Cribbin' notes from Gaslamp Ball - Q&A re: Mat Latos
Just in case you haven't had your fill of Mat Latos-related content over the past few days, I asked jbox and Dex at Gaslamp Ball if they would be kind enough to answer a few questions for us. We've all read plenty of analysis from experts and poured over the relevant (and irrelevant) numbers, but I thought it would be helpful to get the invaluable nerdlinger fan perspective. It's what we do around here. Anyway, here goes:
RR - One of the more concerning items (on our end, anyway) to come out in the analysis of this trade is that the Padres may have had some concerns regarding his maturity. So much so, even, that it may have been their primary motivation in moving him. Could you weigh in on this? Is he just an animated character on the mound like Chris Carpenter, or is he an unstable powder keg like Carlos Zambrano? Have you seen any progress (or regress) over the past few years?
GLB - Latos’ maturity issues definitely lean more towards emotional goofball rather than psychopath, though who knows what goes on behind the scenes. Not really sure how accurate the Padres rumored concerns affected the decision to trade him. For a really good article about how he has grown since his early days check out this ESPN piece. It seems that he had problems with authority and keeping his cool on the mound. As far as progress goes, that was 2010. He jumped on board with the team mentality which led to his success and demonstrated why some people consider him an Ace.
RR - Latos has already spent some time on the DL in his short career. Could you give us some details? Is it anything we should be concerned about long-term?
GLB - No. Both times he landed on the DL it was suspected for reasons other than injury. The first injury was the result of a sneeze but was also served as a way to rest him and limit his innings without using any options. With the Padres in a pennant race in 2010, he fell off towards the end of the season (like the rest of the team) likely due to fatigue.
Tom Krasovic said the second stint on the DL due to a "shoulder flare up" (bursa sac) was also a way to give Latos a time to build confidence after an awful Spring Training. GM Hoyer said they didn’t even give him an MRI which means the injury wasn’t serious.
RR - What's his pitch repertoire like? It looks like he used his slider a bit more this past year. The numbers say he has fantastic stuff, but could you give any eyeball scouting info?
GLB - He usually has good stuff, it’s just a matter of keeping a consistent delivery. Mat seems to get into trouble, like most pitchers, when elevating his pitches. Last season he was frequently touched up early by the long ball and then would settle in and be lights out the rest of the way.
RR - Was there any hint of a discussion of a long-term extension before he was traded? Do you think he'd be amenable to the idea, or does he seem more like a year-to-year guy who wants to hit free agency as soon as possible?
GLB - By all accounts, he really loved San Diego. We just saw him at a charity event last week and he was the first player that I’ve seen wear a Padres hat while out of uniform. I think that says something about the way he felt about San Diego. It seemed that he would’ve been happy signing a long term deal, but that’s after one good season and one OK season. Neither Latos or the Front Office hinted at a deal but fans brought it up frequently.
RR - What's the nature of his relationship with the media? Is he good for a witty quip every now and again, or is he more reserved or even stand-offish?
GLB - He is a character, which is part of what’s breaking a lot of hearts in San Diego. As a counter to his fiery personality on the mound he is usually pretty subdued in post game interviews. However, some local media have come out and said that he’s an a-hole and that the media has covered it up, so there’s that side of the coin also.
He seems to attract controversy, noteably he once autographed several baseballs with the words "I Hate SF" just above his signature which riled up fans from the Bay Area. He has also been criticized on occasion for focusing on the positives of his own performance after a loss which rubbed some media and apparently some teammates and coaches the wrong way.
RR - His wife seems like a peach of a gal. Does she make herself a visible person around the ballpark and the community? Like, do you think she would put on something like a charity bikini car wash? And if so, what do you think the security would be like for such an event? Like, do you think one would be able to openly use camera equipment, or would one be safer concealing it in something like a ball cap, or, say, a dozen roses? I, uh, my friend jch24 wants to know.
GLB - Dallas is active on Twitter (@DallasLatos) and always entertaining, get to know her there first. She travels with Mat on the road and attends his starts at home. As far as visibility goes, she freely admits to bouts of shyness and is probably the least visible, modelesque lady, wearing bedazzled team gear ever. She is really nice but does not suffer fools gladly.
RR - One thing I noticed looking at his numbers is that he doesn't often go deep into games. I would figure a guy who walks so few hitters would more often pitch into the 8th inning or later. Was he held to unusually strict pitch counts due to age or injury history? Did he lose effectiveness the 3rd time through the order? Or was the Padres' bullpen so awesome that it was just unnecessary for him to go that deep?
GLB - Jed Hoyer and Buddy Black really tried to keep Mat on a strict pitch count, protecting his arm and trying not wear him out over the course of a Major League season. He jumped up through the minor leagues so quickly that they wanted to limit the number of innings he threw until he built up his endurance.
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Indeed. I'm getting excited for baseball.
Only 2+ months until spring training!
It feels so nice to be back to normal
by nycredsfan on Dec 19, 2011 4:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Kudos to the folks at GLB
Quite informative, and has resulted in making me even more giddy about this.
This is great, and the Dallas question manages to be both creepy and charming at once.
Their dog is also on twitter, and like Ms. Latos seems to be quite fun and clever.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Dec 19, 2011 4:35 PM EST reply actions
Dang, my dog needs to be on twitter. He's a genius.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
by nycredsfan on Dec 19, 2011 4:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You can find him @ballsthedog
Hopefully fans won’t start sending him insane questions during the season.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Dec 19, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
That's what the offseason is for!
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
they named their dog "Balls" ????
that’s hilarious
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
And they have a pet viper named Strikes.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Dec 19, 2011 5:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
should do "batter"
So it can shit in the Batters Box.
... I still say it was a touchdown, got tammit.
by supergrover on Dec 19, 2011 7:47 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
And a tiny bat that they call
Ron.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Dec 19, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i see what you did there
Individuality: Always remember that you are unique. Just like everybody else.
what kind of dog is it?
Is it a pit bull, like in the puppy photos?
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I think it is the same little guy, or similar.
Here he is:

by Cuetotally Amazing on Dec 19, 2011 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
I feel like you started a pickup line but didn't finish it
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Dec 19, 2011 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
possibly, she says she likes tattoos
but there’s no fingernail polish, so i was thinking it was him.
but then i looked back at the shoes with the loose top. those look like girl shoes.
i just can’t decide
The worst comedy in the history of TV.
God what an insipid and dull blundering self serving group of unlikable characters.
Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
by Madville on Dec 20, 2011 11:51 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Man, we could be brothers.
I get all of the jokes with that show, and the premise, it’s just fucking…….stupid. Not funny at all.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 21, 2011 12:00 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Holy shit!
Brethren!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 21, 2011 12:07 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Damn
Sometimes I wonder about you people.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 21, 2011 12:11 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
a rec for everyone but you, sir
still love ya though, chuck
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
Also, #TeamSeinfeld
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Dec 21, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
I'm in the anti-Seinfeld camp as well
SOLIDARITY BROTHERS
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
I've never been able to sit through a whole episode
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
me either
maybe seen 45 combined minutes my whole life
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 22, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
Touching on the last point
Latos was 48th in the majors in innings pitched last year, but he was just 63rd in Pitcher Abuse Points (PAP). In 2010, he was 69th in IP and 129th in PAP. I’ve never liked PAP as an injury predictor, but I think it fits as a quick indicator of how hard a pitcher has been worked. Despite throwing a good amount of innings for his age, the Padres did a pretty good job of not abusing him. He’s only thrown over 110 pitches in a game 4 times in his career. By comparison, Johnny Cueto (whom I’ve never thought of as being abused by the Reds) had 13 games over 110 pitches by the time he was Latos’s age.
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I read an ariticle (I think fangraphs) that said he has not gone above 110 pitches very often in his career
pitches not innings are what is important.
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you replied to a comment that said that he's only gone above 110 pitches 4 times.
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by Slyde on Dec 19, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
oh
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 19, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
/reading comprehension'd
It feels so nice to be back to normal
by nycredsfan on Dec 19, 2011 5:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
pitch counts are for pansies
Ask Nolan Ryan and Japanese pitchers.
Buy RED: My Uncensored Life in Rock by Sammy Hagar, today
by obc2 on Dec 19, 2011 7:35 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
And yo mamma.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 19, 2011 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
Hey everybody, look at the outlier!!!
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by Slyde on Dec 19, 2011 8:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
obc is not an outlier, he's an out and outliar
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
your mother's an astronaut!
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by obc2 on Dec 20, 2011 3:14 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Good questions, Chuck
And good answers from the guys at GLB. I didn’t know he had such a strict pitchcount, but I imagine he’ll be going deeper in to games with the uncertainty surrounding the bullpen
My sense is she's probably heard it all before.
She seems not to take things too seriously, so that’s fun. And with Kalee Maloney no longer tweeting on our side, we needed a new baseball wife to follow.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Dec 19, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
she should join RR!
do you think she likes animated gifs and dick jokes?
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
Her description in Twitter sayd...
Baseball wife in pursuit of happiness and endless Harry Potter. I like art, fashion, traveling, modeling, music, literature, tattoos, animals, your mom.
I think she’ll fit right in.
I read some ariticle that said he had a wife
The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!
worst twitter acct ever
Anyone who didn’t unfollow her on less than one month is a moron!
Buy RED: My Uncensored Life in Rock by Sammy Hagar, today
by obc2 on Dec 19, 2011 7:37 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I would think
she’d be more upset about her husband being called an a-hole than the part about her.
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I was getting the impression that the asshole thing was true
You guys, I’m worried that I think our new pitcher is a dick.
by Brendanukkah on Dec 19, 2011 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
i want a vilian
i have always been secretly jealous of the Cardinals having one of the biggest assholes in the game.
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Even the girls?
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
yeah.
I miss Ash.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Dec 19, 2011 9:31 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Keep firing assholes!
Individuality: Always remember that you are unique. Just like everybody else.
by joshuar9476 on Dec 19, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
I don't really care.
If someone’s a douche and they suck I don’t like them, but if a guy kicks ass for the Reds he can be as big of a dick as he wants.
well
We’ve already had pitchers who shoplift and ‘roid. I think we live with one who’s a dick.
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by BubbaFan on Dec 19, 2011 7:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, the more I read about the guy, the more I think that if he played for anybody else in the Central, he'd be among me least favorite ballplayers
And he'd always be after me lucky charms?
Still not a candidate.
by Gray on Dec 19, 2011 7:13 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
i read that as if it were said in the voice of mr. krabs
by 'tHan on Dec 19, 2011 7:13 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Things I can tell from this comment - You don't don't smoke pot and you don't have kids
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Want a kid? I've got some for sale
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
I don't think we have anyone as dickish as Latos seems to be
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Homer
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Dec 19, 2011 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
Homer was surly
and not very accommodating to fans. But he didn’t do anything like spit at reporters…did he?
And he seems to be much better now.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
He's improved
But I find it hard to believe that Latos actually spit at a reporter and this is the first we’re hearing about it.
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
Yeah
Maybe I’m a little biased right now, but reading that bit left me thinking much less of the writer, not Latos.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 19, 2011 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
I find it harder to believe
that that radio guy would say it if it wasn’t true.
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no
This isn’t a trial, and none of us are jurors.
However, Latos makes enough money to afford a lawyer, and if Darren Smith is lying about this, it could get expensive.
Is there anyone from SD here? What kind of radio personality is Darren Smith? Near as I can tell, he’s a Larry King type – lobs only softballs. Nothing that will make the guests uncomfortable.
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Latos doesn't strike me as the litigious type
He strikes me as more the “pfffff, whatever brah” type.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 19, 2011 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
I live in SD now, but I haven't really listened to sports radio here
so I can’t weigh in. Just wanted to rub it in that it’s 65 and sunny today.
Visitors welcome.
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
That's about what it is here in DC
(Ok, it’s probably not that warm, but dang if it doesn’t feel like spring.)
by Brendanukkah on Dec 20, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
i have a hard time believing that a radio guy would ever tell a lie or say something outrageous to draw attention to themselves
"I don't know who that is"

Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
by UncleWeez on Dec 20, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Wait, really?
Radio people pull this shit all the time. Maybe you don’t see at much because you don’t live in this city, but Lance McAlister here constantly starts shit with players on the local teams (and hell, Alan Cutler can partly be blamed for the UC/XU brawl last weekend trying to start shit between the two teams).
And need I remind you of the fact that local radio station WLW had a specially “good riddance” commercial queued up on the day that Adam Dunn was traded? Radio people have no credibility.
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
He's the worst
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
Ooh, can Exasperated Richard Schiff
come back to play in 2012?
by the finest muffins on Dec 20, 2011 12:51 AM EST up reply actions
oh most definitely
he will come out of retirement.
I’m pretty pumped that caught on, actually
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
Honestly
I hope he doesn’t come back. He only comes around when bad things are happening. Personally, I hope Excited Tom Cruise becomes a permanent fixture during our run to the pennant.
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by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 20, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, is that against the rules of memes?
My bad, homey.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 20, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
Yours is definitely better
it’s just only applicable in bad situations. We don’t want bad situations this year.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 20, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
you make a good point
maybe we’ll be SO good this year, that, like, when Votto misses a homer by like an inch of the foul pole, we can break it out ironically
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
Oh, really?
I guess I missed the point of him. I always called him rally Toby and considered him a good luck charm.
by the finest muffins on Dec 21, 2011 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
Exasperation
I think that was the point :)
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 21, 2011 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
I think we can suit him to the way the season goes
however that may be.
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
Something like
Overtaken by the Emotion of the Reds carrying an 18 game lead into August Richard Schiff?

by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 21, 2011 7:47 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
kunte kinte
... I still say it was a touchdown, got tammit.
by supergrover on Dec 20, 2011 7:14 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
maybe we just have too many lawyers here in NY
But I would be truly surprised if a sports radio guy said something this specific that was untrue. Starting things, sure. Saying something like “He’s a jerk” or “He’s disliked by his teammates,” sure. But something specific like that – he spits at reporters – is not subjective. It happened or it didn’t, and you better be able to prove it.
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I wouldn't be surprised at all.
It’s exceptionally difficult for plaintiffs to succeed in a defamation suit.
but he could have been talking animatedly
and spit came out of his mouth and hit some reporter, and Latos didn’t apologize (or didn’t notice, or whatever), and the reporter got all pissy
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
Yeah, I refuse to believe
That if a reporter got spit on he wouldn’t immediately do a million different interviews with an eye patch on, a cast around his arm, and crutches.
by DerekH91 on Dec 20, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I read this while eating gold star
And I’m pretty sure I just snarfed chili.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 20, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
well
Mrs. Latos has declared it unprofessional and false.
Though the San Diego fans seem to think it’s believable. Just sour grapes, maybe? Darren Smith supposedly has connections in the Pads organization – to the point that he might keep something like this under his hat to preserve his sources.
They are also reporting that there’s no way the Pads would have ever offered Latos an extension. For whatever reason.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
'first class asshole'
Sounds like a credible reporter
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
furman
... I still say it was a touchdown, got tammit.
by supergrover on Dec 19, 2011 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
That's who I meant, my bad
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
oh
wasn’t trying to correct you! I thought I was just citing another who does that mess!
... I still say it was a touchdown, got tammit.
You were right, for the record
I get those two confused, as they both preeeetty much suck
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Dec 20, 2011 8:16 AM EST up reply actions
Andy Furman, not Alan Cutler IIRC
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Both fools to be suffered.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 20, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
I could care less if he's an asshole
I bet a lot of rich ballplayers are assholes. Hell I’m kind of an asshole sometimes. Regarding Carpenter, he’s not just an asshole, he’s also a giant piece of shit. And yes I think there is a difference.
Yes, there is.
I’m a genuflecting asshole on such matters.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 19, 2011 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
I want an asshole badass starting pitcher on this team
This team lacks personality
@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Dec 19, 2011 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
Dunno if it lacks personality
But it does seem like a lot of great pitchers are jerks. Randy Johnson introduced himself to New York by attacking a photographer. And he wasn’t 24. (Ironically, he is now trying to start a new career as a photographer.)
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This team has the personality of Joey Votto
Canadian
@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Dec 19, 2011 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
You mean smart enough
to not be a polarized buncha assholes?
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 19, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
I like that Joey is smart and BP is goofy
But we need a guy that is absolutely hated by the division rivals.
@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Dec 19, 2011 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
Ok, fine.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 19, 2011 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think Phillips is an asshole
I think he is Phillips.
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 20, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
no, I'm not saying he's an asshole at all
but Dave said the team lacks personality. I think BP makes up for all the boring
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
and Dontrelle Willis
he’s still on the team, right?
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
by -ManBearPig on Dec 20, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not sure.
I’ve been eagerly waiting news about him all offseason, but I haven’t heard anything.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
dang
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
by -ManBearPig on Dec 20, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
bad news, guys

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 20, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Nice photoshop yoss
crashtestnipplechip citymoron
by Excalib8 on Dec 20, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Those guys break all the important stories!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 20, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
My favorite last night was Bowden
tweeting week old stuff like it was breaking news.
“Inside industry sources tell me the Fighters will definitely accept the bid. No word on who won, but it’s probably Rangers or Jays…or someone else”
It feels so nice to be back to normal
Cheese and rice?
Is that a thing all of the young tweeters are saying these days?
Still not a candidate.
I believe it's a slang euphemism for a certain deity's name that it rhymes with.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
My Menaw used to say it
I think it’s an old person thing.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 19, 2011 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
Menaw? Explain please.
I grew up with only a great great grandmother who we called “granny”, so variations on what to call old relatives
fascinates me.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
My little brother couldn't say "grandma"
and when he tried, it always came out “Menaw”. And it stuck.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 20, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
Ah, cool
It’s like my childhood nickname of “Elephant dick”, then.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
your little brother couldn't pronounce "micropenis"?
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by BubbaFan on Dec 20, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Nope, that's why the family friend went by "BK"
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
That isn't why
WAIIIIIT A MINUTE
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Dec 20, 2011 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
unrelated
but I just noticed that johnnypronto’s been warned by the Browns blog about trolling 4 times in the last 3 months. That made me smile. I wonder if it’s been about Homer Bailey.
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by Slyde on Dec 19, 2011 4:53 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Probably something his sources told him about Colt McCoy's throwing motion
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
interesting post
from teh Fay:
After the Mat Latos deal, Jocketty sounded like the Reds were close to another deal.
"There’s still a chance but it’s taking longer than I than I thought," he said.
Teh Fay hints that Andrew Bailey or Seth Smith might be the players Walt’s after.
Then there’s this part:
Jocketty said the Reds may go further down the list. Rick Ankiel and Ryan Ludwick remain unsigned.
"Those are guys I had in the past," Jocketty said. "I like them both. We’ll probably wait until January to see who’s still available. There’s still a lot of guys out there. Waiting can work out. We did it with Jonny Gomes a few years ago and it worked out pretty well.
He does say they aren’t interested in bringing back Gomes.
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I'm not opposed to Ludwick getting a Freddy Lewis contract.
he gets on base and uses his right hand to do it. Sure.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
He'd hit a few dingers in this park too.
Still, I’d rather have a league minimum Heisey and Frazier.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
Reds notes
currently at the top of MLBTR. Jocketty says they’ll get an arm before they get a bat. They’re courting Coco again.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I hope he uses both hands to get on base!
(Wow, that sounds way more suggestive than I intended, but I’m going to post it anyway.)
by the finest muffins on Dec 20, 2011 12:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
how far is he goin'?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 1:19 AM EST up reply actions
According to his lady on Twitter
Clutch Man Maty will be wearing #55 for the ’Legs
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
so, we can start buying jerseys now?
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You'll have to buy them again in two years when he's changed his name to Mat Cincocinco
It’s a Cincinnati thing.
by Brendanukkah on Dec 19, 2011 6:57 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Maybe Cincinnati should give itself an extra t
by Brendanukkah on Dec 19, 2011 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
Cincimmati
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by Slyde on Dec 19, 2011 7:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Be careful.
Mrs. Latos might be reading. We wouldn’t want to piss her off. Not right off the bat, at least.
there are more powerful people than mrs. latos reading this blog
i’m not worried about pissing them off either
cliff lee has 2 first names
much like trains, that sucks
by 'tHan on Dec 19, 2011 7:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
On behalf of Jay Bruce
You take that back!
by Brendanukkah on Dec 19, 2011 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
Just like Milton Berle
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
Milton Berle Ives?
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 19, 2011 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
isn't Khan a first name also?
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by obc2 on Dec 19, 2011 7:39 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
x

"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Dec 19, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
And Sean Casey. And Joe Morgan. And Pete Rose.
And Homer Bailey.
by the finest muffins on Dec 20, 2011 12:56 AM EST up reply actions
also, this
Dear B.J.:
A Yahoo! Search on “most common last name” resulted in this pithy article from the good folks who bring us Meriam-Webster’s Word for the Wise column. The world’s most common surname (not surprisingly, considering the numbers) is Chang or Zhang.
There are approximately 100 million Zhangs. The name is roughly 4,700 years old. In all of Mainland China, there are only 438 last names. Chinese surnames were originally based on geography.
Here are the top five last names in the United States, according to the 1990 data from the U.S. Census Bureau: Smith, Johnson, Williams, Jones, and Brown. There are around 3 million Smiths in the U.S., and they’ve held the top spot for the last 13 years.
Zhang ranks pretty low on the list of American surnames — 2292nd. Perhaps more tellingly, Garcia and Martinez rank 18th and 19th,
by 'tHan on Dec 19, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
#zhang
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by Slyde on Dec 19, 2011 7:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
He grew up to be President, didn't he?
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
Mat Latos doesn't have any first names
That’s good hustle
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Dec 19, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
maybe she should do grown up entertainment
Get paid for her hobby
... I still say it was a touchdown, got tammit.
if you're good at something
never do it for free
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2011 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
Your wife likes the train, ifyaknowwhutI'msayin
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
cumandridethetrain?
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
by ChiDa on Dec 20, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Damn you
Also, why in God’s name was this not Dontrelle’s entrance song?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
should have been
oh what could have been..
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
He is likely not on the list of powerful people reading this blog.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Dec 19, 2011 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
I weep for our future
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by Slyde on Dec 19, 2011 7:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Wow, that came off twice as dickish as I intended it to.
My bad, everyone.
by sexsalad on Dec 19, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
The best part about this comment
is that you intended it to be somewhat dickish.
Which means that you are a dick, but not a very effective one.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
by nycredsfan on Dec 19, 2011 7:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
flag'd
Flat out saying someone is a dick is kind of a dick move.
Attack the idea, not the person.
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by obc2 on Dec 19, 2011 7:56 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I'm not the only one who thinks some mods are getting chippy
Then if the populace calls one out it becomes an emotionally laden event, dramatic as hell.
I think mods should lead by example. Attitude reflects leadership.
Comprende, Cochise?
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by obc2 on Dec 19, 2011 8:17 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I'm not going to get into an argument tonight
I’ll just say that you pretty much have nothing to say to me about how to behave on this site.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
the above comment seemed to be more an attempt at humor than name calling
at least, thats how I read it.
It doesn't matter.
OBWOK just likes trying to get under my skin. Sometimes, he’s successful.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
Chippy?
I’m much more crackery than I am chippy. I like dips more than salsas.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 19, 2011 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
As I like to say - Everything tastes better on a cracker
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
That's not what your mother said
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Dec 20, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
Good call, John.
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by Slyde on Dec 19, 2011 7:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
and there's only one t in Mathew
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by Slyde on Dec 19, 2011 7:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I am not sure
I just hope he is LeCure to the Reds pitching whoas.
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you are incorrect
unfortunately
I was rootin’ for ya
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I'm fairly positive it's LAY-toes
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
I say you're all incorrect
someone find me a link to prove me wrong
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
you should tweet his old lady
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
by -ManBearPig on Dec 19, 2011 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
actually..
I will….
.. and done
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2011 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think she's tweeting me back
uppity broad
‘tHan knows what I’m talkin’ about
You’d think she’d wanna set the record straight
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2011 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
You should probably kidnap her and drive her to New Jersey.
That would terrorize her. Nothing is scarier than New Jersey.
seriously
armpit of ’Merica
nothing made me happier on my way to and from Philly than to get the fuck off the Jersey Turnpike
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2011 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
I used to live in Jersey
On the westbound road that turns into the Philly turnpike, I think it was, there was a sign at the border.
“Welcome to Pennsylvania. America Starts Here.”
So…. that cesspool I just drove out of was? Let’s just leave it as “Not America.”
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by bbjones on Dec 20, 2011 1:01 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Check Reds.com
There is a video of Walt talking about the trade.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 19, 2011 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
people pronounce shit all the time
imagine if Yossi was the Reds mouthpiece
or any of us for that matter
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2011 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
the name engine
says it’s LAY-tose.
And they already updated the page to say he’s a Red!
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LAY-tos
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by Slyde on Dec 19, 2011 7:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
really?
What kind of name is it? I’d assumed it was Hispanic.
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good humor goes unappreciated here far too often
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I agree, those Strawberry Shortcake things are the shit

"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Dec 20, 2011 8:33 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
my first place in CT in West Hartford had an Ice Cream truck on my street everyday
loudest motherf’n PA with the annoying music ever, but damn if I didn’t buy something at least once a week after work
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
agreed, I love those things so much
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
the best part about frequently forgetting about them, though
is that you get to rediscover them again every time. Makes ’em that much better. Oh yeah.
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
I thought he was a PepsiCo product
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by Slyde on Dec 19, 2011 7:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, it's funny because it has a silly title on it that no one would have
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by Slyde on Dec 19, 2011 8:55 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
I rec'd that
because you parodied his business card joke by taking on the same role that he claims that he has on his business card.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Dec 19, 2011 9:13 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Time to apply for your boss' job at another company!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 19, 2011 9:15 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
I would actually pay money to see you get banned there
I’ll set the over/under at 6 words.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 19, 2011 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
How did this get green'd?
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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 19, 2011 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
3 people rec'd it
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Dec 19, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions 9 recs
fwiw, you did that to me the other day
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
just like this?
Captain Obvious..
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2011 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
the how to make 6 figures instructions?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
There is wisdom in those words!
There are a lot people that are good at interviewing and getting jobs, then once they are there they move on before their incompetence gets completely exposed.
@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Dec 19, 2011 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
smoke & mirrors
dog & pony
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2011 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
Also, I searched "Latos name origin"
And one of the top results was about Latios the Pokemon. Until someone proves otherwise, I’m assuming that Latos is related to it.
by sexsalad on Dec 19, 2011 7:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Surely there is a nickname in there somewhere.
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I think I like "God of War"

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by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Dec 21, 2011 9:03 AM EST up reply actions
I always thought it sounded Lithuanian when I'd hear it.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Dec 19, 2011 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
Somewhere in the old Polish-Lithuanian kingdom sounds about right.
My first thought was Latosz: something maybe Hungarian. Maybe his great great grandpa struck out Janish/Janiscz’s great great grandpa.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
That's in part my homeland, that bit of land that has been many countries and is now Lithuania.
I’ve never been, however, and I do not believe I am related to Mr. Latos.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Dec 19, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
bah
what do you, ’tHan, and BK know?
prove me wrong, and in the process I’m tryin’ to prove all y’all wrong
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2011 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
yup
I was wrong
see upthread
son of a bitch..
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2011 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know if it works for all consonants,
But if there’s just one “t” after the vowel, you go with long vowel sound, like Latos. If there’s two, you go with the short vowel, like Votto. It’s possible I’ve completely pulled this out of my butt.
pretty sure I went with how MLB: The Show pronounces his last name
however, I’m waiting for his wife to tweet me back to further confirm my wrongness
Even if you pulled that out of your ass, it’s plausible and would hold up on MythBusters
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2011 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
that's fine if they wanted to do that now..
well.. wait until March at the latest
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2011 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
housh-MAND-zuh-duh is laughing at your methodology
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
whatevs
I’m still taller than you
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2011 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
I could see how The Show might get it wrong
With Latino names, it would be LAH-tose, not LAY-tose. And with all the Latino players, someone probably just assumed he was another one.
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that 1 T in the first name would certainly give that impression
until I saw him pitch, I had no idea his skin color or assumed ethnicity
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2011 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
On MVP 2005
they pronounce Youkilis you-KEE-lees
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
by -ManBearPig on Dec 19, 2011 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
I think that works in regular English pretty well.
But names are too unpredictable in origin to follow any rules, I think. If it was Spanish, for example, it would definitely be “Lah-tos.”
by the finest muffins on Dec 20, 2011 1:02 AM EST up reply actions
I worked a game that he pitched last year
so I’ve had enough conversations about him to know the correct pronunciation. I am confident that it’s LAY-tose.
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I would suggest we ask his wife or dog on Twitter how to pronounce the name.
But I’m confident that we’ll still end up criticizing and/or disagreeing with her.
by FordhamRam on Dec 20, 2011 9:04 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
we should
and she would tell you it’s Lay-tose
and that there’s been confusion about it ever since she got married and her maiden name was much easier to pronounce
and you should also get his SD jersey number wrong as well
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
your sources are correct
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
Funny, when my brother texted me about the trade, my first question was "Wait, wha?"
My second was “Who’d we give up?” and my third was “So, is it Lay-tos or Lah-tos”?
by the finest muffins on Dec 20, 2011 1:04 AM EST up reply actions
You guys, I really don't want Cody Ross
But I want Ankiel and Ludwick even less. Is there no realistic choice for LF that doesn’t suck?
Only if they trade for Andrew Bailey (or make Dondo the closer)
and commit to either Janish or Frazier as the backup SS.
It’s less about affording him for this season, since I think he’d be worth $12 mill this year; it’s about the second and third year at that pay.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 19, 2011 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
Todd
Frazier.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 19, 2011 7:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He said realistic
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
learn to spell
there’s only one T in the first name, and only one T in the last name.
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Not worth the look
He’ll make something like $7 mil or so next year and I honestly do not think he’s any better than Heisey/Frazier.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 19, 2011 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
I thought he was a decent option at first glance
but some of the things I’ve heard from sox fans turned me off on him.
He's just a really, really bad defender
and he’s not a good enough hitter to compensate.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 19, 2011 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
4 WAR
Write it down
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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 19, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
Care to make a friendly wager?
I bet you 5 bucks he doesn’t produce 3 WAR this season. No, a thousand bucks!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 20, 2011 8:02 AM EST up reply actions
Andruw Jones!
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by Grahamophone on Dec 20, 2011 3:12 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
i must say, i hope latos is awesome & wins 4 straight cy young awards with the reds
but it does appear he’s a lock to be the player you can’t say anything bad about on RR this year.
So, what you're saying is that you and obc will hate him by April
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Dec 19, 2011 7:37 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
if i ever start to dislike him, i'll just remind myself that he's the reason volquez is gone
that should buy him good will for 4 years
by 'tHan on Dec 19, 2011 8:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I was very very wrong on Edison
You and Highlife, etc, were spot on.
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by obc2 on Dec 19, 2011 8:20 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
pretty sure I just came around to 'tHan line of thinking on that one
at Shimmers, or wherever the fuck I was buying Patron for minors
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
overserved
you guys are awesome
It’s a shame my shitty wife was too scared to meet you guys and claimed sickness
I was most lubricated @ Gordo’s I believe. Shimmers was definitely second.
After that, none of them really come close
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
obc is guaranteed to hate him, and blame him, once Arroyo loses his rotation spot
It feels so nice to be back to normal
while arroyo is in a reds uni I will root for him, for sure
Will you be coming to town for his Reds HOF enshrinement? I’ll buy ya at least three two hearted ales!
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by obc2 on Dec 19, 2011 8:00 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I'm quite sure I won't be, unfortunately.
But I’m still trying to figure a time to come watch some games this summer.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
I'd love to do a 2.0, now that I know y'all (probably) won't kill me.
We’ll have to see.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
of love credsfest to coincide with an edwinfest!
Edwin goes to NYC all the time.
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by obc2 on Dec 19, 2011 8:18 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Not you so much as Farndawg and jch
And actually, Slyde. He seems like the kind of guy with 8 people chopped up and frozen in his basement, and when he gets arrested everyone says “he seemed like such a normal guy!”
It feels so nice to be back to normal
He is a nice little fella, ain't he?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 19, 2011 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
He's awesome. I'm still not convinced he doesn't want to kill me.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
I think I'll only come to Cincinnati if I'm guaranteed BK and Farn are there
I need somebody to sit in the front row of the group picture with.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Awwwwwww
/musses your hair playfully
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 19, 2011 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
you can include me in the vertically challenged group
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
And chesirecat, Ash, andromache, and FordhamRam is close enough
We’re taking over, dammit
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
Maybe if you stood on each other's shoulders
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 19, 2011 10:08 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
goddamn chuck
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 19, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
Also, Mads isn't tall but probably was at one time
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
Normally I'm a pretty tall fella
Around the RR crew though, I’m always looking up at people. And it’s not just the Cincinnati area ones either. The North Carolinians are tall too.
by Brendanukkah on Dec 20, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
Were you taller than me?
I remember that NC fella being really tall
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
Gray is tall, chesirecat is not
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Dec 20, 2011 11:43 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
emphasize on little
he makes BK look like ’tHan
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
Which will be gone along with the rest of his body hair TONIGHT!
I’m absolutely giddy about documenting his hairlessness. Not sure what that says about me.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
(giggles like a school girl)
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
What did I ever do to make you think I'm dangerous to your health?
I’m the normalest person I know!
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
What are people from Normal, IL called?
“Normals”? “Norms”? I want it to be something that would fit in with an Omega Man universe.
by Brendanukkah on Dec 20, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
Is this a serious question?
Voley’s Stories of Terror™ were enough to scare me forever.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
Voley is a god damned liar, terrible at "Hide The Sausage"
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I know the killing not to be true
however being stalked? kinda flattering
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
I'm going to have to do the same.
Also, if anyone’s interested in coming out for the Rockies series at the end of July, hit me up!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 19, 2011 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
oh damn
a combo crolfer & ’credsfest?
Can Cincinnati handle such an event?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
you and 'creds should drive out together
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 19, 2011 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
This is an excellent idea
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
Now I'm fully convinced you want them dead
because that car would end up in the Susquehanna River.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 19, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
giving us all the way to Harrisburg, eh?
avatar bets?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2011 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
I figure
up until that point, you’d be too busy sucking each others dicks.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 19, 2011 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
Thank you Peter Stromare
I guess it is time to un-pimp ze auto
’creds has gotta pay for passage to OH somehow.. ass, grass, or cash..
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
what would prove interesting is when I break out the DVD player and toss it on the dash
and then we argue over what to watch (well, I’d listen to as I drive)
although, I’m sure we could pop in some DMB and enjoy the music, and I think we like other common music
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
I'm REALLY surprised you reacted by saying you were frightened
I figured you would insist on driving since you know a better route to take.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I'm sure HLM takes the second fastest route and insists it is better
It feels so nice to be back to normal
i want to make another glory hole joke
Contributing little more than than snark and wittiness to SBN since 2007.
a long december and there's reason to believe
maybe this joke will be better than the last
by 'tHan on Dec 20, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
/flag'd
for the counting crows reference
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
by ChiDa on Dec 20, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
what's wrong with the counting crows?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
well..
that would certainly give me more wardrobe versatility
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
so..
I may or may not have played piano accompanying someone singing Colorblind while @ tOSU..
I’m just puttin’ that out there
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
which way would you go?
me? depending on where you’re at in NYC, I’d need to get to 81, which means 78 makes the most sense probably, but again depending where you’re at, but regardless gotta get to 81 somehow..
then 81 to 76 which will turn into the PA pike, blah blah, then 70 to to like 470 I wanna say (depending on traffic) or stay on 70, then 270, 71 and boom
I mean that’s really the only way I know to go off the top of my head from NYC to Cincinnati
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
We take the Lincoln tunnel out, beeline down to 78,
then take that to Harrisburg, then get on the PA Turnpike (the worst hwy in America).
Leave that at New Stanton, go through the sliver of WV, then 70 across to Columbus and down.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
yeah, Lincoln is probably the best way to get to 78 which turns into 81 which turns into 76
good ’ol New Stanton..
so we’re goin’ the same way, and I know of no other 2nd fastest route
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
embrace it
you know you wanna be my road dogg
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
I would, actually
NYC ain’t really that far outta the way to OH
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2011 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
wow
really early into the season
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
Just the guy for the GABP Bandbox and low scoring offense..
“Last season he was frequently touched up early by the long ball and then would settle in and be lights out the rest of the way.”
Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
Mads
blow me
this isn’t a Volquez for Volquez swap
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2011 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
This kid is a good enough pitcher, HLMAN2...
Its just that he is only one piece of a pretty scattered puzzle that still is missing a full time 3B, LF and is relying on a untried SS and a CF who is below league average offensively. Not to mention a shaky bull pen and then top it off with a non-existent RF power source on your bench…
And if you don’t win in 2012 its good-by Joey Votto and no Yonder.
that’s all…Latos is a good acquisition but not the end all and the trade was lopsided in favor of the Padres.
Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
we gave up 2 players for 1 really
Alonso & Grandal, that’s it
We got rid of Volquez and his salary, and Boxberger is exactly the type of reliever prospect you toss in on a trade like this b/c you can.
Could we miss both Alonso & Grandal? Sure. I’m going to miss Grandal more, b/c I think he’ll be better than Mesoraco, and I think most of us assumed we were trading Yonder this offseason, and some scouts or other baseball people mentioned Grandal’s athleticism to eventually switch to 1B (which then means we also no longer needed Alonso).
We’ll figure out a post-Votto solution. I’m not worried about that. We’ll see Rolen and your boy END split some time @ 3B, and Frazier will get time all over the diamond. LF will continue to be what it is, and that’s fine. Cozart will be fine @ SS. Yes, Young Robert sucked something awful offensively last year, but he can’t get any worse, can he? I mean can he? We don’t need Bruce to be a power source IMO b/c we put up plenty of runs last year.
Our problem was starting pitching and we addressed that. I’m not worried about the bullpen and Walt will get us a closer now that Rumplestiltskin awoke from his nap (that was the fable, right?).
Certainly not a lopsided trade favoring the Padres by any means.
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2011 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
You mean Rip Van Winkle!
Rumpelstiltsken would definitely be on the Cardinals. He was the original whiny little bitch.
by the finest muffins on Dec 20, 2011 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, him
I knew it started with a R
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 1:20 AM EST up reply actions
I actually read that the other day for the first time since childhood
What a fucked up conception of justice.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 20, 2011 8:03 AM EST up reply actions
Bitching about it isn't going to bring Yonder back, man
And it’s obvious that we’re putting some uncertainty in the future at the 1B postition to win now, but you can’t be making the argument that this team is better off without Latos in 2012.
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
I don't know that he's making the 2012 argument
I think he’s making the 2013 argument
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2011 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
That's the creepiest picture of a bug I've ever seen.
It fucking looks angry, somehow.
Go Colts Dammit!
so, another year of bliss, eh?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2011 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
Why does this sound familiar?
“Last season he was frequently touched up early by the long ball and then would settle in and be lights out the rest of the way.”
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Dec 19, 2011 8:03 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Difference is
He hadn’t walked the bases full before he gave up the homer.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 19, 2011 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
Mads,
You’re gonna love the kid. Promise. He’s your kid of pitcher. Think Laynce Nix with a killer fastball.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 19, 2011 11:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't dislike him Pops...
Again I think that he’s a good #2 starter and fills a need fer sure.
There are a whole bunch of other holes to be filled – read my comment later in this post.
Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
Cool.
No problem. But, I’m only hollering one thing…..This is a good thing! A good trade for both teams. This kid, the asshole, make the Reds better, right now, not later, not some down the road thing. Now. LF is relatively easy to fill for a team that was 2nd in the league in runs last year with the same basic offense returning. Man, I’m the first to to contrarian, fake or otherwise, but this is an alright trade.
What’s your beef? Alonso?
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 19, 2011 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
Alonso.
He’s the real deal. Great eye, mature hitter, patient, hits to all fields and has great power.
If the Reds don’t win at least the division next year (‘12) Walt will have to move Votto – to get anything of value for him. This may have been the best time move Votto and go with alonso with a nice long term Jay Brucian contract. But it don’t matter now…
So lets take a moment for Lindsay…she got some press earlier but no pic..

Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
not her best
you can do better
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
Hey, I've always maintained
that Pops would have been a legit lindsay shelter before I got married. I would’ve shown her that 12 step programs were bullshit. We would’ve had fun.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 20, 2011 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know you
but I know this to be true
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
Today, the Giants signed
Emmanuel Burris and Brian Burres. No word if they plan to ink Scott Boras or Chuck Barris.
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Dec 19, 2011 8:07 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Or Plaxico Burress
Which reminds me of my favorite line this week from The League: “Don’t shoot yourself Plaxidentally.”
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by Slyde on Dec 19, 2011 8:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
tremendous line
sadly, this season of the league comes to an end thursday.
i was hoping ruxin would win
Glad to know Neckflix is catching on.
“I had a dream. I visualized it. And then I stole a bunch of ties from a church.”
Exceeeeepppt
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Dec 19, 2011 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
it does look like a double episode on Thursday though
Score!
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Aw man.
The Reds should’ve picked up Burris. They could’ve cornered the market on DC-born players!
by the finest muffins on Dec 20, 2011 1:10 AM EST up reply actions
Egypt to Florida, eh?
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
joey's "girl" is not happy with pizza hut!
thanks pizzahut, for putting cheese on my pizza, when I specifically ask you NOT to! #whatawaste #grosscheese
People who order their pizza without cheese are horrible
Joey picked himself a winner
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Dec 19, 2011 8:51 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
i see no cheese pizzas at least two or three times a day
Individuality: Always remember that you are unique. Just like everybody else.
by joshuar9476 on Dec 19, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
That isn't pizza. That's bread and sauce.
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
it's close to the original pizza, though
Pizza originally had no cheese, just tomato and olive oil.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
This is America
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Dec 19, 2011 10:55 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
maybe she's lactose-intolerant
Or is just watching her weight. You want her to get fat?
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I subscribe to Slyder's theory below
In which case she shouldn’t have the number of a pizza place in her phone
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
sound theory
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
I'm surprised she gets pizza from Pizza Hut
Maybe I’m a spoiled NYer, but eyewww. Pizza Hut?
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
This reminds me
My favorite pizza in Columbus opened a location in Mason. Westshore Pizza. So all youse Cincy folks should get yourself a slice.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 20, 2011 8:06 AM EST up reply actions
I'm skeptical that any pizza is worth a drive to Mason
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
by -ManBearPig on Dec 20, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Are you in Columbus
or Mason? Or somewhere else entirely?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 20, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah?
I live just off Riverside south of 161.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 20, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
I don't where that is
or how far away from anywhere else it is, but it’s a really good pizza.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 20, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
It's not that far from downtown.
But there is admittedly nothing to do there and no reason to go there.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
Maybe they'll deliver
You can meet them halfway in the Kmart parking lot!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 20, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Mason is like 30-40 minutes from downtown up 71
Kings Island is in Mason if you know where that is.
I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
the only things in Mason
Are The Beach Waterpark, Kings Island, Great Wolf Lodge, Lindner Tennis Center and Quatmans II
Buy RED: My Uncensored Life in Rock by Sammy Hagar, today
by obc2 on Dec 20, 2011 1:56 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
you put up the jch signal with that last landmark
he’s probably there right now
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
How slow do you drive? I make it from Alexandria, KY to Mason in 45 minutes 2-3 times a week
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I don't know, slow I guess
It’s a good 30 mins from downtown to Mason if there’s no traffic and you’re going around the speed limit
I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
speed limits are for squares....like pants
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
pants don't fit on squares
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
Mason is where King's Island is
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Aponte's? Fratelli's? (closish)
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
If I didn't know about Noce's, I say Fratelli's is worth the drive to West Chester
And I’m closer to Mason than West Chester. Ergo, if the pizza is good enough, then it’s worth the trip.
I hear ya on that one
I don’t know of any pizza I’ll really drive to get in Cincinnati at all
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
We just acquired a Romeo's Pizzeria in our area
It’s from Columbus. Kinda nice stuff, not sure how well it went up there, but was good enough that he built two stores down here.
... I still say it was a touchdown, got tammit.
I really really wish this had been a Dallas Latos post
so the inevitable Latos Intolerant joke could’ve been made in a correct context this time
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
'Merica son
spell it right
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
She called Joey
and he reminded her that she’s outkicked her coverage considerably and therefore can’t afford to be eating pizza.
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by Slyde on Dec 19, 2011 9:00 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Fangraphs has an article about cheap relievers
The Reds need someone to take over for Chappy in the pen, what about this guy?
Mike Gonzalez – 4.39 ERA, 3.37 SIERA in 2011
I’ve had an affinity for Mike Gonzalez ever since the Rays crushed his soul in his first two appearances as an Oriole. That said, despite his 4.39 ERA, Gonzalez was actually a useful pitcher in 2011. His strikeout and walk rates were excellent (22% strikeouts, 9% walks), and he was one of the better LOOGYs around. Just check out these splits:
Gonzalez vs. L: 28.0 IP / 24.6% K rate / 5.5% BB rate / 2.78 FIP
Gonzalez vs. R: 25.1 IP / 20.0% K rate / 12.5% BB rate / 5.59 FIP
The days of Mike Gonzalez the shutdown closer may be finished — if they ever existed — but he has a very bright future as a LOOGY with upside. If Gonzalez can learn to get his control down against righties, or if he goes to a pitcher-friendly park that will keep deep flyball in the park, he could definitely become a weapon against both hands once again.
For now, though, some wise team should scoop Gonzalez up and plan to use him as a LOOGY. He’s seen a bit of interest on the rumor mill, but not much; he’s another one that can probably be acquired for fairly cheap.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
I'd love to have him
but he’ll probably get something like $3-3.5 mil. It depends on just how much money the team has and how they want to best allocate it. I’m afraid an expensive LOOGY would be pretty far down the list.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 19, 2011 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
after realizing he made $6 mil last season, you are probably right. I guess FanGraphs has a different definition of cheap.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
Gaslamp Ball
has a quote from a local media guy saying Latos’ “idiotic antics” include spitting at reporters.
Well, this might make teh Fay appreciate BP more…
They also think there’s a good chance Alonso will be traded before spring training.
They do appreciate the pun potential in a name like “Yonder,” though, so there’s that. I’d hate to see that go to waste.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I'd hate to see him turn into a journeyman, traveling hither and yon.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Dec 19, 2011 9:47 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Could we get him back?
Wouldn’t that be an interesting plot twist?
by Cuetotally Amazing on Dec 19, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You should all be glad he was traded.
I’d have been making fast and loose with the Carole King “Way Over Yonder” references this season if Alonso was playing left field.
by the finest muffins on Dec 20, 2011 1:12 AM EST up reply actions
Some guy I've never heard of
is reporting that the Cards are in talks to sign CoCo Crisp. He says he’d be their starting CFer and leadoff hitter, and would move Jon Jay to RF.
Things are looking better and better!
It feels so nice to be back to normal
which FA would terrify you the most?
Beltran in that OF is unnverving. And I have this weird feeling of Fielder ending up in StL or Chicago.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Probably not
But we are talking about most terrifying. Actually, there’s not a lot left that I find objectionable. Maybe Raul Ibanez.
Derek has a point.

That’ll keep you up at night.
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
still no word on the Yu Darvish sweepstakes?
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Hornberger is reporting that the Fighters are going to accept the bid.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
but is it the Jays or the Rangers?
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
jeez
It’s 1pm in Sapporo now. Get on with it!
MLBTR says it looks like there will be an announcement in 10 minutes.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
It's totally legit, dude.
MLBTR is reporting it too.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
A Manny/Damon LF platoon!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 19, 2011 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
Only if they bring Doc. Brown comes with 'em.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Dec 19, 2011 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
Charlie Scrabbles favorite Jewish drink is...
DR BROWN’S!!!
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by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 19, 2011 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
Who's that?
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Dec 19, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
Very nice.
Have you had the Cel-ray? I once had a Pimm’s Cup with Dr. Brown’s Cel-Ray, it was truly incredible.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Dec 19, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, the Cel Ray is very refreshing
I usually get the creme soda or the black cherry.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 19, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
You can't find Cel Ray much anymore,
now that all the supermarkets are completely Goyish. Even Jungle Jim’s didn’t have it. Fred Kroger would be pissed!
by Cuetotally Amazing on Dec 19, 2011 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
I got one at Katz's the last time I was in NYC
and the corned beef. Oy vey, it was so delicious I almost plotzed.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 19, 2011 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
Go to Mile End next time you are in NY,
it’s in Boerum Hill. Modern/hipster deli, but absolutely the best restaurant in the world.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Dec 19, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
I've purchased it at Jungle Jims before. It's actually not in the Kosher/Israeli section.
You can also get it at Rascal’s Deli and Marx’s Bagels in Blue Ash.
Why is Japan waiting until so late to say something about Darvish?
Don’t they know it’s almost bed time here?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 19, 2011 10:25 PM EST reply actions
apparently
they don’t even know who the winning team is.
They know what the bid is, but not who made it.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
It's not them that's waiting, it's MLB
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
Hmm
Irregardless!! I’m tired of waiting.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 19, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
The Mat in the Lat
I know some new tricks, said the Mat in the Lat.
A lot of good tricks. I will show them to you.
Your mother will not mind at all if I do.
Tanzen!
by Verka Serduchka on Dec 19, 2011 10:35 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
Welcome back.
My fake racist and murder jokes lose some of their punch without a willing foil.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 19, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well,
Bush and Bin Laden did need each other to justify their own extremism.
I missed you too.
Tanzen!
by Verka Serduchka on Dec 19, 2011 10:43 PM EST reply actions
little rusty?
that’s what lindsay lohan calls her lady parts
by 'tHan on Dec 19, 2011 10:46 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I believe that to be completely untrue
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2011 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
I'd call you a liar
but there’s no fun in that.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 19, 2011 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
no fun in it
but certainly an accurate statement
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2011 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
Hey man,
take it up with socially organizing impoverished members of emerging nations. That is apparently a Reds blog niche.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 19, 2011 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
which Reds? pinko commies?
or were you talking about our 2 niche members?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2011 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
what, no tanks to block?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
Just plugging my ears, Holmes.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 20, 2011 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
In an insulting, 3rd world (emerging)
king of way.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 20, 2011 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
Fuck the typo.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 20, 2011 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
it's actually more amusing with the typo really
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
if you enjoy Sherlock
you should see the 2nd
better than I anticipated
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
I watched the first one with Rose! And we're gonna see the second, I think.
I don’t really remember what happened in the first though.
oh, so you "watched"
they dropped the ball on plot continuity from the 1st to the 2nd, and they really focused in detail on some odd parts, and some of the ancillary characters were just I dunno, but I really enjoyed the ending
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 1:23 AM EST up reply actions
I mean it might help a little
but honestly, aside from Professor Moriarty and the chick from Wedding Crashers, really not a lot of character carry over
it really could have been a stand alone movie
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
I mean
we know where we stand…
but there certainly is truth that I missed this whole place, a place that would not be the same without you Mr. Daniels.
Gotta have my Pops.
Tanzen!
by Verka Serduchka on Dec 20, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
you're not really supposed to..
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
dude..
it’s the same day, I’m way early by my standards
However, given the replies around this particular part of the thread, there is little value and perspective, aside from anything Pops brings to the table
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
Like the purposeful warping of value and perspective?
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 20, 2011 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
so you purposely warp value and perspective?
if so, I’m strangely ok with that
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
What's funny is that as far as baseball goes,
I’d wager that I’m closer to a scout’s eye than most here, if not all. I only get into my bloated sense of self-valued analysis when the time is right. I’m just havin’ fun the rest of the time.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 20, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
I enjoy your fun
but seriously, when can we get some more haberdashery tips?
I need to make a Goodwill run, which means I need to restock the wardrobe
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
that came out wrong..
donate shit to Goodwill, replace what I donated..
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
No, Goodwill can be a fine choice for wardrobe.
It’s about the man’s choices, not the source. Although, that is not true when it comes to dress shirts, suits and shoes, but other choices, you can do well there.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 20, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
I need new dress shirts, and dress pants
I need something definitely a step up from Kohls (no offense jch, the shirts just aren’t dry clean worthy and apparently I destroy them via regular laundry)
I’m fine in the suit department, and I picked up a very nice pair of Johnson & Murphy dress shoes probably 10 weeks ago so that I can rotate them with my other 3 pairs of black dress shoes (DSW specials folks, don’t knock it) so I don’t wear any of them out too quickly
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
First of all, what is your build?
The key is knowing your own body and how clothes look on it. Slim fit shirts are generally the best way to go if you’re buying Hugo Boss, for instance, because they flatter most non-obese body types. But some, like armani, have a classic fit shirt that work very well for everyone. Hence the expense. But it depends on you and your body and what types of suits you own and what your general look is supposed to be.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 20, 2011 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
6'1", between a 42L or 44L suit, sometimes athletic based on the maker and cut
shirt size is 16.5 × 35/36, which unfortunately doesn’t taper nicely, but most size Large shirts don’t have the neck nor the sleeve length I need, and I just feel like while XLs give me the neck and sleeve I need they just aren’t body flattering, although do stay tucked in b/c I’m torso long/tall
right now I’m tippin’ the scales around 205, and I’m certainly not in shape, could definitely use some toning but I’m not rockin’ a huge gut and I have no moobs (at least not that I’m aware)
I hate buying shirts, but need new ones something fierce
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 21, 2011 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
Flat chested
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
I see.
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by Pops Daniels on Dec 21, 2011 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
glad you're contributing so much to this part of the thread as well
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 21, 2011 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
What about shoulders,
do you have them? Or are they narrow? Mine are narrow, but muscular around the neck. Makes shirts tough.
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by Pops Daniels on Dec 21, 2011 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
whatever muscles are at the top of the back, back of the neck those are my most defined on the back
and then I have bony collarbones
I think I’m broad shouldered, but I could be completely wrong.. I just know I have a lot of meat on and around my shoulders, but in that between fat and muscle phase (oddly impressive and fascinating if you ask me)
I really need to get back in the gym, and soon
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 21, 2011 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
You'd know about your shoulders
as soon as you try on a suit jacket. If most jackets have a pinched indentation where the bridge meets the sleeve, then you have narrow shoulders. Most men do. I’ve gone to John Varvatos’ new line of suit jacket because it fits me. That’s the key to all of it. Fit.
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by Pops Daniels on Dec 21, 2011 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
no pinch when I Suit Up!
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 21, 2011 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
Then most slim-fit shirts should suit you just fine.
I’d say stay away from the Italians in that case. They tend to be a bit on the exaggerated side, which works for me personally, but you know that already. Just do the world a favor and stay the hell away from collars that button and two-tone collars.
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by Pops Daniels on Dec 21, 2011 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
No man ever looked good in something like
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by Pops Daniels on Dec 21, 2011 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
that's what I'm talkin' about
worst. look. ever.
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 21, 2011 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
not at all
that’s dress shirt douchebaggery at its finest
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 21, 2011 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I'm just foolin'
When I was in undergrad, there was a dude who wore those to a Civil War history class we had together. I heard he ended up working in local government. A real Leslie Knope type. Only, you know, not at all funny.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 21, 2011 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
those shirts are perfect for the government types
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 21, 2011 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
if you're referring to blue shirts with white collars, then I'm with you
I’ll have to look more into shirts, and maybe just invest in a couple, and just shop around for a more affordable dry cleaning place
appreciate the knowledge, as my next assignment in my IT Development Program has me in front of a lot of the direct reports to the CIO and the CIO himself and I just know my wardrobe needs to be crisp
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 21, 2011 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
Just remember, taste and fit
are two very different things. If you find a manufacturer that satisfies both, buy in quantity. Oh, and make sure your ties are no wider than your lapel. Oh, and this is important NO FUCKIN PLEATS on anything. I don’t car if the ironical crowd is bringing them back. You wouldn’t sport a mustache, would you, so stay the hell away from pleats.
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by Pops Daniels on Dec 21, 2011 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
failhorn on my part then
most of my pants have pleats
I’m doin’ it wrong..
however, I have ties covered very well, so I’m good there
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 21, 2011 12:56 AM EST up reply actions
I mentioned Hugo boss earlier
and those slim-fit shirts are great for adding shoulder and slimming but be wary of the collars. If you’re not wearing a modern, slim suit they can look a bit silly. And the collar varieties are quite specific for tie type and lapel type. Nordstrom’s in-house line of shirts is quite nice for a bit of a reduced price. But, with all fine clothing, you have to pay a premium for quality. Or, you could buy cheap and take it to a tailor who could custom fit you. It just depends on what you are willing to pay.
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by Pops Daniels on Dec 21, 2011 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
only one of my current suits is slim cut
I have a feeling I’ll be making a trip down to the outlets to take a peek soon. I did pick up a couple nice Chaps, Calvin Klein and Ralph Lauren shirts recently, but most of them were dry clean only which I didn’t realize when I purchased
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 21, 2011 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
Absolutely nothing wrong shopping at Goodwill.
One down side to DC is no good thrift stores.
by the finest muffins on Dec 21, 2011 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
It just takes time and a patient eye.
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by Pops Daniels on Dec 21, 2011 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
i'll pick up jeans, some leisure outerwear, and every now and then athletic wear there
and then also hit up Marshalls and TJ Maxx
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 21, 2011 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
Indeed, sir. Indeed.
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by Pops Daniels on Dec 20, 2011 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
probably feel like a scene out of Gran Torino
... I still say it was a touchdown, got tammit.
by supergrover on Dec 19, 2011 11:20 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
$51.7MM
Not that much more than the Sox bid for Dice-K.
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I disagree
Darvish will pay off both in quality of pitcher and marketing money
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
you think so?
i about 80% believe in the theory of marketing money for japanese players
but do you really think he’ll be better than wilson?
I'm not sure he will be in 2012
But he has the potential to be, while we pretty much know that Wilson’s a #3 starter on a good team best-case
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
Really?
I think you are underestimating Wilson. He’s only a #3 now because they have Weaver and Haren. He’s what I hope Latos can be.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 20, 2011 8:11 AM EST up reply actions
I hope Latos is better than Wilson
Not a real big believer in that guy going forward
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
I was speaking more to his performance over the last two years
Almost 430 innings, ~3.40 FIP, over 10 fWAR…I’ll take that every day of the week.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 20, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
I think they'll make a lot in the first year
After that, it will depend on how well he pitches. If he’s just average the novelty for Japanese fans and sponsors will wear off quickly, because they’ve seen that before. If he’s a CYA contender, they’ll broadcast his games over there and he’ll replace Ichiro as the icon.
Rock choke Jayhawk
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2011 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
Yep, 80-72
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
does your school screen packages?
if no, I will send a care package
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
someone at RLN
posted some notes on Walt’s MLB Radio interview today.
He thinks he’ll get a closer this week. There are a lot of closers looking for work, and he expects prices to drop.
Rolen is doing well, and Rolen playing well is key to the Reds’ season.
Deal with BP might not get done before spring training start, but he doesn’t think that will have any adverse effect on BP or his relationship with the Reds.
They are still planning to use Chapman as a starter. He will not start the year in Louisville. If spring training doesn’t go well, they will consider using him in the pen instead. (Sigh.)
Cueto will be the opening day starter.
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I really hope Chappy sticks as a starter
I am one of the few though that don’t think he has much to gain from Louisville, let him take his lumps here. If it’s bad enough send him back to the pen and try again the next year. If he sticks in the rotation protect his innings later in the year with the rotation depth. I think it can be done, though the Votto window might win out and keep all this from happening.
I think this probably means
he will be a reliever, and not a starter. And I’m bummed. He could have been another Verlander or Big Unit. Instead, he’s going to be Joba Chamberlain or Kyle Farnsworth.
But this was predicted, back when the Reds first signed Chapman. These days, teams don’t have the patience to develop fireballers (not least because it often takes awhile). They end up putting them in the pen and rushing them to the big leagues.
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Yeah, I lean towards this being code for "he's a reliever"
when was it that he got stretched out enough to go 5 innings?
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Even when he started in Cuba, he didn't go over 5 innings.
I’d love to have him as a Norm Charlton type, and then start him in the playoffs.
I think the numbers game also puts Chapman in Louisville assuming the other pitchers are healthy when the Reds break camp
Cueto, Latos, Cueto, and Arroyo are set for 1-4 in the rotation; that leaves one spot for Bailey, Wood and Chapman. Of all of those guys Bailey is the only one who can’t go to Louisville, and unless the Reds are willing to put Bailey in the bullpen, I think he will be the 5th starter.
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 20, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think Cueto can handle starting on one day's rest
And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head blown off
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Dec 20, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He's pretty good...
Maybe Uncle Walt is cloning him Multiplicity style. They get a little worse each time so maybe he could still be a #3 starter.
crashtestnipplechip citymoron
Maybe he's becoming a switch-pitcher.
by the finest muffins on Dec 21, 2011 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, like that guy in the Yanks organization?
Last I checked he was in AA me thinks.
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teach me to skim comments on Z
this comment doesn’t matter.
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 20, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
teach me to skim comments on Z
this comment doesn’t matter.
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 20, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
wanna give us that 1-4 again there champ?
put Bailey in the bullpen, sit him down and say “boy, you’re our new closer. go kick ass and take names”
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
Sigh, indeed.
I think back to the 1,000 comment threads of excitement the day Chapman was signed, and imagine that if we all knew then that he’d be given 3 months in AAA and 1 extra spring training to try and start, then he’d be stuck in the ‘pen forever, we wouldn’t have been quite so excited.
One thing I feel quite sure of is that if he starts 2011 in the Reds bullpen, he will never be a starter again.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
by nycredsfan on Dec 20, 2011 8:49 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Seriously
that is a very short sited decision. Chapman was an expensive investment, that pays off tremendously if he is a successful starter, and maybe breaks even if he is a great relief pitcher.
I just assumed he would go to Louisville, so he could actually learn how to pitch
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 20, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
I'll accept that there are probably some very real non-baseball related reasons Chapman shouldn't be in Louisville
But it still just sucks. Why were we excited for Walt to spend $30 million over 6 years on a good setup reliever?
It feels so nice to be back to normal
by non baseball related
do you mean Bob is saying, “I paid $30M for the guy I expect him to pitch at the big league level”?
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 20, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
No, I mean it's more likely that culturally and developmentally.
Like, he has a hard time dealing with the minor league life, and being in small southern towns, etc.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
lots of other non-American pitchers have to go through that
Johnny Cueto grew up in a small town in the Dominican, and seemed to handle spending his summers in places like Chattanooga pretty well.
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 20, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
Well, I'm not arguing the validity of it.
I’m just saying that they seem very concerned with this with him, and they obviously know a ton of stuff we don’t.
So, regardless, if he’s back in the pen this year, it’ll probably be permanent. And that sucks hard.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
Why can't he be a starter next year
Or what if he went on the DL and came back a starter. Either way he’s breaking with the club. And either way Yoss is going to change his avatar to carrot top.
crashtestnipplechip citymoron
I never agreed to any bet.
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you realize there's a paper trail on this site, right?
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
yes, and i checked and i never agreed to any bet.
prove me otherwise.
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ain't my job
I know I didn’t make a bet with you, however there’s some Carrot Top-ness goin’ around and people sayin’ you needs to be a changin’ yo avatar, so I assume someone will arrive shortly with proof that yous wrong, theys right
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
want to make an Avatar bet that I didn't make an Avatar bet
if I am wrong you can have my avatar after excalb8
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 20, 2011 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
how's about I don't give a shit?
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
then don't go sticking your ass in where it does not belong
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 20, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
He never had the pair to accept the bet, it's true.
But if it’s any consolation prize, he is wrong.
crashtestnipplechip citymoron
You sure?
I felt pretty strongly that putting him in the ’pen to start last year was a pretty bad idea too, and did not bode well for him ever becoming a starter.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
If you meant for this to be ironic, you win Hipster of the Year.
If you didn’t, well, #goodlord
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by nycredsfan on Dec 20, 2011 6:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I would have never pegged Yos to be a Hipster
thevole, you betcha
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
"One thing I feel quite sure of is that if he starts 2011 in the Reds bullpen, he will never be a starter again."
What does that mean then? Was it a quote from earlier? I’m honestly confused now.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
seriously..
I’m not quite used to this whole agreeing with you thing..
If I believe The Yos, and he starts 2012 in AAA as a starter, maybe my hopes and dreams of him in the Reds rotation won’t die. However, I want the Reds to have the best arms on their roster, so unfortunately that means Chapman in the pen.
You can’t really stretch him out that way to start, and certainly not during the season.
Hello rock, meet hard place.
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
I don't htink it is that hard of a decision
The Reds have a fine core for a bullpen in Masset, Ondrusek, Bray, Arredondo, and LeCure. If they can get Coco back in the fold or find another dependable veteran relief pitcher the bullpen will pretty much be complete. Would a replacement level relief pitcher really cost the Reds that many wins compared to Chapman?
If the bullpen were a giant mess and only had 1 or 2 steady stable pitchers like the 2006 and 2007 bullpens, I would feel differently. But while the current core is not composed of lights out pitchers it is made up of steady and trustworthy guys. Also if the bullpen surprises the Reds and is a gas can, it isn’t like they can’t call Chapman up out of need.
Chapman as a starter from 2013 until 2018 is more valuable than Chapman as a relief pitcher now.
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yeah..
what’s that phrase?
agree to disagree?
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
Have Walt or Dusty said anything...
about who’s in competition for the rotation? I mean, if they are planning to use Chapman as a starter, but are going to send him to the pen if he doesn’t break camp in the rotation, that has to mean they see one or more spots open to competition. Who do they see as in the rotation and who’s questionable?
Without a doubt, Latos and Cueto are in. Beyond that, it seems to me that Leake (too good), Arroyo (too much money), and Bailey (no options and not likely to succeed in the pen) all have to be in the rotation. I hope Chapman (and Wood) aren’t competing with Leake for the 5th spot. I hope they’re thinking that Arroyo’s spot is the one most in question, but I really doubt that.
Trying to pull off "having no money and talking to no one" as well as the Reds have.
Or
One or more of Wood/Bailey is a possible trade piece for Seth Smith or Andrew Bailey?
It feels so nice to be back to normal
the thought of trading Wood or Bailey is a bit troublesome
If Wood and Bailey are traded they are 2 injuries away from Tom Shearn being a member of their rotation.
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 20, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
especially with your boy now a Twin
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
I could see trading Bailey for Bailey, and then ending up with the Bailey you thought you had traded due to some clerical error
And then it will be a fun little story in those books all about the zaniness of baseball.
by Brendanukkah on Dec 20, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
And then Joseph Heller can write a book about it
And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head blown off
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Dec 20, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
I was thinking of Wood for Seth Smith
but that still doesn’t clear up a spot. I think it’s almost a given that Wood is in Louisville to start the season. I really don’t think it’s time to give up on Bailey yet. I also don’t understand why Chapman can’t start at AAA for a month or so.
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I assume there's no chance of this happening...
But I’d try to send Wood and Sappelt to Oakland for Bailey, sign Carlos Beltran for 2 years and $25 million (deferring money if necessary), and go pick out some good seats in Arizona and wait for the calendar to turn to February.
Trying to pull off "having no money and talking to no one" as well as the Reds have.
Leake should have a lock on the rotation, he was the Reds second best starter last year
I also have no problem guaranteeing Arroyo a rotation spot out of spring training, as he was a fine innings eating healthy starting pitcher from 2004 until 2010. But if he has an ERA over 5.5 on June 1st, I hope they bounce him.
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 20, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
Arroyo will only be a lock due to $$
I hope they Volquez him between now and ST to make room for other pitchers that can actually pitch
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder
if one or more of those guys will be traded. Not Cueto or Latos, of course. Not Arroyo, because he’s untradeable. But the others might be expendable.
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I don't really want any of them to be traded at this point.
You need a rotation that is about 7 or 8 deep in pitchers who can start at the major league level.
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 20, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
Eh. No teams have guys of Wood/Chapman/Bailey's calibre and age just sitting around waiting to get their shot.
And if they trade one, they still have 2 options in reserve, plus LeCure. Plus, Pedro Villareal is on the 40-man. I don’t really want him making starts, but he’s an emergency option.
Also, cheap journeyman can always be found mid-season to make spot starts for a while.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
I don't either
But there’s not enough room on the roster for all of them.
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A year ago they had LeCure and Maloney
LeCure has found a permanent home in the bullpen, and Maloney is a Twin now..
I would like to believe that if Arroyo picks up in 2012 where he left off in 2011 he will be out of the rotation. Also Cueto has yet to make it through a full season healthy, and Chapman is a giant question mark. Wood and Bailey will probably have plenty of opportunities to start, even if they don’t break camp with the rotation.
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 20, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
if they trade Leake they better get a helluva return.
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Walt's made something of a habit of being able to move "untradeable" contracts
I don’t expect Arroyo to be traded, but I’d trust Walt to be able to find a way.
And then give a bloated, paralyzing contract extension to whoever we picked up for Bronson.
by Brendanukkah on Dec 20, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
always the optomist.
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 20, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
BP!
But I really don’t think he’s going to be able to unload that contract. At least not this offseason. There’s just too much money left and too much recent suckage.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
If Arroyo puts together a decent 2012
i could see a team desperate for a bottom of the rotation innings eater taking on Arroyo.
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 20, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
but Arroyo is also a 5 and 10 player
and he seems to really like Cincinnati.
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 20, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
plus, all that deferred money becomes un-deferred
I think Arroyo’s contract is just about as untradeable as they come
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if he trades Arroyo..
that frees up room for Beltran
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
I don't see how we can reasonably expect Arroyo to be traded
no one is going to want Arroyo at 2 yrs/$28.5 mil. The deferred money is required to be paid up front if he’s traded. I doubt the Reds see a situation in which they’re gunna eat that much money
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
who knows?
stranger things could happen
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 22, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
Rolen...any takers on how many actual full games he'll play?
And also of those games how many will he be hurting or less than 90% healthy?
1. I’m going out on a limb and saying 80 games this year
2. And of those 80 he’ll be less than 90% healthy in at least 25 of them.
Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
Less than a 1/2 season..
I can sadly see that..
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2011 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
I'll play along
((162/3)-9), My estimated number of day games before 4:10 that he will not start = 45. With Cincinnati “explosive offense” we should have at least 30 blow out games. Let’s say one third of them will be day games he’s already not playing. 20 So he will not play 65 entire games by my estimation.
1. Wow, This seems high but barring a trip to the DL, he should equate to 97 games… I guess.
2. There will not be a game this year he will be 90% as healthy as he was in his ROY season. There is no indication that his back and other nagging issues he has will be less than 10 percent bothersome any day this year or next.
crashtestnipplechip citymoron
END is not the end all of 3bmen and certainly not the on field presence that Rolen has been.
here’s hoping that the young man can figure out the strike zone and learn to catch the baseball and throw it across the diamond. God knows he has real light-tower power.
Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
RLN is dreaming of Carlos Beltran
Of course he’s wicked expensive, but there’s not much interest in him, and they’re hoping the price will go down.
As for a closer…I have a feeling Walt’s going to end up re-signing Coco, but if not…what would it take to get Bailey? Frazier? Sappelt? Heisey?
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Always and forever
Hot.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 20, 2011 12:19 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
She wore the hell
out of a pair of jeans.
by Joe Nolan's Neckbeard on Dec 20, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
He made 17 million on average the last 7 years
You could imagine him in the 9-11 million range a year if you offer something like 4 years. But there’s no way he would sign a 1 year for less than 14 million.
crashtestnipplechip citymoron
2 years, $25 million
Make this happen, Walt!!!
Trying to pull off "having no money and talking to no one" as well as the Reds have.
...

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
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by -ManBearPig on Dec 20, 2011 12:23 AM EST reply actions 13 recs
I too, am glad
they made themselves assholes.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 20, 2011 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
I don't understand what that means
I realize the quote came from elsewhere… but I don’t get what “Tebowing the padres” means, I guess
... I still say it was a touchdown, got tammit.
RijoSabes described it as a "Koan"
which, after looking it up, sounded very accurate to me.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 20, 2011 8:15 AM EST up reply actions
Jim Bowden tweeted it in the midst of his verbal explosive diarrhea about the Latos trade
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
Which reminds me
If ever there was such a thing as karma or retribution, it’d be phenomenal to see Latos spit in Leatherpants’ face mid interview.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 20, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
If I was a GM
I’d let ESPN know that as long as that jackball is on their company payroll or representing their company in any capacity, they would not get any leaks or inside scoops from my organization. I would go out of my way to notify every other news source before them.
is this a legal and ethical way to operate a franchise?
Seems like blackmail!
Buy RED: My Uncensored Life in Rock by Sammy Hagar, today
by obc2 on Dec 20, 2011 1:59 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
every other news source already beats espn to every story
espn just claims the breaking news as their own & cites “sources”
This may well be the most awesome thing ever posted on RR
/infinite recs
And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head blown off
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Dec 20, 2011 8:23 AM EST up reply actions
Oh noes!
Will Urban Meyer still coach them next year or is he going to bail?
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
He may decide he wants to "spend more time with his family"
again
I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
tOSU
Soon to be the 2nd or 3rd best football team in the state!
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by obc2 on Dec 20, 2011 4:07 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
4th best...Mount Union is better
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
by ChiDa on Dec 20, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
isn't everyone who was involved with the scandal gone?
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Not Luke Fickle, or whatever his name is
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
Well, except for their president and AD.
Meyer has been insisting to recruits that nothing else was going to happen. It’s going to be interesting to see if he loses many/any, or if he lies his way out of this too.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
I bet he lies, it's the OSU way
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
ahem, the tOSU way..
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
D'oh!
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
obc will be along shortly to say something about Ohio A&M
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
I think it is stupid that they waited so long.
Ohio State will get to play in a bowl game this year, but will get the ban this year.
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by BigBabyBruce on Dec 20, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
5 years for tressel is ridiculous
they through him under the bus & are pretty much getting away with it
I don't think he cares.
They switched his “resigning” to a “retirement”. He is receiving a fat public pension now. Plus, he is working for an NFL team.
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by BigBabyBruce on Dec 20, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
he's the replay supervisor of a 1-13 team
not exactly the level of coaching a consistent national title contender
I think most RR'ers could be effective replay coordinators
Sweatervest done lost his mojo
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by obc2 on Dec 20, 2011 4:10 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Yossi?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Dec 20, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The whole handling of this has been bizarre.
First from the “I hope he doesn’t fire me comments” to the “it was all Tressel’s fault, we knew nothing about this jerk’s actions” to “a few games suspension is plenty of punishment, it’ll be a travesty if they add anything on” to lately telling recruits (clearly lying) that there would be no further sanctions.
Gordon Gee is best buddies with the main NCAA punishment guy. That’s the only explanation for why they got off relatively lightly after basically giving the NCAA the middle finger for the past 9 months.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
So, about burgers tomorrow night...
Since I found out yesterday that we’ve got to be in CO by January 9th, I suddenly got a shit ton busier than I had previously planned. Not sure I’ll be able to make it…
However, I’ll be up in Ft. Thomas on Friday visiting my cousins…anybody doing anything that night?
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 20, 2011 2:25 PM EST reply actions
Yeah, it's weak sauce I know.
I had to bump up Xmas w/my stepmom and dad to tomorrow night, and I also think I’ve got to cancel my NYE trip to Philly.
Endgame of this is awesome…the timing is rather terrible.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 20, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
Getting hammered with some guy from the internet that I've never met?
Sorry, you can’t sleep in my son’s bed though. Only one Red Reporter I’ve never met gets to do that.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Colin?
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by obc2 on Dec 20, 2011 3:17 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Vole, I believe.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 20, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
this is correct
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
Daedalus didn't sleep in JCH's son's bed that night.
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Where the sun don't ever shine?
She’d shiver the whole night through.
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by Slyde on Dec 20, 2011 9:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I know where your mom slept last night...
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
Nope, I had to crate her, she kept pissing in the floor
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by jch24 on Dec 20, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
whoa
this is getting into glory hole level of inappropriate personal attacks.
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What, you mean the line of comments you started by implying that I fucked Daedalus?
Yeah, I agree.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
everybody has sex
not everybody is a wild animal.
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Crate sex? Explain
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
that doesn't look comfortable
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
Bill Conlin
accused of diddling kids now too. This is one fucked up world.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
This is a damn epidemic.
The only good I can see out of all of this is that it’s bringing extra scrutiny to this godawful behavior, and thereby may make it harder to get away with in the future.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 20, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
4 is an epidemic?
The Penn state stuff makes me so angry. The rest of it, I haven’t followed enough for fear of ruining my own health…
but I still wouldn’t call 4 out of how ever many epidemic yet
... I still say it was a touchdown, got tammit.
It's not really an epidemic like I think you mean.
It’s just that one very high profile case has led to more being reported. This kind of behavior is much more common than we’d like to think, and has been for a long time.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
I said it early, and I'll say it often
This is going to go down like the Catholic church scandal. It’s going to get a lot worse before it gets better.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
It's one fucked up Commonwealth
But I’ll withhold judgment until something better than Deadspin confirms.
The denial
"Mr. Conlin is obviously floored by these accusations, which supposedly happened 40 years ago. He has engaged me to do everything possible to bring the true facts forward and to vindicate his name."
http://the20.nbcphiladelphia.com/post/14518956879/bill-conlin-retires-doesnt-resign-a-report
looks like one of his accusers is his niece.
yikes
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
This from another (alleged) victim's mother after her son ran home with allegations of an assault...
But she continued to allow her daughter Karen to spend time with Conlin’s younger son, Peter. “I thought he was just interested in boys,” she said of Conlin.
Um, mom? What the fuck is the matter with you?
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 20, 2011 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously. That excuse stopped being valid about 30 years ago.
Any parent who pleads ignorance on this kind of thing should be sterilized.
/justin’d
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by nycredsfan on Dec 20, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
don't you know
that child molesters are all gay?
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Ugh. For real
It’s a crime of opportunity. The gender of the child is less important than having access to the child.
I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
And the niece is apparently a prosecutor.
Not an easy source to discredit.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 20, 2011 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
This is going to become the new "Willis signs with the Phillies"
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Wait a minute
Willis did WHAT?!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 20, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
I'll do it!
I need somewhere to unleash a fantastic Latos intolerant joke!
You guys’ll love it!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 20, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
i mean as long as it means 'creds and I roadtrip, I'm good with that
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
HA
Royals just signed Yuni Betancourt to a 1 year deal. LOLDAYTON
In other news, I kinda like Fya’s idea that Denis Phipps is a darkhorse candidate for LF. Obviously not to start the season, and this is assuming we don’t trade for a Seth Smith or sign a Shitty McOverpriced, but the dude turned it on last year.
I am ignoring the fact that his BABIP was over .400 (and close to .500 in AAA). I just want him to be good in real life.
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
I found the Phipps idea intriguing.
He has been considered to be more of a glove first guy, right? It would be nice if he could keep it going next year, as that .924 OPS is pretty tasty.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
yeah, it really is
even if it’s closer to .824, that’d be spectacular. I am wary of his insane BABIP, though
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
His OPS this year was about 200 points higher than the previous year,
so the odds are very high that he will regress. But there’s always the irrational hope that he’s a late bloomer and something clicked for him last year.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
this coming from Mr. Black 3rd Leg?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
his defense is solid
He doesn’t have Stubby’s speed, but he’s got a great arm and good instincts. He can play CF – in fact, they moved Sappelt to LF when Phipps was promoted to Louisville.
His bat may be fool’s gold, but I’d like to see him get a chance.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Eh.
Even in his torrid 2011 his K, BB, and HR rates were largely unchanged from his career norms. He just had a few months where every single thing dropped in for him.
I want him nowhere near the big league roster until he repeats the performance for at least 4 more months.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
it's strange how few HR's he hits for a guy his size
he’s listed at 6’3" 215
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
The other thing is, he's 26 years old.
It’s silly to me that Fay dismisses Frazier (who is 6 months younger) as an option but thinks Phipps would be a good choice.
How many 26 year olds have 4 good months in the minors and then turn into productive major leaguers?
It feels so nice to be back to normal
Ryan Ludwick is the only one I can think of.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 20, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
He was pretty good throughout his minors career
It just took him a long time to find a steady big league job.
Phipps has sucked hard up until the second half of 2011.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
Fair enough.
Phipps, on a purely superficial level, reminds me of D.T. Cromer, Roberto Petagine, and Danny Dorn. Obviously, those guys were first baseman, but still.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 20, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
I thought Dorn was a terrible defensive outfielder?
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Yonder can bat.
Dorn has been DFA’d like a kabillion times for a reason.
crashtestnipplechip citymoron
I don't think Dorn has ever been DFA'd
He’s never even been on the roster.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
He's been left unprotected in the Rule 5 draft, maybe that's what he meant
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
I wasn't comparing them offensively.
Pops called Dorn a 1B, Justin called him a “terrible defensive outfielder” and, well, there’s a parall….oh, nevermind.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
Check out Petagine's numbers in '97
and then ’98 when the Reds had him. Just awesome. Then click over to the ML stats. I always temper myself when discussing guys of his ilk really helping the ML team.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 20, 2011 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously guys,
check that shit out. That makes a serious case for scouting right there.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 20, 2011 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not following
Isn’t the whole point about Petagine is that he never got a shot? I see he hit a ton in the upper minors from ‘94 through ’98, but only got cups of coffee in the big leagues during that time. He got his biggest opportunity with the Reds in ’98, and did pretty well (128 OPS+ in 34 games). Then I gather he got tired of getting jerked around and went to Japan. But it’s not like he was given a fair opportunity but failed miserably in the major leagues.
With those numbers,
why do you think he never got a shot?
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 21, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
I get that, but his record doesn't vindicate the scouts
Petagine shows that scouts can torpedo a player’s career even if he’s hit everywhere he’s played. But that’s not a point in their favor. Maybe it would be if he’d fallen on his face for the one team that defied the scouting consensus, but that never happened.
A different example is Jack Cust, who the scouts doubted as he raked for years in the upper minors. When Oakland finally gave him a chance (at 28), he responded pretty well (126 OPS+ in four years). And he might’ve been better if he’d been given a real chance to face major league pitching in his mid-20s.
Maloney'd
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
I have only heard of one of those players, and thus shall take your word for it.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
there's a name I had forgotten..
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
I assume it's Dorn you know.
The other two, particularly Petagine, put up great, great numbers in AAA. So much so that a free Roberto Petagine movement started years ago when he ended up in Boston’s system, I believe. But they all turned out to be AAAA guys.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 20, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
Dorn was the throw in.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 20, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
Phipps?! Fuck!
He’s the second coming of Darnell McFlurry!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 21, 2011 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
hmmm
MLBTR says the Red Sox are after Coco.
I do think a closer is important, but Coco will be too expensive. Especially if the Sox are in on the bidding. I’d like to see the Reds try to find someone in-house, and maybe spend the money on a LFer.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Beltran in a good way
Coco in a what-for? kind of way
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
teh Fay
is predicting Heisey for LF, and a bargain basement free agent veteran for 4th OFer.
That makes no sense to me. If Heisey is the LFer, they’ll need a backup CFer. Any bargain basement veteran they’re likely to get will probably be too old to play CF.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I think if Andruw is signed
He’ll be the starter, not the 4th OFer.
Teh Fay thinks Sap and Frazier were not impressive in their brief callups. He likes Phipps.
A wild card in the mix is Denis Phipps. Phipps is a five-tool player. He did not hit for average until this year when he hit a combined .346/.397/.527 at Louisville and Carolina. His numbers actually got better after his promotion. He followed the season by hitting .297/.403/.436 in the Dominican Winter League.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Dennis Phipps isn't for real
I hate to have to tell you BF (I don’t hate so much disparaging Fay and his ilk).
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
As beat writers go, Fay isn't bad
I’ll take Fay over Hal, who baseball left behind 20 years ago.
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Pat the Bat has not aged gracefully.
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It would be the height of comedy to see Gomes back
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Johnny Damon wouldn't upset me.
He can still hit a bit, and provide vp.
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What about Reed Johnson?
He had a pretty decent year last year, and could probably be had for a cheap one year deal.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
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I know it's the reality we're in, and it's fine,
but I’m kinda sad that the rest of the offseason is probably going to be spent discussing various shitty options for 4th OF and backup SS.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
certainly a decision..
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
I'll take neither
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
Fay blows Jim Day for his 'insider info'
Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
by Madville on Dec 20, 2011 11:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
let's stop mentioning that name around these parts
I mean the Juan Pierre joke was funny, we had a lot of laughs, but I fear Andruw Jones might happen..
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
What's wrong with Andruw Jones?
He’s been pretty darn good as a part-time player the past few years. He had a rough few years there, but I think he’s found his second life.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 20, 2011 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
part-time player
there’s the rub..
He’d be the 2012 J. Gomes b/c Mads’ favorite Reds’ Manager would give Mr. Jones (and me) too much playing time and and I have a feeling we all know how that would turn out..
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
He's averaged a 121 OPS+ the last two years
we’ve seen worse, Heisey included.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
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tally
that’s two counting crows references and, if my sources are correct, three spongebob references in this thread
... I still say it was a touchdown, got tammit.
spongebob doesn't count
but I’ll make the most of every counting crows reference opportunity I can
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 22, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
He an old retread. We just don't need another 'near has been' in LF or another 'never quite was' either
Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
it's not like we can afford Carlos Beltran
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
we can certainly try and find ways
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 22, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
that was my thought as well
Arredondo seems like the obvious choice, if he’s got his command back.
There’s also Ondrusek, and maybe LeCure (who seems to have the temperament to be a closer, at least).
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Why can't Bailey close?
He’s got a live arm and stupid tattoos. Then you can pen in Chapman in the 5th spot and use a Lecure and Willis as mop up guy.
crashtestnipplechip citymoron
Willis signed with Philly
according to MLBTR
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
by UncleWeez on Dec 20, 2011 5:55 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Dontrelle signed with the Phillies
Dontrelle signed with the Phillies
Dontrelle signed with the Phillies
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
And, it's not like closers are pressed into action without knowing when they'll pitch.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
I could see Bailey getting really pissed off about sitting in the bullpen for some reason.
crashtestnipplechip citymoron
Exactly.
This is the dumbest thing about this argument. (I don’t want Bailey to be the closer, but this particular argument is stupid)
Dusty pretty much never brings his closer in until the beginning of the 9th inning. Homer can figure out when he needs to start warming up accordingly.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
I agree.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 20, 2011 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
Especially because
Dusty’s use of a closer is not typically in high-leverage situations. He likes ’em in there with no outs in the 9th with a lead.
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by Pops Daniels on Dec 20, 2011 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
I'm cool with that...
But someone has to come out of the rotation and enter the bullpen.
crashtestnipplechip citymoron
why?
typically long men don’t have stuff like Bailey’s
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
so he is stretched out when the first starter has to exit to rotation due to injury or ineffectiveness.
Even if the Reds break camp with a rotation of Cueto, Latos, Leake, Arroyo, and Chapman; if Bailey and Wood are in the organization and healthy, it is highly unlikely they won’t see a significant number of starts.
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 20, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
why do they needs to stretch out Bailey?
this makes no damn sense
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
so he can start when Cueto, Leake, Latos, Arroyo, or Cueto can't.
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 20, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
double Cueto again..
#godlord..
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
That's racist and/or
alphabeticalist.
by the finest muffins on Dec 21, 2011 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
alphabeticalist?
the double Cueto happened twice by The Yos in this thread
definitely #godlord worthy
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 21, 2011 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, definitely good lord.
He’s confused the two pitchers whose names start with “C” twice now. Totally alphabeticalist.
by the finest muffins on Dec 21, 2011 12:50 AM EST up reply actions
well, look at the author
I’m still trying to figure out his first language
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 21, 2011 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
I wish I had some Bailey's.
/irishcreme’d
"Red Reporter - An elitist clique full of like-minded douchebags." - BK
Well not really
Cueto, Leake, Latos, and Arroyo have dead locks on the rotation, and I guess Chapman has the inside track for the 5th spot.
I don’t see the Reds trading Leaking, and I don’t see them being able to trade Arroyo. That kinda makes Bailey the odd man out, unless they can get a deal for him.
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I predict one of Wood/Bailey is traded before opening day
/ashnarronlovechild
It feels so nice to be back to normal
My fear is that, yet again,
Chapman does not get the chance to be the ace he can be and rots in the pen.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 20, 2011 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
You and me both, brother.
I still find it baffling that they will have given him 3 months in AAA, and 2 spring trainings, to develop as a starter.
It’s almost like they wanted him to fail.
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Yeah,
their handling of him. in a purely baseball sense, has been a failure so far IMO.
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by Pops Daniels on Dec 20, 2011 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
It is just $30M that could be pissed away on the hardest throwing set up man in baseball!
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not if when he pitches 5 out of 7 days his fastball turns to mush
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He won't be this year.
And if they sign or trade for a guy for multiple seasons, he won’t be next year either.
That’s one expensive set up man.
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What happened in 2010 was understandable if not ideal
Contending caught them off-guard, and it was too tempting not to call him up as the lefty fireman. And he did a helluva job in some high-leverage situations.
They should have stuck him back in the L’ville rotation after that, but it wasn’t surprising that they tried to reprise his same role.
I also have this fear
and as ‘creds stated, if 2012 is another pen year for Chapman, he’ll never start for the Reds
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
eh
I don’t think thats necessarily true. I really hope he ends up in the rotation next year though, and would be impressed if the Reds gave him some AAA time if there isn’t a spot.
why wouldn't there be a spot?
seems like at least 1, maybe 2 spots are up for grabs in the rotation, so why not Chapman?
if he ain’t cuttin’ it at the beginning of the year, then send him down
That’s how I’d do it, and I know people won’t agree with me, but show the vote of confidence in the kid, show the fans that they aren’t blowing smoke up our ass
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
Why no Chapman indeed
I would give him the inside track to the 5th job without saying it if I were the Reds. I’d like them to give him the 5 spot and stick with him through some of the hard times. I don’t think he has much left to learn in AAA, if we want him a starter in the bigs thats where I think he should be starting.
Which is why Robert Stephenson should open the year as the 5th starter!
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 20, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
now you're just trolling
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
i am just being sarcastic
and taking the idea about on the job learning to its logical end.
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 20, 2011 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
Bailey would be easier to trade, since he is out of options
who could the Reds get for Bailey, that fits in their budget and helps them now?
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I am okay if we trade Bailey for a outfield bat
i will be kinda pissed if he gets traded for a closer.
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why?
we need a closer
pitcher for pitcher ain’t a bad swap
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
Who plays in LF against LHP
if the Reds get Smith?
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
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With no platoon Dusty?
Seth Smith.
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by Pops Daniels on Dec 20, 2011 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
This "Heisey can't hit LHP" thing is dumb.
He hit them just fine in the minors, and he’s had exactly 166 MLB PAs against them. Also, his BABIP against lefties is .232.
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Agree completely...
His sample size against lefties isn’t enough to assume his platoon splits are any different than every other RH hitter.
Trying to pull off "having no money and talking to no one" as well as the Reds have.
that would certainly address the LF situation
and Heisey is then the 4th OF which seems to be what everyone thinks of him
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
Check the wiki.
Which, of course hasn’t been updated since Limp Bizkit was popular. Hell, I don’t even merit mention.
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by Pops Daniels on Dec 20, 2011 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
Was Slyde the one to stop the wiki?
This might be a good re-election point for Casey
crashtestnipplechip citymoron
not even a plurality
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
so you say Chapman has the inside track, yet he's gonna start the season in AAA..
which is it?
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
some of these I wrote before I saw that Walt had said Chapman will break camp with the Reds regardless of what happens.
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 20, 2011 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
This can't be right...
If Bailey is the odd man out, he’s got to go to the pen or be traded. Without options, there’s no way he gets sent down.
Trying to pull off "having no money and talking to no one" as well as the Reds have.
Bailey is not the odd man out
it has to be Chapman, unless Walt does the moronic and puts Leake in AAA. Those are the only two options unless an injury or trade happens.
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Another of the ridiculous tags this team seems to put on players
they hear these things once and immediately take them as some sort of fact about the player. I highly doubt Bailey couldn’t learn to warm up more quickly if he were to end up in the pen.
He has had a couple of shoulder issues though
I wouldn’t be surprised if it takes him a while to get ready.
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Good point
There’s a lot of internal stuff we don’t really have a grasp on.
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give him a routine to go through every day he might be used
then another routine to get him ready to come in and pitch. I think most relievers have something like this anyway. I just find it crazy to think that he couldn’t figure out how to warm up quickly if he needed to.
don't forget that groin thing he had a couple years back
which I think was still a bunch of bullshit
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
FWIW
I’ve talked about using Bailey in relief the various announcers. They’ve all basically said the same thing. One thing was that Bailey is locked into his routine obsessively, to the point that he works out and then changes clothes, listens to music, and then changes into his uniform all in the same timing on days he pitches.
So, it may not just be that it takes forever to get loose as they don’t believe that he’s mentally capable of preparing himself without a strict routine.
(Reading back, I’m sure I’ve missed some details, but the concern seemed more legit to me when discussing it. Like maybe Bailey’s a little too OCD for the bullpen)
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Hmmmm
That’s fucking interesting, man.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 20, 2011 9:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
To me
it sounds more reasonable than, “Doesn’t get loose easily.” However, all of these things are filtered through the storytellers, so who knows what is true and what is what people wanted to hear (myself included).
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thanks for the insider info, Slyde!
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Yeah I think the getting loose easily thing was more fabricated from all of this by the media
I never doubted it had more to do with him liking an extensive routine prior to pitching, and I think he could tone it down if he wanted to.
I can get you a toe this afternoon
by 3 o’clock
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I would imagine the move to the pen would need his blessing in some capacity
I still don’t think it crazy to think he could figure out a routine for the bullpen if he wanted to.
or perhaps, he could develop a different routine
one that works for pitching out of the bullpen and helping the team
yes please
or maybe Lurch
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
Slyde convinced me that we should find a way to afford Beltran
even if that means bye bye BP
more realistically it should be bye bye Arroyo some how and use that money for Beltran
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
the Arroyo extension..
the gift that keeps on giving..
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
That's what she said
Respect my authoritah!
by BigBadBruce on Dec 20, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
really?
Slyde thinks Beltran is worth getting rid of BP?
Who would play 2B? Valaika?
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pretty much
Slyde needs to replace Bavasi
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
if you don't know, I ain't tellin'..
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
what type of wine goes best with that?
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by obc2 on Dec 20, 2011 6:09 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
whatever tastes best drank thru a sock in your mouth
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 10:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The android SBN app came out
It’s a worse version of the iOS app, of course.
And the comment layout is gross looking.
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by Ram27 on Dec 20, 2011 6:17 PM EST via Android app reply actions
you know what would be really interesting
the post season without off days (unless you clinch in less than the maximum number of games)
The potential for playing baseball 19 straight days would really test the depth of the best teams.
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That would be bad for the Reds
We will never have 5 good starting pitchers. Maybe 3, maybe 2, probably 1.
crashtestnipplechip citymoron
how many teams do
I think I remember Slyde writing that the average 5th starter has an ERA+ in the high 60s or something like that.
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what's everyone drinking tonight?
i got a stone ruination ipa & it’s pretty delicious.
almost game time!
An excellent Chablis
followed by a killer Châteauneuf-du-Pape with dinner.
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by Pops Daniels on Dec 20, 2011 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
I'm very impressed
both that you are drinking a C-d-P, and also that you got the little thingy over the A.
Love me a good Rhone valley wine.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
Are you a Gigondas fan?
You could save yourself a couple of bucks with that route. Or a Vacqueras.
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by Pops Daniels on Dec 20, 2011 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
There are some excellent Languedoc wines that are the same grapes
as Rhone wines but are more reasonably priced.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
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both excellent choices
and pleasing to the wallet and not too shabby on the pallete
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
Aller Sucer mes boules
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by Pops Daniels on Dec 20, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
You finna bleu somethin'
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by Pops Daniels on Dec 21, 2011 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
do you prefer very spicy and or subtly bold Rhones?
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
subtly bold
If I want very spicy/big, I go with Zin, or maybe a big Shiraz
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Shiraz / Syrah, pass
how do you feel about old vine Zins?
so you’re probably more of a Northern Rhone region kinda guy? I find those to be more sneaky bold than just spice spice spice
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
waaaaaaaaaaaaay more Grenache typically
and French Syrah (this is a good thing) isn’t like Syrah around the rest of the World (which suck balls IMO), and Australia can fucking keep their Shiraz
Just like it cracks me up when people call a Burgandy a PInot Noir. Sure, they have some similarities, but Burgandies actually have character and variety whereas aside from your Pacific Northwest Pinot Noir you can’t tell the difference between hardly any of them (for the most part)
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
No, that's true.
But I happen to like most straight Syrah/Shiraz wines.
But Zins are the best.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
as opposed to gay or bi-curious Syrah/Shiraz wines?
but back to Zins..
old vines? regular? unleaded?
what labels do you drink?
we can drink wine during our travels to OH
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
are you guys road compatable
do both you insist on driving?
Do you like to stop a lot?
Do you like to eat cheap fast food or try local restaurants?
Do you believe you should pay half if the other gets a speeding ticket?
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 20, 2011 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
I like to drive, but am happy not to
Stop as little as possible
Cheap fast food, for minimal time spent
Sure, why not. I go fast, I’d expect him to as well.
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I see compatibility
looks like investing in a radar detector might be an idea, however I’ve found that on the PA Pike it’s just a waste of money as people don’t know how the fuck to get out of the left lane for faster moving traffic..
Hell, based on these answers, we could probably make it from NYC to Cincy in under 10
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
When I drove there for 'Credsfest last year, by myself,
I made it in 10 flat. I was very proud of myself.
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on the 28th I'm heading to Cleveland first to visit my Grandfather before I descend upon Cincy
it’s like 550 miles..
I’ve done that in 7.5..
January of 2008, coming back from Cincinnati to CT, it’s around 750 miles.. did that in just under 10.5..
Haulin’ Ass
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
and 10 flat, very nice Speed Racer
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, it was awesome
650 miles, 1 stop (for the dog to pee), 10 hours.
Also, only 1.5 tanks of gas in the Mini.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
averaging 65 mph?
granted, with a pee stop..
What happened to I don’t go under 80?
When I’m on the open road, I try to average at least 70 during the trip, I find I get the best gas mileage around that
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
This included 1 half-hour stop,
and that also included getting through, and out of, Manhattan.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
thus explaining the 65 average speed
that Mach 5 be movin’
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 21, 2011 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
On roadtrips I typically drive
however it’s like 10 hours, so we can rotate
Pretty sure if I fill up when I pick up ‘creds, we’ll only have to stop to fill up once along the way, and that’s when I’d pee, but if we get hungry along the way that’s fine too..
If this is a point A to point B trip and there’s something with easy on / off access to our route, I’ll try the local fare.. if not, stick with what I know
Set the cruise no higher than 75, we’ll be fine
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
alright..
you’re drivin, I’m pickin’ out the movies and pourin’ the wine
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
so basically you're telling me I'm holding the juggs?
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
Totally. We'll keep a few open bottles in the car at all times. That'll end well
I assume newer vines, since I love Cali Zins.
Not sure on specific labels.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
save your labels
that way when you drink something you really like you know exactly what to get the next time
do you take any tasting notes?
I mean, this is around a 10 hour drive, so I’m think probably 6 bottles will take care of the trip
We could even go wild and do a wine flight, the possibilities are endless
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
Well, our wine guy is incredible, and he's a good friend
He pretty much knows everything, knows what we’ll like, and suggests accordingly.
Plus, good Zins tend to be expensive so we don’t drink them very often.
But there are quite a few wines that we have often that I know by name. Like the Cuvee de Pena, which I realized we have an empty bottle of in the apartment right now.
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I actually took sommelier classes / training back around 2001
so I’m a little rusty and haven’t kept up as much as I’ve liked, but I still love it and have a passion for it
I’m that guy that buys the latest Parker Bible as soon as it comes out, have a Wine Spectator subscription, and a Wine Advocate subscription.
Also have a small collection, including an 11 year merlot vertical (and some other stuff, almost 35 bottles in total right now)
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
Nice.
Mrs. Creds worked at a 3 star restaurant here for a couple years while she was doing the performing thing, and they had a wine list with 4000(!) bottles, so she learned a lot there.
I mostly listen to what she says and agree.
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one of my good buddies, his dad used to be the CFO of P&G
he collects a lil bit..
last time I checked, 20K bottles, and not stoppin..
that’s between their Indian Hill house, their place out in Mendicino County, CA, and I think it’s Longboat Key or either Siesta Key just outside Sarasota
I helped them do inventory when they bought the CA place back around maybe 2004, and he only had maybe 16-17K then, and he paid me in wine.. fucking glorious
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
I love watching romance bloom
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
first stop we're makin' when we arrive in Cincy is your house, puddin'
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 22, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Château de Pena
Cuvee de Pena Vin de Pays Rouge is a kick ass $10 bottle of wine. Try it out.
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by Pops Daniels on Dec 20, 2011 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
I like the ones that taste like dirt and leather
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labels/makers please?
I do love me a good CdP, and a properly chilled Chablis doesn’t suck like most headache inducing pisspoor oaky white wines.. in fact, they can be quite creamy and delicious..
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
'95 E. GUIGAL CDP,
which is astounding for a big producer. DOMAINE SERVIN LES PARGUES CHABLIS 2009, also outstanding. Perfect for light game and cheeses.
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by Pops Daniels on Dec 20, 2011 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
I know that wine.
That’s a pretty pricy libation there, Mr. Moneybags
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Not if you're friends with wine reps.
It’s still costly, but not insane.
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by Pops Daniels on Dec 20, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
but not a pungent chese
b/c that would overpower the wine completely
probably a nice smoked gouda, or perhaps a creamy havarti
I’m very familiar with Guigal. 95 wasn’t a bad vintage year for the Southern Rhone region, around 90 as a whole I believe.
Recently their best I think have been 2007, 2005 was beyond amazing but still not quite ready to drink, 2004 and 2003, 2001, 2000, 1999, and 1998 is as outstanding as 2005.
The Chablis would also pair nicely unconventionally with oysters, steamers, lobster, veal, lamb and corned beef.
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
Not the veal.
Too much flavor in the meat. And, yes, with oysters the shit is the bomb but, admittedly the Chablis can overpower the less briny ones.
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by Pops Daniels on Dec 20, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
like I said, unconventionally
about 18 months ago I was at a networking event and they had this sorta Greek-ish veal dish with a couscous and haricot vert and they served Chablis and a Meritage (forget the label). I tried both, b/c I was curious, and the other dinner options were some vegetarian pasta thing (no thanks), and then some kinda flaky whitefish that I don’t remember the name (again, I’ll pass).
The Chablis worked. Crisp, nothing lingered, all the flavor was upfront and actually complimented the veal.
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
I'm drinking a concoction of mint tea, Fernet Branca and bitters
to try and get rid of the stomach ache I have.
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good ruck
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by -ManBearPig on Dec 20, 2011 6:59 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Break that Jager back out
Seriously.
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by BK on Dec 20, 2011 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
The senoritas don't care-o if there's no dinero.
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by ZJiff30 on Dec 20, 2011 11:25 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
all drank up this weekend
I’m good for the next 8 years, I think.
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I still haven't found an IPA that tops stone ruination
I wouldn’t doubt one exists, just that I haven’t found it
I like Dogfish Head 90 Minute
but Stone’s IPAs are delicious too. I’m gunna go to the brewery soon!
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
i've got a 90 minute in the refrigerator
may or may not drink it tonight.
i like the stone better because it’s not as spiced
I respect that opinion
even though the 90 minute is more delcious
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
that's my go to IPA now
yes, I like IPAs now, my work Mentor got me on the IPA train.. damn her
I’m currently on a mission to procure some 120 minute between now and next Wed..
that’ll be my present to myself
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
120 is intense
It’s hardly even a beer anymore. It’s stronger than wine.
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
I have one in my basement right now.
I tasted a fresh one a couple years ago, and liked it more than I thought I would. Beers that strong are just too damn sweet.
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I didn't care for the 120
I remember liking the 60. Can’t remember what I thought of the 90, thats one I need to try again. I would try the 120 again too, but it’s further down my list.
yeah, I wasn't a huge fan
but the 90 minute is fuckin great
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
I will have plenty of 90 minute tonight on tap
have a DD lined up, and methinks I will take tomorrow off
there’s a good chance some of you will get some drunk texts, I might do some drunk tweeting, and depending on if I can remember the password to my computer some drunk RR’n
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 22, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
it's just so delicious
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 22, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
I've had it before
but hopefully if I do find some in the next few days I will give a full report
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 22, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
drinking any beer after Ruination is going to taste goofy
it’s over 100 IBU’s and called Ruination because it ruins your palate
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yep
should have looked more closely at the 2nd beer.
i went solely by its name. it should have been a million times hoppier than it is
I've never been a big Thirsty Dog fan
as far as N. Ohio goes, Great Lakes, Brew Kettle and Hoppin’ Frog are better
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the bartender at gordo's assured me thirsty dog was better than great lakes
i didn’t believe he would be accurate, but i’ve been trying to test his theory
he claimed the old brewmaster from great lakes left to start thirsty dog & took the good recipes with him
If anything, Thirsty Dog makes good dark beers
never had anything hoppy or light that I liked from them.
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also, i almost got a hoppin' frog ipa today
but party source didn’t have a 12 oz bottle & i didn’t want to buy bigger
this is true
appropriately named
anyone had Loose Cannon? tastes subtly fruity a bit (let the jokes fly), but not bitter at all and a pleasant amount of hops with a very nice fragrance
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
I am drinking a Woodchuck Winter Release
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like Rhino piss?
I think that is what we used to call some cider people used to drink in College
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
and you love you some Mike's Hard Lemonade and dropping Jolly Ranchers into your Zima too, dontcha?
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 10:15 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
but BK drinks Newcastle
and I’m convinced that’s a futbol thing, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing, however I think he’s just trying to up his soccer hooligan street-cred
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
Coming from a guy who roots for a team formerly sponsored by Carlsberg, most soccer-related beers are gross
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
whatevs
I’ll root for Arsenal
but you know my allegiance, and there’s nothing wrong where my loyalties lay(toes)
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
Newcastle has never thrilled me for some reason
there are a number of other browns I’ve liked better
newcastle is pretty tasty stuff
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 22, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
I don't go cider all the time
But a Strongbow or Magners is an excellent change of pace occasionally.
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
I have a sixer of Stongbow in the fridge
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 20, 2011 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
Cheers, mate
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
Ugh. I can't do cider
When we first got to London I didn’t really drink beer, so I started on cider for a year. Now I can’t stomach it at all.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
how old where you when you got to London?
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 20, 2011 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
well, when you put it that way..
those are tasty, and not Woodchuck
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
I have warm Dogfish Head My Antonia that I just put in the fridge
I’ll have to find something to drink before that’s cold though. It’s my Friday!
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Dec 20, 2011 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
i know a guy who can get you some treatment
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you don't need glaucoma in California, holmes
you need to be “stressed” and “having trouble sleeping.”
I love my “medicine”
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
I just got some "medicine" that comes from out California-way yesterday
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
who says potheads are lazy?
we’re the only ones awake right now!
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
I've had a pot of tea
And I’m on some Christmas buzz right now… just got my tree up and put lights on my tropical plant too
crashtestnipplechip citymoron
Diet Mountain Dew, caffeine free
because it’s after 9pm
I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
caffeine free Mountain Dew completely defeats the purpose of Mountain Dew to me
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Dec 20, 2011 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
This is true
I’ll be back on the hard stuff in the morning
I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
Did you just flag me?
#moresextalk
I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
by darthmom on Dec 20, 2011 10:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
so yellow water?
sounds an awful lot like bodily recycling
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
Molson Ice
.. and I ain’t kiddin’..
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
"I'm so surprised!" - no one
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Dec 20, 2011 10:24 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
won it at a charity raffle a couple weeks back
a case of it, down to like 8 of them left
honestly, almost near freezing and this shit ain’t bad
it ain’t the High Life, but it was free, and I’m trying to save up for however much money I will spend on RR inebriation around New Years
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
The prospect bubble
Trading away prospects is the new market inefficiency
That’s a lot of talent to give up, but frankly, Latos is worth it. Latos has ranked in the top 20 in the majors in both ERA and strikeouts over the past two years, and he just turned 24. The Reds have him under control for the next four years. Potential no. 1 starters don’t hit the trade market very often, and when they do, this is the kind of return they ought to bring.
In recent years, however, they usually haven’t. For that reason, an ambitious team with a deep farm system — the Royals, for instance, or the Nationals — should take advantage of MLB general managers’ prospect fetish to cash in some of their lottery tickets for established players who might help them win in 2012.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Agree with every word.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 20, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
me too
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
I love Grantland!
Grantland is awesome. This article has changed my view of Grantland. Grantland rules!
by Cuetotally Amazing on Dec 20, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
I actually have warmed up to it, at first I was hostile towards it because I don't usually like Simmons and don't like his shtick.
But the Colson Whitehead WSOP article is on my Christmas break reading list.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Dec 20, 2011 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
A comprehensive review of Grantland
Good:
Simmons (but only if you like the NBA)
Mark Titus
their podcast network, specifically the Men In Blazers (EPL) and the Solid Verbal (CFB)
Rany Jazayerli/Jonah Keri
Katie Bakes
Klosterman
Bad:
Everything else
All in all, 1/3 of it is very good and the rest is unreadable.
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
Mrs. Scrabbles got me a pack of Topps for the first night of Hanukkah
I got a Tim Lincecum, a Clayton Kershaw, a Mike Moustakas, and a Nolan Ryan! Whoopee!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 20, 2011 7:20 PM EST reply actions
I totally just got all the kids in my family (10) presents with 50 bucks at some dollar store
crashtestnipplechip citymoron
A Kershaw AND a Lincecum?
Are you sure there wasn’t a Drew Stubbs sandwiched between them?
by FordhamRam on Dec 20, 2011 7:26 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
yup..
just sneezed some Molson Ice
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
fukudome sign anywhere yet?
Buy RED: My Uncensored Life in Rock by Sammy Hagar, today
by obc2 on Dec 20, 2011 7:46 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
he wouldn't be a terrible 4th outfielder.
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He is, that was my bad.
Both cot’s and BBref are very confusing on the matter
It feels so nice to be back to normal
Looks like JCH went to a party a few years back

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But how hot is Mat?
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
Dallas is cool as shit on twitter though
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Dec 20, 2011 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
she really seems to be
especially when she’s correcting me
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
She's not a fan of heat or humidity though.
"Red Reporter - An elitist clique full of like-minded douchebags." - BK
this is true
can you blame her?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 21, 2011 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
derrick rose just signed a 5 year 94 million dollar extension
wouldn’t it be nice if MLB had rules that allowed teams to keep their league mvp for that kind of money?
wait, wha..?
coming from you?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
Really?
You want baseball to be more like the NBA?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 20, 2011 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
They're, they're
Don’t beat yoreself up to much about it. You did the best you could.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 20, 2011 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
isn't that the douchebag who was destroying displays in Target stores, et al?
... I still say it was a touchdown, got tammit.
Nope, that's Scumbag Steve, who turned into Good Guy Greg
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Ugh
I don’t want baseball to do anything like the NBA does. What a mess.
I think a provision requiring teams to disclose how they spend revenue sharing dollars would do wonders.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 20, 2011 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
the nba wants their stars to stay with the teams they start with
they made rules to make it easier for that to happen. it would be nice if baseball had rules that made it easier for the reds to keep joey votto
But those rules don't work
Chris Paul already pissed all over them.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 20, 2011 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
chris paul didn't get what he wanted
he wanted to play in new york.
no rules are going to make you want to play for a bankrupt team ran by the league. new orleans is a lost cause for the nba
durant & rose signed extensions with their teams
there will be more money for players that stay with their teams than they can get if they go elsewhere.
i think in the long run, it will work out the way the nba wants it to.
if it doesn’t, david stern will just step in and do whatever he wants.
that last part is a joke
stern made a horrible decision on the paul to the lakers trade & i hate the lakers
I was pissed about Stern vetoing that deal until the deal that happened went through
And if you’re trying to run that team, you ended up getting a better haul back anyway
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Dec 20, 2011 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed, I'm no Lakers fan by any stretch of the imagination but that was an AWFUL thing to do
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Yup, they got fucked.
Not that I’m upset about it or anything.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 20, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
They had a really rough week
First that didn’t go through, then the Magic too Howard off the table, and they traded Odom to Dallas for basically no reason. Throw in a not very good coach, and you have the 7th seed in the West
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
You may very well be right
I don’t know enough to say much more about it. I don’t really follow the NBA. I was just going off what I’d read in passing over the past few weeks.
The problem with a salary cap in baseball though is that a team’s operations are far more complicated than an NBA team. Baseball teams run extensive minor league operations and international and domestic scouting operations. NBA teams don’t have to do that. The vast majority of an NBA franchise’s dollars go to the team’s payroll. Not so for baseball.
I get the sentiment for making it easier for teams to keep their homegrown stars. I want that, too. I don’t think a salary cap would be an effective device for achieving that end.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 20, 2011 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
nba teams invest a lot of money in scouting
domestically on college players & a ton of resources to foreign players.
basically half the draft is comprised of foreign players.
i don’t know how much money they put into the d-league though.
the nba also has to support the wnba financially
They have to?
Or they simply do for some unknown reason?
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Yeah
I’m interested in seeing how much Pirates management spends on Bugles and East Asian pornography.
I prefer West Asian porn

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
by -ManBearPig on Dec 20, 2011 9:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
very Madville-esque
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
Only on the Vengabus
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
good for you, that song is stuck in my head
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
not sure, it's not like the bang bus if that helps
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
Nobody knows what it means, but it's provocative!
Respect my authoritah!
by BigBadBruce on Dec 20, 2011 10:55 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Gets the people going!
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
rumor has it they like to party
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
with or without pants?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
Donald Duck'n it, brah?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 22, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I see someone turned on thevole signal
I support that decision
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
vole out Tuesday
catch the fever
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
How did I come in this thread and see zero talk of the impending Travis Wood for Sean Marshall swap?
that trade makes 0%
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 20, 2011 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
I'd want another player back from them,
or I’d want a negotiating window on a Marshall extension.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
I want neither
I’d rather have a starting pitcher than a relief pitcher.
Travis Wood will probably get 10-15 starts this year.
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 20, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
But Marshall has been one of the very best relievers over the past two years, and he'll only make 3.1 mil next year
Sorry, comment got cut off
Generally yeah, you shouldn’t trade a starter for a reliever, but I think Marshall is one of the few that’s worth it.
Like I said,
I’d like a prospect back from them, OR a negotiating window.
If Walt guaranteed him the closer’s job, it’s possible he’d sign on for a few extra years, in which case this would be totally worth it.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
MLBTR is reporting they could be part of a larger deal
So yeah, it would all depend on what that means.
I’m totally cool with getting Marshall. He’s a bad ass.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 20, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously
I have no idea what it’s appeal is. But I gives the peoples whats they wants.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 20, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
Just like a penis with STD's.
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 20, 2011 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
You are impressively unfunny
It feels so nice to be back to normal
by nycredsfan on Dec 20, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
and increasingly by each day
it’s like he’s trying to 1-up himself
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 21, 2011 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
be nice, I'm sure he read that as warts
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Eh.
Would you complain if this trade meant Chapman got those 10-15 starts instead?
It feels so nice to be back to normal
that is trying to use two wrongs to make a right
I think Wood will probably be a better pitcher than Chapman next year, and he or Bailey should win the 5th spot over Chapman.
Trading Wood so it is less likely that Chapman is put in the bullpen because the Reds has less options is solving a crisis that need not exist.
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 20, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
The Reds have too many starting pitchers
Wood would probably end up in Louisville, just because he has options.
I think it’s inevitable that someone is traded. And it’s not going to be Arroyo, unfortunately.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
And if Wood nets you an elite reliever, I say go for it during the Votto Window
It feels so nice to be back to normal
if we get a closer for spare parts instead of cash
that’s more money to spend on a LFer and a SS.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
The original Rosenthal piece
says Marshall would be a set up man. They’d still want a closer. I’m cool with that, too.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 20, 2011 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
There is a LOT of speculation in the original piece
We have no idea if other players would be involved or how Marshall would be used.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
Any chance they make Arroyo the long man?
He’s thrown relief before. I also tend to think that junk-ballers tend to recover more quickly than hard throwers, but I have no evidence to support that.
Trying to pull off "having no money and talking to no one" as well as the Reds have.
last time arroyo came out of the bullpen
his team won the world series!
by 'tHan on Dec 20, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I don't think they do
A good starting rotation usually isn’t 4 deep, it is 6 or 7.
Chapman is also no guarantee to make or stick in the rotation. Chapman’s production this year should be considered icing not expected. I would hate to trade Wood, and see Chapman fail, and have to depend on Bailey and the other 4 to hold together.
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 20, 2011 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
I'm torn
you make a compelling argument (though I doubt Wood is more valuable than Chapman over a full season, assuming health), but at the same time, even with Wood OUT of the picture we’ve still got 6 viable candidates for the rotation. Latos, Cueto, Leake, Arroyo, Bailey, Chapman.
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
Does anyone else see..
Lecure moving to a 7th inning job, as opposed to mop up guy. Then the 6th starting pitcher, Chapman or Wood, could stay stretched out for spot starts. Thus retaining the SP deph and getting Chapman closer to being a starter. I know everyone wants him on a 5 day rotation… but if he’s not ready, hes not ready! And he WILL break with the club.
crashtestnipplechip citymoron
LeCure pitched in the later innings plenty last year
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
When the bullpen was falling apart he did
And when he wasn’t sore from pitching 5 innings for Voltron
crashtestnipplechip citymoron
looking at his game logs from last year,
he was completely all over the place.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
That tells me Dusty has some faith in him
So with him on a natural progression forward, Who takes his mop up/spot start job?
crashtestnipplechip citymoron
Dusty definitely had faith in him
he put him in some stupid situations where another reliever would have been a far better choice. Burned him a couple times, but for the most part LeCure was pretty damn impressive.
he was one of the few bright spots last season
unrelated: we need a new thread. this one is getting slow as shit.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
still got 6 SP for 5 spots
if you don’t trade Wood, you have 7.
1) Latos
2) Cueto
3) Leake
4) Bailey?
5) Chapman?
6) Arroyo (long man?)
7) Wood (AAA?)
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
You would put an extra 45+ on your bullpen by putting Roro in the pen
He’s going to return to awesomeness. I think that fastball will be about 3 MPH faster than last year
crashtestnipplechip citymoron
And why would you trade a talented lefty like wood
And not just pen him.
crashtestnipplechip citymoron
If only the Reds would give Bronson the Zito treatment.
I just don’t see it happening.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
I want salary help instead...
We throw in Sappelt, they give us $5 million, and we close the deal with Beltran!
Trying to pull off "having no money and talking to no one" as well as the Reds have.
Is it legal to send more money than the player you are trading makes?
I don’t think I’ve ever seen that happen
It feels so nice to be back to normal
Dave Weathers was traded for cash
but the commissioners office has to approve any trade that involved more than $1M changing hands, and I doubt he would approve that deal.
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 20, 2011 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
Beats me...
But I really think the Reds should be doing whatever they can to get Beltran.
I’m afraid they’ll put $3 million to Marshall, $6 million to CoCo, and have nothing to address LF. I’d take my chances that some of these starters could actually pitch out of the bullpen if they want their MLB dollars, and use whatever funds I have for a real LF. Heisey is a great 4th OF. Sappelt is a redundant asset. If you need a pitcher or two, use Sappelt and one of those starters (Bailey or Wood) to get them. (Walt, you’re reading this, right?)
Trying to pull off "having no money and talking to no one" as well as the Reds have.
too busy talking about travel routes, wine, and the fucking NBA
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
I see Marlon Byrd being included in the deal
for better or worse
when everybody is around and we're swinging for long bombs away, how do we come around to know - man, this really is what it's for?
by DannyGraves on Dec 20, 2011 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
Family Guy'd
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2011 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
If he comes cheap
I could live with Marlon Byrd in LF
"There's only one god, and his name is Death. And what do we say to Death? Not today!" --- Syrio Forel, Game of Thrones
by cesarhernandez on Dec 20, 2011 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
Wow...
I’m not big on trading for relief pitching, but he’s been really good. A 54.9% GB rate the last two seasons in 150 IP and only a 4.2% HR/FB rate while pitching home games in Wrigley. That’s fantastic.
Trying to pull off "having no money and talking to no one" as well as the Reds have.
And #1 in fWAR among relievers with 100 IP over that time.
Trying to pull off "having no money and talking to no one" as well as the Reds have.
Moving Wood for a 3 million dollar setup man is asinine.
Move Homer for one if you must, but damn this trade stinks like poo.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 21, 2011 12:40 AM EST reply actions
finally another voice of reason
good to have ya on my side KMB.
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 21, 2011 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't trade Homer or Wood
straight up for Marshall. But I might trade Wood for Marshall and another piece or two.
"There's only one god, and his name is Death. And what do we say to Death? Not today!" --- Syrio Forel, Game of Thrones
by cesarhernandez on Dec 21, 2011 12:56 AM EST up reply actions
why wouldn't Marshall close?
he’d be cheaper than a legit closer, although there’s really none left on the market to the best of my knowledge
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 21, 2011 12:58 AM EST up reply actions
god
11:52pm: The deal is “close,” a source tells Bruce Levine of ESPNChicago.com, and it includes two minor leaguers.
when everybody is around and we're swinging for long bombs away, how do we come around to know - man, this really is what it's for?
they better not be our minor leaguers
when everybody is around and we're swinging for long bombs away, how do we come around to know - man, this really is what it's for?
Story says it is two of our minor leaguers
I like Marshall a lot, but throwing in 2 minor leaguers with Wood? Crazy…better be shitty minor leaguers.
"There's only one god, and his name is Death. And what do we say to Death? Not today!" --- Syrio Forel, Game of Thrones
by cesarhernandez on Dec 21, 2011 1:10 AM EST up reply actions
this is a terrible trade
They are trading Travis Wood, who in half a season over his rookie year put up 2.2 WAR, not to mention the fact he is cost controlled for another FIVE SEASONS for a reliever who is cost controlled for one year and in his best year put up 2.8 WAR.
GOD DAMNIT WALTER!
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Lost in a lot of this analysis is that Marshall will likely net the Reds some draft picks after next year
I think thats a big part of all this in Walt’s eyes, and he could close if we need him to. I’m not full on for this deal, but I guess I don’t hate it. I’ve never been ultra-high on Wood though.
I'm not ultra high on Wood
But I think it is reasonable to expect him to put up 2.5 to 3 WAR as a starter over the course of a season. The idea of trading a young pitcher with some prior big league success who is cost controlled for 5 more seasons for a guy who will go free agent in a year, and at most will give the Reds 3 extra wins, seems like a really bad deal. Add in the fact the Reds are sending the Cubs two additional minor leaguers, makes the Cubs the clear long term, and depending on what Travis Wood does this season (all Wood needs to do is throw 150+ innings with an ERA under 4.5), short term winners as well.
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that all sounds reasonable
I would have preferred it were Homer being traded anyway and keeping Wood as solid insurance. I’m not necessarily endorsing the deal, just saying I don’t hate it. Even with the WAR numbers you’ve cited, given the situation for the Reds I think Marshall easily helps them more next season than Wood does (barring some unforeseen injury problems for the rotation), so if we’re going all-out for the Votto Window® the deal makes some sense in that way.
And I'm predicting your response here
I get that a good rotation is 6-7 deep and I agree, but if they’re serious about Chapman in the rotation they have enough guys to go 6 or 7 deep that aren’t huge fall-offs from Wood (i.e. LeCure).
And WAR is not the best stat to use for relievers
In pretty much any category Marshall’s been one of the best relievers for the past two years
or not on the draft picks
I have no idea how the new CBA works with all that. I’m betting the Reds get something when he walks though.
All the more reason for the Reds to go all in and make a run at the World Series
It’s not illegal to trade World Series tickets for sex!
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
this can't be true
thats waaaayyyy too much for a reliever. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Reds getting something else from the Cubs as well a la Byrd or Marmol.
Wood could be a very good bullpen guy too
And is also left handed. We had better be the one getting a return of two prospects. Everyone knows starting pitching is more valuable than a 8th inning guy.
crashtestnipplechip citymoron
He has the capability to be our closer though, so saying he's an 8th inning guy is misleading.
He instantly becomes our best reliever, which in the short term is more than Wood will give us.
This move would be VERY bad IMO
Dude is a FA after this year and would eat up the money saved from Latos, about 3.5M.
crashtestnipplechip citymoron
It all depends on the "other"
if it’s a couple throw ins, I’m cool.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
with there being other prospects involved
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Cubs were sending some salary our way in the deal
I would say that they wouldn't
If you trade within your division, you will pay a premium for it. Worst part is that Wood has club control for SIX years still
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