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According to Bruce Levine at ESPNChicago.com, the Reds and Cubs are close to a deal that would bring Sean Marshall to Cincinnati in exchange for Travis Wood and two minor leaguers. Those had better be some really minor leaguers. Nickname credit should go to HighlifeMan21.

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um, no

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by joshuar9476 on Dec 21, 2011 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

MLBTR now reporting the same

We're all mad. I'm mad. You're mad. Otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.

by chesirecat on Dec 21, 2011 9:42 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I don't see that

Could you point out to me on MLBTR where you saw Billy Hamilton will also be included in the trade? I don’t see that. Also, John Fay just put up on his blog that the Reds are trying to acquire Marshall but a deal was not imminent.

by Cincinnati on Dec 21, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

they're just jerking people's chains

Don’t believe everything you read on the Internet, most especially here.

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by BubbaFan on Dec 21, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

And Abe really new a lot about the information super highway.

When you land a permanent gig, you should put that quote up in your classroom.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm stealing this if ya don't mind

Individuality: Always remember that you are unique. Just like everybody else.

by joshuar9476 on Dec 21, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

If they are giving up that much Walt bettter to be able to extend the guy.

The guy is an awesome reliever, and I wouldn’t mind seeing him closing games. But, he is a free agent after the season.

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by BigBabyBruce on Dec 21, 2011 9:50 AM EST reply actions  

I have to agree with this

Fay seems to think it’s possible the Reds turn him into a closer. Would solve one problem. I’ve always been a fan of Wood though (insert penis jokes here).

by ledman24 on Dec 21, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

To me Wood is expendable.

He had an awesome 2010, but I think 2011 is close to what we should expect. I am mainly going off of what scouts expected of him. Plus, his GB% has been terrible.

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Dec 21, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Hey 'creds, this guy has somewhere for you to finally put it!

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by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

I dunno

Marshall is as good as they come, but I’m leery of extensions for relievers on general principle.

I’m also a bit nervous about draining our rotation depth. I would feel much more comfortable with him stashed in AAA in case of the inevitable injury.

All that said though, I’d be cool with the deal if the prospects involved aren’t major.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 21, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Depending on the “prospects” in the deal, I’m definitely supporting this one. If a Billy Hamilton or Daniel Corcino is included, I’m a bit leery. Hopefully they can take someone like Sappelt and Henry Rodriguez.

by homerun21 on Dec 21, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

If they were prospects like that I'm sure they would have been named.

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by BigBabyBruce on Dec 21, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Eh

If it’s someone of consequence like Hank-Rod or Sappelt, I won’t be pleased. I was thinking more like Negron or Valaika.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 21, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Could Travis Wood step in and become a steady, low-WHIP closer for us?

Nope. I would be thrilled if he could, but none of us have that kind of confidence in him.

He only has an outside chance of cracking a MLB rotation someday, and that possible potential is a less-valuable commodity to the Reds right now.

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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 21, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, it has been a good week for Marshall.

Beef O’Brady’s Bowl champion and all that.

We Are ... Marshall!

by Thundering Turtle on Dec 21, 2011 10:36 AM EST reply actions  

Has anyone ever eaten at a Beef O'Brady's?

I can’t bring myself to even walk into that place. That name is one of the least appetizing business names I can imagine.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 21, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

it's like Ocharley's

@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!

by Dave from Louisville on Dec 21, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Good description

although it’s not as expensive as Buffalo Wild Wings either

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Dec 21, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Well if you're gonna have a bellyache, it might as well be cheap

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by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Zackly

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Dec 21, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

/2003RedsPitchingStaff

How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Dec 21, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

FTFY

/2003RedsPitchingStaffLast20Years

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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 21, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I used to eat at one in Naples, FL all the time

not the worst thing in the world, good beer selection

The ends justify the means

by Highlifeman21 on Dec 21, 2011 11:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Try telling that to Ned!

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Dec 21, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

It's Official

The two clubs are talking.

Sad, in a way. I don’t think Wood will amount to a whole lot, but I really liked his debut. And, you know, first impressions and all.

by ben nevis on Dec 21, 2011 10:54 AM EST reply actions  

Wood is a guy most organizations wouldn't mind having

None of us would be shocked if he consistently throws around 200 innings with an ERA+ around 110.

But I also wouldn’t be shocked if he is out of baseball in 5 years.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

If the Reds thought he was capable of an ERA+ of 110 every year they wouldn't trade him

And other than his solid debut, there isn’t a ton else there suggesting that.

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by BK on Dec 21, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

He had a strong minor league track record.

He has a history of striking out minor league hitters, and his command has improved.

I think his top level ceiling is as a number 2 starter, I think his floor (if he stays healthy) is as a 5th starter innings eater type.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

He was pretty damn bad last year

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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 21, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes he was

but a lot of pitchers are not that good their second season.

I think the way he pitched in 2010 is his ceiling, and 2011 is his floor. Even with as unimpressive as Wood was last year, those types of numbers make him a 5th starter on most teams.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Okay

But:

1. Those teams don’t make the playoffs
2. That doesn’t explain how he’s going to be a #2

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by BK on Dec 21, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

His ceiling is a #2 starter

if he puts up numbers like he did in 2010, he is a solid #2/3 starter.

Maybe mid-rotation is a better term to use.

And lots of very good teams have 5th starters who were worse than Travis Wood was last year.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Name 4

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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 21, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

who was the Red Sox fifth starter? Knuckleballer?

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Dec 21, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Wakefield

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat

by -ManBearPig on Dec 21, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Better than Wood too

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Dec 21, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Lackey

Who was godawful.

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 21, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Lackey is better than Wood

maybe not last year, but their ceiling is different

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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 21, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

All better than Wood

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Dec 21, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

So Estes's ERA of 5.73 over 150 innings in 2003 was better than Wood's 4.84?

Or Chacon’s ERA of 7?

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

those guys were all worse than Travis Wood was

they all had ERA’s that begin with the number 5, which is worse ERA than Wood had.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

And ERA solves everything! Magic!

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Dec 21, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

making you look stuff up is fun

yankees don’t count because you can’t have 2 #5 starters

tigers don’t count because penny was a #4 starter

diamondbacks don’t count because they didn’t have a #5 starter

by 'tHan on Dec 21, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah.

Yossi, I bet that in the history of the Yankees, Red Sox, and old Montreal Expos franchises, they’ve never had a 5th starter with a lower ERA+ over 100 IP than Wood had last season.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Dec 21, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Except for the Phillies...and they won the World Series!

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Dec 21, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

SSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

11

Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me

by UncleWeez on Dec 21, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I have an idea.

Instead of arguing about just how shitty Wood’s year was last year, let’s talk about if we really believe he can maintain his 2010 numbers. Because if he really is the 2011 version of himself, no one will miss him.

He was good in 2010. Good K rate, good BB rate, but he was also lucky. His peripherals indicate he should’ve had about a 4.00 ERA. I think that’s absolutely the best case scenario, but I also think it’s highly unlikely he maintains that, mainly because of last year’s debacle. He’s an extreme fly ball pitcher who saw his K rate and BB rate each go in the wrong direction by about 1 per 9.

It’s a big assumption and takes a lot of faith to think he’ll magically return to his 2010 form.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Dec 21, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Magic!

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Dec 21, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

It isn't a big assumption to think he will land somewhere in the middle

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

You're assuming that after not quite 2 years in the Majors

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Dec 21, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Eh. Maybe.

But his minors performances were all over the map too. He looks like The Most Inconsistent Pitcher In The World.

And baseball has a long history of soft-tossing lefties dominating the minors but struggling in the majors.

I just think you are giving him way too much credit for 2010 and ignoring his tools and bad most recent performance.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Dec 21, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I have no idea what Wood will do

I would not be shocked if he pitches 210 innings next year with an ERA of 4.35, I also wouldn’t be shocked if he bounced between the bullpen, the rotation, and Iowa.

In the minors he was pretty good at striking batters out, and his command improved.

I also don’t think of him as a “soft tosser” his average fastball was 89, but he could run it up to 92 or 93 when he wanted to, which is plenty fast enough.

I really just think an MLB ready young healthy starting pitcher, with some history of big league success, even if his future is a bit of a question mark, is too much to give up for one year of a relief pitcher.

It is entirely possible that Wood would put up a greater WAR than Marshall next year just from the virtue of spending a full season in the rotation.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

you act like it is unreasonable that he will end up picking up 100 MLB innings

Even if Chapman exceeds expectations, he won’t be in the rotation by September.

Cueto’s health is an issue until he proves otherwise.

Arroyo may very well pitch himself out of the rotation.

Starting pitching is not a surplus for the Reds, and having 7 guys who can start, greatly increases the chances of the Reds not having a starting pitching disaster.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

So you think Travis Wood will be more valuable over 100 IP

than Sean Marshall will be over 70?

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Dec 21, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

If Sean Marshall regresses a bit

which is possible for a 30 year old relief pitcher who has had his work load over the last 2 years, and Wood improves a bit, yes I think that is possible.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

He's 29 now

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Dec 21, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, but now those are a lot of ifs

is it possible that Wood improves, throws well over 100 IP, Marshall slips or gets hurt, and Wood ends with more value by the end of the season? Yes, it’s possible. But I wouldn’t say it’s likely

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by UncleWeez on Dec 21, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Not only do think it is possible Marshall regresses

I think it is likely.

I would be much more on board with this trade if it weren’t a young cost controlled starting pitcher with previous success.

I think there is a strong chance the Reds will regret this trade.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I don't disagree

especially if this year doesn’t go as planned. Or if there are a rash of rotation injuries. But we still have 6 viable rotation candidates for 5 spots, and LeCure and even Fisher could make spot starts. And didn’t we re-sign Chad Reineke?

Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me

by UncleWeez on Dec 21, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

There are always 5th starter types floating around.

Hell, if things get bad enough they can trade for one in June or July. That kind of deal is usually done for a crappy A ball player.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Dec 21, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I hate the phrase "I don't disagree"

It’s almost always followed by an explanation as to why the person saying doesn’t agree. Which is the very fucking definition of disagreeing.

/rant
/nothingpersonal

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by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I accidentally a word

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by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Yore a total a word!

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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 21, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

fuk u kuntfag

Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me

by UncleWeez on Dec 21, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

the trade would again be Walt trading from a surplus

and filling a need. The trade may be lopsided, but it fills a need for both teams. I think the Cubs would get more value, but it goes along with Walt’s “win now” philosophy

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by UncleWeez on Dec 21, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

The only quibble I have

is the notion that the Reds are trading from a surplus. Teams never get through a whole season using only five starters, or even six. Wood represents a perfectly acceptable #7 starter, which is something this team will need this year.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 21, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I would feel differently if there was more certainty in the top 4

Cueto’s health is a question mark.
I am pretty excited to see what Leake will do now that most the restraints will be lifted.
Latos will be fine
Arroyo could need the Zito treatment.
Chapman is a huge question mark.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Dec 21, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

This is true

which is why I’m okay with the deal, if it even happens (depending on the prospects, of course). But I was only pointing out that we don’t have a starting pitching surplus from which to deal.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 21, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Right, but

there always seem to be old dudes floating around without jobs during the season who can be picked up to make a few starts here and there if necessary.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Dec 21, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

some of whom probably would provide comparable value to Wood

doubtful they’d be better, but at least in the same ballpark

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by UncleWeez on Dec 21, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope so

And again, I’m not opposed to the deal at all (unless they let significant prospects go). But my point is only that keeping Wood gives us envious and necessary rotation depth. To think we are dealing from a surplus is incorrect.

But yeah, Marshall should be a bad ass.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 21, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

And how did having Wood as rotation depth serve us in 2011?

Damn-near worthless.

Sean Marshall helps this team in a big way right now. Wood may not ever help a MLB team, just like he didn’t help the Reds in 2011.

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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 21, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

This is thye reason I lean in favor of this deal

Marshall instantly becomes our best reliever. Wood is merely a backup plan.

by pack_fan on Dec 21, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Well

If you believe pitcher WAR is worth a damn (I think it’s decent enough), then he was better than damn-near worthless last year (1.1 fWAR). He threw 100 innings that guys like Chad Reineke and the ghost of Kip Wells would otherwise have thrown.

But my point is not that Travis Wood is too valuable to trade for Sean Marshall. I think it’s a fine trade. My point though is that we do not have a rotation surplus from which to deal. The Rays do. But we don’t.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 21, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Sometimes there's a fWAR I don't agree with at all

This is one of them. Wood threw 106 innings bad innings, pretty close to replacement level imo. To me that’s much closer to the 0.2 bWAR then something approaching an average SP.

by ken on Dec 21, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

/Shrugs

I’d rather have him as a 6 or 7 starter than Reineke. But I guess it’s all moot now, anyway.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 21, 2011 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Fewer now that we're testing for PEDs.

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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 21, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

x1

The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!

by TheC on Dec 21, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

"I do not always dominate batters..."

“but when I do, I prefer one-hitters.”

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by bbjones on Dec 21, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

1995 Eric Milton

Oh wait, he was a #2, not a #5. Does he still count?

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by bbjones on Dec 21, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I still think his ceiling is a #4.

He had a strong debut, but once the hitters adjusted it started to look pretty bad.

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by BigBabyBruce on Dec 21, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

But damn if it wasn't crazy excited for a few minutes.

It’s the only time I’ve ever gotten a phone call to turn on the TV and watch what’s happening in a Reds game.

by the finest muffins on Dec 21, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

His command has NOT improved...that's the problem.

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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 21, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll be shocked if he consistently throws 200 IP with an ERA+ of around 110

That would make him one of the 30 or so best pitchers in the NL. I don’t see it.

I think his upside is a 3rd starter, his more realistic outcome is a 5th starter. His floor is Matt Maloney.

/superfluousdigatYossi

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Dec 21, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

What?

I don’t understand what happened here. Whatever. Official Reds propaganda reports the two clubs are talking to no one, except each other.

by ben nevis on Dec 21, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I refuse to believe it until I see it on MLBTR

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by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

welp, that's good enough for me

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by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Did they say anything about Willis

</deadhorse’d>

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by bbjones on Dec 21, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

What the fucking fuck, Walt.

The reds better be getting Mila Kunis in this trade, too.

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 21, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I'd settle for Tony Campana

Giving us a nice Righty/Lefty platton in LF!

by FordhamRam on Dec 21, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Wrong Reds-Cubs trade.

The Reds sent Rule 5 pick David Patton to the Cubs for cash in 2008.

We Are ... Marshall!

by Thundering Turtle on Dec 21, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

It's a lefty-right patoon!

/reversesplits’d

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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 21, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

/awkwardboyhoodexperiment'd

Doesn’t make you gay. OK, maybe it does a little.

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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 21, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Note: this award not given each and every season.

Once in a while, however, a player comes along that just really, really needs a full fledged boot to the dong.

Tony Campana is that player.

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 21, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Adam Rosales was the last winner

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by BK on Dec 21, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

You'd have to make sure obc didn't outbid you

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by BK on Dec 21, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

What trait did OCab possess that made you want to kick him in the dick?

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by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

shots fired!

We're all mad. I'm mad. You're mad. Otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.

by chesirecat on Dec 21, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Good comparison, but I'll modify it a bit.

He used to be freaking awesome (Funeral), but every year, we have more and more evidence of declining skills and mediocrity.

by FordhamRam on Dec 21, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I can dig this

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Dec 21, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Yep. Funeral is good. Neon Bible is passable.

I feel like every music critic assumed The Suburbs was going to be awesome, then anointed it as record of the year without really listening to it.

OCab makes the playoffs a lot. OCab used to be awesome. OCab circa 2010 was a very meh player who got way too much undeserved credit.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Dec 21, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

A lot of the love for Funeral is based on the story behind it.

The emotion from all the deaths of their friends and family members seemed to add not only context, but also created a much more concentrated byproduct in terms of the writing.

You can see the same thing happening with Fleetwood Mac’s Rumours. The deconstruction of the band member’s romantic relationships created not only great song fodder, but also seemed to force the artists into that extra gear. Granted, Fleetwood Mac’s catalog as a whole outshines Arcade Fire.

by FordhamRam on Dec 21, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Let's not forget about the other side who derided him for blocking the slick-fielding, slugging SS Paul Janish

Hell I remember people claiming Janish could hit.260-.275 if he could only get the playing time. Stupid Dusty, why didn’t he play Janish instead of that bum OCab? Well, 2011 is why.

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Funny,

I didn’t know Cowboy, Marty, Thom, and Welsh ALL read RR. Because it came from them too.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Dec 21, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought Janish could OPS .670 in the majors.

Wow, was I wrong.

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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 21, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

i really thought he could hit well enough to be a starter for a couple of years with a great glove.

I did not expect him to be a second pitcher in the lineup.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I know people here hate it, but all you had to do was watch Janish in person to know he wasn't a major league hitter

He looked bad nearly every time I saw him. Like, BAD.

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

he got his shot and now we know

thats more what I wanted to see, is if he was worth any sort of extended playing time. We ended up finding out how good he was when we had a limited number of other options (though why it took so long to promote Cozart is still beyond me).

by pack_fan on Dec 21, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree with you totally on Cozart

For all my somewhat fake/somewhat sincere Edgard love, I wanted to see Cozart pretty quickly.

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by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

this

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Na-uhhhh

Janish would have hit almost .300 in 2010 if he’d gotten the chance. By 2011, he was washed up from not getting to play in 2011.

by crolfer on Dec 21, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Hey, Paul Janish had a good 2010

I would’ve much rather he been playing than O-Cab (especially during the playoffs, when Cabrera was hurt)

by DerekH91 on Dec 21, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Good Lord, I really really really really really really really really

really really really really really really really really really really
really really really really really really really really really really
really really really really really really really really really really
really really really really really really really really really really
really really really really really really really really really really
really really really really really really really really really really
hope Zack Cozart lets us put this tired discussion behind us.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Dec 21, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

me too

also, hamilton shouldn’t have been traded, dunn is lazy & “the trade” was good for the reds!

by 'tHan on Dec 21, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Look, I can't defend him now, because his 2011 was truly awful

But everyone here is out of there mind if they didn’t want Janish (.268/.338./.395) over Cabrera (.263/.302/.354 and the range of a beached whale) in 2010

And creds is right, I hope Cozart makes this all moot

by DerekH91 on Dec 21, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

You're newish around here, so I'll offer you a ProTip™

Don’t get into this argument.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Dec 21, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

i agree

let’s also agree that they both sucked, but only one had tebow magic!

by 'tHan on Dec 21, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

That's fair

Janish probably wouldn’t have kept it up for a full season. I just wish Dusty would’ve given him more of a chance than he did

by DerekH91 on Dec 21, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not talking about 2011

I’m talking about 2010, which is stupid and not at all helpful to the current Reds, so let’s just end the conversation here

by DerekH91 on Dec 21, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

This is absolutely hysterical

It’s okay to be wrong. It happens to all of us.

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Fine

This is one I won’t win.

by DerekH91 on Dec 21, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm keeping it on ice for The Riot, personally.

We're all mad. I'm mad. You're mad. Otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.

by chesirecat on Dec 21, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Same here.

At least Campana went to UC.

The Riot will just drive us mad with his errors, miscues, and mediocrity.

by FordhamRam on Dec 21, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Long ago...

I remember reading about how relievers who put up significant numbers of innings in consecutive years were highly unlikely to do it for a third year because they were likely to be injured. Does that still apply, or are the more careful practices employed by teams to manage workload mitigating that issue?

Trying to pull off "having no money and talking to no one" as well as the Reds have.

by badenjr on Dec 21, 2011 11:03 AM EST reply actions  

off hand

Saving Sarah Marshall comes to mind.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

oh right

then i have no clue.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

yes please

Individuality: Always remember that you are unique. Just like everybody else.

by joshuar9476 on Dec 21, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

What about Shaving Sarah Silverman?

It’d be long and laborious…but would it pay off in the end?

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Dec 21, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

put it on mute, though.

If you want it sexy, no voice.
If you want it as an 80’s porncomedy, with voice.

... I still say it was a touchdown, got tammit.

by supergrover on Dec 21, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Ahem, it's SHAVING, not Saving

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Dec 21, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

And don't forget the sequel

Treating Private Marshall’s Razor Burn in An Uncomfortable Place.

by crolfer on Dec 21, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

There are a lot of good memes here.

Shaving Marshall’s Privates
Sean of the Red
Marshall Matters

But none is as good as “The Marshall Plan.”

NOTE: Every arm in this poster is lefty!

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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 21, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I tweeted it this morning

it was a play on forgetting sarah marshall, as I want Sean to close for us should we procure him

The ends justify the means

by Highlifeman21 on Dec 21, 2011 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I did it only if he can close, and is extended.

There is no reason to give up a starter for one year of a reliever.

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Dec 21, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

*dig.

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Dec 21, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought you outed yourself as Walt for a second there

We're all mad. I'm mad. You're mad. Otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.

by chesirecat on Dec 21, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

i disagree

its a good reliver and a prospectish starter

@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!

by Dave from Louisville on Dec 21, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

yes

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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 21, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Honestly

I would rather he not close. The way Dusty uses his closers, I think Marshall would be best utilized as set-up man who would see more high-leverage situations. Kinda like how Masset was the one called upon to get out of 2-on/1-out situations in the 7th or 8th. Coco would only come in to start the 9th.

If we can get Marshall and use him with Masset as the shut-down set up men, I’d be just fine getting a titular closer on the cheap.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 21, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Huh huh

Titular.

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 21, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

I honestly like the closer by committee idea with Arredondo, Lurch, Marshall, and LeCure.

Dusty’s insistence on using the closer in save situations with complete disregard to common sense is a serious hindrance on the team. If we have 4 plus arms and ride the hot hand a la the Nasty Boys we’ll keep them all fresher and probably end up with more wins.

We're all mad. I'm mad. You're mad. Otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.

by chesirecat on Dec 21, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

unfortunately, the Dusty

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat

by -ManBearPig on Dec 21, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Right

As convincing as the new baseball wisdom is to us, Dusty will have none of it. He needs a closer. And if that’s the case, then I’d rather have the interchangeable high-leverage set-up men be the best we can get.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 21, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

He can be Stopper!

When they put me in charge, there will be a “Stopper” role and a “Closer” role. The Stopper will be the best reliever on the team, and he goes out in the high-leverage situations.

The closer pitches the 9th, if it seems like a good idea, unless the leverage is high and the Stopper is still available.

Relievers want to close, because that’s where the money is. By putting a name on it and hyping it, I give the best reliever some ammo come contract time, and he happily mows down the opponents 3-4-5 with the game on the line in the 8th.

BTW, I’m ready to be in charge, whenever you guys put me there.

"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville

by bbjones on Dec 21, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

This (except for the last part!)

The most valuable relief pitcher is a guy who can come with a 1 run lead, runners on 2nd and 3rd, and one out in the 7th, and get two outs without allowing a run to score.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

re: the last part

I understand. It takes time to set the stage for these things.

I’ll be ready when the people call.

"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville

by bbjones on Dec 21, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Coco was still used in the highest leverage situations in 2011, fwiw

On average the 9th inning is still going to have the highest leverage, because it’s the 9th inning.

by ken on Dec 21, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

The Reds will have to move another pitcher to get a closer

I posted on the other thread that they have 12 men for 12 spots, with a rotation of Latos, Cueto, Leake, and Arroyo, and a bullpen of Marshall, LeCure, Ondrusek, Bray, Arredondo, and Masset, and they guaranteed a spot for Chapman, and Bailey is out of options.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

We'll see what comes of Chapman's guaranteed spot

there has to be a trade in the works (even after the Marshall trade) for the FO to save face with the roster decisions they will have to make.

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Dec 21, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I like it!

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Did the pic disappear for anyone else?

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I just see a broken image icon

Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me

by UncleWeez on Dec 21, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

It's there, but it has flags instead of recs

Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun

@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Dec 21, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't see the pic but I can see it has 4 recs and 0 flags

I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.

by darthmom on Dec 21, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

It went away after I refreshed

so did the monorail

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat

by -ManBearPig on Dec 21, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Guys...

I’m pretty sure that’s a ski lift.

Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me

by UncleWeez on Dec 21, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Your mother's a ski lift

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

your father smelt of elderberries

Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me

by UncleWeez on Dec 21, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

You smell of dingleberries

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

SBN IS CENSORING PICTURES, THE FASCISTS!

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

First, they come for the pictures

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Dec 21, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Then for the superfluous mods.

But I was not a picture or a superfluous mod…

by the finest muffins on Dec 21, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

...so they just flagged me.

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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 21, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

uh oh

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat

by -ManBearPig on Dec 21, 2011 11:38 AM EST reply actions  

Maybe they DID want Hamilton too

’tHan was right!

We're all mad. I'm mad. You're mad. Otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.

by chesirecat on Dec 21, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Why uh-oh?

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Dec 21, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I didn't know Cincinnati had a monorail....


Go Colts Dammit!

by Ram27 on Dec 21, 2011 11:40 AM EST reply actions  

That's not surprising

It glides as softly as a cloud

by DerekH91 on Dec 21, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Is there a chance the track could bend?

darthmom: It's like sabremetrics, but for boobs.

by Hawkeye00 on Dec 21, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I was very curious to see if anyone would call me a Hindu

well played!

darthmom: It's like sabremetrics, but for boobs.

by Hawkeye00 on Dec 21, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

there is no spoon

Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me

by UncleWeez on Dec 21, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I love our terrible memes!

We're all mad. I'm mad. You're mad. Otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.

by chesirecat on Dec 21, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

He's in Philadelphia now, not Cincinnati

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Link?

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Dec 21, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

then it must be true!

Individuality: Always remember that you are unique. Just like everybody else.

by joshuar9476 on Dec 21, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

If this deal does go down,

I would rather see us lock up Mashall for three more years and let BP go after this year.

by Joe Nolan's Neckbeard on Dec 21, 2011 11:47 AM EST reply actions  

That's an odd stance

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Dec 21, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Well....

So is this.

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

So is this

by Joe Nolan's Neckbeard on Dec 21, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Looks like sombody needs to go Travis Wood

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

But Jsutin said his upside was a #2...why's he lying????

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Dec 21, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Go Cubs Go?

crashtestnipplechip citymoron

by Excalib8 on Dec 21, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Buffalo Stance....Niiiiiiiiiice

Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me

by UncleWeez on Dec 21, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I remember, it was last week after all

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Dec 21, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Well LA DEE DAH, Mr. I'm-Still-Young-AndDidn't-Destroy-My-Brain-With-Legal-And-Illicit-Drugs!

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Hey! I'm not that young pinko...I'm over 30

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Dec 21, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

He probably forgot

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

We're all foolish once

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Dec 21, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Dang, you're one wof the oldies too?

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I think I'm pretty close in age to you...if not a little younger

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Dec 21, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

x

Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me

by UncleWeez on Dec 21, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I realize Wood is sort of a spare part now

but trading him for Sean Marshall AND two minor leaguers seems like a bit much.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Dec 21, 2011 12:17 PM EST reply actions  

lemonparty.org filler?

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

yes

exactly what I meant.

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat

by -ManBearPig on Dec 21, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh god, you didn't!

I feel so bad for you.

Here, this site (meatspin.com) is a site where everyone traumatized by lemonparty can talk to each other

by DerekH91 on Dec 21, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

com redirects, don't worry

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

the worst part is I don't think its the first time

pretty sure I’ve ended up at that link via this site sometime in the past too.

by pack_fan on Dec 21, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I drunkenly linked to tubgirl one night to see how many people I would get

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

kids in a sandbox

You’ve been warned.

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by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

without scooping yourself, was the burger good or bad?

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Surprisingly good

Go check it out, seriously.

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by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

good to hear

glad to know all had a good time.

Maybe one day I will get brave and go out and meet people. Let you judge my internet persona against who I really am.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I am not really angry (a little bitter perhaps) or manic in person

I am just awkward.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 11:31 PM EST up reply actions  

both

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 11:36 PM EST up reply actions  

ah, the gootz...

there is recently just started a minor parody of that called “willitgoatse”, I believe. It takes user submissions of everyday objects and people use their hands appropriately to see if the object will “goatse”. My favorite is the St Louis Arch. It goatses nicely.
I can’t check it from work, so can’t link directly to it. It’s pretty much SFW, just is an unrecognized URL, so it fails the filter.

... I still say it was a touchdown, got tammit.

by supergrover on Dec 22, 2011 7:34 AM EST up reply actions  

x

Looking through google image search…

did that work?

... I still say it was a touchdown, got tammit.

by supergrover on Dec 22, 2011 7:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I still maintain that there's more to this than we know.

Either another player is coming with Marshall, or they are sending cash, or it’s a sign and trade and we’d have Marshall for a bunch of years.

But 3 players for Marshall would be dumb, and I’ll trust that Walt isn’t dumb.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Dec 21, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

this is kinda how I feel

there were rumors of the whole Marshall for Wood+ as being part of a bigger deal. Maybe Marlon Byrd or someone. I can dream on Garza, but that ain’t happenin’

Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me

by UncleWeez on Dec 21, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Byrd would look nice in LF

talk about some OF defense!

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat

by -ManBearPig on Dec 21, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

That would be pretty great.

I could see that, actually. Both Marshall and Byrd are gone after 2012, they make 9.5 mil combined.

So the sticking points are which Reds players to include and how much of that money Theo is picking up.

Genius!

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Dec 21, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

what about tHan?

would you give up tHan?

Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me

by UncleWeez on Dec 21, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd never give him up

I’d never let him down…

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I should send you a YouTube link of me singing that the day after Thanksgiving..

unless I did already..

I think I did

I shared it with everyone @ By Golly’s

The ends justify the means

by Highlifeman21 on Dec 22, 2011 12:00 AM EST up reply actions  

what if we coudl trade him straight up for Marshall?

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Mathers or University?

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought he died

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Dec 21, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I hate the idea of a .717 OPS in LF.

this post has some syntax and apostrophe issues - jutsin

by PeteyHendrix on Dec 21, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah. I'm thinking a cheap 4th OF type.

Tony Campana, come on down!

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Dec 21, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

he's already here

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Dec 21, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Is he the ginger kid?

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Apparently the Braves offered the O's

Jurrjens, Prado and a pitching prospect for Adam Jones and the O’s turned it down.

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
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by -ManBearPig on Dec 21, 2011 12:33 PM EST reply actions  

Makes sense...I'm guessing the O's would want more than that for Jones

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Dec 21, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know

The last Tool album wasn’t that great

by DerekH91 on Dec 21, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmm, would I find this funny if I listened to Tool?

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Dec 21, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I listen to tool, I find many things funny

Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun

@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Dec 21, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Anthrax is ok, but kinda meh

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by btcoop71 on Dec 21, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Best pic ever

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Dec 21, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I like to think I'm a charming fat man

Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun

@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Dec 21, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

You're Charles Barkley?

BTW, did anyone watch him on Leno last night? I wanted to but changed the channel after correctly predicting Leno would come out of the gate with a terrible Hanukkah joke.

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

No, I'm white

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by btcoop71 on Dec 21, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

So you're John Daly?

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Dec 21, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I wear normal pants

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by btcoop71 on Dec 21, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

DADDY?!?!?!?

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Go get me another beer and stop crying!

Wait, that wasn’t a normal comand from their father?

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@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Dec 21, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Believe it or not, I've never seen my dad drink

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

FTFY

Believe it or not, I’ve never seen my dad drink

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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 21, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Well, it depends on which one you're talking about

I’ve never met my biological dad. I’ve never seen my adopted dad drink.

Do you want to tell my puppy died now?

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by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

SPOILER ALERT

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm in a weird spot where I've tracked down my wife's grandfather...

…whose son abandoned the U.S. Marines and his family to disappear when she was a baby. I could follow up to see if my son has a living great-grandfather…but I’d run the risk of locating/indirectly contacting her father, and that might not be a good thing for anyone involved.

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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 21, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Sort of in the same boat

I have a name and could easily find my biological dad (or at least the man purported to be him), but it’s totally a high risk/low reward move.

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I was going to rec Petey's comment

but now I feel bad.

I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.

by darthmom on Dec 21, 2011 7:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't feel bad.

jch’s puppy hasn’t died yet.

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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 21, 2011 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

heheh, no worries at all

Here at Red Reporter we have an inordinate number of adoptees, and an inordinate number of left handed people. I happen to be both, which makes me the most special snowflake of all.

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by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

isn't that Neil Tyson?

... I still say it was a touchdown, got tammit.

by supergrover on Dec 22, 2011 8:28 AM EST up reply actions  

yep

This one’s awesome too:

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by jch24 on Dec 22, 2011 8:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Probably not

That has more to do with me than you, though

by DerekH91 on Dec 21, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Gotcha

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Dec 21, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think Jones is worth more than that, but

it doesn’t make sense for the Os because they aren’t in a winning part of their cycle (insert joke about how they never are).

Trading for those guys assumes they are going to win anything in the next 2 years, which clearly isn’t true.

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by nycredsfan on Dec 21, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

smart Os

unless that pitching prospect was named Teheran

Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me

by UncleWeez on Dec 21, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

or Delgado, or Minor, or Beachy, or Vizcaino, or Gilmartin, or Spruill, or......

God I am jealous of the BRAVES!!!

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Dec 21, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

What I don't understand is

Coco, Mike Gonzalez, Matt Capps, and Jonathan Broxtan all available as free agents, will they cost that much more than the $3M Marshall is due next year, I am sure they won’t cost much more than Marshall, and they will provide adequate production without costing the Reds a player.

Now if the Cubs take Travis Wood, and cover all of Marshall’s contract, I will feel much better about this trade.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 12:36 PM EST reply actions  

Broxton signed with the Royals awhile back

for like $4m.

Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me

by UncleWeez on Dec 21, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

And Matt Capps signed with the Twins

And CoCo sucks.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Dec 21, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

sorry, my source is out of date.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't disagree

Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me

by UncleWeez on Dec 21, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

BREAKING AP NEWS: UncleWeez has won the coveted “Reds Reporter I most want to kick in the dick” award.

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Ding Ding needs to go in the Wiki and get it over with

Ding Dong is male-specific, ding ding is gender neutral.

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Apparently

and I was just beginning to ponder how much I don’t approve…

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by kcgard2 on Dec 21, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

No

Ding ding is gender neutral.

this should be added to the Wiki. Who’s taking care of that again?

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

What the fuck, you idiot? Learn to post, asshole.

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll take care of this, don't worry

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh yeah, what thell do you think you're gonna do pussy?

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I was ruminating on this over lunch

I think someone should make an account called Cunte Fagte

You know, like Kunta Kinte

. . . . anyone?

by DerekH91 on Dec 21, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

this is the second Kunta Kinte reference in as many days

Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me

by UncleWeez on Dec 21, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually, I think it's better this way

So there.

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't mean to disagree

but I think ’creds is right.

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat

by -ManBearPig on Dec 21, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree

Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me

by UncleWeez on Dec 21, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Hornberger with another topical, hard-hitting baseball tweet
Still a strong feeling in baseball that Reds overpaid for Latos, especially on market flooded with starting pitchers

In other news, I don’t know how to embed tweets yet

Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me

by UncleWeez on Dec 21, 2011 12:43 PM EST reply actions  

Flooded with starting pitchers, really?

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Dec 21, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I see the Virgin Mary...

Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.

by Madville on Dec 21, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm surprised you haven't posted a bikini picture of her yet.

You know…Advent and all.

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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 21, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, if you insist....

And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head blown off

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Dec 21, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Still a virgin, though.

Too clingy in my experience.

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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 21, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Click on the tweet to open it. Click “details.” Click “embed this tweet.” Copypasta HTML code. Profit!

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
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by -ManBearPig on Dec 21, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

a-thankya sir

Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me

by UncleWeez on Dec 21, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Where is details?

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@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Dec 21, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

All I have is Favorite, Reply, Delete

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@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Dec 21, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

when you click "open"

it should be above “Favorite, Reply, Delete”

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by -ManBearPig on Dec 21, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, sure

Because you know Walt was at the winter meetings having to tell these pitchers to back the hell up off him.

"This is the St. Louis Cardinals we're talking about. They suck. Screw them. With a shovel. The sharp metal end. And then set them on fire." - crolfer

by rorschach1979 on Dec 21, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

300! SPARTA!

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by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 12:49 PM EST reply actions  

via the FanGraphs article on the sidebar
Travis Wood will never be a top-tier starting pitcher at the big league level. He lacks premium stuff and is largely seen as a #4 or #5 starter by scouts. Kevin Goldstein and Keith Law both tweeted on Tuesday evening that Wood has a back-end starter ceiling.

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by -ManBearPig on Dec 21, 2011 12:57 PM EST reply actions  

Maybe I don't like this trade because it is the Cubs doing something smart

which upsets me at a deep level.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 1:00 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

which fucking sucks

like I always new the payroll disparity existed, seeing that the Reds were never able to land big time free agents. But at least no team dominated the N.L. Central due to money alone.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

the Cubs dominated for a few years in the mid 2000's.

At least the Astros are leaving. Someone competent running that organization is a scary thought due to their market size.

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by -ManBearPig on Dec 21, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

No dynasties though

Since 1995 the Central has gone something like this:
1995-Reds
1996-Cardinals
1997-Astros
1998-Astros
1999-Astros
2000-Cardinals
2001-Astros
2002-Cardinals
2003-Cubs
2004-Cardinals
2005-Cardinals
2006-Cardinals
2007-Cubs
2008-Cubs
2009-Cardinals
2010-Reds
2011-Brewers

The Cardinals, Astros, and Cubs have pretty much evenly shared the division. With the Brewers, Reds, Pirates making horrible decisions that ruined their clubs for years.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

MBP just had a "older than he thought he was" moment

I hate those.

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by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

IDGI

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by -ManBearPig on Dec 21, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

you said mid 2000s, their run was in the late 90s

I do this quite often, swearing something happened a couple of years ago and finding out it was in ’98, THIRTEEN years ago.

/WeepsSoftly

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by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

wait, what?

from 95-2000 the Cubs had only one winning season (’98). I forgot that they were that bad in 2006. Though they did make the playoffs 3 times in 6 years.

And who you callin’ old? I’m not even 28 yet.

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by -ManBearPig on Dec 21, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

too big to not be hilarious

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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 21, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

well, fuck me running

I somehow transposed Astros for Cubs. I’m stupid and it’s time for my nap.

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know what you mean by "dynasty," but St. Louis was in the playoffs for all but one year between 2000-2006

They have most definitely dominated the Central, with the Astros and Cubs putting up a few good stretches.

by ken on Dec 21, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Astros pretty much did the same thing

and maybe they were a dynasty, but they weren’t winning simply because they could outspend their opponents, they were winning because they made good decisions.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Such as Roger Clemens deciding he wanted to pitch with Andy in Houston?

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Dec 21, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

"Pitch with Andy" is a euphamism for...

“shoot steroids in my ass with my personal Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.”

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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 21, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

man, i hate the astros

hard to believe they haven’t won the division in 10 years. still seems to me like they win it every year.

by 'tHan on Dec 21, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I never hated the Astros

they never really bothered me one way or the other.

It is hard to believe how much that organization has fallen since they went to the World Series in 2005.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

the astros have always been my least favorite team

much worse than the cards or cubs.

they were so good after baseball’s realignment & it felt like they beat the crap out of the reds every year. my first thought when i hear the word astros is how much i hate them, my second thought is they are the class of the division.

by 'tHan on Dec 21, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Except, you know, that what they're doing kind of isn't smart

Trading a guy who’s an asset for you and probably costing you below market value for a guy who has “back-end starter ceiling” potential is not really good rebuilding plan.

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by BK on Dec 21, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Travis Wood is essentially Randy Wells

Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me

by UncleWeez on Dec 21, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Only not as good

but yeah, essentially

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by kcgard2 on Dec 21, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

what else can they get for Marshall?

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Correction:

Cubs fans and Chicago-based Reds fans are upset.

Reds fans seem excited to get Sean.

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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 21, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

YDGI

He would be the Chicago-based Reds fan.

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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 21, 2011 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I am?

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 11:27 PM EST up reply actions  

last I remember

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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 22, 2011 1:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

but I do not subscribe to his newsletter nor webcam.

I’m just trippin all over my dick today, ain’t i?

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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 22, 2011 1:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

i didn't realize you were a flipper baby

... I still say it was a touchdown, got tammit.

by supergrover on Dec 22, 2011 7:43 AM EST up reply actions  

More than Travis Wood

"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24

by BK on Dec 21, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Who do you think would be a fair player to trade?

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

For a 1-to-1 swap, I'm not sure we have any pitchers in the high minors that profiles as a future MLB starter

So, honestly, Wood + a guy or two that can help in the next year or two.

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by BK on Dec 21, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I think if 2011 is Wood's floor and 2010 is his ceiling, and the likely outcome is in betweem

Wood alone should be enough, especially considering Marshall is due $3.1M, and their are free agent relief pitchers who can be got without costing the Reds a player.

An average starting pitcher is still more valuable than a great reliever.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

so are you saying we should trade Chase Weems?

Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me

by UncleWeez on Dec 21, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Weems for Marshall straight up

get it done Walt!

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Filming a movie...what's so hard to figure out about that?

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Dec 21, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Wearing unadvised, poor clothing choices.

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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 21, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

I’m pretty sure a spiderman mask doesn’t have a hole for the mouth

by pack_fan on Dec 21, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Never ask a question that you don't want to know the answer to

"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville

by bbjones on Dec 21, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Damnit.

I was really hoping to get front-paged… You wrote two sentances! Was it my super vague title?

crashtestnipplechip citymoron

by Excalib8 on Dec 21, 2011 1:59 PM EST reply actions  

Yep, I didn't know what yours was

Sorry ’bout that.

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by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice try

You clearly hate Excalib8.

by DerekH91 on Dec 21, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Shut your hole!

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I haven't left yet!!

First thread jacked and now this!

crashtestnipplechip citymoron

by Excalib8 on Dec 21, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Have we signed him yet?

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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 21, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

MLBTR hasn't said so

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Dec 21, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Anyone watching the Aussies play baseball on MLB network?

It would be sad if not a single player was better than Rowand-Smith-Lastname

crashtestnipplechip citymoron

by Excalib8 on Dec 21, 2011 3:04 PM EST reply actions  

I watched a minute

Then felt depressed

Go Colts Dammit!

by Ram27 on Dec 21, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Well either I'm getting dementia or Walt is...

If this trade goes down it will be 2 in one week where he’s given up way more than he’s getting and depleting valuable reserve assets.

Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.

by Madville on Dec 21, 2011 3:41 PM EST reply actions  

take the ringer

chop chop

The ends justify the means

by Highlifeman21 on Dec 22, 2011 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Is it possible to email a photo to a smart phone?

I know it can be done the other way around.

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by -ManBearPig on Dec 21, 2011 3:53 PM EST reply actions  

I have received many photos on my Blackberry

I suppose it should work as long as the email client on the phone can handle pics (I can’t really speak for any phone other than the Blackberry, but I don’t see why they wouldn’t be able to).

And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head blown off

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Dec 21, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

yes, what carrier?

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

from my yahoo account to a telephone number

trying to send it to a droid. when I type a phone number into th address bar it says its invalid.

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by -ManBearPig on Dec 21, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

what carrier are they on?

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by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

sprint

I believe

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by -ManBearPig on Dec 21, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

here

I found the list for you.

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by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

sweet

thanks, pal

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by -ManBearPig on Dec 21, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

it might be phonenumber@messaging.sprintpcs.com instead, that seems more likely

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by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey, are you local guys doing a burger meet-up thing tonight?

I was considering crashing the party. Wherezitat?

And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head blown off

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Dec 21, 2011 3:58 PM EST reply actions  

Up yer mom's butt

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by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

or....

Here.

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by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm curious about that place

it isn’t too far from my grandmother’s, so I look forward to your review.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

damn, your grandma lives in a rough part of town :)

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by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

actually, my grandparents live in walking distance from there too

there are pockets of not so rough, but its has got bad over there in the last 10 years

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
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by -ManBearPig on Dec 21, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Gawwdamm world's goin to shit,

Those damn crazy kids!

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 21, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

by in the area, in Delhi

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

TWSS

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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 22, 2011 1:07 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

In all fairness...

….we might not limit it to her butt.

Just want you to know what the deal is going in.

****snicker***titter***

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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 21, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

/scoop'd

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by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

two minor leaguers

Who else are we giving up?

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by BubbaFan on Dec 21, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

that seems to be the question of the evening

Sheldon is saying it is not yet a done deal, FWIW

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
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by -ManBearPig on Dec 21, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I wonder

if Sheldon has better sources than everyone else, or worse.

They don’t seem too happy with this deal at RLN. In addition to the years of control, cost, and reliever volatility issues, they seem to like Wood more than we do: two of Wood’s top four age 24 comparables are Maholm and Romero.

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by BubbaFan on Dec 21, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

ESPN reporting the trade is done, pending physicals

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by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 4:34 PM EST reply actions  

It's about to get physical!

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Dec 21, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Physical you say?

A little something for the ladies.

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by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Jesus, were thong briefs in fashion in the 80's?

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Dec 21, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't disagree

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by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

welcome to the dark side

Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me

by UncleWeez on Dec 21, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait, which is more reputable...ESPN or MLBTR or the Hobo on the corner selling stock advice?

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Dec 21, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Fran Fraschilla

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Dec 21, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

This is going someplace where I don't really feel comfortable

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Dec 21, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Under the new cba

Do we still get draft picks if we offer arbitration and he walks at the end of the year? Absolutely great trade if so.

FIRE DUSTY BAKER

by Blue on Dec 21, 2011 5:31 PM EST reply actions  

I think we end up with something

From what I found last night if you want the type A compensation you have to offer a one year salary based on the average of the top 125 players (works out to $12M or thereabouts this year). Not sure if relievers are different though. Truthfully I have no idea, but I think that might be a key part of this deal.

by pack_fan on Dec 21, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

This was my thought

We can arby him and get the picks or extend him, Rays style….

Would rather spend money on him than Cordero, obv…

by jeffshireman on Dec 21, 2011 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd rather spend the money on a left fielder

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by BubbaFan on Dec 21, 2011 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

is it.....is it you?

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by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

wow, it is

Long time no see, how have you been?

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by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Fine, just fine

But way too busy. I lurk from time to time, especially when there’s news.

FIRE DUSTY BAKER

by Blue on Dec 21, 2011 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.

by Madville on Dec 21, 2011 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Looks like you guys are the ones with the Marshall Plan now.

Does anyone have a scouting report on Travis Wood or the other minor league players in this trade?

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Dec 21, 2011 6:22 PM EST reply actions  

Do we know who the other players are?

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by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Dec 21, 2011 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Not named yet.

What’s Wood like?

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Sign Prince Fielder!

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Dec 21, 2011 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Good command, flyball prone lefty, that can hit 92-93

but sits around 89. Projects as a 4-5 starter, some people think he could be a 2-3 guy based off of his 2010 ML numbers.

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
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by -ManBearPig on Dec 21, 2011 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Beat me to it

I’d agree with this, with the caveat:

His command is OK, but not that great. The only way he becomes more than a back of the rotation guy is if he develops a truly superior ability to locate his pitches.

He did have one awesome, near perfect game in 2010 against Philly (unfortunately, the team gave him zero run support, which was a common problem vs. the Phillies.)

And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head blown off

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Dec 21, 2011 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Het MBP, are you going to Neighbors?

I am mulling over checking it out, not sure who else is going to be there.

And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head blown off

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Dec 21, 2011 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

this was the last thing I posted before I left

you should have come.

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
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by -ManBearPig on Dec 21, 2011 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

My wife was originally going to work late tonight, but plans changed and she wanted to do something else

Looks like it is an interesting place, though. I will try to catch up with you guys at the next get together.

And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head blown off

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Dec 21, 2011 11:43 PM EST up reply actions  

My personal reference is the Girl With The Curl

When he is good, he is very very good.
When he is bad, he is awful.

I think his numbers get a bit skewed by his shitawful games. I’ll be honest, I wouldn’t like the thought of him starting 15 games in Wrigley.

... I still say it was a touchdown, got tammit.

by supergrover on Dec 22, 2011 7:50 AM EST up reply actions  

oh, and he busts his ass on every play.

He even flew into the dugout trying to get a foul pop once.

Nice bat for a pitcher.

... I still say it was a touchdown, got tammit.

by supergrover on Dec 22, 2011 7:52 AM EST up reply actions  

and good wheels

He’s speedy. Remember that time he hit a triple?

Dusty has used him as a pinch-runner.

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by BubbaFan on Dec 22, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Rumor I saw was 2 warm bodies

Kevin Coddington and Travis Webb….Also Marshall is supposed to be in Cincy tomorrow to take his physical

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by cesarhernandez on Dec 21, 2011 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Coddington had some promise once upon a time

could end up a back-up catcher at some point. Webb I’ve heard of but don’t know anything about.

by pack_fan on Dec 21, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

It is reported that The deal is "pending physicals that have to be taken by all four players."

It does not sound like these are PTBNL, but rather lesser minor leaguers.

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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 21, 2011 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Webb was an 8th round pick on 2006

6-foot-4 lefthander…….did well in low minors, don’t know about his stuff…..was a middle reliever mostly in AA last season. 1-7 with a 4.41 ERA…..36 games, 5 starts. He had 36 walks in 69 innings, which isn’t good, but he did have 89 strikeouts.

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by cesarhernandez on Dec 21, 2011 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Coddington played at

the University of Illinois-Chicago.

We Are ... Marshall!

by Thundering Turtle on Dec 21, 2011 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Coddington has amazing thighs.

/tigremetrics

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by andromache on Dec 21, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

you have a thing for catcher's thighs, eh?

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by BubbaFan on Dec 21, 2011 9:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Did some mistakenly think he was named...

Travis Coddington?

Trying to pull off "having no money and talking to no one" as well as the Reds have.

by badenjr on Dec 21, 2011 8:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I can tell you about Travis Wood

He works between 87 and 90, with an average fastball of 89.3, but he can top out at 92 or 93. He isn’t a soft tossing Jamie Moyer style lefty but he isn’t a burn burner either.

When the Reds drafted him he threw 95, but he had a shoulder injury in 2008, but he came back from that and hasn’t had any health issues since. He threw over 200 innings combined between AAA and MLB in 2010.

He has decent but not spectacular command.

He isn’t going to lead the league in K’s but I you can expect him to strike out 7/9IP.

He is a flyball pitcher.

He has a real nice cutter, which made some of us dream of Cliff Lee when we first saw Wood pitch in 2010.

He has a decent change up.

He is a better pitcher than he was in 2011, but he probably isn’t as good as he was in 2010. In an ultra best case scenario he is a #2/3 level pitcher, but bottom of the rotation innings eater is also likely. I wouldn’t be surprised if he puts up 1 or 2 fine seasons with an ERA around 3.8, over 200+ innings, but I think an ERA around 4.6 is a most likely outcome for him.

I know little about him personally other than he is from Arkansas, and doesn’t seem to cause any trouble in the clubhouse.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

he looks like a child molester

but seems like a nice enough guy. He’s never been suspended or arrested, which can’t be said of all our pitchers.

He works out with Cliff Lee in Arkansas in the off-season.

I’m not sure I like this trade, but it’s probably good news for Travis. There will be a lot more opportunity for him in Chicago. He’d probably be optioned to AAA if he stayed in Cincinnati, just because there are so many other starting pitchers, most without options.

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by BubbaFan on Dec 21, 2011 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

He is a nice guy.

Ran into him at the grocery store a few times. Calm and friendly dude.

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Dec 21, 2011 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

he seemed pretty calm.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Shit,

Justin has to sneak up on a glass of water.

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Dec 21, 2011 10:55 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

i am actually a fairly calm person in real life

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Stop ruining the gags.

Next you’re gonna tell me there’s no fourth wall. Sheesh.

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Dec 21, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Baseball is really the only thing that gets my blood boiling

I am pretty sure baseball serves as a displacement mechanism for my pent up aggression.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

This seriously deserves more recognition

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by rorschach1979 on Dec 22, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

i hope this doesnt happen

id rather trade homer for seth smith!

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by shortstopv2 on Dec 21, 2011 6:32 PM EST reply actions  

the reds cannot trade Bailey if they trade Wood.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly

id rather see homer traded

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by shortstopv2 on Dec 21, 2011 6:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure how much of an upgrade Seth is over Heisey

At least Marshall is a significant upgrade

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by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Dec 21, 2011 6:37 PM EST up reply actions  

true

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Dec 21, 2011 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Is Bray gone?

He seemed like a pretty good LOOGY, how much of an upgrade is Marshall over Bray?

by jeffshireman on Dec 21, 2011 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Bray is a very similar reliever who is still with the Reds.

Currently, Marshall and Bray would be the only lefties in the Reds pen…plus whatever they do with Aroldis Chapman.

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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 21, 2011 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

They still have Willis, right?

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Dec 21, 2011 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Bray is not nearly as good as Marshall

Marshall has been one of the best relievers in baseball the last 2 years. He Ks a lot, doesn’t walk hardly any, and has a crazy high GB%.

And to get away from stats for a moment, he’s one of the only relievers I can remember who has consistently made Joey Votto look foolish.

Some of Votto’s worst at bats I’ve ever seen have come against Marshall. That’s gotta count for something.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Dec 21, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't remember who it was or where they posted it

but someone posted Marshall v Votto numbers. Votto kills him.

/guitar solo

by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 21, 2011 8:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough.....BUT

since Marshall moved to the ’pen full time in 2010, this has decidedly not been the case.

9 PAs, 4 strikeouts, .143/.333/.286 line.

The sample is tiny, but even the overall sample counting Marshall as a starter is only 17 PAs. I must just remember some of those 9 PAs from the last 2 years.

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by nycredsfan on Dec 21, 2011 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

It will also be nice to have a guy as dominant as Chapman in the 7th or 8th innings

without all of the “sheesh, i hope he doesn’t walk 4 straight batters” concerns.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Dec 21, 2011 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

we'd never have that problem if we still had Wood

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Dec 21, 2011 8:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup

I’m getting pretty excited. Right now, the team is pretty damn awesome. And I don’t think Walt is done.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 21, 2011 8:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Psst... Hey Walt...

Beltran. Get it done.

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by badenjr on Dec 21, 2011 8:53 PM EST up reply actions  

While that would be totally wicked sweet

It’s not going to happen. The money isn’t there.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 21, 2011 8:56 PM EST up reply actions  

There's always money in the banana stand

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Dec 21, 2011 8:57 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

You know, it's not so far fetched.

I mean, it’s not happening, but Walt said FA hitters were approaching him saying they wanted to play in GABP.

And rumor is that Beltran is deciding between a city he prefers and a larger contract. Maybe, just maybe, the city he prefers in Cincinnati?

I know, it’s not happening.

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by nycredsfan on Dec 21, 2011 8:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Sean is better, but last year they were very similar lefty relievers in a number of important ways:

SEAN VS BRAY:
ERA 2.26 vs 2.98
GP 78 vs 79
WHIP 1.097 vs 1.076
H/9 7.9 vs 6.5
HR/9 0.1 vs 0.6
BB/9 2.0 vs 3.2
K/9 9.4 vs 8.2
AGE 28 vs 28

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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 21, 2011 9:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Um,

the K and BB rates a VERY different, especially when taken together.

As is the HR/9 which, in Marshall’s case, is legit because of all the GBs. In fact, one could make the argument that Marshall will be even better with a competent IF defense behind him.

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by nycredsfan on Dec 21, 2011 9:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Still

Bray is good. That is for sure.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 21, 2011 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

10?

More like top 3. Fuck yeah, #fistbump.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 21, 2011 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

reliever with highest WAR is the last 2 years

according to that Dave Cameron article

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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 21, 2011 10:01 PM EST up reply actions  

In 2011

he had the 5th lowest xFIP
Was 8th amongst relievers in K/BB
was in the top 10 in GB%

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by nycredsfan on Dec 21, 2011 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Not true

A league average SP who throws 180 innings will give you about 2 WAR.

Marshall has been worth 5 total the last 2 years, and that ignores the higher leverage situations he’s put into.

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by nycredsfan on Dec 21, 2011 10:10 PM EST up reply actions  

good thing we didn't trade him one of those!

wood is soft

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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 21, 2011 10:10 PM EST up reply actions  

sassafras

That’s his new nickname now that he’s a Cub

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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 21, 2011 10:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll like this deal a lot better

if the Cubs are throwing in some cash.

Won’t be much left to get a LFer and SS otherwise.

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by BubbaFan on Dec 21, 2011 7:20 PM EST reply actions  

We shed some salary dealing for Latos...

About $3MM methinks between Voltron and Alonso. $2.5 of it just went to Marshall (his salary over replacement player).

So we have little money left and our remaining expendable prospects to deal are Frazier, Sappelt, Jordan Smith, Kris Negron, and Heisey/Stubbs…amiright?

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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 21, 2011 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

stubbs for

seth smith, heisey in cf

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by shortstopv2 on Dec 21, 2011 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

What is the obsession with Seth Smith?

Not you in general shortstopv2, but what makes him more valuable than Heisey?

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Dec 21, 2011 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I think they almost have to be.

If they are, this is a nice deal.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Dec 21, 2011 7:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Cash would help...

Get Beltran!

/gettingoldyet?

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by badenjr on Dec 21, 2011 9:00 PM EST up reply actions  

MLBTR

says 7 teams lacked an innings-eater (200 innings pitched or more) last year, and all 7 failed to make the playoffs.

I knew it! It’s all Bronson’s fault!

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by BubbaFan on Dec 21, 2011 7:45 PM EST reply actions  

We really should just move RR over to the MLBTR comment section at this point.

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by chesirecat on Dec 21, 2011 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

you gotta be kidding

Why would we want to go there? That’s a baseball blog!

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by BubbaFan on Dec 21, 2011 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought it was a baseball rumor agregator?

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Dec 21, 2011 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

If we still had Travis Wood this wouldn't be a problem

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Dec 21, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

The feeling I got over there

was that they were excited to rehash all the old ones, not that they had new ones

by pack_fan on Dec 21, 2011 8:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm glad someone will be making wood jokes

about Travis.

Hate to see potential like that wasted.

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by BubbaFan on Dec 21, 2011 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

They've got two Woods now,

if they resign their old one.

Sounds awkward to me.

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by bbjones on Dec 21, 2011 11:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Boy, I really don't get Kenny Williams

He says they are rebuilding and trades off some pieces. Then he signs Danks to a big fat extension. What…what the hell?

by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 21, 2011 9:02 PM EST reply actions  

So can we get Dunn back?

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Dec 21, 2011 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

That sounds oddly sexual

And it really shouldn’t

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Dec 21, 2011 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Any use of the word 'want' is vaguely sexual.

“I want some ice cream.”
“You disgust me.”

Is there a mod so powerful he can ban himself?

by andromache on Dec 21, 2011 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

"Sonny boy, come closer"

“Before I die (cough cough) I want you to have my pocket watch.”

“Ewwww, you’re a sick old bastard, Grenpeppy!”

by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 21, 2011 9:11 PM EST up reply actions  

"I want to see Joey Votto naked."

“That’s overtly sexual”

I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.

by darthmom on Dec 21, 2011 9:20 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I think that's called 'normal'

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Dec 21, 2011 9:21 PM EST up reply actions  

"before I die...."

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 11:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Ugh, I dislike ice cream

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Dec 21, 2011 9:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you lactose intolerant?

Because that’s really your only valid excuse.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 21, 2011 9:13 PM EST up reply actions  

It's too damn cold, I hate sweets and I have sensitive teeth

I’ve got plenty of valid excuses

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Dec 21, 2011 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

fucking weirdo.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

That's rough, dude

Ice cream is the snacks.

Hey! That double works!

by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 21, 2011 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

give a reasonable response.

You reasonable asshole you.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't call it reasonable

Ice cream is more than just a snack. It’s a way of life.

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by UncleWeez on Dec 22, 2011 12:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Ice cream is one of man's greatest inventions

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by kcgard2 on Dec 22, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

just as long as he isn't Latos-Intolerent

where do I send ’tHan his royalty check and how much do I owe him?

Perhaps I should just send it to Madville de Rio, I bet he can handle it.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

We have exactly one year left to live

He probably figures, “what the hell, why not”.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 21, 2011 9:08 PM EST up reply actions  

awesome, zombie Adam Dunn!

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 22, 2011 12:16 AM EST up reply actions  

put 'im in the barn

... I still say it was a touchdown, got tammit.

by supergrover on Dec 22, 2011 8:00 AM EST up reply actions  

I was about to say this

Dude is crazy.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Dec 21, 2011 9:05 PM EST up reply actions  

jch's peripherals are way over-rated

strikes out a lot, obp is sub .300, is an alcoholic.

"Call me old fashioned, but I think fire is magic, and it scares me a lot."

by Lucky Pierre on Dec 21, 2011 9:13 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Meanwhile,

KMIB can’t figure out why he hasn’t been offered a contract extension, and he’s worried because the 40-man Mod roster is completely full.

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by nycredsfan on Dec 21, 2011 9:13 PM EST up reply actions  

But doesn't a jch trade to VEB free up some money for an extension?

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Dec 21, 2011 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

He works for the recs.

"Call me old fashioned, but I think fire is magic, and it scares me a lot."

by Lucky Pierre on Dec 21, 2011 9:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm the best and everybody loves me!!

“HOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAYYYYY!!!!!” they all say, as I marshal the parade down RR Avenue!

by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 21, 2011 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

We have an avenue?

Sweet!

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Dec 21, 2011 9:19 PM EST up reply actions  

It's in jch's crawlspace

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Dec 21, 2011 9:20 PM EST up reply actions  

That doesn't sound so sweet anymore

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Dec 21, 2011 9:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm the Edgar Renteria of the RR mods, and I'm fine with that

I got rings, bitches.

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by jch24 on Dec 22, 2011 12:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Multiple wedding rings from failed marriages do not count as "rings"

/ooooooh shit, we’re getting pretty personal on jch in this thread.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 22, 2011 8:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm on my second and last ring, thankyaverymuch

Now as far as how many rings I’ve bought, well……shut up.

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by jch24 on Dec 22, 2011 8:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Nipple rings count double!

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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 22, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Dear God, I'm praying this guy is wrong

#Cubs likely to get Daniel Corcino from #Reds along with Wood in the Marshall deal.

https://twitter.com/piodeportes1/status/149629965149798400

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by cesarhernandez on Dec 21, 2011 9:51 PM EST reply actions  

He said he broke the Pujols to Anaheim deal

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Dec 21, 2011 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I said I stepped on my dick going to the bathroom this morning, doesn't make it true

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by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

that's a lot of dick steppin on this board today

I think we need a resident pudiatrist

... I still say it was a touchdown, got tammit.

by supergrover on Dec 22, 2011 8:03 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

He says in his twitter bio that he has lots of connections

Which means he has no connections.

There’s no way Walt gives up a top 10 prospect in addition to Wood.

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by nycredsfan on Dec 21, 2011 9:59 PM EST up reply actions  

To quote myself from earlier today:

“WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK?”

We're all mad. I'm mad. You're mad. Otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.

by chesirecat on Dec 21, 2011 9:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Time to put OGC Reds on suicide watch

We're all mad. I'm mad. You're mad. Otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.

by chesirecat on Dec 21, 2011 9:59 PM EST up reply actions  

whoops, Cingrani... Corcino... same thing

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by chesirecat on Dec 21, 2011 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

is that racist?

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 10:01 PM EST up reply actions  

pretty sure it is

this blog needs a damn delete button

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by chesirecat on Dec 21, 2011 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

i am they are both obviously Italian

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Now that's racist.

Corcino is Dominican

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by nycredsfan on Dec 21, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

so the vowel thing isn't always true?

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

No, alphabeticalist!

No one listens to me when I make up new but exceedingly useful words. Sigh.

by the finest muffins on Dec 21, 2011 11:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know if it's gonna catch on

It’s got, like, six syllables.

I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.

by darthmom on Dec 21, 2011 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

what about like...lettrist?

letteracist? ABCist?

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by UncleWeez on Dec 22, 2011 12:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Letteracist is a good one

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by kcgard2 on Dec 22, 2011 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

It's a perfectly cromulent word, muff

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by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

YES!

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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 21, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

OK that twitter guy I posted may be a clown

He also sent this out:

Trying to confirm but I think Steve Ames is also in the #Cubs/#Reds deal

Which is funny, because Steve Ames is in the Dodgers organization….at Chattanoga

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by cesarhernandez on Dec 21, 2011 10:17 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I hope we get Willis, too.

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by bbjones on Dec 21, 2011 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

So this Danks deal is weird

I still think they trade Quentin to someone that didn’t get Beltran or Fielder

@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!

by Dave from Louisville on Dec 21, 2011 10:18 PM EST reply actions  

Keep f'ing that chicken

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by nycredsfan on Dec 21, 2011 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Unless our payroll goes up

I don’t think that we have the money to get a LF bat and closer

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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 21, 2011 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

we don't need a closer

Masset, Ondrusek, LeCure, Bray, Marshall, and Arredondo will have no trouble holding leads most of the time.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 10:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Dusty Baker is the manager of this team.

He has yet to learn that the SS doesn’t always have to bat second. If he had to go into the season with no closer, his head would explode.

by sexsalad on Dec 21, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

do you actually believe the closer part?

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

do you remember the pre-Co-Co days?

it was horrible yes we need a closer

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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 21, 2011 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Not really a strong argument

The problem wasn’t a lack of a closer. Dave Weathers was a pretty good closer in 2007, the only year he was the Reds exclusive closer. He had 33 saves in 39 opportunities (84%). With the Reds Coco recorded 150 saves in 174 opportunities (86%).

The problem wasn’t a lack of a closer, the problem was the Reds had nobody to get the ball from the starter to closer or to bail out the starter in the 6th, 7th, or 8th innings.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

You have a very selective memory

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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 21, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Coco was part of the reason the bullpen improved in 2008

but he wasn’t the whole reason.

The Reds also added Mike Lincoln (who was serviceable while unspectacular), got a full healthy season out of Bill Bray, and Jeremy Affeldt, and used Burton as the 8th inning guy for the first half of the season.

2008 was the first time the Reds had a complete bullpen since the great fire sale of 2003.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't mind "developing" a closer on a losing team

But closers are important on winning teams. This team is going all in.

We not to stop thinking like losers!

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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 21, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

no recent World Series Champions developed a closer over the course of the season.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Before 2010

The bullpen was probably the best part of the Reds teams in the 2000s. We sucked, but we had some good bullpens.

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by kcgard2 on Dec 22, 2011 6:49 PM EST up reply actions  

True in 2008 and 2009.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 23, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

True but you don't get compensation picks anymore for deadline deals

If I’m Walt I try to make all projected A/B types moves in winter to try and get as many draft picks as possible.

Our ability to pick winners in the first two rounds is a huge advantage over the competition.

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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 21, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

The other side to that

is that deadline trades should be cheaper because the receiving team doesn’t get the pick.

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by nycredsfan on Dec 21, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

But that team has always lost the pick

now, the receiving team doesn’t get one. That may not affect anything, but it definitely won’t make the price higher.

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by nycredsfan on Dec 21, 2011 11:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Not to crush your dreams, but this team ain't winning the World Series unless Jay Bruce goes HAM

and about 30 other things mostly involving Scott Rolen’s shoulder and Jonny Cueto getting lucky as hell again all happen…

/debbiedowner’d

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by chesirecat on Dec 21, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, and?

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Dec 21, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

And... I guess I'll be pissed if the Reds "going for it"

means that they’re counting on getting luckier than they can reasonably expect to be.

There’s an opening in the NL right now, and I don’t to see it wasted before sinking into another half generation of mediocrity.

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by chesirecat on Dec 21, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously?

They just traded for one of the best young starters in the league, and they’re about to get one of the best relievers. I’m not sure what more you want them to do.

And I’ll point out that they were seriously UNlucky last year.

by DerekH91 on Dec 21, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

offense wasn’t their problem last year. If they get the same offensive production they got last year, a full healthy season’s from Cueto, Latos, and Leake, they will be in pretty good shape.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I know it's completely irrational and I have no facts to support it whatsoever

but I like think that Arroyo is going to be at least a little better than he was in 2011.

by sexsalad on Dec 21, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 21, 2011 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you out of you mind?

Did you see him pitch last year? I’ll be amazed if his ERA is less than 6.

by DerekH91 on Dec 21, 2011 10:53 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

i don't think it is that irrational

if he gets a bit better he can be a serviceable innings eating 5th starter.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 10:53 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, I think it's reasonable to expect at least a little improvement

but I wouldn’t hold your breath for much

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by UncleWeez on Dec 22, 2011 12:45 AM EST up reply actions  

My goal for Bronson

about 200 innings and an ERA with a 4 in front of it.

IF nothing else it will be hard for him to get worse.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 22, 2011 12:48 AM EST up reply actions  

oh, noes

A 40 ERA? Is he gonna break Janish’s record?

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by BubbaFan on Dec 22, 2011 12:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I know it's completely irrational and I have no facts to support it whatsoever

but I like think that Arroyo is going to be at least a little better than he was in 2011.

by sexsalad on Dec 21, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

Hey, it gonna be hard to be much worse, right? I think he’ll be better

by DerekH91 on Dec 21, 2011 10:53 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I don't get why it can't.

The Reds are probably the front runner for the NLC right now.

by sexsalad on Dec 21, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

why not use Marshall as the closer?

They keep saying setup man. And Coco is apparently still hoping to return to the Reds. He wants a multiyear deal, which turned the Red Sox off. I really don’t see why the Reds should give him one if they are really getting Marshall.

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by BubbaFan on Dec 21, 2011 10:27 PM EST reply actions  

Couldn't agree more

Marshall could be a great closer, and no way in hell CoCo should get multiple years.

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by nycredsfan on Dec 21, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

LeCure or Arredondo would be fine closers

use Marshall when Arroyo needs somebody to bail him out in the 7th.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I think LeCure would get majorly exposed as a closer

He’s at best a 7th inning guy in my mind. I loved what I saw last year from him, but I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if it was all smoke and mirrors. His primary value right now is emergency starter, something I think he is well suited for.

by pack_fan on Dec 21, 2011 11:44 PM EST up reply actions  

i don't think he has much value as the "6th starter".

As a starter he survived with pedestrian stuff and a good sense of “how to pitch”.

As a reliever his stuff improved a bit. His strike out rate last year as a starter was in the 6’s, it was in the 8’s as a reliever.

In 2010 when most of his work came as a starter for the Reds, his average fastball was 88.6, last year when most of his work was in the bullpen his average fastball was 90.3.

I watched LeCure and I saw a David Weathers type of reliever. Nothing about him blows you away, but he has 2 good pitches, really good command of them.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

LeCure could be a closer, but I doubt Dusty/Walt sees him as such.

I’m a big believer in LeCure and like him as a guy that can be whatever the bullpen requires on a particular day. If the starter goes out after 4 innings, Sam can give you 3 innings. If there’s a high leverage situation in the 6th, 7th or 8th, he can get out you of a jam.

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by -ManBearPig on Dec 21, 2011 11:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I like him as a reliever, don't get me wrong

but with Wood out of the fold, he might be better served at giving us some depth as a starter. Obviously as it stands he would be in the pen.

by pack_fan on Dec 22, 2011 12:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Sam LeCure the starter is probably replacement level at best

his stuff seems to work much better in relief.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 22, 2011 12:25 AM EST up reply actions  

I won't disagree

I think its nice to have a guy that can do both, if needed.

by pack_fan on Dec 22, 2011 12:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree about Arredondo

He’s a year removed from his Tommy John surgery, so his control may get a lot better this season.

I’d much rather the Reds go in with the bullpen they have and spend those dollars on some hitting rather than spend for a closer.

Heck, if Aroldis pans out in the rotation, I want to see Homer Bailey as closer.

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by cesarhernandez on Dec 21, 2011 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Throwing out the fact that I don't think Chapman is ready to start

I would be fine with Bailey being the closer, if they are willing to move him back to the rotation if an opening occurs. Which they wouldn’t be willing to do, Dusty would say something about not wanting to cause flux in his bullpen, blahblahblah.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 11:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree'd

but get ready for the “has never been a closer” and the “it takes a different kind of temperament” bullshit.

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by Pops Daniels on Dec 21, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Paying a premium for a closer is just stupid with all the arms in the bullpen right now

Plus it means they have to do something about Homer Bailey.

If Homer Bailey is traded the Reds rotation is in a lot of trouble.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Homer will not be traded.

I think they still think quite highly of his worth.

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by Pops Daniels on Dec 21, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 21, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

but Walt said Chapman will break camp with the team so at the moment the Reds have 13 pitchers for 12 spots

I know it would be a Chanukah miracle if all 13 of those guys make it throw spring training without getting hurt (I’m looking at you Bray), but it isn’t unheard of, and if it does happen the Reds will have a very difficult to decision to make.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

i have no idea why i wrote that

the reds have 12 pitchers for 12 spots at the moment, without a closer.

get a delete button SBN!

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions  

no way they option LeCure

I’d make a bet with JCH that it doesn’t happen

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by -ManBearPig on Dec 22, 2011 12:04 AM EST up reply actions  

If nobody gets hurt or traded and they get a "closer"

they will have to do something stupid that involves optioning LeCure, Ondrusek, or Leake, or exposing Bailey to waivers.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 22, 2011 12:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Or you know they could just let Chapman start out in AAA.

Oh wait, that would be the smart move.

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by BigBabyBruce on Dec 22, 2011 12:17 AM EST up reply actions  

at best he is replacement level starting pitcher

but he is a very fine relief pitcher.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 22, 2011 12:25 AM EST up reply actions  

better than the guy we acquire to be our closer?

someone has to go if we bring someone into the fold, LeCure seems like an obvious choice.

by pack_fan on Dec 22, 2011 12:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I think BBB is right and Chappy should start the year in AAA

LeCure proved last year he is far more valuable as a reliever than a starter. LeCure’s big issue was getting through the order for the 3rd time as a starter. As a reliever he can dial up his fastball to 92-93 and use that and his wicked slider as his two main pitches. I’d rather see Lurch go to AAA than LeCure at this point.

Maybe I’me just crazy and enamored with him because of the mustache, though.

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by -ManBearPig on Dec 22, 2011 12:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm afraid he looked better than he actually is last year

I think that’s what this comes down to. I like him as a pitcher though, just that I’m skeptical he’s as good as he showed last year. I definitely wouldn’t value him over Lurch, but we’re all entitled to our opinion.

by pack_fan on Dec 22, 2011 12:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Hell make Lurch the closer

he was steady and useful last.

I am completely confident that with the 6 current guys plus either Bailey or Chapman will make a fine bullpen even if none of them were “closers” before. I am guessing that even if the Reds do not name a closer before the season starts, by about May or June the bullpen roles will shake out and a closer will be known. Hell maybe, since none of them are making really big money, they could even have a closer A and closer B, like Jack McKeon did in 1999 with Danny Graves and Scott Williamson.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 22, 2011 12:34 AM EST up reply actions  

you also said throw instead of through

get an edit button SBN!

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by -ManBearPig on Dec 22, 2011 12:01 AM EST up reply actions  

There's a rec button there damnit, use it

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by jch24 on Dec 21, 2011 11:40 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

i always thought +1 means I agree

i don’t need to rec everything I agree with.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

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by UncleWeez on Dec 22, 2011 12:51 AM EST up reply actions  

+4

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat

by -ManBearPig on Dec 22, 2011 12:52 AM EST up reply actions  

/schizophrenic'd

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Dec 22, 2011 8:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't disagree, but

+1

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Dec 22, 2011 8:55 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Keep it up and you'll be next on my chokey list

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 22, 2011 9:01 AM EST up reply actions  

And don't forget....

CoCo is already more expensive for us than he is for anyone else because if we sign him we lose a draft pick.

Trying to pull off "having no money and talking to no one" as well as the Reds have.

by badenjr on Dec 21, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, and Walt has been very non-commital and unenthusiastic when mentioning him

He says they’ve talked to him, but it’s not like Walt seems eager to bring him back.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Dec 21, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Ghost Hunters

is showing the baseball hall of fame episode tonight. Buncha Red Sox fans.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Dec 21, 2011 10:45 PM EST reply actions  

was it worth watching?

They had a local one, for me, at Wright Patterson AFB. Disappointing. i like the show, but sometimes it is feeling more like the other “ooh, orbs” type shows than it used to.

... I still say it was a touchdown, got tammit.

by supergrover on Dec 22, 2011 8:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I really want to go to Waverly Hills in Louisville, it's supposed to be haunted

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 22, 2011 8:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Its really creepy

They do a “haunted house” there every year in the fall, but they have overnight camping tours in the summer. I know a few people that have done that and were pretty freaked out.

@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!

by Dave from Louisville on Dec 22, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

not that great

I kept wanting them to turn the lights up so I could see more of the place. I mean, it’s not like ghosts don’t appear in daylight.

I’m reading a book about the ghosts of Old Louisville, and it’s really interesting. Makes me want to go to Louisville and check it out.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Dec 22, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

people seem to like this deal for both teams

Reds acquire reliever Sean Marshall from Cubs

According to FanGraphs’ Wins Above Replacement statistic, Marshall was the game’s third-most valuable relief pitcher in 2012 — behind only Craig Kimbrel of Atlanta and Jonathan Papelbon of Boston.

He will give the Reds a high-leverage lefty in the bullpen and allow them to move hard-throwing Aroldis Chapman into the starting rotation. If the Reds don’t find a closer this offseason (Francisco Cordero is a free agent), Marshall has the skills to step into the ninth-inning role.

Theo likes to trade players as they near free agency, and the new CBA gives him even more incentive to do that.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Dec 21, 2011 11:00 PM EST reply actions  

I wonder if the two minor leaguers will ever be revealed

Perhaps they will keep it a secret forever, and these two poor bastards will become chicken fuckers without ever even knowing it.

Oh, and if one of them turns out to be Corcino, I am putting strychnine in Walt’s Metamucil.

And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head blown off

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Dec 21, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

You know what will suck?

When they make it to the Show, and they still don’t know what team they are playing for, so every at bat, it’s like, should I try to get a hit? or am i really on the other team? if i pop up should i try to catch it?

poor bastards.

"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville

by bbjones on Dec 21, 2011 11:16 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

maybe i'll just stand here and wait.

"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville

by bbjones on Dec 21, 2011 11:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Let's not waste our time in idle discourse

Let’s do something, while we have the chance!

And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head blown off

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Dec 21, 2011 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

That's absurd

I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.

by darthmom on Dec 21, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Such is life

And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head blown off

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Dec 21, 2011 11:33 PM EST up reply actions  

like mst3k references... quantum leap quips will always get a rec from me

Individuality: Always remember that you are unique. Just like everybody else.

by joshuar9476 on Dec 22, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Keith Law on twitter

said the Reds are NOT giving up Corcino, but the two players are “not zeros” and that Cubs fans should be happy.

Hmmm…..Travis Webb and ????

"There's only one god, and his name is Death. And what do we say to Death? Not today!" --- Syrio Forel, Game of Thrones

by cesarhernandez on Dec 21, 2011 11:22 PM EST reply actions  

Negron please.

Contributing little more than than snark and wittiness to SBN since 2007.

by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Theo did draft Negron back in 2006

"There's only one god, and his name is Death. And what do we say to Death? Not today!" --- Syrio Forel, Game of Thrones

by cesarhernandez on Dec 21, 2011 11:27 PM EST up reply actions  

good point

But he’s been pretty mediocre. In fact, he’d been kinda terrible. Barely hitting his weight, and not terribly good with the glove, either.

And we have so little depth at SS that the Reds might not want to lose him. Cozart, Janish, Didi – that’s it, if we trade Negron.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Dec 22, 2011 12:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Valaika can play a little short too, can't he?

Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me

by UncleWeez on Dec 22, 2011 12:54 AM EST up reply actions  

He's listed at 6'0", so yeah he's a little short

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 22, 2011 12:57 AM EST up reply actions  

fuck you

i am 6’0"

Contributing little more than than snark and wittiness to SBN since 2007.

by Yossarian22 on Dec 22, 2011 12:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I maybe shorter than you ladies

but petey ALWAYS sits at the big boys table

this post has some syntax and apostrophe issues - jutsin

by PeteyHendrix on Dec 22, 2011 1:19 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

But of course

We’ve seen your “qualifications”, pony keg.

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 22, 2011 8:35 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

it's too bad Negron isn't a better player

They’ve been using him just about everywhere. He was the starting SS once Cozart was called up, and he also played CF.

He could be the supersub Freel-type we need. If he hit better than .216 and didn’t have an unfortunate tendency to throw the ball away.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Dec 22, 2011 1:08 AM EST up reply actions  

it is too bad everyone the Reds have isn't better.

Contributing little more than than snark and wittiness to SBN since 2007.

by Yossarian22 on Dec 22, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

he was drafted as a SS

And the Reds gave him a couple of starts there once they were out of it. But he’s been a second baseman for the past couple of years.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Dec 22, 2011 12:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I hope it is Travis Webb.

I see him as just organizational filler.

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Dec 21, 2011 11:53 PM EST up reply actions  

13 people at the burger get together tonight, damn

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 22, 2011 12:49 AM EST reply actions  

gawddammit, now I'm really bummed.

Wish I could’ve made it.

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 22, 2011 1:01 AM EST up reply actions  

dang.

newport beers on Friday?

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 22, 2011 1:05 AM EST up reply actions  

it'd have to be early for me

driving to the ATL on Saturday morning

happy hour work?

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat

by -ManBearPig on Dec 22, 2011 1:07 AM EST up reply actions  

can't be there til at least 8.

got xmas dinner w/ cousins in Ft. Thomas til then.

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 22, 2011 1:09 AM EST up reply actions  

well maybe you will have to host a RR get together at

the Great American Beer Fest in Denver next fall.

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat

by -ManBearPig on Dec 22, 2011 1:11 AM EST up reply actions  

wow

biggest turnout ever?

how many did we end up having @ Gordo’s?

The ends justify the means

by Highlifeman21 on Dec 22, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Site's acting up, it must be a weekday

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 22, 2011 8:47 AM EST reply actions  

I always want to pronounce "Votto Window" like I'm German.....Votto Vindow!

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 22, 2011 8:51 AM EST reply actions  

I think LeCure is a pedophile

Go Colts Dammit!

by Ram27 on Dec 22, 2011 9:56 AM EST reply actions  

Sounds like someone's jealous of the boys and girls in Sam's house

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 22, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

and innumerate

that’s more than five things.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Dec 22, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

no it isn't

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Dec 22, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Huh?

that’s five

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Dec 22, 2011 6:57 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

you can't count

1. biscuits & gravy
2. pedobear’s dream
3. hugs
4. Xmas candy
5. safe travel

#SesameStreet

The ends justify the means

by Highlifeman21 on Dec 22, 2011 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

how many biscuits?

"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville

by bbjones on Dec 22, 2011 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Bubba just trolled the shit out of all of you guys

#smdh

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 23, 2011 8:53 AM EST up reply actions  

uh no

and put some damn clothes on

The ends justify the means

by Highlifeman21 on Dec 23, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

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