Reds acquire Mat Latos
Ken Rosenthal reporting that the Reds have acquired pitcher Mat Latos from the Padres. Yonder Alonso is reportedly in the deal. More on this as it develops.
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I don't follow Rosenthal
and MLBTR is the only other place I’ve seen it on Twitter today..
The ends justify the means
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Go Colts Dammit!
Also, this from Yonder Alonso's twitter
@YonderalonsoU
Yonder Alonso
Time to close this book and begin another….sad but happy at the same time …
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
well..
that should do it!!
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
it's good to get rid of him before he gets caught with PEDs
He went to Miami and worked out with A-rod. Same story with Braun.
when everybody is around and we're swinging for long bombs away, how do we come around to know - man, this really is what it's for?
cheer up, Yonder
Now you can eat whatever you want!
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on Dec 17, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Go luck Yonder!
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 19, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
/Japanesefan'd
#racist
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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 20, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
We'll see how awesome it is when we see the rest of the deal
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Dec 17, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
If Mes is still here, I like the deal. If not… I don’t know
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Dec 17, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
Same here
I have higher hopes for Meso then for Alonso.
by wishfuldrifter on Dec 17, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
Terrific deal.
That Mesoraco is key for me. Jocketty landed the top available pitcher without giving up Mes, Cozart or Leake. Well played.
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Dec 17, 2011 2:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
This is not an awesome deal as it stands.
Frankly it sucks. In the long term it blows.
Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
Our long term is going to blow anyway once we lose Votto.
Might as well go for it now over the next two years.
But wait!
When our 1-2 punch at the front of the rotation takes us deep into the playoffs, and our lineup is stacked with young, good-to-great hitters, Joey is going to weigh the pressure of a big city (which he hates) against a town he likes that isn’t all that far from Canada. He’s going to add in the probability of a championship, and sign long term to a deal the Reds can (accounting for all that extra revenue from a winning team) afford.
It’s all good, man.
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
by bbjones on Dec 17, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Very true.
I’d rather have an ace like Latos for 4 years. We keep him for 3 years, go for a series, and if not, trade him to a desperate playoff team who’ll give up the 2014 equivalent of Yonder, Yasmani, and Wagon
The Reds control Votto for two more years
go for broke now maddy!
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 17, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I would think, if nothing else, this shows Votto
That the Reds are committed to him. This way he knows they aren’t just holding on to Yonder until he leaves.
by wishfuldrifter on Dec 17, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
show of hands
who would last more than 2 minutes with her?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe on the 4th time
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
going out on a limb and saying definitely not me
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
She was ruined once I got done with her dude, sorry
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
i'd take my chances
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
believe in yourself
I like that
swagger, you haz it
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
This is the most relistically upbeat patter on RR all day,,,Go Gretchen!!!
Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
mmmm
go Gretchen indeed
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 18, 2011 1:19 AM EST up reply actions
she looks like she fucking loves cocaine.
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 19, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
she's a snow athlete
what do you expect?
and, what’s wrong with a woman that knows how to party?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2011 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
HOT WIFE and a good pitcher
when everybody is around and we're swinging for long bombs away, how do we come around to know - man, this really is what it's for?
by DannyGraves on Dec 17, 2011 1:18 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
This....
This is all I have to say about this.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Alonso, Rolen, and Arroyo!
Walt yer a saint!!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 17, 2011 1:21 PM EST reply actions
I want to say Grandal, Alonso, Heisey
but that probably wouldn’t be enough
when everybody is around and we're swinging for long bombs away, how do we come around to know - man, this really is what it's for?
Oh, fuck that's pretty
Homer ain’t giving up his number unless he’s in the deal though
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Dec 17, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
What's the protocol on stealing your new teammate's number?
’Cause I think Homer Bailey might have something to say about that
'Ol Hoss will sell it to him I'm sure
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
I tell ya what
I’ll give ya this 34 here for 8 cans of snuss and yer firebird. Butcha also gotta take yer shirt off and squeal like a piggy on the mound in Goodyear.
"Call me old fashioned, but I think fire is magic, and it scares me a lot."
by Lucky Pierre on Dec 17, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
might not be too far off
plus a couple a nekkid photos of his wife, and you might just have yerself a dadgum deal
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Padres have some pretty cool jerseys.
I really like their new identity since they got over the Tony Gwynn years.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
That bat-swinging friar is one my favorite baseball logos
The patch of it on the sleeve nicely balances out the staidness of the rest of the jersey, imo.
Oh, yeah. Preach on, ken!
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 18, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, they have some cool throwbacks
I hate the camo jerseys, but they’re for a good cause
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
they are really fucking horrendous though.
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 19, 2011 12:52 AM EST up reply actions
Yonder END Corcino Homer
Buy RED: My Uncensored Life in Rock by Sammy Hagar, today
by obc2 on Dec 17, 2011 1:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Swing and a miss
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by BK on Dec 17, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
wait... where are they gonna play Yonder?
when everybody is around and we're swinging for long bombs away, how do we come around to know - man, this really is what it's for?
i don't care who we gave up
this is a Christmas miracle.
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
First the Reds sweep the Cardinals the weeking I got married....
Now Walt gets me Latos for Christmas. Aw, Reds, you shouldn’t have!
sniff
SOMETHING TO ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT!
Holy fucking shit
We're all mad. I'm mad. You're mad. Otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.
what?!
you mean you don’t like cookies, bra sizes, inseam measurements, Peen St., last meals, trains, or the teaching profession?
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 17, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
I haven't been this excited about the Reds since Hernandez hit the home run on opening day!
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The Reds have no money
And just acquired Matt Fucking Latos
by DerekH91 on Dec 17, 2011 1:28 PM EST reply actions 11 recs
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
That’s all for now
Dirt Bikes!
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Dec 17, 2011 1:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Mobile rec'd
It feels so nice to be back to normal
by nycredsfan on Dec 17, 2011 2:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
win
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 19, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
he's got a delivery much, much similar to Bailey, I think.
Only he’s actually fucking awesome.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 17, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
Starting to come together...
TroyRenck Troy Renck, Rockies
Told by source that edinson Volquez going in trade to padres
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
does that mean the Padres are adding salary for this trade?
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Volquez won't make much next year, I doubt it
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Dec 17, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
i thought his pay can only be reduced by 25%
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fucking win/win!
The Pads counted him as a valuable part of the trade, and we don’t have to watch him blow the fuck up for us anymore!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 17, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
Also, that's a Denver beat writer and is completely unconfirmed
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Dec 17, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
YES
when everybody is around and we're swinging for long bombs away, how do we come around to know - man, this really is what it's for?
I love carpet!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 17, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
Voltron is in the deal!!!!
by bringbackthemayor on Dec 17, 2011 1:32 PM EST via mobile reply actions
HERE IT IS
Yonder Alonso
Yasmani Grandal
Brad Boxberger
Edinson Volquez
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Dec 17, 2011 1:32 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
From the team
Reds Reds
Reds acquire SD’s Mat Latos for Yonder Alonso, Brad Boxberger, Yasmani Grandal and Edinson Volquez.
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Dec 17, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
What an awesome deal
this rocks. I’ll miss Yonder though.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
IN A FUCKING HEARTBEAT!
WALTER I LUUUUUUUUVVV YOUUUUUUUU!!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 17, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
/dougies
We're all mad. I'm mad. You're mad. Otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.
by chesirecat on Dec 17, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
MAT FUCKING LATOS.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 17, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
Latos is a legit ace
Boxberger had a closer ceiling.
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Hmm
Masset, Bray, Ondrusek, and Arredondo are all solid relievers.
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Closer doesn't matter if you don't have a starting pitcher to put you in a position to win.
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look purely at Coco's stats from last year,
and you won’t “see closer anywhere there” either.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 17, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
uh.....CoCo wasn't bad last year
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I know, that's my point.
If you just check his stats, his stats don’t scream “closer” at all…low K/9, etc.
But he was plenty effective, just like I think someone else not named Boxy can be.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 17, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
we got latos we got latos we got latos
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LeCure is a closer waiting to be born.
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 18, 2011 2:52 AM EST up reply actions
Well if Sam's son throws 10 MPH harder than Sam
you may be right.
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Since when are YOU a radar gun whore?
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 18, 2011 3:18 AM EST up reply actions
there are plenty.
We kinda needed an ace, too.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 17, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
projected w/ a 4.00 ERA next year.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 17, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
Mhm
projections are great
Cingrani for 2012 Closer!
by OGC Reds on Dec 17, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i think this is hilarious
this was expert trolling, ogc. well done
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
I see you trollin', you hatin'....
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Closers are infinitely easier to find/make than an ace
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Petey needs to win a prize
when the rumors first came up he predicted Alonso, Grandal, Boxberger, and I think Wood.
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 19, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
he was pretty damn close to being accurate
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sounds like participation ribbon / medal
or gold star or cookie territory to me
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2011 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
atomic / nuclear weaponry
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2011 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
I think that was someone else.
Or I was so high I don’t remember.
#50/50
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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 20, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
it's like we traded Josh Hamilton for Mat Latos!
Except not really because it cost us 3 other first round picks.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 17, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
Leatherpants is calling it the most lopsided trade in histry, favoring the Padres.
Shucks – we just got one of the best starting pitchers in the game and shed payroll doing it?
schwing!
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 18, 2011 2:53 AM EST up reply actions
he does remember trading David Wells for Eric Ownes, right?
Or when he got Roberto Kelly for Paul ONEIL?
Or what about when he left Trevor Hoffman unprotected
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Jim Bowden is just a Douchey McDouchebag.
He’s just jealous he never actually thought of a GOOD trade.
"Red Reporter - An elitist clique full of like-minded douchebags." - BK
O'Niel for Kelly was awesome!
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2012 Rotation: Cueto Latos Leake Arroyo Bailey?
With Wood in AAA and Chapman coming up when he’s ready to start?
I feel like we have room to make another trade if anybody’s looking for Bailey or Wood in exchange for a decent righty bat or a closer.
they need an ace, maybe they'd go for it.
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
This one's a good acronym too: C BALL
Cincinnati Baseball.
Is there a mod so powerful he can ban himself?
by andromache on Dec 17, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
More dependable than HAVOC?
I sure hope so.
by the finest muffins on Dec 17, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty sure that "don't play on Yom Kippur" trick only works once a year
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
I'd rather have Chapman starting than Arroyo or Bailey.
Hopefully Bailey will be part of our forthcoming Jair Jurjens trade. :)
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 18, 2011 2:54 AM EST up reply actions
I think I might almost prefer Bailey to Jurrjens
I really really think he is a disaster waiting to happen
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
Bailey is a disaster who has already happened!
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 19, 2011 12:52 AM EST up reply actions
So this means that Heisey's getting a legit shot at LF, it would seem.
Which complementary bat is out there that would make sense?
I’m guessing that END will continue to be the lefty off the bench, and since Heisey actually hits RHP much better than LHP, it would make me think they’ll be after a RH bench bat who can play LF. Also, since we still need a closer, it’s likely they’ll be seriously bargain shopping so as to not use all the payroll space remaining (a backup SS is needed, too.)
DeRosa? Mike Cameron? Andruw Jones? Vlad??
GOMES??!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 17, 2011 1:39 PM EST reply actions
Like I said above, Seth Smith would be awesome
I don’t know what the Rox would want, but it shouldn’t be a lot
he hits LH though.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 17, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
we're gettin' the band back together!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 17, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i wouldn't be surprised if they go for a hitter as well
or I wouldn’t mind Jurrjens to provide added depth.
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i miss fuckyeahnouns
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 19, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
It was a picture of a penus?
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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 18, 2011 2:55 AM EST up reply actions
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Praise Jah!
And Walt!!
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Dec 17, 2011 1:40 PM EST reply actions
PARADE RAINER!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 17, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
he is 24, throws hard, and over the last two years has struck out a batter per inning
and he has solid command.
Brenda ruins everything.
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He's 23 with amazing peripherals.
8.5 K/9, 2.5 BB/9.
He’s not a free agent until 2016.
This is exactly the kind of guy we needed to get. We can’t afford Roy Halladay. They now need to sign him long term. Lock up Latos, Cueto, Joey and Jay, and we’re on our way.
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
Latos, Cueto, Joey and Jay?
They sound like the Bobbsey Twins.
by the finest muffins on Dec 17, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
i love this
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 19, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
High strikeouts, team control for 4 seasons
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by BK on Dec 17, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
but he has a sub .500 record
obwok’d
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Do you really have to jab at people right now? Be happy, the Reds made a great move.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I'm feeling a bit like obc now
I don’t mean it in a negative way either. I just don’t want to get all that carried away just yet. I’m not blown away by his numbers. He seems a lot like Jay Bruce to me. Young and potentially a stud, but just not one yet.
by Brendanukkah on Dec 17, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
that's totally understandable, and a part of me is in that camp, too.
I guess what’s got me so dang excited is that Walt is at least moving in the right direction, and he’s doing things that a lot of people around these parts have been begging for for years.
It’s not like there were a lot of bona fide aces out there to be had, either, and the ones that were available (Shields, for instance) had many of the same question marks as Latos, but were also a lot older and a lot more expensive.
It might blow up in our faces, but especially in the wake of the destructive inactivity of last offseason this move just seems to be a real breath of fresh air.
I would keep going with this post, but I can’t think of any more colloquialisms or euphemisms to use, so I’m going to have to throw in the towel and ride off in the sunset.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 17, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
He's easily one of the 10 best pitchers in the NL.
In front of this defense I think he could post a sub-3 ERA.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
by nycredsfan on Dec 17, 2011 2:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
agreed
my only fear is his health, and i fear for every pitcher’s health.
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Cueto did it!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 17, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
ohh, gotcha.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 17, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
Look at his numbers the last 2 years, and his age.
I’d say he’s easily a top 10 pitcher in the NL
It feels so nice to be back to normal
Pads fans are not happy.
http://www.gaslampball.com/2011/12/17/2642856/latos-traded-to-reds
Be nice. We’ve been there before.
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
hahaha, where you at guayzimi? This is funny.
2008 1st round pick
2009 1st round pick
2010 1st round pick
The guy they got for Hamilton
for an 11th round pick.
by guayzimi on Dec 17, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Yeah, I saw that
You know, Pujols was drafted in the 13th round. So clearly he sucks.
by ams78 on Dec 17, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I wasn't saying it's a bad trade...
just interesting how one 11th round pick can be parlayed into a boatload of high end talent.
Sign Roy O
Of all the pro sports, draft position means the least in MLB, you know that
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Not sure I agree with this...
the mlb leader boards are mostly first and second round talents.
Latos was considered a first round talent iirc…
Sign Roy O
Signability also affects MLB draft prospects more than any other sport as well, you know that too
And if Latos was considered a first round talent, why point out that he was an 11th round pick?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
The Padres turned an 11th round pick and a million bucks...
into a ton of talent. I thought that was remarkable.
Sign Roy O
The Reds paid a lot, no doubt
But given the situation they’re in, this was a great deal.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
he was, by all counts, the blue light special at the jerk store.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Latos was an 11th-rounder because
of signability concerns. He was part of the old draft and follow process. Jordan Walden was in the same situation that year. Latos’ talent was considered first round by some.
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Dec 17, 2011 2:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
you don't have to be nice to the Cardinals fans
at least as far as I’m concerned.
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
It seems even to me...
three really good prospects and an upside reclamation project is more than the Royals got for Greinke or the Rays got for Garza.
But then Latos is more valuable than Garza or Greinke.
Sign Roy O
You have to factor in that Alonso and Grandal were blocked, that's the kicker
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Of course it is, do you think the other 29 teams don't know that Joey Votto and Devin Mesoraco are Cincinnati Reds?
Also, it’s easier to give somebody five bucks when you know you have a five in your other pocket.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Dec 17, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
There are enough teams interested in acquiring those guys though...
the fact that the Reds don’t need them doesn’t come into play.
Sign Roy O
That is dumb and not true
It feels so nice to be back to normal
by nycredsfan on Dec 17, 2011 2:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
The team that a player is on represents one team the player could play for...
As it happens, Alonso and Grandal couldn’t play for the Reds because of redundancy. There were still lots of teams that could use them and had a top shelf pitcher to offer – the Mariners, Padres, Cubs, Rays, A’s… That’s more than enough teams to maximize Alonso and Grandal’s value. If there were only one or two teams that matched up with the Reds, then the Reds not being able to play them would move the needle. But the difference between having five teams interested in them and having six is nothing.
Sign Roy O
Yossi?
is that you?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
I am not a fucking Cardinal fan
asshole
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 19, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
such hostility from you lately
woosah brah, woosah
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2011 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, much cheaper.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 17, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
and their most recent front page story is asking how anyone could defend teh Padre's ownership.
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There are many other teams I would have rather fleeced than the Padres.
They’ve never hurt anyone, and it’s a really nice town.
However, none of those other teams had Mat Latos.
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
I don't think we "fleeced" them
we gave up parts that we didn’t need. This could end up being a win-win, but right now it’s most definitely a win for the Reds
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
I guess the Padres are in long term rebuilding mode
and they would rather have 3 players who could be great, than one player who is great.
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Yeah, they shouldn't be thrilled
Alonso and Grandal should be great, but Latos was cheap and team controlled for 4 more years
i wonder if the Padres look at hitting prospects the way we look at pitchers
anyone with decent abilities can survive pitching in that environment, but they need to stack their line up with hitters.
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to their credit
I do think Volquez will look much, much better pitching in parks like Petco and SF. With Maybin in CF and their home park, he very well could be a real bargain pickup for them.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 17, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
I agree, Volquez could do real damage there
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
that's probably what they were thinking.
I mean, if he can go 9-14 with a 4ish ERA for them (and not be terribly expensive for 2 more years), at least they got something within a reasonable comp of Latos…plus Yonder and Grandal, both of who will be great gap to gap hitters there.
Throw in Boxy and I think they’ll be just fine.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 17, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, nobody got fleeced in this deal
a ton of talent is heading to San Diego
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
+1
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 19, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Remember when the debate was whether to pick Smoak or Alonso?
I’d say we chose wisely.
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
Except for the fact
that Smoak landed the Rangers Cliff Lee.
by DantesWitness on Dec 17, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
for half a season.
I’ll take 4 years of Latos over 1/2 a season of Lee.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 17, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
Not arguing which has greater long-term value...
just suggesting that it worked out on both ends.
by DantesWitness on Dec 17, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
This is a terribel, short sighted acquisition...Christ on a hubcap Walt.
A one year reprieve for Votto…as he will be gone after next year…Losing Alonso is a terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible deal.
Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
yes... but... this one goes to a Latos
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by bbjones on Dec 17, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Neftali Soto? David Vidal?
We’ve got some prospects.
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Really mads?
We aquired great starting pitching, It’s a good thing. Rolen can play first base for all I care. So could Bruce if you wanted.
I BLEED RED
This guy had what one good year?
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/an-ode-to-mat-latos/
You don’t give up a guy who has the ability to hit with power like Yonder..we’ll have to trade Votto next year to get anything for him. I think we’ll be thinking Josh Hamilton in about a year or two when Alonso breaks out with a45HR, 110RBI, 300 OPB..and we can’t expect Scott Rolen to play 1st base for more than 90 games …and no one, not even Dusty Baker would take the NL premier defensive RF Jay Bruce and p[ut him on 1st base. This deal at best is a hop and prayer, a shot in the dark.
Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
by one year you mean two years
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And by 2 years you mean his entire MLB career thus far
And look at his minors numbers too. Dude has always been a stud.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
by nycredsfan on Dec 17, 2011 2:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm confused. He's RH and throws faster than 88.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
by nycredsfan on Dec 17, 2011 3:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 5 recs
yup
just almost coughed to death with Diet Cherry Mr. Pibb going down the wrong pipe..
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
I'll take a picture of the machines next time I'm at Five Guys
they are these newer Coke Machines (insert blow joke here) where you have your main Coke brand / flavor / offering (Sprite, Coke, Diet Coke, Coke Zero, Mr. Pibb, etc) and then today I pushed Diet Mr. Pibb and my options were regular, Cherry or Cherry Vanilla.
Most of the others this way. I’m usually a Coke Zero kinda guy, or Sprite Zero kinda guy. Each of those has about at least 6 flavors each.
I’ve seen a lot of them popping up recently, and supposedly they are $30-35K per machine. They would be a perfect mancave addition.
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
Iiiiinteresting.
7-11 has something like that. It tends to give too much cherry flavor, though, in my opinion.
by the finest muffins on Dec 17, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
i've found it varies by the drink
the mr. pibb today was very cherry
my normal cherry coke zero is spot on
but the cherry vanilla anything, usually amazing, unless it’s gone flat, which I’ve run into a few times
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, those machines are sweet.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
I'm gonna start setting aside extra money in my IRA and 401K for one
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
They have those at Firehouse Subs here
It’s pretty fucking nifty
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Dec 17, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Moe's too
and yes, I know Moe’s has nothing on Qdoba/Chipotle.
Shower me with hate, RR.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
Moe's isn't horrible
I’ve been arguing for a while that Hot Head is in Chipotle’s class though. Not better, but as good.
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by BK on Dec 17, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
Qdoba > Chipotle in my opinion
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Ooookay, that's clearly wrong
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by BK on Dec 17, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Enough about burritos!!
We got MAT LATOS!!!!!
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by bbjones on Dec 17, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What is the rest of this thread about?
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Qdoba does have unparalleled variety, and I don't think that is mentioned enough.
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by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
Chipotle>Qdoba>Taco Bell>Moe's.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 17, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
this is correct
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2011 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
I honestly think Chipotle gets way too much credit for their organic produce and stuff.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
i honestly don't care about organic produce
i just think their food tastes much better than the competitors
I think it tastes better too, but there are things I like better about Qdoba.
For one, Qdoba’s fiery habanero salsa is much more flavorful than any of Chipotle’s salsas.
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by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
i only put the corn salsa on the burrito bowl
qdoba can’t compete with that.
also, chipotles chips are a ton better than qdobas & the green salsa is delicious
Have you ever had the fiery habanero?
What you say is true, and Chipotle does now offer the brown rice, which I love. Both places’ guac are way overrated though.
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by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
2 dollar up charge on guac keeps me from ordering it
i had the brown rice for the first time last night. i liked it quite a bit.
I just had the brown rice for the first time
I’ll probably get it again
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by BK on Dec 18, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
The habenero salsa and the bbq sauce make me a fan of Qdoba.
As a concept, when executed correctly, Qdoba is delicious. However, Qdoba has poor quality control compared to Chipotle. Chipotle is almost universally consistent whereas there are good Qdobas and turrible ones.
This is a definite plus
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by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
Steak is the 4th best meat at Chipotle
/newargument
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by BK on Dec 17, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
Barbacoa then carnitas then chicken?
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by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure how I'd rank the top 3, but I know that their steak is 4th
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by BK on Dec 17, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
Bonus points to Chipotle though for being the first
to have carnitas on the menu
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by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
wrong
screw all the other options..
you should always order your burrito bowl half chicken & half steak.
you get double meat for regular price!
Has anyone been man enough to try
the quesadilla burrito at Chipotle? Funnily enough, the girl who told me about it weighs about 100 lbs soaking wet.
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by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know what that is, but it sounds promising
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by BK on Dec 17, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
According to legend, it's a burrito that uses
a cheese quesadilla instead of a plain tortilla.
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by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
That sounds messy, and I don't have enough faith in anyone that works at a local Chipotle to be able to make it
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by BK on Dec 17, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
I especially concur with the second part.
They use to make nachos by request, but they stopped doing it for me a long time ago.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
they refuse to do it?
you should contact corporate. it is chipotle’s corporate policy to make anything ordered that they have the ingredients for.
Refuse is a bit strong, but
they say that they don’t have/can’t make nachos. something along those lines
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
How do they have ingredients for nachos, though?
I’ve never seen a Chipotle with nacho cheese.
Oh yeah, and this thread has highly influenced my dinner selection for this evening.
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by BK on Dec 17, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
Just put the shredded cheese on there.
I don’t need nacho cheese.
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by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
Though that does remind me of
how much I like Qdoba’s queso.
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by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
That's the only good thing about them.
Well, and the brownies and Vanilla Coke.
Everything else they have tastes like soggy paper.
Go Colts Dammit!
I wonder if Qdoba would do it.
They have good quesadillas, and I find their service is better than Chipotle’s, at least where I live.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
who orders steak at Chipotle?
carnitas, barbacoa, chicken..
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2011 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
wrong, wrong, wrong.
Steak, Barbacoa, Chicken, Carnitas.
"Red Reporter - An elitist clique full of like-minded douchebags." - BK
i hear that unmistakable sound off in the distance
it would be the failhorn
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2011 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
Well, you do hear it a lot.
/sickburn’d
"Red Reporter - An elitist clique full of like-minded douchebags." - BK
it's off in the distance..
which mean it’s not at my doorstep, which mean it has nothing to do with me..
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 18, 2011 1:20 AM EST up reply actions
You're right about the habanero and the bbq sauce
love both of those. Qdoba’s breakfast burrito is good, too.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
Therein lies the problem with Qdoba
Since they’re all individually owned, not all of them serve breakfast.
I f***ing love chorizo.
Get their breakfast if you get a chance.
I almost always get the huevos con chorizo at a sit down Mexican restaurant at lunch.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
Trader Joe's has soy chorizo
it’s the most delicious thing of all the dleicious things in the world.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Dec 17, 2011 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
breakfast burritos are good in general
I wish my work cafeteria had them
I keep spamming their email suggestion box with it, and at least once a month get a response basically telling me to pound sand
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2011 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
Breakfast burritos are awesome
But I think breakfast pizza might be better, when executed correctly. And that’s wtih gravy as the sauce, and egg, bacon, and sausage as the topping with cheese.
/Gilly’s’d
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by BK on Dec 17, 2011 6:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
gravy..
not sure how I feel about that..
the rest sounds delicious, however
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2011 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
I'm intrigued, I've never had that.
I’m generally not a fan of breakfast burritos or breakfast sandwiches. But I had a really amazing BBrieLT for breakfast today. With some killer german potato salad.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Dec 17, 2011 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
Their breakfast pizza is serious business, I'm telling you
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
instead of burgers and beer next time..
breakfast pizza and some kind of beverage!!
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 18, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
I wish I still had a work cafeteria
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
ours makes the best buffalo chicken wraps on Monday
and their soups / bisques / chowders are surprisingly good
the rest of their stuff is very hit or miss
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 18, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
The cafe at Toyota was pretty awesome, seeing as I like Asian food
Their burgers and wraps were meh, but they made a killer quesadilla.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
every Tuesday we have a place come in and make sushi
but it’s not even the best sushi place in Bloomfield..
I don’t get it..
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 18, 2011 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
Hot Head blows away the competition when it comes to sauces
I fully expect it to take business away from Qdoba
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by BK on Dec 17, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
I'd really like to try it, but there aren't any locations nearby.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
There aren't many here either
There’s one a block away from my house and they opened up one in Mason recently
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by BK on Dec 17, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
I live in central Kentucky
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
It's a Dayton business
So you know it’s good!
by Brendanukkah on Dec 17, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
I only get chicken there
I will admit that the quality isn’t as good as Chipotle, but it’s better than Moe’s (in my experiences)
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Dec 17, 2011 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
I should have read this before commenting
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2011 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
couldn't care about that noise..
their carnitas is just better than whatever other pork offerings the competition has
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2011 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
in what universe?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2011 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
in what universe does?
Qdoba > Chipotle > Moe’s?
C > Q > M, and that ain’t even close
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 18, 2011 7:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
there are billions of universes potentially
for all we know the universe we think we live in with this consciousness is the outlier in the >Q>M therom.
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 19, 2011 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
so basically this just turned into Total Recall?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2011 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
I saw that
but with the whole Yossi statement, it’s there too
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
this is correct
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2011 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
i'm sorry..
what did you say?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2011 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
No Hot Head in Lexington
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
welcome to moe's!
fuck you, i’m leaving
by 'tHan on Dec 17, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
free does not always taste better
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2011 7:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Moe's has a new thing, well maybe not so new
but it’s just like Taco Bell’s crunchwrap supreme
and it’s delicious
and their queso sauce stuff, also delcious
the rest of it, turrible
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
I love Firehouse Subs.
Please tell me that everyone else feels the same way.
Oh, and those machines are fucking ridiculous.
Overpriced, but it's ok
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
Fair enough
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
So true.
Everyone should learn how to cook! And bake from scratch!
by the finest muffins on Dec 17, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
I really don't think it's that cost effective to cook for one.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
that is true
usually when i cook for myself, something ends up getting thrown out.
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It's one thing if it's a sandwich, but if I make an actual meal it usually costs
as much as going out. They don’t sell vegetables in individual size haha
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by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
But you don't need to cook them all at once!
I can make an eggplant last 4 meals, an onion last 2 weeks, a bag of kale last for a week.
by the finest muffins on Dec 17, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
Onions do last a long time
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
I can make an eggplant go straight into the trash can.
Seriously, it’s the only place they belong.
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I like other's egg plant
i haven’t had much success with it on my own.
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BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
I have eggplant with pretty much every meal.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Dec 17, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
"Difficult takes a day, an onion takes two weeks."
I eat too much, myself. I go through 2 eggplants, 2 bags of kale, a week. I have half an onion for each meal. I have a big appetitie.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Dec 17, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
You guys are probably really gassy
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I don't feel like doing the research to prove it
but I think you’re wrong. Ingredients are generally cheaper than pre-made food. Besides, I don’t think you’re taking into account leftovers, which are awesome.
by the finest muffins on Dec 17, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
I haven't done the research either
and I do love leftovers.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
same
there is lots of meat I have to eat the first time it is prepared, left overs just don’t do it.
Now left over fried chicken is food for the Gods.
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Any kind of chili or stew is good leftover
I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
Chili is usually better the next day
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
i made chili tonight
still simmering on the stove
let’s find out how it turns out
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
and brisket.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Dec 17, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
so what ya do is..
make meals on say monday and tuesday, have leftovers..
wednesday you figure out something to do with all the leftovers, usually creating a new meal..
ain’t rocket science
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
I can't say that I've ever been
national chain?
and seriously, 1/3/12, I’m dedicating funds in my IRA and 401K towards one of those machines
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2011 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
Local chain, I'm pretty sure
It’s like a better Quizno’s
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by BK on Dec 17, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, b/c a better Quizno's is a hard thing
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
It's becoming a national chain, I think.
It started down in Florida and Ohio was somehow its second stop.
There's at least one in Lexington
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 18, 2011 12:42 AM EST up reply actions
There's one or two in Louisville.
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the best part about them up here?
i’ve found them all at my favorite burger joints i frequent
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
I know a guy that turned a vending machine into dispensing beer cans.
That’s pretty cool.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Dec 17, 2011 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
this is why letting Maloney go really stings
Maloney would have balanced out Latos, for an awesome 1-2 punch.
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This needed green-ing.
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by rorschach1979 on Dec 17, 2011 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
i agree that it was the wrong move
the right move was to move votto & have yonder at first for years to come.
however, if walt was 100% not trading votto, i’m content with this move
by 'tHan on Dec 17, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know if the Padres would have accepted Votto for Latos.
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no, like i said the other day votto wasn't a fit for san diego
i wasn’t talking about this trade specifically
Latos is probably the best pitcher we could get though.
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There're about three pitchers we could have gotten
in terms of pure pitching ability they are about equal, but Latos was probably the most valuable
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
I was just asking who the three others he thought were
Believe me, I’d take Latos over everyone I just mentioned
I disagree
Latos has more pure pitching ability than any of the other guys discussed this offseason, and I don’t think it’s particularly close.
I’m not kidding when I say that the only pitchers in baseball I’d prefer over the next 4 years are Felix, Kershaw and Verlander.
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-KevinMitchellisBatman
I honestly think I'd take Roy Halladay, too, if we are ignoring contracts.
Not to mention Jered Weaver, and I’m sure there are other guys.
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by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
there might be
but there’s not 20 other guys.
Latos is a top 20 pitcher in MLB, probably. That puts him even higher in the NL.
Put is this way: who was the last Reds pitcher as good as Latos? Harnish? Rijo?
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Maybe 2006/2007 Harang
but yeah outside Harang, Schoureck in 1995, and Rijo were the last real dominant pitchers the Reds had.
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about to say, Harang is the correct answer.
And probably Schourek (!!!) before.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Dec 17, 2011 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
although Pete Harnish was kinda acy, he just wasn't flash
in 1998 he threw 209 innings with a 3.14 ERA, and in 1999 he threw 198.1 innings with an ERA of 3.68.
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Hallady will be 38 4 years from now.
I see the argument, but I’d go with Latos.
Latos has a better career K-rate (by almost a full strikeout per 9), better career HR rate, and a BB rate within 0.4 BB/9 compared to Weaver, plus he’s 5 years younger. Latos can still get better. Weaver is what he is. I’d take Latos over Weaver, no doubt in my mind.
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I have nothing to base this on
but Halladay feels like one of those guys, like Randy Johnson or Greg Maddux, who will still be a beast when he is 38, and people will not even really think about his age.
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Barring catastrophic injury, there is no reason to think that Halladay will fall off a cliff.
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by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
Well, there is one reason.
Baseball history.
Halladay’s 10 most comparable pitchers through age 34 averaged 580 innings and a 3.81ERA through the rest of their careers, and only 2 of them pitched over 900 innings past their age 34 season.
You could certainly make a great argument for Halladay given his past performance. But, given the history of pitchers, I’ll take the guy who’s 10 years younger.
"Bitch slap your goldfish folks, we're all screwed."
-KevinMitchellisBatman
Hubbell and Bunning played in an era with more primitive medical technology and players faded faster.
Gooden accumulated all of his value during his youth whereas Halladay is better now than he’s ever been. Ditto Saberhagen. Tim Hudson is still playing and has only logged one (good) season past age 34. Roy Halladay is demonstrably better than Pettitte, Candelaria, and Welch. Kevin Brown and Mike Mussina were good past age 34.
The problem with B-R’s similarity scores is it compares raw counting stats and it doesn’t take into account a aging curve. Though these players had similar totals, they accumulated them in much different ways.
I’d be much more interested in how pitchers similar in value to Halladay during their 31-34 seasons aged.
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by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
I only used the retired players in determining averages...
So Hudson isn’t in there.
Welch had an 81 ERA+ in 359IP in his career after age 34. Mussina pitched a while, 894IP, but only posted a 4.14 ERA (107ERA+) after age 34, and it was worse (4.36 ERA, 102ERA+) in his age 35-38 seasons. His swan song in ’08 makes it look better. Of your 3 examples of guys who were good past age 34, only Brown really pitched well (359 IP, 127ERA+).
You have to look at Halladay as having a better-than-average chance of maintaining his performance late into his career, as you noted, because of the career arc we’ve seen so far. And, if you’d take Halladay over Latos for the next 4 years, I couldn’t argue. But, the performance of pitchers, even good ones, past age 34 is spotty, at best. I think there’s a good argument to be made for the 24-year-old if I’m presented with that choice.
"Bitch slap your goldfish folks, we're all screwed."
-KevinMitchellisBatman
Browns numbers
Screwed that up. He was 825IP (not 359) at 127 ERA+. I was looking at Welch’s IP numbers when I was typing Brown’s line. The point stands, however.
"Bitch slap your goldfish folks, we're all screwed."
-KevinMitchellisBatman
I just don't these pitchers are very comparable to Halladay at ages 31-34 though.
That’s what I’m interested in. I’ll try to look it up later. If similar pitchers to Halladay at ages 31-34 age poorly then I’ll buy it.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
Kuroda.
Hey…can we still sign Kuroda, since we shed salary today?!?
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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 18, 2011 3:05 AM EST up reply actions
I would add Hamels, Weaver, Haren, Price, Lester
it’s a short list though
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
I already addressed Weaver
Latos has a better K-rate by a full strikeout per 9IP, a better HR rate, a BB-rate within 0.4 per 9, and he’s 5 years younger. I’ll take Latos.
My initial thought was I’d take Price, too, but in looking closer, I wouldn’t. Same career ERA, Latos’s career WHIP is 0.04 better, and Latos has a better career K/9, BB/9, and HR/9 than Price.
Latos and Hamels are almost identical. 3.39 vs. 3.37 ERA, 8.5K/9 to 8.7, 2.8 career BB/9 to 2.1 (Hamels’s biggest advantage), 0.8 career HR/9 to 1.1 (Latos’s biggest advantage). When it’s that close, give me the guy 4 years younger.
Latos has a better career K-rate, HR-rate and identical BB-rate to Lester, and he’s 4 years younger.
The only thing those guys have over Latos are better teammates. I think a lot of people (not just on this board, but throughout baseball) are underrating just how fucking good Latos has been so far in his career.
"Bitch slap your goldfish folks, we're all screwed."
-KevinMitchellisBatman
Maybe so
but those guys have all put up similar stats for longer periods of time facing tougher competition or tougher environments. Latos is definitely a top pitcher, I just wouldn’t call him a top-5 guy. History might prove you right.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Sure.
It’s also quite likely that most of those guys (if not all of them) have already put up the best seasons they ever will. Latos’s best is almost certainly in front of him.
"Bitch slap your goldfish folks, we're all screwed."
-KevinMitchellisBatman
Why do you say that?
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
Based on what I've read....
Pitchers typically peak about a year or two earlier than hitters, generally in the 25-27 range as opposed to 27-29 for bats.
NL CY Young Winners over the last 6 seasons have been 23, 34, 25, 24, 26, and 27. AL CY winners were 28, 24, 25, 29, 26, and 27, so it matches up pretty well anecdotally.
"Bitch slap your goldfish folks, we're all screwed."
-KevinMitchellisBatman
MGL has found that pitchers are likely to decline every year
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
Ehhh, that sounds flawed.
There’s such a possibilty for injury that it brings down the curve, I think.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Dec 17, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with you. Votto would have brought an absolute haul.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
I can't imagine why you would trade your MVP best player in the last 10 years
Alonso is nowhere near Votto’s skill level. It seems like just starting the rebuilding process again.
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I get it
The Reds would still have 5-6 years of team control over Alonso, rather than just 2 of Votto.
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But Votto's arguably the most popular player on the team.
Why would you destroy fans’ goodwill like that?
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Fans care more about winning than players
If the Reds trade Votto and they win the fans will still show up in numbers. Fans are more likely to show up and watch the Reds win without Votto than watch them lose with Votto.
Really the only time trading a player destroys goodwill is when it makes a bad team worse.
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It is far, far, far from a sure thing
that they could’ve increased their chances of winning in 2012 by trading Votto.
In fact, I’d bet the opposite. They could’ve set themselves up beautifully for 2014 maybe.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
you are probably right
unless there was a pitcher who the only way the Reds could get him was Votto.
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That's why I hate the "Trade Votto" talk.
It postpones the chance of winning something. If we trade Votto, Alonso may be a star in two years, or he may not. Why not try to win with the stars that we have. The days of the BRM-type dynasty are over (unless you have billions of dollars to spend ala the Steinbrenners). But, if you’ve got a shot to bring a World Series title to your city (with one of the best players in team history) and you have to give up a couple young prospects to do it, then you’ve got to, IMO.
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Rec'd for perfectly summing up my thoughts
We're all mad. I'm mad. You're mad. Otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.
Are you hypotheticalizing?
You’d have Walt trade Joey Votto?
With attendance and winning percentage dropping since the little division championship two years ago?
In the offseason with Pujols and Fielder available as free agents?
How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Dec 17, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, if the team wins, people will come. It doesn't matter if it's Joey Votto or Yonder Alonso at first base.
Votto is more valuable as a trade chip than either one given his contract. Plus, he’s a better player straight up than Fielder.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not saying he's not better than Pujols.
I’m saying if you’re gonna be foolish enough to trade Joey Votto while trying to convince your team’s fans that you’l be better because of it, don’t try to do it when the market is not in your favor.
Or.. just don’t do it.
How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Dec 17, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
The market is in our favor though
Votto is due $26.5MM over the next two years, or basically one year of Pujols. A team with prospects to spare or a win-now mentality would have provided a healthy package of players, and avoided a long term commitment to Pujols/Fielder. Not to mention that you are basically winning negotiation rights to Votto. The Blue Jays would seem to be a perfect fit for this scenario.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Which means that neither are the Angels.
How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Dec 17, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
The Angels don't have the prospects to make a deal for Votto.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
This is way wrong
Bourjos, Mike Trout(!), Jean Segura, Chatwood, Jordan Walden; they’ve got a nice system.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Pujols for Votto
Straight up.
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
Wow, you're right. I was totally offbase with that comment.
I don’t think there’s anyway they part with Trout though.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
I really didn't mean to jump the gun like that, but I wasn't thinking.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
either way, prospects aren't what i was hoping for in trading votto
with yonder & mesoraco, you already had prospects.
trading votto would have been for a top of the rotation starter and/or a left fielder
check
and when Walt gets Seth Smith, check.
And look! Votto’s still here! a Festivus Miracle!!
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
But a team that trades for Votto is looking to win now
which means they aren’t trading you their TOR starter or very good LFer.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
wrong!
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 19, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
To be fair, I didnt actually use the F word
4 years of a legit #1/2 starter. How could you not like that?
It feels so nice to be back to normal
by nycredsfan on Dec 17, 2011 2:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
he was not too happy that Walt did not consult the 'creds travel agency prior to announcing the deal
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
Think about 2014
Latos
Cueto
Chapman
Leake
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yes, have some.
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x
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 17, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Great job here, EP!
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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 18, 2011 3:19 AM EST up reply actions
I know
I was really proud of this, my greatness is wasted on most.
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New tag line for yourself. :)
this post has some syntax and apostrophe issues - jutsin
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 20, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure if serious...
It feels so nice to be back to normal
by nycredsfan on Dec 17, 2011 2:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
We have him until 2016
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by BK on Dec 17, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
Teams control players for six years, you can't explain that!
Is there a mod so powerful he can ban himself?
by andromache on Dec 17, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
pst, he's trolling
Has been all thread.
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I'm actually very impressed with his trolling abilities
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
he is the Reds 2011 closer!
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Hey Look, RRs!
You can run an MLB team just as well as Walt Jocketty!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 17, 2011 1:56 PM EST reply actions
WALT'S A LURKER!
Oh, perhaps more surprising, WALT IS A COMMENTER!
And if he’s a commenter, he’s more likely than not a Mod!
OH MY GOD, WALT RUNS OUR SITE
Kevin Mitchell is WALT!
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
I WOKE UP WITH A BONER
AND NOW I KNOW WHY
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
by UncleWeez on Dec 17, 2011 1:57 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
In a Rodney Dangerfield voice
HEY EVERYBODY, WE’RE ALL GONNA GET LATOS!!!
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 17, 2011 1:58 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
I don't know why this isn't green.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Dec 17, 2011 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
My option on Latos
From what I can tell, both teams made out very well. Good signs of a good trade.
Padres turned an 11th round draft into two first rounders and two minor guys.
Reds have control over Latos for a good 4 years and shed like 5 million from the payroll.
I BLEED RED
holy cow
I hadn’t thought that this actually reduces payroll!!! that’s awesome!
Now, who we gonna sign?
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x
when everybody is around and we're swinging for long bombs away, how do we come around to know - man, this really is what it's for?
Since I don't want to crunch the numbers, how does the money pan out?
Would the Reds save enough to, maybe, have some hope for signing Joey?
by manichedgehog on Dec 17, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
doubtful, that's going to be a LOT of money
And Latos will get some huge raises in arb when he wins back to back Cy Young Awards.
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we will look him up to a 5 year deal before that!
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"Hi, Reds fans! Wow! You guys have a parade for Opening Day?! Man, this is gonna be great!"
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Dec 17, 2011 2:04 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
That's an interesting tattoo he's got there
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
his wife likes it.
so it’s OK by me.
Lucky fucker!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 17, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
Cut away, that arm's just there for decoration anyway
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Yep. That's a tattoo.
Let’s talk about his strikeout rate or something.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Dec 17, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
wow, you'd think he would've gotten better ink for the money he makes
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
This does fit my whole "San Diego is some weird Baseball Frankenstein team" theory, expressed below
“I removed this hand from Kevin Brown’s body, and have attached it to the arm of Mat Latos with exactly 108 stitches!”
by Brendanukkah on Dec 17, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
I ran that movie at the Kon Tiki in 1991.
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 18, 2011 3:24 AM EST up reply actions
he looks like Jay Bruce's evil twin.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Dec 17, 2011 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, not here for trouble.
But something to remember is that Latos is coming from a very friendly pitchers park and now he is going to a hitters park. Keep that in mind. You guys got a good pitcher but you guys gave up a lot for him. I hope it all works out.
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don't muddle the argument with facts!
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Guess I didnt realize he was better on the road.
Also, consider he was going against the NL West. Its not that hard when you play teams like ours out here.
63 today, 62 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
Yeah, he's gonna have a lot of trouble with the Astros and the Pirates
NL West winning % in 2011 (excluding the Padres): .518
NL Central winning % in 2011(excluding the Reds): .475
So, he’s going to an easier division.
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by BK on Dec 17, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
His OPS against on the road is virtually identical to at home
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by BK on Dec 17, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
No trouble taken!
I mean, right now all of us think he’s going to go 25-2 with a 1.58 ERA. He probably won’t, and some people will be disappointed. But hey look! It’s a pitcher! He has a k/9 rate!
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Dec 17, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
party pooper!
He’s not going to lose BOTH of those games.
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
Think Latos is thinking
all fuck, of all the teams i could be traded to it is a team that plays half it games in GABP…
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Teh Fya's greatest typo of all time:
Jocketty: “It was definitely a tough decision. Everyone of those players was impotent to organization.” #reds
by ams78 on Dec 17, 2011 2:08 PM EST reply actions 11 recs
i gotta think Fay did that one on purpose.
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Probably in reference to Volquez's fertility treatments
by Brendanukkah on Dec 17, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
i see what you did there
Brevity is the soul of wit.
You don't know that was a typo.
Can’t you see that sly fox Walter Jocketty saying something like that?
by the finest muffins on Dec 17, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
/crosses arms
/nods in beat to music.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Dec 17, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
Is it me
Or does giving up Alonso and Grandal plus Boxberger and Volquez seem like a whole lot for a guy who really isn’t an ace?
I think it's a lot of talent
That’s for sure. But Latos is very talented himself, and though he may not be Halladay or CC, he’s still very good, very young, and also very cheap dollar-wise. It’s a whole lot to give up, but it’s not too much.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 17, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
And Latos is MLB prooven talent
Alonso, Grandal, Boxberger, and projected talent, and Volquez is a what the fuck?
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rec'd
for your Volquez statement
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
Put it this way
the Reds got exactly what they were looking for, and gave up (basically) nobody who would have been a regular on the 2012 team.
Did it cost a ton? Yes. Will it pan out? Who knows. What is certain though is that Walt got exactly what he said he was looking for…maybe not an “established” ace, but a young, inexpensive guy who is on his way to being an ace.
Mission accomplished. Now you just have to hope it plays out.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 17, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Right
Now it’s on to priorities #2-4, which are CONSIDERABLY easier to accomplish. Big win, Walter. Now take a breath, get a slug of water, and get the fuck back out there and do it again!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 17, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
water? shit, he deserves at least 7-up or something.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Dec 17, 2011 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
It's a 2 year window
The only one likely to contribute in the next two years was Alonso, and he’s a defensive liability. Not saying he’s worthless but you gotta give something up to get something
You have to give up something to get something.
I’d like the Reds to get an ace for nothing, but that doesn’t happen anymore. I’m willing to give up a lot of talent if he brings back someone who’s young, cheap, and way better than anyone in the current rotation.
yep
the only time you get an ace for nothing is in the draft, or on teh free agent market, and very rarely on the waiver wire or rule 5 draft (See Santana and Shoureck).
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on the free agent market, it's not for nothing
it’s usually an overpay
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Grandal is the only one I'll miss
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
same can be said for the folks upset about losing Alonso
the other two? who’s really missing Boxy or Volquez?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly
it would have been nice to save either Alonso to play left of Grandel for another trade, but Latos is fucking awesome.
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Alonso sucks in LF
He wasn’t gonna stick there.
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He's really the only wildcard.
I feel like we have a pretty good idea of who Alonso, Volquez, and Boxberger are. Grandal’s still projecting a bit.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Dec 17, 2011 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
Bad news guys
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 17, 2011 2:11 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
(pst... it's a running joke.)
"Red Reporter - An elitist clique full of like-minded douchebags." - BK
no worries, just bringing you up to speed!
"Red Reporter - An elitist clique full of like-minded douchebags." - BK
/jokesaremuchfunnierwhenyouexplainthem'd
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by BK on Dec 17, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This is sarcasm.™
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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 18, 2011 3:34 AM EST up reply actions
The most interesting thing about this
is how much money this frees up for the Reds. With Yonder, Grandal, and Volquez off the books, that nets us a savings of $3-3.5 mil or so.
LET’S GET EDWIN JACKSON, TOO!!!!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 17, 2011 2:12 PM EST reply actions
that would actually be pretty awesome
A rotation of Latos, Cueto, Leake, Jackson, and Arroyo would be pretty strong..
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why would Arroyo be in that rotation?
clearly you haven’t been read into “the plan”
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
He will open the year in the rotation because he is owed so much money
mightaswell see if he can bounce back.
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"the plan"
is for something awful to happen to him so he never pitches for the Reds again, or to have him and Clemens become besties and put him on that shit and magically improve.
All or nothing.
We need 2006 – 2010 Arroyo, or else he shouldn’t be a Red anymore
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
If Arroyo can throw 200 innings with an ERA+ over 90 for his reamining seasons in Cincinnati.
I will be satisfied.
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he'll have value as an innings eater for #5
but we just have to ground ourselves and level set right now that if he’s in the rotation every time he gets the ball it’s a bullpen saving day, and that’s it
go into it assuming the L, and rest the other arms that matter
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
hey, anybody else love this typo?
I feel like Arroyo has a lot of reaming in front of him.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Dec 17, 2011 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
it was solid, no doubt
but I can’t imagine how long some of these threads would get if we commented on all of The Yossi’s typos
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 18, 2011 1:22 AM EST up reply actions
They would get pretty log.
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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 18, 2011 3:36 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
pretty log?
that’s Heeringa’s territory
Individuality: Always remember that you are unique. Just like everybody else.
by joshuar9476 on Dec 18, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
the more i think about it
the less i agree. E-Jax tends to leave his mistakes up in the zone, and that wouldn’t bode well for GABP
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I don't think I want Edwin Jackson at all
But that Reggie Saunders fella…
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by BK on Dec 17, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Beltran???
That would be awesome!
by badenjr on Dec 17, 2011 4:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Beltran and Jackson
Imagine that. A rotation of Cueto, Latos, Leake, Jackson, and Arroyo and a lineup of
Phillips
Rolen
Votto
Beltran
Bruce
Stubbs
Meso
Cozart
PITCHER
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either or would be good too
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Perhaps
I think the Reds need to get one more known quantity for their bullpen; but he does not need to be a closer, I like the core of Ondrusek, Masset, Bray, Arredondo, and LeCure, but one more guy would really strengthen that group.
Also I would like to see the Reds either add another starting pitcher, so Bailey and Wood are both supporting cast members, or get a left fielder to go between Votto and Bruce in the line up.
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me too.
I wonder how long of a contract he’s looking for.
I really wanted to trade for Beltran last season, but I’ll take him this offseason, too.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Dec 17, 2011 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
No way they can afford both Jackson and Beltran.
If Walt is telling the truth and they can’t afford Beltran, then they should just save the money and go all in on Votto. Sappelt and Heisey will be fine in LF.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
They couldn't afford Willingham, why does anyone here think they'd be able to afford Beltran?
This is fucking silly
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by BK on Dec 17, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
Unless you play baseball with 11 people,
two first basement and two catchers, it’s not silly at all.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Dec 17, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
not at all
Alonso would have been an interesting LF experiment
Fuck Volquez
Boxberger? Closer prospect 2 years away?
Grandal’s the only one of this bunch I’ll miss
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2011 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
Boxy is probably a midseason callup next year if he's not traded
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by BK on Dec 17, 2011 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
so he would have been a midseason call up for us?
yeah, still not losing sleep over including him
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
exactly.
Don’t let a bullpen arm get in the way of a starter.
The Reds traded BJ Ryan for Juan Guzman. That was a good one.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Dec 17, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
It was rough, but that trade worked.
Juan won games for us down the stretch and helped get us to the playoffs.
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 18, 2011 3:42 AM EST up reply actions
Playoffs?
You mock our 1999 pain!
by the finest muffins on Dec 18, 2011 8:08 AM EST up reply actions
Ugh.
I melded ’95 and ’99 together in my noggin.
You know, memory is the second thing that goes.
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 18, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Punctuation.
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Dec 18, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
cunt
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 18, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, that isn't very nice.
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by BK on Dec 18, 2011 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
those were the only 4 letters he actually read
in the word punctuation
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 18, 2011 7:28 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
it was probably an over reaction.
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 19, 2011 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
Or a tragicly wonderful misspelling.
this post has some syntax and apostrophe issues - jutsin
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 20, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
They can't. I was going off the earlier rumor that they now have $9.5M to spend, but that's apparently false.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
...which will be going to Coco
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by BK on Dec 17, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
Beltran would be a shitty closer though
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by BK on Dec 17, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I feel that obc/ewok will dedicate some sort of FanShot or FanPost to this
Community Service and Reds goodwill.. blah blah
Proven closer..
yup
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2011 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
Swap out Arroyo for Chapman
and you’ve got a team, there.
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I'd prefer Kuroda.
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 18, 2011 3:34 AM EST up reply actions
Hey guys, MLBTR is reporting
that we made some sort of deal.
"Red Reporter - An elitist clique full of like-minded douchebags." - BK
We traded Dontrelle to the Phillies
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Dec 17, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
Cliff Lee and Hamels
and a PTBNL
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So where does this put Chapman?
The rotation is pretty crowded if we include him in SP’s.
Locks:
1. Cueto
2. Latos
3. Arroyo
Questionables:
1. Leake
2. Bailey
3. Chapman
4. Wood (unlikely but possible)
There is nothing questionable about Leake, other than he could get hurt like anybody else
he was the second best pitcher on the team last year.
Chapman will probably open the year in Louisville learning his craft.
I see the rotation shaking out to be Latos, Cueto, Leake, Bailey, Arroyo.
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Cueto will get the opening day start
because he was with the team last year. But I would put my money on Latos being the ace of the staff this year.
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And deservedly so
I’m giddy about RR’s annual Game 2 outing having the potential to be Latos’ first start at GABP
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by BK on Dec 17, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
well shit, if i am still in Ohio, I may have to go to that.
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Good to see you came around to my way of thinking :)
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
i've been saying that Chapman isn't an MLB ready starter since the season ended.
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I was actually talking about Leake
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I have been saying Leake is the Reds second best starting pitcher since before the season ended
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Leake and I had a little falling out last Spring
but i came back to him.
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A Pearl Jam reference?
The obc’ing of Nukkah continues!
by Brendanukkah on Dec 17, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
don't call me daughterty
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by UncleWeez on Dec 17, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I agree, Leake is a hell of a lot less questionable than Arroyo is
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Dec 17, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
I was going based off salary
I was going to put him as a lock, but then i changed my mind. Lock to me means theres no question about it. Im 95% sure he’ll be there. I should have included my thinking.
Why is Arroyo in the lock pile
I’m very not ok with that.
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
by bbjones on Dec 17, 2011 2:18 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
stupid stupid stupid
when will they ever learn?
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
I was getting ready to post the same thing
beat me to it
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
none of us should be
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
I've been waiting for something good to happen to post this. Enjoy a pole dancing bunny.
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by jch24 on Dec 17, 2011 2:24 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
she's got some moves
but does she spell it “Bunni”, with an i?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I thought it was funny.
Also, someone needs to find a video of Ms. Latos pole dancing.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
and if there isn't one, we need to make one
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
furry
"It’s time people started realizing just how good a player Carlos Dunlap already is, and that starts with the Bengals. They gave him a season-high 58 snaps and what was the result? Carnage on the right side of the Seattle line." -Pro Football Focus
if you first look at this in a certain frame, it looks like the bunny has hung herself.
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 19, 2011 12:56 AM EST up reply actions
Unbelievable that we can talk about this
Carpenter/Wainwright vs. Latos/Cueto.
I’d give it to Carp/Wain, but my gut tells me the gap isn’t all that large. Much smaller than we Reds fans are accustomed to.
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
And with Pujols gone, we probably have the superior offense to close that gap.
"It’s time people started realizing just how good a player Carlos Dunlap already is, and that starts with the Bengals. They gave him a season-high 58 snaps and what was the result? Carnage on the right side of the Seattle line." -Pro Football Focus
It's closer than I ever would've coming in to the season
Especially when we were linked to Joe Saunders
Careful projecting Cueto...
he had a 249 babip and a 6% HR/FB rate. Too many bought 2010 Arroyo (including Jocketty) and he regressed in a big way. Cueto is a decent middle of the rotation guy who enjoyed once in a career luck in 2011.
Sign Roy O
I think I speak for all of RR when I say FUCK YOU
:)
by sexsalad on Dec 17, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
and that we do have some fear deep deep down.
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eh...
who doesn’t… most Cardinal fans are pretty concerned about the 275 innings Carp threw, Wainwright’s surgery, Garcia’s lack of reliability in the playoffs etc…
Sign Roy O
Waino will take a bit to recover
I’m sold on Garcia, he’s an infuriatingly good pitcher. Carp is a bitch who is good at pitching. Cueto is due to regress some, but he’s improved every year, and I’m happy if he settles in as a 2/3.
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He also had an incredibly high GB%
And has an excellent II defense behind him.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
by nycredsfan on Dec 17, 2011 2:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i think he is more likely to put up an ERA close to his 2010 3.62
which is fine, especially behind Latos, especially if he puts up 200 innings over 34 starts.
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Carp/Waino/Garcia>>>Latos/Cueto/Leake
But obviously, it’s less of a gap than it was this morning
We're all mad. I'm mad. You're mad. Otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.
for this year, sure.
For the next 3 years, I’m not so sure.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 17, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
Right, but we're in win-now mode
2 years of Joey and 1 year of BP left.
This IS the rare trade that helps now and in the future, which is why it’s peanut butter jelly time.
We're all mad. I'm mad. You're mad. Otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.
potentially more for one or the other, or maybe even both
I wouldn’t be surprised to see a BP extension agreed upon soon
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i see your point
but Waino still has to come back from TJ. And behind Garcia is Lohse; I think we all know how that will play out in the end.
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
You never know.
It might take Waino a while to get back to his old form. Carp is old and didn’t have that great of a season last year. Garcia regressed last year. Then again, our three aren’t guaranteed anything.
when everybody is around and we're swinging for long bombs away, how do we come around to know - man, this really is what it's for?
Yeah he did
237 innings, ERA of 3.45, FIP of 3.06, struck out 7.24 innings per 9, with a .312 BABIP. He pitched like an ace last year in every since of the word.
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Wainwright will be lucky to pull off a winning record in his return from TJ.
I’m not sure anyone has ever come back from TJ to win 10+ games with an ERA+ better than 100 or a WHIP under 1.350.
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 18, 2011 3:45 AM EST up reply actions
Tim Hudson, A.J. Burnett, Shaun Marcum, Anibal Sanchez, Tommy John himself (olf course)
plenty of guys come back successful, if you allow me to count the 30 starts after returning, rather than the strict season (since almost all TJ pitchers spend the first half of a season still recovering).
But looking at your response more closely, I assume you mean strictly for the Cardinals in 2012, I pretty much have to agree he will probably not be a huge factor.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
He has as much chance of being a negative as a positive in the confines of 2012.
No. You may not count their “first 30 starts.” Selective endpoints, and all that.
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 18, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
The Cardinals should look at Wainwright's production as gravey
And they do have that luxury with Carpenter and Garcia.
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Joey Votto is not scared of gravy.
this post has some syntax and apostrophe issues - jutsin
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 20, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
From a PED suspension to starting game one of the playoffs....
…to Opening Day starter to AAA a few short months later. And now he’s a Padre.
Quite a journey for our Wagon. Mostly down. Can’t say I’ll miss the dumb bastard.
by ams78 on Dec 17, 2011 2:37 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Really he stopped being special in San Diego
He pitched in that game as well and lost it.
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First they came for Harang. Then they came for Volquez.
They’re destroying pitchers in San Diego, then coming after their corpses to re-animate them a few years down the road. DIABOLICAL!
by Brendanukkah on Dec 17, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I have to say
I think the Wagon will be sneaky good in Petco. He might even make a push for rookie of the year
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by UncleWeez on Dec 17, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions 12 recs
he'll probably get at least 1 vote
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
This is a tremendous comment.
Just tremendous.
Rec’d
"Bitch slap your goldfish folks, we're all screwed."
-KevinMitchellisBatman
Fricking amazing.
I’ll miss this meme more than most.
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it is his rookie padre season
good enough to win the award.
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 19, 2011 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
This does remind me of one of my favorite jokes
What do you call a man with no arms and no legs on the floor?
Mat!
by Brendanukkah on Dec 17, 2011 2:40 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
What do you call a man with no arms and no legs in the sea?
Bob!
by Brendanukkah on Dec 17, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
What do you call a man with no arms and no legs on the wall?
Art!
by Brendanukkah on Dec 17, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
What do you call a woman with no arms and no legs on the beach?
Sandy!
by Brendanukkah on Dec 17, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
what do you can an asshole who rains on our parade
Brenda
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Who's raining?
I’m just not beating off onto the cookie yet.
by Brendanukkah on Dec 17, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
i shot my wad all over the cookie!
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Better not be last unless you wanna eat it
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Many times, but he's too fast to have ever eaten the cookie
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
Depends on the objective, I suppose
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
i thought ookie on the cookie was just an urban legend..
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think I could . . . you know . . . in front of eight other naked dudes.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
I mean physically do it.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
even if
being last means you have to eat the wet biscuit?
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Yeah, I know, but I don't I could get or stay . . . you know . . . with eight other dudes around.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe because doing that with 8 other naked guys
doesn’t seem like something a straight guy would do.
I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
It's not bad at all
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
Nah, then Justin will call me Brenda and an asshole for eating all your guys' cookies
What a chode.
by Brendanukkah on Dec 17, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
comments still in fine rec form I see!
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
asshole
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 19, 2011 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
come on.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Dec 17, 2011 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
I thoroughly enjoyed all of this
and announced it, one by one, to a not-empty room.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Dec 17, 2011 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
What do you call a man with no arms and no legs at the Playboy mansion?
Randy!
How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Dec 17, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
What do you call a man with no arms and no legs?
Unlucky
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
I call him Torso Boy.
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 17, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What do you call a man with no arms and no legs trying to water-ski?
Skip!
What do you call a man with no arms and no legs in a pile of leaves?
Russell!
"Red Reporter - An elitist clique full of like-minded douchebags." - BK
What do you call a man with no arms and no legs in a hole?
Phil!
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 18, 2011 3:48 AM EST up reply actions
It makes me sincerely happy
That your favorite part of the deal is that Volkie is gone.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
by nycredsfan on Dec 17, 2011 2:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
srly..
BK tweets about it, and all of a sudden this is a thing?
can we just agree that this is an awful idea b/c The Dusty (or DustBrain as Mads refers to him) will start him and not platoon him?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
careful what words leave your lips..
that shit might just happen
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
But...
He’s still a potential ace!
/whogivesashitanymorelet’sfuckin’party
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 17, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
this is better than the Volquez anniversary gift I gave you
Walt one-upped me. And I’m not complaining
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Same here.
I fell asleep and woke up on Christmas morning!
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 18, 2011 3:49 AM EST up reply actions
This is the day that the Walt has made
Latos rejoice and be glad in it.
by Brendanukkah on Dec 17, 2011 2:51 PM EST reply actions 8 recs
Latos Prey
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 18, 2011 3:49 AM EST up reply actions
Latos give praise!
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 18, 2011 3:49 AM EST up reply actions
But seriously lets get Edwin Jackson
I like the idea of Latos, Cueto, Leake, Jackson, and Arroyo with Wood, Bailey, and Chapman as support staff.
While I am not ready to give up on Bailey as a starter, it would be interesting to see how he does in relief.
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cuz he's been warming up for 20 minutes
all that throwin’ works up a sweat
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
I understand that, but it's just funny.
Most guys sweat a little, but they just look like they’ve warmed up. Homer looks like he’s just finished a marathon.
What is it going to take to get Jackson?
4 years and $40MM? I’d like that deal, but can the Reds afford it?
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
Holy shit!
My girlfriend just got the job she’d applied for in Denver!
We’re fucking moving!
What a day!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 17, 2011 2:56 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
It's a nice town
And you get a job being the head coach of the Colorado Rapids.
Congrats to your lady.
by Brendanukkah on Dec 17, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, we've both got family out there so I'm fairly familiar with it.
Now I’ve got to find a job though. Not a bad problem to have, I suppose, given the circumstances.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 17, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
I shit you not, I'm actually bottling myEnglish Ale homebrew from 2 weekends ago.
I’m fucking ecstatic.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 17, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
eh, overrated, in my opinion.
Fort Collins is really where it’s at. Neither are as good as Seattle.
But Odells Mountain Standard Time black IPA? YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Dec 17, 2011 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
Tebow'd
strike the pose
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
You'd better make it to burgers Wednesday so we can meet before you move
/AllAboutMe
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
funny, I actually thought the same thing.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 17, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
Aren't you the only other Lexington guy on here?
I’m moving to Cincinnati for an internship this spring and long term in a couple years though
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
kcgard2 is in Lex, I believe.
’tHan was here but he vacated years ago!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 17, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
I haven't been in Lex for about 4 years
but my wife wants us to move there and I really don’t wanna
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
I know you are a Lexington hater.
Can’t say I blame you. I don’t hate Lex, but I’m ready to get away for a while.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly.
Mo’ better jobs in Denver, too.
I’ll be back eventually, I’m sure, but I’ve been in LEX for 6 years since college. Time to go and do something new for a while.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 17, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
Hater is kinda strong
there’s just nothing there for us (family, friends, whatever), and the town isn’t much to write home about. The hassle of moving homes and transferring schools and finding new jobs…that stuff doesn’t even have to do with Lexington.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
I was just kidding around
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
no worries
I just remembered you said that Lexington wasn’t your favorite place, and I embellished a bit for fun
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
You must have a good memory man
that had to be a long time ago!
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
pretty much
I was gonna hunt your ass down if I didn’t get to see you over Thanksgiving, honky
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
ha.
Better than wearing an IU shirt, I guess.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 17, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
Congrats!
You’ll love the town.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Dec 17, 2011 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
And the REDS acquired him.
“In terms of pure upside, Latos is likely going to be the best pitcher to change teams this winter. His command of four pitches gives him the chance of being a true front-line starter”
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Dec 17, 2011 3:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Wow, this is great news! I should eat lunch more often, things happen while I eat lunch.
I’m hoping that Bronson will get jealous that he isn’t the coolest dude on the pitching staff anymore and will up his game.
I’ll miss Alonso, but this was a very well-made trade.
A couple months ago I said the Reds should get Buerhle and Latos and was minorly laughed at, so hopefully you will believe my predictive powers in the future.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Dec 17, 2011 2:58 PM EST reply actions
missed oppurtunity
a rotation of Latos, Buerhle, Cueto, Leake, and Arroyo would have been fuckin tits!
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Yeah, Lauren Bacall was very sexy back in the day.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
Want confirmation the deal is good?
Both Jon Heyman and Jim Bowden hate it for the Reds.
Bowden called Boxy a #3 starter. Makes you wonder if he has ever seen a baseball game before.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
by nycredsfan on Dec 17, 2011 2:59 PM EST via mobile reply actions
makes you freightened he made moves for the Reds
with that intel.
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Yep.
This is the guy who wanted them to trade Alonso for Wade Davis.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
by nycredsfan on Dec 17, 2011 3:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Or if he's ever seen Boxy pitch before
Honestly, I’m as big of a Boxy fan as there is, but best case scenario he’s a closer.
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Dec 17, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
I see you going crazy on the twitter.
And most things Bowden does make one wonder if he’s ever seen a game of baseball before.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Dec 17, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, if Jim Bowden hates it, I like it that much more
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
I like Brew Crew Ball
Good point
so, really, Chris Carpenter curb stomped Andy LaRue.
“If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don’t have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone.”
~Doug Melvin
“Something always good seems to happen when he’s in there. Numbers matched up good.”
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 17, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
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I'm guessing the Reds could well sign Cordero once the market collapses a bit.
And will make a trade for a LF.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Dec 17, 2011 3:07 PM EST reply actions
I'm calling it now
They’re going to take the 3 mil or so they just saved on this deal and spend it on signing Jonny Gomes. Bank on it.
you haven't been right about anything since you said the Reds would win the Central in 2010!
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I think he should stay away from the both of them
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
THIS IS FREAKING TREMENDOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I cannot explain how excited I am. My father-in-law called me to give me the news of this trade, and he started with who the Reds gave up. When he got done, I said “The return better be tremendous.” He said, “It’s one player.” I got a queasy feeling in my stomach worried that it was Jurrjens or Shields (both of whom I like, but not for that haul). He said, “That kid from the Padres. Mat Larson or something.”
My immediate reaction, like several other people on this board, was “MAT FUCKING LATOS!!!!!!!!!” This kid is awesome. I cannot stress that enough. The number of pitchers I’d prefer over the next 4 years to Latos reads as follows: Clayton Kershaw, Felix Hernandez, Justin Verlander. That’s about it. I feel that good about this kid.
"Bitch slap your goldfish folks, we're all screwed."
-KevinMitchellisBatman
The rest of you all can be as excited as you want
Now that BLee is this excited, I’m that excited too. BLee knows his stuff.
So, HOORAY!
by Brendanukkah on Dec 17, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
Reading the prognosticators is really frustrating.
They seem to not understand the principle of comparative advantage. As long as Mesoraco is the elite catcher on the Reds, Grandal provides essentially zero benefit to the team. The same goes for Alonso as long as he can only play 1B. If the Reds filled their major hole and gave up spare parts, however shiny, then they made a very intelligent trade.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Dec 17, 2011 3:22 PM EST reply actions
not only that, but Hanigan is signed for 3 years, right?
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 17, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
And Barnhardt (sp?) is apparently quite talented.
Most teams don’t carry two star catchers, they carry a stud and a rock-solid guy.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Dec 17, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
Barnhart
And he’s still a ways away. Still lots of question marks there, but mostly because of his size (he’s like 5’7" or something). He was impressive last year.
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Dec 17, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
I like the kid.
Versatile, talented grinder. I’m eager to see him at higher levels, but there’s a lot of promise there. Probably not a star, but projects to be solid.
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Dec 17, 2011 4:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Some people are suggesting that the Padres will flip Alonso.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Dec 17, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
For Latos?
Trade echo chamber.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Dec 17, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Recursive trades are the best trades.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Dec 17, 2011 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
He looks really young in this photo
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
Don't worry, you'll have that moment
Where the Reds call someone up, and they’re right about the same age as you, and then you’re like “holy fuck”.
/oldhoss’d
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Dec 17, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
That was Joey Votto for me.
Encarnacion is my age, too, but I didn’t realize it at the time.
by the finest muffins on Dec 17, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
Am I?
I’m actually a little older than Joey Votto (would’ve been a grade ahead of him in school) but still, seeing that “1983” up on the scoreboard as his birthdate made me do a double take.
by the finest muffins on Dec 17, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
He is 1 year and 2 days older than me
our birthdays are almost the same!
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
I would imagine someone like Amir Garrett is the closest in the organization to my age.
And he still has a couple years on me. Anyone know where I’d find his birthday?
Every link I found just says "Class of 2011."
But I did discover in my google adventures that Amir Garrett is on Twitter. Someone should ask him his birthday!
by the finest muffins on Dec 17, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
bbref
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 18, 2011 4:28 AM EST up reply actions
Everyone including Dusty and Walt on the Reds are younger than I.
Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
I'm in Jamie Moyer territory.
But I grew up with the BRM, so it’s worth it.
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Dec 17, 2011 4:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He is older than I am.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
shit, so now him, Chapman, and Francisco(?) are the Reds younger than me.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Dec 17, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
It's not just the photo.
Dude turned 24 last week. He looks a little older when you see him on the mound, and realize he’s 6’6".
"Bitch slap your goldfish folks, we're all screwed."
-KevinMitchellisBatman
I know I said he looked like Bruce earlier
but he also reminds me of Brekinho a bit here
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Dec 17, 2011 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
that doesn't even make sense!
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So did JohnU finally get banned?
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
What was the straw that broke the camel's back?
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
for what?
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
JohnU was an asshole
any number of things wouldn’t surprise me
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, I banned him then unbanned him after 4 or 5 days and told him to cool it
And when he started with the same shit as before, I asked him to stop and he called me an asshole. I didn’t see the need for him to post anymore.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I agree
I’m just saying that guy was capable of anything when he was in a crabby mood, which was all of the time.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
he got worse after he retired
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When did he retire?
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
i think sometime last spring
i got the feeling we were the only people he really talked to.
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Wow, that's depressing as shit
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
he is retired, divorced, and in bad health
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That can't be what he got banned for.
Otherwise every Red Reporter would be banned.
"Red Reporter - An elitist clique full of like-minded douchebags." - BK
but rarely a week went by where he didn't go throw some nasty trollish fight where he was name calling people
not all that different than nycredsfan
againiamshittingoncredsfanfornoreasonhereallyisntallthatbadevenifheisabitofaknowitalldickbutthanagainsoamijustwithworsespellingandlessacopmlishmentsinlifeatleastheisinaphdprogramididntevenhavetheballstoapplytoaphdprogrambecauseasmuchasisayitisbecauseiamtiredofschoolandthephdjobmarketsucksdeepdowninsideireallyjustdonotbelieveihavethestufftosuriviveaphdprogram’d
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Yeah, he was name-calling like crazy
being irrational most of the time, refusing to engage in actual dialogue (preferring constant rants), and the pitching coach thing honestly boiled down to trolling after about 4 straight months of it.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Yeah
When he first came back he wasn’t bad, but he got worse.
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Dang, I was hoping Boxy would be on the team.
Oh well, it seems like people like this Latos guy, so yay.
Jocketty mentioned another deal lined up, either FA or trade.
Journalists saying that Walt says he had other pieces to make another trade. IF they got Shields too, that’d be kinda amazing. Or, I guess they have 10mill in payroll space now, go get Beltran!
Or are they going to dip into the savings to extend BP?
Do they need to?
I’m way behind on the Phillips contract situation, so somebody fill me in.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
I dunno, but apparently this saves them 4.5 million this year, and they were planning on adding 5 mill in payroll.
So who knows anything! The Reds have no money and are talking to no one.
Can Beltran be had for $10MM per?
I think they could get Edwin Jackson for $10MM per.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
Hmmmm, is there any reason to believe Beltran would rather play in Cincinnati?
Could Walt engineer a 2/$20M deal with incentives for plate appearances?
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
Is there anything to the rumor that hitters have expressed an interest in
signing with the Reds for the opportunity to hit regularly in GABP?
by the finest muffins on Dec 17, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
But he decided against it in the end.
Money always is the loudest talker, but maybe the smallpark is an attraction for guys looking for intermediate deals to get big paydays afterwards.
Willingham at 3/$21M would have been nice
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
from Fay:
Asked Jocketty if it’s fair to say they don’t have money to sign someone to Willingham-like deal. “Very fair to say.”
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
by UncleWeez on Dec 17, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Are the Reds that poor? Or are the Castellinis that tight?
I really think it’s the latter.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
eh, it's good tactics.
Don’t want to a) get the crowd hungry for another player b) TRHNMAATTN worked out really well the first time around.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Dec 17, 2011 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
You hope so, but then you look at history, and nothing good.
Willingham signed in Minnesota, and Beltran will probably go to STL, not much after that.
I mean, that would be really awesome.
I dunno if he’d play LF though. Would be an immense bat at GABP between Joey and Jay. Easily best offense in the NL, and it keeps him from the Cardinals.
Of course, the Reds didn't have the money until today either.
/optimism
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
It's not gonna happen.
But, it’d be the first move I’d make if I was Walt. I’d be begging for extra money to go after him.
I really find it hard to believe that the Castellinis can't up the payroll more than $5M.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
So they don't have $9.5MM to spend?
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
WTF, Reds?
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently Walt doesn't want anyone to think so.
He played this Latos trade pretty close to the vest, and for good reason. Turns out, Walt can’t just drop hints here on RR and not expect other people to know what he’s up to.
Knowledge is power.
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
One reason to believe Beltran would rather play in Cincy:
This guy’s an asshole:
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 18, 2011 4:37 AM EST up reply actions
And I believe he's making the sign-language gesture for "asshole"
by DocRam on Dec 18, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
"sphincter"
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 18, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe Hamilton, Cozart, Brackman, Leake, Stubbs for
Chad Billingsley.
by Im_a_fun_haver on Dec 17, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
You're right.
Probably need to throw in Francisco and Sappelt too.
by Im_a_fun_haver on Dec 17, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
How about the whole farm system for Matt Cain?
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Fangraphs Article on the Trade
“Reds Finally Get Their Ace in Latos”
The big takeaway from the article is this:
Here are all the pitchers in baseball with 350+ innings and a strikeout rate between 23 and 25% over the last 2 years (Latos has almost 380IP, and is right in the middle of the selected strikeout rate at 24.2%, so this is not one of those “find a group of stats where this guy just crosses the threshhold in all of them and look how good he is” games):
Cliff Lee
Felix Hernandez
Zack Greinke
Cole Hamels
Justin Verlander
Yovanni Gallardo
Jon Lester
Mat Latos
Jered Weaver
Ubaldo Jimenez
Latos is 2 years younger than anybody else on the list. This kid is awesome. I cannot stress that enough.
"Bitch slap your goldfish folks, we're all screwed."
-KevinMitchellisBatman
by BLee2525 on Dec 17, 2011 3:35 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
That sounds like the plan to me
Wait until next offseason, then try to extend Joey (and get him to defer some of that hefty 2013 salary)
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Dec 17, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I'd love it if they find a way to lock up Joey.
But I really doubt they have the money to. If they do, Joey, Jay, Devin, Cueto, Latos, Chapman, LeCure, and Leake can carry us into the future and the Reds will be good for a while.
Hey, I'm all for the Reds being good into the future.
..but citing Sam LeCure as one of the attributes of future good Reds teams is kind of like saying you’re voting Obama in 2012 because you’re looking forward to four more years of Biden as vice-president.
How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Dec 17, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Nah
I feel more like it is saying you are voting for Obama because you are excited about Janet Napoleno as the leader of Homeland Security.
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A slightly different take I haven't seen yet..
This clears out the redundancies in our farm system, which we can replenish at positions of need when the time comes (2b, lf, ss) once we trade Votto for 5 prospects.
Merry f’n Christmas everyone, this is a great day
"Live every week like it's shark week. And dress everyday like you're gonna get murdered in those clothes." - Tracey Jordan
by RedinWrigleyville on Dec 17, 2011 3:37 PM EST reply actions
I like this trade a whole, whole lot, don't get me wrong. But it makes me wonder...
Who takes over at first if (“if”?) Votto leaves? No Alonso, no extra catcher… Is Soto the 1st baseman of the future now?
by the finest muffins on Dec 17, 2011 3:38 PM EST reply actions
We will sign Votto for 8 yrs/200 million.
No worries!
by Cuetotally Amazing on Dec 17, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
Votto will sign for the League Minimum.
When he see’s that he’s going to win the World Series for 5 years in a row!
do you?
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 17, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
The Reds have no money and are talking to no one (else).
johnfaymanJohn Fay
Asked Jocketty if it’s fair to say they don’t have money to sign someone to Willingham-like deal. “Very fair to say.” #reds
Gomes it is!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 17, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Fucking awesome!
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 17, 2011 3:50 PM EST reply actions 9 recs
time to order a Latos jersey
that’s some swell stuff.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 17, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
apparently every MLB writer on Twitter
The worst I found from Buster Olney, basically saying the Padres would never trade Latos if they thought he was good.
Gotta get off Twitter, it’s making me mad
"Live every week like it's shark week. And dress everyday like you're gonna get murdered in those clothes." - Tracey Jordan
by RedinWrigleyville on Dec 17, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
i think in an OOTP trade the Reds gave up too much
but in reality Latos was the best pitcher available, and the Reds have a few solid starting pitcher but no ace, and a high octane offense.
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good box is nice to have though.
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Keeps you from having to drink alone
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
like this
Friends don’t let friends drink Franzia.
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
To hell they don't
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Dec 17, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 10 recs
That is one of the best Halloween costumes I've ever seen.
I rec’d it, but it already has two flags.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
it is weird that the flags who up now.
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what?
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
i think he meant "show" up now.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 17, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, we need a Google translator for Justin.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
It says "Flag 2"
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
Huh, weird
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
Here you go
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
This is better
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think it was flagged
That’s what my screen looks like when I rec something.
I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
oh, I'm an idiot
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
Well, if yuo flag it, then you should see how many there are
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
I didn't flag it, I rec'd it
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
i saw flag 3 when i went to rec it.
or maybe 2
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I think those are actually recs
The formatting is sometimes weird, and shows recs as flags.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
ah, that would make sense
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
the first time I saw that
I freaked out. I thought I had accidentally flagged something when I meant to rec it.
Flags really aren’t used much here, except for pretty blatant things like spam.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
or 'tHan or OBIWOK when somebody writes goddamn
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really?
Goddamn.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on Dec 17, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Yeah, my formatting has been weird for a while now
it’s basically just a floating number after a list of options
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Rec's should cancel out flags.
Who flags stuff anyone? If this offends you then why are you even on this site?
I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
by darthmom on Dec 17, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Very good point
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
i'm offended because it's simulating a blow job
there’s a well established policy to not allow pictures of this sort on the site.
it should be deleted!
by 'tHan on Dec 17, 2011 4:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Stop your......wining
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Dec 17, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
BOO THIS MAN
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
"Bitch slap your goldfish folks, we're all screwed."
-KevinMitchellisBatman
by BLee2525 on Dec 17, 2011 9:27 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
are you SURE it's simulated?
made you look.
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
by bbjones on Dec 17, 2011 6:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
There are standards on this site?
I didn’t realize that.
I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
For someone who hasn't been here that long, you picked up the point of this site pretty quickly
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Dec 17, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
darthmom should come to burger night on Wednesday to prove she is real.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
I'm actually a single man living in the suburbs of Boston....
I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
Agreed to an extent, but there are limits.
I don’t mind a picture like that at all, but a site like this also shouldn’t have people posting actual porn or anything like that.
Not our fault you're 7 years old.
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 18, 2011 4:44 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
i enjoy this more and more
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usually gotta pay extra for it, though
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2011 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
This just goes to show that
Latos is the best pitcher we could have hoped for!
by wishfuldrifter on Dec 17, 2011 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
i'm upset about boxburger being in the deal ...
but if that’s what it took to get it done, then that’s just fine
Individuality: Always remember that you are unique. Just like everybody else.
kubel?
The Reds have had conversations with Jason Kubel, according to John Fay of the Cincinnati Enquirer (via Twitter). GM Walt Jocketty told Fay (Twitter link) that the club does not have the type of money to sign someone to a Josh Willingham-type deal.
Even after trading for Mat Latos, Reds GM Walt Jocketty still plans on using Aroldis Chapman as a starter, tweets John Fay of the Cincinnatti Enquirer. Jocketty did leave room for a change of heart, however, noting that things could change later on.
when everybody is around and we're swinging for long bombs away, how do we come around to know - man, this really is what it's for?
I like Kubel, but he's a LHB
We’ve got a lot of those already.
"Red Reporter - An elitist clique full of like-minded douchebags." - BK
If Coco signs elsewhere,
the Reds will have a mid-first round pick and two compensation picks in the 2012 draft. That’s a great opportunity to restock the system.
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Dec 17, 2011 4:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I'm just giddy that the Reds acquired
a pitcher of Latos’ caliber. After years and years of Eric Milton, Dave Williams and the like, this is a completely different feel. When was the last time Cincinnati traded for a pitcher of this ilk? Danny Jackson, maybe?
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Dec 17, 2011 4:53 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
What would it take to get Andruw Jones?
The guy can still hit lefties and he’s a free agent
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
and he's defense is better than Gomes'
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
*his
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
I imagine it would take very little
1/$2.5 million or so
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
What does everyone think? Is this better than going after Gomes?
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
That was my gut reaction too,
but you know the trouble with gut instincts.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
I had BBQ for lunch.
Now my gut stinks.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 17, 2011 5:52 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I went to Ramsey's.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Dec 17, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
that's some quality Saturday belly-stuffing goodness.
I had some Q leftover from the wedding we went to last Saturday. Still good as can be.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 17, 2011 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
I'd be all up ons that.
He had a decent year last year at the plate (122 OPS+) and can still play D.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
I want no part of Andruw Jones
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
andruw jones is the tracy mcgrady of baseball
by 'tHan on Dec 18, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
only good in NBA Live?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 18, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
I find this to be a surprisingly satisfying comparison
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
agreed
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 18, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
God, that's a great comparison
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
The reply button is acting all brokeass for me.
waah
... I still say it was a touchdown, got tammit.
does it work here?
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 19, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
yes
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