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Scouting Reds Pitchers: Bronson Arroyo

With some trepidation, today we'll look at Bronson Arroyo. I'm scared, because Bronson's far less traditional than other pitchers. He throws a ton of pitches, varies his arm angle, pitches backwards, etc. I don't know if I'm up to the task of "scouting" him. But I'll try!

Pitches

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Arroyo throws everything except the kitchen sink. He's definitely the kind of pitcher who will push MLB advanced media's pitch ID algorithms to their limits. But let's walk through this.

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On the left (negative horizontal movement, in toward right-handers), you have four pitches. Near the bottom of the cloud you have Bronson's change-up (purple), and as you move clockwise you see his sinker (pink), and his four-seam fastball (red).

If you squint, amongst the four-seamers you should also see some pitches marked "FS" shown with dark-red (maroon?) triangles. That is Arroyo's split finger. It doesn't look distinct in this plot, but in the velocity plot below you can see that it is clearly well below the speed of his fastballs. This was the first I'd hear of him throwing that pitch, but Mike Fast (who remains my life-line when I'm doing this stuff) found a picture of him throwing it. So it's true, he has one. Mike also thinks that a good number of his splitters are misclassified as change-ups, so in all the pitch frequency/outcome stuff below please keep in mind that he may throw far more splitters than mlb gameday thinks.

Near the middle, you see his cut fastball (which doesn't break toward a RHB as much as other fastballs) as well as his slider. The slider may well be a variant on his curveball, or may be a completely separate pitch. Reports from Arroyo himself vary. It looks like a normal slider via pitchf/x, though, so I'll treat it as such (though I do think some cutters may be misclassified as sliders, or vice versa--whatever!).

Finally, there are the curveballs (including one curve ball obviously misclassified as a change-up). Arroyo throws these from his normal arm angle, and will also drop down and sweep them across the plate. He also seems to drop down occasionally when throwing his sinker, slider, and fastball:

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(the lower cloud shows those times when he drops down).

Velocity

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Arroyo is not a hard thrower, only occasionally topping 90 mph. His fastballs all seem to be thrown in the upper-80's, while you can see that his change-ups and split fingers (and sliders) seem to all come in at around 80 mph (note also how distinct the spitters are in this plot compared to the fastballs). His curve ball is slow and loopy, sometimes leaving his hand in the upper 60's, but averaging in the low 70's.

Outcomes

Pitch Use% Strike% GB% Whiff% LgWhiff%
Four Seamer 18% 63% 30% 6% 6%
Two Seamer 23% 63% 57% 5% 5%
Cutter 4% 60% 58% 9% 8%
Slider 3% 71% 36% 8% 14%
Change-Up 25% 69% 49% 7% 13%
Splitter 3% 68% 9% 3% 16%
Curve 25% 68% 28% 10% 12%

Overall, we see Arroyo throwing about a quarter each of four & two seam fastballs, change-ups, and curves. Many of the change-ups may be splitters, but they are pretty similar in function. He throws his offspeed stuff for strikes more often than his fastballs--I'd guess that the reason is that he intentionally throws his fastballs out of the zone at times, rather than him just having superior control over the junk.

In terms of effectiveness, his two-seamer seems surprisingly effective at inducing ground balls. I didn't expect much as I think of him as a fly ball pitcher, but he's had his GB% in the 43-45% range the last two years. He also gets a decent rate of grounders from his cutter and change-up. But his four-seamer and curve are fly ball city. It'd be interesting to see if he favors them less when pitching at GABP than elsewhere.

While Bronson can get the ball over the plate, and has some tools to keep the ball on the ground, he does not have a lot of strikeout pitches. His cutter seems a bit above average (in small sample size), but all other pitches get whiff rates that are below league average. The curve, in particular, surprised me, as that's the pitch I think of as being his out pitch. Then again, his strikeout rate has been in the 5 k/9 range over the last two years, so...

Approach

vs. RHB Opening Pitch Two Strikes Full Count Behind
Four Seamer 23% 22% 19% 13%
Two Seamer 21% 20% 11%
Cutter 1% 4%
Slider 6% 4% 1%
Change-Up 18% 7% 34% 6%
Splitter 5% 1% 1% 25%
Curve 24% 43% 33% 31%

Against righties, Arroyo seems to debut with pitch selections that seem pretty similar to his overall choices. There is a big change when he's ahead and has two strikes on a batter though: he starts throwing his curve ball almost twice as often. As noted above, that is his out pitch, even if it does not have an above-average swing-and-miss rate.

With a full count, Arroyo starts throwing lots of change-ups, in addition to continued heavy use of his curve. Some of his other pitches that may be more "show" pitches, like the cutter and slider, seem to be put aside. I love the last column, however: with a 3-0 count, most pitchers throw almost exclusively fastballs. That's what we saw from Volquez and Cueto last year. But Arroyo isn't like that. Instead, he throws almost entirely curve balls and splitters. But he can get them all over the plate...so why not?

vs. LHB Opening Pitch Two Strikes Full Count Behind
Four Seamer 20% 38% 10% 19%
Two Seamer 29% 34% 25% 5%
Cutter 3% 6%
Slider 0% 2% 1% 5%
Change-Up 17% 15% 40% 62%
Splitter 3% 1% 1% 5%
Curve 27% 6% 23% 5%

Against lefties, the main difference is that with two strikes, Arroyo largely abandons the curve ball and focuses instead on fallballs and, to some degree, his change-up. Arroyo will still use his curve against lefties--just not when he's trying to strike them out. Once again, the Behind column is fascinating: Arroyo throws his change-up 62% of the time in 3-0 counts against left-handers! That's awesome.

Conclusion

If there's ever been a crafty righty, it's Arroyo. He is a prototype of someone who pitches backwards, throwing breaking balls when behind and fastballs when ahead. And perhaps this is the reason that he's been able to beat his peripherals by roughly a half-run per inning over his career with the Reds. Whether he'll be able to carry it forward this year...who knows? He's a pretty unique pitcher. I don't see any reason why he can't continue to have success.

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TAKE THIS DOWN!!!! THEY’RE GOING TO FIGURE HIM OUT!!

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by UncleWeez on Mar 1, 2011 9:56 AM EST reply actions  

Does this only account for September?

On the charts its from 9-1-10 through 9-31-10. Is the pitch usage breakdown only for that time period or are the charts only for that time period to show what he is throwing?

by dougdirt on Mar 1, 2011 10:07 AM EST reply actions  

I do pitch usage/outcome over all of 2010

Charts are just September to make it clearer visually.

I said this in the debut Volquez piece, but probably should reiterate in future ones.
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by JinAZ on Mar 1, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

That splitter.

Any chance it’s one of those split-changes? Probably not, I know, but how do those look compared to a splitter on F/X?

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by crolfer on Mar 1, 2011 10:09 AM EST reply actions  

A split-finger "fastball"

is really somewhat of a misnomer. All split-finger fastballs are really a type of changeup. The difference between a split-finger fastball and a changeup is based upon the grip, which has some subtle effects on how the ball moves, but at a high level, splitters and changeups are very similar.

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by Mike Fast on Mar 1, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks Mike!

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by crolfer on Mar 1, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

This was really cool.

Definitely heightened my appreciation for Prophylacticum bracchium.

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by andromache on Mar 1, 2011 10:15 AM EST reply actions  

It's the scientific name for Condom Arm Syndrome.

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by andromache on Mar 2, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Is this nickname really sticking?

Because it may be one of the single dumbest nicknames in the history of RR.

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by BK on Mar 2, 2011 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I like it!

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by Farneyismycopilot on Mar 2, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

This one's pretty real.

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by Farneyismycopilot on Mar 2, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

What about CAS for short?

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by Farneyismycopilot on Mar 2, 2011 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Bronson Arroyo is why I started paying attention to the Reds when I first moved here.

And it’s not just because I’m a girl and he’s hot. Really.

I love these spray patterns on these charts. I’m an exercise junkie and I love kinesiology, and when I work out I’m constantly altering my form and breathing to try and get my highest performance. (Yes, I’m a nerd about the gym. Shut up). I remember going down to a game at GABP and doing a double take at the straight leg kick thing. I just couldn’t wrap my head around how that movement could possibly assist with velocity or ball movement. I kept watching, and kept getting more and more befuddled at the arm angles, release points and leg/hip positions because they completely defy logic on what a “proper” stance should be to produce the best throw. He’s become my favorite pitcher to watch just because I can’t figure out how the hell he does what he does.

I know he makes a lot of people around here nervous because he can be inconsistent, but I’ll take an experienced, wily pitcher who pulls wins out of thin air over a mechanically deficient failure (cough:: Homer Bailey ::cough) any day.

Finally, if you will permit me, I'd like to make a comment which in my mind, is indicative, perhaps, of the greater significance of football and sports emphasis in general in this country, and that is, I thank God I was warring on the gridirons of the Midwest and not on the battlefields of Europe. Nile Kinnick, 1939

by Hawkeyegirl96 on Mar 1, 2011 10:28 AM EST reply actions  

When Bronson is pitching to the best of his ability

there is not a more fun person to watch in all of baseball.

in fact, when he has that ridiculous curve going, he may be the most fun athlete to watch in all of sports.

by 'tHan on Mar 1, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Blake Griffin and Alexander Ovechkin nod in approval.

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by Farneyismycopilot on Mar 1, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I never thought I'd need to say this to you, but you need to watch more sports

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by BK on Mar 1, 2011 7:47 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

the stat guys are anti-win

and the others hate bronson when they should hate the game, not the playa.

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by obc2 on Mar 1, 2011 9:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't even know you anymore

we might wanna take some time off from each other after this post….

by Highlifeman21 on Mar 2, 2011 12:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Any of Homer's mechanical deficiencies are down to the org. tinkering with them

He’s got really solid natural mechanics, and you’re going to see a breakout year from him!

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by nycredsfan on Mar 1, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

If you say so. As a human being, Homer Bailey is a towering pile of shit.

Personally, I’d like to set his pace to grueling, his rations to meager, and make sure he gets a snakebite and dysentery on the way to Wilmette Valley.

Finally, if you will permit me, I'd like to make a comment which in my mind, is indicative, perhaps, of the greater significance of football and sports emphasis in general in this country, and that is, I thank God I was warring on the gridirons of the Midwest and not on the battlefields of Europe. Nile Kinnick, 1939

by Hawkeyegirl96 on Mar 1, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Wait, so you love Bronson but hate Homer?

Explain.

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by nycredsfan on Mar 1, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I have no respect for any athlete who refuses to better him/herself

I run and lift, and I’m always looking for advice/tips to make myself better. Heck, even at work I’ll always listen to constructive criticism or new information on how to better handle environmental litigation.

Homer Bailey refuses to do so. He shakes off the catchers, blatantly ignores the pitching coach, and refuses offers of help from the veterans. The few times he has a halfway decent outing, he uses that as a justification that his technique is perfect and needs no improvement. Hence, he has not progressed in his time in the majors.

Bronson knows exactly who he is and what he can and can’t do, and works with what he has. When he’s in a slump, he’s open to suggestions from the staff and vets to shake himself out of it-he credits Dick Pole with his slider becoming so effective the last few years.

That’s the difference between Arroyo and Bailey.

Finally, if you will permit me, I'd like to make a comment which in my mind, is indicative, perhaps, of the greater significance of football and sports emphasis in general in this country, and that is, I thank God I was warring on the gridirons of the Midwest and not on the battlefields of Europe. Nile Kinnick, 1939

by Hawkeyegirl96 on Mar 1, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Bailey picked up a splitter from Justin Lehr

he has altered his mechanics with the organizations guidance. Watch his 2007 debut and a game from last year, he doesn’t take his hands as high in the wind up.

As I’ve said the other difference is Bailey is one of the most gifted pitchers in baseball, Arroyo has fought for everything he has. Bailey was a cocky kid who dominated the state of Texas.

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by justin007000 on Mar 1, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I think this is a wildly unfair assessment.

Yes, he has shaken off the catcher a few times, but what young pitcher (or any pitcher, for that matter) hasn’t?

I’m not sure when he has “blatantly ignored the pitching coach” or “refuses offers of help from the veterans”. Like justin said, he learned a splitter from Lehr. Part of the reason he hasn’t progressed much is that the organization rushed him and then spent two years dicking around with his mechanics and repertoire. Now that they’ve mostly left him alone he’s back to being a solid pitcher.

Sure, he’s a bit arrogant, but I think you’d find that most former #1 picks are that way. Bronson is an affable guy, but don’t think for one second that he’s not arrogant either.

I just don’t see how you can say that he “refuses to better himself”. There doesn’t seem to be strong evidence of that.

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by nycredsfan on Mar 1, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

agree

Homer was kind of a dick in his younger days, but everyone says his attitude has improved, and from what I’ve seen, it has.

I think it’s pretty difficult…maybe even impossible…to reach the big leagues if you “refuse to better yourself.”

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by BubbaFan on Mar 1, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll admit that he improved slightly over last season

And if he continues to improve this season, perhaps I’ll change my opinion. Still, it was just last season where he granted an interview to Hal McCoy in which he stated that he really didn’t think he had any areas to improve upon. I’m not convinced he’ll ever turn into the pitcher people thought he would be.

On a personal level, he’s also still a douchebag. That political rant he went off on last year was just mean-spirited and ignorant.

Finally, if you will permit me, I'd like to make a comment which in my mind, is indicative, perhaps, of the greater significance of football and sports emphasis in general in this country, and that is, I thank God I was warring on the gridirons of the Midwest and not on the battlefields of Europe. Nile Kinnick, 1939

by Hawkeyegirl96 on Mar 1, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

i have no memory of the political rant or the McCoy interview.

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by justin007000 on Mar 1, 2011 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't actually take credit for the Oregon Trail reference.

I stole it from Ash’s tweet about me Friday night when I went on Bailey rampage.

Finally, if you will permit me, I'd like to make a comment which in my mind, is indicative, perhaps, of the greater significance of football and sports emphasis in general in this country, and that is, I thank God I was warring on the gridirons of the Midwest and not on the battlefields of Europe. Nile Kinnick, 1939

by Hawkeyegirl96 on Mar 1, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't wish dysentery on him

But I more or less share your sentiment. I don’t think he’s ever gonna be the guy we want him to be.

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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Mar 1, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I think he can

he is pretty young, he has been around for ever but he was rushed to the big leagues.

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by justin007000 on Mar 1, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.

by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Mar 1, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I know, the wanna-be rockstar look is not everyone's cup of tea.

But if he had a nice scrubbing with a wire brush in bleach water and took a couple of courses of antibiotics, I’d do him. ;-)

Finally, if you will permit me, I'd like to make a comment which in my mind, is indicative, perhaps, of the greater significance of football and sports emphasis in general in this country, and that is, I thank God I was warring on the gridirons of the Midwest and not on the battlefields of Europe. Nile Kinnick, 1939

by Hawkeyegirl96 on Mar 1, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Just make sure he wraps it up!

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by Farneyismycopilot on Mar 1, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

that is what the antibiotics are for!

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by justin007000 on Mar 1, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Justin, do we need to go over where babies come from?

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by Farneyismycopilot on Mar 1, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

you know, modern women sometimes take this thing orally that prevents babies

so they can fornicate all over the place.

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by justin007000 on Mar 1, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you talking about BJs?

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by Farneyismycopilot on Mar 1, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Oral sex isn't sex!

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by justin007000 on Mar 1, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

antibiotics

don’t cure AIDS or herpes.

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by BubbaFan on Mar 1, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

hah

Definitely double condoms if you’re gonna boink Arroyo.

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by BubbaFan on Mar 1, 2011 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

so the friction will cause them to break?

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by justin007000 on Mar 1, 2011 9:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Homemade condoms are more cost efficient.

The rubber bands and plastic wrap cost, like, a dollar total.

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by sexsalad on Mar 1, 2011 10:53 PM EST up reply actions  

you would learn that in American high school sex ed.

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by justin007000 on Mar 1, 2011 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

More like economics.

You save some cash on the condoms and you also don’t have a kid to take care of . Win-win.

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by sexsalad on Mar 1, 2011 11:15 PM EST up reply actions  

yum, nothing like a guy who needs a bath and to take care of STD's!

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by justin007000 on Mar 1, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

spray pattern is what I took from your post

seems pretty apropos, no?

I mean we’re talking about Condom Arm, right?

by Highlifeman21 on Mar 2, 2011 12:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Well Done.

I find these write-ups quite enjoyable. Keep up the good work.

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by Corky's Stache on Mar 1, 2011 10:49 AM EST reply actions  

You say "I'd guess that the reason is that he intentionally throws his fastballs out of the zone at times, rather than him just having superior control over the junk."

Doesn’t this analysis suggest otherwise? He throws junk when behind in the count. That suggests to me that he has more confidence that he can throw the junk for strikes than he does that he can throw the fastball for a strike. I guess you could make a case that he throws the fastball when ahead in the count, potentially throwing them out of the zone to get batters to chase. Still though, it isn’t a high-whiff pitch, so most likely guys don’t chase it. I’d guess that he just tries to sneak the fastball by guys when they are expecting off-speed stuff. To do that, he’d have to be trying to throw it for strikes.

MLB teams have to know this stuff about him, right? Are hitters just not able to internalize the difference between him and other pitchers in order to make use of it? I mean, if you’re a righty and you come up with a two strike count, how can you not be sitting on a fastball? And if a major leaguer is sitting on a fastball and gets a fastball, aren’t the odds of that being hit out of the park quite good? It’s amazing that he can get away with this.

by badenjr on Mar 1, 2011 10:52 AM EST reply actions  

Another though along those lines...

Does his pitch selection look different on his good days vs. his bad days? It seems to me that some guys just “don’t have their stuff” on some days. Arroyo’s “stuff” seems to me to have little to do with the quality of the pitches, but instead is more about his ability to make his pitch selection unpredictable. I imagine pitchers have good and bad days in that regard as well. Has anyone looked into that?

by badenjr on Mar 1, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Antecdotally

It does seem like his curve and changeup don’t move as much some days. It seems like, as ‘tHan said, the days when those pitches are moving all over the place are the days he’s most effective.

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by nycredsfan on Mar 1, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Hmmm...

So maybe I’m wrong. Are “thinking” pitchers more or less consistent than pitchers who rely on their stuff?

by badenjr on Mar 1, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

That's probably testable too

The problem is that you can get into big trouble with confirmation bias.

What you’d need to do is first focus on a pitch and try to identify when it is working and when it is not (look at how much break there is in the curveball, for example? Or location?). And then compare that to performance.

If you start with the performance, you’ll end up honing in on anything that is different in the two samples, which very well could be unrelated to the actual results.
-j

by JinAZ on Mar 1, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think he has more command or control over the junk.

He throws the FB for strikes a lot, it’s just that his FB is extremely hittable, so when he and the batter both know he needs to throw a strike, he goes with the pitches that he doesn’t think will get deposited into the seats.

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by nycredsfan on Mar 1, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I can buy that he throws the off-speed stuff to limit the damage...

But it still doesn’t suggest that he’d intentionally be throwing fastballs out of the zone, which was my point.

I guess he could feel a need to pitch to the corners with a below-average fastball in order to avoid getting it hammered, where he can pitch more to the middle of the plate with off-speed stuff. Still, that’s not “intentionally” throwing fastballs out of the zone.

by badenjr on Mar 1, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

I remember an interview he gave once

where he basically admitted to throwing pitches (not necessarily the FB) out of the zone early on to hitters. He basically said if they chase it, great. If not, it’s still setting them up for later in the AB and even for later ABs in the game.

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by nycredsfan on Mar 1, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

bronson is the best interview on the reds

he’s very engaging. he’s definitely a thinking man’s pitcher, not a thrower.

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by obc2 on Mar 1, 2011 9:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Bronson knows exactly where his fastball is going

Fastballs seem to be far easier to control than curveballs or change-ups. That’s why most pitchers throw them when they need a strike. I’m pretty skeptical of the idea that somehow Bronson can’t control his 87 mph fastballs seems.

As nyc said, he also knows it’s not a very good fastball. I think he uses it to set up his other pitches, so that hitters can’t just sit on the slow ones and need to be able to react to fastballs. But he does so by nibbling to an extreme with the fastball—and if he’s going to miss, he’ll outside of the zone and not in the middle of the zone. Tom Glavine made his living by doing this too, right?

That’s my take on it. It’s probably testable, at least on some level. You could look at how varied Bronson’s fastball location is—the prediction is that even if it is thrown outside more often, the variation in location should not be any worse than average compared to other pitchers who throw it in the zone more often. But I’m not up to doing that right now.
-j

by JinAZ on Mar 1, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

The trick

Is to make all your strike pitches look alike. If you’re going outside the zone on purpose, the hitter probably knows it. It’s either 0-2 or a pitchout.

The guy who always amazed me was Rick Reuschel, who never beat anybody on a 3-2 count. So he didn’t go 3-2. He was always 1-2 in the count. Arroyo will be effective if all his strike pitches look like sliders. Every so often, the hitter gets it right.

Gotta play defense.

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by johnu1 on Mar 1, 2011 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

alot of pitchers intentionally throw balls

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by justin007000 on Mar 1, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

teh Fay

has the lineups:

The lineups for today’s split-squad, road doubleheader:

vs. Anaheim

Dave Sappelt 8
Brandon Phillips 4
Joey Votto 3
Jeremy Hermida 9
Fred Lewis 7
Juan Francisco 5
Chris Heisey DH
Ryan Hanigan 2
Paul Janish 6
Johnny Cueto p

vs. Oakland

Drew Stubbs 8
Edgar Renteria 6
Jonny Gomes 7
Scott Rolen 5
Jay Bruce 9
Yonder Alonso 3
Miguel Cairo DH
Chris Valaika 4
Corky Miller 2
Mike Leake p

The Anaheim game is the one that will be on the MLB Network.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Mar 1, 2011 12:38 PM EST reply actions  

Is either one on radio?

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Mar 1, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

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