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Handicapping the Opening Day starter race

"If they ask me, I won't turn it down. But if they said they were on the fence between me and someone else, I'd say, 'Do whatever you want.'" -- Bronson Arroyo, 2/16/11

Bronson Arroyo is a company man. Last year, he deferred to Aaron Harang. This year, he's taking it as it comes. Or maybe he actually just don't care. About anything. That's pretty cool, right? Given the early buzz around Arroyo, his historical #2 status to five-time Opening Day heavyweight champion Harang and Dusty's alleged preference for tenure in his Opening Day starters, Arroyo has to be the early favorite to take the mound on Cincinnati's sacred baseball holiday.

But maybe he won't. The Reds have had a tendency in the past to put a little too much weight on spring performance. So if another member of the rotation is throwing well, appears to be in a better "best shape of his life" and is well-rested going into March 31, the fella could pull off a March surprise.

Let's take a look at what  factors may influence the final decision. For my purposes, I'm only considering Arroyo, Cueto, Volquez and - with a very outside, dark horse chance - Travis Wood.

The Brewers' lineup

Prince Fielder is a lefty in the heart of the Milwaukee order. But Braun, Hart and Weeks are all righties. So handedness doesn't really narrow it down much, depending on whether you think Travis Wood is actually in the running. Dusty has been know to place importance on match-ups when filling out his lineup card, without necessarily worrying that a 4.000 SLG pct was the result of a single plate appearance or clerical error.

Star-divide

Bronson Arroyo faced the Brewers once last season, going 8 innings, with 5 Ks, giving up 1 BB, 3 hits and 3 ER. Arroyo has fared pretty well historically against current Brewers, though like nearly ever other Reds pitcher, has had difficulty with Prince Fielder, who's posted a 250/.341/.556 line in 44 PAs lifetime.

Johnny Cueto struggled mightily against the Brewers last season, starting 3 games and yielding a 6.28 ER, 1.74 WHIP and .905 OPS against. Historically, Fielder (.350/.425/.800, 2HR) and Hart (.286/.348/.714, 3 HR) both have his number. On a strictly match-up basis, Cueto should sit out this series entirely.

Edinson Volquez did reasonably well in two starts against the Brewers in 2010: 3.86 ERA, 1.46 WHIP and 9 K. Hart (.308/.333/.769) and Braun (.333/.444/.400) have both hit the Wagon well in the past, though the sample is smaller against Volquez than Arroyo or Cueto.

Travis Wood performed the best against last season's edition of the Brewers, starting twice and notching 12 Ks against 2 BB in 11.1 IP, good for a .195/.250/.317 line against.

Advantage: Travis Wood. He's the best performer against the current slate of Brewers' hitters. But this is only predictive to the extent that Dusty is going to weigh this in his decision. Given the smallness of sample size and the relative pointlessness of using match-ups for a competitive edge on one game in a regular season series, he'd be well-advised to largely ignore them, which brings us to:

Dusty's predilections

Apart from match-ups,  Dusty also has shown a preference for sticking to identifiable player roles. The role of Opening Day starter has gone to Aaron Harang in each of Baker's three years in Cincinati. Dusty's willingness to stick with Harang (one love), even in '09 and '10 when he was decidedly not the "best' pitcher in the rotation, points to an emphasis on veteran leadership and tradition. But an Arroyo pick is not strictly a function of veteran bias: Bronson was the team's best or second-best starter over a full season last year. His win totals also look good to a traditionalist. Arroyo has racked up 47 of them during Dusty's time in Cincinnati. It's  far from clear that wins are much of a factor though: Harang started OD after 6-17 and 6-14 seasons.

Advantage: Bronson Arroyo. He has the perfect admixture of status on the team and recent performance, both in counting and rate stats. Might win some points for being so submissive too.

Anointing a #1 starter

During the regular season, the push to identify an "ace" is somewhat arbitrary, considering that any attempt to consistently match up #1s with opposing teams is futile. Still, it's easy to do in the Opening Series and, as a symbolic move, signals that whoever takes the ball is the teams trusted stopper. If Zach Greinke is going to be the counterpart, better just go ahead and put the best talent on the hill.

Edinson Volquez was the ace in '08 - and Dusty's willingness to slot him first in the '10 Divisional series against the Phillies evinced faith in his ability to put out the lights. Johnny Cueto profiled as the team's ace for much of last year, with a Arroyo a close second, the latter contributing some critical performances to staunch losing streaks. Travis Wood was arguably the ace for the second half of 2010, complete with her near-perfect performance against the Phillies, though his name continues to crop up as a merely a contender for one of the final two spots in the rotation.

Advantage: Johnny Cueto. His extension suggests the organization believes in his ability to pitch at the top of the rotation. Given his statistical parity with Arroyo over least season, youth and peripherals break the tie. The importance of Arroyo's durability and Volquez's upside make this close to a toss-up. Travis Wood is certainly capable of pitching like an ace, but it's doubtful he'll take on the mantle yet - at least not for another half-season.

My odds for Opening Day starter selection:

These could change as the spring wears on. Dusty, of course, has an Alan Greenspan-like ability to influence this market. So, don't place your bets. It's probably illegal.

Bronson Arroyo: 2-1

Johnny Cueto: 4-1

Edinson Volquez: 6-1

Travis Wood: 12-1

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It's a safe bet Arroyo will be on the hill opening day.

Dusty may say the opening day spot is up for grabs. simple way to motivate everyone.

C I N C I N N A T I R E D S

by I75series on Feb 17, 2011 3:46 PM EST reply actions  

I can see a dominant ST performance by one of Wood/Volquez/Cueto changing things

But Arroyo’s definitely a strong favorite. I’m guessing Dusty weighs the symbolic significance of the OD starter much more than the matchups with Milwaukee.

by ken on Feb 17, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

why didn't Arroyo start game 1 of the NLDS?

if Arroyo started the first game of the series I would believe this was an open and shut case.

"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin

by justin007000 on Feb 17, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought that was Volquez

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by BubbaFan on Feb 17, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I know

"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin

by justin007000 on Feb 17, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

sorry, misread your post

I think Dusty was worried about the matchups.

Which makes more sense in the postseason than for opening day.

Still…you wonder if maybe they shouldn’t have run Arroyo out there first, and saved the supposed ace for later. Would win at least one game, maybe.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 17, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought this too

except the game they had the best chance to win was the one Arroyo started.

All other things being equal, Arroyo pitches his game first and Volquez his 2nd, the Reds don’t stand a chance in either one.

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by nycredsfan on Feb 17, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought they used this strategy, only with the names backwards.

Arroyo was the man when it came to the playoffs. He was the one who’d been there before and had his arm in the best shape. The way I saw it is that they just didn’t want to run him out there against Halladay.

As it turned out, they wouldn’t have had a chance no matter who was on the mound. Remember that Halladay made history that day.

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by sexsalad on Feb 17, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I still think

it could have been different if they’d started Janish instead of Slo-Cab.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 17, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

i mean this didn't matter in the end

but with Bailey and Wood in the ‘pen i don’t know why Dusty let Voqluez melt down before going to the pen. The thing about the playoffs is the stakes are high, and with one or two starters in the pen, if the real starter doesn’t have it, you can put somebody else in before too much damage is done, and not ruin the bullpen.

"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin

by justin007000 on Feb 17, 2011 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought Dusty was pretty quick with the hook

All things considered.

Volquez should have gotten out of the 2nd inning unscathed. That infield “single” should have been the third out.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 17, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I was in a Cincinnati focused bar in the city with thevole and UncleWeez.

When Chapman came in and threw the first two pitches to Utley the place was electric. Then he “hit” him and it got a bit subdued, but then the K of Howard got people jacked again. It was really loud thereafter, until Bruce missed the catch. It was like someone had died in there. Terrible.

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by nycredsfan on Feb 18, 2011 9:12 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah, it really was

everyone looked around at each other and no one knew what to say.

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by UncleWeez on Feb 18, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

"Halladay made history that day."

I am sorry, i have no idea what you are talking about.

by Eastwindquinn on Feb 17, 2011 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

You mean, "made history?"

Sometimes I wonder if that expression would exist if 1998 didn’t happen.

by Brian B on Feb 18, 2011 9:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

It's Woody's turn to pitch

He didn’t get to pitch against the Philistines and now it’s his turn.

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by johnu1 on Feb 17, 2011 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

What I don't like is they're using the same ST caps two years in a row.

I love the 3-sizes-fits all format for my bulbous noggin, but I don’t like the style. I bought one last year and gave it to my dad. I’m still rockin the ’04 or ’05 version, all black with a red C.

by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Feb 17, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think they're the same

They’re similar, but not the same. There’s been piping on the spring training caps for the past few years, but it’s in different places each year.

Also, all the teams’ hats are similar – piping in the same places – so I suspect the designs are mandated by MLB. Even the Yankees have the piping on the ST hats, and they take pride in wearing the same uniform Babe Ruth wore.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 17, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

They're pretty weak

They look like non-licensed replica gear that cheap parents buy for their kids.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Feb 17, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

C. Trent thinks Bronson is the Opening Day starter.
Pitching: No team can match the number of middle-of-the-rotation starters the Reds boast. Bronson Arroyo — a solid No. 3 — is the team’s opening day starter. Johnny Cueto, Edinson Volquez, Homer Bailey, Travis Wood and Mike Leake are talented pitchers, but none are dominating.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/story/14668387

Granted, calling him a strong number three starter is a bit of an insult given Bronson’s consistency and health. He’s a number two and just about any team not located in Philadelphia.

by FordhamRam on Feb 17, 2011 3:54 PM EST reply actions  

No, no. I'd love to see Arroyo

swallowing my paste.

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by Pops Daniels on Feb 17, 2011 9:01 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Nah.

Hands over my eyes saying: “Pretty Girl. Pretty Girl.”

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Feb 17, 2011 9:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't get it. Was he sick or something?

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Feb 17, 2011 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

no.

it was a joke that missed.

sorry for the failed attempt at funny

by 'tHan on Feb 18, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Thank you for the apology

That’s what I was looking for in this situation.

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by nycredsfan on Feb 18, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

and rec'd

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Feb 18, 2011 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Arroyo v. Crew

only happened once last season? Seems like he mostly baffles them and throws up a clinker every 5th or 6th game. It would be a real punch in the nose to have him junking away and beat the big hoopdeedoo of the offseason.

by ol Pete on Feb 17, 2011 4:07 PM EST reply actions  

Surprised me a little bit

But yes, only once.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Feb 17, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd be shocked if it wasn't Arroyo

then again, I felt the same way about Game 1 of the LDS too

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Feb 17, 2011 4:56 PM EST reply actions  

There is no way

0% chance, none, zilch—

That Travis Wood starts on Opening Day. Experience is such a factor in this particular decision, and Wood simply doesn’t have enough compared to any of the other three starters in the running.

by ThePensive on Feb 17, 2011 4:56 PM EST reply actions  

I think he has a non-zero chance of making it

But maybe 12-1 is overstating his case. On merit, Wood has a good claim to be in the front of the Reds 2011 rotation. If he has an insane spring, he still probably isn’t the OD starter, but he could definitely jostle the rotation.

I just read that the one thing Reagan and Gorbachev agreed on is that "Cujo, you're rabid" is the best line ever said in a film. - Jon Wurster

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Feb 17, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Even solely on merit, I just don't see it

In half a season of ball last year, his ERA was barely better than Cueto’s over the entire season. I realize that Wood’s advanced metrics (K/BB, etc.) were significantly better than Cueto, but his BABIP against was also lower.

Plus, Leake turned into a pumpkin after half a season, and we just didn’t get the opportunity to see whether Wood would have as well. Part of Leake’s issues were surely fatigue, but it also simply looked as if the league had figured him out, and that might have been Wood’s story too. He had a good half-season last year, but let’s not go handing him the Opening Day ball just for that. Volquez had a terrific entire season a few years ago, and has a proven track record of success when healthy. Arroyo’s advanced stats scream #5 starter, but the man gets it done time and time again. Cueto might have the best case of all of them, given how he keeps improving from year to year and may be ready to go even further. Wood simply doesn’t have the adequate track record of either success or improvement to go on, and I think that’s what an OD starter needs.

by ThePensive on Feb 17, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

thank you thepensive

you have been saying what i have about Wood.

"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin

by justin007000 on Feb 17, 2011 9:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Leake turned into a pumkin after the first half....okay

Wood gave us his preformance after 100 innings in AAA, and his stats are almost identical from AAA to MLB.

by Eastwindquinn on Feb 17, 2011 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

but Leake faced more times multiple times than Wood

Wood faced the same team 2+ times 5 times, Leake faced 8 times 2+ times.

Also Wood only faced one team 3 times, Leake faced 4 teams 3 times.

Wood made 17 starts with a 3.51 ERA, Leake had an ERA of 3.53 after 17 starts.

And yeah Wood did have more mileage when he did that, but has had 6 professional seasons, including full season ball. Leake never made more than 18 starts a season in college ball, and usually in college ball you pitch once a week, not every 5 days.

Part of minor league pitching is not only acclimating pitchers to higher level talent, but it is also getting them use to pitching longer seasons and pitching every 5 days.

"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin

by justin007000 on Feb 17, 2011 10:16 PM EST up reply actions  

That's all well reasoned, and I like both Wood and Leake to fit into this rotation.

Except there is still no evidence that Leake tuned “into a pumpkin” in the second half or that the league figure him out. Go back and look at his starts individually from late June on.

by Brian B on Feb 18, 2011 11:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I'm looking

On the morning of June 16th, his ERA was 2.68. After that day’s 6 IP, 5 ER showing, it was 3.02. He walked 3 and struck out 4, giving up 9 hits. Not such a good start (this was on the heels of an even worse start on the 10th).

His next start, on the 21st, was good—6 IP, 1 ER. However, he walked 4 while striking out only 2, and had he been facing a better team than the lowly Oakland Athletics, he might have gotten punished harder. Good start.

To close out June, he started on the 29th against Philly and got hit hard, giving up 6 ER in 6 IP. 2 walks, 4 K’s, 2 homers allowed. His ERA at the end of June was 3.30. Poor start.

July 4th was a laugher against the Cubs. Leake allowed 3 runs on 8 hits over 6 innings as the offense took complete control (probably the most fun I’ve ever had watching a Reds game without playoff implications on TV). He struck out 5, walking only 1. Good start.

On the 9th, he started against Philly again. This time, he went into the 9th, allowing 5 ER on 9 hits. He struck out 3 and didn’t walk anybody. Not a great start, but not terrible either.

His next start was on the 20th, when he held the Nationals to 1 run in 5 innings. 3 K’s, only 1 walk. Good start, but it was the Nationals.

On the 25th, he gave up 4 runs in just over 6 innings against Houston. 3 walks and 3 strikeouts, 2 homers allowed. Mediocre start. By the end of July his ERA was 3.57—still climbing.

August was not a kind month to young Leake. On the 3rd, he gave up 0 ER in 5 innings against the Pirates—but was victimized by a 6-run 2nd inning, sparked by a Janish error. After the error though, he gave up 3 single, a double, and hit a batter before getting out of the inning. He didn’t pitch terribly, but also didn’t pitch particularly well, striking out only 2 while walking 1 over the course of the start. Mediocre start.

On the 9th, he got shelled by the Cardinals, giving up 6 ER and not getting out of the 4th. He struck out 2 and didn’t walk anybody. Poor start.

In what was to be his last start against the Marlins on the 14th, he gave up 3 runs in 6 innings, striking out 6 (tied for his highest total of the season) and walking 3. He also gave up 2 home runs. His ERA after this pretty good start was 3.78. He would go on to throw in relief for 2 games (one mediocre showing, one abysmal) before being shut down for the year.

4 good starts
3 mediocre
3 poor

Not awful. However, in 2 of his “good” starts, his ERA was over 4. In the other 2, he faced Oakland and Washington. In the 12 starts before mid-June, he had 10 good starts, and only 2 poor ones. Whether it was fatigue, the league figuring him out, or something else, his season definitely started taking a change for the worse on June 10th (when he was hit hard by the Giants, giving up 11 hits and not getting out of the 5th). Before that, his ERA was 2.22, and afterwards, it was 5.60 (and that’s not including the relief appearances).

by ThePensive on Feb 18, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

The Cardinals start was weird

Prior to the grandslam, nothing seemed like it was hit hard. There were so many balls that were finding holes, it was one of my most frustrating innings as a Reds fan.

"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin

by justin007000 on Feb 18, 2011 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

good use of "laugher"

that was such a fun game and such a great game thread.

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by Cy Schourek on Feb 19, 2011 4:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I was watching with my high-school-aged brother

By the time Stubbs hit his third, and Corky uncorked one, we were just having the time of our lives.

by ThePensive on Feb 19, 2011 4:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I was watching that game with my Cubbie-fan mother

Needless to say, I had me a good time.

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by Hawkeyegirl96 on Feb 19, 2011 8:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Yea anytime im with your mother i have a good time too ;)

sorry you left yourself wide open for that

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by smitty3 on Feb 19, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

As long as it wasn't nukkah.

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by crolfer on Feb 19, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

You have a good time with Cub fans?

Eww.

Finally, if you will permit me, I'd like to make a comment which in my mind, is indicative, perhaps, of the greater significance of football and sports emphasis in general in this country, and that is, I thank God I was warring on the gridirons of the Midwest and not on the battlefields of Europe. Nile Kinnick, 1939

by Hawkeyegirl96 on Feb 19, 2011 9:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Leake

July 9 was an excellent start. As I recall, he was left in to pitch the ninth and gave up his runs in that inning.

In those “poor” starts, he gave up all his runs in one inning, which ballooned his era. I don’t consider those bad, and I certainly don’t believe that means the league figured him out or that he got tired. It was also a concern mid summer that he was getting too much rest between starts.

by Brian B on Feb 19, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Leake

It’s a strike against him that 2 of his good starts were against Oakland and Washington, but no mention of the fact that he faced the Phillies twice? Oakland wasn’t a bad team by any means, and it was on the road.

June 29 (Philly) – Those six runs came on the two homeruns. Rhodes’ scoreless inning streak ended in this game.
July 4 (@ Cubs) – Although a laugher, the Reds scored 9 of their 14 runs after Leake was pulled.
July 9 (@ Philly) – owned Philly until he was left in too long in the 9th of what was a blowout. 4 of the 5 runs he allowed came in the 9th. Cordero blew the lead.
July 20 (WAS) – Pitched a good game but was taken out early because of the rain delay.
July 25 (HOU) - 3 of his 4 runs were given up in the 7th. Reds only gave him 3 hits as support. August 3 (PIT) – The error was on Rolen on a double play ball, then Leake hit McCutchen in the head. He was visibly shaken up after that. All 6 runs that scored that inning were unearned thanks to Rolen.
August 9 (STL) – One big inning: 7 runs scored in the 4th inning.
August 14 (FLA) – Good start.

There is nothing in there that says the league figured Leake out. He put up a lot of zeros during the time that he was supposedly turning into a pumpkin.

by Brian B on Feb 19, 2011 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

i was at that june 20th game

ridiculously long rain delay, my dad and i were 2 of about 30 people who stayed for the whole game.

"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin

by justin007000 on Feb 19, 2011 9:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Everyone putting Wood in the rotation automatically

might be in for a surprise.

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by Pops Daniels on Feb 17, 2011 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Let's play some pong for it...

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by Madville on Feb 18, 2011 6:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Pops is the last person in the world I would make an avatar bet with

well, except for maybe battlekow. You have no idea what will end up as your image if you lose.

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by Slyde on Feb 18, 2011 8:59 AM EST up reply actions  

but this is an avitar bet

completely different.

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by Cy Schourek on Feb 18, 2011 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Hmmmm.

Could be interesting.

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by Pops Daniels on Feb 18, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Arroyo is, and should be, automatically in the rotation

Same with Cueto, and with Volquez if he’s healthy. This leaves Bailey, Leake, and Wood for two spots, and I don’t see why Wood should automatically be handed one of them (if anything, Bailey should get the next “automatic” spot).

by ThePensive on Feb 19, 2011 4:42 AM EST up reply actions  

well, for one thing, Wood is a lefty, and we need one of those in the rotation

for a second thing, Wood is our best starter
for a third thing, Arroyo shouldn’t be automatically be in our rotation (but due to that Albatross of a contract, he sure as shit will be)
for a fourth thing, let Leake get some IP at LOU before Volquez either hurts himself, or we trade him

I’ve given this a lot of thought

by Highlifeman21 on Feb 19, 2011 8:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I still don't understand why everyone insists that every rotation needs a lefty

If a lefty isn’t one of your 5 best starters (and I am not saying this applies to Wood), you definitely don’t need a lefty.

by kcgard2 on Feb 19, 2011 8:50 AM EST up reply actions  

thanks for being cool

anyway, that argument just bothers me

by kcgard2 on Feb 19, 2011 9:08 AM EST up reply actions  

I can see how it bothers people

but I think you need balance in the rotation and at least 1 lefty due to the fact that other teams will have lefty batters

that’s my weak argument!

by Highlifeman21 on Feb 19, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I just really don't understand this insistence that Wood is somehow our best starter

He’s been in the majors for half a year! It’s not as if he set the world on fire—it was a good half year, sure, but it wasn’t amazing. What exactly pushes him ahead of the guys who have years of experience? Their track records say a hell of a lot more than Wood’s.

I also don’t understand the Arroyo hate. He’s probably not actually our best starter, and his peripherals aren’t great, but he’s had 6 straight years of at least 200 IP, and only once in those years was his ERA below league average. Why should he have to fight for a rotation job?

by ThePensive on Feb 19, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Wood put up solid numbers in AAA and then at the MLB level

as opposed to Leake, who ran out of gas at the MLB level the first time through the league

What sets Wood apart, in my book, is that he’s not trying to just throw the ball by hitters, he’s actually cerebral and pitching and beating guys. He’s figuring out how to beat them b/c he can’t just rear back and throw the ’ol #1.

Cueto, Volquez, Old Hoss, they have better #1s than Wood, and they rely on their heat and trying to just throw the ball by hitters at times.

Arroyo is an innings eater, junk ball pitcher, who IMO is very inconsistent and gets hit harder than it seems. He’s basically a smoke and mirrors pitcher, and my problem with Arroyo is that he’s overpaid and we could have allocated that money better. Arroyo’s a middle to back of the rotation starter, and we have better guys in our rotation than him.

by Highlifeman21 on Feb 19, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

i love it, Wood is a ceberal guy, a Tom Glavine or Greg Maddux like thinking man's pitcher

Arroyo is a junk baller.

"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin

by justin007000 on Feb 19, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Why is it that just because a pitcher has a good fastball

he’s suddenly less “cerebral” and is just trying to throw the ball by hitters? If Wood’s fastball suddenly jumped 7 MPH, would he somehow become less of a pitcher? Are you a David Eckstein fan too, because he doesn’t have all the actual skills that great players have but has somehow managed to carve out a career based on “scrappiness?”

Cueto and Bailey have both seen their H/9 and BB/9 drop the past two years, and meanwhile, Bailey managed to post the best K/9 of any of our starters last year. To say that Wood is better than either of them is a monumental leap.

by ThePensive on Feb 19, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm just saying

You’re lauding Wood for not having the same talent that our other guys do, which is the same reasoning people use for fellatiating ALS’s like Eckstein.

by ThePensive on Feb 19, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

only slightly related, but that rare combination of velocity and smarts is amazing

That is why I will always be let down that we couldn’t see what Prior could do over a 15-20 year career. He could have been the best pitcher in baseball.

"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin

by justin007000 on Feb 19, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

don't focus on fastball speed

focus on actually being a pitcher rather than a thrower

that’s why I like Wood a lot right now

by Highlifeman21 on Feb 19, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Derrick Turnbow is teh best evarr

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Feb 19, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

But why is Wood a pitcher

while our other guys are throwers? Sure, they have a better fastball and so can dial it up when they need to, but none of our pitchers who aren’t named Aroldis Chapman have the luxury of being able to absolutely overpower guys. All of them still have to focus on mixing pitches and locating.

by ThePensive on Feb 19, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

what?

prove it, aside from Bailey and volquez.

by pack_fan on Feb 20, 2011 8:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Chapman

"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin

by justin007000 on Feb 20, 2011 8:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Arroyo is definitely not a "thrower"

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Feb 20, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought that last year

Or at least, I thought the Reds would think that way.

But they surprised me, picking Leake instead of Wood.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 19, 2011 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

So after the Blue Jays extended Jose Bautista

for 5 YEARS (!!!) and $65MM it’s probably time for everyone to stop anointing Anthopoulos as the second coming of christ (on a hubcap)

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Feb 17, 2011 5:09 PM EST reply actions  

I have a feeling

They’re going to regret that contract.

Specially since he’s on the wrong side of 30.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 17, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

does he have a position?

"College actually kind of beat that out of me, making me more, well, of an asshole."

by Cy Schourek on Feb 17, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

He's a utility guy

He can play any position!

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by BubbaFan on Feb 17, 2011 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, i think they're seriously going to regret it. As early as 2012.

Guy had a freak season.

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Feb 18, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

They'll find a way to trade him to the Angels.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Feb 18, 2011 7:48 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I was prepared to defend this initially

Thinking that if Bautista comes even close to replicating his 2010, he’s going to cost much more. But I don’t see it. This deal is basically 4/56 after his final arb year, which is (exactly) Adam Dunn money. Maybe he gets that with a 30/100 year. But I don’t see the need to commit to it now. Plus, isn’t Bautista the guy that hit zero opposite field HRs? I’m not exactly sure why, but that screams fluke to me.

by ken on Feb 17, 2011 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh yeah

His HR/FB ratio was over 20%. He will never come close to that ever again.

He’s precisely the kind of player you let walk as a free agent. Ruby-encrusted outhouse…

by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 17, 2011 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

yes, that's him

What screams “fluke” to me is that he hit 54 home runs last year. The most he’s ever hit before is 16.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 17, 2011 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

To be fair, in September of 09 he hit 13 homers

So he seemed to figure something out before this year. I remember a few articles talking about how Gaston wanted his players to hit the first good pitch they saw instead of waiting for their pitch.

"Those fellas make some good points," Baker said. "They're profane as hell, and they're probably gay, but they make some good points."

Dusty Baker on RR

by DTFH91 on Feb 17, 2011 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

like a steroid connection

"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin

by justin007000 on Feb 17, 2011 9:37 PM EST up reply actions  

the entire team

went crazy with the home runs last year. They hit 257. No other team was even close. (Sox hit 211, Yanks 201.)

Even Sea Bass was on pace for the most homers he ever hit in a season, including in the minors. (17 in 85 games.) Then he was traded, and hit only 6 the rest of the year.

Be interesting to see if this keeps up next year. Or if they even want it to. Perhaps not coincidentally, they were near the bottom of the league in OBP. Is that worth hitting a buttload of home runs?

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by BubbaFan on Feb 17, 2011 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

That's true

Bautista led the team with a .378 OBP. The next closet was Fred Lewis (ha) with a .332 OBP.

"Those fellas make some good points," Baker said. "They're profane as hell, and they're probably gay, but they make some good points."

Dusty Baker on RR

by DTFH91 on Feb 17, 2011 10:07 PM EST up reply actions  

The OBP is worth pointing out

Bautistia has always drawn walks but previously didn’t make enough contact. Last year he had a league average AVG despite a really low babip (.233). I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see a slightly higher AVG, a few less walks, and a respectable HR total from him this year. Maybe .270/.370/.500. Which is pretty good, especially considering his defensive versatility.

by ken on Feb 18, 2011 8:56 AM EST up reply actions  

/BradyAnderson'd

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by jch24 on Feb 18, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

They can burn that $13 million/year and still come out ahead after what he's done

WAY ahead.

"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs

by jch24 on Feb 18, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Honestly I'd give it to Volquez or Cueto

Let Bronson start game two, since he doesn’t seem to give two shits, and he pitches better at night.

I think the energy and excitement of opening day would be good for Volquez or Cueto.

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by justin007000 on Feb 17, 2011 5:26 PM EST reply actions  

Agreed.

I’d actually like to see Johnny Cakes get the start.

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Feb 17, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

me too

it’d be fun to have him start the next 7

"College actually kind of beat that out of me, making me more, well, of an asshole."

by Cy Schourek on Feb 17, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

looking at the schedule

there are so damn many off days, he can almost start 3 of the first 7 games.

Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 17, 2011 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Another learning experience

He was so so in “big games” last year, so I would like to throw him in a big game atmosphere. I think as he gets more experience he will hopefully calm down more on the mound and will get better. Opening day would be a good learning experience for that.

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by justin007000 on Feb 17, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I think I'm with you guys on this

he was arguably our best pitcher last year

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Feb 18, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't wait

until I can watch some games at GABP.

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by hachigo! on Feb 17, 2011 6:59 PM EST reply actions  

Doesn't matter.

Joey, Jay, & the boys will be putting up a 10 spot anyway.

Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 17, 2011 7:01 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

My money's on Bronson starting on Opening Day

He was offered it the last two years, but turned it down out of respect for Harang. Plus, two years ago he threw a bullpen session on Opening Day to prove to Dick Pole he was ready to go, and last year he did the whole parade thing. This year he should be ready to go.

Is he the “Ace?” Probably not in the traditional sense, and he’s never going to throw fire but he’s the most solid and predictable pitcher on staff. There are others who will probably be better, but Volquez and Cueto are prone to jitters and Opening Day wouldn’t faze Bronson at all.

If Dusty decides not to go with Bronson, it’s probably because he wants to put him between Volquez and Cueto in the rotation. In that case, I’d guess it would be Volquez.

Finally, if you will permit me, I'd like to make a comment which in my mind, is indicative, perhaps, of the greater significance of football and sports emphasis in general in this country, and that is, I thank God I was warring on the gridirons of the Midwest and not on the battlefields of Europe. Nile Kinnick, 1939

by Hawkeyegirl96 on Feb 17, 2011 8:30 PM EST reply actions  

I don't think Arroyo was offered it in 2009

he was pretty bad in 2008, he put up his highest ERA as a Red.

"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin

by justin007000 on Feb 17, 2011 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't recall hearing he was ever offered it

Harang was the clear choice in 2009. In 2010, Arroyo said he didn’t want it before Dusty made a decision. Maybe he would have been offered it, but he cut Dusty off at the pass.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 17, 2011 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

You two are right, he wasn't offered it in 2008

For some reason I had it in my head that he was, but looking back, that was the year he had to beg to start game 3 because his wrist was all jacked up. There’s no way he would have been offered it.

Finally, if you will permit me, I'd like to make a comment which in my mind, is indicative, perhaps, of the greater significance of football and sports emphasis in general in this country, and that is, I thank God I was warring on the gridirons of the Midwest and not on the battlefields of Europe. Nile Kinnick, 1939

by Hawkeyegirl96 on Feb 18, 2011 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree hawkeye

I think dusty likes splitting voltron and cueto up so for that reason it will be voltron. If he decides he doesnt mind having them back to back it will be arroyo

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by smitty3 on Feb 18, 2011 1:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Condom Arm is predictable?

he’s predictable in that he’s unpredictable

we don’t know what he’ll give us. He’s had some legendary stinkers, and he’s had some legitimate gems, but every time he takes the hill I have no clue which Arroyo we’re getting. Goodrroyo or Badrroyo?

by Highlifeman21 on Feb 18, 2011 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Firstly, I still despise that nickname-it doesn't even make sense.

And now that he’s got his wrist thing under control, Goodroyo shows up a lot more than Badroyo. Is he going to stink up a couple of games? Sure. But he’s still going to throw a solid 200+ innings, have a 4-ish ERA, and rely on defense but still manage to get people out. You can also count on him to put up a good showing if the last couple of pitchers have stunk it up and got the team reeling.

I’m a lot more anxious when Cueto and Volquez climb the hill than when Bronson does.

Finally, if you will permit me, I'd like to make a comment which in my mind, is indicative, perhaps, of the greater significance of football and sports emphasis in general in this country, and that is, I thank God I was warring on the gridirons of the Midwest and not on the battlefields of Europe. Nile Kinnick, 1939

by Hawkeyegirl96 on Feb 19, 2011 8:55 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

don't blame me, blame Mads

and there’s a good chance I won’t watch games Arroyo starts this year

by Highlifeman21 on Feb 19, 2011 9:03 AM EST up reply actions  

I understand irrational hatred of a player-I wish harm upon Homer Bailey and hope the Reds get rid of him or he doesn't make the team

But the whole condom arm nickname doesn’t make sense, and despite his inconsistencies, I’m still more confident with Arroyo on the mound then I am with Volquez or Cueto.

And I refuse to watch that snotty little shit Bailey pretend that he knows how to play baseball.

Finally, if you will permit me, I'd like to make a comment which in my mind, is indicative, perhaps, of the greater significance of football and sports emphasis in general in this country, and that is, I thank God I was warring on the gridirons of the Midwest and not on the battlefields of Europe. Nile Kinnick, 1939

by Hawkeyegirl96 on Feb 19, 2011 9:42 PM EST up reply actions  

well i mean

when you are the class of your state at age 17, have an ERA below one, and are striking out 2 batters an inning, it makes you think highly of yourself.

I think getting the kick shitted out of him has been good for him. He seems to have a different attitude now than he did in 2007 and 2008.

"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin

by justin007000 on Feb 19, 2011 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

It did some, but he still refuses to take direction from the trainers and coaching staff

I have no respect for any athlete who refuses to make himself better. Homer Bailey is still generally a terrible pitcher with bursts of brillance that he refuses to develop.

Finally, if you will permit me, I'd like to make a comment which in my mind, is indicative, perhaps, of the greater significance of football and sports emphasis in general in this country, and that is, I thank God I was warring on the gridirons of the Midwest and not on the battlefields of Europe. Nile Kinnick, 1939

by Hawkeyegirl96 on Feb 19, 2011 9:59 PM EST up reply actions  

i didn't really see that last year

last year was a year mostly lost to an injury. He started out slow, put together a string of good starts and missed three months, and was neither good nor bad.

I will always have an biased judgment on Homer because i want him to be the pitcher we thought we had 4 years ago.

"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin

by justin007000 on Feb 20, 2011 1:29 AM EST up reply actions  

he also took lehr's advice on the splitter

I think a lot of coaches probably aren’t really that good, and Homer doesn’t respect a coach simply because they are a coach.

"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin

by justin007000 on Feb 20, 2011 1:37 AM EST up reply actions  

do you have any source that says he refuses to take direction?

He has developed 2 new pitches, and I’m sure he didn’t learn them from youtube…

"College actually kind of beat that out of me, making me more, well, of an asshole."

by Cy Schourek on Feb 20, 2011 4:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree, and I will be using "got the kick shitted out of him" every chance I get

"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs

by jch24 on Feb 19, 2011 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

that one was actually on purpose.

"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin

by justin007000 on Feb 20, 2011 1:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I figured, still love it

"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs

by jch24 on Feb 20, 2011 2:14 AM EST up reply actions  

"Lifestyle"

"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin

by justin007000 on Feb 19, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

As discomforting as it is

it’s probably the most inspired nickname RR has come up with in a while.

Aside from Rold Gold, natch.

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by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 19, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

there's been a few I liked

Old Hoss, Johnye Cuest haven’t become as huge as I’d have liked. I guess “Death to Flying Things” Dickerson is now out of the running.

My real goal right now is to get Texarkana Slim up and running.

"College actually kind of beat that out of me, making me more, well, of an asshole."

by Cy Schourek on Feb 20, 2011 4:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Eh

It’s too crude to be used as a regular nickname.

by ken on Feb 19, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

You mean in general?

Because it’s certainly not too crude for ’round these parts.

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by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 19, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

It's just awkward word usage

I don’t have a problem with crude nicknames, that one just doesn’t sound right.

Finally, if you will permit me, I'd like to make a comment which in my mind, is indicative, perhaps, of the greater significance of football and sports emphasis in general in this country, and that is, I thank God I was warring on the gridirons of the Midwest and not on the battlefields of Europe. Nile Kinnick, 1939

by Hawkeyegirl96 on Feb 19, 2011 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

It sounds awful. But it’s still brilliant.

Press spacebar to die!

by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 19, 2011 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Not as a one off

I guess I meant there’s diminishing returns on the shock level.

by ken on Feb 20, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually, we're usually accusing him of having some STD, which means that he doesn't use condoms

Just sayin’

Finally, if you will permit me, I'd like to make a comment which in my mind, is indicative, perhaps, of the greater significance of football and sports emphasis in general in this country, and that is, I thank God I was warring on the gridirons of the Midwest and not on the battlefields of Europe. Nile Kinnick, 1939

by Hawkeyegirl96 on Feb 19, 2011 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

well i mean if he puts them on his arm

it probably won’t prevent him from getting STDs.

Also if he took my high school sex ed class he would have learned that condoms are useless, so bad you mightaswell not use one because the only safe sex is no sex.

"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin

by justin007000 on Feb 19, 2011 9:50 PM EST up reply actions  

leave room for the holy spirit

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Feb 20, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I like it, too

It’s a bit crude, but not so crude you can’t use it in mixed company.

And he does have a rubber arm, and reputation for, well, needing a lot of condoms, so it makes sense to me.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 19, 2011 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

explain how the tides go in and out.

"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin

by justin007000 on Feb 20, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Slowly

"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs

by jch24 on Feb 20, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

no

God

"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin

by justin007000 on Feb 20, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I put bread in the toaster and toast comes out.

EXPLAIN THAT!

Don't do crack, drink chocolate milk and enjoy every moment.

by -ManBearPig on Feb 20, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

God

"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin

by justin007000 on Feb 20, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I throw something up in the air

and it magically falls back down. Explain that!

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Feb 20, 2011 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

the earth sucks

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by BubbaFan on Feb 20, 2011 8:16 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I've seen some really inspired work around here lately

but this is some really elite stuff right here.

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by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 20, 2011 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Oooooooooh.

I smell an overcompensating and macho speed pitch challenge a’brewin’
I’m in!

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Feb 20, 2011 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Chicken? Egg?

Explain that.

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by johnu1 on Feb 20, 2011 11:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I would like to take this opportunity to retire from the RR Speed Pitch league due to injuries and a foreboding sense of loss

"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs

by jch24 on Feb 21, 2011 9:14 AM EST up reply actions  

between this and Helen Frank

you’ve been doing good work.

"College actually kind of beat that out of me, making me more, well, of an asshole."

by Cy Schourek on Feb 21, 2011 4:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Rockapella.

"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin

by justin007000 on Feb 20, 2011 8:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I have 4 screw holes

and 6 screws. The device is all but finished.
Explain that.

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by johnu1 on Feb 20, 2011 9:10 PM EST up reply actions  

penus

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by justin007000 on Feb 20, 2011 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Rockapella is amazing.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Feb 20, 2011 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

rockapenus is better

"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs

by jch24 on Feb 21, 2011 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Bronson or Cueto

But in reality I dont care. All I hope for is Greinke to be filled with too much anxiety all season to be effective. I hope hes rattled and gives up 73 homers in the first inning before being pulled.

He called me a baboon, he thinks I'm his wife.

by ThreeofSpades on Feb 17, 2011 8:40 PM EST reply actions  

One has to think . . .

that by homer #60 or so, the opposing manager just might make a call to the bullpen. I’m just throwing that out there . . . :)

by rorschach1979 on Feb 17, 2011 9:20 PM EST up reply actions  

cmonnnn

bad karma to wish anxiety on another player when we have a guy who has fallen victim to it in the past

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Feb 18, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

indeed

the rest of what he was hoping for is fine by me though

by pack_fan on Feb 18, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

very much so

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Feb 20, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

arroyo safe bet

being a workhorse might be more important to #1 starter over 162 game season. might help reds get more wins

by cokane on Feb 17, 2011 9:24 PM EST reply actions  

Chapman will be the opening day starter

throw a no hitter…strikeout 22 batters, walk one and throw a pitch 108 mph……at least I would hope that would happen.

Consume excrement and expire......

by adaircam4 on Feb 17, 2011 10:31 PM EST reply actions  

That's ridiculous

He’d have 25 strikeouts, at least

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by BK on Feb 17, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

That's ridiculous

He’ll have 34 strikeouts

(Hernandez will keep dropping called third strikes)

"Those fellas make some good points," Baker said. "They're profane as hell, and they're probably gay, but they make some good points."

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by DTFH91 on Feb 17, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

That's ridiculous.

Hanigan will be the catcher.

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Feb 18, 2011 9:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Not for Chapman

Hernandez speaks Spanish, dumbass.

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by Slyde on Feb 18, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

That's ridiculous

Chapman speaks Cuban.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Feb 18, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

No, no.

You’re thinking of the blue dudes from Avatar.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Feb 18, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure AnDora speaks a lot of languages

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Feb 18, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Hernández habla español, dumbass

FTFY

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by jch24 on Feb 18, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank God baseball is here...

I’m real excited about this years baseball. I’m a die hard Reds fan ever since 1963 and I live in Dallas and follow the Texas Rangers…. both won last year! I love our everyday players, but I’m suspect of the rotation. While it has some youth and potential, I’m disappointed that we didn’t go after a true #1 type starter. Our rotation showed weakness in the playoffs and the Phils and other teams have gotten stronger. Our division is going to be tough and everone guns for last years champs. I’m still not sold on Volquez… I still have dreams of a lineup with Hamilton, Jay and Drew in the OF… that would be the best in baseball. In fact, Ranger fans still thank me for the Reds giving them Hamilton and taking Volquez.

by Texas Bengal on Feb 19, 2011 5:08 PM EST reply actions  

Hi, Hello, and Welcome to the most profane Reds community that isn't a hardcore porn site.

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by justin007000 on Feb 19, 2011 6:19 PM EST up reply actions  

...most of the time

thanks, battlekow.

"College actually kind of beat that out of me, making me more, well, of an asshole."

by Cy Schourek on Feb 20, 2011 4:44 AM EST up reply actions  

novelty.

"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin

by justin007000 on Feb 20, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm a Volquez believer

I think he’ll be fine this year, if not really really good. I worry more about Wood than Volquez.

"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs

by jch24 on Feb 19, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm actually worried about both

as much as I like to go on about pitching depth, there are tons of question marks. Bronson is perpetually one step away from above average innings eater to batting practice, Wood and Leake have not put together a full season at the big leagues, Homer Bailey is just an enigma, and Cueto has missed parts of 2 seasons with arm issues.

"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin

by justin007000 on Feb 19, 2011 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

and i forgot to mention Volquez put together a great half season, a mediocre half season

and had arm surgery.

"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin

by justin007000 on Feb 19, 2011 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

He's right.

Volquez haz moar loosez in hiz career!!!!1

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Feb 20, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Hi, hello, and welcome

Dallas! The Kansas of Texas!

I kid, I kid, I’m a huge fan of the place. When’s Neftali becoming your ace?

"College actually kind of beat that out of me, making me more, well, of an asshole."

by Cy Schourek on Feb 20, 2011 4:46 AM EST up reply actions  

This isn't what we all agreed upon last week

we all said Dallas sucked.
We agreed and gave it the double-secret handshake.

Red Reporter: A Cincinnati Reds' fan Community Compose of a Bunch of Profane Motherfuckers since February 9th, 2005.

by johnu1 on Feb 20, 2011 9:11 PM EST up reply actions  

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