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What's Left on the shopping list?

Walt made a list. He checked it twice. Or at least he checked it once and read as far as "GET THE BEST STARTING PITCHER AND SET-UP MAN AVAILABLE."

Regardless of whether you thought they should have haggled some more in their two big deals, Priority One on the offseason checklist is done. So is whatever Priority Sean Marshall was. But there remains more to do to shore up the team for 2012. And some of the Reds' offseason moves have thinned out their depth at positions of need.

To whit, two possible future closers - or at least fringe members of the 2012 bullpen - were shipped out in the Latos deal in Boxberger and Volquez. So was Yonder Alonso, who figured to get some of the starts in LF. Then Dave Sappelt went to Chicago, further pruning the left field depth chart.

Possibilities for left field

According to the pre-Christmas opinion poll about Walt's next exciting move, a full 60% of you think he should go get a left fielder. I'd say that's fair, given the fact that the Reds probably don't have a full-time option they trust, nor even a lefty-mashing half of a platoon. Right now, Chris Heisey would be the Opening Day starter, Todd Frazier would probably be getting some reps there and Dennis Phipps or possibly Juan Francisco with *Yonder Alonso Action* would be your fifth outfielder.

What outfielders are potentially still available, worth considering and within the Reds' budget? Here's the list I came up with:

  • Seth Smith (w/ Rockies): He's gotten some attention here as the Rockies seemed to be shopping him and were being linked to the Reds in trade talks earlier this offseason. Now that Walt has sent out 7 players in trades, along with Edinson Volquez (whom the Rockies were said to covet), would he shell out more for Smith? The price in prospects might be too steep at this point for a player who's only in his first year of arb and would provide sturdy corner OF defense to go with a career OPS+ of 110. He's a lefty bat, which wouldn't really matter as a full-timer. But while he mashed righties to the tune of .299/.365/.526 last season, his platoon splits were brutal.
  • Andruw Jones (FA): May be either too expensive or asking too many years at 34, but he can still hit, swings a righty bat and his defense would play nicely in LF. After changing teams for times in four seasons, he'll probably re-up with the Yankees.
  • Andre Ethier (w/ Dodgers): He's on the outermost fringes of this list as he's probably not even available. If he were available, he'd probably be too expensive in either prospects or salary (or both).
  • Carlos Quentin (w/ White Sox): He's topping some "Best OF Trade Targets" lists and would likely be in the Reds' salary range in his third year of arbitration. But aside from requiringthe team to hemorrhage more prospects, Quentin also carries considerable some risk. He's great against lefties, but pedestrian against righties. His outfield defense is suspect. And he hasn't been the most durable, playing 130 games (barely) twice in the last four seasons since becoming a permanent MLB-er.

Star-divide

  • B.J. Upton (w/ Rays): Upton is still just 27, plays great defense, steals bases and gets on base better than most players with comparable skills, while posting a .264/.372/.427 career line against lefties. But he hasn't shown the power you'd hope to get out of LF. And do the Reds want to trade with the Rays, albeit for a one-year rental, after the Latos and Marshall deals?
  • Cody Ross (FA): This is the only name on the list with a confirmed measure of interest from the Reds. The best asset to recommend Ross is his appealing career line against lefties (though we've been here before): .282/.349/.563. Unlike Jonny Gomes, Ross is a capable defender who played 22 games in CF with the Giants last season. He made $6.3M last season and while his price might be a little bit steep - or an extra year - for a possible 4th OF/platoon player, he's affordable and wouldn't require a prospect dump.
  • Kosuke Fukudome (FA): Someone will probably give Fukudome too much for a player with diminished defensive ability and pop. Fukudome is a lefty, but if he's cheap the Reds could pair him off in a platoon. They'd have a player who gets on base, could handle left field and would become the first Japanese player in franchise history.
Poll
Considering the cost (in $, prospects or both) of each, which OF should the Reds pursue?
Carlos Quentin
81 votes
Seth Smith
89 votes
Andruw Jones
106 votes
Andre Ethier
78 votes
Cody Ross
293 votes
B.J. Upton
221 votes
Someone else
180 votes
No one
201 votes

1249 votes | Poll has closed

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I voted Cody Ross, which surprised me.

But now that Krivsky, whose daughter he apparently dumped, is out of town I think it makes sense. I’d love a high-OBP guy, and while Ross isn’t it. He’s more cost-effective than Kosuke.

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by Cy Schourek on Dec 27, 2011 3:09 PM EST reply actions  

Unless Frazier/Heisey completely stink up the joint in the first few months

I’d leave LF to them. I love how aggressive Walt is being, but none of the potential trade options appear to provide substantial lift over those two. (Or within likely budget constraints) Try to find a replacement level player for a 5th OF, possibly on a minor league contract or cheap trade. It’d be nice if it’d be a slick fielder so as to function as a late inning defensive replacement, though that’d likely mean they couldn’t hit their way out of a wet paper bag.

by RedStalk on Dec 27, 2011 3:10 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Agree

I’d like an upgrade at LF, but everyone here save for Ethier and Upton wouldn’t be major upgrades. And I’d be wary of completely gutting the farm for a rental.

I was going to suggest another look at Wladimir, but he must have really tailed off in Japan because his final ‘11 numbers aren’t all that great (228/314/469; a ton of Ks).

by ken on Dec 27, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

A shame-based society?

They take great pains so that no one is offended.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 27, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

New ball

NPB consolidated its ball vendors so that only Mizuno was manufacturing the official ones. Mizuno, for whatever reason, wanted to make a deader ball.

by ken on Dec 27, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

It's closer in size to the American ball

I think they were using smaller baseballs before, but now the balls are more homegenized and also larger.

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by kcgard2 on Dec 27, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

No

Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.

by Madville on Dec 28, 2011 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

If we're talking Japan, how about Matt Murton?

He went 13-60-.311/.339/.420 last season a year earlier, he broke Suzuki’s record of 210 hits in a season. Murton is 30 and hits right-handed.

Murton probably isn’t the answer and has stated he plans to play in Japan again this season, but he at least gives us another name to discuss.

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by Thundering Turtle on Dec 27, 2011 5:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

that .028 difference between average and OBP is a bit worrisome

did the guy take more than 10 walks all year?

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by UncleWeez on Dec 27, 2011 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely! A whopping 24 in

606 plate appearances. He struck out 76 times.

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by Thundering Turtle on Dec 27, 2011 7:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Which is strange, because he had a health walk rate (9%) when he played in the States

He successfully gunned for Ichiro’s NPB single-season hit record in 2010, probably changing his approach in the process. I don’t know if he could transition back to MLB at this point.

by ken on Dec 27, 2011 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Probably right.

Maybe as a fourth outfielder with the right team.

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by Thundering Turtle on Dec 27, 2011 7:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Health walk rate of 9%?

sounds like a pretty sick walk rate in this corner.

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by JasperRed on Dec 27, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Looking it up, he was a hair above league-average for his ML career

He was a little more patient when he was playing regularly with Chicago, then walked less after 2007 when he was a bench player.

by ken on Dec 28, 2011 8:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I've liked Murton since he broke into the Bigs.

I doubt he leaves Japan for anything but the right deal, but I’d love for the Reds to give him the right deal.

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"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Dec 28, 2011 12:17 AM EST up reply actions  

He's also a really nice guy.

I talked to him by the Cubs’ players parking lot after a game in 2006. He was one of the only players to come sign stuff for fans, and he was carrying on real conversations with the fans, too. I’ll always root for him, because of that day.

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by Grahamophone on Dec 29, 2011 1:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Lastings Milledge signed with Yakult.

He’s getting less than $600,000 as a base salary.

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by Thundering Turtle on Dec 27, 2011 7:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I basically agree

and I don’t really want to see more prospects shipped out for a marginal upgrade. But if the Reds have some money to spend, I think they can do better than Frazier-Heisey-Phipps/Re-tread. Ross would improve the picture there. So would Jones, although he probably isn’t in the cards.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 27, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I was trying to think of someone else besides END that could get the Alonso treatment

like Neftali Soto. But I don’t think there’s anyone you’d actually want to see in the OF this season. Including END.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 27, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

since

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by UncleWeez on Dec 28, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

fail

since I don’t watch Seinfeld, I just thought tl;dr was making a truly, truly awful pun

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by UncleWeez on Dec 28, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Ross might make sense if Heisey hits worse as a regular player

Which may be the case, although I don’t put too much stock in the splits for Heisey’s brief career.

But I’m also not sure that Ross is any better than Frazier. Ross’ power seems to have disappeared, and he’s an average on-base guy. Frazier might be a bit worse overall but offers power upside and positional flexibility.

by ken on Dec 27, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

totally agree...

the problem is twofold…having solid defense, which heisey provides and frazier is likely to provide out there…and consistent contact with the baseball offensively…none among those others listed seems to really be much of an upgrade to what we already have, and i kind of like giving our own youngsters some more time to develop, too…

by alcory11 on Dec 28, 2011 6:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I voted Andruw.

Go big (chubby) or go home, Walter!

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 27, 2011 3:23 PM EST reply actions  

Me too

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by kcgard2 on Dec 27, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Hell, sign him for 2 years if you have to.

It’s not like he’s blocking anybody out there.

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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 27, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Cairo redux!

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by kcgard2 on Dec 27, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

no

Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.

by Madville on Dec 28, 2011 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Me three!

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by Grahamophone on Dec 29, 2011 1:43 AM EST up reply actions  

no.

Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.

by Madville on Dec 28, 2011 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

hmmm
He’s great against lefties, but pedestrian against righties. His outfield defense is suspect.

swap “pedestrian” with “awful” and that sounds a loooooooot like Jonny Gomes.

I’m unenthused. I kind of wish Walt had made a run at Reed Johnson, considering what we need. He probably would’ve been cheap, but Theo snatched him back up.

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by UncleWeez on Dec 27, 2011 4:14 PM EST reply actions  

I agree

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by kcgard2 on Dec 27, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Trade for Smith

resign Gomes,

Profit!

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 27, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I voted "Someone else"

Either Fukudome (I want that jersey) or just go ahead and re-sign Gomes teh lulz.

by FordhamRam on Dec 27, 2011 5:52 PM EST reply actions  

Yeonnis Cespedes!!

Already got one Cuban, let’s make it another. Seriously though I think it could happen. Cincinnati is probably a pretty attractive option with Chapman and the small ballpark. He won’t be THAT expensive. A bit of an unknown, but could pay off big. Plus, he looks great in red.
Check out the 14 minute mark

by vottomatic on Dec 27, 2011 6:32 PM EST reply actions  

I'd be willing to take a flyer on Upton

if he’s available. He was such a stud a few years back, and he’s not that old. Maybe moving to the NL (and out of the AL East) would help.

The Rays say they aren’t going to trade him unless they’re blown away by an offer, but what else are they going to say?

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by BubbaFan on Dec 27, 2011 6:48 PM EST reply actions  

Trade janish for Pujols

Get the Angels to eat his salary and stick him in left.
Trade Arroyo for David Wright
Trade Cairo for Hanley Ramirez.

Trade Dusty for a pack of gum.

by ThisonebelongstotheReds on Dec 27, 2011 7:16 PM EST reply actions  

your rep....

A shrewd GM, GM’s across the country are already calling Selig to complain about you!!

Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!

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by Kidd2Petrovic on Dec 27, 2011 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I voted Andruw Jones because none of the other options were appealing to me in the slightest, but even he wouldn't be that great of a pickup.

I don’t think he can be counted on for too much more than 80 games, and his production might not even be much better than Heisey. Their slash lines last year weren’t as different as one might think, and there’s reason to believe Heisey will improve and Jones will continue to decline.

by sexsalad on Dec 27, 2011 7:50 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah none of these options are thrilling

without a doubt this is the most intriguing decision Walt is faced with. The market for left fielders seems to be light, which is maybe why we saw guys like Cuddyer overpaid.

by pack_fan on Dec 27, 2011 7:57 PM EST up reply actions  

i voted other

Janish has a good arm, put him out there!

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 27, 2011 8:16 PM EST reply actions  

Stem cell research!

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 27, 2011 11:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Gotta go outside the box

How much of Jason Bay’s salary would the Mets eat?
How much did Logan Morrison upset Marlins management?
I wouldn’t mind seeing END and Cody Puckett get looks in ST.

by poojols on Dec 27, 2011 8:58 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I don't think he's really in the doghouse at all

they’ve repeatedly said he isn’t getting traded, so if they did decide to sell, he’d be eeeeeexpensive

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by UncleWeez on Dec 28, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't believe Cody Ross gets over 20%

REALLY?!?

There is only one and the answer is Carlos Quentin.

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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 27, 2011 10:00 PM EST reply actions  

Quentin has the highest floor of any of these guys

I really don’t see the any downside.

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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 27, 2011 10:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Really?

You don’t see the downside of trading good prospects for the privilege of paying Jonny Gomes2 $8 mil?

by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 27, 2011 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Quentin is a borderline Type A next

So we’ll get a prospect in compesation if he leaves. Yeah that’s what 4-5 WAR gets you.

Define “good” prospect? What do you think it would take?? Heisey, or Frazier plus a Torreyes-type is what I am guessing.

The Jonny Gomes comparason is ridiculous. Quentin had an MVP type year in 2008 then got hurt in 2009 and missed 2 months. 2010 was an off year I’ll atribute to recovery from the muscle. Jonny Gomes was a non-tendered bench bat.

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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 27, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Only behind Votto and Phillips

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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 28, 2011 12:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Or 5th

close enough though

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by kcgard2 on Dec 28, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

in hitting he would have been 3rd

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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 28, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

To be honest, I don't know what number you were looking at

so I looked for myself and his wRC would have been 5th on the Reds last year.

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by kcgard2 on Dec 28, 2011 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

because it fits your argument or because you value the statistic?

I’m honestly curious

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by UncleWeez on Dec 28, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I always use Fangraphs

I’m not nerdy enough to use whichever site best fits my argument.

I just think instead of WAR we should be focusing on value of the bat, because our defense is already awesome and LF is an offense first position. I don’t mind taking a hit on defense in LF to get a bat, while I think the opposite about CF and SS.

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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 28, 2011 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

gotcha

do you know how the metric is calculated? I can’t figure out what they use for it

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by UncleWeez on Dec 28, 2011 6:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Does it matter?

Fangraphs numbers represent an object tool to evaluate value, and that is all I need to illustrate a point

To me this is kinda like asking me what time it is then saying I really don’t know the time because I can’t build a clock.

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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 28, 2011 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure thats a very good analogy

I don’t think it out of line to question your using a stat when you have no idea what it even is.

by pack_fan on Dec 28, 2011 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I know what it is

Its an objective statistic which evaluates performance at the plate.

Here’s another example: Do you know how a weatherman calculates % chance of rain?

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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 28, 2011 8:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually, yes, most people do.

They look at the fronts approaching, the likelihood that said fronts will bring rain, the likelihood that a particular front will pass over the area and not move off course, and use all that to calculate a percentage. Do you think it’s magic or something?

by sexsalad on Dec 28, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

No, I think it is a specific answer

It is the following equation:

% Chance of rain = projected area of storm/viewing area.

I guess you don’t know what the weatherman is saying on TV.

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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 28, 2011 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm legitimately curious

but you can’t just toss out a stat without knowing/explaining what it means. I get that it is something that evaluates value. But you using some stat that we don’t get isn’t fair. I could say that he had the 1239857th best EDFLJSD of all qualifying players. EDFLJSD is a stat that is used to evaluate the value of players.

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by UncleWeez on Dec 28, 2011 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

That's the point of statistics

Using complicated data sets and trying to simplify them.

I don’t know their specific algorithm, just like I don’t know how PETCOTA, Bill James, etc project people specifically, but I do know big numbers > smaller numbers.

I get your point though. I could just be making up numbers just to prove myself right. But I didn’t, I referenced a well respected peer reviewed publication. (Fangraphs)

Next time I’ll just say Carlos Quentin would’ve had the 3rd biggest dick on the 2010 Reds and referenced tHan’s mom.

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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 28, 2011 9:19 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

'tHan's mom jokes are a bannable offense

as per corollary V section 12 article Omega (often called the “Brendan’s Mom Clause”) of the RR charter.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 28, 2011 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm glad you pointed that out

because i never would have made it far enough into a dave from louisville post to have read that part.

by 'tHan on Dec 29, 2011 8:44 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

It's getting that time of year were you and I become enemies

And Georgetown would have beat Indiana by 20 points

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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 29, 2011 8:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Officiating

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by kcgard2 on Dec 29, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

It took IU to play the best game they are going to play all year

to beat Kentucky by just merely one point in what I would consider Kentucky’s worst game of the year. Congrats to you guys for winning your biggest game in 10 years. It was only our biggest game of the week.

by ritomase on Dec 30, 2011 12:19 AM EST up reply actions  

hahaha touche

but yeah, I think it’s generally a good idea to understand the statistics you’re using. If people didn’t understand batting average, you could say that in 2011, Casey Kotchman and Melky Cabrera had a higher batting average than Jose Bautista, Troy Tulowitzki, Robinson Cano, and Josh Hamilton, therefore they are better players.

That’s why I have trouble buying you saying that Quentin would be the 3rd best hitter on the Reds because some number says he would be. If I don’t understand the stat, and you can’t explain to me how it’s calculated, then I’m skeptical.

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by UncleWeez on Dec 28, 2011 9:55 PM EST up reply actions  

You can't just ignore defense though

especially just for the sake of your argument. Quentin is a legitimately bad defender, so bad in fact that he should probably be a full-time DH. A run is a run, whether it is gained or lost by bat or glove.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 28, 2011 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

We all did for Yonder and Dunn!

I think having Stubbs and Bruce makes up for a shitty defender in LF.

After all it’s not like we’re throwing out Dunn, Griffey and Kearns

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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 28, 2011 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

The difference between Yonder and Dunn

and Quentin is that we didn’t have to give up prospects for them. We already had them. Bird in the hand all that.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 28, 2011 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

There's a lot of cognitive dissonance going on here.

First you say he’d be worth 4-5 wins and be a type-A free agent, then you say he’d only cost a 4th OF and an A ball prospect to get him. One of those statements isn’t true. My guess is neither are true.

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by nycredsfan on Dec 27, 2011 11:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Obviously there is risk of his 2010, but there is also upside

The for 4-5 WAR is my optimistic projection. If he does that in a weak market for power, he could break the 12.5 mil threshold for A status.

Also the White Sox Kinda NEED to trade an OF, they have 4 guys who should be getting PT for 3 spots….actually Rios shouldn’t be getting any but he’s not getting traded.

I’d give up Corcino for Quentin

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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 28, 2011 12:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd trade END for Quentin

Maybe sets up a Beckham trade

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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 28, 2011 12:34 AM EST up reply actions  

but what would Dave from Louisville do in response of that?

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 28, 2011 12:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Think about it

We have 4 3Bs on the 25! man roster
Rolen
Cairo
END
Frazier

One of Frazier or END gets traded by opening day.

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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 28, 2011 12:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Frazier has options

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 28, 2011 12:40 AM EST up reply actions  

i see two 3rd basemen

Rolen/END
and 2 multi- IF position guys, with one of those also seeing some outfield time

by Howie Feltersnatch on Dec 28, 2011 12:43 AM EST up reply actions  

So what I suggest

you just throw them all away.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 28, 2011 12:44 AM EST up reply actions  

throw what?

I don’t see anymore prospects going out. Juan Francisco is very unlikely to be traded since the other lefty hitting prospect is gone. If Frazier has options and plays outfield and infield, I don’t see him going anywhere either. I see a cheap LF and/or SS to make up the roster once Cordero has signed back. Who knows, maybe a bullpen guy is dealt (Bray?) once the Cordero thing is inevitable.

by Howie Feltersnatch on Dec 28, 2011 1:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Cairo

is a multi-IF guy. His natural position is probably 2B, and I’d trust him to play SS once in awhile.

Frazier I’d call a LFer and 3B. I don’t want to see him at SS or 2B unless it’s break glass in case of emergency time.

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by BubbaFan on Dec 28, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I think I'd rather see Frazier there than Cairo

but obviously, neither should be there for an extended time.

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by kcgard2 on Dec 28, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I see 2.25 Third basemen.

Fiasco = 1
Frazier = 1
Rolen = .25, he will be hurt for most of the season and he just isn’t getting any younger, darn it.

Plus Frazier can play]
1B
2B
3B
LF
SS in a pinch.

It would be almost as stupid to trade Todd Frazier as it was to to Trade Yonder Alonso.

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by Madville on Dec 28, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

You didn't answer my point

Either he’s not that good, or he’ll be really expensive to acquire.

My guess is he’d be really expensive and he won’t be that good.

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by nycredsfan on Dec 28, 2011 12:51 AM EST up reply actions  

whow whow whoa

who is he to judge who is good and bad. he i is just a mere fucking mortal like you and i cresdy.

You still got a lot to learn! ;)

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 28, 2011 12:52 AM EST up reply actions  

you will learn some day soon my child.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 28, 2011 12:55 AM EST up reply actions  

But he won't. Even if the trade package is minimal, he's gonna cost a lot of money

And there’s a good chance he won’t be worth the prospects or the money. There’s a lot of risk for minimal upside.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Dec 28, 2011 12:56 AM EST up reply actions  

why don't you see it?

@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!

by Dave from Louisville on Dec 28, 2011 1:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Is thatRob Begoyavitch(?) ?

Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.

by Madville on Dec 28, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Rod Blagojevich?

I don’t think so….

I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.

by darthmom on Dec 28, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

best governor ever

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 28, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Meh. To each their own.

How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Dec 28, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

x

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 28, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

When I was a kid, "idiot box" was what we called television

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 28, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

only way the reds would get the draft compensation

Would be if they offer him a one year 12.5M+ contract, something I am damn sure this team will not be able to risk.

This is assuming he ends up a type-A, something I think is pretty unlikely.

by pack_fan on Dec 28, 2011 3:03 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

If he puts up the kind of numbers to get Type A then he doesn't accept arb

and goes for the multiply year deal

@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!

by Dave from Louisville on Dec 28, 2011 9:26 AM EST up reply actions  

agreed

and the Reds will simply not be in a position to risk him possibly accepting it. It’s possible he ends up type B, but I’m still not sure how the new CBA treats type Bs.

by pack_fan on Dec 28, 2011 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Isn't type B eliminated?

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Dec 28, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Not sure

But I am thinking if Quentin put up a 4+ WAR year he will be getting a 3-4 year deal, meaning that he would turn down a 1 year 12.5 million offer.

The market for power next year is projected to be weak right? Or is that just Boras’s pitch for selling Fielder.

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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 28, 2011 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know, maybe

that would explain why I haven’t found anything on it (though I haven’t looked all that hard). It’s netting us a pick this year though, so I figured it must be something that was similar to what it will be in future years. I know Elias is being removed as the metric that decides the rankings, but maybe the type B status is being eliminated after this year also.

by pack_fan on Dec 28, 2011 8:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, there's no more types

The team losing the player gets comped only if they offer the player a contract with an AAV of $12.4M (which will rise in the future).

by ken on Dec 28, 2011 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Price for Quentin - whatayagot?

Here’s an article that discusses the possibilites…..they ain’t asking much.

Cincinnati Reds (via KCGARD2)

Trade ideas involving Quentin have been getting some play in Reds circles, and opinions are pretty mixed. He seems like a pretty clear upgrade to what the Reds have run out in LF the last two or three years (mainly because Jonny Gomes is easy to upgrade), but he’s no All-Star with his injury risk and all value not related to hitting being negative value. Offer: Dave Sappelt + B/C pitching prospect (such as Justin Freeman for example). Sappelt is a good defensive OF who could vie for the CF job and push De Aza or replace Juan Pierre in LF/leadoff; be insurance for Viciedo. If it seems underwhelming you have to keep in mind it’s one year of Quentin for ~$8 million(?), and that’s a lot of team control on the White Sox’ end.

http://www.southsidesox.com/2011/11/29/2595778/lets-make-a-deal-carlos-quentin

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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 28, 2011 12:50 AM EST up reply actions  

way to be a dick with so little reason

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 28, 2011 12:53 AM EST up reply actions  

+1!

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 28, 2011 8:31 AM EST up reply actions  

#dickclaim!

Buy RED: My Uncensored Life in Rock by Sammy Hagar, today

by obc2 on Dec 28, 2011 10:21 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Were you at burgers last week?

If so, sorry for not saying hi.

Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun

@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Dec 28, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

I think he sat relatively close to you, dude

"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24

by BK on Dec 28, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Now I feel like an ass

He was the only one I didn’t talk to!

Him and Than left not long after I got there though.

Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun

@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Dec 28, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

#LeaveEarlyCrew

"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24

by BK on Dec 28, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, but you were a member of the #StayLateCrew, which got you a free shot

"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24

by BK on Dec 28, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

True

Free shots are the best shots!

Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun

@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Dec 28, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Wait, I missed #FreeShots?

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 28, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I also pre-burgered

"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24

by BK on Dec 28, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

You don't get to call people fun-suckers anymore

"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24

by BK on Dec 29, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

At least not before his morning constitutional or afternoon nap

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 29, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

my new morning thing is the Kuerig

its tons of fun! (and it doesnt wake up the other folks in the house who are sleeping)

Buy RED: My Uncensored Life in Rock by Sammy Hagar, today

by obc2 on Dec 29, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

keurigs are all the rage

that was chan’s birthday present last year. i don’t get the appeal

by 'tHan on Dec 29, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Me neither

It doesn’t make good coffee and I always end up wanting more.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 29, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I've had mine for exactly a year now

It’s one of the most useful things I own.

"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24

by BK on Dec 29, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

my parents have one, and I've used it all the time over this break

however, it just kinda went kaput-ish. Sometimes it only brews a tiny amount and then just shuts off.

You were just a rich girl only having fun. Your worn out dresses brought stares from everyone. Hey little rich girl, where did you go wrong?

by boobs on Dec 29, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

It's okay to feel like an ass, you are one!

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 28, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Why do you call it hate?

He’s a decent player who isnt worth going after. That is all.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Dec 28, 2011 12:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Let's not beat around the bush.

Did he screw you over in fantasy baseball in 2009?

@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!

by Dave from Louisville on Dec 28, 2011 1:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Not at all.

I, like many others round here, think he won’t be nearly worth the prospect or money cost.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Dec 28, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I think he'd be worth the prospect cost (assuming Walt doesn't do anything stupid)

but there’s just a really really small chance that he’s worth $7 million more than Heisey. So yeah, probably not worth it.

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Dec 28, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

x

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 28, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

If it would, it would probably have a lot more exclamation marks in it.

KW seems like that sort of guy.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Dec 28, 2011 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

What is the question again that Quentin is the answer?

I’m not sure I like the question..

but I like you Dave from Louisvile

The ends justify the means

by Highlifeman21 on Dec 27, 2011 10:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Right back at you

And the question is: Who is the best available candidate to play LF AND hit in the #4 hole?

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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 27, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

he's too busy getting hit in the #2 hole.

You were just a rich girl only having fun. Your worn out dresses brought stares from everyone. Hey little rich girl, where did you go wrong?

by boobs on Dec 28, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

well..

I don’t think our LF needs to hit in the #4 hole..

I really like Logan Morrison. Like a lot.

He OPS’d .797 in 2011 with a .468 SLG in 123 G. In 2010 in 62 G, he OBP’d .390, and SLG’d .447. The SLG makes me think that he’s a .450+ SLG guy, and I feel like he could easily OBP above .350.

That says to me leadoff guy, actually.

With the other guys we have in our lineup, we could have any of the following bat #4:
Bruce
Rolen
Phillips (if he doesn’t leadoff, and I don’t really like him as the #2)
maybe even Stubbs (yup, I said it)
Francisco

I’m assuming Votto’s gonna bat #3 all year.
Personally, I’d bat Hanigan #2, but that’s me.
I have a feeling we’ll see Cozart or Heisey bat 8th, and then Stubbs and Hanigan 6/7 between the two of them.

We might even see Rolen as high as #2.

The Reds still lack a true leadoff hitter, and until then I think we’ll see Phillips there, but after that aside from Votto #3 you can really mix and match the guys in any number of ways depending on who they are facing on any given day.

If our LF has to hit #4, then in terms of who’s available, I don’t really know, but it isn’t Ross, it isn’t A. Jones, Quentin could certainly do it but what would it cost to get him, and I think Ethier is the best option but we wouldn’t get him and is he even available?

Good question though

The ends justify the means

by Highlifeman21 on Dec 27, 2011 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Logan Morrison would be great.

But I don’t think there’s any way he’s available.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Dec 27, 2011 11:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

rookie catcher hitting clean up..

certainly a decision

The ends justify the means

by Highlifeman21 on Dec 30, 2011 6:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Dig it.

How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Dec 30, 2011 9:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Posey > Mesoraco

we hope Mesoraco can be 80% of Posey

The ends justify the means

by Highlifeman21 on Jan 1, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

What's so bad about BP

With Cozart in the number two slot.

Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.

by Madville on Dec 28, 2011 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah I think I'd rather see him batting lower in the order

takes pressure off of him in what is essentially going to be his rookie season.

by pack_fan on Dec 28, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

and officially his rookie season as well!

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Dec 28, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah yeah yeah

that kind of nonsense anyway, since its mostly for award nominations or option purposes or whatever.

by pack_fan on Dec 28, 2011 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

rec'd for your last sentence

I wouldn’t hate him in the 2 spot, I’m worried though that the league might figure him out. He wasn’t a world beater in the minors.

by pack_fan on Dec 29, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd love to get LoMo.

But yeah, doubt he’s available. His defense is pretty suspect too, ain’t it?

by crolfer on Dec 28, 2011 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I dunno

I think he’s Yonder Alonso. With both bat and glove.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 28, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd trade just about anyone for LoMo

Homer and Billy Hamilton would be what I’d give up.

Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun

@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Dec 28, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Really?

He looks like Yonder Alonso to me. But with a more animated Twitter account.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 28, 2011 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

He's got more power than Yonder

His defense can’t be as bad as Yoner in the outfield.

I think he’d hit 40-50 HRs playing half his games at GABP.

Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun

@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Dec 28, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Now this is getting irrational

Better OF defender than Yonder? Yeah, sure. 40-50 HRs? You’re high.

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Dec 28, 2011 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

well, the projection certainly is

Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me

by UncleWeez on Dec 28, 2011 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

He's a better fielder than Alonso. Keep in mind the LF in MIA is way, way bigger than GABP

And wouldn’t getting Alonso’s bat back be pretty valuable?

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Dec 28, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Marlins would be idiots to deal him

But If Walt is going to trade the rest of the farm for someone to play LF, I vote LoMo

Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun

@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Dec 28, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

His twitter account is way overrated IMO

I followed him for like a week and came away very unimpressed.

You were just a rich girl only having fun. Your worn out dresses brought stares from everyone. Hey little rich girl, where did you go wrong?

by boobs on Dec 28, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah!

You were just a rich girl only having fun. Your worn out dresses brought stares from everyone. Hey little rich girl, where did you go wrong?

by boobs on Dec 28, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

a big trick of twitter is discovering who you don't need to follow

because anything interesting they have to say will be RT’ed to kingdom come.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Dec 28, 2011 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

At the risk of a pile-on...

What about Luke Scott? Supposed to be healthy by ST. Put up good numbers in Baltimore. And he’s a lefthanded hitter who can play 1B if Votto needs a day.

Phone's ringing, Dude.

by rjdio on Dec 27, 2011 11:27 PM EST reply actions  

Actually no.

Just re-read this.

Phone's ringing, Dude.

by rjdio on Dec 27, 2011 11:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't care about his politics.

Can he hit, field and run.

We Are ... Marshall!

by Thundering Turtle on Dec 28, 2011 6:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

YORE A BIRTHER!

You were just a rich girl only having fun. Your worn out dresses brought stares from everyone. Hey little rich girl, where did you go wrong?

by boobs on Dec 28, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Especially when it comes to

international signings!

We Are ... Marshall!

by Thundering Turtle on Dec 28, 2011 8:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

wrong Turtle...just wrong. You get this guy next to Speier and God nose what would happen.

Chris Speirer is the unhappiest man in baseball and the reason that the Reds did not make the play offs…why? Because he is a tea partier.

Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.

by Madville on Dec 29, 2011 2:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I would say most coaches/players/GMs in MLB are pretty conservative

1. Most are white
2. They are the 1%
3. I’ve never met a liberal that dips Kodiak

@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!

by Dave from Louisville on Dec 29, 2011 9:08 AM EST up reply actions  

On #3

find a smoking liberal grad student who doesn’t want to take time for a smoke break when writing term papers, you have found a liberal who dips Kodiak.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 29, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah it is

but most students rent, and most apartments are smoke free, and landlords will charge a small fortune to “clean the apartment” if they discover the tenant was smoking inside.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 29, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I know hardly anyone my age who smokes inside

We have been conditioned to go outside and smoke.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 29, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Winning!

Of course, I’m still gonna have to pay taxes for dying smokers’ medical care. But at least I don’t have to see them or smell them!

How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Dec 29, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't forget paying taxes for the fatties and their diabetes epidemic too

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 29, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, I know.

Unfortunately, it’s all too often wrapped up in the same willfully ignorant self-destructive blob of carbon and amino acids.

But not you! You’re blessed with a high metabolism so you’ll likely always be tall thin and handsome. Even though you smell on Saturday nights.

How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Dec 29, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't limit myself to Saturday nights

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 29, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

#manflirting

@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!

by Dave from Louisville on Dec 29, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Seems like a sticky situation

Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun

@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Dec 29, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you'd be surprised at the number of younger people in general who dip now.

Liberal/conservative doesn’t matter. I think dipping is pretty disgusting, honestly, but a lot of people I know think otherwise.

Of course, maybe it’s just a high school/college thing because they think it’s cool.

by sexsalad on Dec 29, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

and it's easier to conceal

Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me

by UncleWeez on Dec 29, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I guess I'm sort of a goody-two-shoes with that kind of stuff.

Not because of being “straight edge” or anything, but just because I don’t do any of it. I think dipping is nasty, I enjoy breathing so I don’t smoke, I don’t really drink alcohol because I can’t stand the taste, and I honestly have no interest in weed or any sort of drug. I guess that’s good for me in the long run.

by sexsalad on Dec 29, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Honestly, doing those things is just stupid

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Dec 29, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

It depends

Using drugs to prove your cool probably isn’t the best reason. But if you enjoy being drunk or high or whatever, and can do so responsibly and not let drugs negatively effect the other parts of your life go for it. And this is the drug message schools should be teaching young people.

I had friends in college who were “straight edge” who got C’s and friends who used hard drugs like acid and got A’s.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 29, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Back when I was in high school (a whopping 2 and a half years ago) this was the case

I’d say a good 20 % of the school dipped. Of course, my school was mostly made up of rich kids and deadheads, so that was probably involved somehow

by DerekH91 on Dec 29, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Indeed

Unfortunately, no one there was as cool as Jason Segel or Seth Rogen

by DerekH91 on Dec 29, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

That reminds me

Of this.

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 29, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

and posted today.

You were just a rich girl only having fun. Your worn out dresses brought stares from everyone. Hey little rich girl, where did you go wrong?

by boobs on Dec 29, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Reddit has a way of making that happen

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 29, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

That's... not really what I was talking about.

How does it have almost 1900 likes/dislikes and about 300 views?

by sexsalad on Dec 29, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

The view count is incorrect

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 29, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Or faked.

How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Dec 29, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

This one is better

My favorite part is the balloon.

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 29, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

"Dairy Milk" is a gross name for a candy bar

I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.

by darthmom on Dec 29, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I was reading through an old thread the other day and saw a Cindy Sanders reference that made me smile

"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24

by BK on Dec 29, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

it really doesn't

addiction is addiction regardless of the D or R next to your name.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 29, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

This picture makes me feel old.

I remember when Speier was a rookie with the Giants.

We Are ... Marshall!

by Thundering Turtle on Dec 29, 2011 11:46 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Luke Scott must be related to Michele Bachman.

What a stupid bitch

Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.

by Madville on Dec 28, 2011 12:14 AM EST up reply actions  

you ever see a young girl growin old tryin to make herself a bride?

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 28, 2011 12:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I voted Cody Ross...

only because I don’t see the Reds in another trade this season. A free agent pick up (or two) is most likely. The next month will see Cordero coming back, and a LF or SS pick up. Someone do the available shortstops next.

by Howie Feltersnatch on Dec 28, 2011 12:23 AM EST reply actions  

Cody Ross was already a Red

it is crazy that we gave him up for nothing and are now pursuing him. Like he is the same vessel but a different player now. I don’t know it is hard to deal with.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 28, 2011 12:25 AM EST up reply actions  

different then Web Jim Edmonds for sure

They are very different people very different life paths, I think the guy we are talking about who isn’t jim edmonds has been around the block a few times.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 28, 2011 12:30 AM EST up reply actions  

no, he's the same player he was then.

That was really strange back then.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Dec 28, 2011 9:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Where does the hate for Carlos emerge from?

Is it because this would be a WIN move? Is it because of the injury risk? Scared that his numbers may pull a reverse Adam Dunn by switching legues….which would be awesome.

@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!

by Dave from Louisville on Dec 28, 2011 12:32 AM EST reply actions  

im afraid he would suck

Its not hate, its that his stats really aren’t that good when you look at them. All i like are the homeruns. Couple that with the fact he would cost a significant amount of salary and some sort of prospect package and I’m just not that enamored with him.

by pack_fan on Dec 28, 2011 3:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Too big of a health risk, probably too expensive

He doesn’t play defense and can’t run, so he has to rake to be worth it. Which he might do, but given his injury history and all the HBPs, he’s more likely to hit just okay while missing 40+ games (especially without getting off days to DH).

by ken on Dec 28, 2011 9:04 AM EST up reply actions  

plus we have to give up prospects

and I don’t think the awfulness of his defense can possibly be overstated

Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me

by UncleWeez on Dec 28, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

if we get a very best case scenario, he adds like 1 win over Heisey, for $7 million plus prospects.

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Dec 28, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Quentin has MVP potential

Heisey does not

@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!

by Dave from Louisville on Dec 28, 2011 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Heisey is a god among men and don't you deny it!

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 28, 2011 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

just like you

BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE MOTHA FUCKA!

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 28, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Heisey hit a bunch of HRs last year. Esp. for a guy that did not play a great deal.

Keep him, see how he develops the 1st part of the season…there’s always Mr. Put-the-ball-in-Play Todd Frazier if Hi-Z fails

Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.

by Madville on Dec 29, 2011 2:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Heisey had more HR/PA than Quentin last year (or Quentin's career)

and far far superior defense. MVP voters don’t care about defense, but it still matters (and baserunning while we’re at it).

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by kcgard2 on Dec 29, 2011 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Ohhhhhh shit...

I had a dream last night that the Reds traded Votto. I started crying. Like, full-on uncontrollable sobbing.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 29, 2011 9:58 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I would expect nothing less

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by jch24 on Dec 29, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

You would expect nothing less...that:

the Reds will trade Votto or that Scrabbs is a closet weeper?

Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.

by Madville on Dec 29, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

When the Reds were fighting for first place in 2006 behind Bronson Arroyo and Aaron Harang

one night that summer I dreamed that Harang broke his arm and Arroyo tore his labrum, and I woke up and felt really sad.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 29, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

we all know Arroyo is indestructible

you should’ve known it was all a dream (I used to read Word Up magazine)

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by UncleWeez on Dec 29, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

not awsoem

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by BK on Dec 29, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think it is appropriate to speak about female genitilia on this site.

Esp in the same sentence with the words: Bronson Arroyo

Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.

by Madville on Dec 29, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

While they're at it, the 2012 MVP

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by boobs on Dec 29, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I vote Cole Gillespie from the AZ Diamondbacks AAA club

If not him, then why hasn’t anyone mentioned:

Wily Mo?

lol

by PeteRoseJr on Dec 28, 2011 12:48 AM EST reply actions  

I'm disappointed in the lack of interest in Cespedes

damn Carlos Quentin taking all the damn attention. Him and Cespedes will be similar money wise but Yeonnis is free prospect wise. Cespedes has more risk but also a lot more upside. I just have a gut feeling the Reds will be major players for him

by vottomatic on Dec 28, 2011 2:27 AM EST reply actions  

i dont think we have the scratch

Pretty much all the international budget is tied up with Chapman, so all that’s left is the money we need to also sign an infielder and hopefully some rotation depth in addition to an outfielder. Given the OF market right now I bet someone will pay him.

Honestly I cant even armchair GM this one, I don’t have a fucking clue what Walt should do about LF.

by pack_fan on Dec 28, 2011 3:19 AM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

I'm with you on this one

Who is worth what it would take to get him? I might be satisfied with another FLewis type deal. Or go defense and speed in LF. It just seems that the available upgrades for LF are not worth what they would cost.

by poojols on Dec 28, 2011 5:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I think he may be in 2013.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Dec 28, 2011 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

eesh, I'm wary

he’s started to wear down a lot, and he’s not gunna come cheap

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by UncleWeez on Dec 28, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I wonder what Boston would want for him

Not that I’m wanting him or anything. The article I linked says they want pitching.

IF they would take Arroyo as part of a package, then I’d change my tune.

Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun

@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Dec 28, 2011 9:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Just a hunch, but I think they'd be willing to part with him without asking for a Greek God's ransom

Youk supposedly wasn’t a big help with all the clubhouse issues last year and has been Ellsbury’s nemesis. New management might be willing to shake things up and part with a guy entering his mid-30s.

by ken on Dec 28, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

He's got probably 2 or 3 good years left in him

If the Reds are going balls out for 2012, they could do worse.

Arroyo + END is a pipe dream, but hey…

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@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Dec 28, 2011 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

he's a better 3B than LF

we can shove END and whoever else out in LF

The ends justify the means

by Highlifeman21 on Dec 30, 2011 7:05 PM EST up reply actions  

As much as I'd like to see him in Cincy (At 3rd)

I don’t see him fitting into the budget. He isn’t going to be cheap. He’s at a $12M salary this year, $13M option next year which is likely reasonable. Perhaps if the albatross of Arroyo’s contract wasn’t around, but it is. If we were going to throw that amount of cash around, I would’ve expected more rumblings on Beltran.

by RedStalk on Dec 28, 2011 9:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I wonder if Walt was in on Beltran

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by btcoop71 on Dec 28, 2011 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

NOPE NOPE NOPE

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by jch24 on Dec 28, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

To Yossi:

I erased your +1’s from the Christmas thread because they were like dog crap on the living room floor on Christmas morning. I was going to write you a nasty message but didn’t on account of the holiday spirit, and then I forgot.

Congrats on being my first erase! I’m a pretty tolerant and patient guy, so you must be incredibly annoying to get my dander up.

by ken on Dec 28, 2011 8:55 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

#IncrediblyAnnoyingClaim!

Buy RED: My Uncensored Life in Rock by Sammy Hagar, today

by obc2 on Dec 28, 2011 10:23 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

that is all fine and good

but where were you during the height of “wasn’t it?”

Also really don’t waste my time with a pop up, I won’t change. I will get bored with something after about a day, but I really won’t change because you ask me to.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 28, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

x

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 28, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I didn't ask you to do anything

Like I said above, I only mopped up the floor of the Christmas thread so that it would like nice and shiny when the kids came running downstairs. Wasn’t going to mention it until you commented earlier in the thread (which was deleted – not by me). Don’t know anything about the popup, unless those are automatically generated when a comment is deleted.

By all means, keep on doing what you’re doing.

by ken on Dec 28, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I assumed note meant pop up.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 28, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

The main difference between the "wasn't it" and your +1

is that “wasn’t it” had the capacity to be witty due to the different variations on that theme. Meanwhile, your +1 just comes across as a lazy commenter on Deadspin.

by FordhamRam on Dec 28, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

You know who sucks

CODY FUCKING ROSS. This guy is horrible. The only reason he is getting votes is because he hate fucks us when he returns to GABP.

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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 28, 2011 9:33 AM EST reply actions  

Hey Dave, long-term avatar bet?

I bet my avi for the month of October, 2012, that Quentin does not achieve type A status AND isn’t worth 3 fWAR.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Dec 28, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

You have to make those terms clearer.

Fangraphs WAR or BBRef WAR? And are you saying you lose if he’s worth 3 WAR? Because if he doesn’t break 3 WAR I’m pretty sure he won’t be a type A. Or does he have to be a Type A for Dave from Louisville to win? That’s too vague.

by sexsalad on Dec 28, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

shit

The font on my computer was really small because I was zoomed out for some reason and the f sort of blended into the W. Carry on.

by sexsalad on Dec 28, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

put him in detention

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by UncleWeez on Dec 28, 2011 9:55 PM EST up reply actions  

put him in a Turkish prison!

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 28, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

/journalist'd

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Dec 29, 2011 2:23 AM EST up reply actions  

I bet that he'll be over 3 fWAR

With the new Type A rule we won’t know until until he signs.

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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 28, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

So it be writen to it be done.

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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 28, 2011 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

This seems like a really fair bet

I wonder who will win

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by kcgard2 on Dec 29, 2011 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

has 'creds ever won a bet?

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by jch24 on Dec 29, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

hitting .240 and striking out

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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 28, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Nah, I'd peg him for a slightly below league average LF

He’ll slash something like 260/320/460. Put up better than average LF defense (which isn’t saying much), below average CF defense when he’s there. End up with ~ 1.8 fWAR. Not going to set the world on fire, but won’t be a disaster.

by RedStalk on Dec 28, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Mine only made one plate apperance in 2011

and I don’t think you can count it as an at bat.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 28, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Did you sacrifice?

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by jch24 on Dec 28, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

no

i couldn’t go standing into home.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 28, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Just clone Chet Lemon

The perfect model of a consistent 3rd outfielder. I’m just terrified of going through another season of another outfielder that is going to strike out 150 times a year with a .320 OBP

by Chance23 on Dec 28, 2011 12:30 PM EST reply actions  

Yikes

Reason #4,538 it’s a bad idea to live in Indiana.

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by jch24 on Dec 28, 2011 4:30 PM EST reply actions  

I saw that story

It’s a trailer park filled with child molesters. Apparently, Indiana gives out maps to child molesters on release, which tells them where they can live (away from schools, etc.). And that trailer park ended up being shorteyes city.

So why was the mother of three little girls living there? Her dying father, a child molester, needed care.

Weirdly, the guy who admitted to killing the girl isn’t a child molester. At least, he doesn’t have a record of it.

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by BubbaFan on Dec 28, 2011 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Molester osmosis?

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Dec 28, 2011 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

he wasn't exactly a choir boy

His rap sheet included assaulting a cop in Florida.

They didn’t say why he killed her, but it might have been plain old child abuse, not sexual abuse. She had a lot of problems, according to her mother. Emotional problems, as well hearing and vision problems, and ADHD. I could see that driving a guy with a short fuse off the edge.

He beat her to death with a brick on the front steps of the house. That seems like a guy who can’t control his anger, rather than pedophilia.

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by BubbaFan on Dec 28, 2011 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I think we need to wait to hear his side of the story.

You were just a rich girl only having fun. Your worn out dresses brought stares from everyone. Hey little rich girl, where did you go wrong?

by boobs on Dec 29, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I was kidding, of course

I hear Gary is lovely this time of year.

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by jch24 on Dec 29, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm surprised with the Red Sox getting Bailey

That means the closer musical chairs is coming to an end. I guess that means Cordero, Madson, and Lidge, with us and the Rays as buyers.

I am betting Codero comes back on the cheap.

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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 28, 2011 6:12 PM EST reply actions  

man, if Madson would sign for what we originally thought to extend Cordero for

I would be happy with that. Something like 2/15, plus a comp pick

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by UncleWeez on Dec 28, 2011 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

no way we offered Cordero 2/15

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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 28, 2011 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

no, definitely not

but there was talk of extending him before the closer market collapsed, and that was a ballpark number that people were tossing around

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by UncleWeez on Dec 28, 2011 9:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I betting he's going to be more expensive than Cordero

His agent really screwed up by letting Phillies AND Red Sox come off the market.

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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 28, 2011 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah...if that 4yr/44m contract offer by the Phils was real

Boras fuuuuucked up

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by UncleWeez on Dec 28, 2011 9:06 PM EST up reply actions  

well

it was rumored but never confirmed. But yeah, either way it had to have been close. And now I doubt he gets anywhere near that

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by UncleWeez on Dec 28, 2011 9:59 PM EST up reply actions  

After the Marshall trade

I’d like to see them let Cordero walk. Take that pick.

by pack_fan on Dec 28, 2011 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep.

They can’t come out and say it, but I bet theyre fine with making Marshall the closer

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Dec 28, 2011 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

After Cordero's last huge contract

and his declining age. He is probably going to be looking at closer role instead of cash.

The dude is 13th on the all-time saves list.

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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 28, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions  

If his age was declining he would probably get a better contract.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 28, 2011 10:46 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

And more ass.

How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Dec 28, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Same here.

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Dec 29, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

x

when everybody is around and we're swinging for long bombs away, how do we come around to know - man, this really is what it's for?

by DannyGraves on Dec 28, 2011 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Just like the boringass damn movie itself..

..this poster has no idea what it wants to do with the not-quite-fascinating visual tricks it’s capable of presenting.

“Oooh, look man, see how his forehead is wrinkly and his hair is grey over here?”

“Yeah, that’s pretty wild….Wait. What?”

How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Dec 28, 2011 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Kinda reminds me of this Time Magazine cover...

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 28, 2011 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

"Yeah, CLOSE and.. CRAZY. Whatever. Look, Junior, the clock is ticking. We got eight years to get all this shit done. Go. Now!"

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Dec 28, 2011 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I flagged it to do it privately, but no action was taking

you spelled “four” wrong under Andrew Jones

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 28, 2011 11:17 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

this is a late contender for comment of the year, IMO

You were just a rich girl only having fun. Your worn out dresses brought stares from everyone. Hey little rich girl, where did you go wrong?

by boobs on Dec 29, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I should play left field

I’m great at breaking out of slumps. Hey-oh!

by crolfer on Dec 29, 2011 6:24 AM EST reply actions  

how about

Wilson Betemit?

Switch-hitter, plays just about every position except CF. (And though he started out as a SS, I don’t want to see him there unless the rest of the bench has been abducted by aliens.)

He made $1 million last year. I thought the Pirates had signed him, but the deal apparently fell through at the last minute, and he’s still available.

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by BubbaFan on Dec 29, 2011 12:33 PM EST reply actions  

I guess we could do worse for a utility guy

he’s horrible defensively just about anywhere you put him, but at least Dusty wouldn’t be tempted to give him many starts.

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by kcgard2 on Dec 29, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

we're pretty well-stocked with utility guys

I was thinking left fielder. The sample size is admittedly small, but his defense has been fine there. He wouldn’t be too expensive (presumably), and moving to the NL and GABP might do good things for him.

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by BubbaFan on Dec 29, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

So what do we think of the Andrew Bailey deal?

I think it looks an awful lot like the Marshall deal. I’m pretty confident that Walt didn’t over or underpay. So I guess that’s pretty cool.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 29, 2011 12:40 PM EST reply actions  

Marshall doesn't have an injury history

which is nice. But I would’ve liked to have gotten a player back like the Sox did. Ryan Sweeney isn’t anything to write home about, but he’s a useful 4th OF.

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by UncleWeez on Dec 29, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing.

I like Reddick (Hey, we need an outfielder!) and the pitcher that the A’s got is the big young hard-throwing right-hander that I like to see every organization have a supply of even though it seems like they rarely contribute for anything more than a few weeks or months in the bigs.

Both the Sox prospects were mid-to-lower level guys (as far as ‘Top 30’)?

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Dec 29, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

I don’t think we matched up great with Oakland. We don’t have many C+ SP pitching prospects like Alcantara. They would have likely wanted Wood + Heisey or Wood + Frazier, and I think that would have been an overpay.

Marshall is better next year and doesn’t have an injury history. I also like his lefthandedness and the fact we completely sucked against him within the division. I think the Red Sox still sign Madson for a Beltre-type 1 or 2 year deal, and have Bailey set him up .

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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 29, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I think they'll win the AL East next year

They have all the talent just got lazy and completely collapsed

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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 29, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Dunno

They got a crazy year from Ellsbury, very good years from Pedroia and Gonzalez, and still fell short. They’re getting a little old. They need Crawford to really bounce back and their rotation to lay off the fried chicken if they’re going to make a run.

by ken on Dec 29, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, that rotation is a big ?

Lester is great, Beckett is a wild card, Buchholz is good not great, Lackey is a nightmare, and who knows how Bard will do

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by UncleWeez on Dec 29, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

They already had a third Baseman when they signed Beltre

This trade is really cheap for them plus it completely collapsed the market for Madson, who was looking at 4 yr 40+mil.

So they could sign Madson and have a better bullpen at a lower cost. I think its a clever move if it plays out.

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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 29, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I want the Reds to go hard after Madson right now

I think there is a better than zero chance that he takes a one year deal and hits the market again. We might just get him at $10 mil or so. I normally don’t like paying so much money for a bullpen, but it would be most bitchingest bullpen ever.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 29, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd be okay with that

Taking a 1 yr deal in the AL East for a pitcher probably wouldn’t be smart.

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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 29, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

The problem is that he wants to close

and he’s not gonna earn a higher salary by being the set-up man or 7th inning guy

by vottomatic on Dec 29, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

except their gm said he is a the closer
Andrew is a proven top-quality closer in the American League

by vottomatic on Dec 29, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I could be wrong

But that’s what I would do if I were them.

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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 29, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

John Sickels posted the White Sox top prospects

Their system blows:

No organization is completely empty and there are some interesting guys here, but overall the White Sox have well-earned their reputation as the weakest farm system in the game.

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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 29, 2011 3:20 PM EST reply actions  

Wow, 10 years ago you read that sorta thing about the Reds.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 29, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

The White Sox system is terrible

KW and company have to love the new CBA rules on going over slot and the like. The White Sox spent a grand total of $3 million in the draft, and now everyone else is dragged down to (near) that level of apathy by force. Sucks for the small markets, if you ask me.

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by kcgard2 on Dec 29, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks

Again, I am at a point in my life where my privacy and identity are more important than they were 2-4 years ago when i put those pictures up.

If you want to put funny doctor’d pictures of me up at RR that is fine, I think the Yosstafarian is really funny, but please do not embed the photo, but instead link it, so it is more difficult for a casual RR lurker to find a picture of me. I realize that I lost control over what happens to those pictures, and there is nothing I can do to stop them, other than ask you nicely to please link them rather than embed them.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 29, 2011 6:06 PM EST reply actions  

easy now

Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me

by UncleWeez on Dec 30, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

let Johnu1 speak

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 30, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

He only got 6% of the votes

But Carlos got about 70% of the comments #winning

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