Last minute shopping
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 23, 2011 3:18 PM EST
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PrintAs we now know, the final price for Sean Marshall was Travis Wood, Dave Sappelt and Ronald Torreyes. I haven't been able to convince myself I like this trade - because I think Torreyes and the rental-ness of Marshall puts it in the "overpay" column - but I'm open to being visited by the Ghost of Tradesmas Future. I'm excited about Sean Marshall, who is absolutely an elite reliever. And Torreyes has just 331 PAs at A ball. Any one of an infinite number of futures await him over the next five years of his career, so as an unheralded prospect miles away from the majors, he's the kind of trade chip you want to deal if you're the Reds.
No word yet on an extension. Jocketty is in the middle of a presser that started at 3pm today.
The Reds have also acquired Josh Judy off waivers from the Indians to fill a 40-man vacancy. Judy has some intriguing minor league numbers, especially in the K-rate column (10.4 K/9). Along with Luis Atilano, he could be a minor offseason acquisition that provides a boost to the bullpen.
Since Marshall is tapped for the set-up role, the Reds are still looking for their closer. Especially given the number of prospects or quasi-prospects dealt this offseason, I don't see any reason for the Reds to re-sign Cordero other than they all just love working together (which is not immaterial). They'll get a third Top 40 pick if they let him go and they have a good chance to acquire someone with more upside in 2012.
With Sappelt gone, the LF cupboard is strikingly bare. Right now, the depth chart is something like: Heisey, Frazier, Phipps. I'd have to think getting a LFer would be as important a priority as getting a closer.
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Trade for Carlos Quinten
@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Dec 23, 2011 3:36 PM EST reply actions
just because you say this all the time
doesn’t mean it’s not a terrible, no good, very bad idea.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
by -ManBearPig on Dec 23, 2011 6:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
sign Ocab!
If the reds are going All In they might as well get more Winners on the roster.
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by obc2 on Dec 23, 2011 3:46 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Happy Snarkmas everybody!
It feels so nice to be back to normal
by nycredsfan on Dec 23, 2011 5:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If Texeira, Brackman, and Judy are all on big league deals
We’re going to have a whole lot of suck to rotate in and out of this bullpen
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
Judy is taking a 40-man spot for now
Texeira isn’t and Brackman is on a split deal. They’re all probably forgettable acquisitions, but I think there’s at least one guy in there who will put in some good work or at least save some arms.
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"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 23, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
Fay just tweeted that Tex and Brack are both big-league deals
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Dec 23, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
seriously?
Teixeira got a big league deal? That seems kinda nuts to me. Not even a split contract, like Brackman got?
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Eh. He said "reportedly". I don't think he really knows, he's probably just reading what MLBTR is reporting.
And Jocko said today that the Brackman deal isn’t even done yet. My guess is both are split contracts at the most.
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by nycredsfan on Dec 23, 2011 5:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
so, then Fay still assumes Dontrelle is a FA?
Individuality: Always remember that you are unique. Just like everybody else.
Volen't you?
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 23, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
But wait, why would Fay "report" something he doesn't know anything about?
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
Haha, you must be new around here.
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by nycredsfan on Dec 24, 2011 12:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
That's kind of shocking, if true
Texeira was originally reported as a minor league pick-up and I thought we had it on good authority that Brackman was a split deal. I guess it doesn’t really matter.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 23, 2011 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
Reds may not need a closer...
Could Marshall close?
"That’s a possibility," said Jocketty. "We’re still talking to Francisco Cordero, but if that doesn’t work out, we have people already on our club who can compete for it and Sean certainly would be included."
Long-term deal for Marshall?
"I have a good relationship with his representative, (agent) Barry Meister)," said Jocketty. "There are no guarantees, but we’ll sure try to sign him to a long-term deal. We hope he’ll come in and see what a great team and organization we have and will want to stay."
"There's only one god, and his name is Death. And what do we say to Death? Not today!" --- Syrio Forel, Game of Thrones
he also had some things to say about the OF situation
Jocketty on further moves: "Nothing before Christmas. I’ve got to do some shopping. I think after the first of the year, we’ll take look at some things. We still want to address the bench and maybe left field."
…Jocketty on outfield depth: "We still have Denis Phipps on the roster. (Todd) Frazier’s best position is left field they tell me. I haven’t seen him play there enough. (Juan) Francisco has played some in the outfield."
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It's easier to field an errant throw from LF, they say
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
But END has a great arm
Best infield arm in the system, according to Baseball America.
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as accurate as a cannon with a shakey cannon firer.
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 28, 2011 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
I like everything about this.
Aside from the Coco part, which I’m going to assume is just Walt being nice.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
The Reds don't need a closer
because they have Marshall, Masset, Bray, LeCure, Ondrusek, and one of those guys can regularly get 3 outs in the 9th, without over paying somebody who has done it before.
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and Dondo
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
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by -ManBearPig on Dec 23, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
for some reason i always forget him when i list the bullpen
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 23, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
It's cool, he always forgets to mention you when he lists lame Reds fans
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by nycredsfan on Dec 24, 2011 1:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
General question for the masses
Who is under contract for 2012, but not for 2013? Obviously Marshall, at least for now. BP. Rolen? Who else?
The reason I ask is I so far, at least, I don’t see them going all in for this year, I see them going all in for the next two years.
Miguel Cairo!
Oh, noes.
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Sadly, the Boobs Window has closed.
I used to love the Boobs Window.
How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Dec 23, 2011 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
Or, of nothing else, looking at boobs through windows.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 23, 2011 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
Well, all of MLB now knows what Walt is doing.
I say he should sit back and let them all come to him.
And he should enjoy three or five of these:
Hell, I’ll buy the first couple. Well done, Walt.
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I had two kegs of that last winter.
Very underrated beer.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
I had it once, picked up a pint glass for my troubles.
Solid brew.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 23, 2011 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
Ahhhh.
Santa’s having his second one riiiiiight…. now.
Merry Christmas.
Ho ho ho, Reds fans.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Dec 25, 2011 2:57 AM EST up reply actions
This team
had gotten a lot taller.
Sean Marshall, 6’-7"
Mat Latos, 6’-6"
Andrew Brackman, 6’-10"
Meanwhile, Sappelt, Wood, and Volquez are on the petite side.
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don't forget wee lil' Ronnie Torreyes
he’s Danny Ray short. I wonder who the shortest Reds prospect is now.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
Torreyes just turned 19
Maybe he’s still growing!
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Yep
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
of course one of our shorter RRs confirmed this
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 24, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Interesting that Chicago wanted the little guys with great minor league numbers
Seems like a very Theo move.
by ken on Dec 23, 2011 10:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's easier to walk with a tiny strike zone!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 23, 2011 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
in a couple of years
it’s going to be a team full of Tony Campanas!
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And I will hate them (even more)
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Dec 24, 2011 10:49 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't believe Walt is done shopping.
I think there will be at least 3 acquisitions remaining. I would guess this would be the priority:
1. LF
2. Backup SS
3. AAAA SP
The prospect cupboard is kind of bare now, so I would imagine that these holes will be filled (tee-hee) through free agency. As far as LF goes, I’d rather see Walt sign either Johnny Damon or Andruw Jones to split time with Heisey than trade another prospect for Seth Smith. I’m probably in the minority (hey, Bubba!) thinking that Janish can be the backup and they can find a midseason trade target if need be, but I bet Walt signs a vet SS. Lastly, sign a reclamation project SP to provide AAA depth. I don’t think that they need to sign a “proven closer.” The addition of Marshall has solidified the bullpen.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
I thought about Damon as well recently.
I haven’t looked at the numbers. How steep has his decline been?
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 23, 2011 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
110 OPS+ last year in 150 games
The only thing that concerns me is that he was mostly a DH last year. Only 33 games played in the field in 2011.
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I think he only played 17 games in the field in 2011
16 in LF, 1 at 1b, according to baseball-reference (they list games played in the field in a really weird way). He played 33 in LF and 4 in CF in 2010 in Detroit, and 133 in LF in 2009 in New York
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by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Dec 23, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
he has a hard time staying healthy
if he has to play defense. He’s really beat up. Elbow, shoulder, knees, back, hips, foot, you name it. Most CFers are worn down by that age, and he was one of those who’d run through walls to make a catch.
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I appreciate the effort but I don't think Damon's a douche.
He has a ‘character’ and he knows it. He’s funny.
How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Dec 23, 2011 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
well, he did campaign for Guiliani
during spring training. That was kinda douchy.
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by BubbaFan on Dec 23, 2011 7:48 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
was it douchy b/c of the candidate, or b/c of campaigning in general?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 24, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
so b/c it was during Spring Training?
I don’t see anything wrong with that, but then again I’m me
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 24, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
no
all the rules need to be enforced equally and fairly.
than’d
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 24, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
He's a caveman
He looks exactly like those guys on the Geico commercials.
And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head blown off
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Dec 23, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
obtuse
I always think that
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
I'm so glad this is becoming a thing
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 24, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
until everyone is tired of it because of overuse
which will be sometime tomorrow afternoon. So enjoy it now!
I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
all great things come to an end
all I know is that it’s already infinitely better than the +1 nonsense
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 24, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
i am really doing it to annoy HLM
you are just collateral damage.
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this mass +1 during the holiday season is really minus 1
It’s not even a catch 22
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by obc2 on Dec 25, 2011 12:39 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions 2 recs
Why is Mike Leake's head on a cookie sheet?
by the finest muffins on Dec 23, 2011 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
because he is baked out of him mind!
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 23, 2011 9:25 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
The only one of those that should cost any serious money is the LF
They should be able to land a backup SS and a spare part SP for little to nothing.
Seth Smith makes no sense at all to me. Yes, he is a left handed hitter and could platoon with Heisey or the Toddfather, but will Dusty actually platoon in LF? Jesus, he insisted on running Gomes out there against RHP against all judgement, so I don’t have confidence he would platoon Smith.
Plus, Smith has shown little power away from Colorado. Here are the career road splits for Heisey and Smith:
Heisey: 253/307/440
Smith: 257/332/418
Smith walks more (and has more PAs, making those numbers a bit more reliable), but that seems like very little upgrade, especially if the Rockies want any real prospects in return. And if Dusty plays him often against LHP (career 588 OPS), that shit could get ugly.
And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head blown off
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Dec 23, 2011 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
In Gomes' first year, he was mostly platooned
Then Dusty fell in love and used him too much. But I wouldn’t rule out a LF platoon. I know he did some platooning in SF and Chicago.
by ken on Dec 23, 2011 10:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Gomes caught fire in May in 2010
and Dusty was convinced he had taught Gomes how to handle right handed breaking balls.
I think Dusty really wanted to believe he turned Gomes into a superstar.
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 23, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
IIRC
Gomes was taking pitches and walking like he was Barry Bonds. There’s no way Dusty should have thought to take credit for that. I’m not saying that he didn’t think he deserved credit. Just that what Gomes was doing is not Dusty’s MO.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Dec 23, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
agreed
Walt said the shopping will resume after Christmas.
And yes, I think a veteran SS and a LFer will be on the list. And insurance players to fill out the Bats roster, which is pretty thin now.
I still think Janish and Frazier will be filling out that Bats roster, at least to start the season. I would guess Heisey is the 4th OFer now, with Phipps as insurance in Louisville.
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Merry Christmas everyone!
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by UncleWeez on Dec 23, 2011 9:08 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Oh Weez, you funny lil bugger you!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
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