" as its ravages. The run environments in Arizona vs. Florida would seem to bear this out. Still, the team is going to have to weigh the relative performances on the field - along with, hopefully, a look at the Man in Full - to figure out who gets the remaining spots on the Opening Day roster.

In order to make sense out of the senseless, here's my quick and dirty, lumped-together power ranking of the Battle for the Final Three (Four?) Spots.

Assumptions:

  1. There are only three spots in play right now (two bullpen, one bench OR, less likely: two bench, one bullpen), though Mike Leake's spot in the rotation could be precarious with another shelling in his final spring start
  2. Logan Ondrusek has made the team, leaving only 2 (possibly one) spot left in the bullpen
  3. Chris Heisey has made the team, leaving one opening on the bench (most likely a left-handed outfielder)

1. Mike Leake

Roster spot: 5th starter

Why he's in: He's already by tagged to make the start on April 9 (against the Diamondbacks) and has been stretching out as a starter all spring. While baseball is certainly an art of "What have you done for me lately," Leake was the ace of the first 1/3 of 2010.

Why he's not: Arizona effect notwithstanding (Leake did pitch in Arizona for three years before coming to Cincinnati) Leake's pitched terribly this spring, even walking more hitters than usual. And he hasn't been terribly effective since last year's All Star Break. He's never visited the minor leagues, so he could stand to at least get a tune-up down there.

2. Matt Maloney

Roster spot: Long reliever, 5th starter

Why he's in: He's pitched pretty well this spring, striking out 9 in 12 innings. The inevitable "career minor leaguer" tag gets unfairly thrown at Maloney, despite the fact that he's acquitted himself well in 9 big league spot starts. His minor league resume suggests, at least, a serviceable 5th starter.

Why he's not: Maloney's gotten 12 innings (Bailey is at 13.2), but he hasn't been leading off games and stretching out the same way the starters have. So he's really only in the conversation to be a long reliever. Willis seems to have had more favor in that role most of the spring. And with the rotation shuffling, the Reds may want to have Maloney starting, just a call away in Louisville.

Star-divide

3. Jeremy Hermida

Roster spot: Back-up OF, left-handed bench bat

Why he's in: He has the pedigree as a former #4 overall ranked prospect by Baseball America (2006) and put up some respectable numbers in Florida. His spring has been torrid, to the tune of a 1.155 OPS. He can offer similar defense and splits to Fred Lewis. Hermida also has five years MLB service, so he could decide to refuse an optional assignment - in which case, the Reds lose him if they don't add him to the Opening Day roster.

Why he's not: He's on a minor league contract and has options. If he were to accept an optional assignment, the Reds wouldn't have to worry about losing Lewis to waivers. His recent history in the majors inspires less confidence that he would be a successful (possible) platoon partner for Gomes. And Fred Lewis offers superior speed and, arguably, an edge defensively in left field.

4. Fred Lewis

Roster spot: Back-up OF, left-handed bench bat

Why he's in: He's on a guaranteed contract, ostensibly brought in to make some starts in left-field against right-handed pitching and potentially lead-off. He's also out of options, which means the Reds will have to expose him to waivers if they don't put him on the Opening Day roster. His career .280/.354/.442 line against lefties would seem to be a decent foil for Gomes, while his defense and speed would be attractive to have in the lineup.

Why he's not: There's been almost no indication Lewis is being considered to share time in left field, let alone be used as a regular lead-off hitter. His spring stats have been dismal. The Reds could try their luck sneaking him through waivers at the end of spring, when other teams' rosters are set.

5. Jared Burton

Roster spot: Middle relief

Why he's in: He looked very solid at the start of spring and has still yet to walk a batter, striking out 8 in 9 innings pitched. Much of the damage done to him could be the result of irregular defenses and Arizona Effects. He was a bullpen stalwart in '07 and '08 and there was evidence to suggest he'd recovered from injuries and begun to return to form toward the end of '10.

Why he's not: By the measure of hittability, he hasn't looked as good this spring as the rest of the bullpen competition. He also pitched only 3.1 innings in the bigs last year.

Also receiving votes:

6. Dontrelle Willis

7. Sam LeCure

8. Jose Arredondo

9. Juan Francisco

10. Chris Valaika

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should we be concerned about pitching yet?

probably not. remember april last year? wasn’t the month almost over before a starter won a game? the season turned out pretty ok.

still, what seemed to be a no sweat issue is looking shaky.

by Daedalus on Mar 24, 2011 11:10 AM EDT reply actions  

What's the situation with Marcum?

I hadn’t heard about that.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Mar 24, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who didn't see that coming?

I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. ~ Winston Churchill

by BigBabyBruce on Mar 24, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

According to a fanpost at VEB that I got sucked into, our pitching will suck
i’m not convinced that your rotation will be though….maybe i am biased (i am) but a rotation of arroyo, cueto, volquez, wood, bailey, and sometimes leake does not strike fear in my heart….i think they all have the potiential to regress (arroyo, cueto, volquez, leake), not live up to projections (wood), or continue to just not have it figured out (bailey)

Is it me, or does it seem overly pessimistic to assume the worst about every starter in a team’s rotation?

"Penus, stale beer, and day old hot dogs. Love it"--justin007000

by nycredsfan on Mar 24, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Almost nobody from the other team...

… concedes an opponent will be better. It’s a way of dehumanizing the enemy and building a false moral fiber that can be ingrained and instilled into the hearts and ethic of every man, woman and small child.

This can be repeated endlessly and even applied to the back of a cereal box, scrawled on walls of public toilets and repeated before class begins at school.

So yes, there is a cunning and and evil that applies here.

It’s ugly.

AW, just never fuckin' mind, OK?

by johnu1 on Mar 24, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

you forgot to mention how JD Drew, err I mean Jay Bruce has hit his ceiling

and he has reached the “he is what he is” stage of his long, tedious career

by vottomatic on Mar 24, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that is silly

That guy has offered zero evidence for why Bruce has maxed out offensively as a 23 year old.

"Penus, stale beer, and day old hot dogs. Love it"--justin007000

by nycredsfan on Mar 24, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hermida did it!

Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Mar 24, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

That would actually be the most compelling argument offered so far.

If anything, I’m a little concerned about Bruce’s power kind of disappearing the way Hermida’s did. Otherwise, they are completely different. Look at Hermida’s awesome 2007. His BABIP was .353. It hasn’t been higher than .310 before or since over a full big league season. I think if anything that was just a lucky season for him.

"Penus, stale beer, and day old hot dogs. Love it"--justin007000

by nycredsfan on Mar 24, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

and don't forget that Bruce an average runner at best

so he really is just a very good defender in right and would be terrible in center

by vottomatic on Mar 24, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually Bruce is rated at average or above average in center.

He certainly isn’t terrible.

I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. ~ Winston Churchill

by BigBabyBruce on Mar 24, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

or was that sarcasm?

I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. ~ Winston Churchill

by BigBabyBruce on Mar 24, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

why do we care if he's terrible in center?

We have a centerfielder named Stubbs.

AW, just never fuckin' mind, OK?

by johnu1 on Mar 24, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

it was sarcasm

what i said was the argument made by a poster at VEB

by vottomatic on Mar 24, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

and he was such a prick about all of his arguments

i don’t know how you tried to have a convo with him as long as you did

by vottomatic on Mar 24, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I read this discourse

and what I read was a complete lack of a sense of humor with that group. I realize the discussion was sabre-toothed. All the same, ’creds, you held your ground and made good points. You made us proud that you are one of our fellow RR dudes.

Hip hip …

AW, just never fuckin' mind, OK?

by johnu1 on Mar 24, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly right on

No one over there can take/make a goddamn joke.

by Brendanukkah on Mar 24, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

For reals.

WLB’s:

RR’s:

Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Mar 24, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes it was

"I'm telling you, my other poo story is much better." -- btcoop71

by jch24 on Mar 24, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

Good on ya, Nycreds, for hanging in there

by ams78 on Mar 24, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, it started because a guy did a Fanpost about WAR projections for every NLC lineup and rotation

And he did a good job, except he projected Renteria as the everyday SS and Gomes as the everyday LF. I just posted that Janish is more likely to get more starts at SS, and Gomes probably won’t play more than 120 games or so, hopefully fewer. That led to a really good discussion comparing Rasmus to Bruce, talking about Hanigan, etc. It was all really positive and civil until this guy comes along saying that Bruce has maxed out, isn’t going to get any better, and that our rotation is full of suck.

It led to a slightly less civil discussion.

"Penus, stale beer, and day old hot dogs. Love it"--justin007000

by nycredsfan on Mar 24, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

happens everytime.

Red Reporter: Driving that train high on cocaine.

by justin007000 on Mar 24, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ever. Single. Time.

Screw dem.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Mar 24, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course they'd assume that.

Them losing the division was a fluke.

by jsl413 on Mar 24, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

unrelated, basically

but 2 Reds made this iteration of the Team Joy Squad of fun-to-watch players

Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.

by Cy Schourek on Mar 24, 2011 11:14 AM EDT reply actions  

Hermida v. Lewis

I’m really interested in how this shakes out. I’d like to see Hermida on the OD roster and try to sneak Lewis through waivers, like you suggest. I won’t be crushed if we lose Lewis. Hermida’s situation almost reminds me of Hamilton – a former elite prospect hitting a ton in ST after several off years. I think it’s worth a gamble to see if he can replicate his ’07 season in Florida (900 OPS).

Also, you forgot the “why not” for Hermida.

by ken on Mar 24, 2011 11:18 AM EDT reply actions  

I did? The "why not" appears on my screen

"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 24, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

It shows up for me

Ken be smokin’ this mornin’.

"I'm telling you, my other poo story is much better." -- btcoop71

by jch24 on Mar 24, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wait

It shows up, but it’s Maloney’s info. WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON AROUND HERE?

"I'm telling you, my other poo story is much better." -- btcoop71

by jch24 on Mar 24, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

TL;DR be smokin'!

Also, SBN. Anyone else experiencing weirdness this morning?

"I'm telling you, my other poo story is much better." -- btcoop71

by jch24 on Mar 24, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Please define weirdness.

I am whatever you say I am; if I wasn't, then why would you say I am.
Eminem

by Madville on Mar 24, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ken nailed it above

"I'm telling you, my other poo story is much better." -- btcoop71

by jch24 on Mar 24, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Scratch that

Maloney got duped. My bad.

"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 24, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fix'd

by the way.

"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 24, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have to think that Hermida will get the nod. Lewis has been a ghost...

I don’t think Hermida’s spring is any indication that he’s ‘turned the corner’ or ‘figured things out’ or whatever baseball cliche can be used for his situation. But who knows? That happens to guys every once in a while.

I think I still prefer Lewis though…

Career vs. RHP -

Hermida .267/.342/.432/.774 (wOBA: .337, wRC+: 102)
WAR: 3.4, UZR150: -5.3

Lewis .280/.354/.442/.796 (wOBA: .348, wRC+: 111)
WAR: 4.7, UZR150: -2.6

I like wRC+, sue me…

by GrooveLeg on Mar 24, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think it's a virtual toss-up

I’d probably take Lewis on his defense and slight advantage in breakout potential. But I’d also be willing to make the decision on whether or not Hermida would accept being optioned.

"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 24, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was going to comment on how "Lewis has been a ghost"

because it seems like Dusty has gone out of his way to keep him out of the lineup. But I looked it up, and he’s nearly leading the team in ABs. Total mind blow.

Press spacebar to die!

by Charlie Scrabbles on Mar 24, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow... This is news to me too.

But look how clutch. 7 hits, 7 RBIs. Dusty has to like that.

by GrooveLeg on Mar 24, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Mar 24, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also

Lewis has two more years of control, while Hermida only has one.

Obviously, ideal scenario would be for Hermida to accept an option – or Lewis to slip through waivers.

"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 24, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd be pretty happy with depth in LF that included

Heisey, Hermida, Lewis and Sappelt. But it might all be moot in 2011 if Gomes gets all the starts.

"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 24, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think the breakout potential advantage goes to Hermida

I can’t remember where I saw it, but there was some study or theory on regular season breakout based on ST performance. The premise was if ST SLG is more than 200 points higher than career SLG, there’s a good chance that the ST performance signifies a breakout.

by ken on Mar 24, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

At this point I don't even care who makes the team

I just want Gomes starting less than half the games in LF. Since that won’t happen, I’m bitter!

Last month I commented that my streak of consecutive years having a player on the team that I despise might end in 2011. I really don’t want that guy to be Gomes, but I’m afraid it’s going to be. And it’ll be Dusty’s fault.

"Penus, stale beer, and day old hot dogs. Love it"--justin007000

by nycredsfan on Mar 24, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not at the end.

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Mar 24, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Or the beginning.

I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. ~ Winston Churchill

by BigBabyBruce on Mar 24, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 24, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't imagine that 35 spring training PAs or so (in Arizona)

would be grounds to conclude much of anything. But I’ll grant that Hermida has the higher ceiling, based on past prospect status. And he is younger.

I just think that Lewis has had steadier production and higher valleys in his career. So I’d lean toward him for the mid-career surge. Again, probably a toss-up.

"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 24, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Younger, schmunger

It isn’t like either of these guys is the Face of the Future. They’re one-year-or-two and out. You get whatever mileage you can from their tires.

AW, just never fuckin' mind, OK?

by johnu1 on Mar 24, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, but you're going to get more mileage out of 27 year old tires than 30 year old tires.

Hermida is probably close to his physical peak – while Lewis is well on the decline.

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by andromache on Mar 24, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think what they need to figure out is who will accept a demotion to AAA.

Each player would be at the cusp of the next call up if there was an injury. Would Hermida accept the demotion? He played in AAA pretty much all last season. Lewis might be the one that would balk at going to AAA and then we would have to eat his $900,000 salary.

I think the decision will come down to how they keep both players.

I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. ~ Winston Churchill

by BigBabyBruce on Mar 24, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Spoken like a true ....

These guys are in good physical condition. Being 30 doesn’t mean you are in decline. Trust me on this. If he was 45, I might agree that his reaction time is down. But the dispute over 27 vs. 30 is laughable, sorry.

It just … is.

AW, just never fuckin' mind, OK?

by johnu1 on Mar 24, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess that is true, but statistically speaking 27 is when a player begins his peak.

Around the age of 30, I believe 31 is more accurate, a player starts his decline.

Now this may not mean anything for Lewis, but overall it seems to be the case.

I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. ~ Winston Churchill

by BigBabyBruce on Mar 24, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe to the degree of ... say, one hit a month

How much decline are you willing to measure?
I could also argue that a 30-year-old is three years smarter than the 27 YO guy … and is worth more in experience.
That veteran presence is worth a lot when we have so many young whippersnappers in camp.

AW, just never fuckin' mind, OK?

by johnu1 on Mar 24, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

You could also think of it that way.

I’m not a statistician I was just trying to point out that the experts believe there is a small window for a player’s peak, and usually that peaks ends around the age of 30-31.

Do I think it is negligible? Probably. But, I also know that if it can add up I’d rather have the player that we can control for a longer period of time during his peak years.

But, that also means that Hermida would have to be at least an equal player in terms of talent to Lewis. That has yet to be seen.

I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. ~ Winston Churchill

by BigBabyBruce on Mar 24, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, if it's about control over the contract, yes

… again, these are not the players who are the face of the franchise. Controlling their contracts is of really minor value.

Peak years … they’ve already proven to be .250 hitters. If they catch a fly ball in left field, fine.

AW, just never fuckin' mind, OK?

by johnu1 on Mar 24, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess you could always just say the players are replaceable so it doesn't matter.

I just know that I’d rather keep the guy that is three years younger and has more team control years left. Also the options are big thing.

I think we will keep Lewis basically because he has no options, and I do not see Walt signing a guy to a ML deal then releasing him.

I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. ~ Winston Churchill

by BigBabyBruce on Mar 24, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I suggested this at the bottom of the page

.. still another comment ignored. Most of these guys are just “outfielders” with some MLB time behind them. Being 27, 30, anything in between … these are the guys who are out there playing baseball. Roy Hobbs isn’t a free agent this year.

AW, just never fuckin' mind, OK?

by johnu1 on Mar 24, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I tried to read through them all, but I failed.

I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. ~ Winston Churchill

by BigBabyBruce on Mar 24, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually, it's somewhere north of Liz Taylor now ...

but it’s no big deal. It was more about our pitching anyhow.

AW, just never fuckin' mind, OK?

by johnu1 on Mar 24, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Spoken like a true" what? No, really, I'm reallly interested to hear this.

It isn’t laughable – although thanks for providing such detailed argument to support ridiculing my statement.

Aging curves exist. I concede that in the context of a backup outfielder who will have a limited role, there’s not much to be concerned about – but you could make that argument about caring at all whether Lewis or Hermida is going to play.

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by andromache on Mar 24, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is a graph.

I am impressed that you found a graph.
What you have NOT done is prove to me that a 27-year-old backup outfielder is significantly healthier (if I can use that word) than a guy who is a mere 3 years older. These men train with the best of equipment, eat right, make the effort to improve their craft and … are paid well for that.

This isn’t about America the general population.

This is about highly skilled professional athletes whose career is molded on the principle of good physical health.

The aging process is natural but the skill levels that they have aren’t marginally different until they’ve been beaten up a little more.

And I was jesting about your spoken like a true … but I think I rang your chimes. I tend to do that just to see if you are paying attention. I do not intentionally ever insult someone.

AW, just never fuckin' mind, OK?

by johnu1 on Mar 24, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

It doesn

AW, just never fuckin' mind, OK?

by johnu1 on Mar 24, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

wtf ...

It doesn’t indicate that.

AW, just never fuckin' mind, OK?

by johnu1 on Mar 24, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

What do you think the graph is about?

I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. ~ Winston Churchill

by BigBabyBruce on Mar 24, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK you all win.

I just want to make it clear that the difference between 27 and 30 is fine and dandy … I will curse the moment Fred Lewis misplays a ball that Hermida would easily have gotten.

Janish would get all of them.

AW, just never fuckin' mind, OK?

by johnu1 on Mar 24, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is Hermida that much better in LF?

Regardless of the argument I would rather see Heisey get the majority of the playing time.

I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. ~ Winston Churchill

by BigBabyBruce on Mar 24, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I heard that Lewis isn't all that great.

Compared to Gomer, probably.
I agree, I’d rather have Heisey.

AW, just never fuckin' mind, OK?

by johnu1 on Mar 24, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought so, but I'm not sure.

I always thought that Lewis’s multiple gaffes in LF is what made him an average defender.

I guess I haven’t looked into their defensive metrics much. Again I figure it comes down to the argument about they are 4th-5th outfielders so it doesn’t matter much.

I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. ~ Winston Churchill

by BigBabyBruce on Mar 24, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is this an eating contest?

I’m game.

Wings?

Pizza?

There is no statistical trend that can explain my excellence.

I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. ~ Winston Churchill

by BigBabyBruce on Mar 24, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

We can just attribute it to Brendan's veteran presence.

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by andromache on Mar 24, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

You wanna be the champ?

You gots to beat the champ.

"I'm telling you, my other poo story is much better." -- btcoop71

by jch24 on Mar 24, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm in.

That’s not ’Shopped.

It’s the 521, a hamburger featured at McCovey’s, a Walnut Creek, CA eatery with a Willie McCovey motif. The burger features 44 oz of meat, but in all honesty it was the bun that was in every sense the toughie. I’m positive they microwaved it a number of times as it had that signature cardboard consistency microwaved bread gets.

Sure, it took me an hour.
But after leaving McCovey’s I hiked up to Coit Tower without gastronomic distress.
So there. Nyahh.

Nomadic baseball fan, with no agenda other than observation/conversation/mass confusion/mass consumption.

by victor frankenstein on Mar 25, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

You sure about that, guy?

I think our dude has you beat.

And the full report

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by BK on Mar 25, 2011 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't believe he ate that

I can’t believe anyone can eat all that.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Mar 25, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I excused myself and deposited approximately 1-2 burgers into the men’s room stall.

Forfeit.

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by victor frankenstein on Mar 25, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

The beer killed me

I don’t drink now. :)

"I'm telling you, my other poo story is much better." -- btcoop71

by jch24 on Mar 25, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ehh, I give you the nod.

That’s a ton of input.
That there was more room out than in does not surprise me.

Also, since waking up from a blackout in a car that was sliding sideways down an AZ highway yet through the grace of whatever managing to walk away w/o one of MY hairs – or anyone else’s for that matter – out of place I don’t drink outside the house.

Good on ya.

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by victor frankenstein on Mar 26, 2011 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

The fries were the hardest part for me, easily

That’s a lot of bread, that would suck.

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by jch24 on Mar 25, 2011 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

i could never eat that much, ever

and i am like 2 of you.

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by justin007000 on Mar 26, 2011 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm bigger than I seem

I hover around 180 lbs which isn’t that light. Of course I’m also 6’4" so it’s stretched out a bit. :)

"I'm telling you, my other poo story is much better." -- btcoop71

by jch24 on Mar 26, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

My plate appearances

sometimes three a day … but I am glad I could provide such unenlightened discourse over the aging process.

The last time I went to the plate, I got pork chops.

AW, just never fuckin' mind, OK?

by johnu1 on Mar 24, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Solid choice, johnu, solid choice.

You’re right, I really do get overly combative when someone tells me my position is laughable, just because “it is”. But my panties are un-bunched now; so, I’m sorry.

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by andromache on Mar 24, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

You said panties.

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by BigBabyBruce on Mar 24, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Do not ever assume that I am controntational

without reason .. argumentative and opinionated, yes, and defensive about some things I find dear to me … I tend to see both sides of a comment, which is a fault at times.

AW, just never fuckin' mind, OK?

by johnu1 on Mar 24, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hasten to add that I don't depend on statistics much

That tends to piss people off a little more than usual. I always think statistics are used when the ability for conventional debate is wavering.

AW, just never fuckin' mind, OK?

by johnu1 on Mar 24, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's nothing wrong with being skeptical about stats

Especially when applied from a general pattern to an individual. I think Hermida gets a slight advantage here, in part because of age. But he wouldn’t be the first player to peak at 23, and Lewis would have plenty of company if he improves at 30. But I don’t know enough about these guys to say why either might defy the general aging patterns.

by ken on Mar 24, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

With beans?

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by BigBabyBruce on Mar 24, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you factoring in Ben's Chili Bowl to the numbers?

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Mar 24, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

But I am factoring in that 8 piece Popeye’s I ate last night (for $4.99!).

by Brendanukkah on Mar 24, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely.

We have a couple of grocery chains out here in AZ with delis that do the $5 for eight piece chicken deal. And when I’m doing a lot of cycling (bikes, not ‘roids) that’s a fine hungerstomper.

The seventh and eighth pieces tend to laugh at you a little – they’re usually the meatier backs, and you’ve already taken up a lot of capacity with the wings and thighs that seem to float to the top of the bag and jump into your hands first.

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by victor frankenstein on Mar 25, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

The graph is for baseball players, thanks.

And the physical decline is far more important for athletes than for the general population. Look at athletes in other sports more physically demanding (in certain ways) – there are more older mlb players than nfl, or nba players.

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by andromache on Mar 24, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK you win.

AW, just never fuckin' mind, OK?

by johnu1 on Mar 24, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I get to be 65 later this year

I sense your agony.

AW, just never fuckin' mind, OK?

by johnu1 on Mar 24, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I also was more athletic at 27 than I was at 30

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Mar 24, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would probably be pointless?

"Penus, stale beer, and day old hot dogs. Love it"--justin007000

by nycredsfan on Mar 24, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I confess to having damned few photos

that poignantly illustrate a point beyond the superfluous.

AW, just never fuckin' mind, OK?

by johnu1 on Mar 24, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the difference between 27 and 30 matters a lot more

when the 30 year old’s game is built primarily around speed.

That’s the first thing to go, so it’s entirely likely Lewis has lost a step from his last few years. If that’s the case, his BABIP, SB, and defense could all suffer a decline.

Still rather have him in the lineup against RHP than Gomes.

"Penus, stale beer, and day old hot dogs. Love it"--justin007000

by nycredsfan on Mar 24, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

This, I buy

Esp. if the knees have been abused.

AW, just never fuckin' mind, OK?

by johnu1 on Mar 24, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where's my money?

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by BigBabyBruce on Mar 24, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn

I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. ~ Winston Churchill

by BigBabyBruce on Mar 24, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just have Walterbucks

AW, just never fuckin' mind, OK?

by johnu1 on Mar 24, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

That looks legit.

I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. ~ Winston Churchill

by BigBabyBruce on Mar 24, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, I didn't get it until now

nice.

Let's not kid ourselves. It's really, really, bad.

by Cy Schourek on Mar 24, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pitching

I am not as worried about pitching as I am the hitting and baserunning.
First off, I don’t think the Reds will depend on pitching as much as they will their hitting. We need servicable starts and good run support. The back end of the bullpen is our strong suit anyway.
Second, until we’re clear about Cueto’s immediate future, there isn’t much that can be done about the solid(arity)(ity) of the rotation.

As for Hermida, et al, it would make no sense to sign anybody you can’t option. Having a position player whose choices are to make the team or be cut would be really wall-bashing front office management, something that maybe the Angels would do.

AW, just never fuckin' mind, OK?

by johnu1 on Mar 24, 2011 11:48 AM EDT reply actions  

And let's not forget that we are putting an exceelent defenseive team on the field.

Rolen – GG candidate
Janish – GG candidate
Phillips – GG candidate
Votto – average
Ramon/Hanigan – great defense
Bruce – GG candidate
Stubbs – very good
LF – a disaster when Heisey isn’t starting.

That’s a REALLY strong defensive lineup.

I CHUBB WHEN STUBBS CLUBBS!

by PeteyHendrix on Mar 24, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heh

Funny thing, I think you are underrating our boy Stubbs. He might just be the best one of the whole dang team.

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by Charlie Scrabbles on Mar 24, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't disagree.

Scouts all say this, yet I don’t think many of us thought he gave a GG performance in 2010. I hope he wins one in 2011. The Reds have legit shots at 5 GG in 2011.

I CHUBB WHEN STUBBS CLUBBS!

by PeteyHendrix on Mar 24, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stubbs had a few lapses out there, but overall I'd say he played great defense and was worthy of the GG

The NL GG OF was Victorino, Bourn, and CarGo. Nobody that’s definitely better than Stubbs, imo. Not that they’re undeserving, but Victorino and Bourn got it by prior year reps. CarGo probably got his by hitting really well and making a few highlight reel catches. Stubbs had more putouts than any of them.

by ken on Mar 24, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, Bourn is legit

he’s definitely among the best outfielders in the NL. But Stubbs might be up in the same league by 2011. I hope so.

Victorino and CarGo got it because there just aren’t any OFers that jump out at you in the NL. Jay Bruce definitely should have won rather than CarGo IMO, but offense still counts for those GGs.

by kcgard2 on Mar 24, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

No doubt Bourn is very good

I just don’t see him as definitely better than Stubbs. Great range, but his arm is just okay, iirc. Like Bruce, Victorino’s got a cannon.

by ken on Mar 24, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

question for Chicago Reds fans...

I’m thinking about getting the traditional red-on-red Reds hat. Only this is, it’s a pretty well known gang color/symbol up here, and although I live in a good part of town, you never know who’s on the L at 2 in the morning (didn’t Justin have a run-in cause of the shirt colors awhile back?)

Am I completely overreacting here or is this a legitimate concern? Back in Cincy, no one would look at you funny, but up here I’ve seen more than one brotha with a Reds hat and I highly doubt they’re sitting there debating whether or not Hermida or Lewis will get the last spot on the roster, if ya get what I’m saying….

"Live every week like it's shark week. And dress everyday like you're gonna get murdered in those clothes." - Tracey Jordan

by RedinWrigleyville on Mar 24, 2011 11:59 AM EDT reply actions  

do what you want

who cares what other people think?

if you’re really concerned, don’t go into neighborhoods where that hat isn’t welcomed. and i’m not talking about wrigleyville.

by Daedalus on Mar 24, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sometimes it's a little easier said than done

When gangs are on the move, they tend to be cranky.
But I see what you mean.

AW, just never fuckin' mind, OK?

by johnu1 on Mar 24, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

train was in Lincoln park when i was hit.

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by justin007000 on Mar 24, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

if they have a gun, yes I care what they think

And ask whoever it was on here that got beat up because they had a red sweater on, in the middle of Lincoln Park.

"Live every week like it's shark week. And dress everyday like you're gonna get murdered in those clothes." - Tracey Jordan

by RedinWrigleyville on Mar 24, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not to make light of it

The gang problem is pretty serious.
I don’t have any recommendations. If wearing red is a potential problem, then try for some plaid or gray. I would say that showing support for your favorite baseball team is fairly low on your public agenda.

AW, just never fuckin' mind, OK?

by johnu1 on Mar 24, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

on the contrary; pissing off Cubs fans with Reds love is #1 on my public agenda

"Live every week like it's shark week. And dress everyday like you're gonna get murdered in those clothes." - Tracey Jordan

by RedinWrigleyville on Mar 24, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK, then you've drawn the line in the sand.

Cubs fans, gang members … I live out here in peaceful NW Indiana and can wear my Reds jacket anyplace I like. Telling Cubs fans to get screwed isn’t even necessary. I just mention 1945 and they know what it means.

AW, just never fuckin' mind, OK?

by johnu1 on Mar 24, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would say 1908

But that would be needlessly cruel and it isn’t necessary. Just being a Chicken Fu … Cubs fan is bad enough.

AW, just never fuckin' mind, OK?

by johnu1 on Mar 24, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Way worth several rec's

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by johnu1 on Mar 24, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is horrible advice.

I know that living in LA, you do not want to wear Reds caps. Mrs. Petey taught in South Central, and those caps are banned (as are the colors blue and red on any garment). The reason is that someone from a gang might mistake you for a rival (be it in your car, walking down the street). Killing rivals is one of the ways that folks jump into gangs or exact revenge.

I think you’d be a fool to wear a Reds cap in a number major U.S. cities.

I CHUBB WHEN STUBBS CLUBBS!

by PeteyHendrix on Mar 24, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is true

I see them all the time here out west, and I do wonder sometimes if wearing mine in the wrong place would end up in some trouble. If I’m in LA at any point, I’ll be leaving it at home.

One thing I do want to point out, if you do see a “brotha”, as it was put, wearing one, that does not necessarily mean he’s part of some gang. I’ve known a few "brotha"s who wear the hat because its a popular style hat within their culture. None were affiliated with a gang.

by pack_fan on Mar 24, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wear it with a blue shirt to cover your bases

Get it? Cover your bases?

I have a picture I could post here, but….

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by jch24 on Mar 24, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

well i was simply wearing a red sweater

the problem was more that my buddy exercised absolutely horrible judgment.

My advice is to probably only wear it in the day.

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by justin007000 on Mar 24, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

The rotation scares me. Lots of potential, but at some point potential has to produce.

Lewis has to have the 5th OF job locked up, right? I mean, why sign the guy if he’s got to prove himself in 40 spring ABs to make the club? Let Sappelt play every day at AAA until you’re ready for him to play everyday at GABP. Same with Mesoraco and Alonso.

by Sean Lahman on Mar 24, 2011 12:07 PM EDT reply actions  

What do you mean potential has to produce?

Four of their starters had a FIP below 4 last season. The 5th, Arroyo, always outperforms his FIP. Leake was the worst, but he’s also the youngest and least experienced.

"Penus, stale beer, and day old hot dogs. Love it"--justin007000

by nycredsfan on Mar 24, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

The rotation scares me too if it doesn't have Cueto in it for an extended time

Volquez/Wood as a #2 starter doesn’t look so great. If I had to guess right now, the rotation will not be a particularly strong point for the Reds this year.

by kcgard2 on Mar 24, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

eh, I get your concern

but still I like it as a strong point compared to other teams who don’t even have 5 starters. Depth like that, even without #1s or #2s, counts for something.

by pack_fan on Mar 24, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmmmm.

Potential is only potential – at the MLB level a relatively small amount of potential develops into consistent production.

I am whatever you say I am; if I wasn't, then why would you say I am.
Eminem

by Madville on Mar 24, 2011 12:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Speaking of which ..

did I miss the Giants preview?
And the Chicken Fuckers? Cubs

AW, just never fuckin' mind, OK?

by johnu1 on Mar 24, 2011 1:26 PM EDT reply actions  

And don't forget : HELEN KELLEN still dead.

God's dice always have a lucky roll.
Sophocles

by Madville on Mar 24, 2011 3:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Abe Vigoda

NOT.

AW, just never fuckin' mind, OK?

by johnu1 on Mar 24, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just wanted to be sure I had something straight

if we place Lewis on waivers and someone claims him we either would have to pull him back or allow the team to take him, but that would also mean they would pay his salary? I’m pretty sure thats how it works.

If thats the case, and we view Hermida and Lewis as equal, I option Lewis because it would maybe allow the team to save 1M and apply it either to the draft, next year, or wherever. Especially this if optioning Hermida might mean he wouldn’t accept the assignment.

by pack_fan on Mar 24, 2011 7:08 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm not completely sure, but I think the team picking him up would only be responsible for the league minimum

That would be subtracted from what he was supposed to get from us, leaving us with a ~500k tab.

by ken on Mar 24, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually

if he is claimed off waivers, the assuming team must pay his whole salary. If he is put on waivers, not claimed, and then is released outright, then the assuming team will only pay the minimum.

Still, it’s penus either way.

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by Charlie Scrabbles on Mar 24, 2011 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

ok thats what I thought

was just now typing something along those lines

by pack_fan on Mar 24, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is true. But to pack_fan,

At this point in the year, if he is claimed off of waivers the Reds have to let him go. The only time in the year when waivers are revocable is in August.

"Penus, stale beer, and day old hot dogs. Love it"--justin007000

by nycredsfan on Mar 24, 2011 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok, good info

I was wondering if the post-trade deadline rules were different

by pack_fan on Mar 25, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

so few roster spots

so many questions.

Amazing how up in the air things are, considering how constrained the roster is this year.

Fred Lewis has had an underwhelming spring training, but jeez, it’s spring training. Small sample size and all. Keppinger was batting under .100 in spring training when they traded him, wasn’t he?

Still, it does seem like Gomes is going to be the everyday LFer, against both lefties and righties. And to give Dusty credit…he seems to be sticking with Janish as the starting SS.

If he’s serious about resting Rolen even more than last year, that’s going to be an awful lot of Miguel Cairo. With Renteria not comfortable at 3B and Janish playing SS full time, the Reds have limited options for backup infielders. It would be nice to have a Juan Francisco, or Chris Valaika, or Todd Frazier, to back up Grandpa Rolen, but the roster math is implacable.

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by BubbaFan on Mar 24, 2011 11:40 PM EDT reply actions  

So, what's wrong with Cozart?

I thought he had a real chance to make the team.

Announcer: "Just out of the reach of Berkman"

by johnu1 on Mar 25, 2011 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Never.

The only chance he had of making this team was to be so impressive that they’d have to start him every day at SS in the majors.

I CHUBB WHEN STUBBS CLUBBS!

by PeteyHendrix on Mar 25, 2011 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think Cozart ever had a chance of making the team

Despite ’creds dreams.

They said a couple of years ago that they expected him to be in the majors by September 2010, but he didn’t hit all that well in AAA. And Janish has been more than serviceable, so there’s no need to rush him.

I think the Reds already knew what they were going to do with most of the farm kids before spring training started, and nothing they did in spring training would change that. It’s a really small sample size, and a fluky situation in general. (Pitchers “working on things,” the veterans goofing off and not taking it seriously, etc.) They aren’t going to screw around with a player like Cozart, who is still a prospect, based on a few weeks of spring training.

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by BubbaFan on Mar 25, 2011 5:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't really think he'd make the team

It’s still my dream that he’ll be the starting SS by July, though.

"Penus, stale beer, and day old hot dogs. Love it"--justin007000

by nycredsfan on Mar 25, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

But what of Janish?

WHAT OF JANISH?!?!?!?

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by jch24 on Mar 25, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

we'll trade him for Hanley Ramirez

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by BubbaFan on Mar 25, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

And put Hanley in LF?

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Mar 25, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

No

You put Phillips at SS and Hanley at 2B.

SS is Phillips “natural” position.

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by BigBabyBruce on Mar 25, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

So when do you start taking seriously your prospects?

Screwing around with them in spring drills is when you are supposed to see if they can play.

I would be OK with this decision if we hadn’t hired two guys in the past two years who ought to be joining me at the Social Security office this summer.

Announcer: "Just out of the reach of Berkman"

by johnu1 on Mar 25, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think most teams

look at how their kids play in the minors to decide when to call them up. Larger sample size and all.

Never mind the clock issues…

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Mar 25, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Spring training is when Dusty refuses to make player decisions due to the small sample.

It is also when Dusty uses a sample of about 10PAs to determine his lineups for the remainder of the year.

I CHUBB WHEN STUBBS CLUBBS!

by PeteyHendrix on Mar 26, 2011 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

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