Latos Reposter - Mutually Assured Terrificness
There's been plenty of reaction around the media, blogosphere, and twitterverse to the Reds' acquisition of Mat Latos. RSC's excellent Latos White Paper is a necessary read about the team's new number 2 (1?) starter. Below are some older articles that help explain how Latos has become one of baseball's most promising younger pitchers, while shedding some light on his reportedly mercurial nature:
- This early scouting report discusses some of the makeup questions that have dogged Latos since high school. The Padres took a chance on him in the 11th round of the 2006 draft, but still waited to sign him for nearly a year (which is no longer permitted). Latos exhibited enough maturity while pitching for a Florida community college to convince the Padres to pay him a $1.25M signing bonus.
- During Latos' breakout 2010 campaign, he received plenty of media focus on his meteoric rise to stardom. This Yahoo article sums up the maturation process:
He stopped yelling at teammates for making errors, stopped snatching at return throws from the catcher when he believed an umpire missed a call, and toned down the self-loathing when he didn't perform up to his own expectations. "I learned to breathe through my eyelids," he said. "When I was younger, I always had an excuse. Now, I throw a pitch and I can accept that I made a mistake and somebody hit it. How can I be mad at somebody else on the field? I'm never going to be perfect, so how can I expect anybody else to be perfect?" "I still have that hotness in me. There are plenty of times I want to let it out."
- Latos received some tough love from a Padres minor league instructor early in his career. It very well be responsible for the growth that enabled him to succeed in the big leagues:
Latos got away with his me-first attitude until he collided with Padres roving pitching instructor Mike Couchee.... After a poor bullpen session one day, Latos and Couchee bickered until Couchee decided he'd had enough. He asked Latos if he would be mouthing off like this to Padres manager Bud Black. Latos said no. "Then grow up," Latos remembers Couchee telling him, "and go about your business as if you were in the majors." "A light turned on," Latos said. "I decided to quit acting like I was 16 years old."
- ESPN the Magazine also went into some depth about Latos' new-found maturity in 2010. Latos' professional nadir may have occurred during a game in Cincinnati, shortly after his 2009 big league call-up:
[Heath] Bell had little patience for such an attitude that day in Cincinnati, and almost immediately after hearing Latos, he yelled, "Listen to us! We know what we're doing here. You're a talented pitcher but we can make you that much better. You walk around here like you're a veteran thinking like you're somebody. You have to be humble. We have to work as a team."
It's a long but interesting article, and well worth the read.
After the jump, other hot stove news.
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Arizona has signed Jason Kubel to two years
The Diamondbacks now have a pair of Leftfielders. Perhaps Gerardo Parra is now expendable? He's coming off a nifty little two-win season and is not eligible for arbitration until 2013. - The Cardinals are kicking the tires on Carlos Beltran
According to Ken Rosenthal, St. Louis did "extensive background work on free-agent outfielder Carlos Beltran last week and maintain strong interest in him." Presumptive RF Allan Craig just underwent knee surgery, which might explain St. Louis' interest. - J-Roll re-ups with Philadelphia
The deal is for 3 years and $33M, with a vesting option for a fourth year. Rollins said at the beginning of the offseason that he wanted a five year deal, but I don't think anybody seriously believed that was going to happen. - Brewers go to Plan J to cover for Braun's suspension
Milwaukee successfully bid on Japan's Norichika Aoki with a modest $2.5M post. Aoki is a 30 year-old LHB outfielder, and probably limited to LF due to his arm. While he won't provide the power desired from a leftfielder, Aoki's been, well, a-okay when it comes to getting on base. Before the league-wide offensive lull of 2011, Aoki slahshed .336/.411/.472. Last year he hit .292/.358/.360. - And the winner of the Yu Darvish posting sweepstakes is ...
still unknown, though Toronto is rumored here to have submitted the winning bid. According to a more recent report fromSI, the winning bid bested the record $51.1M fee Boston paid for Daisuke. - There's no news on the Prince Fielder front, but there is a Book
Like he has for his other big ticket clients, Scott Boras has "published' a promotional book on Fielder, designed to impress front offices and possibly his client. Said one GM: "It's kind of like the Sports Illustrated swimsuit calendar. You look forward to it coming out each year. But you're not really going to do anything about it." - The best Christmas montage I've seen in some time
- Dallas Latos is happy to be coming to Cincinnati
THANK GOD. Or just you. Thank you, Ken.
You're welcome.
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So when everyone has gotten over their Laktos-Love...who is going to play these positions...
SS – I see Zach there for a long time – But Walt and Dustbrainfuckpants will want to go w/some VP retread fer sher
3B – I see Rolen there until he is hurt again (prolly May, then again in July, August and then again in Sept.) Fiasco ?
LF. – Hi-Z…yawn…um…Frazier, Dusty doesn’t seem to like him…VP retread ?
C – I prefer Mescaline but I bet Dustbrain goes with ‘Hanny’
These questions along with how do you get STubbs to make more contact and Bruce to be more offensively consistent are the main issue for the Red’s offense…the pitching looks good on paper – Cueto, Woods, Bailey, Bronson, Laktos, Androidis, Leake, Sam etc…the hitting and defense is kinda iffy..
Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
If Meso does that
Then Hanigan because an extremely high value trade chip next winter.
@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Dec 19, 2011 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
so who is Mesoraco's caddy for 2013 should that happen?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
the offense that was second in the league in runs scored is the issue?
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 19, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
restraining order'd
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 19, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Curious
why do you keep saying “Laktos”? Is there a pun I’m missing (besides maybe the milk one, which would be unfunny)?
... I still say it was a touchdown, got tammit.
by supergrover on Dec 19, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
Are you Laktos-intolerant?
... I still say it was a touchdown, got tammit.
by supergrover on Dec 19, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Lactose
would be the spelling of the “lactose-intolerant” lactose. I got nothing on “laktos.”
I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
I don't know what it means
but I am pretty sure it is racist.
//kneejerkliberal’d
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Isn't a Latke a potato pancake?
Well now it makes perfect sense….
I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
hitting & defense look iffy?
You mean the only good parts of the 2011 team are now suddenly bad? Please elaborate.
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by Slyde on Dec 19, 2011 12:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think we'd all prefer mescaline.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Dec 19, 2011 4:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not me
not yet, anyway. A platoon will be good for both of them and the team.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
If nothing else I hope the Reds talk to Beltran to drive up his price for St. Louis.
I want him.
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It would make the offense pretty unstoppable.
We’re probably going to see a drop off in production from BP and the catchers, though. Hopefully Drew Stubbs can get back to OPSing closer to .800 than .700 and Jay Bruce can get closer to .900. But Beltran’s close-to-.900-and-excellent-LF-defense would be amazing in the middle of the lineup. 2 years, 10 mill for CoCo, and 2 years, 22 mill with 10 mill deferred for Beltran and call it an off-season.
What bats are going to be free agents after 2012?
They don’t have to fill the holes now, they could pick somebody up in July.
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 19, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
thanks
I wonder what the chances are that Arizona will be shopping Stephen Drew? Mutual options are rarely picked up.
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 19, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Low because they'll be in contention again.
They have some good pitching and their offense is kinda good in that ballpark.
True
for some reason I forget the Dbacks were really good last year.
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 19, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
I'll take that bet.
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by nycredsfan on Dec 19, 2011 1:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
godlord

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 19, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'll rec this every time you post it
It makes lol every time
I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
I wouldn't make that bet straight up, though.
I was trying to get at: I think his HR/PA will improve a lot.
You can set whatever qualifiers on it you want.
He won’t hit 30 homers next year.
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I'll bet that if Jay Bruce got 800 plate appearances he'd hit 100 homers.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
but what if he gets 800 PA's in 2012?
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by BigBabyBruce on Dec 19, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
This needed green-ing
I’ve been doing that a lot lately. Why am I having to pick up this slack?
"This is the St. Louis Cardinals we're talking about. They suck. Screw them. With a shovel. The sharp metal end. And then set them on fire." - crolfer
by rorschach1979 on Dec 19, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
Ok, how about
I’ll bet that if Bronson Arroyo pitches 250 innings, his ERA will be below 4.50
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If Bronson Arroyo pitches 250 innings
I imagine they’ll be a line of us waiting to jump off the Roebling Bridge
not if he does it with an ERA that begins with a 3 or a 4.
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#sickburn
"This is the St. Louis Cardinals we're talking about. They suck. Screw them. With a shovel. The sharp metal end. And then set them on fire." - crolfer
by rorschach1979 on Dec 19, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
I dunno.
If he pitches 250 innings, it’s likely because he’s pitched so well that he’s going 8.1 innings per start!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 19, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
he gave the Reds 240 innings in 2006
that was cool.
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I'll bet that if I ever meet you in a dark alley in San Jose, I'd totally kick your ass
It feels so nice to be back to normal
sex is a form of currency
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
I bet if btcoop puts his penis through a New York area glory hole
nycredsfan will give a blowjob.
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That's completely inappropriate
and an offensive personal attack.
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did i step over the line again?
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Not from me, but
ProTip: If you are going to be inappropriate, at least try to be funny.
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once
i made a brendan’s mom joke after they went out of style.
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You just haven't met the right guy yet
/showing jstuin how it’s done
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by nycredsfan on Dec 19, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I've been flagged before
But since I’m not one of the 2398047234 mods on this site, I don’t get to see them.
Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun
i think 'tHan flags all my comments!
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I saw I had a flagged comment on here a bit back from DerekH91's old account
I laughed my ass off when I figured out what it was.
Oooh, what was it?
I don’t think I flagged too many comments on that account (or this one, for that matter)
It was when I photoshopped Joey with a Cardinals hat on
I actually stumbled across the picture on my computer the other day. Thought I deleted it, glad I didn’t because it makes me laugh.
definitely flag-worthy
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I remember that!
To be fair, I put something incredibly over the top in the comment box, so the mods would know I was joking
I can look it up, the text was:
“This is worse than Hitler and Stalin combined.”
I knew it was a joke, and I’m glad you did it because it was incredibly amusing when I saw it.
how many pop ups have they given you?
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probably like 6 or 7
i like to go back and re read them so that i’m sure not to repeat my bad behavior
ha!
I’ll bet that every time you re-read a popup, a unicorn dies.
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I've tried to watch that show a few times because it got plugged so much on IFC
Never really got it.
So, you masturbate slowly
thinking of other guys. And?
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 19, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
So you think you are funny, but are mainly just gross and annoying?
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And?
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 19, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
I know.
But it applies.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 19, 2011 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
so we're talking about 'creds black 3rd leg?
right?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
My point was that Arizona would improve Kubel's power output.
Then you guys went crazy on the literal part.
Bring back Josh Hamilton!
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by nycredsfan on Dec 19, 2011 12:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Youk and Wright would probably be too pricey
actually Upton and Victorino probably would too.
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
I think, at this point, calling Beltran's defense at any OF spot ''excellent' is very generous
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by nycredsfan on Dec 19, 2011 12:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think, at this point, calling Beltran realistic for the Reds is generous
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
by UncleWeez on Dec 19, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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We’re probably going to see a drop off in production from BP and the catchers, though
Why so? I don’t expect Mesoraco to hit .280, but I also don’t expect Hanigan to hit .260, so it might wash out or improve, since Mes might reintroduce pop that was lost in 2011 for the catcher position.
... I still say it was a touchdown, got tammit.
by supergrover on Dec 19, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Our catchers last year were way above league average IIRC.
You think Mesoraco will hit better than Ramon did last year (.282/.341/.446)?
I guess that'd be OK.
I’d like to see .324 be more like .334 but, that’s only 1% different. I guess we’ll see how he does. He wasn’t quite as good last year at AAA.
Like Bubba said though, that's pretty fantastic for a rookie catcher
Not everyone can be Joe Mauer and post a .372 OBP in their rookie season
or be Mat Latos and have 447 great MLB inning before they turn 24.
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 19, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He's inconsistent! And a hothead! He'll suck in GABP!
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by nycredsfan on Dec 19, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah, Hernanigans were compositely an excellent catcher
on offense and defense.
Mez might be a hall of famer one day, but it’s probably too much to expect him to be better this year. It took Wieters about three years to hit his stride.
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It took Buster Posey about three days to hit his stride
I don’t think you can make comparisons. Every player is different and will adjust differently.
I mean, even Wieters slashed .288/.340/.412 his rookie year as a 23 year old in the AL East. Meso will be fine.
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just saying
it might not be realistic to expect the production from our catchers to be better than last year. Partly because it was pretty decent last year. Might have been a fluke, but it was pretty decent.
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I don't disagree with the larger point
And I don’t expect it to be better. But I do think Hanny will bounce back a bit, and Meso should improve as the year goes on.
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I personally think a huge range of outcomes are possible for Mesoraco
I doubt the catching will be better than last year, but I also doubt it will be far worse. Anyway, anything between .680-.820 OPS would not surprise me for Meso. I just really don’t know and would not make any bets.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
I think it would be awesome for us
And doubly awesome because he wouldn’t go to St. Louis.
@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Dec 19, 2011 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
Aw, come on...he's a vegan
He’s got to be rail thin by now
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
I now a girl who gained like 100 pounds after she became a vegan
she was hot in high school when she ate meet, but now not so much.
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 19, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
#goodlord
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by nycredsfan on Dec 19, 2011 12:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
that was excellent for even Yossi
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
likely not veganism related
thyroid or something unfun
... I still say it was a touchdown, got tammit.
by supergrover on Dec 19, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
A lot of vegans eat an enormous amount of starch...
since it’s easier to get and cheaper than real food.
If you’re having a burger, fries, and a Coke, the best thing for you of those three is the burger.
How much starch is in cocaine?
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
The best thing for you is to avoid McDonald's all together
Since, y’know, the food doesn’t ever rot. That doesn’t seem natural.
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He didn't say McDonald's, silly girl
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
did justin write the poll question on the main page?
The Reds got Mat Latos. Considering the all the players involved in the trade, do you approve or disapprove?
I read the ESPN article and have to admit I was tickled by some of his antics.
If his makeup is a threat to his career, it’s clearly because of everything besides baseball. I’m good with my ace being a sonavabitch, as long as he gets to play. At this point he looks ready to move forward.
Never say "TRADE VOTTO"
i kind of want an asshole.
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 19, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
NTTAWWT
... I still say it was a touchdown, got tammit.
by supergrover on Dec 19, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Good. Lord.
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by nycredsfan on Dec 19, 2011 1:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
We've been constructing some serious Latos work on the site recently
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 19, 2011 1:09 PM EST reply actions
I've just been sitting in half-Latos
contemplating this trade all weekend.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 19, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
I'm about to level up
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 19, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
wait
The Phillies signed Willis?
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 19, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
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Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Dec 19, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
Everybody knows that Kanekoa Texeira is a myth!
On Dasher, on Dancer, on Prancer, and Vixen
On Kanekoa Texeira and Donner and Blitzen.
by MatthewH on Dec 19, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
teh fay
on what’s next for the Reds.
He think the Reds will have to fill the remaining holes via free agency, because the prospect cupboard is bare after the Latos trade.
He’s a bit out of date. He lists Kubel as a possibility. (He thinks the Reds need a veteran OFer.)
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Fay's spot on here:
By the way, I just looked at the post with Jim Bowden’s reaction to the trade. Kind of cracked me up. He’s talking like Alonso and Grandal are absolute locks. I was at press conference where Brandon Larson was described as "Robin Ventura was more speed." I was at another where they said Dane Sardinha "could catch in the big leagues right now." And who could forget that Chris Gruler had "a Tom Seaver curveball."
by ken on Dec 19, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yes
Prospects may or may not work out. A few years ago, anyone suggesting Homer be traded would have been run out of town on a rail. Now…well, he’s not terrible, but he’s not the superstar many were expecting.
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Sure, it's easy to overrate prospects. Especially pitchers.
But I was talking more about Bowden’s lack of credibility.
To me, the most ridiculous thing that no one is acknowledging
is that of the 5 players that changed teams, Latos is younger than 2, and only older than the other 2 by less than a year. It’s like if he was still in AAA after having done very well (Alonso, Boxy) , people would be salivating over him. But since he’s not a prospect, it’s an overpay. Dumb.
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And especially with pitchers,
there is so much room for growth and further development. The stuff is clearly there, but time and again we see pitchers learning how to better utilize that stuff as they get older. That’s not to say he definitely will, but there’s a LOT more development left in him than in Alonso or Volquez, who we pretty much know what to expect from.
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I disagree about Alonso
I think there’s a decent chance he’s a great hitter but he could just easily be merely adequate. He’s already shown good contact skills and is strong enough to hit for considerable power. If that happens, his walk rate will hike up and his slash line would be elite. But this is all projection based on his tools and outstanding collegiate record. His minor league record, as we’ve all discussed, is just okay, perhaps because of the hamate fracture. So he could easily become just an average 1B (which has value in itself, but obviously isn’t what San Diego is banking on). I would imagine there’s more volatility in projecting Alonso’s WAR than Latos’. IMO.
I can see that
On the other hand, i feel like Alonso is pretty certain to hit for a good average, walk a lot, and have decent power. I’m not sure how much more to expect. The power could become elite, but it definitely won’t in Petco.
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I see him as Billy Butler.
If he improves his defense (people so easily forget that most every young 1b is terrible at defense early on), he could be a solid MLB starter.
Hitting wise he’s got Butler’s profile, I think.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 19, 2011 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think Fay really knows much about the Reds.
Either that or he just doesn’t think. If the Reds traded 3 of their top 10 prospects (2 of the top 5) for Latos, it stands to reason that there are other prospects available to trade for a closer or LF.
Obviously some of those 10 (Meso, Cozart) aren’t getting traded, but the cupboard is hardly bare. Now, if Walt makes another big trade….
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To be fair to Fay, he said, of LF and closer, one of those two needs would need to be filled via free agence
Meaning they still could make a trade for the other
Grant Brisbee is rapidly becoming my favorite baseball writer
Here he is on Latos. No information we didn’t already know, but well put. And it’s nice that somebody in the national media gets it.
Interesting list of pitchers with a k:bb ratio of 3:1 or better prior to turning 24
7 guys have done it since 2000, and two of the other six did it during the same time frame (2009-2011) as Latos – Bumgarner and Brett Anderson. Of the other 4, here is what they did in their age 24 season:
Cole Hamels – 14-10, 3.09 ERA, 227 IP
K-Rod, 2-3, 1.73 ERA, 47 saves
Mark Prior, 11-7, 3.67 ERA, 167 IP (basically the end of his career, unfortunately)
Javier Vasquez, 16-11, 3.42 ERA, 223 IP
And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head blown off
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Dec 19, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
Same. He's clever, a good writer, and actually seems to understand baseball.
My favorite trade analysis was the one Al Yellon (main mod on Bleed Cubbie Blue) did. He said the centerpiece of the trade was Edinson Volquez and Grandal looked like a throw in.
Way to do your homework, Cubs fan.
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I've said this before, but it bears repeating
Al Yellon is hands down the worst writer on Baseball Nation.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
He has to be the only work-for-free blogger
With his own hate site. Which probably says as much about Cubs fans as it does him.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Dec 19, 2011 4:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I always assumed the dudes on the main page
(Neyer, Brisbee, Sullivan, Yellon, et al) got paid.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
The "scouting report" on reds.com is just as flawed
The writer says that Latos’ slider is “decent,” but from what I’ve seen it may be his best pitch. He leads the discussion on the Reds’ trade chips by talking about Volquez, who “may be the centerpiece of the deal for the Padres.” He also says that once Volquez returned from Louisville, “he became the type of pitcher the Reds envisioned, though a 5-7 record and 5.71 ERA do not reflect the potential and arm strength of a healthy Volquez.”
Do these sites employ people who actually watch or know anything about baseball?
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
If Volquez is the best layer they received in the trade...
it will actually be worse for the Padres, since the best player they received in the trade won’t be on their team after 2 years.
If he’s that good, a team with more money than th Pads will pay to sign him in FA.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 19, 2011 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
The few comments weren't bad either
I think Reds fans should seriously consider the “Sweep the leg!” chant, with Latos on the mound.
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by rorschach1979 on Dec 19, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
I've liked him ever since I started reading him when he was solely on McCovey Chronicles
Does he count as national media? That idea is still strange to me, guys moving from SBN to “national” gigs.
looks like fay & doug dirt are going to fight. i feel a SSS excuse coming on.
RT @dougdirt24 His on base percentage is a big problem for starting him every day. Sappelt is the better choice//Sappelt’s OBP was .289.
He's right that Sappelt's .289 major league OBP is largely irrelevant
but regardless, his argument is a strange one. Heisey and Sappelt have nearly identical minor league batting lines. Heisey has been successful (enough) in the majors though, and Sappelt has yet to be.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 19, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
maybe he just loves the prospects
I suppose there’s also Sappelt’s relatively fast rise through the farm. He reached the majors in 4 years, vs. 5 for Hi-Z.
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Sappelt didn't rise that fast through the farm.
He just sucked at first, and has only been good for 2 years.
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You aren't kiddin'
Minor league OBPs of 362 and 365; SLGs of 459 and 458. But Sappelt got there differently, pumping up his SLG with doubles and especially triples. It’ll be harder to get those in the big leagues because the fielders are better.
Frazier is basically the same hitter, too
.354/.477
All the sudden, we went and got ourselves a big ol’ roster redundancy problem.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 19, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
But for some reason, I just don't trust Sappelt to do anything in the majors
It’s largely irrational, but I can’t shake the sense that he’s a 4th OF at best.
Part of it is his size, and what ken said about it being hard to pad your SLG with doubles and triples in the majors…and especially at GABP.
I don’t necessarily trust Heisey either, and I’m not sure Frazier is a legit offensive LFer either, but I certainly would rather give them a run out there before Sappelt.
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i can't help but dismiss sappelt because of his size
right or wrong, when you see him in a game, he doesn’t look like he belongs
Yep.
Also, his approach. He looks like he’ll never walk, and will have a hard time getting it out of the infield.
He just looks like the kind of guy whose minors numbers look good mainly because of bad minor league defenses.
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I want it to be how it used to be between us.
You know, in the days of Your.
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by nycredsfan on Dec 19, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
If his plate approach was more like that of successful small guys, there would be more hope
That, and if he had little guy speed. Most successful small players can really fly. Sappelt has decent speed, but not the kind he needs given his apparent lack of pop.
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by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Dec 19, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
Or if he just didn't swing at anything off the plate.
It’s hard to consistently hit a strike zone that small, but he makes the pitcher’s job a lot easier by hacking early and often.
And it’s kind of the Janish effect too. If he never shows the ability to crush a pitch, pitchers won’t be afraid to groove a fastball on the first pitch of the AB.
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you need up go see Juan Duran play
He’s the anti sappelt
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by obc2 on Dec 19, 2011 7:44 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
If Sappelt isn't playing CF
he’s probably not a MLB player, because his bat won’t play in a corner. In CF, his upside could be a fringe-average starter for a few years.
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Admit it, it's because he's black
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Just because I hate you because you're white doesn't mean I'm racist.
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by nycredsfan on Dec 20, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm pretty sure the 'creds v 'dirt pissing match will still be going on this time tomorrow
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yep, it was an offspring of the 'ayman tweet
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so
why is DougDirt so in love with Sap?
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he likes shitty Reds players?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2011 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, nevermind. You were being cute by shortening Fayman.
You’re so clever.
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a'fucking-greed
’creds > dougdirt in a landslide, and not in that Dixie Chicks or Fleetwood Mac kinda way, either
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
I want the Reds to go get Parra
He’s young and cost controlled, he showed great progress last year at drawing walks, and he can play LF extremely well.
It would be nice to have a scrappy, fast, top of the order type hitter in this lineup. I know he doesn’t have the power of a typical LF, but this team has enough power hitters already. Parra isn’t perfect, but I think he could be a really nice addition.
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by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Dec 19, 2011 3:44 PM EST reply actions
Yeah, well giving Kubel $15 million was clearly one of those things you do after a night of heavy drinking
So the reds just need to take Towers out for a night on the town and next thing you know:
Boom. Sappelt for Parra.
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by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Dec 19, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that contract is ridiculous.
Can you imagine the furor if Walt had given anything close to that to Gomes last year?
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Doesn’t it always seem like Minny is full of 26-y-o control pitchers and like 6 interchangable outfielders? They’ve had the same team since Puckett and Knoblauch.
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by Cy Schourek on Dec 19, 2011 5:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm still convinced Jacque Jones nd Shannon Stewart were the same player.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 19, 2011 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
Is Parra an upgrade on Heisey?
They seem like practically the same player to me. Parra trades power for more OBP. We don’t gotta give anything up for Heisey though.
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I deleted MBP's pic
Mainly because I can’t think of a single situation where anyone in my life (wife, colleagues, students) could walk by my computer with it up and I wouldn’t be mortified.
Also, the persecution argument was lame and needed to go.
:-)
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