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"What it did," said Harang, "is fatigue me beyond the point of recovery. I started to change my arm angle to compensate for the fatigue and that’s when my forearm started to bother me."

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that Harang’s pitching mechanics have been out of whack ever since, even after he recovered from injury….

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by cesarhernandez on Feb 12, 2011 11:25 AM EST reply actions  

I really like this

Harang has some kid in him. He convinced Jennifer that buying a remote-control car was a good investment because Addison would get some exercise by chasing the car and turning it over when Harang made it crash

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by justin007000 on Feb 12, 2011 3:35 PM EST reply actions  

err
Harang has some kid in him. He convinced Jennifer that buying a remote-control car was a good investment because Addison would get some exercise by chasing the car and turning it over when Harang made it crash

"I can’t imagine playing anywhere else. I enjoy myself. I can’t imagine being with a better team."

-Joey Votto

by justin007000 on Feb 12, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

it's kind of stunning

That he would have to get his wife’s permission. An RC car is a few hundred bucks at most. Pocket change to the likes of Harang.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 12, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I have to get my wife's permission to play Jarts with the neighbor's dog...

Makes sense to me

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by Madville on Feb 13, 2011 8:46 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Wha-chhhhhh

(that’s the sound of a whip cracking)

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by crolfer on Feb 13, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

This article made me sad for a lot of reasons

1) I’m sad that Harang didn’t really get to partake in the success of last year
2) I’m sad that his struggles the last 2 years weren’t necessary
3) I’m sad that it’s (mostly) Dusty’s fault, because I want to like him and don’t want more reasons why he sucks.

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by nycredsfan on Feb 12, 2011 9:34 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

rec'd

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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 14, 2011 1:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I"m sad that I just completely lost all respect for Aaron Harang. Ok, I’m not really sad. But this really sounds like sour grapes here. Definitely didn’t think he would take this road, it does no one any good saying this.

by homerun21 on Feb 13, 2011 4:56 AM EST reply actions  

really?

the story is pretty precious

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by Cy Schourek on Feb 13, 2011 5:03 AM EST up reply actions  

good thing aaron

IS ALSO A GIRLS NAME…NOW CHANGE YOUR TAMPON AND GO PITCH…just saying

by joeb69 on Feb 15, 2011 9:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I've never met a girl named Aaron before

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by BK on Feb 15, 2011 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

joeb69 probably should have checked closer...

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by crolfer on Feb 16, 2011 8:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure what I think about this

On the one hand, 60 pitches as a relief pitcher seems like a lot for a starter who’s still pitching his regular starts.

OTOH, I find it hard to believe it would screw him up for three years. And even if that was the reason…what makes him think he can fix it now?

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by BubbaFan on Feb 13, 2011 6:20 AM EST up reply actions  

It may have changed his mechanics just a bit

watching video from 2007 he would throw 89 MPH fastballs over the plate and batters would swing right through them. Maybe his arm angle changed so batters could see the ball out of his hand.

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by justin007000 on Feb 13, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

what makes him think he can fix it now?

he has to believe that, or the only reason he is still pitching is to collect a pay check. Every “down on their luck” athlete who had past greatness but recent struggles believes he can fix it; most cannot actually fix their problems. I do not believe that he will ever repeat 2005-2007, I think 2009 is the best he can reasonably hope for, because he is at an age where he would probably begin to fall off regardless of past use.

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by justin007000 on Feb 13, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Why is this a surprise?

hasn’t the collective Red Reporter been blaming Dusty for ruining Harang since that outing? I’m pretty sure if we went back to the game thread several of us predicted it.

I understand why Harang would say this & I don’t blame him.

by 'tHan on Feb 13, 2011 9:19 AM EST reply actions  

id like to see a thread on all predictions made on RR

A
Anyone predict votto would be a mvp when he was a prospect?

Anyone predict UK to win last years march madness?

Etc

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by Ewok on Feb 13, 2011 6:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I keep predicting

that Dewey Gore will defeat Truman Bush.

I think when all the votes are counted, this may indeed be the case.

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by johnu1 on Feb 13, 2011 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

really doesn't matter

they are both worthless shit.

"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin

by justin007000 on Feb 13, 2011 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Dewey and Truman, both?

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by johnu1 on Feb 13, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

yes

"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin

by justin007000 on Feb 13, 2011 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Hell, put Blago in!

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by johnu1 on Feb 13, 2011 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

at least he is openly corrupt.

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by justin007000 on Feb 13, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Blago is NOT corrupt

He has been misled, mistreated and deceived.
He is doing the right thing.
He is.

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by johnu1 on Feb 13, 2011 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

and Mary was a virgin.

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by justin007000 on Feb 13, 2011 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I have a vague idea

that at least one of us is wrong here.

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by johnu1 on Feb 13, 2011 8:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I was right

about Miguel Cairo being a serviceable bench guy. And about C-Dick being 1) injured 2) sucky and 2) a jerk.

I was totally wrong about the division standings. I did not think the Reds had a chance last year. I thought this was gonna be their year.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 13, 2011 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

it's been a while since that game .... but what other choice did dusty have?

tell his boys to blow the game cause they were out of pitchers?
send mark berry out there?
give the ball to adam dunn and instruct him not to kill anyone?

seriously, refresh my memory. did we have other pitching options available?

cubs fans blame dusty for this type of shit, and i’m not a cubs fan.

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by joshuar9476 on Feb 13, 2011 9:41 AM EST reply actions  

Paul Janish!

Actually, Janish hit a 2-RBI single in the 11th, as a pinch-hitter. Put the Reds up by 2, but the Padres answered in the bottom of the inning. (Shoulda left Janish in on D!)

It was quite a game. 18 innings.

Roster construction might have been the real problem. Matt Belisle only went 4 innings, and the Reds didn’t have a long man. Harang had to pitch, and so did Volquez.

While no one expects 18 inning games, you really need to have a long man, especially with guys like Belisle on the mound. There was a good chance he’d get the hook early, based on previous performance.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 13, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

yabbit, he threw 39 pitches.

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by johnu1 on Feb 13, 2011 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd let him go 4 times as far if necessary

and after that, I’d tell him to just throw knuckleballs or something, it’s not like he woulda been any worse.

Dusty messed up in that SD game. Many many people said so even as it was happening, so it’s not hindsight talking.

by kcgard2 on Feb 13, 2011 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I think my attempt at humor ...

was treated like a Frog fastball.

I vaguely recall listening to part of it on the way home from work.

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by johnu1 on Feb 13, 2011 8:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Dusty was trying to win the game

As I recall, some of us in the game thread thought Dusty should just forfeit the game, rather than ruin the pen and the starters trying to win. But of course, he couldn’t do that. With the game tied, he had to keep trying to win.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 13, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

He could have skipped Harang's next turn in the rotation though

I can’t remember, but was there a specific reason why Harang pitched on his normal schedule?

by Brendanukkah on Feb 13, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I can't remember

Did Belisle beat out Fogg for the fifth starter role that year? I thought Fogg was a starter for some reason.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 13, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Fogg was a starter for most of the season

He pitched in 22 games for the Reds and started 14 of them. Belisle started the year as the fifth man and made six starts. His final game pitched of the season was that one against San Diego. He must have gotten hurt and that’s why he only went 4.1 innings. Fogg also started the season in the rotation and made three pretty crappy starts. He went to the bullpen, then started again on May 31, his next appearance after pitching ineffective relief against the Padres. He only made one more appearance out of the bullpen the rest of the year.

by Brendanukkah on Feb 13, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

so was someone injured?

Cueto, Volquez, Arroyo, Harang, Fogg, Belisle. That’s a six man rotation.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 13, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

no, Fogg sucked

Belisle missed the start of the season do to a spring training injury and he threw three dominant rehab starts, and Volquez-esque type of rehab, and really with how well he pitched in his minor league rehab and how terrible Fogg was in the big leagues left the Reds with now choice. Fogg was demoted to the bullpen.

I even made a fanpost about it.

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by justin007000 on Feb 13, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

my link also shows how wrong I was about Belisle...

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by justin007000 on Feb 13, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

Fogg Belisle sucked.

Wait … Fogg AND Belisle sucked.

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by johnu1 on Feb 13, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

OMG

Coffey
Lincoln
Fogg
Belisle

my wildest nightmares go flying before my eyes.
Death to flying things!

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by johnu1 on Feb 13, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

if he pitched 14 games as a starter

He must not have been in the pen long.

And man, that was quick. May is still pretty early in the season.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 13, 2011 7:57 PM EST up reply actions  

And ... wasn't

the Frog consigned to the bullpen toward the end of the year, told to do nothing except sit there?

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by johnu1 on Feb 13, 2011 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

i thought he got hurt or something

my memory on this is ironically Foggy.

I do remember I watched him pitch a good game and beat the Brewers in Milwuakee.

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by justin007000 on Feb 13, 2011 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I was only partially paying attention

my interest in the Reds was only rekindled after the 09 season. Mostly I just read the box scores and shrugged.

(((( ** ))))

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by johnu1 on Feb 13, 2011 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

That is not irony

Or even if I just like such as judged a fish contest that would get me outta the house and in some air.

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Feb 14, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow a person with more of a horse face than Sarah Jessica Parker...wow just wow

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by Madville on Feb 14, 2011 11:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Dr. Serizawa: "If my device can serve a good purpose, i would announce it to everyone in the world! But in its current form, it's just a weapon of horrible destruction. Please understand, Ogata!"
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by Madville on Feb 15, 2011 5:17 AM EST up reply actions  

oh, i misread this

my apologies, Belisle really sucked and was demoted before June.

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by justin007000 on Feb 13, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

oh, right, didn't see you said this

i don’t think there was a reason he didn’t skip a start.

by Daedalus on Feb 14, 2011 7:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I may have been one of the ones suggesting that someone groove a pitch, a la Ryan Franklin

And if I wasn’t in that game, I became someone who says those things after that game. To my mind, the reward of prolonging a game for a single victory isn’t worth screwing over the team in the games that follow.

Of course, having said that, the Reds won five of the next six after that game. And last season, after the Cardinals lost a 20 inning game to the Mets, they won three of the next four. So perhaps Dusty knows more than I do in this case. Except when it comes to ruining your ace pitcher.

by Brendanukkah on Feb 13, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Volquez also pitched relief in that game

The biggest culprits were really the people that had pitched earlier. David Weathers gave up a game-tying run in the eighth inning, and after the Reds went ahead in the ninth, Coco Cordero allowed a game-tying run as well. The Reds scored two runs in the top of the eleventh. Dusty made his crucial error in the bottom of the eleventh. He turned the game over to Josh Fogg. At that point, the Reds had a lead, and the game needed to be closed out. Matt Belisle was the starter that day and only lasted 4.1 innings, so most of the effective “firemen” had already been used. However, Bill Bray was still available. Fogg’s role, in an extra inning game, should have been as a long man, capable of eating innings while the score was tied. Instead, Dusty turned the two run lead over to Fogg, who promplty surrendered two runs, and only managed to last 0.2 innings. It was precisely the wrong way to use Fogg, and the game was prolonged. Bray came in, closed out the 11th and pitched the 12th. Then Harang went his four innings. Let’s remember, though, that in those four innings, Harang struck out nine men. Incredible!

A tip of the hat to Josh Banks as well. The rookie pitched the final six innings for San Diego, the most any pitcher threw that day, and held the Reds scoreless.

by Brendanukkah on Feb 13, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

FWIW

Fogg didn’t actually surrender the lead, that was Bray, it was just credited to Fogg. This was the problem. Either Bray should have started the inning or Fogg should have finished it. What’s weird is Fogg allowed 2 singles and then SD bunted and Fogg got a week ground out to give up a run. Dusty didn’t want Fogg to face Brian Giles, mainly because Giles hit Fogg well during their careers (in 28 PA). The really shitty thing is that if Bray had just gotten GIles out like he was supposed to (he doubled), the game would have been over.

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by Slyde on Feb 13, 2011 7:05 PM EST up reply actions  

It's worthwhile to note that the sun was so brutal late in the game that almost no one could see the ball well enough to hit it.

Foog should have been used later, as many of us said at the time, and if no one could see the ball, then Janish might have been a better option than Voltron.

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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 14, 2011 1:06 AM EST up reply actions  

But Janish had already been burned in the 11th

pinch-hitting for CoCo. He hit the go-ahead 2-RBI single.

They were as short of position players as they were of pitchers. Arroyo was used a pinch-hitter in that game. (He singled in the 13th.)

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by BubbaFan on Feb 14, 2011 6:22 AM EST up reply actions  

as much as i hate to use TLR as an example of a good manager...

The Cards and Mets went 20 in April and after TLR emptied his bullpen he used position players for 3 innings of work. No starters pitched for him, he lost the game but he didn’t destroy any arms in the process.

Dusty misused Fogg, he put in Fogg before he used Bray, and Fogg was the long man. Fogg got into trouble and Bray came in, Bray exited, and the bullpen was depleted. Dusty should have lived and died with Fogg, I would have had no problem with allowing Fogg to throw 400 pitches as his arm was of little importance. Harang was pressed into service. I would have used a position player, because that game was not terribly important (the reds were already out of the race) and the future of Harang (who the Reds owed a lot of money) was more important than winning that game.

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by justin007000 on Feb 13, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

actually, if the Reds ...

had scored 9 runs in the first and 8 more in the third, this would be an academic discussion.

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by johnu1 on Feb 13, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

or if the padres scored more runs before the end of the 9th

i don’t really get what you are saying.

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by justin007000 on Feb 13, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

well, I was rooting for the Reds to win

but whatever ….

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by johnu1 on Feb 13, 2011 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree. FeLo actually had a scoreless inning that game.

Sometimes it’s best to lose the battle to win the war. As others have mentioned, at the very least Harang should’ve been skipped.

by ken on Feb 14, 2011 8:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought he went on the DL with a strained neck tattoo

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by jch24 on Feb 14, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

You're thinking of Jon Rauch.

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by crolfer on Feb 15, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

And then the Cardinals went on to lose the division

:)

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by TheC on Feb 14, 2011 9:02 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

no choice (thanks to poor choices earlier)

but there was a definite choice to pitch him on his normal day after that. he should have skipped a start.

by Daedalus on Feb 14, 2011 7:23 AM EST up reply actions  

FWIW

This is generally about blaming Baker and the fact of the lie is that people who want to condemn him conveniently overlook other data as a way of supporting their claim.

Tony LaRussa ruined more pitchers than Baker did.
So probably did Sparky.
Nobody bothers to look it up.

Harang just dropped a couple of notches on the respect ladder.

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by johnu1 on Feb 13, 2011 1:27 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I am also still waiting to see

if Harang recants on some of this, being “misquoted.”

In any event, Evan Brunnell won’t report that because he took a few comments and concluded on his own, that another arm was sadly ruined by Baker.

He bought into the masturbatory lie that Cubs media keep pawning off to justify the reality that you can’t win with your hands wrapped around your throat.

All the same, the legend lives.

Fuck Aaron Harang and fuck the CBS “journalist” who concocted his own truth because it was a nice way to sum up an obtuse interview with a washed-up pitcher.

I am no Baker lover but I really got tired of this pissy lie about 5 years ago, living here in the Chicago media shadow.

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by johnu1 on Feb 13, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Now, I see, having read this 2 places

Brunnell stole the story from the San Diego writer.
That makes it even more egregious.

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by johnu1 on Feb 13, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

i don't see alot of anger from Harang

he didn’t say Dusty Baker, Dick Pole, Walt Jockety, and/or the Cincinnati Reds fucked up his arm.

He says the way he was used was, which is slightly different. In 2008 Harang was a veteran, the staff ace, a known innings eater, and a pitcher who almost always took the ball every 5 days, and a hard worker. I doubt the discussion about Harang’s next start didn’t include Harang at some level. Walt, Dick, and Dusty probably asked Harang if he was good to go or if they needed to get somebody else to take his next start. Harang being a professional athlete whom until that time had little problem with injuries told them he was okay to go.

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by justin007000 on Feb 13, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Whatever. Props to Harang for waiting until he was with a different team to say his piece.

If he had said that he wondered if Dusty Baker screwed him up because of Dusty’s “reputation” that might merit a “fuck you”, but he never blames anyone, and points to a specific event, and describes how that led to some of his issues. He’s allowed to think that, and he’s allowed to tell that to an interviewer. Don’t blame him for the giant chip on your shoulder.

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by andromache on Feb 13, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Fine, I let Harang off the hook

I still think he will wish he hadn’t said any of this.
I guess my problem with all this is maybe, yes, the attitude of the CBS blogger who came to his own conclusion about how “sadly,” Dusty had ruined still another pitcher. The blogger just quoted the S.D. news report and came to his own rationale.

Brunell has written that he wants no more do with the debate, because he is convinced he has evidence to prove he is correct, though he insists it’s “Google” -able for the rest of us. He spits out a one-sided opinion and walks away from it.

Baker is never contacted for comment.
That truly sucks.

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by johnu1 on Feb 13, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

And to be fair - I also thought Brunell's version with the suggestive "may have claimed another victim" was pretty shitty reporting.

But I don’t think that reflects on Harang, considering the statement he gave to the San Diego writer – where neither the quote nor that article mentions Dusty or management at all.

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by andromache on Feb 13, 2011 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree'd

Harang may have been the latest victim of telling a reporter something without fully realizing what the blogosphere can do to it.

But the nature of the San Diego report was that Harang was getting a new start in his home town. So that was fair.

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by johnu1 on Feb 13, 2011 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Brunnell is a blogger

He ran MVN before it went tits up. My entire experience working with him there is that he was a hack. No idea how he got a real job with a legitimate news organization.

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by Slyde on Feb 13, 2011 7:07 PM EST up reply actions  

CBS has a couple of so-so hacks

Danny Knobler is pretty lame. He will only quote people after they’ve been quoted by real news outlets. The rest of the time, he relies on “one well-connected scout said” or “another insider said” to support his stories, pretending that he’s actually getting quotes from them.

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by johnu1 on Feb 13, 2011 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Harang said the same thing to Chris Welsh

I heard Welsh say in a number of games that Harang told him after the relief appearance he “couldn’t get his legs under him” which caused other problems.

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by justin007000 on Feb 13, 2011 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

but again Harang never blamed anyone in particular.

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by justin007000 on Feb 13, 2011 6:24 PM EST up reply actions  

RijoSabes -

I’ve read of number of folks refer to it as GASP. I think it’s obvious and lazy.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 13, 2011 6:20 PM EST reply actions  

How about "Great American LAWL Park"?

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by andromache on Feb 13, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Great Uhmerican Lawl Park

Better abbreviation.

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by crolfer on Feb 13, 2011 7:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I call it the GASP at times

I have often been ridiculed for a lot less than this.

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by johnu1 on Feb 13, 2011 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

We could rename the place

Call it “Riverfront.”

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by johnu1 on Feb 13, 2011 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

or in my world "raining".

"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin

by justin007000 on Feb 14, 2011 1:43 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

My Respect for Harang . . . remains the same.

Nowhere in this article does he call out Dusty or question the decision to use him in the game. I’d be concerned if he said, “ya know what? Dusty ruined my career. Thanks, Skip.” He doesn’t assign blame and he didn’t say he went into the game over his personal objections. He’s simply saying that the appearance completely changed his physical mechanics and his mental outlook.

Nothing during his tenure as a Red, from leading Aaron’s Aces on a stunningly mediocre team to his performances during last year’s run, changes my view that he’s a great guy . . . which makes his problems all the more frustrating as a fan.

I hope he can get right with a new pitching coach and proceed to come in second in Cy Young voting to Volquez this year. After that, he can be the NLDS MVP after falling to the Reds in the NLCS in 7 games.

by FordhamRam on Feb 13, 2011 6:50 PM EST reply actions  

Having read this three times

… I agree, that I will pull back on my criticism of Harang generally.

I get it now that it must be terribly frustrating to suddenly not be able to master a craft, when it’s probably something so very minor that needs to be changed. Makes you appreciate the difference between top MLB pitchers and the guys who are on the roster at Catawumpus.

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by johnu1 on Feb 13, 2011 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

This is how I feel.

Maybe, maaaybe, if this was coming from a guy who was known for whining to the press all the time, I’d be more down on this, but Harang has been a class act from start to finish with us.

"there no countrey called west xylophone" Youtube

by andromache on Feb 13, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Second that emotion

but as long as we’re on that flight of fantasy, I’m having the Reds sweep the Padres.

Need the number of that store where they make ceramics in an oven made out of damaged circus supplies. It's called Rumpled Stilts Kiln. - Jon Wurster

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Feb 13, 2011 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually

I would rather sweep the Padres first, then the Fillies.
Or any other order would be OK.
How about letting the WLB’s finish second and meet us as the wild-card.
We can sweep them.

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by johnu1 on Feb 13, 2011 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Who knows, but having a former pitcher as a manager might help

Black has a great track record so far with a relatively unheralded staff.

by ken on Feb 14, 2011 8:38 AM EST up reply actions  

So... Are any of you guys writing textbooks at some point?

If so, try not to follow in the genius footsteps of Dr. Bert L. Bohmont. Directly from the book (a pesticides book, I might add):

“The second law of thermodynamics states: For every action in the universe there is an equal and opposite reaction. This concept applies equally to wildlife damage control.”

Anyone want to point out the problem with this?

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Feb 13, 2011 8:25 PM EST reply actions  

This textbook is a joke

I’ve found so many inaccuracies. Half of this text is just complete bullshit. I just think it’s hilarious that he tries to show how smart he is by making a completely unnecessary comparison to thermodynamics… and he’s so far off base, it’s not even funny.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Feb 13, 2011 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess my next question is ...

does anybody else besides you read the textbook?

I know that in my 16 or so years in school, I never did.

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by johnu1 on Feb 14, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

depends on teh book

i rarely read the survey texts, but i usually read the more advanced books.

"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin

by justin007000 on Feb 14, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

is...

this it?

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Feb 14, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Ding ding.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Feb 15, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

it's a book about green worms.

It’s a cookbook!!!!!

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by johnu1 on Feb 14, 2011 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

fucking worthless academics.

"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin

by justin007000 on Feb 13, 2011 9:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually make about $10 a month

on some porn novels that I wrote about 8 years ago. I get a royalty check every 3 months.

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by johnu1 on Feb 13, 2011 9:17 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Isaac Newton hangs his head in shame.

Then throws an apple at Dr. Bohmont’s head.

"Red Reporter - An elitist clique full of like-minded douchebags." - BK

by ZJiff30 on Feb 13, 2011 9:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Which Bohmont probably shoots with some worthless chemicals

And still gets smacked in the face. With a now toxic apple.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Feb 13, 2011 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

But Newton is wrong about there being an ether through which the apple traveled...

…not realizing Einstein’s relativity influences and the light quadra involved.

"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

by PeteyHendrix on Feb 14, 2011 1:13 AM EST up reply actions  

rec'd!

love it love it love it!!!

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by johnu1 on Feb 14, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

I have no problem with any of this

Mainly because of how fucking stupid it was to throw a starter 4 innings of relief then start him again on 3 days rest.

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Feb 13, 2011 9:58 PM EST reply actions  

I think I mixed up the days of rest

But whatever…and Volquez shouldn’t have putched either.

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Feb 13, 2011 9:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Fuzzy Memory

but didn’t Dusty also do the same thing to Elizardo Ramirez?

by 'tHan on Feb 14, 2011 8:45 AM EST reply actions  

That was Narron

The day before a start in August, Lizard got the loss throwing in the last inning of a 14 inning game in Philly (Harang had actually pitched the preceding inning). The next day’s start was his last appearance for the year. I think I was at both games.

by ken on Feb 14, 2011 9:04 AM EST up reply actions  

you got to see Chris Micalickickickick in the flesh!

"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin

by justin007000 on Feb 14, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I was also at both games

2006.

August 11 & 12.

Lizazrd got the loss in the 14th inning facing 5 batters

Lizard pitched all of 1 1/3 IP, giving up 5 earned facing 10 batters

Boy do I have stories about this series and getting heckled by Phillies Phans…. thankfully I had 5 buddies in town visiting me, so we didn’t have bad numbers, but we certainly didn’t have good numbers, and I got my favorite Reds hat stolen right off my head (may that hat rest in peace)

by Highlifeman21 on Feb 14, 2011 9:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Great American Small Park

Could be worse, I have heard that players refer to Miller Park as the Iron Vagina.

by backtocali on Feb 14, 2011 9:41 AM EST reply actions  

/rihanna'd

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Feb 14, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

yeah, that would be worse.

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by johnu1 on Feb 14, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

hey everyone!

Pitchers and catchers report today!! BASEBALL!

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Feb 14, 2011 10:30 AM EST reply actions  

The Yankees do, anyway

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Feb 14, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Reds do it officially on Wednesday

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Feb 14, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

CP

I think we’re all missing the important thing about the box score from that game. CP sure was a beast

            Hitters AB R H RBI BB SO LOB AVG
C Patterson CF 8 0 0 0 0 3 4 .201

by ledman24 on Feb 14, 2011 10:56 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

From that line, it looks like he struck out 201 times.

I think if that game had kept going on another few innings, he might have managed it.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Feb 14, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I remember actively rooting for him to go 0-for-10

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by BK on Feb 14, 2011 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I have never seen this much angst on facebook.

It’s quite a spectacle. And what’s this, no V-Day S.I.S?

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Feb 14, 2011 11:04 AM EST reply actions  

why don't you post one?

And what did you get LB?

Also, whoever’s in charge here…if you aren’t going to provide any original content, front page badenjr’s FanShot. It’s awesome, and nobody reads FanShots.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Feb 14, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah..what BF says!!!

Dr. Serizawa: "If my device can serve a good purpose, i would announce it to everyone in the world! But in its current form, it's just a weapon of horrible destruction. Please understand, Ogata!"
Hideto Ogata: "I understand. But if we don't use your device against Godzilla, what are we going to do?"

by Madville on Feb 14, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Eh, I've got class in 20 minutes

LB and I aren’t doing anything real special, we’re both pretty busy. Hopefully we’ll have time to get some food. I’ll try and grab some flowers before I go to see her and then probably just get some chocolates or something while she’s at rehearsal tonight.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Feb 14, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

A 5-minute hand-made card is worth the time investment.

"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

by PeteyHendrix on Feb 14, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

oh, hand card....

I really need to read things more slowly….

by Highlifeman21 on Feb 14, 2011 9:29 PM EST up reply actions  

get her a house plant

the gift that lasts forever.

"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin

by justin007000 on Feb 14, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

This joke is funny on two levels! Yay!

"there no countrey called west xylophone" Youtube

by andromache on Feb 14, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

The trick is ...

… if you blow it and miss the day (not recommended) that you do something ASAP afterward but … and this is a big BERTHA BUT …
ya gotta make it look like the reason you were late was because some extra planning went into it.

Like, you were just waiting for the perfect color to be available, knowing that anything else would just not work.

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by johnu1 on Feb 14, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I always hate the days when she blows it and misses.

"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin

by justin007000 on Feb 14, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Fundamentals is instinctive, the coach said.

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by johnu1 on Feb 14, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

get her the flaming llama meme

it’s the .gif that lasts forever

"College actually kind of beat that out of me, making me more, well, of an asshole."

by Cy Schourek on Feb 14, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

fuck that shit

set her oreo’s on fire.

"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin

by justin007000 on Feb 14, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Been there, done that.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Feb 15, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

I was gonna be funny here and post a link to www.zombo.com but got a bandwidth exceeded error when I checked it

End of an era? I hope not.

"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs

by jch24 on Feb 15, 2011 12:34 AM EST up reply actions  

xox

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by johnu1 on Feb 14, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Did anyone know Ryan Hanigan has a degree in philosophy from Rollins College?

It says so in the Enquirer’s roster preview. I knew he went there, but I never would’ve pegged him as a philosophy wonk.

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Feb 14, 2011 11:50 AM EST reply actions  

Bravo!

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Feb 14, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Is he the dean?

"And a high fly ball to center field. He hit it a ton. And the 2010 National League Central Division Champs are the Cincinnati Reds!"

by joshuar9476 on Feb 15, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I hate that song.

"there no countrey called west xylophone" Youtube

by andromache on Feb 14, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, it's over. Pujols will not be a Cardinal in 2012, bank on it.

(See what I did there? Bank on it, because Pujols is going to make bank? hahalolz)

Also, this is going to be my favorite non-Reds story of the year. Now, tough question: Would you rather see St Louis re-sign him at 7-8 yrs and $30 mil per, or the Cubs sign him at 8-10 yrs for $30 per? I’m honestly not sure.

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Feb 14, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd rather see the Cardinals blow their budget on him

The Cubs will screw up with or without him, but it would be nice if Pujols could hamstring the St. Louis budget for the forseeable future.

Were I a Cardinal fan, I’d be hoping for him to go elsewhere. They got him for his prime years at a very reasonalbe rate. Now that they have eaten the cake, you may as well let someone else pay the bill.

Or even if I just like such as judged a fish contest that would get me outta the house and in some air.

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Feb 14, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't go that far

He’s still got a few more years as an elite player, and St. Louis should be going for it now. Plus, it would be huge gut punch for the franchise.

They should pull the trigger if he settles for 7-8 years. 10 years is a much tougher call.

by ken on Feb 14, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, I'm sure he has a few more years as an elite player

I just doubt his performance over a 7-8 year period he will be worth $30-40 million per. At that price, they could fill 3 or 4 spots with quality players, and probably get more value than from 1 Pujols.

Or even if I just like such as judged a fish contest that would get me outta the house and in some air.

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Feb 14, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I generally think that stars are underpaid

$30M is still a good value for Pujols if he plays near his current level ($40M might be stretching it). If the contract is 8/240, the team probably gets enough excess value in the first half of the deal to make up for Pujols’ aging in the second half. Plus, inflation will make the later years seem less expensive.

I think it’s tough to fill 3 or 4 slots with good players on the FA market with 30M/year. You can probably cherry pick 3 guys if you look at the best FA deals each winter, but chances are you’ll get some duds in there as well.

by ken on Feb 14, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

To put $30MM into perspective...

In this offseason, it would get you:

SP Cliff Lee
RP Arthur Rhodes
and
LF Pat Burrell

or

LF Carl Crawford
RP Arthur Rhodes
and
LF Pat Burrell

or

LF Magglio Ordonez
3B Adrian Beltre
and
RP Arthur Rhodes

I do not see Pujols as more valuable in 2011 than Ordonez, Beltre, and Rhodes combined.

"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

by PeteyHendrix on Feb 15, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Disagree

Ordonez is a decent hitter but is old and has health problems. He also has no defensive value. Beltre has two tremendous seasons with five good or even mediocre years in between. Rhodes is a good but old reliever with foot problems. If I was starting a team from scratch, I’d take Pujols over those guys, easy.

The other thing is that you have to convince each of those three players to sign with you. Beltre was rumored to have narrowed his search to only western teams, and he still got 5/80. So maybe he rules out St. Louis automatically. Even if he doesn’t, you’d have to offer something more than nominally higher than Texas’ offer (5/85) to get him.

by ken on Feb 15, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I dunno

One amazing player for the price of 3 very good ones? Tough call, no doubt.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Feb 15, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

If the option is three truly good players, I'd take that

I just don’t see that being realistic on 30M/year. Beltre is possibly very good; he was great last year. But like I mentioned, he’s also got a lot of meh seasons (at least offensively). If you swapped out Ordonez for Crawford, I’d take them over Pujols. But then you’d be over 30M.

by ken on Feb 15, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Feb 15, 2011 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

i like the idea of three very good ones for several reasons

Most importantly if a team is built around one great player, and he suffers a serious injury they are in serious trouble.

Three very good players creates a threat that is hard to pitch around in a line up. Last year the Reds had a more balanced lineup than St. Louis, with Votto, Rolen, Bruce, Stubbs, Phillips, and the catcher platoon 2/3rds of lineup was composed of solid above average hitters.

Last year St. Louis had limited offense besides Pujols, Rasmus, and Holliday. According to Baseball Reference those were the only three regular starters for the Cardinals who OPS’d over .750, and they were the only 3 Cardinal regulars who had an OPS+ over 100. All of the Reds regulars not named Orlando Cabrera OPS’d over .750 and had an OPS+ over 100. Even Johnny Gomes are second to worst offensive regular would have been the fourth best on the Cardinals. So going through the Reds lineup the only two easy outs were Ocab and the pitcher were the only 2 easy outs.

I liked the Reds offense featuring a couple of great offensive center pieces with a great supporting cast; it is like a fine movie.

"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin

by justin007000 on Feb 16, 2011 12:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Agree, and like I said I'd rather have 3 very good players

I just don’t think you can sign them on the FA market for under 30M per year. I’d take Pujols over any of the scenarios Petey listed above (noting that Cliff Lee is a false choice, since he took a discount to return to Philly) if Pujols agrees to a 7 or 8 year deal. If he insists on 10, it’s a tougher call.

Ideally you do what we did – develop most of your starting lineup so you don’t have to pay 3 or more good FAs.

by ken on Feb 16, 2011 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree wholeheartedly

That’s a shitload of money to spend on one guy, even if it is Albert Pujols. I’d bet he’s great for most if not all of the contract, but one guy cannot carry a team.

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Feb 14, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd take that bet

You have a better chance being right on the 8 win season part, but I’d be pretty confident saying he’ll have more than 2 future 6 win ones.

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Feb 14, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

it is real easy for me to say this considering i'm not having wads of cash thrown in my face

but i would almost rather take a pay cut to stay in St. Louis if I’m Pujols. I really don’t know what I would do with lets say $15M a year that I can’t do with $20M (made up numbers I have no idea what they offered and what he wants). If he stays in St. Louis he has a chance to be remember like other greats such as Stan Musial, if he goes well he is just another talented baseball missionary who plays for the highest bidder. Which is what kinda sucks about professional sports in general. Players don’t give a shit about their team and teams don’t give a shit about their players, they all only give a shit about money. The only people who really give a shit about teams and players are fans.

"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin

by justin007000 on Feb 14, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I am currently buying into the idea that ...

… Pooholes will be a member of the LAA in 2012.

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by johnu1 on Feb 14, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

This comment is classic, on many levels.

While I don’t doubt Pujols’ religious credentials, I’m pretty sure the term you are looking for is “baseball mercenary”

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Feb 14, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

mercenary, merchandise

missionary,

all the same …

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by johnu1 on Feb 14, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

/except when talking about sex

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Feb 14, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

'd

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Feb 14, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

It depends on your church.

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by johnu1 on Feb 14, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

missionary merchandise

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by johnu1 on Feb 14, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

www.themissionarydepot.com

It’s a real site. Shoes come in your choice of black, gray, or black.

"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

by PeteyHendrix on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

mmm, I love me some merchandise position

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by nycredsfan on Feb 14, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Funny, she doesn't look Drewish

"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs

by jch24 on Feb 15, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

While I agree that players don't care about teams and vice-versa

I don’t think they ever really did. The main reason players stuck with one team back in the day was because they were forced to, thanks to the reserve clause and lack of free agency. Teams used that power to screw the players out of their fair share of the take.

The cool thing about the modern era, to me, is that when a player sticks with one team for his career (Cal Ripken, Derek Jeter) it is because they chose to (and they were good enough to have the power to make that choice).

Or even if I just like such as judged a fish contest that would get me outta the house and in some air.

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Feb 14, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm not saying it was different

i don’t look to the pre free agency “glory days”. This system is much more fair for the players. If the owners make a shit ton the players should too, it is only fair. I guess the fans are true fools.

I think that is why Griffey was exciting for us. He could have made a record contract as a player south of 30 and perhaps the best all around player at the time. But he wasn’t greedy and took a below market (although still making a shitton of money by well my standards which would be happy to make $60K a year) contract.

"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin

by justin007000 on Feb 14, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it's a requirement of Reds fandom

to begin any list of one-team lifers with Mr. Barry Louis Larkin.

by the finest muffins on Feb 15, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

x

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Feb 15, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree here

Pujols has all the money he’ll ever need. He basically has a choice to make – Stay in STL and become a legend to a fanbase, chase more rings (wouldn’t fault him for that), or see if he can garner the richest MLB contract ever.

"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs

by jch24 on Feb 15, 2011 12:38 AM EST up reply actions  

that is why I will always like Griffey

he could have gotten a much more obscene amount of money in New York.

"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin

by justin007000 on Feb 15, 2011 3:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think it was all about not chasing the money

some guys just don’t have the personality to play in New York & I think Griffey is one of them.

by 'tHan on Feb 15, 2011 8:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

There’s a good reason Griffey6 wasn’t real cordial with the media. He had seen the NY media growing up.

"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs

by jch24 on Feb 15, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

As opposed to Griffey5

"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs

by jch24 on Feb 15, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

dirndl + beer = neverfail

"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

by PeteyHendrix on Feb 15, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

nobody else thinks she looks like Scott Rolen?

"College actually kind of beat that out of me, making me more, well, of an asshole."

by Cy Schourek on Feb 15, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

/Julia Stiles'd

"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24

by BK on Feb 15, 2011 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

mmmm, my celebrity crush

one of my friends up here went to college in NYC with Julia Stiles

by Highlifeman21 on Feb 15, 2011 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I hadn't gotten up as far as her face yet...

"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

by PeteyHendrix on Feb 16, 2011 3:25 AM EST up reply actions  

you guys and your objectif...

/goodlordthosearehuge

"Red Reporter - An elitist clique full of like-minded douchebags." - BK

by ZJiff30 on Feb 16, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Julia Stiles = Yawn


NOT CUTE, NOT SEXY, POOR ACTRESS AND STUPID

Dr. Serizawa: "If my device can serve a good purpose, i would announce it to everyone in the world! But in its current form, it's just a weapon of horrible destruction. Please understand, Ogata!"
Hideto Ogata: "I understand. But if we don't use your device against Godzilla, what are we going to do?"

by Madville on Feb 17, 2011 3:32 AM EST reply actions  

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