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Updating the Top 100; Joey Votto, #27

27. Joey Votto

Played as Red Primary Position Career Rank Peak Rank Prime Rank
2007-2011 1B 48 14 20
Percent Breakdown of Value Best Season Best player on Reds
Hit Field Pitch 2010 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011
94% 6% 0%
Awards/Honors as a Red Leading the League On the Reds Leaderboard
Most Valuable Player – 2010
Hank Aaron Award – 2010
All Star – 2010, 2011
Gold Glove - 2011
OPS+ – 2010
OPS – 2010
On Base Percentage – 2010, 2011
Slugging Percentage – 2010
Doubles - 2011
Walks - 2011

-1st in career OPS+
-2nd in career slugging percentage
-2nd in career on base percentage
-5th in career batting average
-20th in career home runs

There’s a universe in which there is never any question that Votto will spend his entire career with the Reds, and he goes on to be a top-5 player in franchise history, and they name streets after him. We’re probably not in that universe, of course, having the misfortune of always picking the wrong damn universe to live in.

Nonetheless, Votto’s elite. He picked up some new hardware this year (the Reds have the Gold-Gloviest right side of the infield in all the land), and barely skipped a beat in his MVP remix season. He actually profiles rather well with Jeff Bagwell, who also had an MVP award and a Gold Glove and a career OPS+ in the 150 neighborhood through his age 27 season. Bagwell’s decline from there was long and slow, and accompanied by several trips to October. Would that the two indeed profile that close to one another.

Through 4+ seasons, Votto owns a batting line of 313/405/550 (151 OPS+), and jumps from #64 on the all-time list to #27. He also rises six spots on the list of best first basemen in team history, to #4.

The Top 15 First Basemen in Reds history

1 Tony Perez
2 Ted Kluszewski
3 Frank McCormick
4 Joey Votto*
5 Dan Driessen
6 Jake Beckley
7 Sean Casey
8 Lee May
9 Jake Daubert
10 Dick Hoblitzel
11 Hal Morris
12 Rube Bressler
13 Gordy Coleman
14 Deron Johnson
15 Hal Chase

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I like Joey Votto

He’s a good player. Also. These seats in the resource room are awesome.

by crolfer on Dec 15, 2011 10:01 AM EST reply actions  

SWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Dec 15, 2011 10:02 AM EST reply actions  

some penicillin might help with that

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by BubbaFan on Dec 15, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Between your vapors and Scrabbles' sugars

I think we have a good start on our 1890s medicinal trading cards.

Dirt Bikes!

by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Dec 15, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Since when am I known as Ol' Pappy?

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 15, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Ol Pappy McSlappy...

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by obc2 on Dec 15, 2011 12:59 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

The McPaper

had an interesting article in their travel section, about a baseball scout. The article was ostensibly about travel tips from a frequent flyer (he says he’s home only about 8 days during the season), but had some interesting stuff on scouting, too.

“I’m looking for tendencies,” he explains. “If a guy sets his hands at a different position on different counts. I want to know his stance. Does he close up? Is he an open-style hitter? Does he dive into the pitch? … I first check his hands, then his feet. Then I check where his head goes on certain pitches.”

…Back at the hotel, he writes up reports on the game and then emails them to the team’s video coordinator, who compiles the various streams of research. The team’s manager and staff will ultimately share the information with the players to help them prepare for future match-ups.

And he always starts afresh each year.

By the end of the season, Johnson has accumulated more than 300 charts. When the playing is done for the year, he’ll pull the stacks out of his closet and “throw them out.” It starts all over again in a few months.

“Every year is a different year,” he says. “The way you stay in the big leagues is by making adjustments to the competition. For example, a pitcher that used to throw 95 and now throws 91, he has to adjust his style to the hitters.”

I don’t think I’d like his job, much as I love baseball. Sounds like a grueling schedule. You don’t even get to fly business class. He says he always picks the cheapest fares. Small market teams can’t afford to do otherwise.

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by BubbaFan on Dec 15, 2011 10:19 AM EST reply actions  

I've thought about it, but it's a tremendous amount of work.

I did some official scoring for a while, and that was fun, but I’m just not sure I could go to 100+ games a year. Aside from the small possibility that I would get tired of baseball, I would definitely get very fat from hot dogs and nachos and beer.

Who am I kidding, I’m already fat from hot dogs and nachos and beer.

A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.

by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Dec 15, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

i feel like being a scout for a season would be fucking awesome

but it would be draining after that.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 15, 2011 6:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess there are different kinds of scouts

Guys who scout for new talent probably have a territory they cover. But he’s a scout that prepares teams to face teams they are going to play soon. So he goes to watch the other team play just before they’re going to face the Braves.

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by BubbaFan on Dec 15, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

AKA advance scout

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Dec 15, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Hal Chase makes the top 15 on just 3 seasons at the end of his career?

The Reds really haven’t had a lot of good first baseman.

Granted, he won a batting title, but he also was the Grand Wizard of throwing baseball games, which should be worth -5,000,000 WAR or something.

And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head blown off

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Dec 15, 2011 10:30 AM EST reply actions  

Where's Hatteberg?

Where’s Quinones?!

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 15, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Danny Driessen @ 5!

Man, we have had a history of shit first basemen. To quote Lloyd Bentsen, “Danny, you’re no Tony Perez.” Casey and May were much better than Driessen. Hell, he was so fucked up, he thought he was a catcher.

I did not, and never will like, Dan Driessen. To quote Walter Sobchak, “Shut the fuck up, Danny.”

by Joe Nolan's Neckbeard on Dec 15, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

What's this about our 1B betting on baseball games?

As a whole, I think the team’s been okay at 1B. You have a couple of guys that won MVPs and several other all-stars. That’s probably about average given the team’s age.

by ken on Dec 15, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

One thing has become clear....

This is definitely the darkest, most terrible timeline.

by Nasty N8 on Dec 15, 2011 10:30 AM EST reply actions  

RIP

sort of

Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me

by UncleWeez on Dec 15, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Never!

#sixseasonsandamovie

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Dec 15, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

This makes me angry.

Is there a mod so powerful he can ban himself?

by andromache on Dec 15, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, now I guess I don't have to worry about catching up with this show

I can just wait for it to appear on Netflix and watch it straight through.

And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head blown off

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Dec 15, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey now

We’re guaranteed the rest of season three (when is unclear) at the very least.

by DerekH91 on Dec 15, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

that christmas episode was ridiculously funny

one of the best episodes ever of that show.

sad that they are “taking a break”, but that was a high note to leave off on

by 'tHan on Dec 15, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

I think that, like Arrested Development, it’s too smart for the general public.

Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me

by UncleWeez on Dec 15, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Crystal ball

Where does Votto wind up ranking if his 2012 and 2013 numbers mirror his 2010-2011 numbers?

by Nasty N8 on Dec 15, 2011 10:32 AM EST reply actions  

I don't practice Renteria...

With one more season like this, Votto’s at around #18. With 2 more seasons, he’s #13. Meaning he’s #2 on the 1st baseman list, with little chance to catch Perez without a long-term extension. Of course, Doggie spent his best years at the hot corner, so Votto’s within striking distance of being the franchise’s best true first baseman ever.

by riverfront76 on Dec 15, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Too bad the Reds couldn't have got a year or two of free-agency

Then, he’d have a good shot at cracking the Top 10.

It will be very interesting to see what Votto is looking for (years/money) and where he winds up?

by Nasty N8 on Dec 15, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

It has to be Toronto, doesnt it?

The only other big market (ie $$) teams that don’t have 1B’s signed long term are SF, and LAD (and whi knows what their ownership will look like). I guess the Mets may be in the mix as well, but I doubt it. Also, Prince is going to sign somewhere that will knock Joey’s list down further. Texas? Houston?

Gotta be Toronto.

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 15, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

It's tough to predict these things

You never know which owner will decide to make a big signing, like Washington did last year with Werth. Somebody mid-market like Washington, Seattle or San Diego might decide to make a move in two years. Or a big market team might move pieces around to clear space for Votto.

I wouldn’t rule out LAD. They’ll have new ownership in two years and might be looking to make a splash in the battle of Los Angeles.

by ken on Dec 15, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

My 1B bad, my 1B good.

My 1B do things that your 1B wish he could.

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 15, 2011 10:37 AM EST reply actions  

Definitely 1st or 2nd. Or maybe 3rd.

/Nostradamus’d

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Dec 15, 2011 10:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Damnit.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Dec 15, 2011 10:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Seriously though, your mention reminded me of this...

The evil empire will succumb to his triumph
The man from the far North will lead the crimson
A great vote based on the first man
Glory will come to the city of the queen.

That’s gotta be Votto!!!

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by Slyde on Dec 15, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

whoa

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat

by -ManBearPig on Dec 15, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

x

"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24

by BK on Dec 15, 2011 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Where should I send my resume?

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 15, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

In a sense though, it's perfect

Who better to recognize a really bad temptation than someone who has already fallen victim?

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 15, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought you had already signed up to be Tiger Woods sexual advisor

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by obc2 on Dec 15, 2011 12:57 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

That's just your imagination

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 15, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that might be a worse job than the baseball scout one

I don’t think they could pay me enough to let Josh Hamilton wake me at 3am to talk about god’s plan for him. Or go with him to watch Transformers four days in a row.

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by BubbaFan on Dec 15, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds awesome to me

do I gotta actually do anything?

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Dec 15, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I dunno

He was officially the videographer for the Reds, wasn’t he? (I wouldn’t mind that job.)

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by BubbaFan on Dec 15, 2011 9:08 PM EST up reply actions  

:-P

Actually, Bubba could hit the inside ball. It was the low and away stuff he missed. And he could do that lefty “drop the bat head down” thing.

His walkoff homer was on a curve ball.

The butt and hair are okay. His real tigrmetric strengths are his bluer than blue eyes, and sweet smile.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Dec 16, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Hey

Bubba’s married. And not to me. He and his wife are expecting their first child in February.

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by BubbaFan on Dec 16, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

O.M.G.

Wee Kenny Rosenthal thinks there’s a chance the Pads would deal Latos.

I’ve found a new completely unrealistic thing to dream on until the Reds announce the Wade Davis trade.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Dec 15, 2011 11:33 AM EST reply actions  

He will be ours.

Oh yes, he will be ours.

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 15, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Seriously, there isn't much I wouldn't give up for Latos.

Meso, Alonso, Hamilton, Boxy?

Take them!

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Dec 15, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe.

From a pure value standpoint I do it. The only problem is that takes 3 projected starters out of the MLB lineup. That leaves a lot of holes to fill in the Votto Window™

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Dec 15, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Hanigan, Heisey, we'll find someone

and then let’s see what we can do with Grandal, I’m sure we have some 4th OF type hangin’ around, then we have a MI/UT type hangin’ around, no?

The ends justify the means

by Highlifeman21 on Dec 16, 2011 7:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously,

Baseball Wives is the worst “show” in the history of television.

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Dec 15, 2011 11:37 AM EST reply actions  

Wow.

Josh Willingham signed with the Twins for 3 years and $21 million guaranteed. Glad that’s not us.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Dec 15, 2011 11:37 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah, man.

I saw that and thought the exact same thing. The bad news is Luke Scott is still available.

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Dec 15, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

It was fun while it lasted.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Dec 15, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Contract them!

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 15, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Pay Joey 25 million a year for 8 years.

It would be the boldest thing the Reds had ever done, fans would love it, and we’d get to keep cheering for our complicated but prodigiously talented hero. He’s a safe bet to put that kind of money on, whereas Prince (weight) and Pujols (age) are not. And then we could rename Fort Washington Way.

by Cuetotally Amazing on Dec 15, 2011 11:43 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions   2 recs

That would be nice

Even if they had to raise ticket prices, I think the fans would go for it.

Maybe that’s the deal with this Phillips contract, they don’t want to tie up too much money with him and have zero chance with Votto. I’m one of the few that thinks they still have a chance to keep him long-term. Castellini really sounds like he wants to go for it.

Respect my authoritah!

by BigBadBruce on Dec 15, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

cubs bought the McDonalds and it's parking lot across the street from Wrigley

1 acre for rumored 20mil.

How much will Toby Keith’s “I Love This Bar and Grill” sell for in a year or two?

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by obc2 on Dec 15, 2011 11:59 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

put it on the burger tour list!

I want the Beer For My Horseburger

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by obc2 on Dec 15, 2011 12:14 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

i parked there once for a game.

$20. they pack as many cars in there as they can. if the people around you haven’t left you, might not be able to leave.

Brevity is the soul of wit.

by Heeringa on Dec 15, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure he is referring to Wrigley

There is no $20 parking in Cincinnati, that I know of.

And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head blown off

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Dec 15, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, that's what I thought too. I didn't mean to blast Heeringa.

I just wanted to insult the saps who pay $10 to park at the Banks.

by FordhamRam on Dec 15, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Try parking within three blocks of PBS two hours before the Bengals kick off

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 15, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

the Dock?

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by obc2 on Dec 15, 2011 12:58 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions   1 recs

Well shit, if that's the case parking must be free all over!

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 15, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

just look for meters

they are free on Sundays. If you drive around enough you are bound to find a space.

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat

by -ManBearPig on Dec 15, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I understand that

Here’s the comment I replied to. It says:

There is no $20 parking in Cincinnati, that I know of.

I replied:

Try parking within three blocks of PBS two hours before the Bengals kick off

The fact that it is possible to find on street parking for Bengals games does not change the fact that there are lots right by the stadium that charge $30.

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 15, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I see. It seems

my reading comprehension is sub par this afternoon.

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat

by -ManBearPig on Dec 15, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

GOOOOOOOOALLLL

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by BK on Dec 15, 2011 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

put him in a jersey for a real sport, damnit!

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 15, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

why you gotta hate on futbol?

if I can learn to re-learn to love it, then everyone can find a place for it in their heart

The ends justify the means

by Highlifeman21 on Dec 16, 2011 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I gues I'll have to amend it to, "There is no $20 parking in Cincinnati for baseball games, that I know of"

I haven’t been to a Bengals game since the 80’s, so I was not aware they charge that much to park down there.

And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head blown off

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Dec 15, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

It's bullshit, I can't believe people pay it

As MBP pointed out there’s really no reason to, yet those lots fill up every time.

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 15, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Last year Longworth was charging $35 or $40 for a car

and $5 for you to just walk up and meet your friends!

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat

by -ManBearPig on Dec 15, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Fuck all that noise

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 15, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

It's ridiculous that people don't learn.

I make it a habit to stare at people who try to feed their meters on Sunday . . . just to see if they can figure out why I’m doing so.

by FordhamRam on Dec 15, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

It's $17 to park under the stadium

It’ll probably $20 next year

I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.

by darthmom on Dec 15, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

"be" $20

I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.

by darthmom on Dec 15, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

i like to park east of GABP, under the interstate

it’s about a half-mile walk, and uphill most of the way to the stadium, but the most i paid there was $8, and that was for the playoff game last year. it’s usually $5 or $6. and it’s incredibly easy to get out of. unless i’m with my dad, who has bad knees, i park there. with my dad, i’ll pay more to park closer, usually just southest of PBS, to help out his knees.

Brevity is the soul of wit.

by Heeringa on Dec 15, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

why not drop dad off at the ballpark

Park car yourself, then meet him at the air conditioned machine room?

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by obc2 on Dec 15, 2011 5:45 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

cubs and Yankees put in bids for Yu Darvish?

C’mon Yanks!

Why hasn’t winning bid been announced? Bidding period ended last night.

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by obc2 on Dec 15, 2011 12:02 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

I kinda hope the Cubs win it.

Darvish will be good I’m sure, but he’s probably not going to make the Cubs a contender, and I’d be fine with them tying up over $100 mil into him.

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by nycredsfan on Dec 15, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

ehh, I think he's going to be really good.

and I’d hate to see him do that at Wrigley.

Anyone besides those two put in a bid?

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Dec 15, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

the Jays' bid

was reportedly humongous.

That might just be in Canadian dollars, though.

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by BubbaFan on Dec 15, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

C'mon

we all have stories from high school about people in Canada and how our “bids” were humongous.

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by Slyde on Dec 15, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Conversion rates.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Dec 15, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

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