How replaceable is Brandon Phillips?
A few days ago, John Fay wrote a bit about Brandon Phillips and his future. BeeP said that because of the extensions the Reds signed with Jay Bruce, Joey Votto, Johnny Cueto, and Bronson Arroyo, he started wondering about his own contract. He is set to make $11 mil this season with a club option for next season at $12 mil, so it's certainly possible, as Fay noted, that the Reds could look to replace him in the near future if they deem the cost of retaining him too prohibitive.
So this got me thinking: if the Reds indeed decide to turn the page on the Brandon Phillips era, how easy would it be to replace his production? Of course, a straight one-for-one replacement is likely impossible. According to FanGraphs, only five 2B have outperformed Phillips over the past three years, and not a one of them is likely to be available for less money than they would pay him. Quality costs money, and if the Reds are willing to spend on 2B it might as well be on the BeeP.
But if the Reds were willing to part with him, they likely wouldn't look to completely replace his production. Rather, they would look to a player who is significantly cheaper while also providing as much of the lost production as possible. So the operative question is: What kind of talent is available that is both cheap enough and good enough to replace Phillips? If the answer is "eh, not much", it's likely smarter to try to retain him and sign him to an extension. If the answer is "I think we could get by", it might be time to say bye-bye to BP.
So to figure this out, I started snooping around a bit. The easiest place to find a replacement would be in the farm system. Unfortunately, the Reds system is kind of bare when it comes to potential 2B right now. The most likely candidates I can find to play 2B by next season are Todd Frazier, Kris Negron, Billy Hamilton, and Henry Rodriguez. Frankly, I'm not comfortable enough with any one of these guys right now to plan on handing them the spot in 2012. Frazier is the most major-league ready of the bunch, but his glove at 2B is unproven at best. The Reds think he's far more likely to succeed in LF or maybe at 3B. Negron had a decent year last year, OPSing .770 in AA, but I don't think he'll hit well enough to stick as a major-league regular. Hamilton is one of the best prospects in the system, but he's never played a game above short-season ball. Next year is far too early for him. Ditto that for Hank-Rod, who will likely start next season in A+ ball.
So that means we'll have to look elsewhere. Unfortunately, assessing the pool of available quality talent outside the system is far more difficult. So here's what I did: I tallied up the number of players who have maintained an average-or-better performance at 2B over the past three years. I defined "average-or-better" as any player who accumulated six or more WAR over the past three seasons (if two WAR is average for a single season, then six WAR is average over three seasons, right?) while getting the majority of their ABs at the position. What this will do is give us a snapshot of the overall league-wide talent level at the position. I then did the same thing for every other position to see how the overall talent at 2B compares to the overall talent elsewhere on the diamond (if a player played more than one position, I counted him at the position he played the most). The results were pretty interesting.
It turns out that 2B is a relatively dry position right now in baseball. Only 10 players cleared the (albeit somewhat arbitrary) bar I conjured up. That's not many compared to the other positions. Here are the results: 1B - 16; SS - 13; 3B - 14; C - 5; RF - 12; CF - 14; LF - 9. It makes sense that the richest position right now is 1B. Teams play their strongest hitters there, so though I haven't checked into it, I would venture to guess that 1B is always well-represented in terms of average-or-better players. Catcher is the least represented, which also makes sense. Those guys take a beating back there, so only the strong survive.
It's interesting that 2B and LF are otherwise the least-represented here with average-or-better players. I think those two positions share something in common that is really unique: relatively few prospects ever come up at the positions. Most 2B (like Phillips) are just shortstops that can't stick with the glove. I think the same goes for LF. A guy gets moved to LF when he doesn't have the speed to play CF, the arm to play RF, or the athleticism to play the infield. They are the middle children of positions.
But it doesn't matter why there is such a paucity of talent at the position, all I'm worried about is whether there is or not. So back to my original point - the relative talent level at 2B is weak right now. The likelihood that the Reds can find even a league-average replacement for Phillips doesn't look all that good. The below-average tier of 2B over the past three years is populated by the likes of Felipe and Jose Lopez, Ryan Theriot, and Freddy Sanchez. In other words, the mirror images of guys like Edgar Renteria and Orlando Cabrera.
So I guess what I'm saying is that it looks like it is a good idea to at least pick up BP's option next year. The likelihood that the team will be able to find a suitable replacement in the next year is just not good enough. The best course of action is probably to pick up his option and hope that a prospect emerges who proves himself worthy of the challenge. If that doesn't happen, they should probably think hard about hammering out a long-term extension. It's difficult to find a quality 2B out there, so perhaps the smart thing to do is hold on to him if you got one.
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I stopped following him on twitter
So very replaceable…
I think it depends on the money how replaceable he is, and when Billy Hamilton is ready.
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71
I'm going to stop following him right now.
I skip over his tweets even more often than I skip over tHan’s.
by Brian B on Feb 4, 2011 8:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not at all
I don’t think there is any way BP can be replaced. I also think he would be willing to sign for a team friendly deal with what other 2B have been signing for. I think he is the #1 priority to extend (even over Volquez) after this season.
I would not extend him yet
I would wait to see how the guys on the farm do in this season, and how BP holds up, and how the market looks going into 2012. BP is on the decline, and I don’t think he’s going to age very gracefully to be honest.
My hope would be that Frazier proves his early season struggles were indeed the result of injury, and that he’ll be ready to take over at 2B when it’s time to make a choice on BP. If not, it becomes a pretty tough decision, as BP is a pretty good player, but he’s going to be paid more than he’s going to be worth.
I disagree about his 'decline'
He posted a career high in OBP and tied his high for OPS+ . That says to me that he was not only trying to, but successfully did contour to the 1 or 2 hole in the lineup. All the while, keeping pretty consistent power, 19 hrs.
This year, he will NOT lead-off the lineup. When Lewis isn’t playing, Stubbs should lead-off. And if Rent-n-Roll is playing, Dusty will either stick him in the 2 hole or the 8 hole, Same for Janish. This will push BP back to his home in the heart of the lineup, which will give him a chance to drive in RBIs with his strong bat.
What in the last 5 years says anything besides super consistent?
"Never fight a land war in Asia"
He has been very consistent
but I think injuries will take a bigger toll, the loss of foot speed will hurt his defense (already started IMO) and his baserunning, and he does not have much room for error with a bat that maxes out about average. It is not a big fall from BP to Jose Lopez.
I don't think Jose Lopez or Freddy Sanchez
are quite as bad as OC or Edgar, but your point stands.
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@DatDudeBP:
Dawg those internet doods be lyke WAT? Replace ME with WAT? Dey talkin bout a NEGRON? Shit… bitches be crazy lol
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by crolfer on Feb 4, 2011 4:16 PM EST reply actions 12 recs
out of the mouths of babes
well done. hat tip.
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I think picking up the option is a no-brainer at this point
But I think it’s entirely possible that either Hank-Rod or Hamilton will be ready to take the job by 2013. Rodriguez will be 23 and Hamilton will be 22 on OD in 2013. If either of them make huge strides this season, I say you pick up the option and leave it be. If they both struggle, you talk about an extension next offseason.
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Agree that it's early
At $11M after the buyout the option isn’t exactly cheap, but there should be room for it with Coco off the books. But I don’t see BP here beyond 2012. The raises for Votto, Bruce, Cueto, and the others will make it tough to justify paying eight figures to a secondbaseman in his 30s. Even if neither of the prospects takes a big step forward this year, I’d be hesitant to talk extension until you have to. I’ve loved the Brandon Phillips era, but over the past few seasons he’s gotten slower and has hit for less power. I don’t see him being an above average player in 2013.
teh fay
says Leake, Wood or Bailey could end up in the pen. Whoever doesn’t make the rotation could move to the bullpen.
He says:
I think Leake is best suited for that role because of his bat. He hit .333 with a .407 on-base percentage last year.
What does he mean by that? If a pitcher’s got a good bat, isn’t that more of a help if he’s starter than if he’s a reliever?
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Maybe he's talking about pinch hitting
Sort of like a Micah Owings situation
"Those fellas make some good points," Baker said. "They're profane as hell, and they're probably gay, but they make some good points."
Dusty Baker on RR
But Micah Owings pinch hit more when he was a starter than when he was the long man.
When he was a starter, there were 4 days out of 5 he wasn’t needed for anything except pinch hitting. When he was in the bullpen, there was always the chance he’d be needed to pitch, so he didn’t pinch-hit all that often.
by the finest muffins on Feb 4, 2011 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
exactly
If they’re willing to use Arroyo as a pinch-runner on his off days, they should be willing to use Leake as a pinch-hitter.
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On balance, I think so
Though it depends on how often they’d be willing to PH him – which would have the downside of taking a reliever away. So it would have to happen on days when Leake wasn’t available (or a blow-out situation). If he were to come in during the defensive half, he’d avoid the double-switch – which has the virtue of saving a position player sub. If he was a long reliever, he might get 2 PAs that way every 5-7 days, plus an extra PA or two on days after he pitched multiple innings. That could add up to as many PAs as he’d get starting. But I kinda doubt he’d be used that frequently, given that Micah made 25 apps last year, but only 14 PAs.
Also, having a reliever PH and stay in the game seems logistically difficult, given warm-ups and the possibility of having to stay on the basepaths for a while.
I think it’s daft to consider any of those guys in the ’pen right now. Dusty seems to like having a long-man, so why not use Matt Maloney? With Chapman there already, do we really need to mess with another young starter who should be polishing their starting skills?
To me, Wood is already in the rotation – and Homer deserves at least another half season to be healthy and piece it together. He’s out of options and bullpenning him only drops his trade value.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Feb 4, 2011 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
What do people really think of Leake
I trust him as much as I trust Sam LeCure. i think the league got wise to his dart-throwing repertoire and, it’s quite possible I’m wrong, I just don’t think he projects any better than a fourth starter, unless the command and control just increase exponentially.
Then again, what the hell do I know?
the league definitely got wise to Leake
they adjusted, he didn’t
let’s see if he can adjust
he could be a MOR SP, but we need to keep him away from Condom Arm
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 6, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
His control is fine
Throw out his first two starts and his BB/9 is 2.67.
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
he got shelled after the all star break
glad the ballclub finally shut him down, he wasn’t even suited for mop up duty out of the pen.
hopefully it was just a tired arm and he’s ready to bounce back in 2011.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
i hope your right
"I can’t imagine playing anywhere else. I enjoy myself. I can’t imagine being with a better team."
-Joey Votto
Yeah, I think he was fried late in the year
I think he’ll be fine though.
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
im on the Volks wagon
i’ll wager Edinson outstats Mikey next season
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
by obc2 on Feb 7, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
not a bad band wagon on which to be
considering our options are:
Cueto (crowded)
Volquez (breaks down, hope you got AAA)
Condom Arm (who knows where that’s been?)
Old Hoss (not a bad option)
Wood (obc screens all applicants)
Leake (will he adjust coming into 2011? stay tuned!)
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 7, 2011 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
are you also screening applicants with obc?
can I get membership on that bandwagon?
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 7, 2011 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
obc?
I was on the Wood bandwagon way before that dude.
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makes perfect sense
same role as owings — mop up guy, can PH too. Not sure it has to be Leake tho, I would just make it whoever is doing worst out of the SP candidates.
Honestly, I still expect Leake to make the team out of ST as a SP.
I think the Reds still have questions about his ability to pitch a full season, and would rather get quality innings out of him at the beginning of the season when he’s still at “full strength” rather than send him to AAA to run up an innings count that doesn’t contribute on the MLB level.
I could see a similar scenario to last year, one where Bailey gets a spot in the rotation (since he’s out of options, right?), Leake gets a spot in the rotation, and Wood (even though I think he’s got the best shot at 200 IP of sub 3.40 ERA ball) will get sent to Louisville so that he’ll be ready to step in to Leake’s rotation spot by mid season.
I’d prefer to have Leake in the ‘pen and have Bailey and Wood in the rotation if possible, I just don’t think that’ll happen unfortunately.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 5, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
if they all stay healthy
(knock on Wood – sorry, Travis!) I think Leake’s the odd man out.
Wood simply pitched better last season. Plus, he’s a lefty on a staff that doesn’t have any others.
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yabbut, there's not a LH hitter in the NLC that scares me.
Pena? Meh. Colby Jack? Meh.
Lotsa righties, though.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 5, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Fielder, I guess. Kinda. That's it though.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 5, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
even if that's true
Wood pitched better than Leake. The point is to win, right?
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Right
Wood held righties to a .651 OPS last season. He’s good.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 5, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
I don't get why Leake HAS to be in the majors
I totally agree that Wood should be the 5th starter. Let Leake fine tune some stuff in AAA. Depth is a good thing.
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Wood should be the 5th starter?
Wood is our best starter.
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 5, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
certainly better than Condom Arm & Volquez
definitely better than Old Hoss & Leake, and I’d pick him over Cueto
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 6, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
I told you
I had more confidence in Travis Wood over any other SP from July on. im looking for 15 wins (i know, i know) out of him this season.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
15 is the new 20
i remember pitchers hitting 20 wins somewhat regularly when i was a lil guy. its been, what, 23 years since a Red hit that win total?
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
well 200 IP is the new 250
and 250 is the new 300.
32 Starts is a full season of work now.
"I can’t imagine playing anywhere else. I enjoy myself. I can’t imagine being with a better team."
-Joey Votto
I feel like Danny Jackson is the answer to the question
as to the year, I’m too lazy to look it up
I’m thawing out after successfully not falling off my roof removing snow and ice today
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 6, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Tom Browning won 20 games in 1985
another pitcher who compares to Bronson.
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-Joey Votto
Certainly better than condom arm if healthy
probably better than Old Hoss and Leake. Potentially better than Volquez. About equal with Cueto if they both get a best-case season.
Wood had awesome BABIP luck last season, a very low HR/FB, and a very poor GB%. I think he’s a good pitcher, but then again, so was Volquez for half a season when the league had never seen him before (exactly Wood’s situation). If any regression happens for Wood, it’s going to go in the wrong direction. I’m not ready to call him our best pitcher based on 100 innings, or we would have done so for Bailey, Volquez, Arroyo, or Cueto at various times before.
well reasoned
i especially believe that regression will probably be negative.
"I can’t imagine playing anywhere else. I enjoy myself. I can’t imagine being with a better team."
-Joey Votto
I'd like stronger evidence than half a season.
"I can’t imagine playing anywhere else. I enjoy myself. I can’t imagine being with a better team."
-Joey Votto
by justin007000 on Feb 6, 2011 1:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If that's the case, Dontrelle Willis is our 5th starter.
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Agreed
I think Leake is the clubhouse leader for the odd man out, but ST could change that. I see him in the bullpen as the 6th starter in waiting. If there is the perception that he has less than a full season of starts, then stepping into the rotation in mid-summer after limited relief innings sounds like a plan instead of using up those innings over the first four months of the season.
You're never as bad as you look when you lose. You're never as good as you look when you win.
But if he's working out of the pen initially
he won’t be ready to start. He’ll need some time to stretch out and build up his endurance and get on a starter’s routine. I think you gotta make the choice one way or another up front, even though Leake seems like the kind of guy that could handle it.
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
I understand stretching out
But I’m kind of old-fashioned here and think the specialization gets overdone. Get the best 12 pitchers on the staff from day one. Then assign roles. The roles are not set in stone and may fluctuate as the season progresses. But Bailey, Wood, and Leake are all part of that best dozen pitchers. I don’t want to see any of them in Louisville “staying sharp.”
You're never as bad as you look when you lose. You're never as good as you look when you win.
The problem with this is
that you are assuming that those three are still in the best 12 even if they have to relieve.
In other words, it’s entirely possible that one or more of them would completely suck/be thrown off by coming out of the pen. None of them have done it at any time in the recent past, so it’s not a given that they’d be any good at it. Specifically, I think Homer would be terrible at it.
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Allowing leake to start at the mlb or aaa level does more important things than keeping him sharp. It builds arm strength.
If you keep leake in the bullpen or swing him in 2011 he won’t be a 200 ip in 2012.
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by justin007000 on Feb 6, 2011 1:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Wood in i think 12 starts pitched better than leaked who had more starts
Leaked had similar numbers to wood in his first 12 starts and faced more teams multiple times. I want to see wood go around
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by justin007000 on Feb 6, 2011 1:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The league 2 more times.
"I can’t imagine playing anywhere else. I enjoy myself. I can’t imagine being with a better team."
-Joey Votto
by justin007000 on Feb 6, 2011 1:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
YES!
he’ll have Chapman setting up for him!
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 6, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
Right after that it says
very stupid as well.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
I heart Jay Bruce
He just keeps getting awesomer
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by nycredsfan on Feb 4, 2011 5:18 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
rec'd
This is why I love Jay Bruce. He’s remarkably mature and well-grounded for a kid in his position.
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i felt the same away about Austin Kearns as you do Jay Bruce
keep him away from Ray King!
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Jay Bruce is in danger of eclipsing Joey Votto as my favorite Red.
For real.
by the finest muffins on Feb 4, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
Jay Bruce is probably going to get better
and here’s for another 6-7 years. Why wouldn’t I like him better?
Yeah, he's there for me already
And that is NO knock on Votto.
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
he's continuing the aaron's aces program himself and keeping the same the same ..
… to honor aaron’s work. bad ass sir … bad ass.
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yeah, that was pretty awesome
good to keep a memory of Harang around.
"College actually kind of beat that out of me, making me more, well, of an asshole."
i'd trade BP straight up for PIT 2B Neil Walker
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
Sure
Now all you have to do is convince the Rats.
Good luck.
"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"
exactly. Neil Huntington is no genius, but I'm pretty sure he'd laugh in Walt's face if that trade was proposed.
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Really?
I mean, it’s not like BeeP is the best thing ever, but Walker is lame city.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 4, 2011 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
Not really.
He had a better offensive season last year than BP, he’s a player with a strong pedigree, and he’s entering his prime rather than leaving it.
I agree that BP is a clearly better player right now (mostly because of defense) but Walker has 5 years of team control left.
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by nycredsfan on Feb 4, 2011 7:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What pedigree?
His career minor-league OPS is only .763. I know he’s been known as a good prospect in the past, but that’s merely decent considering his weak glove.
His performance last year is about as good as one can ever expect from him. I think it’s unlikely he’ll get much better, if at all. Which would be fine, but he’s also probably at least 10 runs worse than BP with the glove, maybe even as much as 20. He’s probably more of a weak-hitting LF than a good-hitting 2B.
If it were a straight-up trade, the difference in service time certainly evens things out, but in a one-to-one comparison he’s nowhere close to the player BP is.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 4, 2011 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
Well, by 'pedigree' I was mainly referring to the fact that he was always a top 50-75 prospect
That career OPS is a bit misleading because of all the partial seasons where he got promoted for a month and struggled. He did well as a 21 yo in AA and as a 23 yo in AAA.
I think offensively he’s very comparable to BP, and will likely surpass him over the next couple of years. Defensively he’s worse, but that gap will shrink over the next couple of
years.
I really think we’re going to see an ugly aging curve from Brandon. I just hop he holds off until 2013
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by nycredsfan on Feb 5, 2011 8:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Wait...
You’re going to rely more upon smaller sample sizes than large ones?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 5, 2011 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
no, but if you look at his minor league numbers
he has an extensive history of getting late season promotions and absolutely sucking in them in about 50-70 PAs. Those times of limited suck really depress his total numbers.
Also, his last 580 PAs in AAA he hit .282/.351/.506. Given all that, I think the entire milb OPS is a bit misleading.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
All right
I’ll grant you that. Still, I doubt he’ll ever be significantly better than BP with the bat. At least, not better enough to bridge the huge gap in defensive ability.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 5, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
I'll take that bet. Once again, we're talking about one guy entering his prime and another leaving it.
Like I said, on the whole I think BP will be a better player over the next couple years, but Walker will be $11 million cheaper. I’d do the deal in a second.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
I think we might be having two different conversations here
In one, I’m arguing that Walker doesn’t have the upside to ever match BP’s career. In the other, you are arguing that all things considered, Walker will have more value in the coming years than BP.
I think I win the 1st one easy, but you win the second one. But not as much as I win the first one :)
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 5, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed on both points
But since the discussion was over whether a straight up trade would be fair, I win :-)
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Wrong
The discussion was about whether or not you’re an idiot. So I totally win.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 5, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
That's no discussion
I’m definitely an idiot. But tomorrow I could be smarter, and you’ll still be ugly.
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That's not what your mom said, last night
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 5, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
You have a thing for 65 year olds?
that makes perfect sense, actually.
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I like Neil Walker
but I suspect the Pirates like him more.
The fans fell in love with him, and since they’ve lost all their other big name players, I think they’ll want to keep Walker. First round draft pick, plus he’s a Pittsburgh boy.
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I really want him to get traded to TEX
so he can be Neil Walker, Texas Ranger
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by UncleWeez on Feb 5, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
he can't field
sooo that’s sort of unintersting to me.
"College actually kind of beat that out of me, making me more, well, of an asshole."
Me?
If Frazier progresses even a bit, I’d like the Reds to stick him at 2B and use BP’s money at SS or LF, where I think an additional $11-12M would do more good for the team.
But really, I think it’s way too early to give it alot of thought. By the All-Star break, the Reds will have much better idea if there’s a viable in-house candidate and if they think BP will be worth the money going forward.
"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"
This.
That’s what I’ve wanted for awhile. I think Frazier’s bat would play there, but about that glove…
Calmer than you are.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Feb 9, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think Frazier is gonna be a starting infielder
Just doesn’t have the glove for it.
Either he learns to hit well enough to be a corner OFer, or he’s a utility guy.
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I think your forgetting two players
Cozart and valaika. They could be potential replacements, if valaikas power comes back he could really be quite valuable. Cozart wouldnt be a downgrade defensively from phillips, and still has some potential with the bat
"strikeouts are a lot sexier than groundouts"
Janish can play 2nd too
But he also does not have the bat to play at a currently premium offensive position. I think Vailakia is a poor man’s Uggla.
"Never fight a land war in Asia"
I think Valaika's bat is a little better than Janish's
However, his glove is worse.
If Valaika can be Uggla, I’d take it.
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I forgot Valaika, honestly
but I think he’s a tick above Negron. I wouldn’t want to rely on him.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 4, 2011 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
Valaika doesn't resemble Uggla in the least
although Uggla did have a strange development path in the minors, I still can’t see any way he ever even approaches Uggla’s production.
I guess I just ment a 2nd basement with power
And not that great defense.
"Never fight a land war in Asia"
Where is this power you speak of?
Valaika has shown absolutely no power since 2008.
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by nycredsfan on Feb 5, 2011 8:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Isnt valaika a decent defensive second baseman?
I mean he will never be a brandon phillips, but he is certainly better than uggla
"strikeouts are a lot sexier than groundouts"
The Super Bowl
Looks like it’s turning into a super mess.
They had rolling blackouts in Texas; because of the unusually cold temps, there wasn’t enough natural gas/electricity. The stadium was exempt, but the hotels where fans were staying weren’t.
Now ice has fallen off the roof, injuring people. And so many flights are canceled people might not be able to get there in time.
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Cue another 500 journalists bitching about that in their articles tommorrow
"Those fellas make some good points," Baker said. "They're profane as hell, and they're probably gay, but they make some good points."
Dusty Baker on RR
This is all very agreeable to me
I have come to hate the NFL something fierce this season.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 4, 2011 11:56 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Was it because of the concussion debacle?
Not their finest moment.
"Those fellas make some good points," Baker said. "They're profane as hell, and they're probably gay, but they make some good points."
Dusty Baker on RR
That
and the Jay Cutler thing. And the general awfulness of the Bengals and Browns. And the fact that I’m becoming increasingly more aware that football is not baseball.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 5, 2011 12:20 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I used to be a bigger football fan before the baseball blogosphere sucked me in
Part of my losing interest in football was the fading glory of the Favre years, but even this year I’m happy but not ecstatic that Green Bay is back in the super bowl. There’s just a lot about football that turns me off. Mostly listening to others talk about it.
by ken on Feb 5, 2011 12:23 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yep
I’m prayin’ like hell for a lock out.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 5, 2011 12:30 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
One of the biggest football fans in the world.
College Football.
"Me carrying a briefcase is like a hot dog wearing earrings." ~ Sparky Anderson
by BigBabyBruce on Feb 5, 2011 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
Eh
I’m even getting bored with that. 90% of the games are totally unwatchable. Why should I care to watch OSU beat up on Kent State?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 5, 2011 12:36 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think the storylines are more interesting
Cammy Cam and the bribes were fascinating, the Oregon death machine was fun to hear about, and the back-stabbing and bitching of old men is fun to watch.
"College actually kind of beat that out of me, making me more, well, of an asshole."
I get all that watching the Kardashians
plus all that ass.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 7, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
that would be pretty sweet actually
I want to see baseball get more of the national limelight that they haven’t regained since 1994, and the NFL shooting themselves in the foot will certainly help
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 5, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
I completely agree
I’ve come to really despise the NFL. The overmarketing and the fact that ESPN just shoves football down my throat 24/7/365 has become too much. The NFL has become more of a soap opera than a professional sports league. It’s more about who tweeted what or what players are saying about one another or who’s holding out for the longest during training camp. I like the sport mostly, just not everything that surrounds it. I really hope they lock out.
Consume excrement and expire......
by adaircam4 on Feb 5, 2011 1:11 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I think losing a season to a strike would knock them down a peg or two
"I can’t imagine playing anywhere else. I enjoy myself. I can’t imagine being with a better team."
-Joey Votto
comparing notes
Baseball and hockey both recovered and flourished after labor issues that we all thought would kill them. Hell, the NHL didn’t even play at all one year and came back strong, thanks to some smart execs and front offices.
The NFL would doubtless do the same. There are a few currently weak teams in the NFL, but there aren’t any truly desperate franchises.
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I wouldn't exactly say that the NHL has recovered.
They are still relegated to Versus.
I was just saying Justin is off base in thinking the NFL would miss a season due to a strike. If there is any game time missed it will be because of a lockout.
never good when your league is on the same network as the Tour de France
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 6, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
OK, it's not the greatest sport
but the NHL was in worse shape before the lockout than it is now. There were some very serious problems in some cities before that. They haven’t gotten a great fan base as a result but globally, hockey is still pretty popular. Maybe, yeah, on a par with bad soccer.
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even the English Premiere League is on the Deuce...
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
and YES
I can watch all the futbol I want on ESPN2 or YES up here
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 6, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
Is it in English?
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where did i say they would lose a season?
i said that if they do, it would knock them down a peg or two.
"I can’t imagine playing anywhere else. I enjoy myself. I can’t imagine being with a better team."
-Joey Votto
interesting
the owners want to back up and retreat from their last CBA. aint that the one Bills owner and Mikey Brown voted against….and took heat for doing so?
read the details on that deal. the owners cut a deal with the devil and now want to backtrack. meh, that aint the way professional sports work Einsteins. I’m actually on the players side on this spat.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
I used to like NFL
until they decided to have Hick, Schmick and Redneck in the booth or in the halftime show, saying “yee haw look at that 5-point spread, nickel back up-around-the-fringe fade back 4-deep. ’At’n’s sumpin else, ya’ll.”
And the obligatory former defensive safety saying, “yeah, he’s one of the best in the business, cooler’n the underside of your pillow.”
Like, just s.t.f.u.
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by johnu1 on Feb 5, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
A recent poll says Football is twice as popular as baseball in the united states
The NFL had something like 8 of the 10 highest rated shows on TV last year.
The NFL is a great league with great marketing & great fan support. The product is more exciting than baseball & is more appealing to the average fan. It’s also something you can build your week around because it doesn’t happen every day.
Another plus for the NFL is that they haven’t had Bud Selig as their commissioner for 20 years. I’m surprised to see all the NFL hate on here. There will not be a lockout & the NFL will continue to rule sports in the US for the next several years.
I love football
They’ve done a lot of things right.
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See, I think the once a week thing is one of the huge negatives
Because football is now a sport that gets talked about 1000x more than actually played. And the main reason the sport is so popular is that this country worships violence. With the timeouts, challenges, and commercials, I find it to be slower paced than baseball.
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by nycredsfan on Feb 5, 2011 9:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
There's something like 11 minutes of total football action
In a 3+ hour broadcast.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 5, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
how many football games have you paid to attend in last five years?
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
And this is
primarily because the Bengals have bottomed out more times than Charlie Sheen and I like football better on television.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
zero for me too
Tix Too pricy and too shitty a team to freeze my ass off at pbs….
This from the kid that happily dropped eighty bucks on wrigley bleacher seats last aug.
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
by Ewok on Feb 5, 2011 9:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Oh, see
I understand that it’s extremely popular. That doesn’t change the fact that it sucks. I agree with adaircam4 above when he/she said “I like the sport mostly, just not everything that surrounds it.” The production is so melodramatic. Everything is dripping with purple prose. I can’t believe something so violent (which is good) could be presented so treacly.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 5, 2011 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
you like homosexual tension presented heterosexually?
hate people with tans? then boy, its right for you.
"College actually kind of beat that out of me, making me more, well, of an asshole."
I had grown more fond of Football (NFL)
because the playing field is more equitable. Small and Large market teams spend roughly the same amounts of money. Baseball still bothers me beacuase of the unfair advantage large market teams have over the smaller market teams.
Having said that, I love baseball as a sport and the Reds no matter what.
"When you chart (the plays) and see where it broke down there was no common theme to it." - Bob Bratkowski
that is definitely one of the things the NFL does right
I hope they don’t screw that up.
I started out a football fan, and learned to love baseball relatively recently. (There’s nothing like a convert!) But I still enjoy football. It’s exciting in a way baseball isn’t.
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The flip side to that parity
is that teams rarely stay good for long. I mean, people are talking about the Steelers as a dynasty and they miss the playoffs every other year. Some people like that, but I hate the fact that you really have no idea if your team is going to be any good or not from year to year.
Part of that is injuries (like the Colts this year) but part of it is just that no one stays good for very long. That drives me crazy.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
yeah
It’s nice to be a dynasty. :-)
Though it’s free agency that I find more off-putting. Players move around so much it’s hard to get to know them these days. Baseball’s been affected, too, but it seems much worse in football.
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but
in MLB Green Bay or Buffalo wouldn’t even be viable franchise.
"I can’t imagine playing anywhere else. I enjoy myself. I can’t imagine being with a better team."
-Joey Votto
Ya I dun get all this NFL hate on here
I guess I can understand with the Bengals being so epically incompetent why some here might be turned off. But in terms of how the leagues are run—NFL is far superior. The revenue sharing and the imbalance in baseballs is a joke. Look at the Toronto Blue Jays and the Baltimore Orioles for a great example of the damage this can cause.
I disagree with others that there isn’t much longevity to good teams either. One factor is definitely shorter career spans for NFL players. But the Colts and Patriots have been dominant for a very long time. And is anybody actually enchanted by the NYY’s current “dynasty”?
It's not the dynasties or the parity that bother me
It’s the culture. The whole bud light-under armor-Chris Berman-celebrate every tackle-I’m a tough guy and I play through the pain-macho shit head-mentality that really turns me off.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 5, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Yes, this. I mean, that attitude is present in all sports to some degree, but in football it's to a silly degree
also, it’s not so much that the league is run better, but it’s more that the NFL player’s union is easily the worst in pro sports. If you want to talk about a joke, how about the fact that there is almost no guaranteed money in contracts, and the union basically forgets about it’s players once they leave the league. Imagine if that NYY dynasty could just cut ARod right now without owing him a penny, or if they could just cut Jeter next offseason. Now imagine that injuries are twice as common in baseball. It would completely change and, IMO, ruin, the nature of team-building in the MLB.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
by nycredsfan on Feb 5, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This is what I hate.
Throw in a serious steroids problem and you pretty much have the Roman gladiators. That’s what really bugs me.
"there no countrey called west xylophone" Youtube
I have become tired of players mugging for the camera after every play.
Someone is always pretending to rip their shirt off Hulkamaniac style, or playing air guitar, or hammering imaginary nails into the ground.
Watch it, ass blood.
non-guaranteed contracts, replays replays replays also
"College actually kind of beat that out of me, making me more, well, of an asshole."
I think the NFL is much easier to run, from management's standpoint
National TV deals made much more sense for football. It’s only played once a week, and baseball is a much more of a local sport. You see a lot more fans of out of town teams in football than baseball. The upshot is owners don’t have to worry about negotiating their own TV deals and know that they’ll get the same share as their competitors.
They’ve also dealt with a historically docile player’s union. It makes it much easier to run a team if you don’t have to worry about guaranteed contracts and can use the franchise tag to retain guys without breaking the bank.
by ken on Feb 5, 2011 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
I love football
College Football is 10x greater than the NFL.
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71
It's a damn travesty we haven't dealt Votto yet
Hopefully Bruce will have a .300/40/120 season, so we can trade him to.
you are being sarcastic
but i really think that if votto isn’t open to an extension after the 2011 season it will be time to trade him.
nah
let him walk and get a late first round draft pick from the contending team that signs him
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
Maybe after 2012
Depending on how the team is doing. But I don’t have any problem with rolling the dice these next three years and then giving Votto a going-away party.
by ken on Feb 5, 2011 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
the haul for votto after next year could be enormous.
it could be enough to set us up for success in the future.
holding on to votto too long is the most dangerous thing the reds can do.
tHan I gotta disagree
you don’t trade one of the best players in MLB, while your team is competitive, and while he is under contract for multiple years, just in order to gamble on players you receive being good in the future. That would be foolish. Especially if there’s a chance you could extend that awesome player.
he said after next year
Votto would no longer be under contract for multiple years then. He’d be in the last year of the contract.
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what I have learned
is if you look too far into the future, you get old and miss what’s happening now.
Votto and the Reds will be a fun team to watch this year and next. After that, they will do like all teams do: they will re-tool and reload.
Using current talent to evaluate future talent is fun to discuss.
I want to see this highly motivated team continue to play competitive baseball. If they fall to 5th place again, we shall see how highly competitive they play as a team.
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by johnu1 on Feb 6, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No, after next year he'd have two years left
since we just signed a 3-year deal. Actually, depending on how you read it, you could be right. I read it as shopping him after this coming season. After 2012, I agree we should be open to the possibility of shopping him.
they would be fools not to
what if they can get a 3 way trade that includes Hanley and Heyward?
"I can’t imagine playing anywhere else. I enjoy myself. I can’t imagine being with a better team."
-Joey Votto
the Reds have a penchant for hanging onto guys for too long
again, not that I want to see the Reds get rid of Votto, but just buying out his Arbitration years tells me that the Reds can’t afford him post Arbitration years and Jo-eh knows it.
the haul could be e-freaking-normous and we need to entertain that
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 6, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
Puzzled on this one ...
HLM, you argued last week that the Reds were hasty in unloading Josh Hamilton. Now you are saying the team hangs onto players too long. I can’t see where we can prove that in recent seasons, at least the Dusty years.
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Josh Hamilton was dealt when he was under team control for something like 5 years.
that’s a big difference from the time we’ll have Votto. Hold on to him too long & all you get is Micah Owings.
I don't get it on Votto
This is a 27-year-old lefthanded hitting first baseman. He can play at a level above the norm for another 10 years, easy.
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this is all contingent on him not being interested in an extension
if he’s not signing with us long term, it doesn’t matter how good he’s going to be the next 10 years.
and we really can't go into his last year of bought out arbitration to then move him
unfortunately if we haven’t extended him by trade deadline 2012, that might be the last we’ve seen of Jo-eh in a Reds uni
we can’t just let talent like that walk and get nothing in return
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 6, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
exactly
you can’t let your team fall off a cliff, when you can do something to try & prepare for a future without Votto.
If Votto goes, he goes ...
My point generally is that the team will have changed anyway and Votto’s contributions will be different. If the Reds know that he won’t be here in 3 years, I would think they wouldn’t wait until the barn door is open to catch another horse.
But obviously we can’t trade him this week just because we aren’t sure what will happen in 2015.
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I mean I hate to talk about it
but, he signed an extension that bought out just his arbitration years
it’s not like we have him for anything more than that, which say to me that we either literally bought ourselves an extension to work out a FA deal, or we bought ourselves a window to shop him between now and trade deadline 2012. No team in their right mind would trade for him as a rental in 2013.
hopefully this team remains legit and we can creep towards the $100 MM payroll mark little by little, which means we’ll be able to afford him
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 6, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
true
but its the NYY who will be able to afford the last 7 of those 10 years…
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
well, yeah
If Votto wants out, I hope he says so in plenty of time so we can retool that position. If he’s worth keeping, we ought to make that effort. If NYY is where he wants to go, I’d say … see ya, we will find somebody else.
He hasn’t said that, I think.
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i dont think he'll wind up in NY
but I can see SF. Denver. Anaheim. STL. maybe a few others. non-big market ballclubs that will pay market prices for his wares.
just a hunch, but I think Joey understands market valuation very well and will want to make big coin when he’s a FA. Especially considering he will probably feel obligated to set his two siblings up for life.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
I would like to believe
that if the Reds can put together a few winning seasons, we can have a payroll equal to St. Louis.
"I can’t imagine playing anywhere else. I enjoy myself. I can’t imagine being with a better team."
-Joey Votto
good point
its not like there are any winning sports teams in town to compete against for the sports entertainment dollar…
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
And the market size of Cincinnati and St. Louis is comparable
"I can’t imagine playing anywhere else. I enjoy myself. I can’t imagine being with a better team."
-Joey Votto
if that's the case, then all of a sudden we actually need Alonso
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 6, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
It might be time to teach Alonzo to play ball
He has to be ready to sniff the roses by now.
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oh fuck
i am agreeing with OBC and Highlifeman.
"I can’t imagine playing anywhere else. I enjoy myself. I can’t imagine being with a better team."
-Joey Votto
Highlifeman, that should be enough to make you change your opinion.
by 'tHan on Feb 6, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
what do you guys think about Abuelo's?
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
'tHan says it's shitty
so I believe him
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 6, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
but he was agreeing with me
so I’m strangely ok with that
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 6, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
we moved Hamilton after one season, and had him under control for at least 4 more seasons
we basically have a 3 year window to move Votto beginning Opening Day 2011 to try and maximize the haul
we’ve held onto Phillips for way too long, much like we held onto Condom Arm for way too long
we did the same thing with Dunn, sadly, since we didn’t keep him long term and didn’t trade him during his arbitration years
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 6, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
I still don't get it
We are supposed to trade off our top talent while we can get somebody in return who is not quite as good but is almost ready to be as good.
If we had traded Phillips 2 years ago to get some other kid, we’d be ready to trade him too. I guess I get it on team upgrades, but at some point, you have to say mature talent is what you have.
Meat market baseball … nice for fantasy players. The fans learn to like certain guys.
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i don't want us to trade off our top talent
but being not a big market we can’t afford all of our talent, so we have to make decisions
younger players get older and more expensive, and that’s when you have to make those decisions as to who you keep and who you trade
I think we made the wrong decision on Phillips, especially with him making $11MM this year, with a $12MM option next year
Unless the Reds continue to find ways to increase their payroll, they’ll always have these decisions. I don’t want the Reds to trade away top talent, but top talent is a way to re-stock. It’s not like you’re going to trade spare parts and think someone will give you something of value, right?
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 6, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
the deal on BP, I think
was that decisions reached a couple of years ago were made because the team was really not headed in any particular direction.
Even in March last year, we were all figuring .500 was an OK goal.
So we had BP, a curious phenomenon in right field, a great first baseman and some other ideas. But to say we made a mistake on BP is kinda sorta not fair. That was where the team WAS at that time.
We are seeing it through a different window now and we’d have made a different decision had we known this team would come to life like it did.
The Reds are making different kinds of contract deals now than they did in the end of the Krivsky era.
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All of the contracts the reds have done this offseason have provided cost certainty
that makes all of those players easier to trade.
thank gawd the ballclub didnt sign janish long term this offseason
he’ll definitely be harded to trade. life is good!
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
I diasgree on Dunn and Phillips
There’s been no replacement for Phillips especially, and his contract is not in any way an albatross, and his production is still good. If we extend him at his current price, then that’s possibly a different story, but the team is better with him than without him, and we’re contending.
With Dunn, it may have been better to hang on to him and get draft picks than what we actually got. Either that, or trade him earlier than we did, but who knows what the return might have been, then. Or perhaps the best option would have been to wait him out and pay him $10 million for last year as a FA rather than the Gomes/Nix/Dickerson trifecta of the past few seasons.
In any case we aren’t the Rays – we don’t have to trade every FA with a year of control left. We have a higher payroll and a much worse farm system for replacing those types with.
BP was never a guy you'd build around
Votto and Bruce, they’re different
since you mentioned Votto, it really wouldn’t surprise me if we dealt him before the end of his latest deal if we don’t extend him. I don’t want to see that, but it wouldn’t surprise me
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 5, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
So if a player isn't a cornerstone of a franchise, he's not worth having around?
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
not if he's expensive, no
especially on a team notorious for budget constraints
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 5, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Why replace BP
He’s a a really talented fielder and a decent hitter…who do you want instead Chris Valiaka?
Fred Lewis and EdRent together are not worth One Laynce Nix
BP has been one of my favorite players
ever since the Reds basically stole him from the Indians, but I’m really excited to see what Hamilton can do the the ML level. Picking up the option on BP is a good idea while Hamilton develops, but I’m afraid BP’s value has topped out. His defense is stellar, but his speed has declined. We’ll see how it works out, but I don’t see BP with the Reds for much longer.
Consume excrement and expire......
WTH ... Leyritz?
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Can you think of a more perfect city for him than Newark though?
Match made in heaven somewhere trashy
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
but the road trips are nice
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I hope he's learned his lesson
‘cause I doubt they’ll be as lenient with him in NJ as they were in Florida.
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yeah
The other driver was intoxicated as well, and his lawyers were able to convince the jury that maybe she was the one who went through a red light.
In many ways, it reminded me of the Nick Adenhart case. The girl who was driving his car was intoxicated as well (not to mention too young to drink). But in that case, the driver who hit them got 51 years, and won’t be eligible for parole until he’s served 49.
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That whole DUI case
was a scenario from Lawyers in Love. Leyritz was as guilty as was the person he killed. Had it gone the other way, meaning had Leyritz died, one wonders if her attorney could have been so good at reality management.
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Vlad to the Orioles for 1 year/8M
Good or bad deal for them? Sounds like they plan to use him as a clean-up guy.
"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428
can't believe Vlad got $8MM and Manny got $2MM
I don’t think “character” is worth $6MM
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
by UncleWeez on Feb 5, 2011 6:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think it might be in this case
Manny’s not just a Gary Sheffield type, always griping about his contract. And it’s more than not running out groundballs (though he was clocked 8 seconds, home to 1B).
He gives up when his team falls behind. Who needs that? You want your cleanup hitter to pick the team up, not drag them down.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
the whole PEDS thing may have affected Manny's deal
@AroldisChapman.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Feb 6, 2011 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
why would it?
if he doesn’t get suspended it doesn’t matter, if he is suspended they don’t pay him anyway. In fact a player with a PED problem is less of a risk than a player with an injury problem, because you have to pay him for his time off with injuries.
"I can’t imagine playing anywhere else. I enjoy myself. I can’t imagine being with a better team."
-Joey Votto
by justin007000 on Feb 6, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
maybe they're afraid
He sucks without PEDs.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
a Conversation Hearts prankster
A 12-year-old girl found a candy heart that said, “Nice tits.”
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Prankster?
I find that to be a legitimate pick-up line.
"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428
you're 14
You don’t even pick your socks yet!
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Yes he does.
How do you think he earned that-there internet handle.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
He doesn't use virgin olive oil on his sexsalad, that's for sure
"Those fellas make some good points," Baker said. "They're profane as hell, and they're probably gay, but they make some good points."
Dusty Baker on RR
If anyone makes any reference to "cherries," I might just have to kill them.
Either that or high five them. I haven’t decided.
"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428
You know what would make a great garnish for a sexsalad?
If you pop in your cherry tomatoes.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 5, 2011 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
You have to hold the ranch dressing though
If you put it on too soon it will ruin everything.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 5, 2011 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
Good Gravy
I don't generally like running. I believe in training by rising gently up and down from the bench. - Satchel Paige
Haha, yeah. And don't even think about adding croutons!
/you’re doing it wrong’d
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
by nycredsfan on Feb 6, 2011 9:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I CANNOT believe Fay wrote an article about the Reds getting rid of Phillips!
That is like, such a shocker, I mean Fay fantasy. Any news of whether Fay is chipping on moving expenses? Apparently, John’s axe continues to require sharpening.
I had a friend who used to say what the use is a grudge unless you are gonna carry it. I’m wondering if he and Fay have the same mentors
well, look around the roster
It’s clear that the only guy you can truly “pick on” is BP. I don’t think anybody in the Hot Stove League would get excited if we said Gomes or Janish was being peddled.
BP was the only logical choice for trade talk. It’s more of the Fya being caught up in having to write something than actually giving a damn if he’s right about it.
Map Quest really needs to start their directions on # 5. I'm pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
Keith Urban is on the NFL pregame show
he should tour with Toby Keith!
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
he looks like he's been at jch's gym
tanned and toned!
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
do you know tricia macke's middle name?
i know her mother’s maiden name!
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
wow , you can hack her facebook account now
Map Quest really needs to start their directions on # 5. I'm pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
by johnu1 on Feb 6, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
This hasn't gotten enough love, well done John
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
Extend a speedy, strong defensive 2B at 30 or 31?!?!? No way!
BP will turn 30 this June and 31 next June. Any extension will be for too many years and/or too many dollars per year for a player that will all too soon be on the downside of his career. Pick up the option for 2012, then hope a prospect can step up or sign someone off the scrap heap for a million or so. Absolute production might not be the same, but production per dollar might be the same or better.

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