Steve Sommer talks about the Cardinals
Steve Sommer is one of the more interesting sabermetrically-minded Cardinals fans around, and a co-author the excellent Cardinals blog, Gas House Graphs. He and I did a Q&A exchange about the Reds and Cardinals over the past week, and here are his answers to my questions about the Cardinals. You can find my answers to his questions about the Reds at their blog!
RR: The Cardinals and Reds were neck and neck last season until they swept the Reds in that dramatic series last August. And then the Cardinals seemed to just fall apart. What happened? Was it just bad luck/underachievement, or were there real problems with that team that were ultimately exposed?
GHG: As it is with most teams that don’t reach their ultimate goal I think the answer is likely a little bit of all of the above. The middle infielders (Schumaker and Ryan), while not great players, likely were a little bit unlucky at the plate. They both had BABIPs well below their career numbers, and while some of that was just bad hitting, I doubt it all was. Ironically, I might also start a list of underachievers with those two as well. Both were expected to hit better than they did and as already mentioned, a combination of bad luck and bad performance got in the way.
The major problem with the team however was a lack of depth. Every team has their share of injuries, but the Cardinals could not overcome theirs last year. Once David Freese went down (and he’s only a good player, by no means great) 3rd base was unproductive both offensively and defensively. On the pitching side an early injury to Brad Penny combined with an ineffective an injured Kyle Lohse (who didn’t see both of those coming?) forced the Cardinals to go outside of their system for Jake Westbrook. The price was hefty as we had to ship out Ryan Ludwick, which flows nicely into your next question…
RR: Lance Berkman: key to productive offense, or defensive disaster in right field? Also, what's the over/under on the number of days before his knees give out?
GHG: He’ll definitely be a defensive disaster. He was pretty bad out there the last few years before he moved to first base; I can only imagine what a few years away will have done. I’d set the over under on his knees giving out at around 75 games. The more interesting part of the question is what he means to the offense. Clearly he brings another high OBP capable bat, but I’m a little skeptical about the power he’ll bring. How much the Cards need another power bat probably relates to how well and long David Freese is able to man third and how much the Cards try and tinker with Colby’s swing (not to mention sit him irrationally). All in all I think Berkman will help the offense enough to offset his poor defense, but not enough to make him all that much better than the in house options (Jon Jay, Allen Craig).
RR: The Reds were in possession of Ryan Franklin for part of the 2006 season, and honestly, he seemed sort of lousy. He had one of the all-time great low-BABIP, huge xFIP-ERA seasons in 2003, and hadn't done anything of note since. But then the Cardinals signed him and he's become a very serviceable ...not just middle reliever, but closer! How did this happen? And how has he been able to outperform his peripherals every year in St. Louis?
GHG: Smoke and mirrors? Honestly I’m not exactly sure. One thing that stands out looking at his pitch data on Fangraphs is that he’s used the curveball a lot more in St. Louis than with other teams. Generally speaking it seems like Duncan has his pitchers use the curveball at the back foot of an opposite handed hitter as an out pitch. There may be some correlation here as Franklin has done a little better against LH hitters since becoming a Cardinal and increasing the use of his curveball. That said, I think a more likely explanation is in fact smoke and mirrors.
RR: Albert Pujols is in his walk year, and recently set a spring training deadline for contract negotiation. What is your take on the current state of the negotiations between the Cardinals and the best player in baseball? Is it possible that he might leave St. Louis? Probable?
GHG: I’m definitely not the best Cardinals fan to ask this question. I have paid practically no attention to the situation other than enough to know that deadlines have been set. I’d say that it’s possible that he would leave St. Louis, but not probable. I think management will eventually decide that they don’t want to anger an entire fanbase by not keeping the best player in baseball. That said, I’m sure Albert’s people know this and will therefore force the Cardinals to pay a premium. Hopefully that premium doesn’t make the deal to much worse than market value. I’d be ok with a slight overpay, but anything beyond slight would make being competitive extremely difficult.
RR: A lot was made of the Brewers revamping their starting rotation, but the Cardinals still enter the year with Carpenter-Wainwright-Garcia-Westbrook-Lohse. How do you think the Cardinals' rotation stacks up against other top rotations in the National League, like the Phillies, Giants, and now the Brewers? Any concerns for the coming season?
GHG: I think that the top of the rotation will be solid, but maybe not as spectacular as everyone expects. I’ll take Wainwright right up there with most anyone, but Carpenter I’m less sure about. I think he’ll have a good year, but I’m starting to be slightly concerned about all of the wear and tear on his arm (injury history included). I also think Garcia will have a good year, but wouldn’t be shocked at some level of regression; it’s just the nature of things. Westbrook seemed to thrive in his time in St. Louis and seems like the perfect fit in this rotation. Lohse is likely to be not good, but most fifth starters are likely to be not good. I think an interesting question about the rotation is how much the groundball heavy staff will be affected by the team’s new starting shortstop. Sure Brendan Ryan might not have been able to hit his way out of a paper bag, but he clearly could pick it out at SS. Theriot on the other hand appears to be league average at best. Combine that with Skip at 2nd and you have a miserable middle infield to play behind a groundball staff.
Overall I think the rotation is good with the chance to be great (with Carpenter being the determining factor), but is a good distance behind the Phillies and in the next tier with both the Giants and the Brewers.
Thanks to Steve for answering my questions!
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I like these back and forths
even if they are fraternizing with the enemy! Thanks J!
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
you are funny
you’ve been insisting Garcia is going to regress since last May.
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At this point, he might as well keep going, because he's going to be right someday.
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I was right!
He was turrible in September. And worse than his April/May in every month after that. In 30 innings in August, he gave up 15 runs, but since they weren’t all earned, he looks better off. Still, post ASG he was worse than pre-ASG, and he’s more of a #3 than a #1.
I think regression is due
and I agree with your theory that their increasingly poor defense will add to it. Doubtful he keeps an ERA under 3, but I still think he’ll hover around 3.5, which is very good
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
Right - I'm not saying he won't be very good.
I’m just saying he’s not a Cy Young candidate. I also think he’s closer to 3.7 than 3.5, which isn’t much of a difference.
yeah, he could realistically be anywhere between 3.2 and 3.8
His xFIP last year was 3.73. K/9 was an unspectacular 7.27, BB/9 an OK 3.53. He did have a good GB% of 55.9%, but that could be a problem with TheRiot and Skipper.
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
I think you're both wrong and he'll be at 3.6
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
What's your definition of regression?
Is it a decline in his peripherals or just his ERA?
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I can see a slight decline in FIP and for his ERA to regress towards that
I see him as a 3.75-4.00 true talent FIP guy right now
So yeah, he’s probably due for some regression
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wow, you think it'll go that far?
Just for fun, what’s your projection for him this year?
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I can see about 170 innings, similar K-rate, similar BB-rate, rise in HR/9, slightly higher BABIP
3.75 FIP seems about right for that, yeah?
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Dave Duncan is a witch
That’s my theory, and I’m sticking with it.
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Ha! This seems very plausible
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
A biny little witch?
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by jch24 on Feb 9, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Burn him!
Or drop a house on him. Whatever.
by the finest muffins on Feb 10, 2011 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
I saw we drop a burning house on him just to be sure
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The Pirates
lost their arb case to Ross Ohlendorf. Pay up, cheapskates.
Ohlendorf was the player the Yanks got in trade from the D-backs when they refused to part with Micah Owings.
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My guess is they try to trade him
A guy who won all but 11 of his 12 decisions last year should be easy to deal.
Map Quest really needs to start their directions on # 5. I'm pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
then again,
wins are overrated.
Map Quest really needs to start their directions on # 5. I'm pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
haha yeah
I’m kind of surprised he won, even though he had a 4.07 ERA, his xFIP was 4.96, and he DID go 1-11. Sadly, a horrific record like that will be brought up, even if wins are a stupid stat.
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Wins are a stupid stat if ...
you pitched well enough to win and your team sucks.
In Oley’s case, he flat-out was awful part of the time.
Map Quest really needs to start their directions on # 5. I'm pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
but
He was somehow a Super-2 player.
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yes
From MLB’s information page
A player with at least two but less than three years of Major League service shall be eligible for salary arbitration if he has accumulated at least 86 days of service during the immediately preceding season and he ranks in the top 17 percent in total service in the class of Players who have at least two but less than three years of Major League service, however accumulated, but with at least 86 days of service accumulated during the immediately preceding season.
6-2, 185
MLB Power Poll
from The Sporting News ranks the Reds fifth, and the Cards ninth.
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hush
"I can’t imagine playing anywhere else. I enjoy myself. I can’t imagine being with a better team."
-Joey Votto
Yeah, I don't like that.
I’m a big fan of low expectations.
by the finest muffins on Feb 10, 2011 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
The Brewers?
I dunno about that. Greinke is definitely a 1, and Marcum is good, and Gallardo is good but still inconsistent, and the ginger (whose name I forget) was probably above his head last year. Who’s #5?
Parra, Narveson, Wolf are listed
Parra with an asteroid for being hurt.
Map Quest really needs to start their directions on # 5. I'm pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
Well, if you’re going to have Marcum and Yo as “ok” and Wolf as having pitched over his head, yeah, then they’re 4th or even 5th. Narveson is the 5.
Marcum will be good (if healthy) but will likely regress (only a little) and Yovani still gives up lots of gophers.
I’m not saying they won’t be a good rotation, but I think they’re very close to being an average one.
Nahh
Marcum will benefit from a move to the NL, plus he’s always been pretty solid when healthy. Gallardo still walks a lot of guys, but can be lights out on any given day. Randy Wolf as your #4 starter ain’t too shabby.
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Wolf was way over his head last year!
Gallardo is inconsistent, you agree. Marcum is an injury risk, you agree.
Wolf had a bad year, yeah
but a solid (if a bit lucky) 2009. He’s a better-than-average #4 starter, though, or at least could be. Best case scenario, the Brewers have the best rotation in the central, worst case, they’re still probably #3.
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but they gotta stay healthy
I wouldn’t be surprised if Wolf and Molcum break down.
"I can’t imagine playing anywhere else. I enjoy myself. I can’t imagine being with a better team."
-Joey Votto
Brewers and Cards are similar, rotation-wise
Very good top 3, nothing much after that.
Putting the Reds in the discussion is really a matter of arguing quantity vs quality. Gotta give the edge to the high-end talent in the short term, but we’re much better prepared to deal with injuries.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Feb 9, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
Besides
Wood continues to be dependable into old age, and even if he starts to falter, they have ways to fix that.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
I disagree
for getting through 162 games I will give depth the edge.
How many teams get through a season using just 5 starters, 6, or even 7.
Last year the Reds used 9 starting pitchers, the Cardinals used 10, the Phillies used 9. You gotta have depth for the inevitable injuries and ineffectiveness.
Five from the group of Arroyo, Cueto, Volquez, Wood, Bailey, and Leake, will open the season in the rotation, and beyond that we have LeCure and Maloney and even Chapman in a pinch. In theory every member of our opening day rotation could be injured at the same time and we could still have a respectable MLB rotation.
"I can’t imagine playing anywhere else. I enjoy myself. I can’t imagine being with a better team."
-Joey Votto
i misread your statement
"I can’t imagine playing anywhere else. I enjoy myself. I can’t imagine being with a better team."
-Joey Votto
I honestly think the Cards are screwed
They have the look of a .500 team to me.
The guy’s right about Carpenter. He’s entering his age 36 season coming off 235 innings. Peripherals are down. Injury history.
If they don’t get the contract done, Pujols will be a distraction.
The Rasmus/LaRussa saga continues.
Berkman hasn’t played more than 50 games in the OF in SEVEN years.
Their infield is among the worst in MLB.
Farm system is defunct. Pitching depth is kiddie pool.
I think this is the year we say goodbye to LaRussa.
I can’t wait!
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Feb 9, 2011 12:58 PM EST reply actions
Some of this is true, some is disingenuous
I agree with Carp
You could also make the case that Pujols is in his “contract year”
Rasmus/TLR is dead. It was dead when the story was reported, which was 2 months after the initial incident
I agree with Berkman
I disagree. MIF, possibly, but not the entire infield
Farm system is much, much, much stronger. In fact, our pitching depth is the strongest part of the system. I have no idea what you’re talking about there
… I hope this is the last year of TLR. I think it is.
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TLR
Does his situation have any affect on the team’s chances of extending Pujols?
by ken on Feb 9, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
I lean towards yes, and (this is pure speculation), but it's why Mo's kept him around as long as he has
Mozeliak’s definitely had to deal with more constraints than if he hired his own manager
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Specifically, I meant rotation depth
It is inevitable that at least one of the top 5 will spend significant time on the DL.
Carp has missed 3.5 seasons due to injury.
Westbrook has missed almost 2 seasons due to injury.
Loshe is a huge gaping vagina.
Who do the Cards have that can fill in when this happens. Where’s your Maloney? Ou est votre LeCure?!?!!
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Feb 9, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Let us hope the Reds have a Maloney ...
… when that inevitable injury occurs in the rotation. Everybody has to adjust.
Map Quest really needs to start their directions on # 5. I'm pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
IDGI.
The Reds have a Maloney. His name is Matt Maloney.
by the finest muffins on Feb 10, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
Bryan Augenstein, Ian Snell, Miguel Bautista, PJ Walters, Adam Ottavino, Lance Lynn
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Hey that could be our rotation...
by August… Not one of those pitchers is as good as Maloney.
Sign Rodrigo Lopez!!!
Sure, but they're all capable depth
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Ian Snell is completely and hopelessly washed up....
Ottavino is rehabbing a torn labrum, Batista is 40 and hasn’t started in years… I would say Lynn and Walters are the only guys that are better than the best pitcher who will spend the summer sitting by the phone.
Sign Rodrigo Lopez!!!
Duncan has turned worse pitchers than Snell into servicable starters
Augenstein’s the one that intrigues me the most, actually
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So our rotation is...
AW-Carp-Garcia-Westy-Lohse-Lynn-Walters-waiver wire. That screams “sign a pitcher” to me.
Have you seen Augenstein pitch? He looks like a guy who should walk more hitters.
Sign Rodrigo Lopez!!!
Your argument against a dude is "He looks like a guy who should walk more hitters?"
You’re definitely being excessively bearish
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He just gave up a ton of hits...
I wonder if he’s throwing too many strikes, or if he just has mediocre stuff.
Sign Rodrigo Lopez!!!
I think if anyone is gunna turn Ian Snell around
it’s Dave Duncan.
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
He might be a witch, but he's no miracle worker.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Feb 9, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
Snell has the talent
still, it would be a remarkable accomplishment to turn him into a MLB starter. I wish I could say that I don’t believe its possible, but…
what happened to him between 2007 and 2008?
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by justin007000 on Feb 10, 2011 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
I think there's a movie about it.
“Curse of Starting for The Pirates” or something.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
really, huge gaping vagina?
what does that even mean?
"I can’t imagine playing anywhere else. I enjoy myself. I can’t imagine being with a better team."
-Joey Votto
Well, you see
When a lady has a lot… hmm?
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
I knew this day was going to come sooner or later.
Take a knee, son. We need to talk.
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don't be
just a couple of foot fairies
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brewers
can’t get much worse (or fat) than what they have
I like my beer cold, my tv loud, and my homosexuals flaming.
Pujols is average at first, Skip is abysmal at second, Theriot is average at short, Freese is slightly above average at third
And he didn’t say defensive infield… he just said infield.
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I'm fairly sure he was talking about defense.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
The Braves could be pretty terrible defensively
The Brewers infield is bad for sure, The Astros could be awful. Marlins, Tigers, Yankees, Blue Jays, Dodgers, and Giants are also pretty questionable to me.
They're talking about trading Lee for Michael Young too.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
Young may be the only person they could trade Lee for that wouldn't be a clear steal on their part
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I don't know if Chris Johnson is good defensively
but Keppinger is bad, especially at SS, Bill Hall might be average at 2B. Clint Barmes slightly above average wherever he might play, or maybe average at SS if he still plays SS. Honestly, I forgot about his addition, so that helps a lot, and he’s not even that good of a defender. I could still see them being below average, but probably not bad, you’re right.
I don't follow the farm system comment either.
The Cardinals have consistently been ranked in the bottom 1/3rd of the league this year for farm systems. There’s not much there beyond Shelby Miller.
remember
this?
Cards’ farm looks pretty sucktastic, though they are skewed to pitching.
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Carlos Martinez, Tyrell Jenkins
The talent’s there, they’re just all far from the big leagues
And our system is ranked low, but we’ve consistently put out Major League talent. On our current 25-man, we have Molina, Pujols, Skip, Freese, Rasmus, Jay, Craig, Greene, Wainwright, Garcia, Boggs, Motte, Salas.
There’s not a whole lot of high-ceiling, MVP-type guys, but a lot of league average talent that is underappreciated in prospect rankings.
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For what it's worth, Klaw says that Martinez has a decent chance at being better than Shelby
…and he has Shelby ranked #9
Ben Badler has said that Martinez has one of the best fastball at any level in the minors
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Don't mention Keith Law 'round these parts.
He’s wrong about one kajillion times for every time he’s right.
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There's a reason league average talent is underappreciated in prospect rankings
Wow. Just… wow.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Feb 9, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
What reason is that?
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There's also no reason for incredulity
We’re having a perfectly civil conversation. Comments like “Wow. Just… wow” seem pretty condescending
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You're right. I apologize.
I’m still getting used to looking down on you guys, and if I lack grace, it comes from years of suffering followed by earlier than expected success.
Producing league average players doesn’t seem very valuable to a high payroll team like the Cardinals. Though, I guess it’s becoming more important, considering you’ll be spending $50M on two players soon and you may not be able to add the kinds of bits and pieces that have kept you afloat in the past.
In that case, more power to you! Keep cranking out replacement players!
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Feb 9, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
League average =/= replacement
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Be that as it may
I could still use a nickel every time a Cardinals fan accuses someone else of being classless or tries to offer unsolicited advice on how to conduct their business.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 10, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Does anyone on the outside
know about the existence or nature of the melodrama between TLR and Rasmus?
Are there 6th and 7th starters in AAA for the upcoming season?
The beat writers have a pretty good clue; they all (along with Rasmus and TLR) that the feud is squashed
I posted about 6th and 7th starters above. We have more than enough SP depth
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I'm of the opinion
that there is no such thing as enough SP depth. Even with the depth the Reds have, I’m still a bit nervous.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 9, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
Well, yeah
I’m fairly comfortable with SP depth. In a pinch, we’ll just sign Jeff Weaver and win the World Series or something
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by mysterui on Feb 9, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Now this was funny, rec'd
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
Farm system is much deeper, but almost all of it is more than a year away.
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This is a correct assessment
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You should see a brain doctor
Seriously.
You’re going to start seeing purple elephants any minute now.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Feb 9, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
It is deeper. It's not good. Just deeper.
Apart from Miller (and maybe Cox, although I’m not a believer) it’s full of guys who may, if they are lucky, be league average players, but will more likely be bench guys.
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I argue that the league-average players are underappreciated though
Realistically, they have the exact same mean as the high-upside guys, with a smaller variance. That’s very valuable.
A good system has a healthy blend of both, and the Cardinals have done a VERY good job of developing the league-average guys over the past few years, and are now injecting the high upside prospects into the system.
All of this is mostly an aside; we’re not a good farm system, I agree
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How many of the current crop of big leaguers were drafted by Mozeliak?
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Feb 9, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure without doing a lot of research
He was in charge of the draft for 2-3 of the Jocketty years, however
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All of them except Pujols and Molina...
and the guys who are obviously from outside the org. He’s done a good job on the whole.
Sign Rodrigo Lopez!!!
Does the 'all of them' include pitchers
or was that just position players?
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
It includes pitchers...
but that only includes Boggs and Garcia. Everyone else is from other organizations… Jason Motte was picked before Mo. Jess Todd, Chris Perez, and Clay Mortenson were Mo picks and later traded. Jay, Craig, T Greene, Rasmus, and Brett Wallace were all his too.
Sign Rodrigo Lopez!!!
That sounds like a fan talking :(
Your system is chock full of bench players… without Pujols, woof. Freese and Jay and Greene are mid-.700 OPSers in all likelihood, which isn’t bad, but they’re probably league average at best.
I'm saying that there's a lot of value to that, as well. High-floor, low-ceiling guys are just as valuable, if you go by mean projections, as high ceiling, low-floor guys, correct?
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Not finding much corroboration on the web about the depth of the Cards system
Ranked near the bottom by everyone who’s not a Cards blog.
(27) http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/01/26/2010-farm-system-rankings/
(23) http://bleacherreport.com/articles/561480-mlb-power-rankings-farm-systems-for-every-mlb-team#page/9
(30) http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2010/3/4/1336152/farm-system-rankings
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Feb 9, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
The fanhouse and btb articles are from before....
the Cards added Cox, Jenkins, Blair, Swagerty and Matias/Martinez… And the bleacher report article was published by the bleacher report.
Sign Rodrigo Lopez!!!
Not vouching for the quality of those publications
But I can’t find anything that puts the Cards anywhere near the top half.
Most seem to agree that you had a solid first day of the draft this year.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Feb 9, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think they're in the top half...
I think BA has them in the low 20s. They gutted it for DeRosa/Holliday plus they recently graduated Freese, Rasmus, Jay, Craig, and Garcia. There’s a lot of disagreement about Cox, plus Jenkins and Martinez are a very long way off, so there’s variance there. It isn’t good, but it’s not horrible either.
Sign Rodrigo Lopez!!!
Agreed
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I agree that there is a lot of value in league-average players
My point is that apart from a few really young pitchers, the system is full of guys whose ceiling is being league average (Cox, Craig, etc.) You are loaded with young pitchers, but apart from Miller and Martinez, I’m not jazzed by any of them. (Jenkins is just so young and raw still) I doubt that even 4 of BAs top 10 of your guys end up as league average players.
It seems like you have a serious need for some positional depth which you are really lacking, and the pitching depth is, for the most part, at least 2 years away.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
That's probably a fair assessment
I disagree slightly about Cox (Something like a 3-3.5 WAR peak might be there), but the rest seems pretty true to me.
by stevesommer05 on Feb 9, 2011 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
Is Cox the third baseman that fell to them in the draft last year?
Sorry, I don’t know a whole ton about prospects- working on it, but right now I really only know guys with the Reds.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
Yeah.
I think something like Daric Barton’s year last year (maybe with a little more power and little less OBP) is something he could do decently soon. That and league average-ish D is probably around the 3-3.5 WAR
by stevesommer05 on Feb 9, 2011 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
Gotcha
He’s supposed to stick at 3rd then?
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
I've heard that yeah
He’s not the same as Brett Wallace, who was doomed from the begining
by stevesommer05 on Feb 9, 2011 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know how anyone could walk with those thighs.
They’re a spectacle.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
I was sceptical so I GIS'd
and wow. just….wow

"College actually kind of beat that out of me, making me more, well, of an asshole."
Even Yonder thinks those thighs are ridiculous
The good news is he shouldn’t have trouble finding a husband with those birthing hips of his.
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
/howdoesmyasstaste'd
I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
by Corky's Stache on Feb 10, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
I think that's absolutely his ceiling.
I don’t doubt he’ll hit for a high average and walk enough (although not a ton), but I really don’t see him hitting for much power. If he does, expect the average to go way down.
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Well, that was his issue in college
He either hit for power with a low average, or a high average with no power
Rumor has it that he was tinkering with his swing a lot to cut down on the strikeouts, which is what sapped his power
The talent is definitely there; the Cardinals just have to harness it and hopefully he’ll be able to hit for both average and power
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No offense, but I think that attitude is peppered with a ton of homerism.
It’s like when we Reds fans think Juan Francisco is going to learn to walk a lot and get good at 3B defense.
Cox has never, ever shown an ability to hit for both average and power. It seems extremely optimistic to assume he’ll suddenly be able to.
I agree that the talent is there…..to either have a high average or lots of power, but not both.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
I'd still trade Juan Francisco for Cox any day of the week
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
Of course. I wasn't comparing them as prospects
Just comparing attitudes towards them.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
I just wanted to take another opportunity
to express my distaste with END. And fantasize about trading him.
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
This could be our year!
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I bet if obc or jch came up with the nickname you'd like it
#rawr
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
they would never come up with that nickname
boobs is the nickname generator. he is responsible for tubby!
Which just happens to be the worst nickname ever
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Hey, he's a nickname generator
Nobody said he was a good nickname generator.
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None of that subjective on my part; all of that comes straight from scouting reports
His freshman year, he tried to hit for power (and succeeded), but struck out too much
His sophomore year, he made a deliberate attempt to cut down on his strikeouts (and succeeded), but sapped his power a bit
I think the fact that he was able to succeed with both approaches WHILE tinkering with his swing speaks to his talent level and why he was a top-10 prospect coming out
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Right, scouting reports that say he'll be able to hit for average OR power, not both
I read all of those reports too, since there were rumors of the Reds drafting him. That brings up another point. I know money was an issue, but there has to be another reason he fell so far in the draft. I think there are significant questions about his overall offensive potential.
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I think he has the ability do both
We’ll just agree to disagree.
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that's what I was thinking
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Aw, another Cardinal fan who hates Tony LaRussa?
Makes me miss my Grandpa. He’s hated the dude for as long as I can remember.
But he also said (I think on the day he died, actually!) that Albert Pujols was overrated. So maybe I should take his opinions with a grain of salt.
by the finest muffins on Feb 10, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
Sure they may end up a 0.500 team
But I’d argue they don’t have “the look” of one. On paper they may not be a 95 win powerhouse, but I’d think they’d line up something along the lines of 88ish. Carp, while I’m concerned, doesn’t mean he’ll be value less. I don’t really care if Pujols is a distraction or not. The team is a veteran team (unfortunately, but that’s another story) so I think they can handle it like big boys. I think the LaRussa Rasmus thing will figure itself out. Even if it doesn’t Rasmus put up 3.5 WAR in that environment. Berkman, eh, understand. That said I think there league averageish replacements there if he gets hurt. Infield D is bad. No argument here. They’ll be better offensively than last year though (not a high hurdle). Farm system is below average and may be “defunct” as far as replacements this year. A little better long term I think. Pitching depth is no where close to yours, but not many teams are. Yeah if a SP loses significant time, I’ll be concerned… a couple of weeks, not so much.
by stevesommer05 on Feb 9, 2011 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
There's no way the Cards could afford Michael Young, right?
He seems like a good fit to help the Cards have a less terrible infield, and they are on his short list of teams he would play for.
Watch it, ass blood.
Screw Pujols!
What we need is Michael Young!
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Any money we would have in the budget is going towards Pujols, I'm sure
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Michael Young wouldn't be that much of a defensive upgrade
He’s seriously declined recently. That being said, if Texas would pick up a huge chunk of salary, I can’t imagine Young wouldn’t be welcomed as the new starting 2B.
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
I'm working on a new line of t-shirts featuring Glenn Beck
I’m calling the line “Glenn Beck killed…” The shirt will just be a standard print across the chest saying, “Glenn Beck killed” a famous person in history. Examples:
Glenn Beck killed Dale Earnhardt
Glenn Beck killed Abraham Lincoln
Glenn Beck killed Ghandi
Glenn Beck killed Allen Iverson
Glenn Beck killed Freddy Mercury
Glenn Beck killed World War I
Glenn Beck killed Susan G. Koman
…and others!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 9, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
Glenn Beck killed the radio star!
Bastard!
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Feb 9, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Good one!
I’m gonna steal that one.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 9, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
You do not need to steal it.
I offer it to you gladly.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Feb 9, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
Glenn did not, however, shoot the deputy
Map Quest really needs to start their directions on # 5. I'm pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
by johnu1 on Feb 9, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Man I hate Glenn Beck
The guy is a world class idiot
Bill O'Rielly'd
I don't generally like running. I believe in training by rising gently up and down from the bench. - Satchel Paige
Glenn Beck killed me softly with his song.
Actually, I guess it was pretty loud.
"there no countrey called west xylophone" Youtube
Glenn Beck killed Kenny!
That bastard!
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
See?
It’s a great idea because there is an inexhaustible list of people for him to kill!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 9, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
How could t-shirts have multiple messages? Explain that!
-Bill O’Reilly
by Brendanukkah on Feb 10, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
You put bread in and toast comes out!
Explain THAT!
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
Of a t-shirt?
Which in-flight novelty catalog do I need to send this check to??
Need the number of that store where they make ceramics in an oven made out of damaged circus supplies. It's called Rumpled Stilts Kiln. - Jon Wurster
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Feb 10, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
Truckin' Bozo!
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
Steve Sommers is the son of Dale Sommers, The Truckin' Bozo
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
guys, can you help out by identifying these players
(all on your 2010 roster)
i’m not 100% sure on most of them so i thought i’d come to the source and ask
picture 1 who’s that behind rolen?
picture 2 the three guys in the background
picture 3
picture 4
picture 5
picture 6
picture 7
thanks
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
by d-dee on Feb 9, 2011 3:12 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
1. Ryan Hanigan
2. from left to right, Drew Stubbs, Brandon Phillips, Chris Heisey, Paul Janish
3. Juan Francisco
4. Ramon Hernandez
5. Chris Valaika
6. Miguel Cairo
7. Travis Wood
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 9, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
thanks, much appreciated
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
Cool pics, man
You had some decent seats, eh?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 9, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Ma'am*
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i sneak in and out of the good seats
i’m quite sneaky
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
thanks, for what it's worth
i really toned them as farther down as i could
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
Dang...
Those are some awesome seats. Do you remember which game that was? I made a couple this year-
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
the pictures are timestamped
on the right where it says “This photo was taken on…”
i navigate Busch Stadium easily and chances are i didn’t pay for the seat those were taken from
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
all of you guys thanks for this
we were all assholes last year.
Prior to August I actually enjoyed VEB, I thought that the analysis was good and most of the comments were witty.
I was an ass who wasn’t use to winning.
Why don’t we turn our hate together towards the Cubs, that is something we can all agree on.
"I can’t imagine playing anywhere else. I enjoy myself. I can’t imagine being with a better team."
-Joey Votto
BCB takeover Friday at noon?!
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I like this idea
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
justin, at times you were also just an ass
i really enjoyed RR before all that crap went down too
and sparks flew between both blogs and from both sides, it wasn’t just us
but i also don’t speak for all of veb
however, this is a new season now so i’d like to put this behind us and just enjoy baseball
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
justin, i think i might have misread what you wrote (oops)
regardless, i’m looking forward to some friendly bickering this season
cheers
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
nice pics!
Rec’d.
Even if you didn’t recognize our starting SS, future hall of famer Paul Janish. ;-)
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My goodness
It’s been a crazy day and I’m just now getting over here to take a look at the comments.
I also finally got a chance to send a direct link to Gas House’s thing with my comments/responses. But here it is:
http://gashousegraphs.com/2011/02/09/nl-central-5-questions-cincinnati-reds/
-j
I write at:
Beyond the Boxscore | Red Reporter | Basement-Dwellers.com | Twitter: @jinazreds
Big thanks to Justin
For doing this with us. I’ll try and peruse some of the other discussions above and see if I have anything to add.
Can I start blatantly trolling yet?
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Only if you're willing to be blatantly racist and homophobic
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
Just wanna say thanks to the classy Cards fans on here
I’ve had my arguments with ya (lookin at you guayzimi—sorry for my snark), but nonetheless I appreciate civil and smart banter with a tinge of good-natured needling. On that note, GO REDS
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
STRAIGHT TO THE CELLAR LOLOLOLOL
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isn't that where TLR keeps his secret animal sex slaves?
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
by UncleWeez on Feb 9, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
at least we know he's not a serial killer!
I saw him on Housecat Housecall. He runs a cat rescue organization.
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It saves him a lot of money on groceries!
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
by crolfer on Feb 9, 2011 8:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The Reds aren't natural enemies...
of the Cardinals – the Mets, Astros, and Cubs fill that role. If the Reds would just accept their rightful place next to the Pirates we could avoid kerfuffles like the Cueto affair.
Sign Rodrigo Lopez!!!
I object to this
because, according to what I’ve learned from Jerry Bruckheimer movies, pirates generally have very poor personal hygiene.
"there no countrey called west xylophone" Youtube
by andromache on Feb 9, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
but they sure know how to wear the hell out of that eyeliner
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
Yeah but so does Jim Edmonds
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by mysterui on Feb 9, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
ahem-the CARPENTER affair
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
by UncleWeez on Feb 9, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's not like we asked to be in the same division as you stinking birds
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Feb 9, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
the AL West has room...
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
In that case, I'd rather send the Brewers back where they belong.
I liked them better when I was barely aware of their existence.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Feb 9, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
I can't stand any of these guys
Seriously. I hate them all.
Seriously.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 10, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Well, of all things in this world to hate,
Cardinals fans on the internet seems like a good choice.
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Let me just say one and only one thing about the Cards
They’re alright but LaLoser can fucking blow me
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Sabermetric question
There should be some sort of Bill Hall-like stat. So if the Reds signed Bill Hall and buried him on the bench, or AAA, or a shallow grave the reds would gain 2-3 wins that year. Like a WAD (wins adjusted for death of a certain player). For example Mariano Rivera would have a huge career WAD on Boston.
by RedHotHollywood on Feb 10, 2011 11:37 AM EST reply actions
Mariano Rivera already blew his WAD all over Boston multiple times
/trytheveal’d
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
There isn't a stat, but there is the Bill Hall All-Star team
Which, by the way, needs to be updated.
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by BK on Feb 10, 2011 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
So, apparently the Twins are open to trading Liriano
Power lefty with ace potential? WANT WANT WANT
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
They have Morneau at 1B and Kubel at DH
so I dunno about Yonder. They’re weak up the middle, as are most people, so it’d probably have to include someone like Hamilton. And then they’d probably want a pitcher, so yeah, Homer or maybe Leake/Wood. Plus one or two others.
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
you took a lot more time to analyze a potential trade than I did.
so i’ll say, homer, somebody & francisco!
'tHan's method of analyzing a trade is.
“Get rid of whoever I don’t like!”
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
My bad, confused you with HLM for a second.
I doubt he has that much trade value right now. It would probably take Wood or Leake to get a deal done.
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'tHan & HighLifeMan
A Double Shot of Awesome!™
by 'tHan on Feb 10, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Just like Quatman's and a Burger Beer!
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
or a Quatman's Burger Beer!
What a delicious combo!
Calmer than you are.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Feb 10, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
They seem to like all glove-no bat MI types (coughNickPuntocough)
so maybe Janish or Valaika would appeal to them. Obviously not as a centerpiece, but a supplemental piece. Does Leake/Hamilton/Valaika get it done?
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
It damn well better.
That’s a proven, cheap pitcher with some upside, a top 100 prospect, and an immediate contributor who might be able to start, all for a guy who may or may not stay healthy and won’t be cheap.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
but I thought that was everyone!
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Would you go so far as to say that their up the middle is a huge, gaping vagina?
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
I'd hang onto Wood
Leake, Volquez, Arroyo
All expendable if it means we get Liriano. I like Homer better than Leake (I think).
b/c of what he makes, I’d see if they’re interested in BP, and also see what interest they might have in Dorn, Vailaka, and Frazier (although keeping Frazier does seem attractive). END is very expendable.
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 10, 2011 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
Doubt they'd have much interest in Dorn, unless he was a throw in
they could’ve taken him in the Rule V 2 years in a row
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
good point
I forgot he’s been passed over in the Rule V
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 12, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
we have plenty of trading chips
make it fucking happen Walt!
Trade Volquez!
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 10, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
I don't even know why I said "potential"
he is an ace
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
Hmm, he'll probably be looking for a long term agreement
It says here he wanted 3/39 million.
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
... Now THAT puts things in perspective.
Shit…
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
I wonder
if Brian Cashman is organizing the fleet of Brinks trucks yet.
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Don't the Twins go 1-3 in the ALDS anyhow?
What’s the point?
Map Quest really needs to start their directions on # 5. I'm pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
love what he says about the Cards
For some reason the offseason strategy was to get older, slower and worse defensively. That doesn’t seem like a successful strategy.
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