Red Reposter - Winter Meetings Day 1 Recap
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 6, 2011 8:49 AM EST
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PrintHere's a quick rundown of Reds-related rumors from the first day of the Winter Meetings:
Walt sheds some light on the Brandon Phillips contract extension situation
Not surprisingly, one of the stick'ems is the length of the contract. "That's part of what complicates it, the number of years that he wants and what we feel comfortable doing," Jocketty said. Perhaps the most telling line is this one right here: "There will be a certain amount (of deferred money), not a lot." That sounds to me like the deal is inevitable.
This has to be one of the toughest contract situations the Reds have faced in a long time. Jeepers BeePers is coming off his best season and is clearly one of the top two or three 2Bs in the game. He's should be a key piece to the championship puzzle over the next few years. But I can't shake this fear that two years from now we'll be having this same discussion about Joey Votto, only to hear the Reds plead poverty. I very well might be creating a false dilemma here, but I just can't shake it.
Jon Heyman says the Reds are "very interested" in Jair Jurrjens, but our boy Mark Sheldon corrects him
His source says the Reds aren't interested and that they do not match up well with the Braves on a trade. The Braves are reportedly looking for a new left fielder which omg! so are we!
@LeatherBritchesLuvsSkankyBitches spoke with Dusty
who said they are keeping both Devin Mesoraco and Yasmani Grandal. I dunno. I don't think either should be untouchable, especially considering they serve as insurance on each other. Dusty also said, to the surprise of on one, that he likes Juan Francisco. I'm coming around on him myself, but I still worry that his approach will be mercilessly exploited.
Jocketty says the Reds' interest in Josh Willingham is "simmering on the back burner, if that"
This is one move that I am unequivocally against. Willingham is a good player to be sure, but he's likely not significantly better than Chris Heisey. At least, not $20 million or so better than Heisey. In a vacuum, I would choose Willingham over Heisey without much hesitation. But the fact of the matter is that Ham Bone would cost a good bit of money and Heisey wouldn't.
Octavio Dotel could be a very serviceable cost-efficient closer for next season
The Reds are among a number of teams interested in the old man.
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I posted in the last thread, but now this one is up. That girl Rose that I was told I should be with here? Know how I shot down that idea because we were too good of friends? Yeah. I was dead wrong. Last night was vunderbar.
by crolfer on Dec 6, 2011 8:54 AM EST reply actions 6 recs
Mazel Tov!
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
Welcome to young adulthood, crolf
Where friends become love interests and strangers become sex interests.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Dec 6, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
and then the friends who became love interests become ex-friends
///jaded and bitter about the world’d
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Otha fish
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
but
all the other fish are going extinct.
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Life is good
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
by Ewok on Dec 6, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
The running joke that wouldn't die
Hanley Ramirez may want to be traded to the Reds*
- Editor’s note: I may have embellished that a little.
The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!
Harang signed a two-year deal with the Dodgers
He wanted to stay on the west coast.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
you can come visit me in San Diego, Cy
that’s on the West Coast, and you seem to have a propensity to want to meet up with random internet strangers!
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
Nobody listens
to Coconut Records :-(
But don’t tempt me. I plan on being in the West this summer, and I’d love to make a Petco/Chavez trip.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
do it up man
Petco rocks. I haven’t listened to Coconut Records, sadly, but I did used to shop at Coconut Music in Rookwood. Bought Tupac’s greatest hits there! And my first Pixies CD
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
We could catch a game at the ravine...
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
honest question:
is there some sort of non-stabby mode of public transportation from SD to LA or vice versa?
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
there's a train
it’s semi-pricey, but a great ride
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
Just like all of the SD hookers!
It feels so nice to be back to normal
by nycredsfan on Dec 6, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Yes, the The Amtrak Pacific Surfliner train travels between San Luis Obispo and San Diego through Santa Barbara and Los Angeles.
It’s the best mode of transportation for that route. Public transportation can be good in SD, less so in LA.
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
And it's less than $40.
You can spend that much on gas on that route if you get caught in traffic.
Plus, you can drink on the train. (profit)
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
i got pretty drunk on Jim Beam last year on Amtrak
sadly the 4 hour delay meant i was sober before the trip ended.
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I think Hal wrote about it in his blog
something about how when he goes out to the West Coast he uses Amtrak a lot and they don’t lose his bags or strip search him and it really doesn’t take any longer than flying.
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also, trains have such pretty names.
The Pacific Surfliner > United 42
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
what a great song
i remember listening to that a million times when painting my son’s room ~4 yrs ago
@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Dec 6, 2011 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
Huston Street for Volquez being floated/bandied/pontificated.
Per Troy Renck of the Denver Woody Paiges.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 6, 2011 9:01 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
the rockies want to recapture some of that edie monie magic?
by 'tHan on Dec 6, 2011 9:08 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
They wanna take them home tonight
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Dec 6, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
ha! Denver Woody Paiges ...
Individuality: Always remember that you are unique. Just like everybody else.
Off to GoDaddy I go, brb....
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
No good.
Let Volquez close rather than deal him for Street. Better yet, don’t give up on Volquez as a starter. If the Reds trade him as part of a package, bring back starting pitching or a solid left fielder.
Street was fairly hittable and homer prone last season. The Reds have in-house options who are more affordable and likely at least nearly as effective.
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Dec 6, 2011 9:30 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, this only makes sense
if the Rox throw money in. I’d consider Street and $4 mil for Volquez, but the Reds don’t need to be spending $7.5 mil on a closer.
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by nycredsfan on Dec 6, 2011 9:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Rockies are on verge of acquiring
Kevin Slowey from the Twins. Maybe that quashes the Volquez deal, especially since Colorado also got Tyler Chatwood last week.
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Dec 6, 2011 11:30 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Slowey acquired, but still not enough
GM O’Dowd has made it his new mission to acquire as many arms as possible. Chatwood and Slowey are added to the 2012 rotation pool of Pomeranz, White, Chacin, Hammel, Nicasio, de la Rosa, and a couple of others.
I still think Street will be traded for another starter, either Volquez or Guthie from the O’s
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Better than depending on Kevin Millwood to keep our team afloat in August :-(
(last year really, really sucked)
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Didn't y'all lose something like 18 Sunday games in a row?
that was impressive, you have to admit.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Blame Jim Tracy.
No, really, blame Tracy. He’d sit Helton, Iannetta, Tulowitzki, Smith…pretty much our entire starting lineup all got the same “rest day” on Sundays.
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Is Street really enough to get either of those done?
Do you guys have any high-ish ceiling high A or AA arms to sweeten the deal? Honestly, I think Guthrie would cost a bit more, but I’m just curious
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
Pretty much all we’ve stockpiled is arms in high A or AA. That being said, O’Dowd doesn’t trade top prospects. Ever. He’s never done it.
It’d have to be a one for one, or Street plus a lower level guy.
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gotcha, thanks
well I, for one, hope it doesn’t happen. But I got nothing against the Rocks! Except Troy Tulowitzki. You should probably just trade him to the Reds.
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
and I am hoping it happens
I think we’ve discovered where the perceived value of these two players lies….
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ProTip: The value rarely lies with the closer making $7.5 million.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
by nycredsfan on Dec 6, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Agreed completely.
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Rocks are a fun team!
And they even sell fried testicles at the stadium!
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Mmmhmmm
I’m a big Reds supporter as well! Even drafted them as my team in our Purple Row OOTP league this offseason
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oh man
we should get a RR OOTP, that would be too much fun.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
I've never played it
but it would definitely be interested to get into with this bunch of dumb shits.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 6, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
who yoo callin' dumshit, moran?!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 6, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
I'm calling you a dumb shit, poop wiener!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 6, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Go back to your toilet, schlong noggin!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 6, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Schlong noggin.....I like it
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
wait, what I meant was....aw damnit
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Schloggin
Calmer than you are.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Dec 6, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ok just checking.
I’m on the team!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 6, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
we have a few fanposts on Purple Row right now
if you guys want to take a look at the structure and everything
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By the way, I love your guys’ community here. I’m always pleased when there are Reds-Rockies rumors to discuss
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by Muzia on Dec 6, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Awww, gee whiz
Thanks Muzia! I think you guys are the bomb, too!
#fistbump
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 6, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
Huzzah!
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x
Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson
hey thanks duuuuuude
cmon back anytime! Even if there aren’t real rumors to discuss, everyone around here likes wildly speculating on false rumors. Sometimes it’s even an inside job! (see Scrabbles, Charlie; Kershaw, Clayton)
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
I loved that Kershaw post
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Its like freakin' group hug Tuesday in here.
If Walt gets a deal done today beware of the pink speedo!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 6, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
It's been incredibly fun
we had a team draft and are currently about three weeks in, simming twice a week
(I swapped Drew Stubbs and Billy Hamilton for Brandon Beachy, by the way. Working out quite nicely)
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Jesus
If the Real Reds ever did that I would lose it. Hard.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 6, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
the game doesn’t like Stubbs, I don’t like Hamilton, and Beachy is turning into an ace
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I think we should get that going here too
I would be down
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
and crolf would be sideways
spooning with Rose
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
by UncleWeez on Dec 6, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
And snorting lines of coke off her ass
twitter’d
Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun
you're a man of principle
I respect that
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 6, 2011 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
that was a fun exchange
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 6, 2011 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
Someone should take the lead on this
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 6, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
Not me
I would, but I refuse to take on the added responsibility. Plus, I’ve never played the game before.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 6, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
I can look into it
From what I recollect, OOTP makes the last season’s version free when this season comes out (i.e., you can get OOTP 2010 for free now, OOTP 2011 in March). It’s fairly simple. We can have a Beta version this winter and then do it for realzies next winter. We could even invade the Purple Row league!
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Hey. I come as an emissary of peace.
And because I want to trade you Huston Street for good players.
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juuuuust teasing.
Though we’re not likely to get mroe than 10 people. It’ll be fun to get the league as close to 30 as possible.
What I don’t get is; how do you qualify success? Obviously the guy drafting the Yankees is going to come out better than the guy drafting the Orioles. How do you adjust for that?
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
We’re playing multiple seasons and determining who did the best job as a GM, not purely team success. Rebuilding farms, shrewd trades, etc
I think the winner gets club seats at Coors next September
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Ah. Sounds cool.
Winner gets a veritable buffet of Micheladas and Rocky Mountain Oysters!
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
if you guys are curious about setting something up, someone shoot me an email.
Our Commish offered to give you guys some advice
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I've been the only one whose said anything positiv about starting it
but I’m wrist-deep in finals right now, and will be on vacation after that. So perhaps somebody with more time may be interested?
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
I'll play!
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!
Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson
I would play as well
Even though I have pretty much abandoned this place since the end of the season. I just can’t think about baseball when it gets dark at 5:00 PM.
Molecular gastronomy can take a hike as far as I'm concerned.
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Dec 6, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
OOTP is good funs.
I would play as well.
STACHE SMASH!!!
by Corky's Stache on Dec 6, 2011 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
you can get fried testicles anywhere in Colorado.
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you can get big ol testicles anywhere in my pants
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
by UncleWeez on Dec 7, 2011 12:18 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
And to think, I'm happy when I reach in my back pocket and find a $10 bill
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Dec 7, 2011 9:48 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Bowden also wrote
Batl. would listen to offers on Adam Jones as it would bring back a nice haul fron teams like the Nationals and Reds. That doesn’t help the pitching but…
Jack McKeon on 2000 Reds "We have more MRI's than RBI's on this club."
That doesn't make a ton of sense.
Jones is a CFer, and while his offense is nice, it wouldn’t play nearly as well in LF.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
we're trading Drew Stubbs for pitching!
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Drew can ride in the back with dogs the next time we go to ATL if they're willing to do that deal
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
It's not a mancrush at all
If you wouldn’t trade Drew Stubbs for Jair Jurrjens straight up, I don’t EVER want to hear you question the front office’s baseball intelligence again.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Dec 6, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I probably would. But it's not a slam dunk by any means.
You’re talking 2 extra years of team control, no injury history, and a guy with 2 above average years vs. a guy who has serious injury questions and has gotten worse for 4 years straight.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
I wouldn't do it straight up
But it’s reasonably close.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 6, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
hahaha, I love it
“I agree with what you said but I’m still going to find a way to disagree.”
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
haha, I love it
“I’m going to make an extreme, absolute statement and then make fun of anyone who doesn’t completely agree.”
It feels so nice to be back to normal
I'm going to start cutting myself again if you two don't STOP FIGHTINGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 6, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
I HATE YOU! BOTH!!!
I’m running away and staying at Megan’s house! Her parents let us stay up and watch Pretty Little Liars, unlike you two mean holes!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 6, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
I picture you as the woman in the jch/creds marriage
Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun
x
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
by -ManBearPig on Dec 6, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
Is that naked vampire santa?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 6, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I.....I believe it is. Wow.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Dec 6, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I picture you as the single guy living downstairs who never leaves his apartment.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
by nycredsfan on Dec 6, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm the guy across the hall nailing your 18 yo daughter
Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun
Tell your father that if he'd compliment me once in a while, maybe he and I wouldn't fight so much
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Your hair looks really nice today
/CUCKOLD’D
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
by UncleWeez on Dec 6, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Of course it's an absolute statement, because it's true
Also, I’d love for you to explain how JJ has “gotten worse for 4 years straight”. Talk about extreme statements….
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Yeah, that's not really true.
But damn, only 270 IP the last 2 years, sharply declining FB velocity, and tanking K rate (without an accompanying increase in something good like ground balls) and you have a guy with all the makings of being a lemon.
Do Not Want.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
by nycredsfan on Dec 6, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Did you read the story about Venters (or Kimbrel)
teaching him a new fastball grip that made him trade less velocity for more movement? It might have been linked in the Fangraphs article… Not sure if it is bullshit or not, but he was extremely effective in the 1st half of 2011 even with the low velocity.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
a .267 BABIP helps
but I didn’t hear about that article. Wonder if there’s anything to it?
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
Eh. He's been steadily losing velocity for a few years now.
He’s also losing Ks, and he has 2 straight years of injuries.
Lots and lots of risks there. More than Stubbs, IMHO.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
I do Stubbs for JJ in a hearbeat
Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun
by btcoop71 on Dec 6, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Word, rec'd, saluted.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 6, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
I think so, too.
Heisey = Stubbs overall
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
I disagree.
Stubbs OPS’ed .686 in 2011 in 681 PAs.
Heisey has a career .780 OPS in 534 PAs.
Heisey is a year younger and under team control for one more year than Drew.
I simply do not believe that the defensive difference between Heisey and Stubbs is so overwhelming that it makes up for 100 points of OPS, plus another year of possible development that Heisey has, plus a year of team control.
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
Heisey is not a year younger. He's 2 months younger
Plus, I still contend that Heisey is a less exposed Stubbs. And defensively, I still don’t believe Heisey is in Stubbs class. However, the difference between the two is negligible overall.
That being said, I’d rather have Stubbs long-term because I don’t think Heisey will be able to play CF for long.
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You're right, I was using mid-season age listed by bbref.
Drew Stubbs might be a gold-glove defender, but he wasn’t this year in my opinion (same goes for Bruce)…and he hit about as well as Juan Castro did for the Reds in 2003: awful.
I agree that Heisey might be a less-exposed Stubbs. But I am unconvinced that Stubbs will improve from his current showing, whereas Heisey has shown enough potential that other teams covet him. I don’t think Heisey is an all-star in waiting, but I think that he could have an all-star year or two. I don’t think Stubbs will be an all-star; he hasn’t shown the ability to successfully adapt.
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
What about the 70ish SBs that Stubbs has over Heisey?
I agree with you to an extent, but thats a major part of Stubbs’ value too.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 6, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
Are stolen bases a good idea at an 80% success rate?
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
Right around the high 70's.
I DO side with the players, however, who stress that speedy baserunners can be a MAJOR distraction, which has SOME value.
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
But I guess my main point is that the difference between them ain't much.
So trade one of ‘em, and let’s get some starting pitching.
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
THE BOOK
actually states that speedy baserunners are a distraction . . . to the batter!
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
I've often thought that
It’s at least as much of a distraction to the batter as to the pitcher.
And I think I’d be happy if Dusty never called another hit and run again.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Dusty doesn't have a 30-year-old Wade Boggs on his roster.
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
Wouldn't that be awesome if did, though?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 6, 2011 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, because then Dusty Baker would be managing the Red Sox.
And would have been slurped through a timewarp back into the 1980’s and will undoubtedly run into himself at The Enchantment Under the Sea Dance.
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
Chicken prices in the Cincinnati area would skyrocket though, is it worth it?
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definition of "unclutch"
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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 6, 2011 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
I thought it was 70. Either way, 80% is just fine.
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by nycredsfan on Dec 6, 2011 5:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yes, 80% is good.
But isn’t stealing bases a bad idea overall? And if so, aren’t we touting how good he is at doing unadvised things that our manager loves to do? And don’t we arguably lose more games attempting 50 steals a year than attempting 10-15?
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
Stealing bases is obviously a good thing
if you have a good enough success rate, it’s a positive for the team. Also, I think some people are using SBs as a proxy for being a good baserunner which definitely has value and where Stubbs definitely is better than Heisey.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Actually, it's not obvious at all
Sabermetric studies suggest that it’s best to get on board and wait for someone to push you around the bases — preferably via the long ball. That said, attempting to steal bases should be kept to a minimum, since it risks outs. Similarly, the sacrifice bunt is a bad idea.
Haven’t you read your complimentary RR copy of THE BOOK?
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
ehh, I think that's more writ large than small
stealing is bad as a concept, but if you have someone good at it, you should let them. As in: don’t let BP steal, but let Stubbs do it.
Otherwise, it’s like arguing not to let a slugger swing because he should be generalyl trying to work the walk. You have to let players’ strengths flow within your general tactics.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Just so we have some metrics to this (however flawed)
Stubbs’ 3 years of fielding metrics: 6.3/.5/-2.5
Heisey’s 2 years of fielding metrics: 5/-.4
Stubbs running metrics: -.1/6.8/4.4
Heisey’s fielding metrics: 3.2/1.6
All are 2009-10-11 in that order
So Stubbs is clearly the better runner. I have no clue what happened last year to Reds outfielders, but you could argue that Heisey’s on par. I just don’t think you’re correct, personally.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
I don't think it's clear at all
Game Simulations Answer Baseball’s What-Ifs
The stolen base. Advancing from first to second puts the runner in scoring position, but he — and the rest of your hitters — will have a hard time scoring if he gets thrown out. Mr. Kraemer looked at a recent team that ran wild (the 2008 Tampa Bay Rays) and one that barely stole at all (the 2005 Oakland A’s) and switched their mind-sets to see what happened. The A’s scored 20 runs fewer, which probably says more about their players’ inability to run in the first place. But when the speedy Rays stole sparingly, they increased their scoring by 47 runs per season — suggesting that perhaps the Rays were running too often in real life.
Doesn’t meant stealing doesn’t ever pay, but I suspect most teams steal way more than is smart, even if they’re good at it.
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My point is not that teams often give away runs with their steal attempts
but clearly stolen bases are a good thing. A stolen base is a positive outcome. And clearly if you do it well enough, it adds value. I imagine that most teams set the bar suboptimally for stolen bases, but that’s not a problem with stolen bases. Most teams use the bullpen suboptimally too, but that doesn’t make use of relievers a bad idea.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
I again question your concept that "clearly stolen bases are a good thing."
Stolen bases are a good thing. Stealing bases is usually NOT a good thing.
Drew stole 40 bases last year. He was caught 10 times, and picked off 4 times. So he created 14 outs in exchange for 40 base-advancements (plus any advances he made on overthrows plus any distraction he caused that bothered the defense more than the offense). Some argue that 14 outs is too high a price to pay for those 40 base-advancements.
To put it in realistic terms, Dusty Baker would run less often with a less successful base stealer. So having a slower CF might lead to the Reds winning more games…if you get my point.
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
So, then, it's decided.
Stubbs > Heisey.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 6, 2011 10:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The pickoffs are sometimes included in the CS
In Stubbs’ case, I’ve got no problem giving him the green light.
I'm heading there for Alternative Xmas
He can ride with me. Hope he doesn’t mind a contact high.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
I loved your alt-xmas idea, by the way
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
It's been confirmed by a few people that they did, in fact, offer 10 years. That shit be crazy.
Apparently the main holdup on the deal is the no-trade rights. Pujols wants them, the Marlins don’t want to offer it.
I still bet he ends up back with the Cards, but if nothing else, this drives his price way up. Apparently the Cubs made him an offer too.
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10 year deal for a guy who is 35....
People are crazy
Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun
What good is a 42-year-old Pujols?!?!
He ain’t worth $20MM, I am quite sure.
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
what if they pay him 5 or 6 million more during the seasons he is worth it
and have his salary decline towards the end?
That would be better...
…because they could release Pujols when he gets too old.
But would a 35-year-old Pujols be worth $28-$30MM?
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
That is backwards from the way most contracts are structured
Making a slightly educated guess I think the front office likes low numbers early, and also the player likes it as he is more likely to perform at a high level early in his contract, so if the expensive years are later in the deal when he is more likely to decline he is harder to trade, because his numbers are worse, he is old (injury prone), and more expensive.
Contributing little more than than snark and wittiness to SBN since 2007.
and because inflation when you're talking 10 years.
Not just literal inflation but cost per win inflation, too.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Right. This is the more likely reason
Guys are given more at the end because of an assumption that what a player of his calibre is worth will get bigger over the life of the contract.
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Don't you look so fucking civilised.
I bet you want better defence out of the centre-fielder, you bloody wanker.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Dec 6, 2011 9:30 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
eh, sorry. Just bored studying and finding the need to pick at other people to hide my own insecurities.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
If you're suddenly British, I better start hearing some cunts and fags, boy
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Cunt isn't really as popular there as it is here.
Don’t ever say the word “fanny” though.
Also, they are very fond of telling people to “sod off”.
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When you get a monocle and top hat in the RR Secret Santa Gift Exchange, don't be surprised
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
You'd have to build some CRAZY inflation into your model for the answer to be yes
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Is it just me
or is it much slower today? I cleared my schedule this morning/afternoon so that I could stay on top of the torrent of rumors, but there ain’t no torrent.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 6, 2011 12:11 PM EST reply actions
There's always torrents in the banana stand
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
by ChiDa on Dec 6, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
It's Dallas, so it's only 10:30 there.
Things’ll get crazy in the afternoon. Also, Pujols drama so far this morning has been pretty entertaining.
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Bored?
Here, read this article about Joey Votto.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Castellini has more to say than Jocketty in Votto's future.
Y’all are right. Dude wants to get paid.
Also, lovely, charming, Canadian-British-English diction to wrap up the article:
But he’s not any replicas of his National League MVP trophy.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
did you actually clear your schedule for the Winter Meetings?
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Deeznuts are not
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by jch24 on Dec 6, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
But Clark bars are awesome.
Oh what a difference Chocolate can make.
by Joe Nolan's Neckbeard on Dec 6, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
zagnuts have coconut
which doesn’t belong with peanut butter.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Those fuckers killed John Candy...
I want to hate Tim Tebow, but for some reason, I don't
by Joe Nolan's Neckbeard on Dec 6, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
How about the Zero bar?
Aptly named in my opinion.
by Joe Nolan's Neckbeard on Dec 6, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
Zero, Sky, Zagnut...
any of the “old school” candy bars are “old school” for a reason.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
I saw a Chunky the other day at the drug store...
…I miss the Marathon bar from the 1970’s.
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
Agreed
I figure Walt’s the kinda guy who would eat them though. Somebody has to eat them. They wouldn’t keep making them if nobody ate them.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 6, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Look who is tweeting
@JohnnySmith28
Johnny Smith street-volquez gets done if COL throws in Jonathan Herrera.
Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun
Yep
the only thing holding back the deal is that the Rockies won’t throw in a shitty middle-infielder.
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Shitty middle-infielders have been a hot commodity this offseason
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
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Holy Gee-zuz .... give the guy #52 so that my jersey is useful again
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by joshuar9476 on Dec 6, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Holy shit
Remember BASEketball? Check out their Miami uniforms.
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by jch24 on Dec 6, 2011 12:51 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Well, considering BASEketball came out more than a decade ago, I think they'd have the better case
Although, even if there aren’t any lawsuits to come from this, I’m thinking at the very least a South Park episode is in order.
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by BK on Dec 6, 2011 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
Wow. Pujols shit is hitting the fan today (see what I did there?)
Marlins think they’ll have an answer on their contract offer by this afternoon.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
there's a "young Dmitri Young" thing MLB Network did.
And some priceless photos on GIS if you want to find them.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
I know it seems counterintuitive
but I’m starting to think it might not be such a good idea if the Cards don’t re-sign Pujols. I’m kind of banking on their club hamstringing itself for the long run, and if they suddenly have another $20-25 mil per year to play with, I have a feeling a lot of that will be put to good use.
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
Yeah
I think the Cards are secretly hoping that he signs elsewhere. They got the best years of the best player of recent memory for a laughably reduced price. They can walk away from the table right now as irrefutable winners.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 6, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Didnt we say the same thing (on an admittedly smaller scale)
With Josh Hamilton?
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 6, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
I did
We got good value out of Hamilton for very little cost. I think that’s what KMiB is alluding to.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 6, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
sold high, so to speak
As in sold while stoned as shit.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 6, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, but there's a huge difference between
trading away a guy with 5 years of team control and not re-signing a player to a ridiculous contract after he’s already shown signs of decline.
The Cards aren’t “selling high.” They are knowing when to walk away, and when to run.
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I think it still applies
They could cash in while they are ahead, in much the same way the Reds did with Hobbs.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 6, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
See above
Where i said “on an admittedly smaller scale.”
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 6, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
If Pujols outplays whatever contract he signs this offseason
well, I don’t even know what to say. It simply won’t happen.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Well, Dr. Pokeystick said it, not us.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 6, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
exactly
I don’t think they’d be all that bummed if he leaves. They become immediate frontrunners for Rollins, and possibly they throw an offer at Buehrle too
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
Pujols is in decline
He doesn’t have another 9 WAR season in him. Declining Pujols is still a great player, but he’s human. And a 10-year contract will be murder on whomever signs it.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 6, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
honestly, at this point my hatred goes 1) Cards 2) Cubs
The Cubs just aren’t a threat, and haven’t been as whiny or pissy lately
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
The Cubs just aren’t a threat
it looks like someone forgot about a little thing I like to call “The David DeJesus Signing™”
Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
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awww dangit.
The first thing they needed was a real outfielder.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
It's the fans, dude.
I hate ignorant-assed Cubs fans. Now and forever.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 6, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Hear, hear!
I want to hate Tim Tebow, but for some reason, I don't
by Joe Nolan's Neckbeard on Dec 6, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
I'm going to start replying to things I disagree with by saying "Huh, huh?"
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
'CReds Reporter: Unfortunately, the "Huh, huh?"
"Red Reporter - An elitist clique full of like-minded douchebags." - BK
by ZJiff30 on Dec 6, 2011 6:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I figure they would get an OF
and move Berkman to first.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 6, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
They don't even get an OF
They have Allen Craig right now and nowhere to play him.
Berkman to 1B, Craig to RF. Then they spend the money on a middle infielder. Not a bad scenario at all.
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Public relations, can't let Pujols walk without a "fight"
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Pujols' agent is apparently an expert at
pubic relations.
by Joe Nolan's Neckbeard on Dec 6, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
I was about to do a "ftfy"
but then realized you had already done it. A REC FOR YOUR NECKBEARD SIR
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
Pujols to Craig is a 3-4 loss move...
akin to losing Wainwright for the season. It’s pretty significant for 2012-15.
Sign Roy O
It's a 3-4 loss move if you are counting 07-09 Pujols
The current vintage of Pujols isn’t 3-4 wins better than Craig. At least not every season, for sure. And even if he is, you are losing 3 wins but gaining $25 million. Sounds like a pretty good deal.
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Maybe not right now.
But y’all haven’t had any truly good middle infielders in forever. Rollins would be an upgrade, for one.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
Fielder for six years or Rollins for three would be okay...
Oswalt for two would be great. All it takes is one irrational team though…
Sign Roy O
Sure, but the point is,
you are 3-4 wins weaker with more than enough money to make up for that.
Maybe you just sign Rollins, and only make up 2 of the 3-4 wins. So, you’re 1-2 wins worse in 2012, but presto, you aren’t on the hook for hundreds of millions of dollars to a declining player in his late 30s!
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I agree...
it’s not worth signing him. Maybe the Cardinals will take their nickels and make a run at someone. How about Garcia and one of our third baseman for Votto?
Sign Roy O
beltran?
@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Dec 6, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
also: Losing Wainwright is apparently just not a big deal.
Do you think he gets a ring?
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
oh, that was you
I just saw Farney RT it and didn’t see who it came from. Danke.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
I like this one
I don’t remember which one of you sick bastards posted it here, but it was one of youse. Probably Slyde.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I am both thoroughly amused and totally horrified
well done Bubba, you have successfully confused my soul. Pretty sure Pinhead from Hellraiser is going to show up any time now
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
I was about to go looking for this one.
The all-time winner as far as I’m concerned.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
this has GOT to be doctored
that’s like some Dr. Moreau bat-bunny hybrid
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
My daughter cried bloody murder for both the Easter Bunny and Santa this year
Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun
I don't dabble in that shit
it had Madville written all over it.
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not perverted enough
Made me look it up. It was Brendanukkah.
He hasn’t been around much lately, has he? Ran off and joined the foot fairies.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
his girlfriend
isn’t stopping him from posting at the SB Nation soccer blogs.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
He said it wasn't fun here.
I bet if we start greening all of his comments he’ll come back!
It feels so nice to be back to normal
he already got a ridiculous number of green comments
I suspect his loss of interest was more because of the Reds’ suckitude this year, and the endless bickering that resulted.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
in all fairness
he wasn’t helping the problem
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 6, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
ಠ_ಠ
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Dec 7, 2011 9:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
neither was I
but I’d like to think that I improved my behavior
and Hell, I even started watching soccer
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 7, 2011 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
/This Place Used To Be Fun'd™
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by nycredsfan on Dec 7, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You already have.
You already have.
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 6, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I thought this was going to be a Charlie Scrabbles old yimey photo, for sure
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Nats are apparently dead set on a CFer
What if we packaged Stubbs and Billy Hamilton for Jordan Zimmermann? Would it take more? Probably, but I think that’d at least get them to listen
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
I'd rather have the other Zimmerman
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
There is no other Zimmerman
I assume you mean Jordan Zimmermann
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
Ryan zimmerman
Of the soon to be “Ryan’s Reds”
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 6, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
Aw shit, I read that wrong
That’s what I get for trying to multitask
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
it's more a starting point
how much more would it take?
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
Today is BORRRING.
Make a shitty trade if you must, Walter, but damnit DO SOMETHING!
Can’t he see how bored we are?
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 6, 2011 1:46 PM EST reply actions
I hear they're in on Chone Figgins
(are you SURE you want him to make a shitty trade?)
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
For Arroyo and 19 million, why not?
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 6, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
send Arroyo anywhere
just to get rid of him
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 6, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
Menage a trois!
Stubbs to the Nats, Shields to the Reds, Drew Storen to the Reds, with Alonso, Grandal, and a decent Nats prospect going to the Rays.
Crazy?
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 6, 2011 1:58 PM EST reply actions
hmm...Stubbs/Alonso/Grandal is a lot to give up
but Shields and Storen is a goooood haul. I’d lean towards yes, but I dunno if the Nats do that
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
If I'm the Nats I do that in a heartbeat
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
Yeah, the the Reds would need a LF...still.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 6, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
With Shields in there, I'd be OK trying Heisey and Sappelt
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
Heisey would be in CF, right?
So itd be Sappelt and Frazier as the LFs.
Could be worse i suppose.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 6, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
So Sabean says that Lincecum is totally off-limits, even if they don't work out an extension
I know it’s wishful thinking, but good god what would we have to give up to get Cain? Is he just as untouchable?
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
my sources say they will keep cain as long as they are abel
by 'tHan on Dec 6, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Could be this guy
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
mostly I'm just grumpy because
I have to link, not hotlink, to my proof that cats aren’t as bad as y’all say.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Dec 6, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
nothing wrong with an old fashion on the sidelines
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
Walt must have eaten too many eggsalad sandwiches at lunch and is sleepy now.
Do something, Reds.
Dirt Bikes!
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Dec 6, 2011 3:04 PM EST reply actions
Fer serious!
What’s Johnny Smith tweet-fabricating about now?
We trading for Swisher or something?
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 6, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
This is why you guys love me
Did you know you can get crabs in your eyelashes?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
This is insane
MLB Trade Rumors is reporting that the Fish are offering Pujols 10 years, over $200 million.
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Yes, MLB Trade Rumors is reporting that
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by Slyde on Dec 6, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's a good day to be a fish fan
More WSChampionships may be on the way soon
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
That makes me wonder
Would you be okay with the Reds making those three moves RIGHT NOW if it meant a World Series championship in 2011 or 2012? It’s a no-brainer “Yes!” for me.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I've been drnking legally for 20 since the Reds won a WS
I vote yes
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
He meant he's pregnant with twenty-uplets and therefore needs a lot of alcohol to keep them drunk.
That’s the correct term, I’m sure.
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by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Dec 7, 2011 8:41 AM EST up reply actions
Absolutely I would.
And I might even hate Puholes less if we were guaranteed a WS title next year.
Go Colts Dammit!
Good article by Cameron on Pujols' age.
Linked here. Good read all around, as well as the comments for the most part. But there’s one line in there that’s absolutely a stake in the heart of Reds fans:
Pujols was the best prospect in the Midwest League in 2000, but his .324/.389/.565 line wasn’t historically dominating or anything – Austin Kearns hit .306/.415/.558 as a known 20-year-old that same year in that same league,
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
If only he'd never been injured
he was really good
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
no thanks
flyball pitcher with a high walk rate. I think Homer’s numbers in GABP would be better than Gio’s numbers in GABP.
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
by UncleWeez on Dec 6, 2011 7:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
this is a rhetorical question
right?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 6, 2011 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
No, Ewok is actually Billy Beane and you are actually Walt Jocketty.
But Ewok isn’t going to wait forever for you to make up your mind.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Dec 7, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
so Ewok is gonna bend me over?
I’m strangely ok with that
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 7, 2011 8:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Dear FordhamRam - A challenger has appeared for Comment of the Week
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I mean Ewok is no Joey Votto
but I’ll do what I gotta do to bring in some extra money
and if I’m Walt in this role play, Homer & Yonder for Neo Gio is a no brainer, send ’em to the Bay Area
just use some lube, Ewok (aka Billy Beane), when you show me your Moneyball(s)
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 7, 2011 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
I want to hide this back here where nobody's looking for it
but I think this is probably your favorite .gif if you haven’t known about it already. You were the first person I thought of, for however weird that may be.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Mystic Pizza is pretty turrible, IMO
just like Ted’s in Meriden, and Louis Lunch in New Haven
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 7, 2011 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
What would it take to get Hanley?
If the fish miss on pujols and if they don’t?
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
Rosenthal saying the Reds
are kicking the tires on Jack Wilson and have contacted Sidney Ponson’s reps.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 6, 2011 5:01 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
The Sidney Ponson part is just you completely messing with us, right Pops??
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Quit it Pops
I’m seriously right now
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
by kcgard2 on Dec 6, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hey, it's his tomorrow.
C’mon, it’s everything.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 6, 2011 6:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think all of it is him messing with us
Ponson has just said he’s not interested in pitching. He’s thinking about buying boat.
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The Marlins finished 30 games behind the Phils?
They gotta go all in this offseason
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
if they can get a 30 WAR player they will be in great shape!
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Sign Pujols, and trade Gaby Sanchez for Charley Radbourn!
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 6, 2011 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, fight fan.
How did you feel about the Broner fight?
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 6, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
Obviously, this may not be the right place to talk
considering the persona bit that I’m having fun with.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 6, 2011 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
Didn't get to go to the fight after all, but from what I've seen and read
Broner took care of business like he was supposed to. Rodriguez went for the brawl and KO; Broner knocked him on his ass.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 6, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
HBO is offering it on-demand.
My wife and I were front row and on camera for the entire fight. Floyd was about 4 feet from us and chatty with Andre Breto. I’m far right on the screen during the fight. Berto got tired of me. He sat next to me with a very, very fine looking woman, but I figured Al Haymon guys get tired of smart people. So, he moved.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 6, 2011 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
Adrien's a Haymon guy....
but I digress.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 6, 2011 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
Neat story, now I just need to find someone with HBO
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 6, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, Broner kicked his ass.
Short upercut that stunned him in the 3rd round….then a flurry… then a hook to the body then a devastating left hook…..with a few misses in between…..but Broner is a finisher. Cincinnati has one.. This shit is rare. No drugs. Just a crazed kid that will finish.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 6, 2011 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
how has nobody said anything about the fact that this guy's name is Broner?
as in, what happens when Ed Hardy pounds a Four Loko in front of your frat buddies and DJ Pauly D is spinning in the background
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
by UncleWeez on Dec 7, 2011 12:29 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Happy holiday season everyone.
I hope all your dreams come true.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 6, 2011 5:29 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Well, maybe.
This lady appears not to give a shit.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 6, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
i believe that's 1.75L of Appleton Estate Rum
@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Dec 6, 2011 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
She looks like one of The Wild and Wonderful
Whites of WV. Actually her teeth are way too nice.
I want to hate Tim Tebow, but for some reason, I don't
by Joe Nolan's Neckbeard on Dec 6, 2011 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
If I've told you once, I've told you 100 times
Stop posting pics of my mom on here. I’ve come to grips that you guys have a “thing” going but this crosses the line.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Any y'all catch Mike Leach's press conference?
One of the most entertaining things I’ve seen in a while. EDSBS compared him to Snow White in the forest, with birds landing on his shoulder and deer eating out of his hand. Color me a Cougs fan.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
So Hanley prefers a trade over a position change
I really want to see him in a Reds uni. Plus If it does happen that opens up Cozart to someone who missed out on Ramirez.
Whoa - that's for realsies.
Hanley talk may now begin – for the first time - in earnest.
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
i can't wait until hanley is a red
and he & bruce have their first eating contest. griffey can be celebrity judge. it will be epic
by 'tHan on Dec 6, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
A co-worker of mine just got back from an Arizona vacation yesterday
He told me his wife is friends with Reggie Sanders’ wife and he had dinner with Reggie, Reggie’s wife, and Jr. in Phoenix this past weekend as they were in town for a memorabilia show.
He said Junior’s looking a little swollen. Not in the good way though. He said he’d bet Ken packed on about 20 lbs. Ken also said he hated playing in Cincinnati, but I think we all kind of knew that.
Dirt Bikes!
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Dec 7, 2011 8:47 AM EST up reply actions
His Cincinnati years were a drag
he was constantly hurt and the fans were angry with him for not being Jesus Christ in a uniform.
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I wonder if this has had any influence on Joey
He spent some time with Jr in ‘07-’08. Maybe his takeaway was that you don’t want to get yourself locked in somewhere because if it ends up sucking, you’re stuck.
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sure, but spending all of that time around each other
Votto seems sensitive that stuff. Maybe Jr was so bitter at that point that Votto jumped to some conclusions about how he would handle himself in a similar situation.
And it’s all speculative, but PDoc would really appreciate it if we can attach Votto’s departure to Griffey and Dunn.
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hey, fay wants them to bring back dmitri
maybe they could also bring in pokey reese. i’m sure they’d both be anxious to blame griffey for votto’s departure
I'm 99% sure that Hanley is going nowhere
Ozzie will sit him down and change his mind. Hanley is just being a petulant little bitch ass right now, but it’ll pass.
That being said, he will be a Red. I’m 99% sure of that.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 6, 2011 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
Hanley is always griping about something
His reaction thus far has been pretty good, for him.
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please god yes
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 6, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
Listen cunt.....it's time to leave now....
That’s it. That’s what I usually say to that expression.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 6, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
please renew my subscription to your newsletter
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 6, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
Guys, did you start a Bring Pujols to Cincy pool and forget to tell me?
Who’s the mystery team?
"Red Reporter - An elitist clique full of like-minded douchebags." - BK
ack
If the Reds sign Pujols for more than 10 years, $220 million, we might as well trade Votto now.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
This is an excellent guess.
The Cubs would be the other smart guess.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
so what's the deal with "mystery team"
Is it that they asked the agent not to say? Or that the reporters know, but are told not to say? Or is it just a doggie treat thrown out to all of hte fanbases out there?
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
My guess is the team told the agent not to say, and are trying to sneak in and steal him.
Which tells me it could be the Cubs.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
Angels, according to Rosenthal.
So what would they do with Mark Trumbo and/or Kendrys Morales?
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Dec 6, 2011 11:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's a classic agent move used a lot by Scott Boras to ensure they get the money they're looking for
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
good gravy
All three offers are for ten years and at least $200MM, according to Nightengale.
That’s crazy.
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I know, I know, no .gifs
but seriously. This happened.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Dec 6, 2011 9:14 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
Why did that need to be a gif?
Other than to illustrate that Krist looks like a cardboard cutout.
Go Colts Dammit!
Krist Novoselic
is taller than Sir Charles, Dave Grohl is much shorter and Cobain is much, much deader.
I want to hate Tim Tebow, but for some reason, I don't
by Joe Nolan's Neckbeard on Dec 6, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
Chuck is only about 6'4" or 6'5" according to my sources
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I met Chuck once
he was a non-resident member at the first golf club I was an Assistant Pro
He ain’t much taller ’tHan ’tHan
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 7, 2011 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
I love this. Thank you.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 6, 2011 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
It really is fantastic.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 6, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
I thought this thread died!
Someone made Day 2 Thread 2! Pujols contract over $220 million for 10 years, Reds win regardless of where he signs!
@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Dec 6, 2011 9:34 PM EST reply actions
we could use the CMM thread that's sitting up top, with nary a single comment
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
My iPhone keeps stopping on Watch the Throne
No one knows what it means, buts its provacative and GETS THE PEOPLE GOING!
@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Dec 6, 2011 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
The War on Drugs
St. Vincent, Wax Idols, Mind Spiders, Kurt Vile, EMA, Fucked Up, Fair Ohs, Wye Oak, Yuck
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
digging Wax Idols (first one chosen based purely on band name) so far.
Thanks!
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
"Tear it Up" parts 1 &2
by Billy Wade & the 3rd Degree has been on repeat for a couple days.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
the new my morning jacket is awesome, but its not really that "new" anymore
@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Dec 6, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
Arrrrggggggh!!
I wanna hear about Pujols’ decision concerning the Marlins’ offer before I get off the Interwebz for the night.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
Not happening tonight . . .
hopefully there’s news in the morning.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 7, 2011 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
Rosenthal says the Angels
are getting calls about Ervin Santana in anticipation of Anaheim signing C.J. Wilson. Maybe the Reds will get in on that, although the teams don’t match up particularly well.
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Dec 6, 2011 10:17 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I feel like every winter there's calls for a Reds-Angels trade that never happens.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Because in the past it was purported to involve Gary Matthews Jr.
My God, get real…
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
$11.2 million in 2012 with a team option for $13 million in 2013
He’s probably worth that, but I’m not sure if the Reds have that kind of room in the budget.
And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head flown off
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Dec 6, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
No...
No thank you.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 6, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
But I'm conflicted as always.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 6, 2011 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
Day 2
Reds pull shocker. They sign Pujols on a 2 year, 10 mil deal (haha take that Miami!). Trade teh Stubbers to the Angels for Ervin Santana. Trade Alonso and Heisey for Hanley. Resign BP. And while I’m making all of this up, they traded B.Ham and Sapps to the Cardinals for Yadier and Carpenter.
Cingrani for 2012 Closer!
I would have to stop being a Reds fan if they acquired NeckTat and Karen
Edmonds was bad enough. I couldn’t handle those two fuckers.
And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head blown off
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Dec 6, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Question
If you are on a blind date and meeting somebody for the first time do you shake their hand? A hand shake seems too formal for a date, but at the same time a hug seems too personal.
Contributing little more than than snark and wittiness to SBN since 2007.
I think you go with the half hug.
Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Dec 6, 2011 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
that says "ur not attractive"
@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Dec 7, 2011 3:11 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
This is probably the best bet
Only if she goes in for it first
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by BK on Dec 7, 2011 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
I probably would, but
a) I’m a big handshake guy (unless my germophobia kicks in)
and
b) I’ve never been on a blind date.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 6, 2011 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
I've never been on a blind date
I have been on a half blind date though.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Dec 7, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you, or her?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 7, 2011 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
the crazy psycho ex only has one eye
Makes for some interesting red eye problems in pics, I always found that amusing.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I believe that to be true
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 7, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
you don't shake a woman's hand
unless she offers first.
Disregard if your blind date is a guy.
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by BubbaFan on Dec 6, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Is this longstanding etiquette?
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 6, 2011 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
yes
Practically speaking, these days not many women would be offended if you shook her hand without her offering.
However, the basic principle is still applicable. The woman is the one that sets the pace – how close, how fast.
There is a lot of regional variation, too. We Yankees tend to be standoffish (except the ones of Italian descent). Southern women are the most likely to be offended if you shake their hands without their offering. OTOH, men hug women they don’t know well in the south, and it’s considered fine, while doing that here in the northeast is likely to get you branded as some sort of pervert.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I just sorta naturally shake people's hands when I meet them, I don't even really think about it.
I should be a politician.
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not all hand shaking is awkward, touching is
This has nothing to do with where ur from, it’s all about the delivery and confidence.
If you are awkward or feel awkward it’s going to be awkward regardless level of contact. This is a universal rule.
@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Dec 6, 2011 11:53 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
but
some kinds of touching are not appropriate, no matter how confident you are.
Where that line is drawn does differ regionally in the US (not to mention internationally).
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I'm with Bubba
DO NOT SHAKE A GIRL’S HAND especially on a date! That’s as bad as asking her if you can kiss her. Blech. Have you been talking to this woman at all? If you two have been texting or talking back and forth but just haven’t met face to face yet, a quick hug would be totally appropriate.
I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
In fact, I would go as far as to say
don’t shake a woman’s hand in a social situation EVER, unless she offers first. Fist bumps are good though.
I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
by darthmom on Dec 7, 2011 7:25 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Fist bumps work in every situation.
Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Dec 7, 2011 9:11 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
there are professional exceptions
and I ain’t talkin’ in that Jerry Springer “your money’s on the dresser” kinda way
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 7, 2011 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
"The woman is the one that sets the pace "
I prefer it at a medium pace.
Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun
by btcoop71 on Dec 7, 2011 8:41 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
we need to see the following on Amazon and at our local library:
BubbaFan’s Guide to Proper Etiquette In the Modern World of Dating
Individuality: Always remember that you are unique. Just like everybody else.
I shook a woman's hand today
albeit it after turning down a job offer and thanking her for her time
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 7, 2011 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
You'll know what to do.
If you don’t….pretend. Truth is relative, and then honesty becomes the most important thing in the world until you realize that it’s all about leanring who he/she i…..s and by that time you’ve already sacrificed your friends and convictions….so you might as well follow through….then the choice presents itself…..this hot chick and a life of…..or me, alone forever.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 6, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
is this a parody of something I would write?
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Everything is, you sociopath.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 6, 2011 11:38 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I was born in the 80s
EVERYTHING IS ABOUT ME AND I AM GOD’S OWN SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE AND THE WORLD SHOULD CONFORM TO MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!
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dude
you clearly missed Nancy Reagan’s message and war
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 6, 2011 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
the ass out hug
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 6, 2011 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
Or that.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 6, 2011 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
Sup, Pops?
I was hanging out with your former coworker Emily Maxwell this weekend.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
She is a lovely girl.
A true lady.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 6, 2011 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
With a job....
that sucks hind tit.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 6, 2011 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
Hey now...
Watch yourself….I’m an old married dude. But, certainly, for serious exposure on the internet that can never disappear….she’s hideous.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 6, 2011 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
So....we've come all this internet way....
Wait until you meet my wife. JCH can testify…..C’mon over… Jean-Robert and Annette spend Christmas here… with us….it’s a godamned classic scene.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 7, 2011 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
It's strange that we know so many people in common,
but have never met each other.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
Yeah, man.
You want to have a drink?
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 7, 2011 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
We do need to meet up sometime.
Maybe when Jeannie is working at the Table.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
Done.
Are you with Dolly these days in Crestview….or have the opportunities presented themselves elsewhere?
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 7, 2011 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
still there, sadly
waiting on the Real Housewives of Crestview Hills.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
But Emily
Is one of two people I had any respect for at WCPO. She’s gonna be alright. She’s a smart person.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 7, 2011 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
We need to get together soon, damnit
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
how blind is the date?
Did u chat at all through FB or text? Because the first thing out of your mouth is “nice to finally meet you in person”
This question is completely answered by the female’s comfort level with said blind date.
I personally think u can’t go wrong with a two handed shake, kinda like how a pastor shakes hands but more affectionate.
@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Dec 6, 2011 11:47 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
just like a pastor shakes hands...
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
by -ManBearPig on Dec 6, 2011 11:51 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
that is a priest
@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Dec 6, 2011 11:58 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I don't like the two-handed shake
Leave that for politicians.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I don't think shaking with two hands is ever acceptable.
It is just weird.
Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson
a-fucking-greed
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 7, 2011 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
Offer her a high five, then a down low, then a too slow
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Solution: a mutually agreed secret handshake set before the date
That solves your problem and you can pretend you don’t know it if she’s ugly.
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Dec 7, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
The Pirates re-signed Nate McLouth
Aw, that’s sweet. Most Pirates players can’t wait to get out of Pittsburgh. McLouth didn’t want to leave. He cried when he was traded. Now he gets to go back. He’s old and sucky now, but still.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
this guy
Hopefully he has a better haircut now.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
actually at first glance I thought he was Bronson Arroyo.
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I thought it was
Brigitte Nielsen.
I want to hate Tim Tebow, but for some reason, I don't
by Joe Nolan's Neckbeard on Dec 6, 2011 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
Brad
from Home Improvement
Jack McKeon on 2000 Reds "We have more MRI's than RBI's on this club."
by dunnateher on Dec 7, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
wow over 4000+ comments on Vivo El Birdos on Pujols in past 2 days
@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Dec 7, 2011 12:00 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Over 450 comments on here in half a day even though we have no money and are talking to no one.
Go Colts Dammit!
Imagine if we did have money, and we were talking to someone.
I bet we could crack 750.
Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson
they are freaking the fuck out about losing Pujols
Especially now that there is an Angels $250+ rumor out there
@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Dec 7, 2011 12:23 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
do they want to keep him?
Even if it costs $220 million and ten years?
(And will that be us in a couple of years, when Joey’s contract is up?)
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I don't see Joey ever signing for that length of time anywhere
based on what he has said in the past. But yeah, that will be us. :(
I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
I think he might do it
It’s not really as restrictive as you might think. If he decides he doesn’t want to play baseball any more, he can retire any time. He won’t be paid for the years he doesn’t play, but he can quit any time.
And if he wants to be traded, he’ll probably be traded. Teams don’t like to hold hostages.
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It'll be interesting to see what he does as a free agent
Barring some miracle, it’ll be sad for CIncy.
I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
In other totally unexpected news...
Jon_Heyman: #reds talking to #rays about tampas starters. Have inquired on james shields. price tag surely high. Davis, niemann not as high [via Twitter]
I've heard they're trying to get rid of Niemann
One of Paul Janish’s teammates at Rice, and one of the reasons he ended up a shortstop instead of a pitcher.
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Price is high means nothing
We have the currency to play the game. I’m still disappointed we didn’t get Greinke last year.
@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Dec 7, 2011 12:25 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Not sure we have a fit with the Rays
They need a shortstop. They might need a CFer, if Upton is traded, so Heisey might be of interest. But they really need a SS. Brignac was worse than Janish, with the bat and the glove.
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I guess they don't want to try Sean Rodriguez there, huh?
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
they kinda did
But I guess they weren’t that impressed.
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they do
But they tend to sign veterans to short-term deals for that, and for DH. As has been pointed out elsewhere, first basemen are not in short supply.
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They could also use a good catcher, just like almost every other team in the league.
Which is why Dusty’s bullshit about them keeping both guys gives me agita.
Also, I’m sure the Rays would take Alonso and his 6 years of team control.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
they would
But they might not be willing to pay as much as the Reds think he’s worth.
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They're exactly the kind of organization that would value Alonso the most
it’s why a Reds-Rays trade just makes too much sense for everyone involved.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Well I just hope Walt deals for SOMEONE of value this week.
Also, shouldn’t players be lining up to be traded? We do have a certain Joseph Votto and J. Bruce on this team… don’t see what’s not to like here.
Dang!
Woke up expecting to see some sort of action only to find a big bag of nothin’. No Pujols overpay, no tradefor a starter, and we still havent signed Manny.
Dang!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 7, 2011 8:02 AM EST reply actions
dong
Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson
MLB Trade Rumors
did post a couple of rumors involving the Reds at about 2am last night.
Supposedly, the Reds are one of the teams pursuing Gio Gonzalez. He’s the most popular target at winter meetings, though, so he’ll be expensive. There’s talk of the Yanks trading Montero for him. Oakland wants Montero, one of Betances or Banuelos, plus hot center-field prospect Mason Williams. They probably won’t get all that, but they’ll get a lot. I hate to think what the Reds would have to give up. Mesoraco and Heisey, maybe?
The other rumor was that Alonso was the trade block, perhaps to the Rays. But he’s not enough to get Shields, and the Reds probably don’t want to give him up for Niemann or Wade.
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Rumors, schmumors
Action! Although it was nice to see the Shields mention. At least we know Walt has his eyes on the right prizes…even if he doesn’t know how to get them.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 7, 2011 8:34 AM EST up reply actions
Walt give up that kind of haul for Gonzalez.
He is better just trying Volquez in the rotation again.
Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson
*Walt wouldn't
Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson
Is anyone putting up a new thread?
Who the hell’s in charge here anyway?
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 7, 2011 9:44 AM EST reply actions
You're a mod...do it!
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
I'm on my phone sitting in a truck.
Which means perhaps I could fya a quick one together.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 7, 2011 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
There's a new winter meetings thread
if y’all wanna mosey on over there.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 7, 2011 10:08 AM EST reply actions
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