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Hope? Change? Yes We Can! Your 2011 Washington Nationals

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In 2008, America had decided it had seen enough of "politics as normal" in the White House, and elected a new President to lead our nation.  A mere two years later, America had decided it had again had enough, and changed the balance of power in the House of Representatives, and made it a lot closer in the Senate as well.  Apparently, America can not decide what it wants to be.

I say all of that not because I want to start a political debate, or because I have some hidden agenda: I say it to point out the ridiculous comparison to the the town business that the Nationals bear.  The Nationals have changed the make-up of their team in a ridiculous fashion several times over the past couple of years.  The question is, have they gotten better, worse, or mostly just changed the faces of futility?  Last year they finished dead last in the division with a 69-93 record.  Will the changes be mostly cosmetic, or is there some real substance hidden at the Navy Yard? Let’s take a look, shall we?

Star-divide

Rotation:

SP Livan Hernandez

Livan Hernandez is the old guy of this group. He brings a lot of veterany-ness to this team, but at 36, one has to wonder how much he’s got left in the tank.  He put up a solid season last year with a WHIP of 1.32 and an ERA+ of 110, but you have to expect some regression as he gets a little older.  Still, the man’s got WS rings, and has been around awhile, so don’t expect him to give up the ship easily.

SP John Lannan

Hey Jude, this younger guy, from time to time, will Ask Me Why he doesn’t get nearly the love he should. Sometimes, I just have to ask him whether he’s been living in a Yellow Submarine. I mean, Yeah Yeah Yeah, your ERA+ of 87 last year seems like an anomaly, but Ob-la-di, Ob-la-da: It’s been regressing since 2008, your sophomore season!  You’d better get it together, because when Strasburg is ready, it could be "Hello, Goodbye."

SP Jason Marquis

The "marquis" signing (pun fully intended) of the 2009 offseason was the pick-up of Jason Marquis.  Unfortunately he sucked. (2-9, ERA+ of 61, WHIP of 1.705) in a season where he dealt with some injuries, as did the rest of the staff.  The Nationals will need him to rebound this year for the team to have a chance.

SP Jordan Zimmermann

Jordan Zimmermann is a young guy who missed most of last season after undergoing TJ surgery.  His rehab will be important for the Nationals to watch; not only because of his performance on the field, but also because it could serve as a prediction of what may happen with Stephen Strasburg, who normally would have the first spot on this list (as well as the first spot on my fantasy team.)

SP Tom Gorzelanny

I’m sure the Nationals meant well here, but Gorzelanny has traditionally not been the answer for teams looking for another starting pitcher. He put up an ERA+ of 106 last year in Chicago, which is about career average, but maybe a change in scenery would be good for him.

Next guy up: Ross Detwiler

Bullpen:

Drew Storen
Craig Stammen
Doug Slaten
Sean Burnett
Tyler Clippard
Todd Coffey
Detwiler/Chien-Ming Wang

The bullpen seems fairly set in stone, save for the long reliever spot.  Storen really impressed a lot of people last year, and should be A-OK as a closer.  Clippard (known in DC as Peaches) is a dominant setup guy. Slaten/Stammen are a decent lefty/righty combo, and of course, we’re all familiar with Todd Coffey. Nothing is great here, but nothing terrible (except Wang, who probably won’t be healthy enough to get the spot anyway.) 

Lineup:

C – Ivan Rodriguez

Pudge is getting old (39). OPS+ of 73.  Calls the game well, good leader-type.  Not much more to say about an all-star past his prime.

1B – Adam LaRoche

Congratulations, Adam.  You get to replace Adam Dunn!  Enjoy that job.  Your defense is infinitely better, and you don’t hit as many homeruns.  Career OPS+ of 114 should be nice though.

2B – Danny Espinosa

Espinosa is a rookie.  Should have a nice glove, but no bat.  Real Paul Janish Type.

SS – Ian Desmond

Desmond had a pretty bad rookie campaign, but hope springs eternal in March.  He led the league in errors with 34, and Totalzone rates him low (admittedly, in less than one season) at 9 runs below average.  One would hope that he improves across the board this year, especially if one has him on his fantasy baseball team.

3B – Ryan Zimmerman

Werth may be the big bopper on this team, but Zimmerman will be the star on this team for years to come.  A legitimate all-star candidate at the age of 25, Zimmerman is going to be a legend in the DC area, the likes of which haven’t been seen since Walter Johnson.  He put up an OPS+ of 142 last year.

LF – Michael Morse

Michael Morse seems to have won the starting spot here by virtue of the fact that he is Not Rick Ankiel.  Actually, last year at age 28, he OPSed .870 in 293 PA’s, so there’s some potential here.  The question is, can he keep it going in a full season?

CF – Nyjer Morgan

Morgan is a pretty fast dude, but he’s got to learn to keep his head on straight.  Too much crazy for my taste, but if you like crazy along with a career OPS+ of 90, then Morgan’s your guy.  He was 3rd in the NL with 34 stolen bases though.

RF – Jayson Werth

Werth definitely would be the "big addition" this year that the Nationals needed (if only they could have held on to Dunner!) .  Werth put up a career-best line of .296/.388/.532/.921, and got a big fat 7 year, 122 million dollar contract from the Nationals at age 31.  Good luck with that, Nationals!

Bench

C Wilson Ramos
UT Jerry Hairston Jr.
UT Alberto Gonzalez
OF Roger Bernadina
OF Rick Ankiel

Again, there’s not much to say here.  Ramos came over in the Capps deal from Minnesota, and should be a lock to get the starting job whenever Pudge hangs it up.  We’re all familiar with Cherry, who along with Alberto Gonzalez should be able to fill in any IF or OF position. (Gonzalez is probably just an IF).  Bernardina is really fast, and Ankiel used to be a pitcher, but can really hit.  That’s about all I have to say on that.

I can’t seem to locate a BHAS, a TOAS, or a JEAS among the crowd.

Bold Prediction:

The Nationals had an offseason full of sound and fury, but it signifies nothing as they improve only one game to 72-90.  It’s ok for them, though, because they’re just waiting for Strasburg to get healthy and Bryce Harper to get to the big leagues.  As for a Christian Bale movie that represents them: I submit this:

 

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There are going to be some Harsh Times in DC this year, but things will eventually come around.

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I think we need to pre-emptively name Bryce Harper the Jim Edmonds All Star

Because i already don’t like him.

Also, they probably won’t be good, but if they only win 72 games, I’ll eat my hat.

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by nycredsfan on Mar 16, 2011 9:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Grimwig'd

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 16, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

they only have two plus bats and a shaky rotation

72 sounds reasonable, maybe generous.

by ken on Mar 16, 2011 10:28 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'd consider LaRoche "plus"

Maybe not for his position, but he’s solid. Desmond should be better. And I personally think Jordan Zimmerman is going to be very good. If he’s not, you’re right, they will royally suck.

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by nycredsfan on Mar 16, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Adam LaRoche is going to fill the Adam Kennedy role

As the guy I think is Adam Dunn when the announcer starts off saying, “Addddddddddddddddddaaaaaaaaaaaaaammmmmmmmmmmm…”

by Brendanukkah on Mar 16, 2011 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Career 114 OPS+

i’d put that as a solid “meh” out of a 1B. Dan Driessen had a career 113 OPS+

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by obc2 on Mar 18, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would have to agree.

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by BigBabyBruce on Mar 16, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have no problem with that . . .

but that’s only because Leatherpants is no longer their GM.

by FordhamRam on Mar 16, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree. I know little about Harper other than that he comes across as a hard core douchebag.

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by Hawkeyegirl96 on Mar 16, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

what?

No mention of our favorite Natinal, Laynce Nix?

And here I thought they were changing their name to the Naytionayls in his honor.

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by BubbaFan on Mar 16, 2011 9:40 AM EDT reply actions  

You would have to bring up Laynce

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by Madville on Mar 22, 2011 6:16 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Wasn't Ankiel one of their "big" signings during the offseason?

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by Corky's Stache on Mar 16, 2011 10:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Nah, that was Renteria, man.

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by Farneyismycopilot on Mar 16, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't say espinosa has no bat

he has good power and walks an ok amount. the avg certainly isn’t going to wow you. maybe I’m just telling myself that since I own him in the RRL league though.

by pack_fan on Mar 16, 2011 11:43 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm certainly hoping for a big year from Desmond, at least.

My fantasy team depends on it. I’m not sure about Espinosa. I’ve learned to underestimate until someone shows me something.

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by ZJiff30 on Mar 16, 2011 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

strikes out a lot, and I guess he had hamate surgery recently

had a good spring so far though, couple homers. Anybody’s guess how he’ll do this year.

by pack_fan on Mar 16, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Livan is only 36

i really thought he was closer to 63 than 36. He has been pitching for ever.

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by justin007000 on Mar 16, 2011 11:58 AM EDT reply actions  

He probably's closer to 63.

Cuban baseball players lie about their ages more than barfies.

by FordhamRam on Mar 16, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heeeeeeeeyyyy!

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by jch24 on Mar 16, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was shocked at that as well.

I thought for sure he was closer to Pudge’s age.

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by ZJiff30 on Mar 16, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I went to Nats Park three times last year

Livan pitched all three games. He is a torturously slow worker. I think he sneaks some Ben’s chili cheese fries out there with him to snack between pitches.
Agree with the preemptive naming of Harper to fill the JEAS role. I think Werth can hold that spot till he’s ready.

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by poojols on Mar 16, 2011 3:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

his velcotiy can't help the speed of the game

i’m pretty sure his fastball wouldn’t get a speeding ticket in a school zone.

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by justin007000 on Mar 16, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

that is under construction

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by justin007000 on Mar 16, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course not.

Fastballs can’t drive cars, silly Justin.

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by crolfer on Mar 16, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I was really hoping someone would tie that in.

That’s one of my all-time favorite songs.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Mar 16, 2011 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

well done, ma'am.

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by ZJiff30 on Mar 16, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

i love livan

as long as he isn’t on the reds, that is

by Daedalus on Mar 16, 2011 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

He wears his war wound like a crown

And boy, he sure like his money. Even spends his days counting in a garage by the motorway.

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by nycredsfan on Mar 17, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

anyone have Livan's career stats vs Reds?

id be interested in seeing his stat line.

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by obc2 on Mar 18, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

www.baseballreference.com

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by justin007000 on Mar 18, 2011 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just can't get interested in this outfit

Even if they win, the fans are just a bunch of people who live around there pretending to be important because they live down the block from somebody who currently is important.

But I can see them shoving the Mets into fifth place.

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by johnu1 on Mar 16, 2011 2:35 PM EDT reply actions  

I could offend them worse if I tried.

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by johnu1 on Mar 16, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pfff

You aren’t important enough to get pissed off at this.

Press spacebar to die!

by Charlie Scrabbles on Mar 16, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

she is important

she is RR’s senior resident artist on staff.

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by justin007000 on Mar 16, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

She's right, I suppose, after all.

I criticize Cubs fans, WLB fans, Phillies fans, Red Sox fans, Yankees fans, Fish fans, Tampa fans. But I should probably be a little more careful when I ridicule DC fans.

What I meant to say was, DC is one of three cities that doesn’t deserve to have a major league baseball franchise.

The error is explainable.

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by johnu1 on Mar 16, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

the capital of the country doesn't deserve an mlb franchise?

muffins, i’ll go ahead and be offended for you since i can never seem to keep my mouth shut anyway.

it’s bad enough that DC doesn’t have congressional representation so that y’all’s voting patterns affect 600,000 people and they get no input, but geez, the DC metro area is one of the biggest in the country and there is no reason on earth to make any statement saying DC doesn’t deserve a baseball team.

by Daedalus on Mar 16, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

i voted in ohio

until suddenly i was purged from the rolls last year. geez, i wonder how that happened…

/boner’s district

by Daedalus on Mar 16, 2011 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

the declined my absentee vote too

they said my signature was invalid.

They really declined it because I voted for a few socialists.

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by justin007000 on Mar 16, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we were anyone else we would have invaded us in the name of democracy by now

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by jch24 on Mar 17, 2011 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

did you sign/spell your name correctly?

id say they’d have probably cause to decline the absentee ballet if your name was mis spelt.

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by obc2 on Mar 18, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

none of us are represented in Congress

only the top 2% are. Don’t pretend voting equals representation. It is the great myth to propagate the Wall Street of America.

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by justin007000 on Mar 16, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's get funky for a minute here

The great “metro” area that proponents discuss is largely in Virginia and Maryland and at last report BOTH OF THEM were represented in Congress.

The actual population of DC that isn’t represented in Congress is the number who live there, which generally is from somewhere else when Congress isn’t in session.

Yes, there are a few hundred thousand who live there all the time, but we aren’t talking about 5 million, are we? We may be talking about 240K or so and there is a number of them who come here from other countries and aren’t citizens.

So the ongoing ongoing about not being represented … what exactly are you not getting in DC that you need more control over? As I say, you have all the museums, a wonderful transit system, generally a well-run city … I guess you should have more control over life.

Just don’t give me that about how MANY in DC are being managed by the nation without giving you a voice. Most people who live off the DC trough have that sort of representation.

Defy me and prove otherwise.

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by johnu1 on Mar 17, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

DC's population is 600,000

but I’m guessing you don’t really care. As for your point about many of them being immigrants, that accounts for less than 100,000.

And there were 400,000 registered voters in DC as of 2008.

So, okay, it’s more than you thought. But why is that an argument anyway? Why should there be parts of the population that don’t get any representation in Congress?

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by Gray on Mar 17, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

For comparison

The entire state of Wyoming has 563,626 residents.

by Brendanukkah on Mar 17, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't argue that they should not get representation

I generally think they do, similarly to the representation I get from my congressman who brings back federal dollars that come from the general coffers. There’s that.

As for them not getting representation otherwise, the nature of the system as a representative (not democratic) government, most of the people who are affected by life in DC have lives elsewhere. A large number work for the gov’t. I can’t break that down but I suspect the census can if I were so inclined to look it up.

Then again, as they tell us here in Indiana, if you don’t like it, … move. The 64,000 lawyers in the DC Bar Association are apparently too inept to get representation for the city, which seems a bit bizarre.

But there is more representation for DC people than the general attitude suggests. Hell, my senator hasn’t asked for my opinion in several weeks.

This is actually an anecdotal discussion and is hardly connected to baseball.

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by johnu1 on Mar 17, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you're misled about the makeup of DC.

Most federal employees don’t actually live in the district, so that according to the Census only 16% of employed DC residents work for the government.

I think “if you don’t like it, move” applies to a lot of things, but there are some basic civic expectations. To some of us, Congressional representation is one of those.

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by Gray on Mar 17, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

The real issue is

DC doesn’t have voting representation due to archaic laws that should be reformed. When DC became our nations capital, it was a miserable swamp and the law makers didn’t even really want to be there. Part of the reason for it not having representation is they never thought it would be an issue because it was a miserable swamp and nobody would live there anyway.

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by justin007000 on Mar 17, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

And that has changed?

Geez, we gave women the vote, freed the slaves, let the Indians have their own team … if this is a big deal, let’s get on it. Apparently, the thinking is that it’s not badly broken enough to fix.

I can sort of see why they think that at the congressional level, so the issue of having to “move if they don’t like it” is about the only solution.

Easier said than done, since the ball team may be a contender next year and who’s willing to miss out on that?

But I do go on record if possible here in saying that I am not unsympathetic to the notion that DC residents should not be represented. I just think they sort of “are” in a more passive sort of way. That’s not exactly the same thing, I realize. I won’t argue that anybody here is wrong on this issue.

I am not passionate about the issue, I suppose, after all these years living in a “red” state with a “blue” attitude about most things political.

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by johnu1 on Mar 17, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Republicans don't want DC residents represented

it is a pretty liberal area (being a city and all), and in most years it would provide 2 Democratic Senators and 1 (or more depending on what happens) Democratic Congressman. It is isn’t in the Republican Party’s interest to allow it to gain state hood or be represented or whatever.

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by justin007000 on Mar 17, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

DC can't afford to support itself

Can you imagine Washington having to provide the upkeep on that monstrosity of a federal infrastructure?

When it comes to funding its own palaces, the government can’t afford to turn that city over to local management. That’s the biggest issue.

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by johnu1 on Mar 17, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

why can't the federal government maintain federal building?

I am pretty sure the state of Ohio maintains the State House, not Columbus.

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by justin007000 on Mar 17, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK, then make Franklin County a state

discuss an apple and an apple.

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by johnu1 on Mar 17, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don't get what you are saying?

i feel like what you are saying is you can’t make D.C. a state, because than it would have to maintain the public buildings such as the Capitol Building, Smithsonians, etc with a State budget, rather than the federal budget.

i am saying the Federal Government can still maintain those.

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by justin007000 on Mar 17, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Compare the behemoth size of the state of Ohio's gov't

to that of the federal.
If you want DC to be managed comparatively, then make it part of Virginia. The city of Washington can manage its city affairs, but have you any idea the size of the Pentagon, the two major airports, the Congress, the monster ass buildings at USDA, the Supreme Court, the endless memorials and museums.

How on EARTH could the city of Washington fairly tax its people to run that?

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by johnu1 on Mar 17, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

If the feds maintain it, then the feds should get voting value

which is what exists now. The government runs DC and the government votes on it.

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by johnu1 on Mar 17, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

But that's a different issue.

What people were saying before is that regardless of whether the feds run DC, DC residents should at least have some representation in the federal government.

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by Gray on Mar 17, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

all I am saying is ...

after more than 210 years, why didn’t this get fixed?

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by johnu1 on Mar 17, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, there weren't many residents until after the Civil War

and there weren’t tons of non-federal employees living there until the early 20th century.

It’s a political issue without a winning constituency, basically. As justin noted, Republicans don’t want a majority-black city to have representation, which makes things kind of difficult.

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by Gray on Mar 17, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, I agree it does seem to be somewhat ridiculous

that we can’t give voting rights to everyone or at least the semblance of a voice. I just think a lot of DC’s management precludes local participation. As a society, that probably works in a lot of odd ways. National capitals are probably the same all over the world. The public just gets to go there.

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by johnu1 on Mar 17, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think so

and again, it’s not about local participation in DC’s management, which is a completely separate issue.

I don’t know of any other country that fails to give legislative representation to residents of its capital city. Hell, they didn’t even get to vote for President until 1964.

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by Gray on Mar 17, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think a lot of countries don't let their citizens vote

… another separate issue.

But even if we go from 1965 forward, there has been plenty of time for the DC issue to have been resolved. Apparently the Congress is all right with what they have. It isn’t like DC is going to fund their election campaigns back in Peoria.

So the only people who profit from this are the political parties, and it’s 1 rep and 2 senators. Those would likely be Democrats.

But if it’s not about local participation in DC’s management, then what’s the point? Representation is just that, is it not? Otherwise, they have a City Council that gets it done for them.

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by johnu1 on Mar 17, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I feel like we're talking past each other.

US citizens from every are represented to some degree in the federal legislature, which passes bills that become policy throughout the country.

All of that is true for DC, except that they aren’t represented in that legislature. And yes, Congress doesn’t care, but of course everyone in Congress is a resident of a state, not DC.

DC is unique in that all of their local policies are controlled by that body in which they have no representation, but that’s a different issue.

Still not a candidate.

by Gray on Mar 17, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

We may be ...

On that account, I agree that everyone should get the same constitutional right in that respect. I just don’t see it as a nail-biter of an issue since we’ve had most of my lifetime to make it right. I can’t help but believe that with the activism that is America, that we haven’t fixed this problem.

It is a fixable problem.
I have nothing really more to add to this, so if we aren’t in agreement, well. … I guess we just aren’t. I doubt we are, however.

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by johnu1 on Mar 17, 2011 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

John

Attack the poster not the idea!

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by justin007000 on Mar 17, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

you are so right

these dismal yellow bellied slime sucking liberal dope-dealing retarded belch-breathed losers … I say we put them all on a boat and send them back to Europe where they came from. Fuckin’ foreigners. Next thing you know, they’ll want jobs and then they will marry up with our daughters.
I tell ya, scum, vermin, all of ’em.

America, love it or leave it.

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by johnu1 on Mar 17, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

foxnews'd

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by justin007000 on Mar 18, 2011 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

all decisions of the city council

have to be approved by congress. a congress in which the citizens of dc had no voice in choosing. there have been several instances where party politics have dictated the laws of dc against the wishes of its residents.

also, all judges in dc are presidential appointments instead of elected like they are in other places.

by Daedalus on Mar 18, 2011 7:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just curious

What was the sentiment of the residents of Washington proper when somebody suggested building a ballpark for the Nationals?

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by johnu1 on Mar 18, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

unhappy

three of the mayor’s supporters lost in their reelection bids for city council. something like 2/3 of the city were opposed to the original plan. but people were mostly pissed off because most of the fan base would come from virginia or maryland but wouldn’t have to foot the bill. the plan ended up being modified in some way and the anger subsided. (i won’t pretend to know the details of that.)

by Daedalus on Mar 18, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

So essentially Congress is responsible for baseball in DC

Had it been left up to the public, the team would not be in DC.

So dammit, the lack of a voice has given the city what you want them to have … big-league baseball.

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by johnu1 on Mar 18, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

anyone else hit z z z z z z z

on this topic?

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by obc2 on Mar 18, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

with record speed

my C key hates me with this thread

by Highlifeman21 on Mar 18, 2011 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

i am sparking the next great American revolution

One day my face will be on your rations card!

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by justin007000 on Mar 16, 2011 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was born about 25 years too late

I shoulda been late teens/early 20s during the sexual revolution. It would have been ON.

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by jch24 on Mar 17, 2011 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sweet Jesus. You mean there would have been MORE little jch's running around?

The horror.

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by Hawkeyegirl96 on Mar 17, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

No.....by now they would be big jch's and you would probably have one of their numbers in your cell phone

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by jch24 on Mar 17, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

And one of their kids in your belly

amiright?

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by nycredsfan on Mar 17, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wasn't gonna say it....

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by jch24 on Mar 17, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cannibalism is wrong.

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by crolfer on Mar 17, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

the sexual revolution was really overrated

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by johnu1 on Mar 17, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dayton Area Ohio Represenative Jeff Wagner agrees
I strongly believe that the sexual revolution that this country has undergone in the past 4 decades has had a huge negative impact on our society and a devastating impact on our families. What was anathema in the 1950s we now seem to readily accept. Living together before marriage, promiscuity, easy divorce, and the homosexual lifestyle are much more accepted today. What has all this acceptance and enlightenment gotten us? Children without loving homes, extra problems for our schools, a huge increase in sexually transmitted diseases and a lot of broken hearts are just a few of the consequences. God has given us the gift of human sexuality. He has also put boundaries around its use. As we cast off those boundaries people get hurt. As a former foster parent, I have cared for children who have been hurt because those boundaries have been cast off.

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by justin007000 on Mar 17, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's right, but fuck him anyway.

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by johnu1 on Mar 17, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I should add that the 1800s was vastly better

When 12-year-old girls were expected to be mothers, wives and by-gawd, know to be in their place. God-fearing little princesses with a devotion to duty. Let’s not forget that.

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by johnu1 on Mar 17, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I sent him an email asking him why he voted down allowing gays equal rights in the work place

this is part of his response.

The true gem of his email was.

I respect your right to disagree, but don’t forget tolerance is a 2 way street. The gay community wants people like me to be tolerant if they believe differently than I do. They need to practice what they preach and be tolerant of people that believe as I do.

So gay people should tolerant of his believe that there should not be gay people!

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by justin007000 on Mar 17, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Being gay is not a belief system

what a fuckin’ moran this guy is.
Maybe you should be more careful in advocating for DC representation. It could increase our odds of being stupid(er) than we are.

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by johnu1 on Mar 17, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

this guy was a state rep.

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by justin007000 on Mar 17, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

The party is national.

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by johnu1 on Mar 17, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was a great time fellows....

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by Madville on Mar 21, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, you lost me.

Care to explain?

Still not a candidate.

by Gray on Mar 16, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, I see.

I was reading about that team the other day. They . . . have a marching band?

Still not a candidate.

by Gray on Mar 16, 2011 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

They do

And a fanbase that thinks it’s worth a damn.

by Brendanukkah on Mar 16, 2011 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't tell you how thrilled I was to watch them lose the first game of the year

And to LA! That game was like rooting for the Yankees versus Duke.

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by BK on Mar 16, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Steelers/Ravens last year during the playoffs?

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by jch24 on Mar 17, 2011 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Since you're here

AT&T support for the iPad is a fucking painful experience. I blame you.

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by jch24 on Mar 17, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was in reference to their international data plan

So I can totally blame them.

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by jch24 on Mar 17, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

The AT&T support provided to me regarding my company's iPad and its corresponding international data plan was substandard

There, is that better? And before you try to absolve the iPad of any fault in the process let it be known that it had to be reset in order to reconnect to the network.

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by jch24 on Mar 17, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think he got it for free

It has wi-fi capability, but he was God-Knows-Where in the Czech Republic and the iPad thought it was still in Germany or some shit.

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by jch24 on Mar 17, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely

Speaking of which, I wonder how much of the money obc is blowing today and tomorrow that he saved by not going to Opening Day?

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by jch24 on Mar 17, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

i only spent $24, i think!

great value for 5 hours of basketball and drinking!

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by obc2 on Mar 18, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you're oversimplifying what she said.

In addition to being the nation’s capital, it’s a large metro area. The city itself has 600,000 residents and the metro area has a population over 5 million. It’s certainly not on the small end of markets that have MLB teams.

Still not a candidate.

by Gray on Mar 16, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

not to mention

the one game I went to there, people were CRAZY about the nationals. That team is obviously loved.

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by ZJiff30 on Mar 16, 2011 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

They've had some historically bad ownership

but it seems like the continued efforts come about because the team is actually desired.

Still not a candidate.

by Gray on Mar 16, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the first Senators could have stayed and thrived

but the lure of the Twin Cities was too great. If that were to have happened a few years later, I think the D.C. area would have replaced the ballpark.

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by johnu1 on Mar 16, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Minneapolis and Texas were viable markets ripe for a franchise

I think DC is a good market in its own right, but there are definitely no cities today that are obviously deserving of a franchise.

by ken on Mar 16, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only markets that I can think of

would be Portland and one of the cities in NC, but neither is more attractive than DC. Portland and Charlotte probably already have enough professional teams, and I don’t think the Triangle or Triad in NC could support a team.

And if I were to downsize a few teams, I definitely wouldn’t pick DC as a market to drop. I’d be thinking about the two Florida teams, Pittsburgh, and Kansas City.

Still not a candidate.

by Gray on Mar 16, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Charlotte could handle a team

If I remember correctly they are a top drawing minor league team, with no MLB team near it. It is also one of the largest markets not currently served by baseball. They should really move the Rays to Charlotte.

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by justin007000 on Mar 16, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

NC is awkward.

I don’t know if Charlotte could really handle another professional team, since they already have basketball and football. The Charlotte AAA team actually plays way the hell outside of the city, across the state line even. Attendance isn’t great, but it could probably be better if they moved it downtown.

In both the Triangle and the Triad, minor league baseball is quite popular, but getting rid of the Durham Bulls might be tough to do if they wanted to move a team to the Triangle. Greensboro was actually suggested in the last round of reorganization as a way to locate a team conveniently to both Charlotte and Raleigh/Durham (i.e., under 1.5 hours to either). But basically, none of the options is all that great.

Still not a candidate.

by Gray on Mar 16, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

i swore I heard that Charlotte had top minor league attendance

but i feel like i heard that years ago too.

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by justin007000 on Mar 16, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Charlotte could be marketed

What’s the line down there on anybody being willing to put up a ballpark?

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by johnu1 on Mar 16, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think they'd be able to get any local money

since the state is unlikely to pay and the city has already shelled out for two stadiums.

Still not a candidate.

by Gray on Mar 16, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

they shoulnd't get local money

at most they should get the land for free.

Fucking play pens for billionaires millionaires, on the backs of the working poor.

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by justin007000 on Mar 16, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

"on the backs of the working poor"

If they’re that poor then they’re not paying much in taxes. It’s more on the backs of the professional middle-class.

by ken on Mar 16, 2011 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then they will just have to without

damned uppity poor people. Next thing, they’ll want new shoes for their kids … fuckin’ lazy welfare rats.

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by johnu1 on Mar 16, 2011 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

as a result of the stadiums

Hamilton County is closing a number of free clinics. So in a way the stadium actually was built on the backs of the poor. They may not be paying the majority of the taxes on the stadiums but they are hurt by it.

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by justin007000 on Mar 16, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

If they're not paying the majority of the taxes then it wasn't built on their backs

If you want to put it that way it was built on all our backs.

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by jch24 on Mar 17, 2011 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

you are on the bad list for the revolution.

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by justin007000 on Mar 17, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think NYC should have a third team before DC

San Antonio could probably support a team also.

And ATL needs a team, too. PEACHES!

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by obc2 on Mar 18, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think the Durham Bulls

are consistently near the top of the IL in attendance, but apparently the Charlotte team has been at the bottom for several years. But it’s not really in Charlotte, so there’s that.

The Greensboro A team is, IIRC, behind only Dayton in attendance at that level. They built a great new stadium downtown a few years ago that’s been wildly successful.

Still not a candidate.

by Gray on Mar 16, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

How far is Zebulon from this mix?

I guess I could check a map but that doesn’t tell me about fan interest.

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by johnu1 on Mar 16, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Way the hell past Raleigh.

Something like half an hour from downtown Raleigh and just under an hour from downtown Durham.

Still not a candidate.

by Gray on Mar 16, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think what I see is ...

a big-league team in that footprint would have some serious impact on a lot of minor league franchises, almost all of which are affiliated.

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by johnu1 on Mar 16, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure, but that's true almost anywhere.

I think it’s pretty much the norm in the modern era for baseball to expand to cities that have minor league franchises.

Nobody would miss the Charlotte or Zebulon teams, and the Greensboro and Winston-Salem teams could probably survive even with a team in Charlotte or the Triangle. The only one that would be particularly hard to get rid of would be the Bulls, which is probably why a team would have to head to Charlotte.

Still not a candidate.

by Gray on Mar 16, 2011 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

They can survive, even thrive

There are 8 pro teams in the Chicago footprint and most of them are doing OK, not including two that are being run by Dewey Cheatham and Howe.

Of course, the chicken came first in Chicagoland. There, you are talking about an MLB team moving into turf that has been cultivated by a long history of minor league ball.

Academic chat, though, if they can’t find the 500 million they need for a stadium.

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by johnu1 on Mar 16, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

A little cumbersome reading but

Some minor league attendance data.

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by johnu1 on Mar 16, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I might agree that it's too costly

but the thinking generally is that these facilities are better owned by the public than in private hands.

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by johnu1 on Mar 16, 2011 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Charlotte won't have that basketball team much longer IMO

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by jch24 on Mar 17, 2011 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why not?

If they lose the team again, they’re approaching Senators territory.

Still not a candidate.

by Gray on Mar 17, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

i disagree with jch

there is nowhere to move that team to. the nba won’t contract it unless jordan starts having money issues.

by 'tHan on Mar 17, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

See below

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by jch24 on Mar 17, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just my opinion, honestly

I don’t see them keeping the Bobcats long term. Someone (Seattle?) will swipe them the first chance they get.

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by jch24 on Mar 17, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

They're pretty far

from the lowest attendance in the NBA. Is there something I’m missing that would make them more likely to leave?

Still not a candidate.

by Gray on Mar 17, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did they get a new arena?

Wasn’t aware. I stand by my statement though, I think Seattle will poach a team and it will either be the Grizzlies or the Bobcats. Maybe the Hornets?

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by jch24 on Mar 17, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Memphis has been more stagnant than anything

which was the case for NO, too, until Katrina.

I also just don’t get the impression that people in NO care that much about NBA basketball.

Still not a candidate.

by Gray on Mar 17, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

they lost the Jazz...

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by obc2 on Mar 18, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

the kings are relocating

the hornets are likely to get contracted, but either way they won’t be in new orleans for long.

the problem with seattle is they wouldn’t build a new arena for the sonics & there’s no support to build an arena for a new team

by 'tHan on Mar 17, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Kings just asked for the rights to the name "Los Angeles Royals" and "Anaheim Royal" so they won't conflict with the LA Kings

I think Seattle will get another team, they’ll build an arena. They’ll just make damned sure they get a decent lease this time, and not mess with a team whose owner is buddies with David Stern.

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by jch24 on Mar 17, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

if the owner isn't buddies with david stern

he won’t be an owner for long.

did you read adrian woj…’s last article? It was an eye opening hatchet job of stern.

by 'tHan on Mar 17, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have not

I’ll go find it now.

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by jch24 on Mar 18, 2011 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

David Stern is a dick, and Donald Sterling is the worst owner in professional sports (and it's not close)

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by jch24 on Mar 18, 2011 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I did hear that KC was courting the Hornets

Not really many more places left for teams. I could wildly guess that Vancouver could make another pitch for a team, if Seattle doesn’t.

Last I heard, Seattle wasn’t too excited about building an arena.

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by johnu1 on Mar 17, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hows 'bout Cincy for a basketball team?

The Blue Jackets here in Columbus are looking for someone to share Nationwide Arena.

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by Charlie Scrabbles on Mar 17, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would love an NBA team in Columbus

Much more so than an NHL team.

Hey, maybe we can get one of those professional soccer clubs!

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by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Mar 17, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah!

A real live soccer team! Could we call them the Columbus Foot Faeries, or what that be too redundant?

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by Charlie Scrabbles on Mar 17, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

more than stale beer?

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by justin007000 on Mar 17, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I vote for the Columbus Bunions

Or the Columbus Corns.
Maybe go with the statewide image … the Ohio Blisters.

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by johnu1 on Mar 17, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that's what I was thinking

but at the same time, it’s not like the teams have been so wildly successful that people think a baseball team there would be a great idea, too.

Still not a candidate.

by Gray on Mar 17, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bring the Royals back around

They had a boss-ass logo.

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by johnu1 on Mar 17, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

they have "basketball" and "football"

both teams are laughing stocks.

i think baseball should look at how other sports do in cities before considering a move there

by 'tHan on Mar 17, 2011 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought the football team, at least

was popular until recently, when it’s just been horrendously bad.

I don’t really keep up with the NBA at all.

Still not a candidate.

by Gray on Mar 17, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Panthers are BAD BAD BAD

I can’t wait for them to draft Luck #1.

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by jch24 on Mar 17, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I forgot he (stupidly) decided to stay in school

Carolina will still figure out a way to fuck up that pick.

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by jch24 on Mar 18, 2011 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

hey!

i tried to give you an out!

you didn’t have to admit you were wrong

by 'tHan on Mar 18, 2011 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Meh, we'll give him this one

I feel bad for beating his ass in YDKJ!

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by jch24 on Mar 18, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

me too!

/neverfinishedagamewithhim

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by ZJiff30 on Mar 18, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I get that impression.

But it seems like even still, the team has been quite popular. At least until the end of last season.

Still not a candidate.

by Gray on Mar 17, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not possible
even worse than mike brown.

No owner in NFL history is worse than Mike Brown.

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by btcoop71 on Mar 18, 2011 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

DC is one of the few towns that has an NFL, NBA, MLB, and NHL franchise

Not to mention MLS, WNBA, and some big name college basketball teams (Georgetown and Maryland). Plus competition in Baltimore, just 30 miles down the road. It supports all of these teams fairly successfully. It’s a good sports town, even though it hasn’t seen a winner in a long time (Vamos United!).

by Brendanukkah on Mar 16, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Having a MLS and a WNBA team makes a city decidedly minor league

but DC is easily the most walkable city. The Smithsonians are a national treasure.

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by obc2 on Mar 18, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

New York, LA and Chicago all have WNBA and MLS teams

San Antonio, your pick to host a MLB franchise, also has a WNBA team. Strange that a city that size only has one Big 4 franchise.

by Brendanukkah on Mar 18, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

and austin, which is an hour away, has nothing, either

that’s a pretty big metro area for having only 1 team. i guess, though, that’s because houston and dallas give texas their teams.

by Daedalus on Mar 18, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

dangit...foiled by reason

Chicago is my favorite city in the Continental 48. Pisswater. They need to dump the WNBA team, but Stern probably has a ban against such action.

one of the great mysteries is how LA does not have a football team.

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by obc2 on Mar 18, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not really a mystery

LA doesn’t deserve a team. The NFL gift wrapped them a franchise but they couldn’t form anything resembling a decent plan, so Houston (who really wanted football) got the franchise instead. It’s crazy that the #2 media market in the US doesn’t have a team but they have no one to blame but themselves.

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by jch24 on Mar 21, 2011 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

For not spending millions on a stadium?

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by justin007000 on Mar 21, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

x

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by jch24 on Mar 21, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

It isn't my fault you are completely wrong

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by justin007000 on Mar 21, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Solid argument

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by jch24 on Mar 21, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't mess wit my Beaves

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by johnu1 on Mar 16, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Almost as bad as "Busch"

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by johnu1 on Mar 17, 2011 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder about NC

You’d think it could handle a team, but has it ever been seriously considered? Would the Braves fanbase switch over? Looking at a map the only real spots I see are Portland, Las Vegas, NC, and maybe New Orleans.

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by jch24 on Mar 17, 2011 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Vegas is somewhat agressively pursuing a sports team

or three. recently this proposal came out looking to build a basketball football and baseball stadium all next to each other (the football stadium would be for UNLV/Bowl games). I’ve heard thoughts of bringing a hockey team to vegas also. The city wants a pro team, doesn’t seem like they care what sport.

by pack_fan on Mar 17, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Vegas gets the shaft IMO

No one seems to want a put a team there because of the gambling and night life. I can bet $10,000 on a cricket match from the comfort of my couch, and I would guess athletes are less prone to get in trouble when they go out in Vegas because they know that there are definitely cameras on them.

"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs

by jch24 on Mar 17, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fact is, the recession murdered LV

The foreclosure rate there is frightening and the unemployment is staggering in the years since casinos went to computer chip slot machines.

AS for the players gambling, it ain’t like they can’t call a bookie in Vegas if they want. There’s as much night life in Cincinnati as in Las Vegas (………………………)

"I tend to piss people off a great deal though." -- BTCoop71

by johnu1 on Mar 17, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I don't think LV is getting a team soon

and I suspect as well that pro sports might have trouble competing with everything else going on there. It’s uncharted territory, though.

Still not a candidate.

by Gray on Mar 17, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's a good point

It’s a lot like LA or Miami, there’s a lot more interesting shit to do for three hours than watch a baseball game.

"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs

by jch24 on Mar 17, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I found out yesterday

that at least according to wikipedia, the Marlins agreed to change their name to the Miami Marlins in exchange for a new stadium.

Yeah, that’ll help.

Still not a candidate.

by Gray on Mar 17, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

rec'd

Anything from Back to the Future is a winner in my book..

#yourmom

by Corky's Stache on Mar 17, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

other issue is tourism plummetted when the recession happened too

and the whole state depends on that one economy basically, people coming to the casinos/night life of Vegas. The states been looking at ways to diversify the economy, and this was one idea (debatable if thats much of a solution). Might give fans another reason to travel to LV, catch a game, hit the strip afterwards.

Vegas does get the shaft though, everyone thinks the gambling aspect would be bad for a sports team in the city, but I’m not sure why it would be any more likely than any current team putting in a fix.its not like that isn’t doable anywhere in the country.

by pack_fan on Mar 17, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Considering Nevada without Las Vegas and Reno

just … as a place, aside from Duckwater, finding any way of diversifying is pretty absurd.

There’s gambling here and there all over America now. I can go 30 minutes to Michigan City and lose all the money I want. No dancing girls or night life. No baseball in MC either.

But it’s 30 minutes from my house.

"I tend to piss people off a great deal though." -- BTCoop71

by johnu1 on Mar 17, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

and minus Vegas and Reno you have a bunch of dirt and sagebrush, some old mining towns, and some whore houses. but yeah, now that gambling is everywhere its hurting the states economy. Luckily gambling is not the only reason to go to Vegas, the restaurants, the shows, the shopping, and the nightlife are much better things to blow your money on.

by pack_fan on Mar 17, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

part of the problem, however,

is our aging population is being drawn to Vegas by promotional efforts. Those people, retirees who don’t see a way of taking it with them, are going there to play penny slots and relax. They might like to see a Wayne Newton show, but largely aren’t much into party and nightlife.

How I know this – I see the tour buses pull up outside the Blue Chip and unload 50 or so antiques like myself, some in walkers … all armed and primed to take on the nickel slots for a full hour of unbridled adventure.

"I tend to piss people off a great deal though." -- BTCoop71

by johnu1 on Mar 17, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nevada's other economy is storing nuclear waste.

"I tend to piss people off a great deal though." -- BTCoop71

by johnu1 on Mar 17, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

lot of people in the state are not a fan of yucca mtn, I am one of the supporters though. part of that is because I also support nuclear energy as a way to reduce our dependence on fossil fuels. That opinion, of course, is going to come under some heavy fire now due to certain terrible and unfortunate happenings in the world.

by pack_fan on Mar 17, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

For what it's worth, you do see a lot of Nats hats and such around town

They’re not as ingrained as the Redskins, and not as hot-team-of-the-moment-that-everyone-loves-now as the Capitals, but they are building up their fanbase. In a town as transient as DC (and as close to Philadelphia and susceptible to Phillies takeovers), it’s not an easy task, particularly when most people here grew up rooting for the Orioles. But they’re doing an admirable job. Zimmerman is a great piece to build around, and hopefully Strasburg will be too.

And to Nats fans’ credit, they liked Adam Dunn.

by Brendanukkah on Mar 16, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I first moved to DC at the tail end of their first season here.

Back then, I hardly ever saw Nationals gear around town, or even really much at games. By the time I moved back last year, that had changed dramatically.

by the finest muffins on Mar 16, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

the city has changed

the suburbs are huge, which is a big fan base for baseball. and dc itself has been cleaned up. in the seventies (and eighties and most of the nineties), you didn’t walk outside after dark.

by Daedalus on Mar 18, 2011 7:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess some people resent that BosWash has so many teams

but the Nationals, Phillies, Yankees, Mets, and Red Sox are all in great locations for baseball teams. Even the Orioles are fine, impossible division and all.

Still not a candidate.

by Gray on Mar 16, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

just sounds like entitlement to me, in all honesty, regardless of who makes the argument

Nation’s Capital
Large Metro Area
No historical tie to team
Has failed multiple times in the past

Square peg, meet round hole

by Highlifeman21 on Mar 17, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Baseball was failing in Montreal

Washington was the biggest market without a team, and the District agreed to build a stadium. The hole is big enough to accomodate the peg, even if the fit ain’t perfect. And believe me, the fanbase is growing.

by Brendanukkah on Mar 17, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

and I want to root for the Nats to succed in DC

having been to their new park

however, it’s in a turrible neighborhood, and they aren’t a very good team overall, and Strasburg and Harper, plus that stud @ 3B aren’t enough to save them in general

I feel like the DC franchise is a big ’ol MLB collusion

by Highlifeman21 on Mar 17, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

cue Alter Bridge entrance song

Buy RED: My Uncensored Life in Rock by Sammy Hagar, today

by obc2 on Mar 18, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

dude

don’t knock Alter Bridge

we might be in a fight

by Highlifeman21 on Mar 18, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

looking back I clearly see

what it is that’s killing me
Through the eyes of one I know
I see a vision once let go
I had it all

by Highlifeman21 on Mar 18, 2011 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've heard much worse.

They have that Hinder/Nickelback thing going on except they don’t suck.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Mar 18, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alter Bridge = Creed Lite

It’s Creed without the midget lead singer, right?

"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs

by jch24 on Mar 21, 2011 7:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Creed's drummer is as good as Creed is bad.

He’s really impressive.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Mar 21, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I see

I realized that I don’t hate Creed as much as I hate the lead singer.

"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs

by jch24 on Mar 21, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he's pretty terrible.

Have you ever seen the literal music video for Arms Wide Open? It’s awesome.
Here’s a link. Or just search on youtube or something.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Mar 21, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Does he have his arms wide open in it?

Crazy!

"there no countrey called west xylophone" Youtube

by andromache on Mar 21, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

He has a magic band though.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Mar 21, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

WWE is in Hartford tonight

I almost went b/c The Rock was in town

but I chose to drink from 12 to 8 today

by Highlifeman21 on Mar 18, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

that would make the wwe much better!

i wish i wasn’t out of sapphire or i’d be drinking it tonight!

by 'tHan on Mar 18, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

crap, they have all the great museums

what else do they want?

"I tend to piss people off a great deal though." -- BTCoop71

by johnu1 on Mar 16, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

i hear it is really shitty.

Red Reporter: Driving that train high on cocaine.

by justin007000 on Mar 16, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I am still hick enough to think that the natural rock formations

make that damned Hope diamond look pretty puny.

"I tend to piss people off a great deal though." -- BTCoop71

by johnu1 on Mar 16, 2011 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know where it is. I have seen it twice.

It’s next to the other old rocks and bones.

"I tend to piss people off a great deal though." -- BTCoop71

by johnu1 on Mar 17, 2011 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I do need to add that I saw some mind-blowing stuff

at some museums in the Moscow Kremlin.
Including 10 percent of all the platinum that exists.

A pink sapphire as big as a tennis ball.
Some other old trinkets made by some french Fucker Farve Febreze, Fabray … worked for the tzar.

Anyway, go there if you can.

"I tend to piss people off a great deal though." -- BTCoop71

by johnu1 on Mar 17, 2011 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dear johnu1,

I’m not really offended.

All the best,
the finest muffins

by the finest muffins on Mar 16, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

No sweat, just trying to get some jibberish going about the Nats

IF they had stayed in Montreal, they probably would have imploded.
Exploded.
Deflated.

So I guess we are lucky.
Anyway, I still don’t care about them.

I (heart) my Redlegs.

"I tend to piss people off a great deal though." -- BTCoop71

by johnu1 on Mar 16, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

but before I go,

This was quite informative as all the reports so far have been.
And I will forever thank the Nationatorials for having beaten the WLBs in a key series last year.

So there.

Vote on that one.

"I tend to piss people off a great deal though." -- BTCoop71

by johnu1 on Mar 16, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

They could have done well in Montreal

if that asshole Loria (among others) hadn’t sunk the franchise.

Still not a candidate.

by Gray on Mar 16, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup

Although apparently my new place is going to be just down the street from Jesse Jackson’s house.

by Brendanukkah on Mar 16, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup

Ledroit Park, just off of U St., and by Howard University.

by Brendanukkah on Mar 16, 2011 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

And isn't 9:30 right around there?

I haven’t been there in years, but was looking at somebody who’s playing there soon the other day.

Still not a candidate.

by Gray on Mar 16, 2011 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

and Coppi's Organic!

one of the best pizzas I’ve ever had.

"College actually kind of beat that out of me, making me more, well, of an asshole."

by Cy Schourek on Mar 18, 2011 5:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also, Harsh Times?

Dude, any DCer worth his/her salt knows the only place to get Cincinnati-style chili in the DC area is at Hard Times.

by Brendanukkah on Mar 16, 2011 8:51 PM EDT reply actions  

I was trying to keep the CB link

but definitely love the Hard Times as well.

"Red Reporter - An elitist clique full of like-minded douchebags." - BK

by ZJiff30 on Mar 16, 2011 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

I’ll have to check that out. I was interning at the Meridian International Center when they were building that Harris Teeter.

Also, The Bottom Line serves Skyline on Bengals gamedays.

by Brendanukkah on Mar 16, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have no idea.

They don’t sell it in cans, but they have the frozen stuff.

by the finest muffins on Mar 16, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope.

I think vegetarian Cincy chili is just a homemade concoction.

by the finest muffins on Mar 16, 2011 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

If it had been me

I would have added a green domino mask and added the caption, “Riggle me this, Caped Crusader!”

by Brendanukkah on Mar 17, 2011 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

how the F can you get a .21 BAC reduced to reckless driving?

Holy hell I need a better lawyer.

Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Mar 21, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tiger Woods is a loser.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Mar 22, 2011 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Because he's dating the daughter of a former Cardinal.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Mar 23, 2011 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

BFD

and no, that does not stand for Batavia Fire Department

by Highlifeman21 on Mar 23, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

if it's a girl, I would do her the favor before Arroyo could have his way with her down the road

if it was a boy, well….

As long as he liked Adam Dunn and a couple other players, I might be willing to admit he gets his inferior intelligence from his mother.

by Highlifeman21 on Mar 24, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well done, sir.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Mar 25, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

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