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Yonder Alonso may get a real shot at LF this spring

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Ed note: With the lack of any original content this morning, this is as good as anything to talk about.

Word is he has been working out all off-season on his outfield defense. Apparently he has improved significantly and recognizes he is blocked.

When asked about a trade he became offended, saying he wants to remain in Cincinnati no matter what and that he has grown to enjoy the outfield.

Guess who he worked out with? none other than the enemy... Cardinal Jon Jay

He could be a significant improvement if his defense is AT LEAST as good(not that its good) as Gomes... What do you guys think?

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I love this team so much.

LF is one of the weakest positions and there are still 3 guys who are MLB-ready this year.

"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428

by sexsalad on Feb 17, 2011 10:05 PM EST reply actions  

I love Yonder

Can’t waste talent like that. Give him a shot, if he does as good as Gomes defensively then give him the spot

"We start wit straight--shots then get the bottle poppin!"

by OGC Reds on Feb 17, 2011 10:10 PM EST reply actions  

ex-fuckin-actly

"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin

by justin007000 on Feb 17, 2011 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Alonso would look soo good in this lineup

Im really excited to see if they actually give him a shot.

btw i apologize for the poor effort in writing up this fanpost. Between the book im writing, and my an essay i have to write for school im having a pretty good case of writers block

"strikeouts are a lot sexier than groundouts"

by smitty3 on Feb 17, 2011 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

What have I been telling you guys for 5 months?

The LF Platoon will be Yonder and Jonny

BTW – speaking of odd couplings…actually the more i think abut it maybe not so odd at all
The Family Circus (total comix drivel)combined with Frederik Nietzsche (arrogant German philosophical drivel)

I assess the power of a will by how much resistance, pain, torture it endures
and knows how to turn to its advantage.

Dr. Serizawa: "If my device can serve a good purpose, i would announce it to everyone in the world! But in its current form, it's just a weapon of horrible destruction. Please understand, Ogata!"
Hideto Ogata: "I understand. But if we don't use your device against Godzilla, what are we going to do?"

by Madville on Feb 17, 2011 11:24 PM EST reply actions  

Thief!

"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs

by jch24 on Feb 18, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I give all credit for being introduced the the Nietzsche Family Circus comix by jch24

But I could not help but use it in the above context.

Dr. Serizawa: "If my device can serve a good purpose, i would announce it to everyone in the world! But in its current form, it's just a weapon of horrible destruction. Please understand, Ogata!"
Hideto Ogata: "I understand. But if we don't use your device against Godzilla, what are we going to do?"

by Madville on Feb 19, 2011 1:14 AM EST up reply actions  

still funnier when it comes from you

only b/c I’ve seen you last in person

I’ve forgotten what that lanky fuck looks like

by Highlifeman21 on Feb 19, 2011 7:56 AM EST up reply actions  

thinner and tanner than you remember, probably

"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

by obc2 on Feb 19, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

And I've lost weight!

I might be the only person I know that loses weight when they don’t go to the gym. Down to 175 or so. I need a foodie challenge soon!

"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs

by jch24 on Feb 19, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow.....5 lbs. is a honkin' heap 'o meat

I might be able to pull that off though. The meat based challenges appeal to me more. Here’s the link BK was talking about, there are a couple I might try.

"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs

by jch24 on Feb 19, 2011 6:24 PM EST up reply actions  

/jch is raven riley'd

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Feb 19, 2011 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

it says

The Bardzilla is 6-1/3 pounds. 5 lbs. should be easy!

Maybe Ash should try the Hogzilla instead. She said she liked those bacon-wrapped hot dogs.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Feb 19, 2011 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

They upped the Bardzilla after I did it, from one pound of fries to two

I can say without a doubt that I couldn’t do it now.

"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs

by jch24 on Feb 19, 2011 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

another pound of fries?

Yikes. No way can little Ash handle the Bardzilla now.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Feb 19, 2011 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I could only put down 3 pounds

it’s 4.5 lbs of brisket with a loaf of ciabatta bread, and then 4 small sides.

1 hour

go

pretty sure the pictures are on my facebook

by Highlifeman21 on Feb 19, 2011 10:11 PM EST up reply actions  

you should do the By Golly's challenge so they name the burger after you

and that’s not the one at the link you posted

and you should do the Willie’s challenge

by Highlifeman21 on Feb 19, 2011 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

what is going to happen when your materialism stops?

you’ll be the fattest and most profane motherfucker on RR.

I have a friend who struggles to keep his weight up to 130, and he eats like a horse.

"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin

by justin007000 on Feb 19, 2011 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I weighed about 210 lbs stark ass naked just before I got divorced, so I've been a fatty (for me)

Here’s proof.

"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs

by jch24 on Feb 19, 2011 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

You know you wanna

"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs

by jch24 on Feb 19, 2011 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

blow me, fuckface

and flag it too, bitch.

I say this with love, of course.

"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin

by justin007000 on Feb 19, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

odds are they stick him in AAA to continue to get acclimated with LF

but I’m onboard with giving this a shot. I dont see him breaking camp with the team (though its possible) given Gomes/Lewis, but maybe by mid season we see him roaming left. I’ve been in the he’s a 1B-or-nothing group, but I’m fully willing to be wrong.

by pack_fan on Feb 17, 2011 11:42 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Not if he hits the ball well in ST.

If he starts raking…look out!

Dr. Serizawa: "If my device can serve a good purpose, i would announce it to everyone in the world! But in its current form, it's just a weapon of horrible destruction. Please understand, Ogata!"
Hideto Ogata: "I understand. But if we don't use your device against Godzilla, what are we going to do?"

by Madville on Feb 18, 2011 5:45 AM EST up reply actions  

ah, a fresh love

You’ll be able to come out of mourning for Lynebacker.

by ol Pete on Feb 18, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Lynx Nicks or whate3ver that guy's name was is now a distant memory

Yonds will Pound it in 2011

Dr. Serizawa: "If my device can serve a good purpose, i would announce it to everyone in the world! But in its current form, it's just a weapon of horrible destruction. Please understand, Ogata!"
Hideto Ogata: "I understand. But if we don't use your device against Godzilla, what are we going to do?"

by Madville on Feb 19, 2011 1:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Cherry Hudson, Jr starting CF for the Washington Gnats

"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

by obc2 on Feb 19, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Sorry, guys.

I might have a new favorite team…

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Feb 19, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

yeah

I think they’ll want him to play every day in Louisville, at least at the start of the season.

It will be interesting to see what they do with him in AAA. If he’s still playing 1B in Louisville this year, we’ll know the Reds’ assessment of his “improvement” doesn’t match his own.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Feb 18, 2011 6:23 AM EST up reply actions  

hmmm

Sounds to me like the “improvement,” so far, is all in his own mind.

Alonso, always and forever a first baseman until the Reds tried him in the outfield in the minors last year, with disastrous results, says everybody laughs when he tells them about his outfielder’s gloves, “And I laugh, too.”

And this:

“I kind of like it (the outfield),” he said. “It is good for myself and good for the team. It is going to help out eventually. I know I can do it. I was working all winter with Jon Jay, the outfielder for St. Louis, and Melky Cabrera, the Atlanta outfielder. Jay helped me out a lot. We took fly balls every day for like 2 ½ months in Miami.”

Note that he doesn’t say Melky Cabrera helped him. ;-)

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Feb 18, 2011 6:29 AM EST reply actions  

would you WANT Melky helping someone with OF defense?

"College actually kind of beat that out of me, making me more, well, of an asshole."

by Cy Schourek on Feb 18, 2011 7:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Manny Ramirez was there too

In an advisory capacity.

What, me? Being negative? No. Never.

by Paul Householder on Feb 18, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

exactly

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Feb 18, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Should have just hung out with Jay Bruce

Just doing that would have added about 0.5 defensive WAR.

What, me? Being negative? No. Never.

by Paul Householder on Feb 18, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

if he'd hung out with Jim Edmonds

he would be Jay Bruce now!

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Feb 18, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

what, you mean the retiree Jim Edmonds?

Whose last major league hit ever was a home run that he INJURED himself on? That Jim Edmonds?

God I’m glad he’s not a red anymore.

by thevole on Feb 18, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

good

one of my least favorite players ever

by Daedalus on Feb 18, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

i think jim edmonds is fantastic

he helped Jay Bruce make “The Leap”.

"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

by obc2 on Feb 18, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Jim Edmonds is the whiniest little bitch

in the history of whiny little bitches.

But he was fantastic… at making routine plays look impossible. Seriously, screw that cuaffle.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Feb 18, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

joe posnanski

has him ranked as the 2nd best centerfielder of joe’s lifetime (born 1967)

i think he used Fangraphs WAR, Baseball Reference WAR and win shares.

"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

by obc2 on Feb 18, 2011 8:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Joe obviously was fooled by his asshatness.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Feb 18, 2011 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Crolfer you are right on the money

It pains me to admit that Edmonds was a great player, maybe even HoFer, but I hated that dude for turning routine flies into spectacular diving catches and leaps and slides and everything else. Plus, I basically just hated him.

by kcgard2 on Feb 18, 2011 9:22 PM EST up reply actions  

arguably the 2nd best centerfielder of his era

I think I’d rather have Cammy Cam or Torii Hunter, though.

Mostly because I hate Edmonds.

"College actually kind of beat that out of me, making me more, well, of an asshole."

by Cy Schourek on Feb 19, 2011 4:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd take Jr., Lofton, or Andruw over Edmonds for sure

Bernie Williams in his prime. Torii and Cameron just fall short.

by kcgard2 on Feb 19, 2011 8:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd take Neifi Perez over Edmonds.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Feb 19, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I was trying to be objective

but I definitely feel where you’re coming from, crolf

by kcgard2 on Feb 19, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I hate hate hate

that his SBNation picture is him in a Reds uni

"College actually kind of beat that out of me, making me more, well, of an asshole."

by Cy Schourek on Feb 19, 2011 4:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I kinda like it

just as a big f you to Cards fans.

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Feb 19, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Someone that's not me needs to find the video of him misthrowing the ball last year at GABP

"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs

by jch24 on Feb 18, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

ah, Melky

He’s actually not that turrible on defense, though I can understand why he didn’t leave a good impression in Cincinnati.

IMO, his main problem is that he can’t handle balls hit over his head, so tends to play awfully deep.

And he’s got a really strong arm…but it’s not very accurate. He’s got a cannon…a loose cannon.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Feb 18, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

That play was hysterical, we were somewhat behind home plate

I wanna say it was Hanigan running and he made it all the way around?

"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs

by jch24 on Feb 18, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Found it

It was Hanigan, in the bottom of the 7th.

"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs

by jch24 on Feb 18, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Yay! One shiny rec for you!

"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs

by jch24 on Feb 18, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

hah

The Melkman doesn’t deliver.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Feb 18, 2011 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I've been a Sapphire man for some time

but I got a bottle of New Amsterdam the other night and I’m almost convinced.

Press spacebar to die!

by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 19, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

that's what Avatar needed.

"Red Reporter - An elitist clique full of like-minded douchebags." - BK

by ZJiff30 on Feb 19, 2011 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Those were the martini glasses on F. Scott Fitzgerald's grave!

They both said Bombay Sapphire. Were you in Rockville last weekend?

by Brendanukkah on Feb 19, 2011 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

bombay sapphire martinis are awesome

but then you get into the whole definition of martini thing

by Daedalus on Feb 22, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

i was at that game

and i could not figure out what the hell happened. I turned to watch the base runners as he picked up the ball trying to see if their would be a play anywhere, and the crowd started to laugh, and the ball was in center field.

"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin

by justin007000 on Feb 19, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I was there too, why didn't you say hi?

"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs

by jch24 on Feb 19, 2011 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

why didn't you say hi?

"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin

by justin007000 on Feb 19, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I tried

But you were too busy enjoying the penus.

"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs

by jch24 on Feb 19, 2011 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

TWSS

Dr. Serizawa: "If my device can serve a good purpose, i would announce it to everyone in the world! But in its current form, it's just a weapon of horrible destruction. Please understand, Ogata!"
Hideto Ogata: "I understand. But if we don't use your device against Godzilla, what are we going to do?"

by Madville on Feb 21, 2011 9:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Was at this game.

Great birthday present from Melky right there.

by BomerHailey on Feb 19, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I was there too, why didn't you say hi?

"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs

by jch24 on Feb 19, 2011 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

It was my 21st birthday.

I was busy being intoxicated in public for the first time. You should have come to Section 525. I was being pretty obnoxiously loud that day, I don’t think you could have miss me.

by BomerHailey on Feb 20, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Being silly in public

it happens to Reds fans.

and Atlanta outfielders.

Red Reporter: A Cincinnati Reds' fan Community Compose of a Bunch of Profane Motherfuckers since February 9th, 2005.

by johnu1 on Feb 20, 2011 8:22 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

why i won't have more than a beer or 2 at a reds game

otherwise i get wildly inappropriate and make children cry after i shout things at the St. Louis Bullpen.

"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin

by justin007000 on Feb 20, 2011 8:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Children are very good after 2 beers

Red Reporter: A Cincinnati Reds' fan Community Compose of a Bunch of Profane Motherfuckers since February 9th, 2005.

by johnu1 on Feb 20, 2011 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

will you go and post something at LGT?

I want to see if your signature would get you the instant boot.

"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin

by justin007000 on Feb 20, 2011 9:21 PM EST up reply actions  

They have an SBnation site for Lesbians, Gays, and Transgenders?

That’s really progressive. Good job, guys.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Feb 20, 2011 10:00 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

You forgot the excalamation point!

"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24

by BK on Feb 20, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Or this

http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/LGT

Red Reporter: A Cincinnati Reds' fan Community Compose of a Bunch of Profane Motherfuckers since February 9th, 2005.

by johnu1 on Feb 20, 2011 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

ha yeah me too

he says it as if it’s a given that everyone has tried to throw a bar of soap in the shower.

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Feb 19, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Real live action

THIS WAS AMAZING

Red Reporter: A Cincinnati Reds' fan Community Compose of a Bunch of Profane Motherfuckers since February 9th, 2005.

by johnu1 on Feb 19, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

HE WAS WORKING WITH THE ENEMY!!!!!!

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Feb 18, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

honest question, you're in MO

what’s going to happen with Colby this year? Is he going to stick around?

"College actually kind of beat that out of me, making me more, well, of an asshole."

by Cy Schourek on Feb 19, 2011 4:37 AM EST up reply actions  

That'd be my guess.

Can’t say for sure, but I think things have died down.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Feb 19, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

i'm not in MO

but I think he has to. I think the GM has to know that he has a longer future in St. Louis than TLR.

"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin

by justin007000 on Feb 19, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

All of this almost sounds too good to be true

reminds of “best shape of his life” stories which may or may not mean anything.

by JPGs on Feb 18, 2011 7:44 AM EST reply actions  

This is my thought.

 I want to see him out there and hear someone who actually makes decisions say he’s got a shot before I believe it.

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Feb 18, 2011 9:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Having said that, if he's less than terrible, I'll be happy to forget that Fred Lewis exists.

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Feb 18, 2011 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

yes yes yes yes

And if he is still not good, a few months in AAA should help.

What’s more…why didn’t the organization have Eric Davis working with him all winter?

"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

by PeteyHendrix on Feb 18, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Because I think they were pretty certain he wasnt going to play there

Hatchers already noticed the changes, hopefully he really opens some eyes

"strikeouts are a lot sexier than groundouts"

by smitty3 on Feb 18, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

OK, so I've got a new avatar for ST, now I need a new sig.

And since I’m self centered and have delusions of grandeur, I’m going to assume you all care and solicit suggestions. What should my ST 2011 sig be? You have until 1:00 p.m. to make your suggestion. The winner gets the satisfaction of knowing your choice will grace all of my witty comments for the next few months, as well as dinner on me the next time you are in NYC.

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Feb 18, 2011 9:27 AM EST reply actions  

"crolfer is so much cooler than thevole"

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Feb 18, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

you do realize I'll be attributing the quote to whomever suggests it

so you’re going to look like a huge d-bag if you win :-)

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Feb 18, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

But I'll also be cooler than thevole.

Cuz he’s lame.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Feb 18, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah?

Well… I’m a mirror! And you’re looking at it and seeing YOU.

So YOU’RE a huge d-bag! Ohhhhhhhhh.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Feb 18, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't know.

It’s fun though. I think it has something to do with Mumford and Sons and the Avett Brothers.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Feb 18, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

DUMBHEAD!

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Feb 18, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I know those guys (and ladies)

Part of the Trekky Records collective with which I am tangentially associated. I don’t really like their music all that much, either, but they’re good folks. I give props to anyone getting onto the national stage representing my adopted hometown, Chapel Hill, NC.

by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Feb 18, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Can't blame them.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Feb 18, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Twitter is dumb.

Soon it will be replaced by something even dumber.

by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Feb 18, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

twitter is actually an excellent tool

when it’s not being used for trivial two or three-way conversations about pants or to post what someone had for lunch. it’s especially good to use in places where there aren’t adequate or accurate news sources. i use it for work and really can’t be without it.

by Daedalus on Feb 18, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I think their music's okay . . .

but I wish the poor guy could find something to write about besides how heartbroken he is. He doesn’t seem like a bad songwriter . . . but he only writes about one thing.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Feb 18, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Really

We were talking about their record and they were all like “hey, don’t pirate our record” when we weren’t pirating their record

by thevole on Feb 18, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

The head guy Ari has a pretty poor reputation locally

but a lot of the rest of the band is alright. I went drunken sledding with a few of the ladies in the band last year and lost my camera and my phone and my most of my dinner.

You may outfit the Trolley.

by Man Mountain on Feb 18, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

So how is Helen Keller doing?

Dr. Serizawa: "If my device can serve a good purpose, i would announce it to everyone in the world! But in its current form, it's just a weapon of horrible destruction. Please understand, Ogata!"
Hideto Ogata: "I understand. But if we don't use your device against Godzilla, what are we going to do?"

by Madville on Feb 20, 2011 12:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Still dead.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Feb 20, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

/Fransisco Franco'd

"Those fellas make some good points," Baker said. "They're profane as hell, and they're probably gay, but they make some good points."

Dusty Baker on RR

by DTFH91 on Feb 21, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

"Red Reporter: SBN's /b/"

"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs

by jch24 on Feb 18, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

or throw this in there

“Ever heard the story of the three little pigs?”

"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs

by jch24 on Feb 18, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

i heart doug dirt

When you come to the fork in the road, take it.

by poojols on Feb 18, 2011 11:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Winner

When you come to the fork in the road, take it.

by poojols on Feb 18, 2011 11:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Damn, I can't top that.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Feb 18, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

This penus is full of win.

"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

by PeteyHendrix on Feb 18, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

TWSS?

"Penus, stale beer, and day old hot dogs. Love it"--justin007000

by nycredsfan on Feb 18, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

and we have a winner!

"Penus, stale beer, and day old hot dogs. Love it"--justin007000

by nycredsfan on Feb 18, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Jusitn wins everything.

Map Quest really needs to start their directions on # 5. I'm pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

by johnu1 on Feb 18, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Buy me some penus and crack...or Jack!

"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

by PeteyHendrix on Feb 18, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

/miguelcabrera'd

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Feb 18, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I really want this to be true

but I don’t think it is, so I’m not going to get my hopes up.

(I really, really, really want this to be true.)

by thevole on Feb 18, 2011 11:40 AM EST reply actions  

New Nickname: OutYonder

This is so awesome. I am floored.

"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

by PeteyHendrix on Feb 18, 2011 1:03 PM EST reply actions  

When Ryan Braun hits one over his head, will he have hit it over yonder?

When you come to the fork in the road, take it.

by poojols on Feb 18, 2011 1:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

People were right.

But now that there is context and a feel-good story attached, your discovery is as irrelevant as Leif Erikson’s, and will historically be similarly ignored by grade school folk.

I love our OUTYONDER!

"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

by PeteyHendrix on Feb 18, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

The Vole mentioned on twitter that he was going to listen to them. He also mentioned he was going to do it legally.

somehow they decided that he was going to pirate their music, so they attacked him over it via twitter.

since then we’ve been joking about how much they suck & all the different ways we steal their music.

by 'tHan on Feb 18, 2011 6:19 PM EST up reply actions  

As I said, I don’t know the head honcho except by reputation, which isn’t stellar. But who knows? One of the guys that I play with met him the other night at some Big Star tribute thing and said he was really likable and friendly. It may even be that some intern at their record label is in charge of their social media.

You may outfit the Trolley.

by Man Mountain on Feb 18, 2011 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

i think everyone should pay for music

stealing copywrited art is baaaaaaaad.

unless it allows me to listen to Sic’em on a Chicken on a road trip. then its ok to steal music.

"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

by obc2 on Feb 18, 2011 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I've had that song stuck in my head all week thanks to you

"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24

by BK on Feb 18, 2011 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

That song terrifies me.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Feb 18, 2011 9:16 PM EST up reply actions  

copywrited art....awesome

"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs

by jch24 on Feb 18, 2011 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Copy it right Art.

Art is for the People pretty much BS…so why pay for it …you can make your own.

I mean who in their right mind would pay for the drivel that this so called Artist produces?
She ought to driven straight to the set of What Not To Wear

Dr. Serizawa: "If my device can serve a good purpose, i would announce it to everyone in the world! But in its current form, it's just a weapon of horrible destruction. Please understand, Ogata!"
Hideto Ogata: "I understand. But if we don't use your device against Godzilla, what are we going to do?"

by Madville on Feb 19, 2011 1:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I can't stand her.

And now that I see her footwear, I feel completely justified.

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Feb 19, 2011 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Pop you border on being both a genius and a prophet

Natalie Merchant cannot blow me.

Dr. Serizawa: "If my device can serve a good purpose, i would announce it to everyone in the world! But in its current form, it's just a weapon of horrible destruction. Please understand, Ogata!"
Hideto Ogata: "I understand. But if we don't use your device against Godzilla, what are we going to do?"

by Madville on Feb 20, 2011 12:49 AM EST up reply actions  

please be true

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by Daedalus on Feb 18, 2011 3:18 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

Sorry, but this constitutes praying

if said more than three times in a row with a cadence connected.

And there is no praying on RR.

Wishful thinking, that’s another matter.
Blind faith, still another.
Deviated hope … you get the logic.

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by johnu1 on Feb 19, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

and a big shiny rec for the madster

who has been off the reservation with his Volquez hating, Reagan loving ways, but he redeemed himself with this.

"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin

by justin007000 on Feb 21, 2011 3:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Ah yes, the "evil" argument.

And no one stops to think why and whence we consider things evil in the first place. Good argument, atheists!

"Penus, stale beer, and day old hot dogs. Love it"--justin007000

by nycredsfan on Feb 22, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

I really shouldn't do this

but things are pretty slow today.

So…huh?

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by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 22, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I shouldn't either, especially with a philosophy major

But why would you use the concept of “evil” as an argument against the existence of God, considering the fact that if there is no God, where did you/I/we get this idea of “evil” from? If it is just a human construct, it has no merit in the argument.

"Penus, stale beer, and day old hot dogs. Love it"--justin007000

by nycredsfan on Feb 22, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

The concepts of good and evil are not exclusively derived from God

Epicurus was of the belief that good and evil are simply normative terms for pleasure and pain.

And it does have merit, even as a human construct, because the concept of God (or at least, the one argued against here) is a God who is supposed to be all-knowing, all-loving, and all-powerful. The fact that evil exists in the world means that at least one of those things is not true.

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by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 22, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

the concepts of good and evil are not real

they are social constructs created to control us.

"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin

by justin007000 on Feb 22, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the key distinction to make

is that this does not stand as a strong argument that God does not exist. So the tag on the pic above is kind of a bridge too far. Epicurus’ argument does not mean God does not exist, but rather that the all-singing, all-dancing God we are all familiar with in Judeo-Christian culture does not exist.

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by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 22, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

They may not be exclusively "derived" from God, as you mean it

But if there is no objective standard outside of humanity against which to judge this, the concepts of "good’ and ‘evil’ are meaningless. If there is no god, these concepts are just human constructs that are completely subjective, personal, and therefore carry no weight. Is it evil to kill children? I say no. Is it evil to beat up old ladies and steal their money? I say no. Who’s to say that you are right if you disagree?

Still, I understand your argument that there is a seeming paradox to the existence of the Judeo-Christian God, but I think this is a cop-out argument. First, if the God of the Bible does exist, it stands to reason that His concept of Justice might be a little bit different from mine, so for me to say that—because I don’t like things that happen in the world, therefore an omniscient, omnipresent, and all-loving God couldn’t possibly have a reason for allowing them—is quite arrogant. Also, we can all think of examples where a short-term ‘evil’ ends up being for good. (losing a job, divorce, partner dumping you, etc.) If we can see that these things are possible, it stands to reason that a God that is all knowing and exists outside of time might be able to work these things for good, and might just even have a plan for doing so. (Something the New Testament claims, BTW). So it certainly isn’t logically inconsistent that the God of the Bible could exist.

Finally, and anecdotally, you’ll typically find that those who are suffering the most are not the ones making this argument. It is typically us privileged folk who are, relatively speaking, suffering very little who have such a hard time with it.

"Penus, stale beer, and day old hot dogs. Love it"--justin007000

by nycredsfan on Feb 22, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

OK

The first part of your argument here is about relativism vs. realism, which is something I’m so totally about. But I’d rather stick with the original God argument here.

I think most of us would cringe at your assertion that we have incomplete conceptions of good and evil and that God knows better. Not to go all Godwin here, but the Nazis are pretty much considered the baddest motherbitchfaces in history. I would have a very difficult time with the idea that the Holocaust was part of some benevolent grand scheme of a good and powerful God.

Press spacebar to die!

by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 22, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

And more to the point

I think your assertion would logically lead us to a less inquisitive existence, one where we did not question matters of good and evil but rather just accept that Jesus take the wheel (my all-time favorite catchphrase). I think this is an undesirable state of affairs, for obvious reasons.

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by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 22, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Not at all.

I’m simply arguing that the “problem of pain” is inadequate to disprove the existence of God. Anyone who has ever read the Bible sees that God hates injustice and calls us to work for justice here on earth. We like to think that a lot of ideas of human rights, love, etc., come from secular enlightenment thinking, but that’s simply not the case. We also like to focus on atrocities like the Crusades and the Holocaust to show how much damage ‘organized religion’ has done in the world. I won’t deny that is true, (although in most of these cases it is a person who is simply seeking power and abusing religion as a means of control) but it should also be recognized that it was believers in the Judeo-Christian God who were primarily responsible for ideas like equal human rights, the injustice and “evil” of slavery, the concept of marrying for love, hospitals, caring for the poor, etc. The idea that the belief in the God of the Bible leads to a passive, accepting existence is not held up by human history.

"Penus, stale beer, and day old hot dogs. Love it"--justin007000

by nycredsfan on Feb 22, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you are conflating a few fundamentally different ideas here

I think you are arguing from the perspective that Christianity has done a great deal of progressive, wonderful things in history. I won’t and can’t disagree with that (I will disagree one what specifically those things are, but that’s neither here nor there). But I think these goods did not come from the Christian philosophy of “God must have a plan”, but rather from the Christian philosophy of “love God and thy neighbor”.

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by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 22, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure

But you were implying that my primary argument was that we should just check out and say “God must have a plan”. My argument was that the existence of the God of the Bible is perfectly logically consistent based upon (sort of) this very concept. But it doesn’t end there. If you believe in this aspect of God, you believe in all of it, and therefore a passive, pliable, cowardly existence isn’t really possible. (as evidenced by all of the good, brave work done by believers throughout history)

"Penus, stale beer, and day old hot dogs. Love it"--justin007000

by nycredsfan on Feb 22, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I will also add that, IMHO,

Picking and choosing which aspects of God we want to believe in/follow is what makes so many of us bad little Christians, and why so many people hate so many Christians.

"Penus, stale beer, and day old hot dogs. Love it"--justin007000

by nycredsfan on Feb 22, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll add, IMHO

It’s the wholesale acceptance of socio-political superstructures that leads us all to be terrible and inactive critical thinkers.

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by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 22, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure

I don’t believe the Bible is a socio-political superstructure.

"Penus, stale beer, and day old hot dogs. Love it"--justin007000

by nycredsfan on Feb 22, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

OK

Then I guess here is where we fundamentally disagree.

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by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 22, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

It certainly has been turned into one by people

who misrepresent, abuse, distort, and cherry-pick it for their own aims. The book itself is not, though.

"Penus, stale beer, and day old hot dogs. Love it"--justin007000

by nycredsfan on Feb 22, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you are putting words in my mouth

I didn’t say we should lead cowardly lives. My assertion was that if we cannot be confident in our conceptions of good and evil, then we’d be forced to bow out of such discussions. If we cannot know what is truly good or bad, how can we be responsible for any of it? That seems a big concession to make.

Press spacebar to die!

by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 22, 2011 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Now you are putting words in my mouth :-)

(And it also seems we are reaching the limits of practicality for discussing this on the internet)

I didn’t say we can’t be confident in our conceptions of good or evil (at least not if we believe in a deity. Atheists absolutely cannot be confident in their conceptions of good and evil) What I’m saying is that we can’t be so arrogant as to say that what we perceive as being pure evil can never be set right or could never possibly be part of a larger plan for the universe.

Further, if there is no god, there is no use discussing “evil” as a proof of his non-existence, because the very word is meaningless if this is all there is.

"Penus, stale beer, and day old hot dogs. Love it"--justin007000

by nycredsfan on Feb 22, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

If we are to accept that our conceptions of good and evil

are likely not in line with the objective standards, then yes, I think we would be hesitant about acting. That seems undesirable. And your assertion that “it all evens out in the end” is pretty damn arrogant, too. What about all the individuals who are suffering? Are you saying they should just accept that somewhere down the line they will be refunded?

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by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 22, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure what you mean by your first sentence

but I would say that Christians (should) have a very clear idea about good and evil, there is no ambiguity.

And I can see how my stance could come across as arrogant, but again, I’d point to the millions who are suffering and yet don’t hold your view. Your objections to suffering are typically held by people who aren’t suffering very much. I don’t know how it will happen, but I believe the world will be set right and ultimate justice will happen. If I claimed to know HOW that will happen, then yes, I’d be very arrogant.

"Penus, stale beer, and day old hot dogs. Love it"--justin007000

by nycredsfan on Feb 22, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

So there is no ambiguity for Christians on good and evil

but you just said this:

First, if the God of the Bible does exist, it stands to reason that His concept of Justice might be a little bit different from mine, so for me to say that—because I don’t like things that happen in the world, therefore an omniscient, omnipresent, and all-loving God couldn’t possibly have a reason for allowing them—is quite arrogant.

So God may have a conception of right and wrong that is different from yours, but you should be completely confident in your personal conception as a Christian? I’m confused.

Also, I think there is plenty of sociological evidence that poor and suffering people tend to be more religious. God is very comforting (you don’t need me to tell you that though, obviously), and in times of hopelessness God is usually the only thing keeping us from drowning. God is really useful like that.

I think perhaps you are arguing from the preconception that because I’m an atheist I hate God. That is far from the truth. I’m an atheist because I don’t think God exists beyond our conceptions of him/her, and I also believe that those conceptions are quite wonderful, useful, and good.

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by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 22, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I wish the whole conversation could be blocked

"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs

by jch24 on Feb 22, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

that's what that little "X" in the top corner of your browser is for

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by nycredsfan on Feb 22, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm just dishing out what you guys usually give me :)

"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs

by jch24 on Feb 22, 2011 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

this part of the thread should have been a fanshot

"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

by obc2 on Feb 22, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

"Right and Wrong" and "Justice" are two different things

God calls us to hate evil (as He does), and to work against it. He spells out in the Bible what that is. What I’m saying is that for me to say that because I hate evil, for me to then say that means that there is no possible way that God can bring justice out of it, and has a reason for allowing it, is arrogant.

I’m not saying God might think different things are evil than I do (and if that’s the case, it’s because I’m not understanding His teaching), I’m saying his plan for dealing with them might involve things I, being trapped in a specific time, culture, philosophical ethos, etc., might not completely understand. But even still, part of the point of the Incarnation and the cross (quite the revolutionary thing for a god to do, no?) is for us to trust that God cares enough about us to eventually set things right. (eventually because we are trapped in time, not Him)

And no offense, but I grow very tired of the “religion is nice because it comforts people” thing. I’d rather not be patted on the head like an idiot and invalid as if the only reason I believe these things is to find comfort in the big, bad, scary world out there. It is also very ethnocentric and narrow to assume that suffering people around the world believe for only that reason too. In fact, many suffering people are suffering because they believe. It would be tremendously easier for Christians in China, Sudan, etc. to just renounce their faith. It might be that they believe because they find it to be true.

And I don’t think you hate God. (and if you do, it doesn’t matter) I’m just trying to present a logical argument why the presence of evil doesn’t immediately negate the presence of the God of the Bible.

"Penus, stale beer, and day old hot dogs. Love it"--justin007000

by nycredsfan on Feb 22, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

And I feel like I crossed that line again, and I'm really stopping this time

Lest jch’s delicate sensibilities be troubled :-)

"Penus, stale beer, and day old hot dogs. Love it"--justin007000

by nycredsfan on Feb 22, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Chuck, I'd be happy to continue this via email

or we can just leave it, since we both know I won :-)

"Penus, stale beer, and day old hot dogs. Love it"--justin007000

by nycredsfan on Feb 22, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

OK

You just keep believing that, if it makes you feel better :)

Press spacebar to die!

by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 22, 2011 5:54 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

no, Charlie won

"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin

by justin007000 on Feb 22, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

It's like Aliens vs. Predator

“No matter who wins, we all lose.”

by Brendanukkah on Feb 22, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

thanks, buddy!

But like ’nukkah said, there were no winners today.

Just losers with nothing better to do than argue.

"Penus, stale beer, and day old hot dogs. Love it"--justin007000

by nycredsfan on Feb 22, 2011 8:47 PM EST up reply actions  

This probably needs to stop

Non-baseball discussion has an extremely wide berth – and I have almost no interest in policing anyone’s non-abusive, non-pornographic comments – but this whole sub-thread is a little bit beyond civil and a little bit beyond productive at this point.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Feb 22, 2011 11:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Why can't these ideas come from secular enlightenment thinking?

This is not to say you are wrong, but I don’t see why its necessarily true that positive ethics had to have come from humans due to their concept of God. This seems like too much of an ad hoc hypothesis to me. Just the mere presence of their coming up with these ideas and the mere presence of them being Judeo-Christian does not imply causation. Philosophers for generations have seceded themselves from God and still been able to philosophize on how man ought to act in given situations.

As far as the debate is concerned, my intuitions have always been that whether there is a God or not, God has not had an impact on our day-to-day lives. From what I can tell, what happens to us has solely been in our control (free-will, if you will). If that assumption is to be taken seriously, then indeed it was human will to want to treat each other in good manner and develop positive ethics toward each other, and God was merely a vessel for people to use to come to those conclusions. Therefore, it was indeed human thought that led to these good things you’ve mentioned, though the invention of God (or, more correctly, the defining of what God would want) was a primary part of it.

I’m also hesitant to include things such as marriage and hospitals in this group, as I wouldnt think it crazy to say that societies outside of Judeo-Christian ones have likely had official unions and/or healers. Also with slavery, while it can and has been extremely evil in certain cases, would you find it unjust if we were to use violent criminals to do some sort of hard labor as punishment? So long as it wasn’t over the top, I would almost call that just to make them our “slaves” temporarily.

To further on my earlier point, I am concerned that some people tend to “put” God into their lives artificially. For example, people constantly use the word “miracle”, like say if their family member survives a plane crashing. While the likelihood of it happening was very slim, it wasn’t zero, so in some cases it will occur. People then look to God as if it were a miracle, when it was only chance that was at play. I am not implying that you are guilty of this, but I would hesitate to solely credit our belief in God to the things you mentioned.

by pack_fan on Feb 22, 2011 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

enlightenment is overrated.

Dr. Serizawa: "If my device can serve a good purpose, i would announce it to everyone in the world! But in its current form, it's just a weapon of horrible destruction. Please understand, Ogata!"
Hideto Ogata: "I understand. But if we don't use your device against Godzilla, what are we going to do?"

by Madville on Feb 22, 2011 9:26 PM EST up reply actions  

an unenlightened person would say that

"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin

by justin007000 on Feb 22, 2011 9:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Right, and I have a hard time believing that Deicide could possibly ever be a good thing

But that is exactly what the Christian narrative says happened (the cross) , and what led to the greatest good in the history of the world (the salvation of human kind).

And I’m not saying that every tiny little (and huge, atrocious) act of evil specifically leads to some specific good.(This, BTW, is something I’m struggling with in my own journey…why God allows specific evils happen, but that’s neither here nor there) What I’m saying is that an omniscient and omnipresent God of Justice might be able to put these things to right, and just might have a plan for doing so, and to argue that it’s not possible that this is the case seems a huge stretch.

"Penus, stale beer, and day old hot dogs. Love it"--justin007000

by nycredsfan on Feb 22, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

The thing both of you seem to be forgetting

Is that when you say Jesus backwards it sounds like “Sausage”.

"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs

by jch24 on Feb 22, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, no. I think about that every day.

"Penus, stale beer, and day old hot dogs. Love it"--justin007000

by nycredsfan on Feb 22, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

The reason a benevolent, omnopotnet god would allow evils to happen

is that this god also allows us to have free will. If god intervened to prevent evil, we no longer have free will, and then for what end is our existence?

by kcgard2 on Feb 22, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Why have God then?

If God is indeed all-powerful/all-knowing/and so forth, but also refuses to exercise any of these powers for the sake of our free will, what is the whole point of God then?

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by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 22, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

but we are all mere humans

subject to vice, mistakes, and evil. I don’t think any mere human should face an eternity of hell fire simply for being a bad human.

"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin

by justin007000 on Feb 22, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

everybody causes greif and pain to their fellow man

"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin

by justin007000 on Feb 22, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

So there should be no punishment for it?

"Penus, stale beer, and day old hot dogs. Love it"--justin007000

by nycredsfan on Feb 22, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Is it really?

Dang, I hate when I think I’m being original and someone beat me to it.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Feb 22, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

OK, so nobody should go to hell

Heaven and Hell become pretty useless constructs in that case.

There’s probably also a matter of degree to be considered.

by kcgard2 on Feb 22, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

im starting to think reading this thread

is hell on earth…

"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

by obc2 on Feb 22, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

you are correct

anytime Daedalus steps on her soap box is good enough time to just lock the thread and call it a day

by Highlifeman21 on Feb 22, 2011 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, God simply provides an answer

for philosophical questions on the biggest scale. Sometimes I wonder whether belief in a god is a universal part of the evolution of intelligent life. Any creature that ponders it’s existence might resort to god as an answer.

I also wonder whether humans are evolving beyond the need for a god.

by kcgard2 on Feb 22, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

The current state of the world, and belief in a deity amongst the current world population

would indicate that not to be the case.

"Penus, stale beer, and day old hot dogs. Love it"--justin007000

by nycredsfan on Feb 22, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

it might not be far off....

I am just saying that I wonder about it.

by kcgard2 on Feb 22, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

There is much evidence to suggest

that belief in God is evolutionarily useful. Tribes and communities that had shared beliefs were bound together in ways that those without were not. Of course, this applies to modern society as well.

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by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 22, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

There is also much evidence to suggest that it isn't

The word “martyr” exists for a reason.

"Penus, stale beer, and day old hot dogs. Love it"--justin007000

by nycredsfan on Feb 22, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Because the first martyr's name was Marty Reynolds.

Whenever they talked about him, they just shortened it to Marty R.

Eventually someone’s space bar broke, and we have the birth of a new term.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Feb 22, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

/arresteddevelopment'd

just kidding, buddy. That gem is all you.

"Penus, stale beer, and day old hot dogs. Love it"--justin007000

by nycredsfan on Feb 22, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I still need to see the second season of AD.

I’ve only seen the first and third ones because they were on hulu.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Feb 22, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I think we have pretty much outlived that usefulness

but this argument is not relevant to the larger one.

by kcgard2 on Feb 22, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Again, that is a very narrow view

that basically is saying that because you can’t see how He is doing so, he can’t possibly be doing so. (exercising said powers)

And again, not to get too proselytizing on you, but the argument is that the death of God himself could be considered the worst evil imaginable, yet that is how God chose to redeem and save humanity, so He has already shown that this could be the case. I guarantee you that none of Jesus’ followers were rejoicing the day after he died. They couldn’t see how it could ever be a good thing, and yet it was.

"Penus, stale beer, and day old hot dogs. Love it"--justin007000

by nycredsfan on Feb 22, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

And with that post I think I/We have crossed an invisible line

that is going to start making people reading this 3 day-old thread uncomfortable.

So I’ll stop.

"Penus, stale beer, and day old hot dogs. Love it"--justin007000

by nycredsfan on Feb 22, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

OK

I’m cool with that.

Just so you know though, I totally won.

Press spacebar to die!

by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 22, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

You're right

I’m going to go out and sleep with prostitutes and kill homeless people.

Don’t tell me it’s wrong, I decide what truth is!!

"Penus, stale beer, and day old hot dogs. Love it"--justin007000

by nycredsfan on Feb 22, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not your fault, nycredsfan

"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs

by jch24 on Feb 22, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, asking what is the point of God

is rather egocentric. If you don’t believe in God the point is moot; and if you do, why would you think God is acting in the wrong?

by kcgard2 on Feb 22, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

It is curious ...

the origin of “good” and “evil” as defined by somebody whose agenda it is to either support it or abolish it.

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by johnu1 on Feb 22, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Look - i just posted that picture of Epidural and his corny sayings as some buffoonery for John's sake!

Nobody in their right (or left) minds really gives a shit about good and evil, I mean do they? ….These are terms that are so vague and pompous as to be almost as meaningless as ‘Clutch’…Christ on a fucking hubcap.

Dr. Serizawa: "If my device can serve a good purpose, i would announce it to everyone in the world! But in its current form, it's just a weapon of horrible destruction. Please understand, Ogata!"
Hideto Ogata: "I understand. But if we don't use your device against Godzilla, what are we going to do?"

by Madville on Feb 22, 2011 8:42 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Now Justin please...

I don’t hate Volquez…I just think he’s a big time risk and as soon as possible should be traded
Reagan was not a great prez that’s for sure…but there is something to say for his leadership…but then
as a longtime business owner, sales manager, VP/General mgr.of a 10 Million dollar a year company and pretty damn
 Soccer Coach, I have a much different idea of what the role of leadership is than you do.

"There comes a moment when you have to stop revving up the car and shove it into gear."
- David Mahoney

Dr. Serizawa: "If my device can serve a good purpose, i would announce it to everyone in the world! But in its current form, it's just a weapon of horrible destruction. Please understand, Ogata!"
Hideto Ogata: "I understand. But if we don't use your device against Godzilla, what are we going to do?"

by Madville on Feb 21, 2011 10:02 PM EST reply actions  

i'll take good policies over good leadership

"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin

by justin007000 on Feb 21, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

also, do you think Nick Masset is a "big time injury risk"?

"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin

by justin007000 on Feb 22, 2011 4:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Good Grief. Reagan was not god, not even a great president...he did the best he could and was better than many. The poor and disenfranchised will always be with us, we who have education and money and are mobile and able to traverse the world - we talk a

Maybe you believe in chuck shultz too

Dr. Serizawa: "If my device can serve a good purpose, i would announce it to everyone in the world! But in its current form, it's just a weapon of horrible destruction. Please understand, Ogata!"
Hideto Ogata: "I understand. But if we don't use your device against Godzilla, what are we going to do?"

by Madville on Feb 22, 2011 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

So, let me get this straight. You are condescending about people arguing good and evil

but you keep arguing the relative value of Reagan’s presidency?

Well, as long as your priorities are in order.

"Penus, stale beer, and day old hot dogs. Love it"--justin007000

by nycredsfan on Feb 22, 2011 8:48 PM EST up reply actions  

You are missing the point!!!

Jimmy Carter had good policies but was terrible leader
Reagan had mediocre policies but knew how to lead

Presidents do their best at policies but congress is where policies are made
The primary function of the Pres is to lead the nation for all citizens
Good leader Prezs recently:
Kennedy
Clinton
Slyde
Reagan
Obama

Weak leader Prezs
Ford
Carter
Zimpher
Bush II

Dr. Serizawa: "If my device can serve a good purpose, i would announce it to everyone in the world! But in its current form, it's just a weapon of horrible destruction. Please understand, Ogata!"
Hideto Ogata: "I understand. But if we don't use your device against Godzilla, what are we going to do?"

by Madville on Feb 22, 2011 3:43 AM EST reply actions  

Kennedy was awful

the only reason Kennedy is a “great leader” is because he died.

Civil Rights he only paid lip service to.

He had no interest in enacting serious legislation like the great society.

The Bay of Pigs was all Kennedy and a disaster.

It was his administration that pushed us deeper in the Vietnam, and he originally appointed McNamara, who sadly Johnson kept.

As a senator there were few people more supportive of HUAC than the Kennedy brothers.

But Civil Rights legislation probably would not have happened under JFK, he didn’t care. LBJ actually gave a shit about black people, and Civil Rights were very important to him.

Clinton was all around mediocre. His housing policies played an important role in the 2008 disaster.

A combination or Reagan, Bush, Clinton, and Bush did terrible things to student loans. By privatizing many student loans, students saw increases in interest rates on sky rocketing tuition. But hey that banks are making billions off of it, so good for the people who write their checks.

Where was Reagan’s leadership on AIDS? Oh right he didn’t do shit.

Where was Obama’s leadership on serious Wall Street reform, and prosecuting the people who did illegal things? We saw Enron on a massive scale, and yet only the man who scammed other rich people is in jail.

Why isn’t Obama actively supporting the public union employees who helped put him in the White House? Where is his leadership on that?

Yes a President isn’t a dictator, what he wants will often be watered down if not shot down by Congress. But he sets the tone, and the agenda. His “leadership” ends the day he leaves the White House. The policies enacted can last long after he is dead. Plus a good President can get shit done. LBJ knew congress well enough to get what he wanted through.

I have little need for pretty speeches and flowery rhetoric. At the end of the end of the day that is all bullshit, and it is bad for you.

Lets face it, Lincoln was probably the last okay president we had.

"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin

by justin007000 on Feb 22, 2011 4:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd take Kennedy's plan for monetary reform

over any other modern president. Of course nobody could ever do what he wanted. Oh, and he actually was honest about middle east policy. Shocker, nobody can do that either.

by ol Pete on Feb 22, 2011 8:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Say it with my, Mads

almost every American President was shitty, and almost every American president to come will be shitty. They aren’t there to serve us, they are there to serve the people who put them in power.

Our good friend George says it best.
Really he is dead on balls accurate.

"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin

by justin007000 on Feb 22, 2011 4:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Um Polk was pretty good - Washington led the Army against the disgruntled persons of Boston (that ought to qualify for something)

Oh well…never discuss politics…even though I was only talking about leadership skills it turned political…its all my fault.

Dr. Serizawa: "If my device can serve a good purpose, i would announce it to everyone in the world! But in its current form, it's just a weapon of horrible destruction. Please understand, Ogata!"
Hideto Ogata: "I understand. But if we don't use your device against Godzilla, what are we going to do?"

by Madville on Feb 22, 2011 8:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I think I'd support a Daedalus/Justin ticket in 2024

I’m seriously thinking that they’d be the greatest American administration of all time. Since the rest of the Presidents in history suck, of course.

I assume both are against the designated hitter and the unbalanced schedule in MLB.

Both consume alcohol (a must for me to vote for a candidate).

If they repeal the smoking ban at GABP im sure JCH and his Libertarian ass will support their campaign.

Just commit to a Jimmy Buffett tune as the post-election celebratory tune and tHan is in.

I texted sukr for his demands but he failed to respond. Failhorn.

If you commit to agreeing that men can determine the sex of their spawn by man’s sexual position choices then my main man snohio joins the fray.

Replace Monday Night Football with Monday Night Futbol in America and BK lends his support.

Mads just wants free turtle soup on Tuesdays.

"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

by obc2 on Feb 22, 2011 10:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I like George Carlin...funny dude - PROFESSIONAL COMEDIAN...

(get it?)

Dr. Serizawa: "If my device can serve a good purpose, i would announce it to everyone in the world! But in its current form, it's just a weapon of horrible destruction. Please understand, Ogata!"
Hideto Ogata: "I understand. But if we don't use your device against Godzilla, what are we going to do?"

by Madville on Feb 22, 2011 8:50 PM EST reply actions  

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