Scouting Reds Pitchers: Edinson Volquez
I ordered mlb.tv this year, which means that for the first time since 1996, I will have the access to watch (by my wife's reckoning) an absurd number of Reds games. One of the things I'd like to do with that subscription is to learn a bit more about pitchers and pitches. So, I thought it would be fun to do a small "scouting" breakdown series on important Reds pitchers, based on pitchf/x information (all garnered from TexasLeaguers and Joe Lefkowitz's PitchF/X Tool, which are wonderful resources).
Today, I'll begin with the Opening Day starter, Edinson Volquez. I'm going to focus on starts from September/October 2011 for graphs to reduce the "clusterfudge of dots" issue, but will go with full-year stats to describe pitch outcomes.
Also, one quick note... I highly recommend reading John Walsh's pitch identification tutorial for help interpreting and understanding the graphs below. It's old, but still one of the best ways to get up to speed. It's worth the time. If you haven't already gotten into it, pitchf/x can open a whole new world when it comes to understanding pitchers.
Edinson Volquez
Pitches
In the upper left are Volquez's four-seam and two-seam fastballs (i.e. his sinker). He also has an excellent change-up that he uses often, which you can see in the cloud to the lower-left. His curve ball is in the lower right. In 2008 he was also using a slider, but there's only one instance of a pitch classified as that by pitchf/x in 2010--and I think it was probably just a change-up. I don't see any indication of mis-classified sliders in this plot either, so I think he (at least for 2010) scrapped it.
Velocity
Volquez's fastballs range into the upper-90's, even post-surgery, and average 93 mph. His change-up averages 82 mph, however, which is a 12 mph difference. A lot of pitchers only have 6-8 mph difference between those pitches, and that difference is part of what makes his change so effective. His curve arrives in the upper 70's.
Outcomes
| Pitch | Use% | Strike% | GB% | Whiff% | LgWhiff% |
| Four Seamer | 38% | 60% | 42% | 10% | 6% |
| Sinker | 19% | 60% | 58% | 8% | 5% |
| Change | 24% | 60% | 50% | 24% | 13% |
| Curve | 19% | 59% | 68% | 12% | 12% |
Overall, Volquez throws about 60% fastballs (favoring the four-seamer over the sinker 2:1), along with a substantial number of change-ups and curves, and last year he got them all over at the same frequency. His sinker and especially his curve induce a lot of ground balls, which helped him post a fine 54% GB% last season.
The big key, however, is that he gets lots of whiffs on his pitches. All except his curve have above-average swing-and-miss %'s, and his change-up is particularly amazing (almost double the typical whiff rate of the other pitches). And that curve is substantially improved, up from 7% in 2008.
Approach
| vs. RHB | Opening Pitch | Two Strikes | Full Count | Behind |
| Four Seamer | 40% | 19% | 46% | 67% |
| Sinker | 22% | 12% | 11% | 33% |
| Curve | 31% | 33% | 14% | |
| Change | 6% | 37% | 29% |
First time I've done this table, so here's a glossary: opening pitch is what he throws in 0-0 counts. "Two Strikes" are 0-2 or 1-2 counts (I'm just averaging), whereas Full Count is (obviously) a 3-2 count. Behind is 3-0 counts only. I'm ignoring the others for simplicity.
Against righties, Volquez favors starting with a fastball or his curve. His curve was much better last year compared to 2008 based on whiff %, shooting from 6% to 11% (11% is about league average, so maybe it's a "50" pitch at this point?).
Once he gets two strikes on a righty, he brings in his change-up. It got an absurd 23% whiff % last year (league average is 13% for change-ups), and is clearly his out pitch. I haven't checked, but I'd guess that his frequent use of the curve ball in two-strike counts is as a pitch that he tries to use to get them to chase a ball low and out of the zone and either ground-out or strike out. In a full count, Volqeuz backs away from the curve (too hittable?) and instead uses primarily fastballs or his change-up. If he absolutely has to throw a strike, he throws one of his fastballs.
| vs. LHB | Opening Pitch | Two Strikes | Full Count | Behind |
| Four Seamer | 48% | 34% | 39% | 43% |
| Sinker | 16% | 13% | 17% | 50% |
| Curve | 16% | 21% | 14% | |
| Change | 21% | 33% | 31% | 7% |
There's a different story against lefties. He debuts with the fastball most often, but uses his curve far less in favor of his change-up. The change-up has been recognized increasingly among sabermetric circles (and probably for far longer in scouting/pitching circles) as a pitch that is effective against opposite-handed batters. And Volquez seems to use it in that fashion, as is a major part of his arsenal against lefties regardless of the count. Once he does get two strikes on lefty batters, he increases his use of the change-up even more--really, it looks like a similar approach to how he deals with righties from that point on.
Thoughts? Suggestions? Corrections? I'm pretty green to this whole "scouting" thing, but I'm having a good time playing with this stuff.
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mmmmm clusterfudge

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by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 25, 2011 11:18 AM EST reply actions
You know why so many people swing and miss at his changeup?
Stretchy Bands

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Look at that fivehead!
Edinson would make a great Klingon.
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Feb 25, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
This is awesome! Thanks!
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Feb 25, 2011 11:41 AM EST reply actions
Yet another dumb question....
Yes I know, nobody ever answers them…
When they measure speed for a pitch, are they talking gun speed or time from release to plate?
I ask because a curveball actually travels further than a fastball, due to the horizontal movement. If two pitchers released at exactly the same time with exactly the same gun speed, the one throwing the fastball would hit the catcher’s mitt before the oner throwing the curveball.
I just thought it was interesting just how slow his curve is. It must have a heck of a lot of movement to not get knocked out of the park.
It's gun speed
They measure at the start (50 ft from home plate) and at the end of the pitch. Typically the number that is reported is the start speed as that’s the number most people are familiar with. The pitch is much slower once it gets to the plate.
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Right, I'm reporting ball-out-of-hand speed.
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by nycredsfan on Feb 25, 2011 4:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Suggestion
I don’t know how much difference it would make, but maybe add 2-0 counts to the approach tables. Could tell as a little more about what a pitcher throws when he feels like he has to throw a strike. Likely to be more interesting for someone like Arroyo, Wood, or Leake than the hard throwers though.
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Ok, fair enough
I was avoiding it because I just figured everyone would just throw their fastballs. But it’s no work to add it. Just trying to hone down on the info that’s most interesting/valuable, rather than give everything.
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I added it.
I opted to do 3-0 counts, because the main thing I wanted to see what guys throw when another ball is not an option. In spot-checking, it generally seems to just be a more extreme version of the 2-0 count.
-j
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No point as far as I see
If the question is what they throw when they need a strike, 3-0 tells us that.
Besides, wait until you see what Arroyo does on 3-0. :)
-j
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FWIW
I picked 2-0 instead of 3-0 because I figured there were some times when a pitcher will just give up the walk on 3-0 rather than risk something bigger. My logic was at 2-0, they may be more likely to fight for the at bat. Either way, no biggie.
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It's interesting to call a pitch a sinker if it actually has positive vertical spin deflection.
Also, I kinda wish that Volquez would not have scrapped the slider – power pitchers usually get good results from it. Perhaps he had to because of the surgery.
This is confusing
because usually the curve is the hardest on the arm, no?
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Not necessarily
There was a study that came out recently in the medical literature showing that fastballs put more strain on arms than curve balls. The story about curve balls causing damage isn’t well supported, from what I’ve seen.
Screwballs, on the other hand…
-j
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Steve Stone said the decision to throw more curveballs won him a cy young and shortened his career
for whatever it is worse, probably nothing.
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by justin007000 on Feb 25, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
Still worked out better
Than when Ron Santo changed his soccer approach.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 27, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Comment of the year.
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by justin007000 on Feb 27, 2011 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
Slider is much harder on the elbow
than a curve. And since TJS is an elbow issue, it makes sense.
A pitcher can’t drop the fastball though, unless he’s reinventing himself as a knuckleballer.
There are different kinds of sliders, though, right?
Some require a snap of the wrist, while others do not. Or so says the Neyer/James guide to pitchers.
I’d expect if there’s no snap to the wrist, it couldn’t be any worse than throwing a fastball. Unless it requires one to turn the arm in some odd direction. I really don’t know.
-j
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All I know about sliders is that you kind of angle your wrist down when throwing it
which allows it to get more side-spin when thrown, or at least thats the traditional way of throwing it from what I’ve read.
I remember seeing a fantastic picture of this somewhere recently, but don’t remember where.
All sinkers that I've seen have positive spin deflection.
They have less positive spin deflection than four-seam fastballs, so they don’t “rise” as much. By comparison, the sinkers drop more than expected, and so you swing a bit over them.
As for the slider, let’s watch during spring training. Maybe he’ll use it again this year.
-j
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It seems to me that if a pitcher goes to a 3/4 arm slot
or even a little lower than that, he could eliminate positive spin deflection on the fastball. I doubt Randy Johnson had “rise” on his fastball for example, other than by virtue of throwing so darned hard I mean.
This should be an interesting series though. I look forward to the others (though I have a feeling I will be underwhelmed by Cueto’s charts…)
Cueto will appear on Monday
I’m done with it, but we need to have a build-up and all that.
But you’re right, side-armers or submariners can have negative spin deflection. I was talking more about the standard 3/4 or 12-6 guys. Here’s Ziegler’s:

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Is that CU a cutter?
because there is no way at all that a curveball should be positive on vertical spin. Oh wait, is he a submariner? Because then it would make some sense (though I would classify it a slider personally).
Curve.
He’s throwing it upside down, so it has positive spin deflection. :)
Yes, Brad Ziegler is a submariner. First that came to mind. :)
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That is a pretty insane chart, actually
at least in my rudimentary knowledge of pitch FX
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I remember reading a number of places that Volquez scrapped his slider due to the surgery
and instead developed a curve to take the pressure off his arm
Curve is not new.
But it is much improved, so maybe he has been working on it.
-j
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I could definitely see that
I remember reading he was committing to it as a new pitch, probably the writer(s) got that wrong. Surprise given our talented beat writers (/sarcasm).
Justin, stellar work as usual
Fascinating stuff. That change is filthy, and if he can keep up the improvement on the curve, the GB% stays solid, I think the Wagon can put together a nice little season for us.
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Here's hoping!
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Great work
One thing I’d be interested to see is some measure of the replicability of his pitching motion. Hitters still only have a roughly 1/3 chance to see the change in 2-strike counts, so they’re still guessing – and that deception must be working really well to mask the change in velocity Volquez features.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Feb 25, 2011 1:57 PM EST reply actions
If you have any idea on how to do that, let me know! :)
I can look at release points, but even those get screwy because they are measured a few feet from where the pitcher actually releases and so different pitch types always will tend to look like they have slightly different release points.
-j
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/Threadjack
Why the hell didn’t I think of this.
/CloseThreadjack
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by Farneyismycopilot on Feb 25, 2011 4:40 PM EST reply actions
Keep on spinning that chicken
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I don't do hitters. :)
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do bronson arroyo next!
He’s my co favorite starting pitcher!
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by Ewok on Feb 26, 2011 1:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I kind of picutre HLM21 to be the Marine from American Beauty (SPOILER ALERT)
and one day he is going to make a move on Bronson, and Bronson will say no, and he will cry.
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by justin007000 on Feb 26, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
How about Ricky Fitz?
Last time I saw a guy so intent on videotaping a bag, it was slapping against the backside of Raven Riley.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 27, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
/golfclap
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by Farneyismycopilot on Feb 27, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
Arroyo will run on Tuesday.
:)
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