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Cactus League Game 26: Reds @ Padres

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Cincinnati Reds
@ San Diego Padres

Wednesday, March 23, 2011

4:05 PM EDT
Peoria Stadium

Homer Bailey vs. Tim Stauffer

Coverage:
TV: None; RADIO: 700 WLW, XEPE 1700; WEB: Gameday, Gameday Audio

Sunny. Game time temperature around 75.


Spring is winding down and the batteries need recharging. The ailments of the starting pitchers have been well-documented, including Bronson Arroyo's bout with an especially virulent "Inquisition" strain of what may well be the Spanish flu. But the catchers are hurting too. Hanigan was out with a hand thing Monday and Hernandez has been shelved with pain in his throwing elbow. He's able to swing the bat without pain and is set DH in a minor league game today, so there's no talk of missing the start of the season yet. But Dusty could be forced to dial down his playing time to preserve him.

Reds.com is marketing this one as a bullpen showcase, pitting Dontrelle Willis, Matt Maloney and Sam LeCure - who will pitch behind Bailey - in a race for those last bullpen spots. Throw Jared Burton in there and that's the remaining field. While Mike Leake has done little to inspire confidence that he's ready to rejoin the rotation, all signs point to LeCure and Maloney remaining on the bullpen track and Leake on a collision course for a start against the Diamondbacks on April 9. Leake is not at all a surprising choice to be named fifth starter. But he also hasn't strung together two effective outings in a row since last summer. Control and downward movement are crucial to Leake's attack and he just doesn't seem to have either right now.

Homer Bailey is looking to stretch out some more in preparation for a start that, as a result of Arroyo's health, is due fall on Opening Night/Game Two against the Brewers. Meanwhile, Fred Lewis and Jeremy Hermida - both of whom all of a sudden may be competing against each other for a bench spot - arein the lineup today.

I'm in the mood for a masterful pitching performance. Or at least one where the pitch count is reached sometime after the 3rd inning.

Star-divide

Lineups

Cincinnati Redssan diego padres
Brandon Phillips 2B
Will Venable RF
Edgar Renteria SS
Chris Denorfia LF
Jeremy Hermida RF
Orlando Hudson 2B
Fred Lewis LF
Brad Hawpe 1B
Chris Heisey CF
Chase Headley 3B
Juan Francisco 3B Cameron Maybin CF
Miguel Cairo 1B
Nick Hundley C
Corky Miller C Kevin Frandsen SS
Homer Bailey P
Tim Stauffer P

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Wow

Best comment, in regards to Cueto:

Elbirdos67 1 day agoin reply to rdm3

Naw, he shoulda been thrown outta baseball. Rose was banned for much less. Don’t forget he also scarred Carpenter with his spikes.

by ams78 on Mar 23, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cincinnati.com reads the comments and smirks...."Amatuers."

"I'm telling you, my other poo story is much better." -- btcoop71

by jch24 on Mar 23, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

No joke

There’s a poster called “NoSection8” here.

BTW, anyone see the article? The city was prosecuting the protesters that had a banner up when Arizona visited GABP. The case was dropped because the city didn’t tell the Reds that they needed a witness. Or the Reds forgot to send somebody.

Either way, I smell a liberal conspiracy!

by ken on Mar 23, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

This sort of confuses me.
Reds spokesman Michael Anderson said he was unaware of the case and could not provide a reason why a Reds representative was absent.

This sort of seems like the kind of thing you would want your PR guy to be aware of. I mean, did the Reds care about the disorderly conduct charge at all?

"there no countrey called west xylophone" Youtube

by andromache on Mar 23, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's what I'm thinking

They don’t have a dog in that fight and are best served by staying out of it.

"I'm telling you, my other poo story is much better." -- btcoop71

by jch24 on Mar 23, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

This made me think of that case we discussed about the off-duty Cincy cop

who ran over and crippled a black man last year. Does anyone have an update?

I CHUBB WHEN STUBBS CLUBBS!

by PeteyHendrix on Mar 23, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is all I could find

Article about the sentencing.

"I'm telling you, my other poo story is much better." -- btcoop71

by jch24 on Mar 23, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, and that sentence is absolutely insane

"I'm telling you, my other poo story is much better." -- btcoop71

by jch24 on Mar 23, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

What is "community control" anyway?

"there no countrey called west xylophone" Youtube

by andromache on Mar 23, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nevermind, just probation.

"there no countrey called west xylophone" Youtube

by andromache on Mar 23, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

HOLY FUCKING BALLS!

Imagine this: your wife is struck and nearly killed by a drunk driver who is an off-duty cop of a different race. A nearby driver (also of a different race than your wife) stops, sees her lying there, and tells the drunk driver to run away (a felony), and they both flee the scene, leaving her there to die, thousands upon thousands of brain cells dying every second. Luckily she is revived, but has permanent brain damage, and will live her final 60-70 years in a wheelchair. The two who fled then hide for three years, but eventually give themselves up when they are all-but-caught. Then neither of them serve a day of jail time, and the cop even keeps his job and driver’s license.

Just how outraged would YOU be?

If you live in Cincinnati and don’t do anything about this, I am ashamed of you. Judges and prosecutors need to be voted out/run out on a rail. Restitution must be paid by the perpetrators, neither of which should have a drivers license nor a government job.

This story nauseates me and boils my blood.

I CHUBB WHEN STUBBS CLUBBS!

by PeteyHendrix on Mar 23, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm finally able to vote in Cincinnati, and can't wait

Of course the same people will get voted back in, but at least I’ll feel better knowing I tried.

"I'm telling you, my other poo story is much better." -- btcoop71

by jch24 on Mar 23, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

A little

"I'm telling you, my other poo story is much better." -- btcoop71

by jch24 on Mar 23, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

it really is

you are just voting for corporate shills.

Until I am on a ballot, voting will be a waste of time. But once I win there will be no more voting, because well everything important that voting can achieve has already happened.

Red Reporter: Driving that train high on cocaine.

by justin007000 on Mar 23, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I feel like I lose my right to complain if I don't vote.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Mar 23, 2011 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is completely backwards

if you don’t vote, than you are not responsible for who is in office, you had nothing to do with it, so you have every right to complain. Those who put him in are the one’s who have no right to complain.

Carlin

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by justin007000 on Mar 23, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I believe in the Manuel Noriega school of government

One man, one vote.

AW, just never fuckin' mind, OK?

by johnu1 on Mar 23, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is right up there

with the cop white Hamilton County Sheriff who beat a black man who was driving erratically do to diabetes, with in an inch of his life, because his blood sugar was so low he couldn’t fully comprehend the situation. The sheriff actually pulled the guy out of his car and beat him severely, and if it weren’t for a State Trooper driving buy and happening to stop to make sure everything was okay, there is a good chance he might have killed the driver.

That guy is still walking around with a badge and a gun, his punishment was to be transferred to a different part of Hamilton County.

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by justin007000 on Mar 23, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's pretty standard

Usually, they have to change departments.

I remember when true life video highlight style shows first came out. They’d show police just whoopin on people. I remember one where the guy cuffed him behind his back first, then in front of his vehicle camera proceeded to pound on him. If you’re going to run, you better get away.

by ol Pete on Mar 23, 2011 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only in Cincinnati.

Or America before the 1930’s.

I CHUBB WHEN STUBBS CLUBBS!

by PeteyHendrix on Mar 23, 2011 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

If it happened anyplace, this would be an egregious act against a human

My interest in the topic is that, while I get the issue over perceived motive, subtracting that motive still makes this an evil act.

AW, just never fuckin' mind, OK?

by johnu1 on Mar 23, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's all cool in Cincinnati though.

The guy whose policies pretty much started a race riot is throwing out the Opening Day first pitch.

by FordhamRam on Mar 23, 2011 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I think there is needless bashing of Cincy people

by stereotyping them this way. I will leave that to people who know more than I do. I just react to what I learn.

AW, just never fuckin' mind, OK?

by johnu1 on Mar 23, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

is this serious?

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by justin007000 on Mar 23, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

In the sense that it's an appropriate action, no.

In the sense that our city seems to praise the legacies of the brutally inept at race relations, then yes.

by FordhamRam on Mar 23, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess I tend to be a bit more balanced

The assumption here is that this is a crime that could only be committed by and approved by a racist (read that: white) community (read that: all white people) … um … I happen to see and know about similar events that happen in Gary by the majority there against the minority.

There, they just call it bad behavior. Race isn’t considered a motive.

Dunno … I find the act appalling regardless.

AW, just never fuckin' mind, OK?

by johnu1 on Mar 23, 2011 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

i mean is the guy throwing a pitch?

like I could totally see that happening.

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by justin007000 on Mar 23, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, when you wrote that

i thought you meant Officer Roach.

Streicher is bad, but having Roach do it would just be insulting.

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by justin007000 on Mar 23, 2011 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think there was a motive at all, much less a racial one

Two dumbasses were drunk and racing their cars on Queen City Avenue. They damned near killed a guy and didn’t serve ONE DAY in jail. All because of where they work.

"I'm telling you, my other poo story is much better." -- btcoop71

by jch24 on Mar 24, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Less, outraged? Yes.

Because the slippery slope argument would have less merit.

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Mar 23, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't buy into many slippery slope arguments.

I think this could be properly argued as systematic tolerance of racially-influenced behavior.

I don’t think race played much of a part…but if the person lying there was a pretty little white girl, the firefighter might have at least tried CPR instead of conceptualizing and executing a cover-up.

I CHUBB WHEN STUBBS CLUBBS!

by PeteyHendrix on Mar 23, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can assume that

As I get it, the guy was drunk.

AW, just never fuckin' mind, OK?

by johnu1 on Mar 23, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I will stop being part of this topic.

This isn’t the proper way for me to discuss such issues.

AW, just never fuckin' mind, OK?

by johnu1 on Mar 23, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I feel the same way about the Sheriff brutality thing I linked

If the deputy would have pulled a 19 year old white girl out of a car who was having a medical emergency, lit her up with a taser 7 times, busted the glass of her window, cut her seatbelt after trying to drag her out with her seat belt on, dislocated her elbow, and caused her to need hundred’s of thousands of dollars of medical care, and sent her to jail after she was released from the hospital, there would be much much more outrage.

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by justin007000 on Mar 23, 2011 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree here with the public "outrage" as you put it

All issues aside, it seems to be the public’s perception of what happens in Cincy that drives me nuts. No uproar over the wrong doing, but you have to believe if roles/races were switched there would be a much larger outcry.

I agree with john on a few things. First, it’s too difficult to talk these issues here, but these acts are equally reprehensible no matter of what race of officer/victim. But, the lack of outcry/empathy for minorities in the Nati is a joke.

by kennythered on Mar 23, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its not unique to Cincy.

by ol Pete on Mar 23, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Double Sigh

I am whatever you say I am; if I wasn't, then why would you say I am.
Eminem

by Madville on Mar 24, 2011 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

True. It is not unique to Nati.

But there are a whole lot of cities where if this went down, EVERYBODY would know about it, and more people would be losing their jobs and resigning.

I CHUBB WHEN STUBBS CLUBBS!

by PeteyHendrix on Mar 24, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would love to see a a fan group at GABP called "Cueto's Cuteys"

similar to “Grady’s Ladies” in Cleveland.

Press spacebar to die!

by Charlie Scrabbles on Mar 23, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I nominate Cueto's Cuaffles

I think we all know who the president would be.

"I'm telling you, my other poo story is much better." -- btcoop71

by jch24 on Mar 23, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

The Cueto Consortium for Conspiratory Cuaffles

It’s like the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, but co-ed – and with spikes.

I CHUBB WHEN STUBBS CLUBBS!

by PeteyHendrix on Mar 23, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Man, that was my favorite insult as a highschool freshman.

I’m sure I told every single person I knew at that point that their mother was one.

"there no countrey called west xylophone" Youtube

by andromache on Mar 23, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like your style.

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Mar 23, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

rec'd

I CHUBB WHEN STUBBS CLUBBS!

by PeteyHendrix on Mar 24, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

They may find Nyjer Morgan's body

in the trunk of somebody’s car one of these days.
I don’t think MLB will be sad if that happens.

AW, just never fuckin' mind, OK?

by johnu1 on Mar 23, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would

I love me some hard nose baseball players. I’d want a guy like Morgan on my team any day. Even if he get the golden sombrero, He can still find a way to get into someone’s head.

"Never fight a land war in Asia"

by Excalib8 on Mar 23, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

For touching His Most Royal Highness?

I guess its kind of like showing the Queen your backside.

by ol Pete on Mar 23, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

ROAR!!!!!

2-run jack for END!

I CHUBB WHEN STUBBS CLUBBS!

by PeteyHendrix on Mar 23, 2011 4:28 PM EDT reply actions  

shit. he makes the team.

Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Mar 23, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

shit.

he makes eats the team.

Tanzen!

by Verka Serduchka on Mar 23, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

roar

I CHUBB WHEN STUBBS CLUBBS!

by PeteyHendrix on Mar 23, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sigh.

I am whatever you say I am; if I wasn't, then why would you say I am.
Eminem

by Madville on Mar 24, 2011 7:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

The 'Stache Smash singles!

It’s a super-sexy rally, ladies!

I CHUBB WHEN STUBBS CLUBBS!

by PeteyHendrix on Mar 23, 2011 4:30 PM EDT reply actions  

And dancing!

"I'm telling you, my other poo story is much better." -- btcoop71

by jch24 on Mar 23, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I found it to be borderline hypnotic

"I'm telling you, my other poo story is much better." -- btcoop71

by jch24 on Mar 23, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure you did

but you could have warned me that it was probably not all that safe to open at work.

Press spacebar to die!

by Charlie Scrabbles on Mar 23, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

fat_guy_in_speedo_dancing.gif didn't give it away?

And don’t tell me you’re dumb enough to click links I post when you’re at work, I refuse to believe that. :)

"I'm telling you, my other poo story is much better." -- btcoop71

by jch24 on Mar 23, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, believe this

You’re a butt salad!

Press spacebar to die!

by Charlie Scrabbles on Mar 23, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I found it to be borderline erhypnotic

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Mar 23, 2011 4:51 PM EDT reply actions  

So,

Fay thinks Lewis might not make the team

As Lewis’ most vocal supporter, I will say that if Heisey gets a bunch of starts in LF I won’t hate that. But if Gomes starts 140 games and Heisey and Hermida ride the pine all year I’m gonna be pissed. ESPECIALLY if Heisey starts for Bruce a bunch against lefties. How stupid will it be if Bruce sits against a lot of lefties but Gomes always starts against righties?

"Penus, stale beer, and day old hot dogs. Love it"--justin007000

by nycredsfan on Mar 23, 2011 5:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed

And Hermida has the best pedigree and it would be no stretch to see him become our best option, but I don’t envision him getting a whole lot of run.

by kennythered on Mar 23, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

He'll get the Nyx treatment

and Madville can have a new mancrush.

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Mar 23, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

poor Crolfer.

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by justin007000 on Mar 23, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

No way - I have already fallen for Gomesy

I am whatever you say I am; if I wasn't, then why would you say I am.
Eminem

by Madville on Mar 24, 2011 7:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Has anyone ever played the card game Set?

His getup reminds me of that game— a perfect balance of matching and mismatching.

by the finest muffins on Mar 24, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm starting to think they're going to take Hermida

He offers similar splits to Lewis, though less speed and possibly less defense. Skill wise it might be a wash. The tie-breakers are Hermida’s prospect status, spring performance and ability (I think) to refuse assignment.

They might even be able to slip Lewis through waivers.

"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 23, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

If waivers is a tie-breaker, Lewis has the edge

I read that Hermida doesn’t have the right to refuse an assignment. Either that, or he has said he’ll accept one. And while true that Lewis might slip through waivers, that’s significantly more risky.

"Penus, stale beer, and day old hot dogs. Love it"--justin007000

by nycredsfan on Mar 23, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't see why he wouldn't

He has 5 years of MLB service. Maybe he’d accept an assignment, but I hadn’t read that.

"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 24, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

From the tweetdeck:

@johnfayman @dmiller9500 Is he on Reds prospect list?//I have no idea // Maybe you should check. You know, your job that we support.

I CHUBB WHEN STUBBS CLUBBS!

by PeteyHendrix on Mar 23, 2011 5:21 PM EDT reply actions  

sheesh, man.

Are you trying to get blocked?

"Penus, stale beer, and day old hot dogs. Love it"--justin007000

by nycredsfan on Mar 23, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

He didn't block me.

But if he had, I would literally phone his editor myself.

I CHUBB WHEN STUBBS CLUBBS!

by PeteyHendrix on Mar 23, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

doubtful.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Mar 23, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why such anger, young Petey?

Aren’t you Cali folks supposed to be mellow?

"Penus, stale beer, and day old hot dogs. Love it"--justin007000

by nycredsfan on Mar 23, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who's angry? I'm calm and reasonable about this.

I just want what I am paying for through my readership.There is no reason a beat writer should ever bluntly answer a relevant question with: I have no idea.

He’s done it multiple times this week, and it’s inappropriate, slackerish, and rude. If he can’t do his job reasonably and doesn’t treat his readers reasonably, then it’s time for him to be replaced with someone who cares enough to take pride in their work.

I CHUBB WHEN STUBBS CLUBBS!

by PeteyHendrix on Mar 23, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's being a sassy bitch...

  johnfayman John Fay
RT @PeteyHendrix @johnfayman Maybe you should check. You know, your job that we support.//I’ll refund the cost of following me on Twitter

I CHUBB WHEN STUBBS CLUBBS!

by PeteyHendrix on Mar 23, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

But he went back and answered the question, which he wouldn't have without my prodding:

johnfayman John Fay
RT @TheRichWayne @johnfayman RT Fairel is listed as #2 LH SP in BA book but not in Top 30

I considered several responses, including:

“I’m just concerned that the price of following you on Twitter is getting rudely glib answers to relevant questions.”

I CHUBB WHEN STUBBS CLUBBS!

by PeteyHendrix on Mar 23, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

he probably would have been better served to respond

don’t know at the moment, I will look it up.

Or to say I’m not your wikipedia, BITCH!

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by justin007000 on Mar 23, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just riled things up more.

Some dick asked why people berate teh Fya for not looking things up when they could do it themselves.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Mar 23, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

THis one's a gem...

  johnfayman John Fay
Good deed of the day: Guy next to me was searching for his glasses. I asked if I had seen them. Told him he had glasses on. Problem solved.

I asked if I had seen them. GOLD!

I CHUBB WHEN STUBBS CLUBBS!

by PeteyHendrix on Mar 23, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

He has a point

You aren’t paying anything to him for his Twittering. Also, it’s not really his responsibility to you as a beat writer to know about and/or look up semi-obscure prospects and report about them on Twitter.

You might think it’s slackerish and rude, but you were really rude too. He didn’t even need to retweet that question about Fairel. Because he did is at least a bit courteous, and started the discussion for others who might know about him to chime in.

I think you were being the butthead in this situation.

"Penus, stale beer, and day old hot dogs. Love it"--justin007000

by nycredsfan on Mar 23, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wrong

Fay should be our Reds research librarian. He should be on call 24/7 whenever we have any question about the Reds!

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by justin007000 on Mar 23, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree.

Remember, this is the second time in as many days that he has been asked a question by a follower to be answered with “I don’t know.” If you’re not going to answer a question, why be so publicly glib about it as to tweet it?

As for the question, he asked about a Reds prospect that is in Reds camp whom Fay may or may not know much about. He asked if he was on the Reds prospect list, which I take to mean, “Is he on the Reds’ radar” or “Having seen/not seen him around, do you think he’s just organizational fodder?” While Fay could have ignored the question were he to deem it too obscure, he instead publicly blew it off in a glib manner. Fay has access to people who know EXACTLY where a player stands, and may well have seen/noticed that player in/conspicuously absent from games of a certain level or traveling squads or uniform number. Fay has access to all that info, we don’t…except maybe the uniform number.

As for my response, it was a follow up to yesterday’s tweet when he did the same thing to a VERY reasonable question:

@rmlargent @johnfayman Reds get some money to work with on an insurance claim if Cueto is DL’d a lengthy time?//Not sure. //You should ask.

Is it John’s job to look up obscure stuff? No.

Is it his job to look up information so relevant that many people are asking the question when he has easy, non-public access to the answers? Yes, actually it is.

He could have answered yesterday’s question by saying, “I’m looking into that for tomorrow’s blog” rather than blowing the guy off glibly. Same scenario today, less relevant question, same unhelpful answer that was ruder than silence.

While it is true that I do not directly pay for access to his twitter feed, he only has that feed as a function of his job as a beat writer for the Cincinnati Enquirer. He links frequently to this blog, which contains many advertisements. He even answers many questions by saying “read the blog,” which I don’t have a problem with. But not a single person in baseball would trudge through his blog if he wasn’t given monopoly-type access to the Reds. He gets that access, again, solely as a function of his job as a beat writer for the Cincinnati Enquirer.

So I do, in effect, like all of you, pay for Fay’s tweets. They are done on the Enquirer’s dime, in his Enquirer-paid lodging on his Enquirer-based laptop, while he eats Enquirer-paid food. And who pays for all of that? We Reds fans do. Not Cincinnati citizens, not baseball folk, not Fay’s interested relatives nor his fanbase of folks who read him just for the literary appeal. It’s us. And there is no reason why he needs to be rude about it.

I CHUBB WHEN STUBBS CLUBBS!

by PeteyHendrix on Mar 23, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, the problem is

that many in his/my industry resent the corporate pressure for constant social media access. Fay is getting pressure because his position and ability to make the company money will be irrelevant if he does not. And Fay, I assume, still thinks of himself as “A Print Writer” and resents the fact that his workload (engagement) is tripling (if not more) for the same money, if not less. I’m intimately familiar with the syndrome. He has the access that bloggers lack because of the legacy of the beat writer role and the corporation behind him, but he currently lacks the acumen to navigate the snarky waters of social media. Until he has the epiphany that it’s interact or perish, the snarling will continue.

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Mar 23, 2011 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think it's a problem of interaction though.

Perhaps it’s because I don’t follow any other teams’ beat writers, but the guy keeps an active blog and Tweets during almost all of the games. He’s slightly humorous when he feels its appropriate and still provides us information we may not otherwise be privy to receiving.

The problem he’s facing here, it seems, is that the extended content he’s in charge of providing only increases the microscope he’s examined under. If you’re a gifted writer, that’s no problem. If you’re mediocre, it can cause some problems. And whaddya know, it’s causing problems.

by FordhamRam on Mar 23, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well that's absolutely true.

Exposure gets you exposed. I’m not defending Fay, only talking about the symptoms of his illness.

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Mar 23, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with most of what you said.

I actually think he’s one of the columnists that’s doing a decent job of weathering the storm. Frankly, even if they have steady jobs (for now), it’s hard to be jealous of anybody who is working for print media today. It’s an art being funded by individuals who have no clue how to change their business models.

by FordhamRam on Mar 23, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have very mixed feelings on Fay

We are both dyslexic so I understand that proofing is difficult for him. But at the same time I feel that in an industry that is struggling the cream should rise to the crop, and more qualified people who can write well could have his job.

But yet he does work pretty hard, he provides us with a lot of information usually in a timely fashion. Plus I would be pretty annoyed if I were a beat writer, had trained to be a journalist, and now I am expected to serve as a research librarian. It was one thing 10 years ago when writers only interaction with the readers was for the weekly questions.

But that being said Fay has proven to be more valuable than McCoy over the last few years. McCoy never adjusted to the new era, he wrote his blog pretty much like a second column, or just an early draft of the column. He does not interact with readers within his blog like Fay does. There is also no interaction on his twitter page. His blog is not used as a vehicle to provide breaking information like Fay’s is either. You don’t go to McCoy during the season to get the first news on a demotion, promotion, injury, or the typical boring transactions that occur. That information usually comes from Sheldon or Fay. Also Fay has been much more willing to use some new stats. Has McCoy ever written about OPS?

The real question is, with the facts that mlb.com provides us, and the ability for blogs like Redreporter to provide serious analysis, how useful is Fay? Which I mean it sucks for Fay, alot. He is in his 40s or 50s I believe, but isn’t really old enough to have a nice retirement savings, but is a bit old to change careers, and when he got into this profession, his writing issues were masked by editors long before his work got the presses, and the most important contribution he made was his willingness to find information.

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by justin007000 on Mar 23, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

None oof any of these comments convince me that he is justified or excused in being so glibly rude.

Better to not say anything then to respond rudely, and he damn well knows better.

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by PeteyHendrix on Mar 23, 2011 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

The 140 character thing pretty much explains most of that.

He tries to answer most of the questions (other than the REALLY obvious trolls) and it’s hard to do that with having the questioner’s name in the message.

by FordhamRam on Mar 23, 2011 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll check on that = I have no idea

They are 4 characters apart in length.

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by PeteyHendrix on Mar 23, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's not an example of him being rude, though.

That’s an example of him just not willing to follow up. The guy isn’t used to being a press secretary; it’s not in the job description to answer questions in addition to asking them. In fact, he might even consider that the “I’ll check into that” line is so patronizing that he’s unwilling to use it.

by FordhamRam on Mar 23, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a lifer in the print industry

I found myself on countless occasions being asked by the public to fix something that they believed was broken. It was as if they depended on the newspaper to make life right for them. I was inclined to point them toward the people who could help.

When that failed, a different set of rules.
But the instant interaction that bloggers and journalists have now … and the potential for abuse and misquoting, etc etc … if I were Fay, I’d just say “I write this stuff. You read it if you want.”

A sports reporter is, however, more of an entertainer. Fay isn’t missing that end of it. But he isn’t very good at it.

AW, just never fuckin' mind, OK?

by johnu1 on Mar 23, 2011 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only in the context that his readership is telling him directly what information they desire.

And then he can use that question as a tip, and do with it as he pleases: ignore it, answer it then, consider it for his next blog or article in which it is his job to give his readership the information they desire.

Not many industries have the advantage of being able to speak directly to their end users for useful, timely input.

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by PeteyHendrix on Mar 23, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are there important questions that he ignores?

I mean, the question about our fourth outfielder isn’t high-anxiety.

AW, just never fuckin' mind, OK?

by johnu1 on Mar 23, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

We might be the vocal minority though.

A (diminishing but) significant amount of people read the Enquirer. A large number of people read the free Cincinnati.com content. Much fewer read his tweets and even fewer interact with him on Twitter.

by FordhamRam on Mar 23, 2011 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree.

I think he is not willing to follow up, and the twitter rudeness is a separate issue.

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by PeteyHendrix on Mar 23, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

You don't disagree.

It is a separate issue from rudeness. Frankly, not lying about his lack of willingness to follow up kind of mitigates a bit of the rudeness.

by FordhamRam on Mar 23, 2011 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, I don't understand your comment.

But I am interested in what you are saying, so would you attempt to re-state it?

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by PeteyHendrix on Mar 23, 2011 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry. Jameson getting to me.

I agree with the fact that there is a difference between his laziness and his rudeness.

However, I think it’s better for him to say “I don’t know” than to say “I’ll check into it” if he has no actual intentions of doing so.

by FordhamRam on Mar 23, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. :)

Thanks for re-stating.

I was worried I was being obtuse, and that my asking would be misconstrued.

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by PeteyHendrix on Mar 23, 2011 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fay has done a much better job, IMHO, this year

Last season, I thought he was slow to react to news and slow to present new information. But he’s done a lot better this year staying on top of the Reds information basket.

I think for people who aren’t regular contributors to team-centric blogs like this one, Fay does a fine job.

I won’t evaluate his spelling. Some folks are crappy typists on these funky keyboards. I make plenty of typos myself and I’ve been typing since …

AW, just never fuckin' mind, OK?

by johnu1 on Mar 23, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some people die of exposure..

Sadly some don’t.

I am whatever you say I am; if I wasn't, then why would you say I am.
Eminem

by Madville on Mar 24, 2011 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

In a sentence, about this ... from my h.p.o.v.

If Fay or anyone else encourages questions, then he ought to acknowledge that the question, if it has merit, deserves answering. This is the second sentence, but a well formed and thoughtful question should not be met with “I don’t know” … after he has encouraged people to ask well formed and thoughtful questions.

AW, just never fuckin' mind, OK?

by johnu1 on Mar 23, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

well put

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by PeteyHendrix on Mar 24, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yay!

I think.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Mar 23, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

McCulloch once drew Brad Radke comparisons.

He was the ace of Texas’ 2005 national championship team and went 29th overall to the White Sox in the 2006 draft. He hasn’t done much of anything since High-A ball in 2007. Coming out of college with a decent fastball and plus change, he was regarded as a very safe pick with a the ceiling of a No. 3 or No. 4 starter.

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by Thundering Turtle on Mar 23, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Fay may not be our Reds research librarian

but TT is mos def our prospect research librarian.

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by Charlie Scrabbles on Mar 23, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks

doesn’t sound like a terrible pick up, he may figure something out. Probably won’t, but I like these moves.

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by justin007000 on Mar 23, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder what happened

He just looks extremely hittable. I wonder if he lost FB velocity.

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by nycredsfan on Mar 23, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

His velocity began to dip during his draft season.

He’s a “pitchabilty” guy anyway, so the loss of oomph on the fastball hurt. His curve appears to have lost some bite, too. It once was considered near-plus.

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by Thundering Turtle on Mar 23, 2011 8:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

wow, no FB and a lame curve

sounds like a Hall of Famer to me.
Why do we make these deals?

AW, just never fuckin' mind, OK?

by johnu1 on Mar 23, 2011 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe a scout saw what he perceives flaw in his mechanics

thinks he may no something that nobody else does, and that the coaches in the Reds organization can fix him.

Remember that the Reds pulled Pete Shoureck off the scrap heap, when he was thought to be done, and got a season of a Cy Young runner up from him.

Also Brandon Phillips was on his last chance. An Indians fan from down the hall knocked on my door and just started laughing at me when that trade happened, I didn’t even know how Brandon Phillips was at the time. But he had pretty much reached Larson status in Cleveland, and now he is an All-Star and Gold Gloved second baseman, who’s combination of offense and defense makes him one of the most valuable second basemen in the game.

It doesn’t hurt, it probably won’t help as 99/100 of these have no impact what so ever.

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by justin007000 on Mar 23, 2011 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I get it

When I look at our current pitching roster and realize how tough it is to get on the 25-man, it would seem that somebody is just making trades because, well … that’s what organizations do. Make guys have to move.

AW, just never fuckin' mind, OK?

by johnu1 on Mar 23, 2011 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

AW, just never fuckin' mind, OK?

by johnu1 on Mar 23, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are also talking about an infielder

This guy is a mid-20s pitcher who has, as TT says, clearly diminished skills that aren’t difficult to recognize. His odds of being Roy Hobbs are pretty near to zero.

AW, just never fuckin' mind, OK?

by johnu1 on Mar 23, 2011 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess

but BP was 25 when the Reds got him, in his previous 4 seasons he had a slash line of .206/.246/.310. His OPS+ was 48!!!!

In 112 games in AAA in 2005 Phillips slash line was .256/.326/.410. He OPS’d at .734 as a repeating AAA player. He had all the appearances of a failed prospect who would only get more chances because of his previous status, not because of what he had accomplished. There was no reason to believe that over the next 5 years he would OPS .773 as a full time big league player.

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by justin007000 on Mar 23, 2011 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

BP is the reason you keep looking, I agree

I don’t think that’s as likely with pitchers, though.

AW, just never fuckin' mind, OK?

by johnu1 on Mar 23, 2011 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Could become a relief pitcher

There are plenty of useful relief pitchers who didn’t make it until their late 20s.

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by justin007000 on Mar 23, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you say so : = )

AW, just never fuckin' mind, OK?

by johnu1 on Mar 23, 2011 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

boooo

John, you should have to look it up as punishment for mocking the justin!

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by PeteyHendrix on Mar 24, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would have loved to have developed Brad Radke

He was a quality pitcher, he only failed to achieve 200 innings in three out of his 12 seasons, which included his rookie and final year. He was good to the organization, but when he was done he walked away, there wasn’t anything real awkward, no Barry Larkin situation. He just hung it up.

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by justin007000 on Mar 23, 2011 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kinda sounds like a Mike Leake type.

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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Mar 23, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

D-Train is getting D-railed

and we need some real baseball real bad.

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by Charlie Scrabbles on Mar 23, 2011 5:51 PM EDT reply actions  

they have a monorail at jungle jims?

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Mar 23, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep

the bought it from Kings Island

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by justin007000 on Mar 23, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

It just goes between two stations, right?

it was built for the World’s Fair and it seems to be more for show than for utilitarian transportation needs.

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by justin007000 on Mar 23, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup

It costs more than the DC Metro (which is saying quite a bit), and goes to just one station, which is maybe 3/4 of a mile away from your point of origin. Plus it’s liable to break down and get stuck with the air conditioning off.

by Brendanukkah on Mar 23, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, Brockway, Ogdenville and North Haverbrook have all had years of successful monorail culture

But Seattle just its one two years ago. It’s had incredibly high ridership, which leads Seattleites to think its the best monorail that’s ever existed.

by Brendanukkah on Mar 23, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

and it drops you off in the middle of a downtown mall...

on the 3rd floor.

It’s totally a scam.

Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Mar 23, 2011 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seattle monorail is amusing

nothing more. It doesn’t do anything special and it’s more a museum piece than a functional transportation system.

AW, just never fuckin' mind, OK?

by johnu1 on Mar 23, 2011 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

if i remember correctly

it was originally intended to do more than that, but the politicians didn’t want to pay for it to actually be a useful piece of mass transit, so it was something pretty for the World’s Fair.

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by justin007000 on Mar 23, 2011 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

The thing was pre-Microsoft

I’ve been on the thing. It’s fairly 70s in design and kind of feels like you are in one of those futuristic magazines that showed how life would be in the 21st century.

I don’t recall if the thing was money-strapped but they had grand plans for the Worlds Fair. Now a lot of what’s going on out there is Paul Allen’s ecentricity. The guitars museum is pretty cool, fwiw.

AW, just never fuckin' mind, OK?

by johnu1 on Mar 23, 2011 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

Although I think the building is hideous.

by Brendanukkah on Mar 23, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Most of Seattle's architecture is hideous

The Space Needle is kind of cool, but the closer you get to it the more it looks like an abomination. Their Public Library which is supposed to be so great does nothing for me.

by Brendanukkah on Mar 23, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

The library

They tapped Allen’s wallet quite a bit. Naturally, he had input into the design. The thing is scary. Whatever happened to normal colors? That’s not a library. It’s a monument to random thought.

Now they have some art in the park that includes some more of it. As they say in Seattle, if it’s old and useless, put a fence around it and call it art.

AW, just never fuckin' mind, OK?

by johnu1 on Mar 23, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whoa

Blake Tekotte is up. He went to my high school.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Mar 23, 2011 6:02 PM EDT reply actions  

facing former Helias pitcher Sam LeCure.

Certainly not for the first time.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Mar 23, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does Arizona effect our pitchers ability to prepare

it seemed like Mike Leake and Arthur Rhodes were the only Reds pitchers who had a good April last year.

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by justin007000 on Mar 23, 2011 6:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Half the other teams practiced there too.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Mar 23, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

i know

i kinda wonder how Cactus League teams compare to Grapefruit League teams.

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by justin007000 on Mar 23, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

buhbuhbuh that's because he's a badass.

Ahem, “Staff Ace” is the preferred nomenclature.

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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Mar 23, 2011 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

most?

What do the rest do?

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by BubbaFan on Mar 23, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

This would have worked out a few years ago.

The AA to AAA kids could have taken the Chattanooga Choo-Choo.

by FordhamRam on Mar 23, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Imagine it

Well the Belle of Louisville just pulled up, who is going to be boarding it to go to Louisville? It would make everyone really nervous when they see it docked outside GABP.

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by justin007000 on Mar 23, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought this blog was about trains.

Then again, my Pirates preview will answer this another other questions in lurid detail.

AW, just never fuckin' mind, OK?

by johnu1 on Mar 23, 2011 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I have been fay'd

whatever I meant by “and” is the same thing as “another”

nobody reads my posts anyhow.

carry on.

AW, just never fuckin' mind, OK?

by johnu1 on Mar 23, 2011 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, how bout them Redlegs?

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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Mar 23, 2011 8:25 PM EDT reply actions  

They'd still name it The Paul Brown Monorail.

And people could only use it 8 days a year.

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by PeteyHendrix on Mar 23, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

He doesn't sound like he embarrassed himself

I’d still put his chances at about 5%, but at least he’s saying the right things and taking it seriously.

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by BK on Mar 23, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

you don't have to yell man I'm right here

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by BK on Mar 24, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds like Dontrelle had another bad game

I’m pulling for him, but I think he needs to work on his control in Louisville at this point.

by ken on Mar 23, 2011 9:26 PM EDT reply actions  

or in the Northern League

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by justin007000 on Mar 23, 2011 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is impossible for me to tell

if the pitching in Arizona sucks or whether that’s being used as an excuse.
I would also need to understand Bryan Price’s strategy on getting his pitchers ready.
I guess time will tell on that, but control should not be a problem even if they are pitching on Jupiter.

AW, just never fuckin' mind, OK?

by johnu1 on Mar 23, 2011 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, Mike Anderson left Mizzou.

Dirty traitor.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Mar 23, 2011 9:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Upgraded

Looks like he’s trying to revitalize Arkansas. It’d help if he can hang on to BJ Young

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Mar 23, 2011 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

He just proved a lot of people wrong.

Mizzou nation is pretty angry with him right now.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Mar 23, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

About that...

"On March 4, Missouri coach Mike Anderson wanted to clear up any speculation.
He was not abandoning the Tigers for Arkansas and he even called a reporter with the Columbia Daily Tribune, who had doubts about whether Anderson was telling the truth, to make sure his message was heard.
"I plan on being at Missouri for a long time, retire here," Anderson said.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Mar 23, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

he could keep an off season home there

and retire to Missouri, and it isn’t a lie.

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by justin007000 on Mar 23, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's my thought too.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Mar 23, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Four seniors this season... wow.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Mar 23, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Five...

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Mar 23, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's the reality

Most coaches coach the same way. They take the players they can buy (aka recruit) and try to find the ones who can get them as far into the tournament/playoffs as they can … with the money at stake.

If you, as a fan, give a fiddler’s fuck about the coach beyond that, you would be better served to wish for different grandparents.

What you want is that All-World 7-footer who can get you a moment in the fast lane. The kid will go pro the next year and the system will move along as it always does.

So what if the coach lied? Any idea what they earn for a salary?

It’s scary.

AW, just never fuckin' mind, OK?

by johnu1 on Mar 23, 2011 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anderson's making 2.2 M now.

Highest paid coach without a final four appearance, methinks.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Mar 23, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't bet on it.

Lots of guys don’t make the F4.

AW, just never fuckin' mind, OK?

by johnu1 on Mar 23, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Borrowing this from Mizzou's SB Nations site:

Calipari ($4M) 2 FFs (vacated)
Izzo ($3.4M) 6 FFs, one title
Donovan ($3.3M) 3 FFs, two titles
Self ($3M) 1 FF, one title (how does he only have one FF)
Matta ($2.5M) 1 FF, staring at a possible title
Pitino ($2.25M), 5 FFs, one title
Coach K ($2.2M), 11 FFs, four titles
Anderson ($2.2M) …

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Mar 23, 2011 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, that would support your premise

I think Self may be in line for another title.
Man, that team is scary good.

AW, just never fuckin' mind, OK?

by johnu1 on Mar 24, 2011 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

It helps that they have the easiest path to the final four ever.

screw kansas.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Mar 24, 2011 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ohio State is scary good

If they make it out of their region and to the FF they have a great chance…But the hard part is just making it out. They got screwed in their draw.

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Mar 24, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

to win

(by seeds) they’d have to beat UK, UNC, Duke & Kansas. The four winningest teams in basketball history. i think tOSU is the best team, but i think it’s very unlikely they would win all of those games.

by 'tHan on Mar 24, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I agree

But they have the right amount of senior leadership to go along with Sullinger. I think they’re good enough to go through all of those teams – with the possible exception if Duke turns into the early season team they were with Irving

Of course they also have Matta coaching them…so I’m hoping he screws things up for them.

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Mar 24, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure where these salary figures are coming from

but they are waaaayyyy light on Coach K. Also, Roy Williams & Jim Calhoun make more than 2.2 million.

Anyone know how much arizona is paying Miller?

by 'tHan on Mar 24, 2011 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, just saw that- Coach K is making something like 4 mil.

Like I said, I just stole it from someone at the SB nation site for Missouri.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Mar 24, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

/Matta'd

/Miller’d

/bitter

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by BK on Mar 23, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Go find Brad Stevens and give him a blank check

You won’t even know who Mike Anderson is in a few years.

"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24

by BK on Mar 23, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man

I wish. I don’t see us getting him though.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Mar 23, 2011 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't see him leaving Butler for a long time

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Mar 24, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not a chance at IU

Crean is in it for the long haul. With his recruiting class coming in for 2012 there’s absolutely no way Glass fires him.

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Mar 24, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Crean is an awful coach (without Dwayne Wade)

the people that run IU have done the worst job in college basketball for the last 15 years.

they have completely destroyed that brand.

by 'tHan on Mar 24, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well they certainly held onto Knight too long

And Davis was just doomed from the start. And then Sampson just blew up the whole damn program. Crean started over from scratch, absolutely nothing. But I think Crean is going to do fine (admittedly I’m an IU basketball fan through and through). He has a system he wants to implement but the players right now just aren’t good enough. He scrambled to get left over players like Verdell Jones and those are the types that are leading IU right now. Not exactly a recipe for success. Add to that the fact that the best player – Mo Creek – has been injured the last two years and you have what you have right now.

He’s recruiting the type of players that are going to fit into his system of play. The 2012 class is coming together nicely and the addition of Zeller next year should help shore up a central problem for the Hoosiers recently – namely the lack of height and having to have players like Elston and Pritch play undersized in the middle. Sure, IU nation is a little worried but with the circumstances that he was under coming in, he has a little lee-way. Although the leash is certainly getting shorter and shorter, no doubt.

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Mar 24, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's blasphemy!

If they ever got rid of them there would be riots in Bloomington

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Mar 24, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Probably more appealing to 18 year olds, just slightly

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Mar 24, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Aren't most freshman in college 18 year olds?

I guess I was thinking more about when they step foot on campus and not the recruiting process

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Mar 24, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh ok

i was indeed talking about recruiting.

i probably should have said 15-18 year olds.

by 'tHan on Mar 24, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

No

I think Stevens is a good coach, no question about that. But I’m not sure he can recruit the high level athletes that a school like Indiana should get. He lost out on Cody Zeller – this after his team just played in the National Title game. And he lost Zeller to Crean. And I’m not really sure how he would handle the high pressures of the job. It’s one thing to succeed in the Horizon, it’s another to succeed at Indiana and in the Big Ten.

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Mar 24, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fair point

But I still wouldn’t take him right now.

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Mar 24, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

You think so?

I just get a sense that he’s more comfortable at the small school, doing well there. I’m not sure how he would handle the pressure at a big school.

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Mar 24, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.

I don’t really see him leaving Butler for a while.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Mar 24, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Looks like D-Train is comin off those tracks

When do we sign Charlie Sheen?

"We start wit straight--shots then get the bottle poppin!"

by OGC Reds on Mar 23, 2011 10:52 PM EDT reply actions  

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