Red Reposter - Happy Ken Griffey Jr Day!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 11, 2011 2:30 PM EST
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Print11 years ago today the Reds traded Mike Cameron and their best homegrown pitcher between Tom Browning and Johnny Cueto for Ken Griffey Jr. I prefer to remember the excitement of this day above all other memories of him.
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John Erardi has a nice piece on the decisions that Dusty Baker faces this season
He certainly earned some dap for his patience with young and struggling Drew Stubbs and Jay Bruce last summer (not to mention the division title wOOt), but he will be closely scrutinized for the way he handles the SS and LF situations. Paul Janish is penciled in as the starter at SS, but Erardi reminds us of the John Vukovich story in 1975. Of course, Edgar Renteria isn't the substitute George Foster was, but it will be an interesting storyline nevertheless. -
You are cordially invited to cozy up to your television
wrap yourself in your Reds/HH Gregg snuggie, and watch some Spring Training baseball. FS Ohio will be airing four ST games next month. I dropped my cable over a month ago and I haven't missed it at all until reading this just now. -
Barry Larkin is headed to South Korea as an emissary of the state department
He will meet with North Korean defectors as an attempt to use baseball as a diplomatic tool. I think it's particularly wise to send a Red, as they are far more likely to relate to that than, say, a Yankee or a Texas Ranger. -
Tony Paul (no relation to Janish) of the Detroit News (that's still a paper?) has a preview of the National League
He projects Brandon Phillips and Drew Stubbs to bat 1-2, Homer Bailey and Travis Wood to earn the #'s 4 and 5 rotation slots, and Devin Mesoraco to show up mid-season. Overall, he gives them a B- for the off-season. -
In case you were worried
Sheldon proclaims the chances of Michael Young coming to the Reds are less than zero. He gives five different reasons, but not the most obvious one: he stinks. -
Orlando Cabrera has signed a major league deal with the Indians
As we are all keenly aware, he is no longer a shortstop and will compete for the Tribe's 2B gig. He'll duke it out with destined utility man Jason Donald and faded prospect Luis Valbuena. Tribe fans everywhere are crossing their fingers extra-hard in hopes that top prospect Jason Kipnis will electrify everyone and take the job sooner rather than later. Either way, I'm sure we all wish Lando nothing but the best of...errr, well...thanks for...ummm...well, good-bye. -
The Rangers avoided arbitration with Josh Hamilton and signed him to a 2-year, $24 mil deal
The deal buys out his final two arb years. Edinson Volquez is only going to make $1.6 mil this year, so at least we win in that respect. -
News got around the internets yesterday that the Twins could be open to trading Francisco Liriano
It's rare that good, young, cost-controlled pitchers hit the market like this, but Liriano is the fourth such player this off-season. That's good news for us armchair baseball analysts because that means there is a fairly clear market set for these guys.
Zack Greinke, Matt Garza, and Shaun Marcum all were traded for roughly similar prospect packages so we can glean from that what it might take for our team to get Liriano. Dave Cameron says Shaun Marcum is the closest analog of this group, so we'll start there. The Blue Jays received Brett Lawrie from the Brewers in return for Marcum.
Cameron mentions that Lawrie was ranked #37 by Keith Law, but I like John Sickels list better. Sickels rates Lawrie as a B+ prospect, and the Reds have a plethora of those in Devin Mesoraco, Billy Hamilton, Yonder Alonso, and Yasmani Grandal. I think Lawrie is better than Alonso and Grandal, and he's far more advanced than Hamilton (Lawrie will start the season in AAA). So our best analog for Lawrie is Mesoraco. Would you be willing to trade him for Liriano, if, of course, the Reds can find the money for him? Is that a fair return?
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No
Mesoraco is too valuable.
But if you think Milwaukee is a model franchise for recognizing talent, have at it.
(Bob Vila agrees.)
Map Quest really needs to start their directions on # 5. I'm pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
Mesoraco for Liriano
oh gawd yes
Have you forgotten about Grandal?
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 12, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with the assessment
dunno if I’d actually go for it, but we can afford to part with one of our catching prospects, if the target is worth it.
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
I also haven't forgotten about Corky.
Never trade a top catching prospect.
Map Quest really needs to start their directions on # 5. I'm pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
i would have agreed
until i realized that Liriano only has a year left.
"I can’t imagine playing anywhere else. I enjoy myself. I can’t imagine being with a better team."
-Joey Votto
by justin007000 on Feb 12, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
2 years, dude
He’s also under team control for 2012, the last year of Our Lord.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 13, 2011 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
then maybe
i would have to think about it and consult the stars.
"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin
by justin007000 on Feb 13, 2011 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
i would rather trade mesoraco
than grandal……mesoraco has only had 1 good year and everybody is hyped on him, trade high
"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols
as many as Mesocraco had when he was first highly touted.
"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin
by justin007000 on Feb 12, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
As usual, ssv2 spits the troof
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
Lawrie
Quite a bit overrated. He has a good bat, but not an elite bat. Defensively, he is going to be brutal wherever he plays. Mesoraco is a much better prospect than Lawrie is IMO.
Agreed.
Problem is, the Twins are set at C and 1B with Mauer and Morneau, so Mesoraco, Grandal, and Alonso wouldn’t seem to have quite as much appeal to them as they would to other organizations.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 11, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
they’re weak up the middle. I’d say Leake or Wood, and maybe a Valaika type could get it done. Though considering what some people have been traded for recently, I’d love to postulate that Maloney/Francisco/Valaika would do it, but I really don’t see it happening.
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
With recent trades that have happened
I think that offer is not ridiculous and would only take slightly more to get it done. Replace Maloney with Bailey (or one of a number of slightly better pitchers in our system) and maybe it happens.
this
"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols
I'd offer Wood, Francisco and Negron!
But then you’re not gaining all that much. If Morneau is still concussed, perhaps they’d find Alonso to be more valuable.
Perhaps.
They may well jump at Francisco…they’ve been after a 3B for awhile.
I’d do a Bailey/Francisco swap in a heartbeat.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 11, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
i think Liriano (if he stays healthy) is a clear upgrade over Wood
We are over valuing a polished pitcher who got off to a hot start and almost threw a perfect game. I think he will become a good pitcher but I think it is premature to say he will be an ace, and he may not be the most talented member on the Reds staff.
"I can’t imagine playing anywhere else. I enjoy myself. I can’t imagine being with a better team."
-Joey Votto
by justin007000 on Feb 11, 2011 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
He's probably not the best Reds pitcher, but Liriano is a big injury risk with all those sliders and his injury history.
And he’s not THAT much better than Wood, although he’s clearly better.
Liriano is a poor man's Cubandolero.
Why not just keep the prospects and put Aroldis in the rotation?
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 11, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
I think most of us would agree with that scenario
but there’s not a lot we can do about it
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
TJ surgery and injury prone?
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
by nycredsfan on Feb 12, 2011 9:49 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
What makes everyone think Chappy can be an effective SP in 2011?
I see very little evidence, except that he’s a talented pitcher.
"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428
you are pretty right
Liriano has yet to throw 200 innings, has only put up one full season of pitching like an ace. His arm might blow up. Trading for him for one year sucks because well we will give up prospects for 1 season, and trading and extending sucks because his arm may blow up again.
Lets see if Chapman can be an ace, and put him in the rotation. Oh wait his stuff is too good.
"I can’t imagine playing anywhere else. I enjoy myself. I can’t imagine being with a better team."
-Joey Votto
by justin007000 on Feb 11, 2011 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
I would trade Leake/Valaika for Liriano in a heartbeat
Leake is good, but I don’t think he’s ever going to be an ace, which is what Liriano probably is if healthy.
But he's cheap for a lot longer, and will probably be healthier
That being said, I think I might make that trade too, assuming a reasonable extension could be agreed upon, and he got a clean bill of health. I think it’s a moot point though, as I don’t really see him being traded
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
why don't you see him being traded?
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Honestly, I think it's the Twins baiting the Yankees
to see if they’d bite. Also, gauging the market, kinda like what Arizona did with Upton.
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
I disagree a little with KM Batman....
The Twins may be set at C and 1B with Mauer and Morneau, but neither have a spotless injury history. So all it takes is for one or both of them to go down in yet another season and then these top Reds’ prospects are valuable for them.
Also the Twins are in the AL so any of the prospects could join Mauer and Morneau in a 1B, C, DH rotation.
6-2, 185
They have Kubel at DH as well
I wonder if the Twins are thinking about moving Mauer off catcher any time in the near future. He’ll be 28 next year and though he’s been relatively healthy his entire career, his size may give them pause.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 11, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
TWSS
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
by nycredsfan on Feb 11, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Meno-pause?
Need the number of that store where they make ceramics in an oven made out of damaged circus supplies. It's called Rumpled Stilts Kiln. - Jon Wurster
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Feb 11, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
haha I know
buttttttttt snacks + menopause…. I have a sensitive stomach right now, I’m slightly hungover and full of coffee
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
Well, they did trade their top C prospect for Matt Capps a year ago...
and last I checked, he was absurdly well regarded.
Doesn’t scream that they’re likely to move him from home anytime soon.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 11, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
The Twins scouting system
marches to the beat of a different drummer. Their valuations of players often don’t match other teams’.
Wouldn’t rule anything out with them.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
/DelmonYoung'd
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 11, 2011 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
plus they could get Meso and flip him
it isn’t as if he is knocking down the big league door.
"I can’t imagine playing anywhere else. I enjoy myself. I can’t imagine being with a better team."
-Joey Votto
by justin007000 on Feb 11, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, i was kind of trying to say i thought he was overhyped.
Didn’t really sound that way after I read it.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 13, 2011 1:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Speaking of Reds
the other day I was in a bar and a guy across from me was telling the bar tender how i was a communist because i was wearing a reds shirt.
also, pretty much anything the state department does is wrong.
I so, so underappreciate/underestimate the super-bubble that surrounds the U.S.ofA.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 11, 2011 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
i don't know what this means
but i’m pretty sure there’s an even superer bubble around foreign policy makers. i can’t believe some of the garbage that’s come out this week from people i used to think were smart.
baseball should come to the middle east to recruit pitchers. they’re pretty good at throwing rocks. (i know that joke isn’t pc. but this is a day of celebration, and rocks got somewhere for once.)
this was an amazing, amazing day. egyptians handed me my idealism that someone had put in the lost and found. i had pretty much given up on it. and from what i’ve read, obama said the right things for once, and i’d watch the speech if it wasn’t taking two hours to download a seven minute video.
by Daedalus on Feb 11, 2011 6:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think more the fact that "Reds" means not baseball to pretty much everyone else
[insert “but! but! Liverpool!” here]
"College actually kind of beat that out of me, making me more, well, of an asshole."
that sounds like a terrible bar
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
by Ewok on Feb 11, 2011 5:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
well, the guy was wrong about that.
and we have the navy to prove it.
Map Quest really needs to start their directions on # 5. I'm pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
the funny thing is
this is the second time in my life this has happened. the other was with a japanese tourist in bulgaria.
Bulgarians are wrong about that.
Plus, their navy sucks.
Map Quest really needs to start their directions on # 5. I'm pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
one time i bought a discounted tshirt with the hammer and sicle on it ...
… and more than a few times i’ve gotten verbally abused for being a “commie” … it’s a shirt people
"And a high fly ball to center field. He hit it a ton. And the 2010 National League Central Division Champs are the Cincinnati Reds!"
would you buy
a discounted Cardinals shirt?
and how much would it have to be discounted?
You're never as bad as you look when you lose. You're never as good as you look when you win.
no, i'd go shirtless
"And a high fly ball to center field. He hit it a ton. And the 2010 National League Central Division Champs are the Cincinnati Reds!"
You should also get a tattoo of a swastika.
"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428
not even fucking close to the same
"I can’t imagine playing anywhere else. I enjoy myself. I can’t imagine being with a better team."
-Joey Votto
by justin007000 on Feb 12, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
Tell that to the Baltic people.
Map Quest really needs to start their directions on # 5. I'm pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
by johnu1 on Feb 12, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Both of them are displaying a symbol of a historical evil empire with a ruthless dictator on your body.
Where’s the huge difference?
"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428
you can take off the shirt
Plus, you might need to wear a shirt. You don’t need a tattoo.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
So wearing a shirt with a swastika would be okay?
Noted.
"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428
if the alternative was freezing to death or being arrested
I’d wear one.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
A little harsh, no?
(Michael Young) stinks
No, he dosn’t. He’s a 3ish WAR player (depending on who you believe) who’s being paid to be worth at least 3 WAR ($16M/yr); hell, you could make the argument he isn’t even overpaid, let alone stinks.
He isn’t a viable option at SS for two good reasons: his salary and his defense. Even ignoring his salary, the only place he really fits for the Reds is in LF, and there’s no indication he wants to play there. Plus, I wouldn’t want to owe 3/$48M to any player entering his age-34 season (yes, any).
I’d much rather have him on the team than Gomes; he could compitently give Rolen, BP, or Votto a day off (he’s had 1 season of less than 690 PA in the last 8, so playing every day wouldn’t be an issue) and Heisey could play LF once a week or so. It’s just not a good fit.
"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"
I made this argument for signing Mark DeRosa last offseason.
Same exact argument…for 2yr/$12million.
I can’t make that same argument for 3/48. Can’t do it.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 11, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
I don’t think it’s so much that HE’S bad- it’s more that his contract blows.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
Even if the Rangers bought out the last 3 years of his contract,
I’m not sure I’d trade him straight up for CoCo.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 11, 2011 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
We don't have a place for him though
I wouldn’t want him to be a Red, just saying he doesn’t exactly ‘stink’.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
Coco for Young straight up?
one mans albatross for another? meh? perhaps i do that, what the hell, it could set up another move to make room for Young. But i am glad we are holding pat now, December was the time for a shake-up if you were going to do it.
by Eastwindquinn on Feb 11, 2011 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
is Feliz gonna be in the rotation this year?
If no, then they don’t want CoCo for nothin’
"College actually kind of beat that out of me, making me more, well, of an asshole."
Coco only has 1 year left on that albatross contract though
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
Man, Liriano is really tempting
It’d be pretty solid answer to the Greinke acquisition. But I can’t get past the fact that it seems just a little too myopic to make an offer that would please the Twinst.
Liriano’s only under control for this season. I don’t think I’d give up future cost-controlled years of guys like Wood, Hamilton or Mesoraco. Leake maybe, but only it was along with a second-tier prospect. Trading away cost-controlled, young MLB-rotation-capable starters has to get the Reds more than a one-year rental.
Need the number of that store where they make ceramics in an oven made out of damaged circus supplies. It's called Rumpled Stilts Kiln. - Jon Wurster
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Feb 11, 2011 5:34 PM EST reply actions
trade and sign?
"I can’t imagine playing anywhere else. I enjoy myself. I can’t imagine being with a better team."
-Joey Votto
by justin007000 on Feb 11, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
It'd have to be.
The fact that he turned down their initial extension offer makes me think he may have the same ideas in mind that Votto does. I’d have to know that he’d stay before I coughed up several valuable pieces for him.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 11, 2011 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
Although it does get the Reds pick(s) if they offer Liriano arbitration next offseason
Need the number of that store where they make ceramics in an oven made out of damaged circus supplies. It's called Rumpled Stilts Kiln. - Jon Wurster
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Feb 11, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
are we really discussing a trade for another starting pitcher?
For christ’s sake, we’re not going to do if. We have a good rotation and depth. The team is built to last for years. There’s no reason to stry trading prospects for one year of an injury-plagued non-necessity.
by Brian B on Feb 11, 2011 7:00 PM EST via mobile reply actions
yeah, there is no room for him, I will riot if Wood starts in AAA.
by Eastwindquinn on Feb 11, 2011 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
I will join you in that riot.
How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 11, 2011 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
how about in MN?
"College actually kind of beat that out of me, making me more, well, of an asshole."
agreed
if anything, trading for an awesome hitter to play LF is about the only move the reds could make that would be logical
At this point, I'm OK with a Lewis/Gomes platoon
assuming it’s a strict platoon. I’d rather have a SS or ace
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
Ya got mail.
How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 11, 2011 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
And he's under control for 2 years, not just 1
And it seems that prospects are really, really valuable right now. If a player like Lawrie can net you a player like Marcum, I’d take advantage of that market.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 11, 2011 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
Um sure...that's a great trade...
If we needed a one-year rental on a pitcher and they needed a catcher.
Why is it that the Yankees wouldn’t massively overpay for him? Isn’t that the Yankees thing? Yahoo has some article today titled “Void in rotation mars Yankees’ offseason”, and if there’s one thing Yahoo is good at, it’s writing articles agreeing with whatever the general consensus was two weeks before.
C’mon. The Twins are baiting the Yankees. “Ooooh…here’s this great guy you need to finish your set. If you don’t trade for him, you’re going to be hearing from the owner all year about how you screwed up. He’s a reeeeally good pitcher, though, so it’d better be a reeeeally good offer”.
Seems to me that the Twins have done this before, dangling good players out on a line either in hopes that some team will make a ridiculous offer or that they can cause squabbling on other teams. They’re not looking to do a reasonable trade.
what did they get for Santana
he was better and had more years left when he was traded.
"I can’t imagine playing anywhere else. I enjoy myself. I can’t imagine being with a better team."
-Joey Votto
by justin007000 on Feb 12, 2011 2:16 AM EST up reply actions
Santana had a no-trade clause...
and the Mets traded away three of their top four prospects to get him.
I think that’s the kind of deal the Twins are looking for. Liriano’s cheap this year. They can always play him this year and trade him in 2012.
I should edit to add...
I have no idea why they loved those guys so much, but they had some really nice offers on the table they rejected for Santana. So I guess the Twins thought they were getting a steal.
Who knows, maybe they’d love END.
The Twins
are cheap. Or should that be “frugal”? They’re cheap in a good way. They trade their veterans for prospects, and it works for them.
I think they kinda screwed up on the Santana trade, though. It sounds like they pissed the other teams off with their agreeing to deals, then pulling out, and in the end had to settle for the Mets offer (since Santana wanted a deal done).
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Our farm system is MUCH better than the Mets system of that era
We shouldn’t need to deal our top 3 guys.
What were the superior offers that the Mets rejected, and why?
Something from the Red Sox IIRC
I think involving Ellsbury. Ellsbury by himself is better than everything the Twins got from the Mets put together.
Red Sox and Yankees were among the other suitors
The offers were never confirmed, but rumor had it that the Sox offered:
Jacoby Ellsbury
Justin Masterson
Jed Lowrie
Jon Lester
(Conflicting reports on whether both Ellsbury and Lester were included. Some reports said it was either one or the other, with the Twins preferring Ellsbury.)
The Yanks offered:
Ian Kennedy OR Phil Hughes
Melky Cabrera
Another prospect, rumored to be José Tabata
(Twins reportedly wanted Joba Chamberlain, whom the Yanks considered untouchable. Hah.)
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
both of those offers absolutely smoke the shit out of what the Twins actually got
they overbargained and ended up screwing themselves with the Santana deal.
I think they did
They pissed off both the Sox and the Yanks by apparently agreeing to deals, only to pull out when it came time to sign on the dotted line. They thought they could keep the bidding going.
But then Santana said “Time’s up.” He wanted a deal done before spring training, or he wouldn’t agree to the trade. The Twins reportedly called the Yanks and Red Sox, but there was so much bad feeling after the previous negotiations that they’d pulled their offers off the table, and weren’t inclined to put them back.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Elijah Dukes
says the Natinals are a bunch of druggies.
He says he was blackballed from baseball for reporting his teammates. MLB denies that he ever came forward.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
that would explain some of nyjer morgan's behavior ...
… sorta
…. slightly
…. ahhh, not really
"And a high fly ball to center field. He hit it a ton. And the 2010 National League Central Division Champs are the Cincinnati Reds!"
That article made John Fay seem like freaking Shakespeare.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
I'm tellin' ya
Fay ain’t that bad, as beat writers go.
BTW, I’m watching a reality show about an emergency room on FitTV. A girl came in with a june bug in her ear. Eyewww. It was HUGE. Big, shiny green sucker. I can’t believe it actually fit in a human ear.
She took a nap in a car, and woke up with a june bug in her ear.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Yeah, I was all into that imagery.
Thanks.
Map Quest really needs to start their directions on # 5. I'm pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
you're welcome
She was bleeding from her ear and screaming about helicopters. They thought she was a psych patient. They had to drug her up just so she’d calm down enough so they could look in her ear.
Turns out, when a june bug flaps its wings in your ear, it actually sounds just like helicopters. She wasn’t crazy. Just completely freaked out.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
damned helicopters
at the hospital a couple of blocks over … I wish that would stop.
Map Quest really needs to start their directions on # 5. I'm pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
The more I think about trading for Liriano
the more I think about the Tigers. In 2006 they were a young, cheap, talented, and cost controlled team. In 2009 they became an old, expensive, team with aging free agents.
"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin
how does trading for Liriano make us the 2009 Tigers?
not endorsing trading for him, per se, but just curious
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
The trade itself
while worth discussing, is still a matter of trying to fix something that isn’t broken. We don’t need Liriano. We have the horses on the hill.
We need to find a shortstop and a left fielder.
Now if you say we have the horses at SS and LF and need a pitcher, then fine … see if unloading your top minor-league catcher is a good idea.
Map Quest really needs to start their directions on # 5. I'm pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
by johnu1 on Feb 13, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
it is broken
we don’t have a dominant pitcher. We don’t have anybody who can go toe to toe with Cliff Lee. We have 8 good starters but not one great one, which sucks in October.
"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin
by justin007000 on Feb 13, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
Fine, if that's true
then try for somebody better than Liriano.
Map Quest really needs to start their directions on # 5. I'm pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
If we can get him, fine
but NOT if it means giving up one of our two catching prospects.
I would not waver in my belief that catching prospects are too valuable to trade.
Bailey, Francisco, maybe one of our spare infielders … OK, that’s a deal I’d make.
That’s all I am saying about this general proposal.
Mesoraco, I don’t trade, unless I get Cliff Lee.
Map Quest really needs to start their directions on # 5. I'm pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
I think this is one place where you've got it right, basically
Since we have 3 capable young catchers, I might trade one of them. Grandal for Liriano I’d do straight up probably.
they may not have
but it is probably better to bet they repeat what they did last year than to bet on them improving.
I think the only pitcher who will really has room to improve is Bailey. Volquez is the wild card as he was pretty electric pre surgery.
"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin
by justin007000 on Feb 13, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
i dont agree w/ this at all
i think virtually all of our starters have the potential to improve next year. Obv cueto and def arroyo only have a chance to improve slightly at best. But leake/wood/bailey/volquez may all improve, significantly over 2010 in some cases. And the great thing is, with our depth, any pitcher that slumps won’t be throwing too many innings.
sure, they COULD improve
But I think what Justin’s saying is that we really can’t count on it.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
exactly
I think we saw the best we will see from Wood, which was pretty damn good, and I don’t know what to expect from Leake. I think he will put together a nice career as a very good unspectacular pitcher pitcher, which is more than acceptable, especially considering that it didn’t take him any time to develop.
"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin
by justin007000 on Feb 15, 2011 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
Well, Arroyo could decline and pretty bad
Volquez could simply repeat the rest of his career outside of that half season in 2008. We might get what we see with Bailey. Wood has lots of room for regression.
At least Leake and Cueto could improve a little bit, or stay the same; doubtful they would decline.
I am closer to justin’s camp than the “everyone could bust out” camp.
Agreed
I do not see the need to go after another arm, we have plenty to go around right now but do not have a solid left fielder, I am not quite ready to give up on Mr. Janish just yet, but still feel that we could get a great shortstop with the right deal that would not deplete our prospects. We need a lead off hitter and a better glove in left, or at least a gps for Gomes
in that
we are taking young cheap players whom we control and trading them for expensive or soon to depart players.
"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin
by justin007000 on Feb 13, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
Another one readty to bite the dyst and we have no death pool
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Dr. Serizawa: "If my device can serve a good purpose, i would announce it to everyone in the world! But in its current form, it's just a weapon of horrible destruction. Please understand, Ogata!"
Hideto Ogata: "I understand. But if we don't use your device against Godzilla, what are we going to do?"
err that's dust!!!
Dr. Serizawa: "If my device can serve a good purpose, i would announce it to everyone in the world! But in its current form, it's just a weapon of horrible destruction. Please understand, Ogata!"
Hideto Ogata: "I understand. But if we don't use your device against Godzilla, what are we going to do?"
Liz Taylor would have been high atop my list for this year, too
Mads, won’t don’t you commish this sombitch?
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 12, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
I have not the time, ability or ethics to entrusted with such a delicate issue.
Dr. Serizawa: "If my device can serve a good purpose, i would announce it to everyone in the world! But in its current form, it's just a weapon of horrible destruction. Please understand, Ogata!"
Hideto Ogata: "I understand. But if we don't use your device against Godzilla, what are we going to do?"
Just read the first paragraph of the entry
Was everyone here excited 11 years ago when we traded for Griffey? I was happy to have him, but I remember being worn out by this story by the time the trade actually happened. It dragged on for months with the seemingly inevitable conclusion that Griffey was coming to cincinnati. I think that day for me was less about excitement & more about relief that it had finally happened.
I was more surprised it actually happened
and then wondered what we had around him?
We traded Cameron, who I really liked, and all I could think of was “man, we really need to upgrade Steve Parris so we don’t have to rely on him if we end up in another play-in game next year”
The move just seemed so un-Reds like that we actually added an uber-talent.
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 12, 2011 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
You liked Cameron
but can’t stand Stubbs? You really are something, you know that?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 13, 2011 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
Cameron is what I hope Stubbs becomes
but that’s best case scenario really
take out 2007 and 2010, Mike Cameron has been all the CF I’ve ever wanted offensively
Defensively, I think Stubbs could be better than him
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 13, 2011 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
I think Cameron is criminally underrated
His HOF case is really not too shabs. If Stubbs turns out to be half the player Cameron has been, we’ll have ourselves one hell of a CF.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 13, 2011 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think Cameron is a HOF
and I think Stubbs needs to be at least 3/4 Cameron to prove his First Round worth
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 13, 2011 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
So you think first round draft picks have to put up around 35 WAR
Win a few gold gloves, hit over 500 XBH, and steal 250 bases to prove their worth?
Tough crowd.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 13, 2011 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
a guy drafted after him has already won 2 Cy Youngs
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 14, 2011 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
Would you have drafted the guy at the time?
I think everyone kind of figured he’d be on a shelf by now.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
yes, b/c we needed pitching, not an OF
and Timmay was the better overall player than Drewfus
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 15, 2011 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
i realize Cameron played nice defense
but his OPS was only .787. He was a nice player who did a lot of things well, but he wasn’t even close to the top CF of his generation, he needs to take a seat behind Griffey, Edmonds, Jones, Hunter, just to name a few.
"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin
by justin007000 on Feb 13, 2011 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
That's why I think he's so underrated
He’s a contempo of all those guys, so he’s a bright star in a sky full of supernovas. That doesn’t diminish what he’s done, which is pile up about 50 WAR. He doesn’t have the hardware the others have, mainly because those guys won like 40 Gold Gloves between them.
He won’t get in the HOF and he’ll likely drop off after his first ballot. Which is precisely what happens to criminally underrated ballplayers.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 13, 2011 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, both are super underrated
careers ended or died down just as SABR was gaining the notoriety to make people appreciate them. Too bad.
That trade was crucial to my fandom
I was a sophomore in college when the trade happened, and I hadn’t followed the team that closely (or baseball in general) since the 95 season/strike.
The Griffey trade is what got me following the team closely again and what got me back into baseball.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
by nycredsfan on Feb 12, 2011 9:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I was stoked.
Sitting on a bar stool, sippin’ and a’grinnin.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Feb 12, 2011 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
Then I heard about the trade.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Feb 12, 2011 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
And then? And then?
Map Quest really needs to start their directions on # 5. I'm pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
cliffhanger
"And a high fly ball to center field. He hit it a ton. And the 2010 National League Central Division Champs are the Cincinnati Reds!"
thanks for finishing that ally oop i tossed up there for you ...
"And a high fly ball to center field. He hit it a ton. And the 2010 National League Central Division Champs are the Cincinnati Reds!"
Indeed.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Feb 13, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
I was excited
but i wanted a pitcher.
"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin
by justin007000 on Feb 13, 2011 4:02 AM EST up reply actions
Griffey is what made me a Reds fan
along with the fact that they started coming on TV right about that same time, it conspired to give me little choice, as I wasn’t about to be a Cubs fan.
Living in Tucson, fan of the Diamondbacks
"And a high fly ball to center field. He hit it a ton. And the 2010 National League Central Division Champs are the Cincinnati Reds!"
I'll second 'credsfan's sentiment
I was only a baseball fan by the loosest of definitions, so I hadn’t been privy to all the build up. Junya was my favorite player, and the Reds were my favorite team, so it got me pretty jazzed up. At least, as jazzed up this a pimply-faced Dragonball Z nerd could get about sports.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 13, 2011 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting that a lot of you guys weren't into baseball until the new century
I had been having the griffey vs. frank thomas debate with my friends for 10 years by that point!
Baseball wasn't really the thing at my school
Basketball was much cooler. Then in high school, my crowd thought sports was gay. I never actively hated like that, but it’s tough to harbor a fandom in such hostile territory. I ran with a more athletic crowd in college, so it came back. Then I found this place, and, well…
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 13, 2011 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
That's interesting
What was your ‘crowd’ in high school?
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
Dragonball Z, Diablo II, and youth group
I got much cooler once I got laid.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 14, 2011 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
Diablo II
I wasted way too many hours playing that game LAN partying it up. Wasted is the wrong word. I enjoyed every freakin’ minute of it, except when I was one one stuck down with Diablo next to the portal trying to pick up stuff that my dead friends dropped….
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 14, 2011 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
Pussies
Only losers die fighting Diablo. Baal was a tough bastard though, especially in nightmare.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 15, 2011 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
definitely
one of my buddies was just a big mana slut, and just casted a bunch of stuff and ran around like a little bitch
I had this badass axe and swung it like a boss, combined with some bitchin’ armor and took my pain like a man and rarely died (since we had a designated guy to heal the party)
the game lost all of its luster when one of us found an items hack and we could make our own stuff
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 15, 2011 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
I had a buddy who would do that
It was no fun at all running a game with him. I played it anyway though because it had a hold on me. Seriously, I think I logged about 500 total hours on that game.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 15, 2011 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
gay?
"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin
by justin007000 on Feb 13, 2011 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
Same here. Basketball was it in my HS.
I spent most of my childhood idolizing Larkin and listening to Reds games on the radio in bed while pretending to be asleep.
Then I hit HS, became a band nerd, and forgot baseball until Griffey.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
I was at UK when that trade went down
My roomate from the dorms was from the Cleveland area and was a huge Indians fan. I talked so much shit to him the next day…..alas…
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71
This trade was huge for me as a fan
I was 10 years old and my family was a huge baseball family, however we never actually followed any MLB teams close like we did/do college football. We just have always played the sport since i was little, my older brother played in college. My pops played on a national champion mens slowpitch softball team and me and my four brothers played baseball everyday the weather allowed it.(along with just about every sport but we loved baseball the most).
At this age I was too young to really understand much, but i had a video game where i loved using the reds and the mariners because of larkin and junior. This trade kinda shoved me in the direction of the reds and I started watching the games more and more. Im the only one in my family who follows them closely(my family is pretty obsessed with the buckeyes and really dont have any room for another team) but I have slowly been converting them to the point where they will watch games and recognize them as their fav team and i can talk about the players and their not like “who?”. My older brother was the hardest as he was a boston fan for some odd reason, he is still split but his NL team is the reds
Im not really sure why i told everyone that, you most likely could care less haha but without that trade I would have probably just been a casual fan instead of a die hard! GO REDS! THEY ARE MY FAVORITE TEAM!
"strikeouts are a lot sexier than groundouts"
Confession is good for the soul, smitty
Dr. Serizawa: "If my device can serve a good purpose, i would announce it to everyone in the world! But in its current form, it's just a weapon of horrible destruction. Please understand, Ogata!"
Hideto Ogata: "I understand. But if we don't use your device against Godzilla, what are we going to do?"
Apparently the trade had a bigger impact on most than it did me
i became a huge reds fans because of a combination of the 1990 team & Joe Nuxhall. I guess I just assumed everyone else did as well :-)
serious question. If the Griffey trade influenced your Reds Fandom, how did you keep from allowing the outcome of the Griffey years to ruin your Reds fandom?
I became a Bengals fan because of the Super Bowl
All these years later, I still am one. Some of us are just dumb and stubborn.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 13, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
Adam Dunn
and a cast of unusual characters whom I knew I could root for that weren’t stars, but for whatever reason I knew I felt a weird connection. The Russell Branyans of the world, if you will….
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 13, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
not i
I date back to the rick auerbach, bill plummer, ed armbrister, doug flynn, bob bailey and santo alcala heydays.
Then came arturio defrietes, bill bonham, champ summers, sam mejias, mike lacoss, joe nolan, oaul householder, duane walker, rafael landestoy, alan knicely, wade rowden, wayne krenchicki, and brad lesley era.
Then the reds got pete back and it was no holds barred…the reds system produced an insane amount of home grown talent, which greatly reduced the the number of borderline mlb roster fodder.
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
by Ewok on Feb 13, 2011 11:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
and as 'than says, others
Ed Bailey, Big Klu, Johnny Temple, Don Hoak, Roy McMillan, Frank Robinson, Gus Bell, Wally Post
221 HR and damned near the most awesome lineup in history.
Map Quest really needs to start their directions on # 5. I'm pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
well, you are older than I, sir
Carl Lindner almost single handedly made me stop liking the Reds, which was an amazing feat considering I’m good friends with his great-nephew (I think that’s the connection)
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 13, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
I inherited my Reds fandom.
Barry Larkin was my icon growing up.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
It was awful, to be honest
Being a Reds fan was miserable for an entire decade. Mainly, the pitching was simply atrocious. But the defense was bad, the bullpen wasn’t terrible but seemed to blow the close ones, and the Reds just didn’t play good baseball and found ways to lose games that they should’ve won. And on top of that, my favorite player ever was having his legacy slip through his fingers with injury after injury after injury. But once you’re a fan, you can’t just quit (or else you weren’t really a fan, IMO).
Now it’s finally getting OK as a Reds fan.
The trade got me all excited
but really only until that May or so. I didn’t really get back into baseball until college (’05 or so). Then I found this place in ’07 and, well…
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 13, 2011 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
we got here at the same time
"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin
by justin007000 on Feb 13, 2011 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
My records indicate that you signed up March 27, '08
My sign-in date was May 31, ’07.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 13, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
that was after the switch over
http://www.sbnation.com/users/justin0070000
A post in 2007. I had early posts, I joined in spring training of that year.
"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin
by justin007000 on Feb 13, 2011 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
Ahh
different screenname. You know you could have recovered that and folded it into your current account back at the time of the switchover, right?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 14, 2011 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
but when i click on that justin007000
it takes me to this account. Undiscovered accounts i think appear deleted.
What is really weird is when I click my profile and see all the individual blogs it says I joined RR on March 2, 2007 but at the top of the page it says I joined on March 27, 2008.
"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin
by justin007000 on Feb 14, 2011 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
or i recovered my minorleaguebaseball.com account
"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin
by justin007000 on Feb 14, 2011 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
Same here, my profile shows 2008 but I started here in early '07
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
Well griffey was always injured so i had that hope he would bounce back
And Harang pitching like a cy young caliber player and trading for arroyo and lots of other things that showed potential for the team kept me hoping every year. then a little later with hamilton, bruce, votto, and bailey looking like the future, when we traded Hamilton i almost gave up on them until volquez dominated. still wish we could tske that trade back though
"strikeouts are a lot sexier than groundouts"
the Volquez/Hamilton trade?
I wish we never made that trade….
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 14, 2011 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
I lost interest in baseball for a few years after the strike
I started getting back into baseball in ’98 (because of the dingers) and especially ’99 (because of the pennant run). The Griffey trade was pretty key as well.
For me it was the '99 season that hooked me for good. The Griffey trade was just icing.
And I don’t understand the question. Ruin my Reds fandom? Not sure that’s possible.
by the finest muffins on Feb 14, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
well it seems that if the thing that made you a reds fan turned out terribly
that might be enough to make you stop rooting for them.
I was just being mildly sassy. I get the question. It's a pretty good one.
I can’t answer it, though, because the Griffey trade wasn’t my emotional hook to the Reds/baseball. A lifetime with my family was. Maybe if I cut them off, I’ll be able to shake this lousy team, too.
(/2000-2009’d)
(/sunny days ahead’d)
by the finest muffins on Feb 14, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
or not everything in life works and we take the good with the bad
Griffey was a good life lesson.
"If you have selfish ignorant citizens you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders."-George Carlin
by justin007000 on Feb 14, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
been reading the Enquirer's spring training preview
The photos are kind of neat.
Ye gods. And I thought Krivsky’s sweater was ugly.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
A prelude to The Trade
Krivsky traded one of his rare South African woven sweaters to Leatherpants for a pair of paints that were later determined to be flammable pleather, and not the originally bargained for leather.
by FordhamRam on Feb 13, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Oy
That little side bar with the prospect rankings says “Ryan Torreyes”. Methinks that should be “Ronald”.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
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