Reds Rule 5 Draft Preview
Surprising news from John Fay that the Reds are "likely" to take someone in tomorrow's Rule 5 Draft and that they are trying to arrange a trade with a team who has an earlier pick. As you may remember, this is how Josh Hamilton came to town prior to the 2007 season. The Chicago Cubs, who had arranged to pick for the Reds, selected Hamilton and traded him to the Reds for cash considerations.
Having cleared Jeremy Horst off the 40-man to make room, the Reds must have their eye on at least one player they're hoping to fill that open spot. According to the Rule 5 Rules (which is also the name of a GM rock power trio at the Winter Meetings), drafted players must stay on drafting team's active roster or MLB DL for an entire season or else be offered back to their original team for a pittance.
Given that these players were left vulnerable by their parent clubs, we're almost certainly not dealing with 2012 starters out of the gate. But they need to be at least potential bench contributors with upside to justify parking them on the roster - even if only until the end of spring training. So whoever the Reds are targeting would have to fill their needs in the bench and lower rungs of the bullpen: a back-up SS, a 5th OF, a lefty reliever of a middle/long relief mop-up guy. If they luck into spot starting and impress, then it's all gravy.
Vlad over at Buc's Dugout has done an incredibly detailed run-down of Rule 5 eligibles, complete with videos for every player. It's one of the most thorough Rule 5 posts - or, really, posts about minor leaguers in general - I've ever read. So there's no point in reinventing the wheel. Taken with a general scan of the major-league ready players available in the Reds' areas of need (as opposed to high-upside players a rebuilding team would have to "hide" on their active roster), here's a list of players in whom the team should be most interested (2012 age and highest level in parentheses):
Left-handed pitchers
- Tim Alderson, Pirates (23 in 2012, Highest level: AA)
- Cesar Cabral, Red Sox (23 in '12, Highest level: AA)
- T.J. McFarland, Indians (23 in '12, Highest level: AA)
- Trevor Reckling, Angels (23 in '12, Highest level: AAA)
Right-handed pitchers
- Brad Meyers, Nationals (26 in '12, Highest level: AAA)
- Diego Moreno, Pirates (25 in '12, Highest level: AA)
- Rob Bryson, Indians (24 in '12, Highest level: AA)
- NIck Barnese, Rays (23 in '12, Highest level: AA)
- Steve Geltz, Angels (24 in '12, Highest level: AAA)
- Dae-Eun Rhee, Cubs (23 in '12, Highest level: A+)
Spot starter potential in 2012:
- Brad Meyers, Nationals (26 in '12, Highest level: AAA)
- Steve Geltz, Angels (24 in '12, Highest level: AAA)
- T.J. McFarland, Indians (23 in '12, Highest level: AA)
Shortstops
- Marwin Gonzalez, Cubs (23 in '12, Highest level: AAA)
- Mark Hallberg, D-backs (26 in 2012, Highest level: AAA)
Outfielders
- Thomas Pham, Cardinals (24 in '12, Highest level: AA)
- Erik Komatsu, Nationals (24 in '12, Highest level: AA)
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hmmm
I just don’t see any room on the roster for a position player.
I wonder if the Reds are having second thoughts about Philippe Valiquette.
And is there anyone in the Reds system other teams might grab?
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If they're having second thoughts, they could draft him back
He might deserve a spot on the list of LHPs, but it seemed too ironic – especially since they cleared a serviceable lefty with MLB experience out to open up that spot. They’d be replacing one fireballing lefty with erratic control with another, who they decided to release him 4 months a go.
I think Valiquette was among the most attractive potential Reds to get picked off, but he’s with the Mariners. Jerry Gil, Cody Puckett and Travis Webb might be among the most attractive, but I’m not sure they’re getting much attention.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 7, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
I honestly think he'd do fine in the big leagues
But there’s no way they’re about to let him go as a FA and then draft him in Rule 5.
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by BK on Dec 7, 2011 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
that Bucs Dugout article
says Valiquette can throw 100+. Maybe he’s the Chapman replacement. Assuming Chapman becomes a starter.
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He was mentioned by Keith Law in the ESPN baseball podcast
as someone in the minors that really amazed him. He had no name recognition and is shorter than his listed heigh and came out throwing darts.
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"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 7, 2011 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
Gil signed a minor league deal
with Toronto. A few sources have Puckett as a possible pick. I could see that.
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by Thundering Turtle on Dec 7, 2011 8:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
"I guess no on needs Old Gil"
I think Daryl Jones, the Reds’ big offseason signing, might be eligible.
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"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 7, 2011 9:33 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Of course the dude named Rusty Jarrett
is the Getty photog at the Funny Car events.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Drew Cumberland intrigues the hell out of me
The former “name-prospect” with injury problems formula worked pretty well for that Hamilton kid. Pham kind of fits into that mold too. But I think they go pitcher with it if they don’t get one of those two.
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I think Cumberland should definitely be up there if the Reds were doing more rebuilding
He didn’t play last year and only scratched AA.
I don’t know his injury status, but maybe he could be DL’d for a while, then serve that maximum rehab time and be a steal for post-2012.
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"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 7, 2011 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
Pham's a monster in OOTP.
Josh Smoker reminds me of Colt Griffin (who, to be fair, didn’t work out very well) in that his name is Smoker and " He was highly touted from his freshman year of high school, when he broke his school’s strikeout record with 126 Ks in only 62 innings. Then, as a sophomore, he posted a 0.09 ERA. "
Jon Bachanov may be my favorite of the bunch. I have a soft spot for a guy who puts a “countdown ’til I get paid” timer on their MySpace page.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Myspace has become like wall to wall carpeting in a bathroom.
Seemed like a good idea at the time.
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Drew Stubbs, ca. 2009
Came across this Lehigh Valley IronPigs blog, and its account of heckling Drew Stubbs.
Apparently they have a tradition there, where if the opposing team’s CFer strikes out, they have him sign one of those printed out K’s fans bring to ballparks to count strikeouts. Most players sign their K, or at least refuse good-naturedly. Not Drew Stubbs. He refused rather angrily. (I guess it was a sensitive subject, even back then.) Of course that made them even more determined to get him to sign. They sent over a delegation the next day, complete with an adorable little girl who pleaded with him to sign. He refused, but one of his teammates couldn’t resist the tot, and signed instead of Stubbs. (I can’t say for sure which one it was who signed. It was either Chris Heisey or Wes Bankston. I’m guessing it was probably Heisey. He’s from that area and all.)
They tried again the next day, but Stubbs refused to go near them. So they decided up the heckling another level, and made this sign, counting his K’s for the series:

The next inning he comes running out and is fuming. He yells up to us that he can’t hear us, we aren’t loud enough and paces in circles until the game ended. We looked over at the Bats dugout and his teammates were in tears laughing so hard.
Alas, poor Stubby.
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by BubbaFan on Dec 7, 2011 10:50 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
also
Miguel Cairo was the starting shortstop…for the IronPigs.
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Obviously the IronPigs manager knew he could get away with Cairo at SS
since he knew he wouldn’t have to field anything from Stubbs.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 8, 2011 8:34 AM EST up reply actions
actually
Stubbs was playing pretty well. He won the game for the Bats. Travis Wood singled, then stole 2B. Stubbs doubled, scoring Wood. That ended up being the game winner.
I’m kind of surprised Stubbs was so thin-skinned. He was actually hitting pretty well. Batting .275 at the time. In fact, he was called up the next week.
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I'm sure he is really embarassed of his strikeouts.
It is something that he has been working on forever, and is the one big drawback of his game. If he cuts down on his strikeouts the guy is an all star.
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by BigBabyBruce on Dec 8, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
price.less.
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 7, 2011 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
Well, finally a trade piqued my interest.
Brooks Pounders, dealt by Pittsburgh to Kansas City tonight in the Yamaico Navarro deal, was one if the guys in my chapel group with the West Virgjnia Power. Brooks is a good guy.
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by Thundering Turtle on Dec 7, 2011 11:03 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Yu Darvish is being posted
The Yanks, Rangers, and Jays are expected to bid.
The Yanks are also trying to sign Dewayne Wise to a minor league deal. I guess he and C-Dick will be patrolling the SWB Yankees outfield.
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I was going to write up something about Darvish, but it's become it's become clear he'll be way too expensive
Especially for a no. 2 starter. I think he’ll have a better MLB career overall than Daisuke because the cultural adjustment will be less of an issue and he’s younger.
by ken on Dec 8, 2011 7:37 AM EST up reply actions
I hope the Mets get him so he can play with Chin-lung Hu
and the New York Post can have a Hu Are Yu? headline.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 8, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
Also, I think Darvish is just better. Better velocity, better stuff.
He definitely dialed it up to 11 this season.
Is there a mod so powerful he can ban himself?
Oh, and before the mania begins, I think everyone should remember that I was a Yu Darvish fangirl
Is there a mod so powerful he can ban himself?
Yu Hipster
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by Slyde on Dec 8, 2011 9:53 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
And goodlord that was almost 3 years ago
How did we get so old?
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Results have been better. Not sure about the stuff.
Screw it, I’m gonna put up my piece as a FanPost.
So, my prediction from this past season has come true.
The Angels are signing Pujols. 10 years and a full no-trade. Wow.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
Holy shit, $250-260 million?
I guess they’ll need somebody’s bad contract on the books once Vernon Wells is finally gone.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 8, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure how they have the money
but given past deals that players got, we should have known that 10/220 wasn’t going to get it done.
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True.
Maybe this means they’ll trade us Haren to free up some coin!
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 8, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
Holy freaking shitcabobs.
How is this possible. Mystery team!
The only thing that sucks is that the Cards will now have the money to improve their team.
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by BigBabyBruce on Dec 8, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
looks like fay was making stuff up yesterday. his morning rule 5 update
#reds passed in rule 5 draft. Could have a trade set for another club’s pick. In other news, Pujols is going to the Angels.
TRHNMAATTN
It feels so nice to be back to normal
by nycredsfan on Dec 8, 2011 10:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
this is the most boring off-season of all time.
We're all mad. I'm mad. You're mad. Otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.
and upon reading down 8 comments...
I still stand by my word
We're all mad. I'm mad. You're mad. Otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.
the 2003 into 2004 off season was pretty goring
the only notable singing the reds made was getting John Van Der Wall.
Contributing little more than than snark and wittiness to SBN since 2007.
Reds pass in Rule 5 Draft.
Apparently, they couldn’t work out a trade to move up and get the player they wanted.
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by Thundering Turtle on Dec 8, 2011 10:16 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Or maybe the deal hasn't
yet been announced. Sorry, than, didn’t see your post before I made mine. Stupid turtle.
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by Thundering Turtle on Dec 8, 2011 10:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
so
Does that mean someone else took the player they wanted?
Who was taken off the board before the Reds’ pick?
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Players picked before the Reds' turn:
Hou: Reiner Cruz-RHP-NYM
Min: Terry Doyle—RHP-ChiW
Sea: Lucas Luetge-RHP-Mil
Bal: Ryan Flagerty-IF-ChiC
KC: Cesar Cabral-LHP- Bos
ChiC: Lendy Castillo-RHP-Phi
Pit: Gustavo Nunez-SS-Det
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by Thundering Turtle on Dec 8, 2011 10:26 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
don't see anyone worth a roster spot there
Maybe they booted Horst just because they thought he’d have a good chance of clearing waivers at this time of year.
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well
According to teh Fay, one of those players is the one the Reds wanted. I wonder which one? Any guesses? Cabral?
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I was going to guess Cabral
Or anyway, he’d be the one of that group I’d want for the Reds.
Embrace nihilism, I guess.
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"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 9, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
i know, i know the source but
#rays openminded about listening to requests, even on shields or hellickson. but of course, theyd expect LARGE returns
via Heyman
Hellickson certainly would be nice and cheap. Fits the Reds mold
I'm not really a fan of his peripherals, but he is still a very quality pitcher.
I think he’ll only continue to improve.
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by BigBabyBruce on Dec 8, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
I know, that is why I'm optimistic that he will improve.
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by BigBabyBruce on Dec 8, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
wait, what? from the reds twitter
In first round of Class AAA phase of the Rule 5 Draft, #Reds select IF Travis Mattair off the Phillies’ Class AA roster.
I don't know what this means.
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by BigBabyBruce on Dec 8, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
I think you get to keep the player regardless.
Actually, I still have no clue.
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by BigBabyBruce on Dec 8, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
Minor league phase essentially
just fills out rosters.
Mattair, 22, went 6-26-.207/.279/.356 last year in 211 PA at High-A Clearwater. He was Philadelphia’s second round pick in 2007.
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by Thundering Turtle on Dec 8, 2011 10:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
The Reds lost one player
in the AAA phase of the Rule 5 Draft. Texas selected infielder Alex Buchholz, who was 8-42-.284/.335/.404 at Bakersfield last season as a 23-year-old.
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by Thundering Turtle on Dec 8, 2011 11:29 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I don't think I've ever seen him play
But every time I see his name, I wonder if he’s related to Clay Buccholz.
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