Red Reposter - MVP attrition
by ken on Dec 12, 2011 1:00 PM EST
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- Team Braun preps defense strategy
Ryan Braun will appeal his positive test at an arbitration hearing in January. His legal team isn't divulging their strategy yet, but there are hints at what will be argued: "The early-October test that was positive for Braun revealed such an abnormally, almost off-the-charts level of testosterone, it can be argued as being invalid or tainted.... When apprised of the positive result a couple of weeks later, Braun requested an immediate retesting, which was normal. So, he could argue that so much testosterone could not have completely disappeared over that time frame, which of course can be debated." The author claims that players are 0-12 in PED test appeals, but old friend Will Carroll disagrees. - Whatever the arbitration panel decides, the BBWAA will not be taking a re-vote of the 2011 NL MVP award.
- Tom Verducci names the winners of the winter meetings
Among them: "Regional sports networks. Twelve months ago Moreno was complaining about Carl Crawford money (seven years, $142 million.) What changed? He lined up a new local TV deal that could pay him almost twice the current annual rate of $50 million -- even with the second-worst ratings in baseball. Sports programming is hot. It provides loads of content and, most importantly, content that is DVR-proof." Maury Brown talks more about Anaheim's new revenue streams: "$150 million represents the value of the Lakers television deal and the proposed new Angels deal with Fox. This would give the Angels the third-largest television revenue after the Yankees and Red Sox for the time being. The team will bring in over a billion dollars in television revenue over the life of the contract." - Sheldon recaps the winter meetings
Walt Jocketty offers a helpful dose of optimism: "We've made significant progress in a couple of directions with clubs. I feel confident we'll still get something done this winter." There's also some video of Jocketty discussing the Votto negotiations. - With some money to burn after losing Pujols, the Cardinals re-signed Rafael Furcal for two years, $14M
Not a bad deal at all - if he stays healthy. - Tender is the day
Today is the deadline for the team to offer arbitration to those eligible: Jose Arredondo, Bill Bray, Homer Bailey, Paul Janish, Nick Masset and Edinson Volquez. Fay suspects that the team will tender all six contracts, with the possible exception of Janish. He also suggests the Reds go after Ryan Theriot, who may not be tendered by St. Louis. Pass.
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Our friend Doug Gray takes stock in the system's Centerfielders
There's some depth here, starting with the Dave Sappelt Show. I wasn't pleased with Sappelt's efforts during his call-up, but hopefully he's learned a few things about The Show and will be a valuable OF contributor. If so, Chris Heisey could be expendable. - OMGreds has the goods on bobbleheads for next year
Among the team bobbleheads, only Johnny Cueto makes his debut. Sean Casey and Dan Driessen will also be bobbleheaded due to their recent induction into the Reds' HOF. - Reds Country has holiday gift ideas for the female fan
Including a Nike T-shirt with a Reds logo saying "Can’t Hit On Me", and possibly the likeness of Paul Janish on the back. - But no matter how hard Red Hot Mama wishes,
Joey Votto will not be a stocking stuffer.
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Good lord.
That second to last link is ridiculous. For starters, why not address the list to the female fans themselves, instead of to their husbands and sons? Secondly, that stuff is hideous. But mostly, there’s all of this and more:
Also, this means you don’t have to wait for her to do her hair and get to the park even earlier.
Get a size that is too big and you think she is fat. Get a size that is too small and you make her feel fat.
What female doesn’t love bling?When will Major League Baseball learn to treat its female fans as legitimate fans?
by the finest muffins on Dec 12, 2011 1:16 PM EST reply actions
Yeah, that was pretty bad.
Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Dec 12, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
This guy isn't employed by MLB
He’s just a dude with a blog on the MLBlog network. That helps, I guess, but it’s still disconcerting.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 12, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
That helps.
But he’s still a stupid face with a stupid face.
by the finest muffins on Dec 12, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
word.
Are female fans really looking for anything besides shirts cut in female sizes and non-fitted caps so you can stick a ponytail through the back? That’s all the vast majority of dude fans have.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
I couldn't really say. We're not all the same. ;)
That about covers it for me, though.
by the finest muffins on Dec 12, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
Every female baseball fan
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Dec 12, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Quit primping and let's get to our seats!
We don’t want to miss the tip-off!
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Dec 12, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
she could primp all she wants, no arguments here
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
i wouldn't kick her out of bed
i might actually tie her down.
Not if no one finds the body.
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 12, 2011 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
I think Assful Chaps played back in the Federal League days.
Catcher.
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 12, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
What, no green?
This is a traveshamockery.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Dec 12, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
some of us
want Joey Votto to stuff our stockings.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on Dec 12, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
This is going to be so much funnier when BF reveals her identity as a 40-year old man
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Dec 12, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
but what will happen to all those cats?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
He's not just for the ladies!
I’d bet this guy would like to get in on that fine Canadian stuffing.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Dec 12, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
The second quote in your comment is absolute truth, and any woman that denies it is a damned liar
Never buy clothes for a woman unless you know precisely what size to get and even then, you’re taking a chance.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Dec 12, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not to get into a whole thing here
but the sexist part about that is assuming that this unfortunate circumstance is the woman’s fault.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 12, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
To be clear, though
It is not the particular dude’s fault either.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 12, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
It's nobody's fault, yaaaaaay! :)
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
eh, call me a liar, then
I don’t think it’s a big deal.
Women’s clothing sizes are impossible. Even women can’t figure them out. I sure don’t expect men to.
What used to be a size 8 the last time they standardized sizes is now something like a size 2. But it’s not uniform. Sewing patterns and low-end stores like K-Mart tend to stick to the traditional sizes meaning they run really small. The more expensive the clothes, the more likely sizes are to run big. A Calvin Klein 8 is what used to be 14 or so.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I don't think so
But most men are really clueless about bra sizes (and I guess you can’t blame them, since they say most women are wearing the wrong bra size).
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
"since they say most women are wearing the wrong bra size"
Which happens more, stuffing into too small a cup size, or stuffing to fill a larger cup size?
Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun
beats me
I would guess it’s about equal. Part of the problem is that you can’t always get the band size and cup size that fit at the same time. And a lot of women like their bras loose, because it’s comfortable. But it’s not terribly flattering.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
isn't it true that women make their breasts look bigger by wearing a smaller bra size?
and if they think they are too big and don’t wanna go the reduction route, they wear something looser fitting and bigger than they need?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
IME, no
If you want to look bigger, you get a pushup bra, like a WonderBra. That thing will put cleavage on a 2×4.
A sports bra will make you looks smaller. A lot of women who don’t need to look smaller wear sports bras anyway, because they are so comfortable.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on Dec 12, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
sports bras make saggy women look less saggy
which is false advertising
and IMO sports bras typically are sexy, until removed and you’re lied to
pushup bras are also false advertsing
a great ass? that’s harder to fake IMO
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
eh
There are push up and padded panties. Booty boosters, as it were.
IME, most men don’t care if the jiggly bits are fake. They just want to be seen in public with a fabulous babe. If she’s not so fabulous when she takes off her clothes, they really don’t mind.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
arm candy is a great thing, don't get me wrong
depends what you’re lookin’ for when she takes off her clothes and she’s not so fab
not all men are created equally, and if you can dress her up and take her out, but she’s not all that when the clothes come off, then it might be time to re-evaluate that situation…. especially if you’re lookin’ at it long term
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
long term
it all goes gray, wrinkles or sags. Her bra is the least of your worries.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
you're right, everything ages and gravity doesn't improve things
but at least give stuff a fighting chance, if you buy a house, you give it a home inspection first before you buy
you’re not going to buy a house with a leaky roof, busted furnace and a basement that floods thru the foundation anytime it rains
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
What if you're into fixer-uppers?
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
/Hugh Grant'd
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 12, 2011 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
the ones with self esteem issues almost always seem to
they have to get your attention and keep your attention somehow
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
I bet your like 19
and watch alot of movies about this stuff……and Tucker Max is on your bookshelf.
@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Dec 12, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hey!!
Ahem, 31 is not old!!
And marriage is bliss
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
To be 31 again
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
I'll be 30 one month from today.
I’m not terribly excited about it, but I do know that NYE is going to be a fucking bender though.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 12, 2011 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
is everyone around here class of 99 or 00
turned 30 last month
@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Dec 12, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
Class of '94, I'll be 35 on Christmas
Now get off my lawn.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
94 as well ... 35 in september
Individuality: Always remember that you are unique. Just like everybody else.
by joshuar9476 on Dec 13, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
I'm gonna go ahead and guess September 4th
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Dec 13, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
'00
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 13, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
'90
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 13, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
'96 for me
Good lord young’uns, I graduated from college in 2000 and was promoted to an HQ supervisor when crolfer was still in high school!
darthmom: It's like sabremetrics, but for boobs.
'01... 30 is still 2 glorious years away.
"Red Reporter - An elitist clique full of like-minded douchebags." - BK
ageist....
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't say I hate you because you are old
I said you are much older than me. And I hate you for much more legitimate reasons than your age.
woooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooo!!!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 13, 2011 7:37 AM EST up reply actions
these legitimate reasons are b/c you think Drew Stubbs has talent?
and you’re wrong?
or are there other reasons?
:)
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 13, 2011 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
who the Hell is Tucker Max?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
never heard of him
what’s his claim to fame?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
his initial "memoir"
I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell was/is on the NY Times bestseller list for 5+ years.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 12, 2011 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
let's assume I have no idea who Tucker Max is..
and I’m a little older than 19..
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
It's still funny because I'm wondering if he's for real
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
I'm just venting because I saw
over 400 comments and was like “fuck yeah the Reds might have a little money and are talking to somone,” but then I realized 200 of those comments are talking about bra fittings and a round table about men’s jeans.
Much like you and the chick with the push-up bra, I am left with the feeling of wanting more and a bitter taste of false advertisement.
@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Dec 12, 2011 9:09 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
I just want in 'tHan's pants
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
depends how much coin you have
and what needs fixing upping
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
So...
I can’t remember a time in my life comparing about with and without bra situations with a women, then complaining about false advertisment.
@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Dec 12, 2011 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
again, I'm not a breast man, definitely an ass man
however, I’ve run into a couple instances of “wait a minute…. that was the bra, not you….”
definitely a let down, b/c if a woman’s that insecure, hello slippery slope
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
If a bra is too small the boobs just pop out in weird places
like on the sides and a too small bra does not make a flattering cleavage. And if your boobs are too big you can’t wear a looser bra because then you would have no support which is not comfortable or flattering. A bra fits correctly if your boobs sit halfway between your elbow and shoulder. Again, this is a weird baseball blog.
I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
when the Reds have no money and are talking to no one
we need to find something to talk about
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
"Red Reporter: A Weird Baseball Blog"
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
by UncleWeez on Dec 12, 2011 8:00 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
understatement if I've ever read one....
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
says the lady with a "darth vader riding my little pony" picture
Individuality: Always remember that you are unique. Just like everybody else.
by joshuar9476 on Dec 13, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I didn't say I didn't like it weird....
I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
which is why they should go to Columbia, MO
home of Crolfer and the custom bra fitting store. Unrelated, I’m sure.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Dec 12, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I understand HLM's comment now.
I am not good enough at bras to sell those suckers. Those things are the most confusing contraptions ever.
ain't about takin' em off or on, broheim
it’s all about your ability to visually guess size and then confirm with your hands
leave the selling to me
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 13, 2011 12:52 AM EST up reply actions
I believe in you
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 13, 2011 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
I know you're a natural
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 16, 2011 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
I helped work my way into relations with a female once by guessing her bra size correctly
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Dec 12, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
well, that didn't work the way I had hoped
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
that could be taken the wrong way.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Dec 12, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
hahaha, I guess you're right
I tried for some alt text but it didn’t work.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Is that a picture of said conquest?
Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun
by btcoop71 on Dec 12, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I'm proud of myself that I decided not to post a photo of Jerry Sandusky.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Dec 12, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
I caused a brief flame war on EDSBS
When I said I really likes Jim Boeheim, and posted a pic of Joe Paterno
Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun
by btcoop71 on Dec 12, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
ahh, the ol' "goodnight sweet prince" meme
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Dec 12, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Tell me that has been PhotoShopped™...
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 12, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
STRANGER DANGER
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Dec 12, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
There's no way your mother could fit in that uniform
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Well to be fair to your mom, the sizes keep changing
What used to be an Eagle Scout shirt is now a Cub Scout shirt.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Dec 12, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
/Webelos'd
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 12, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
Quick, what's my bra size?
Not that I want to have relations with you or anything. Just testing your skill.
B cup based on what I read in the other post
Not sure why I answered this other than because I knew the answer.
I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
From memory, I'd say about a 34B
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Very good!
Victoria’s Secret says 34C, but they lie about cup sizes to make women feel better about themselves.
Jim Day'd
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I really wish my alt text had worked here
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
you know about the cup sizes and all? They have different cups.
You got the A, B, C the D. That’s the biggest.
by 'tHan on Dec 12, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I actually drooled on my desk a little while laughing at this
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
seinfield?
@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Dec 12, 2011 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
Jokes are much funnier when you explain them
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Dec 12, 2011 7:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This is called sarcasm.
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 12, 2011 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
I couldn't remember if it was seinfield or king of quenns
@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Dec 12, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
if it was funny
rule out king of queens
by 'tHan on Dec 12, 2011 7:40 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
so the # is the chest measurement, taken mid nipple, much like a man is measured for a suit?
or is that cup size, with an adjustment to a chart?
and then band size, the #, is the measurement below the breasts +5?
All I know is that the easiest way to shop for bras is to buy a VS gift card and say “buy us something we’ll both like”
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
you're right
about the gift card. :-)
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
so answer the rest of my question
please
my inquiring mind wants to know
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
First you measure your band size with is right at your rib cage just
under where your bra would sit and add 5 to that measurement. Next you measure the fullest part of the breast (across the nipples) and that is the cup size. Then you subract your band size from your cup size to get your actual cup size. Depending on many inches bigger that measurement is compared to the first measurement that’s how you get the letter size. For example, if measurement #2 is 1" bigger than measurement #2 then that’s an A cup, 2" B cup, 3" C cup, etc. It’s like sabermetrics but for boobs.
I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
Red Reporter: It’s like sabermetrics, but for boobs.
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 12, 2011 8:11 PM EST up reply actions 11 recs
holy fuck! that's complicated!
I generally stick with “she’s got a nice ass, though,” “boobs,” or “holy boobs!”
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 12, 2011 8:12 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
"It’s like sabermetrics but for boobs"
If that’s not the next tagline for RR, then I give up.
by DerekH91 on Dec 12, 2011 8:14 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Oops, it should say "if measurement #2 is 1" bigger than
measurement #1" but you guys already figured that out.
I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
we're all good like that!!
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
Or you can just go to Nordstroms bra department and they'll do all
the measuring and figuring for you. You get felt up for a couple a minutes by an old lady with pink hair but at least you know you got the proper size bras.
I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
I read that as fingering,
which was better until the old lady with pink hair part.
Go Colts Dammit!
by Ram27 on Dec 12, 2011 8:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah, not the visual I wanted
and a movie I would quickly turn off
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
so I wasn't far off?
I wonder if I I could partner with crolfer and his sizing perfection?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't go to a guy for a bra fitting
although my ob/gyn is a man…. hmm….
I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
does he know his way around?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
you get it now
we’ll go into business
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 13, 2011 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
what is this, your own personal google?
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Dec 12, 2011 7:21 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
RR is my source of knowledge
my wikipedia, if you will
Google is for amateurs
why go to that URL when I know this one?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
We really do need to make jerkipedia.com to redirect here
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Dec 12, 2011 7:37 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
and to specific posts
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
It's just like fast food portions
What used to be a small no longer exists, and what used to be a large is now a small.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Dec 12, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
Remember when there was no small size?
Just medium, large, and supersize?
How fucking dumb did they think we were?
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 12, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
they can call it whatever they want to
if they’ll take the combos back down to $2.99 like they started out.
that would be DAMNED liar :)
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
A Calvin Klein 8 is what used to be a 14??
I’m sad now. :(
I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
bleh, reply fail
there’s some issue with that for men, but the other direction. Old Navy Jeans waist 32" will be the same as GAP 34" and Banana 36". And it’s changing rapidly; I keep on going down sizes on my waist when I buy pants even though I’ve gained weight in the past few years.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Was about to post this
I can see female sizes changing because an “8” doesn’t represent an objective standard, to my knowledge. But a 32" waist – I don’t see how that changes over time.
x
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Dec 12, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
really?
And here I thought guys could just look at the waist size and inseam, and buy it off the rack without even trying it on.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
it's true
more so with shirts, but I’ve noticed it in pants too.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
I've not had the problem Cy has, but I've had issues with the length being true
Also, 33W 36L pants are a bitch to find on the rack. Thanks internet!
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Woah. That's my size too.
#SoulMates
It feels so nice to be back to normal
by nycredsfan on Dec 12, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If I was still in college...
I’m 34/32 now…but slowly working my way down to 32/32 again!
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
Same here
The newest pair of Levi’s I bought are 33/32. Most of my slacks are 34/32 though.
I love to say slacks. Slacks slacks slacks slacks slacks!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 12, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
My length is all in my torso
I can never get a dress shirt to stay tucked in.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 12, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
being torso tall is a bitch
my inseam is 31", so finding 35W 31L, yeah..
I hate low riding 30L b/c then no shirt ever fucking stays tucked in, and I hate my pants not breaking perfectly on my shoes, and I hate the way 32L looks on me b/c they just crumple on top of my shoes..
Where’s Pops with his haberdashery tips?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
I'm squeezing into 36W 30L.
28L is more like it…and I’ve never seen them.
I’m the shape of Hack Wilson.
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 12, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
damn, 28L
what’s your height?
I’m 6’1", and just built very oddly
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
I'm 5'6" and "built like a fireplug."
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 12, 2011 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
Black Friday story
I was waiting in line @ Kohls around 1 AM ish, and the group behind me had one of their crew go to the men’s jeans section to go try and find a 44W 28L.
I was thinking to myself “good fucking luck”
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
that's my size.
i have to shop at Casual Male/Big & Tall, usually. jcpenny has started to carry a better selection of big and tall sizes.
i’m not short at 5’10". i just have a long midsection to go with my short legs. i’m taller than both my parents.
I'm guessing you're not either 12 or 14
that was the age (can’t remember which one) of the kid they were going to look for jeans in the men’s section
the worst was when I was at my most rotund and was working for Merrill Lynch as an intern way back in the day and had to rock some pretty nice threads (but they hooked me up with a nice gift from Men’s Warehouse) and at the time I was a 42W 31L. When I started to drop some lbs, they really couldn’t turn 42s into 38s, so Goodwill benefited greatly
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
Whateva you wanna think, darlin'.
It’s still going right up yer butt.
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 13, 2011 2:27 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Me!
31-33, 30-32. jch is right about length being more diverse than waist, but waist is also bigtime diverse. Which doesn’t make sense, cuz science has pretty well determined the length of an inch.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
I'm still rockin' the 32/32 as well!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 12, 2011 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
Down there with the rest of the shorties
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
to be fair to clothiers
Almost no one in America has your body shape
Buy RED: My Uncensored Life in Rock by Sammy Hagar, today
by obc2 on Dec 12, 2011 7:05 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Heroin addicts?
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 12, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
Lab assistants?
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 12, 2011 7:13 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Leave me out of this, bucko
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Dec 12, 2011 7:31 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
damn, the worst I ever had was a 28/34
6’3", 150 lbs soaking wet. Those were the days.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I get my jeans hawed
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Dec 12, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
how much does that cost you?
I should really look into buying 36W 32L, and getting those turned into 31L..
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
where the heck are you buying your jeans?
I know of no free tailoring alterations
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
high roller
If I had your loot, I’d burn mine
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
more like NERDstrom
amirite?
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
by UncleWeez on Dec 12, 2011 8:01 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
My wife is a seamstress.
Of course, she prefers the “manly” look of a rolled jean hem over a work boot.
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 12, 2011 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
rolled out, of course I'm assuming
not rolled in..
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
Righto.
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 12, 2011 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
love it
do you wear your jeans the same way over your uggs?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
I live in Southern California.
I seldom wear shoes at all. I’m all-Teva, all the time.
Come to think of it, I rarely wear pants. I wear shorts 90% of the time.
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 12, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
Why are you wasting your time on the internet?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 12, 2011 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
Batch digitizing and color correcting today.
Lots of down time.
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 12, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
Done that. :)
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 12, 2011 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
Petey, are you an LA man?
I just moved to San Diego about a month ago.
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
Yep - near Universal Studios.
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 12, 2011 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
perhaps I'll mosey on up to Chavez Ravine
when the Reds are in town
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
No worries if you're late...
…being a local, I am not allowed to appear within the stadium until the third inning. :P
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 12, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
Somed of Cy's issues might be a typical male loss of waist around age 30-35.
As men gain age and gain weight, their pants tend to fall from their waist to hanging above their hip bones. This leads to looseness of pants at the waist…unless you are pulling them up to where they used to be.
This is the cause of “plumber’s crack.”
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 12, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
...but I'm 24!
and old pants fit fine, it’s just finding new ones.
I would go on, but this has already gotten to sounding real defensive
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
I repeal my post, as I am now certain that this does not fit Cy's situation.
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 12, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
Cy ain't that old
He just flunked out of Webelos not too long ago.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 12, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
Call me a damned liar, then.
As long as you don’t mind me returning the gift and getting something that fits, I don’t give two shits if you bought the wrong size. I buy the wrong size more than half the time myself. There’s pretty much no standardization at all in women’s sizing, plus we don’t get more than one number to reckon with like you do with men’s clothes. It’s basically a shot in the dark.
by the finest muffins on Dec 12, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
"There’s pretty much no standardization at all in women’s sizing"
All the more reason to never, ever wear clothes in the first place.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 12, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
that's the real danger in men buying clothes for women
The guys always want something sexy, and the woman looks at it and thinks it’s slutty.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
depends on the occasion really
sometimes slutty is appropriate, and sometimes slutty really is sexy and not slutty at all
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
so basically
sometimes slutty is awesome, and other times it’s just kind of really awesome?
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 12, 2011 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
yes
you’ve always seemed to really get me
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
ugh, that shirt is hideous
The Red “C” right over the belly is not flattering for anyone, male or female.
Unless it’s supposed to be a maternity shirt. Would explain the “don’t hit on me” slogan…
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on Dec 12, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Communist!
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Dec 12, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The plan is working perfectly!
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Dec 12, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
What happened to that other Nike one they had in the pro shop?
I love my Nike “Chicks Dig Diamonds” shirt.
Lord, I don't know why it took me so long to think of this
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
i would trade
hamilton alonso end and frasier for that. plus lincecum
Jack McKeon on 2000 Reds "We have more MRI's than RBI's on this club."
I wouldn't mind the tote, either
It’s small enough to meet the standards for bringing into the ballpark. \
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Yeah, hideous is a strong word for that.
But the last thing in the world I need is another tote bag. Everyone and their mother gives those things away for free.
by the finest muffins on Dec 12, 2011 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
The tote is too shiny for me but if I got it as a gift I would probably use it.
I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
I like the shininess
Maybe not for everyday, but it would be just the thing to put a camera and long lens in the next time I go to a BBWAA formal dinner or something.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
That's true
I don’t go anywhere formal so that wouldn’t occur to me.
I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
yeah
it looked like you could carry a few things in it which would be nice. Also, it just looks different form most MLB purses I’ve seen
Confession: I own that quilted tote.
I have had it for two years and I love it.
by Hawkeye00 on Dec 13, 2011 8:22 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Advice for gift buying for a female Reds fan.
“You know her, right? Ok, buy her something she’ll like.”
Is there a mod so powerful he can ban himself?
by andromache on Dec 13, 2011 9:33 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Nailed it.
This was the point I was trying to make waaaaaaay back with my “we’re not all the same” comment.
by the finest muffins on Dec 13, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
That's what I assumed...
but I think it’s standard practice for these “gift-giving guides for men” to start from the basic assumption that he knows absolutely nothing about here, let alone what she might want. If that’s the case, then I guess the best you can do is make some sort of decision based on generalizations.
Still not a candidate.
has it held up well?
Can you actually put stuff in it without it breaking?
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Yep, I use it for most of the Reds games I go to
Which is usually pushing 20 games or so. I’ve run in through the washing machine several times too (the stadium floor is gross) and it came out fine.
I’m excited to use it this year-I checked, my iPad fits in it.
you need your iPad at GABP?
Contributing little more than than snark and wittiness to SBN since 2007.
by Yossarian22 on Dec 13, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
"Need" is such a strong word
I don’t really NEED an iPad at all. But I have one, and it’s its easier to read RR threads on it than on the iPhone.
darthmom: It's like sabremetrics, but for boobs.
iPads are banned at Yankee Stadium
There’s a reason I prefer minor league games.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
And why I prefer to avoid any games involving the Yankees.
darthmom: It's like sabremetrics, but for boobs.
by Hawkeye00 on Dec 13, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I think the Mets are even worse
Maybe it’s a New York thing.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
This is why you need your iPad at GABP
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Dec 13, 2011 7:15 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
how have we not seen this before??
You been holding out on us!
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I was probably saving it for Voley's Festivole recap
This was taken during a taping of Reds Live, about 20 feet from Jim Day. Also, if you had twitter, you’d have seen all of the great pics from that weekend!
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
I forgot about that-that was hilarious!
Good times.
darthmom: It's like sabremetrics, but for boobs.
mere pen and paper could not convey that message!
Contributing little more than than snark and wittiness to SBN since 2007.
I bet
vending machines like this would be a license to print money at sports stadiums.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
thanks
I might pick up on of those myself.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Aramis Ramirez
was signed by the Brewers. I think that’s a pretty good move for them.
I want to hate Tim Tebow, but for some reason, I don't
by Joe Nolan's Neckbeard on Dec 12, 2011 1:20 PM EST reply actions
watching Fatty McGahee boot grounders all season was fun, though.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
Fatty MacGahee,
you’re the fattest!
I want to hate Tim Tebow, but for some reason, I don't
by Joe Nolan's Neckbeard on Dec 12, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
Jeff Cirillo ain't walking through that door!
Casey was pretty good in 2009/2010. I wonder what happened.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
does it seem backwards to anyone else that Rolen has retained his
defensive prowess through his old age, yet his hitting fell off a cliff?
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
Have you seen him move laterally in the past year or so?
He can’t.
Reflexes and arm will always be there. Range now comically bad.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Dec 12, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
Agree
his range is average at best now, but his reputation soldiers on (because to be fair, he does make every play he gets to like clockwork).
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
he shocked me a couple of times this year by how high he could jump still
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
He's also reaching the age of diminishing returns
Let’s hope this year was just a contract year bump and he does back to inexorable decline.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Dec 12, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
Will be interesting to see the dollars
Aramis opted out of a pricey option ($16M?). I thought he would’ve signed something longer-term because he’s not going to be getting that much per year.
With McGahee, the Brewers are cornering the market on former Cubs’ 3B.
I really think the best move the Cubs could have made would have been
freezing Ron Santo and waiting.
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 12, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Dead one-legged third basemen are the new market inefficiency
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
If I were Bobby C i would buy the rights to the remains for every single MLB player
it can’t cost that much, and I would freeze them, and I would wait for science to come along with not only a way to wake them up, but a way to make them the players they were ages 20-35.
Contributing little more than than snark and wittiness to SBN since 2007.
Rosenthal is reporting between 34 and 37 mil over 3 yrs
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
correct
hopefully he goes to Toronto, or somewhere else in the AL
either way, he’s not coming back to Milwaukee
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
Or St. Louis
I think the Brewers hate them at least as much as we do, especially after the playoffs this year.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Dec 12, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
why would you hope that he stays in the division?
just to spite Brewers fans?
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
No reason to be spiteful
/watching Pujols jersey burnings on youtube
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Dec 12, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
I am hoping the St. Louis Browns sign him.
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 12, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
I hear they have an opening in LF
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Like it owes him money!
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 12, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
and Hairston,
they’re like the island of misfit Central thirdbasemen
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
The man hit well when it was peanut butter and jelly time.
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 12, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
Wait a minute...
Ryan Braun…early October…that asshole! I thought he just really wanted to see me for my birthday!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 12, 2011 1:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions
So I think I've decided I want Gavin Floyd
What’s that gonna take?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 12, 2011 3:03 PM EST reply actions
have you signed away the naming rights to your first born?
Contributing little more than than snark and wittiness to SBN since 2007.
Do we really want another 3 or 4 guy?
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Dec 12, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly.
You’ll see in my post tomorrow, but I’m on the Go Big or Go Home train. I want a Gonzalez or Shields, or bust.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
What size bust are you looking for?
Are we talking A, B, C, or D?
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
This is what you like?
Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun
by btcoop71 on Dec 12, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
"Goin' hoggin'" has never been more appropriate
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
so am I an Arkansas fan or a Texas A&M fan?
Contributing little more than than snark and wittiness to SBN since 2007.
And the writing on the shirts
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I thought for sure this would've been from Deliverance
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
And the visible signs of dysentary
From rutting around in the shit-mud.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Dec 12, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
Is that John Daly?
I want to hate Tim Tebow, but for some reason, I don't
by Joe Nolan's Neckbeard on Dec 12, 2011 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
No, dude. It's a towel.
How can you not know that this is a man waving a towel?
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 12, 2011 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, I think it's his shirt.
I want to hate Tim Tebow, but for some reason, I don't
by Joe Nolan's Neckbeard on Dec 12, 2011 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
I think Floyd is better than Gonzalez
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 12, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
It's been verified with the power of numbers and stuff!
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Dec 12, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
you really think Gio would play well at Great American?
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
"I'm going to take my talents to the third row of the Moon Deck"
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Dec 12, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Arroyo'd
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 7:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
/8throw'd
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 12, 2011 7:15 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
whiplash'd
nah, Arroyo doesn’t turn to look anymore, except to look at his next Nasty Hook victim as she passes by
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
I do. Walks are bad anywhere, but Ks and GBs are good for GABP.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
by nycredsfan on Dec 12, 2011 7:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think they're quite comparable at the end of the day
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
yep I want want Shields big-time
That guy has a reasonable contract through 2014….HUGE. I thought his contract was only through 2013, no wonder they want a ton.
I also want Quentin and trade for Bailey…..all without trading Hamilton or Mesoraco, and key current roster guys. If they did something like that it would be awesome.
@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Dec 12, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, good luck with that.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
by nycredsfan on Dec 12, 2011 7:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Brewers managed to pull off something similar last year
and the everyone likes to give good players to the Phillies for junk prospects…..so it can be done
@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Dec 12, 2011 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
Quentin is awful
Just an awful idea.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 12, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
Nope he's awesomesauce considering you can trade a filler guy sappelt to get him
@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Dec 12, 2011 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
You misspelled "awfulsauce"
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 12, 2011 8:10 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
He's not *that* bad
honestly, I mean he’s quite a significant improvement on Jonny Gomes, and we begrudgingly lived with that for two years.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Quentin hits like Chris Heisey
and plays defense like Jonny Gomes. Awfulsauce.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 12, 2011 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
the only quentin i know
died of cancer when he we were in 7th grade
by 'tHan on Dec 12, 2011 9:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
going for cancer recs?
e
@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Dec 12, 2011 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
Your friend died!
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 13, 2011 2:31 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Stranger danger! Stranger danger!
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 13, 2011 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
that's not true
unless he spells it Kwentin
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Dec 12, 2011 11:55 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Heh
He’s more accurately my half-brother, though we began our relationship as step-brothers. My dad married his mom, then my dad adopted him.
Funny story though, when we were kids my dad had him convinced that we were going to legally change his name to “Kwentin” so that he would better fit in with the family. He had to. He was silent but distraught throughout his entire birthday party.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 13, 2011 7:47 AM EST up reply actions
So he's a brother from another mother?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
wow
That’s kind of a mean thing to do to a kid on his birthday.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
You know what I got for my birthday? Oh, it was a banner fucking year for the old Harrison family. I got a carton of cigarettes. The old man grabbed me and said, "Hey, smoke up Johnny!"
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
that's bad, too
I would expect my dad to remember my name at least.
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by BubbaFan on Dec 13, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
He absolutely does not hit like Chris Heisey
when’s the last time Heisey had an OBP north of .340, much less .390. And if Heisey maintained the power he showed last year over 8 times as many PAs, then at least he would have almost as much power as Quentin.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
When's the last time Quentin had an OBP north of .390?
I admit my comparisons were hyperbolic and over-simplified, but the point still stands that Quentin is not an attractive trade target.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 12, 2011 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
2008 in majors, his minor league average was .429
He’s only 29 and in a contract year. In 2009 he missed 2 months because of plantar fasciltis, those muscle type of injuries take awhile to get your full strength back. I’m guessing he’s working extra hard this off-season to play the best season of his career.
He’s an EXTREMELY attractive target. I think he’s next year’s Beltre-style contract year breakout.
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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 12, 2011 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe I'm crazy
but I’m agreeing with Dave. If the cost is Sappelt plus filler, Quentin is someone I’d have major interest in acquiring. Really, the cost shouldn’t be a great deal more than that.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
true, but he'll be making what, $9 million next year?
That eats up all the free cash flow allotted for next season, so if they get him, they’d have to use the rest of the prospects to overpay for an “ace” making league minimum (like Latos) to fulfill their offseason acquisition ideas.
Getting Quentin on the “cheap” in terms of prospects just means they’d have to give them to someone else in this endgame.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 12, 2011 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
They have to get the pitcher first
then Quentin, then a closer with whatever is left.
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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 12, 2011 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
I just don't see it happening.
If the Reds somehow came up with another 10 mill to spend (cough…Arrolenyo…cough, cough), I wouldn’t really hate it, but I just don’t see him as anywhere near the top 10 targets for this year.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 12, 2011 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
And there's the rub
Quentin ain’t $9 mil better than Heisey. Not by a damn sight.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 12, 2011 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
I know there are those out there that give dang good rubs.
I don’t think that rub is worth the cost.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 12, 2011 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
Depends if you think he's a 2-3 WAR guy or a 4-5 WAR guy
Don’t get me wrong, Plan A starts and ends with Sheilds. But once you get Shields, there is no fucking way they are throwing Heisey out there again. He must have been with worst outfielder in baseball for June and July.
I like Quentin a hell of a lot more than Willingham.
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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 12, 2011 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
You exaggerate a lot
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by kcgard2 on Dec 13, 2011 9:09 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He exaggerates more than anyone else here!
Still not a candidate.
by Gray on Dec 13, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Just like Gavin Floyd is nowhere near 6 million better than Gio Gonzalez.
Right, Chuck? :-)
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More than Walt is willing to give up.
Break down yer rationale, Chuck. I’m anxious to read it.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 12, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
Tapioca cottage cheese?
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Dec 12, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
Whale splooge?
I want to hate Tim Tebow, but for some reason, I don't
by Joe Nolan's Neckbeard on Dec 12, 2011 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
A rudimentary paste?
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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 12, 2011 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
The internet says this is tapioca pudding
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He's averaged around a 3.60 FIP the last three years
190 innings per year, and he’s only making $16.5 mil for two years. He’s not the ace we want, but he’s better than Gio Gonzalez and will likely cost less.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 12, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
Eh, more like 3.65 or 3.70
Either way, he’s pretty good. And decently priced. And gettable.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 12, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
He's a back of the rotation guy on a good team
And a middle of the rotation guy on a crappy team.
An upgrade, yes, but not one that’s going to make anyone feel better.
Rather have Danks.
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Dec 12, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
He's back of the rotation in Anaheim or Philadelphia
that’s it. He’s solid mid-rotation and would be the best pitcher on a good number of teams (ours?).
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
He would be #3 on our team.
Behind Cueto and Leake.
Maybe Arroyo gets the benefit of the doubt and pushes him to #4.
NOT GOOD ENOUGH
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Dec 12, 2011 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
This is not accurate
it would be 1a and 1b with Cueto
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Floyd has post better WARs the past three seasons
than Cueto ever has. It would be Floyd – 1, Cueto – 2.
I love Cueto, but he has to stay healthy before I give him that kind of benefit of the doubt.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 12, 2011 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly
I was giving Cueto a BIG benefit of the doubt that last year was mostly for real and deference to the current Red kinda thing. And to even put Arroyo in the conversation is insane.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Yeah, but again, Cueto's trending in a better direction, and he was much, much more effective than Floyd in 2011
The difference is the IP. So the point about health is a good one. Cueto needs to put up a 200 IP season soon.
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Yes.
This is why I’m so sold on Shields/Gio and less so on Jurrjens. I want 2 rotation members to throw a combined 400 innings next season.
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Floyd has averaged 195 innings over the last 4 seasons
I’m down with that.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 12, 2011 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
Yep, I'd definitely take him.
I wouldn’t give up both Grandal and Alonso for him, though.
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Me neither
and I don’t think it would take that. I think it would take that much to get Gio, though.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 12, 2011 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
It would, and possibly more (read my post tomorrow!!)
And I’d give it up for Gio, gladly.
I think it would take close to that for Floyd.
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That's where we disagree
And I’m totally cool with that.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 12, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I think you care about FIP and WAR for pitchers more than I do
I’ve really come around on the ERA+ thing, as well as K rates and GB rates. Which is why I like Gio better. Also, the 2 extra years and cheaper cost matter a lot to me.
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ERA+? What is this, 2006?
I dig FIP and SIERA quite a bit, but I look most at IP, K/BB, and batted ball rates.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 12, 2011 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
We are true name buddies again
it’s been too long
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Yeah, the thing is
FIP and SIERA tell you what should’ve happened, whereas ERA+ tells you what did happen. I’m starting to think that matters more than we think, especially when looking for trends.
I just think FIP ignores things that could be pitcher skill, and at the very least oversimplifies a very complex situation. Which, if that’s the case, I’d rather pay attention to actual results than hypothetical scenarios.
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ERA+ just adjusts ERA to the league average
and ERA tells you very little.
That’s why I look most at IP, K/BB, and batted ball rates. Especially BB rates and GB%. That’s why I was all up ons Cahill and I’m pretty stoked about Leake.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 12, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
fuck that.
I look at MPH and % of fist-pumps and screams per K.
That’s the real shit.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 12, 2011 6:56 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
This dude was HOF material.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 12, 2011 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
Fair points
but ERA is also not exactly a record of what actually happened, in that completely arbitrary scorer decisions play a part, not to mention the enormous elephant in the room with ERA which is defense. You can make a mental adjustment for defense, but that sure is crude…
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
i know rubun knows pitching
300 hrs 1300 rbi’s but who is fip?
Jack McKeon on 2000 Reds "We have more MRI's than RBI's on this club."
He already plays in an extremely unfavorable HR park
in the league where DHs bat.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
if anything, it might depress his BABIP.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 12, 2011 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
He has a tolerable GB rate
He was nearly 50% last season. The low walk rate is key though. With this defense, as long as a pitcher doesn’t issue too many free passes I think he’ll be okay.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 12, 2011 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
Not as good as Gio's almost 48%
The higher Ks and extra groundballs more than make up for the walks, IMO.
Also, Floyd was at about 43% in 2011, not close to 50%.
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Gio has like the 2nd highest walk rate among qualified starters over the last two years
that’s REALLY high, if you are going to grouse about extremes
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Right
Neither guy is perfect. If they were, they wouldn’t be available.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 12, 2011 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
Not entirely true.
Votto is perfect, yet he’ll be available next year.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 12, 2011 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
I know. It's really high.
But it’s (slowly) trending in the right direction. And that’s really what this is about. Upside. Gio may not get better, but even if he doesn’t, he’s roughly the same as Floyd. But his stuff is much better, he’s younger, and he’s seemingly getting better. He could be an ace, and Floyd won’t be.
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Much of this sounds like Volquez praise circa offseason 2008
I am not totally disagreeing with you, but there’s something to be said for guaranteed production (as it were)
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
That's true
But to be fair, Gio has 2 quite good seasons under his belt.
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Is Mike Leake one of those 2 people?
Contributing little more than than snark and wittiness to SBN since 2007.
He's not better than Gonzalez, and he certainly has less upside
Gonzalez Ks a lot more than Floyd, and he gets more groundballs. He also walks more, but those numbers have gone down each year.
Gonzalez will probably cost around $12 million over the next 2 seasons, then he’s under control for 2 more after that. And look at the direction Gio’s FIP’s have taken. They are dropping like a rock, whereas Floyd’s have been consistent in the upper 3’s.
Floyd’s a nice pitcher, and I’d definitely take him, but given the 2 extra years of control, and the fact that Kenny Williams is a psycho who will demand way too much for his pitchers, I’d much rather make a run at Gonzalez.
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Not better than Gonzo?
I’m going to go ahead and disregard Floyd’s more established track record and just compare their last two seasons of production. Floyd has a better SIERA, FIP, xFIP, K/BB, and fWAR. bWAR gives Gio a tremendous advantage, for what that is worth. If you squint hard enough, the best you can say is that Gio is equal to Floyd, given the fact that he is 26 and perhaps has some projectability left and Floyd is 29 and likely doesn’t. But you cannot say that Gio is better than Floyd.
And I get the sense that Floyd will cost less prospect-wise than Gio would. I think he’s the smarter move.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 12, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Floyd would definitely cost less in prospects.
Because he’s older, not as good, and makes more money.
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Dec 12, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
Read carefully, I never said Gio was better. I just said Floyd isn't better either.
Which, I don’t think he is. This is similar to the Jurrjens/Cueto debate. Look at the direction Gio’s numbers are taking. Each year in the majors he has lowered his walk rate and his FIP. There is tremendous upside there, and he has consistently gotten better as an MLBer. Floyd has been about .5 a win better per season over the last 2. That’s small enough to be within the margin for error, especially when you consider Floyd tends to underperform his FIP and Gio outperforms his.
Like I said, I’d take Floyd, but given the significantly cheaper dollar cost over the next 2 seasons, plus the 2 extra seasons of team control, it’s a no-brainer to me. Gio is a much better trade target.
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Oh, yeah, the groundballs.
In GABP and in front of the Reds defense, a 4% higher GB rate is nothing to sneeze at either.
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This is not the Jurrjens/Cueto debate
Those dudes have four years of data to work with. That’s enough to confidently establish a trend line. Gio has 2.5 years of data. I like where he is going, but I don’t have the same confidence in the sample size.
I’m more confident that Floyd can remain a #2 over the next two years. And I don’t really give a shit about Gio’s extra two years of control. #VottoWindow
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 12, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
I'm with Chuckie
maybe Gio outperforms FIP so well because he plays in a cavernous park in front of a great defense. Floyd plays in one of the smallest parks in the game in front of a really bad defense.
I like both pitchers and would gladly take either. Floyd is more of a sure thing (3-5 WAR), Gio is more of a lottery ticket (2-6 WAR). Gio has extra control which is nice, but that’s also why he’ll cost more.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Floyd won't ever be worth 5 wins.
I see your point about defenses and parks, but FIP has more to do with strand rates, and the As defense isn’t that good.
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by nycredsfan on Dec 12, 2011 5:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Defense is all the A's have had for the past 3 years
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Floyd had 4.5 and 4.3
‘09 and ’10. If he pitches 200 innings he could get to 5, considering the HUGE upgrade the Reds’ defense would be for him (and facing pitchers too).
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Well, for one, WAR is based on FIP, so theoretically the defense doesn't matter.
Also, throwing those extra innings, while maintaining his effectiveness, is something he’s never done. I wouldn’t count on it.
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by nycredsfan on Dec 12, 2011 5:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The defense matters even in FIP WAR because of the boost it gives to your IP total
defense can have a not insignificant role even in FIP WAR. Going from a really bad defense to a really good one (if I could ballpark it) could give 1 WAR I think. Maybe more I don’t know.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
And since when does FIP have much to do with strand rates?
FIP is hugely influenced by parks, and if it has to do with strand rates as you claim, then defense is a big factor as well. But FIP isn’t about strand rates.
Did someone hijack nyc’s account? What is going on here?
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
FIP assumes a normal strand rate, if I'm not mistaken
And defense doesnt matter particularly in that regard, in the sense that defense has already been accounted for
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by nycredsfan on Dec 12, 2011 5:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
FIP does not do anything involving strand rates
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
What I meant to say was
Outperforming FIP is usually due to abnormally high strand rates, which doesn’t really have to do with defense, because a better defense allow fewer base runners to get on in the first place. The rate at which they are stranded shouldn’t change much.
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by nycredsfan on Dec 12, 2011 5:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That is a fair argument
defense wouldn’t affect strand rate as much as I thought, but it would still have an effect.
But I don’t think we were ever talking about outperforming FIP.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Have you seen our minor league pitching depth?
You should care about those 2 extra years.
And Gio’s first season was 20 starts. The last 2 years he’s thrown over 200 IP each (more than Floyd) that’s a pretty significant sample. His K/9 is well above average, his GB% is too, and the walks are slowly dropping. He’s thrown more IP over the last 3 years than both Cueto and Jurrjens, BTW.
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by nycredsfan on Dec 12, 2011 5:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Personally, I think the A's park could easily account for 15 more outs a season comapred to the Cell
which is the difference in their innings basically.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Votto Window, dude
I really don’t care about anything beyond that.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 12, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
Hmmm,
then why not just blow everything on an Ace then hem/haw with Floyyd?
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Point is,
If Gio and Floyd are going to be roughly comparable over the next 2 years, why worry about the prospect cost if you don’t care about 2014?
Also, wouldn’t it make more sense to get the cheaper $ player, saving money to spend on complementary pieces?
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by nycredsfan on Dec 12, 2011 5:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's probably six one way, half dozen the other
You could save the prospect cost and make supplementary deals, or you could save the dollar cost and sign supplementary FAs.
So yeah, I’m pretty comfortable saying they are a wash. Thanks for this, ’credsy!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 12, 2011 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
Hurray!
we finally agree on something again!
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Good point.
And if I felt Floyd would be much cheaper to acquire than Gonzalez (prospect-wise) I’d agree with you. But I don’t. Kenny Williams be craaaaaazy.
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Of course
He could crazy that shit into an Edwin Jackson/Dan Hudson kinda deal and we would love it.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 12, 2011 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
That's true
I’d LOVE to see a massive, 15 player, 3 team deal go down.
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Kenny Williams has féd up every trade he's touched for the past two or three years now
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Yeah, he just tends to demand ridiculous returns on he rare occasion that he offers to trade someone.
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Well, he makes tons of trades
and he hasn’t won one since…probably since he traded for Floyd from Philadelphia in 2007. I guess Carlos Quentin since that time, but that’s a horrible resume on recent trades.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Both Swisher trades
(where did Gio come from anyway?), the Jackson trade, the Peavy trade, the Griffey trade(?), the Teahan trade, I can’t remember them all
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Also didn't win the Pierre trade
the Vazquez trade, the Allen trade, the Thome trade, the Aardsma trade, or the Neal Cotts trade. Those are the failed deals since he acquired Floyd, and the only other success since then was the Quentin deal.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
I'd be curious how many of those were trading away a player
Almost all the trades I can think of are him acquiring a pitcher, and way overpaying for him.
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Latos?
I assume the Pineda thing was mostly smoke.
Shields/[Tampa Bay Object of Affection]
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
THIS!
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 12, 2011 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
Yes. Unfortunately, never happening.
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by nycredsfan on Dec 12, 2011 6:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
how do you know he's not
one of the two deals Walt’s mulling over?
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
if there's two deals he's mulling
at least one of them isn’t for Floyd!
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Seriously!
We all know Walt read my trade targets piece about Latos. Duh.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 12, 2011 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
Well, I don't.
But there’s been precisely zero buzz about him being traded to anyone this offseason, so color me skeptical.
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Votto window is crazy
trade votto for a top of the rotation guy. let yonder play with bruce & a quality pitching staff and you have a 5 or 6 year window.
I don't disagree with this
but we all know it’s never going to happen.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 12, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sorry, pal
I know how much you wanted it.
Say slugger, how about you hop in the Yukon and we go get you a DQ Blizzard?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 12, 2011 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
you know i'm lactose intolerant
and YOU’RE NOT MY REAL DAD!!!!!!!!!!!!
by 'tHan on Dec 12, 2011 6:49 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Oh boy...
Maybe your mom is out of the bath tub by now…
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 12, 2011 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
Webcam says about 4 more minutes.
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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 12, 2011 6:51 PM EST up reply actions 9 recs
fucking brilliant
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 12, 2011 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
I never trade away someone as good as Joey Votto
Useless its at the trade deadline of his last season…..and an extention is not going to happen.
Joey’s value vs. his salary is almost impossible to beat in any trade.
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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 12, 2011 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
Okay, I'll bite
If Joey wins the MVP the next 2 years, which is entirely fucking possible, he signs a bigger contract than Pujols. Yonder will never come close to touching Votto’s peak, which I believe has not been reached yet.
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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 12, 2011 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but if Joey wins the MVP the next two years, then he Princes after this contract and you get nothing for him
It’s only worth it if you’re winning a WS in that last year, which ain’t happening with the team around him.
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by BK on Dec 12, 2011 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
that's why i said I think deadline trades are okay
If a season is lost trade at the deadline, but if a team can make the playoffs they have a shot at the World Series……see 2011, 2006 WS champs. Good teams are built around winning divisions every year.
I refuse to believe we are uncompetitive in the division.
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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 12, 2011 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, you think Votto can still show significant improvement on 2010?
Gimme some of that kool-aid.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Bill James drinks it, project a 7.4 WAR year
so do alot of other project systems. Good hitters tend to improve until about earlier to mid-thirties.
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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 12, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
bill james doesn't do those projections
by 'tHan on Dec 12, 2011 8:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
well the computer he hired/designed likes him
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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 12, 2011 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
Well, Bill James projections are famous in their extreme optimism
and I’m not really sure about the improving into mid-30s part either. Certain aspects of their hitting might still improve, but not their overall production. Cmon now.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Yep.
Citing Bill James for a player’s projection is like watching Friends to get an idea of what life in NYC is like.
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by nycredsfan on Dec 12, 2011 10:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You sound like a spurned lover
It’s okay that you’re wrong on Jurrjens. It’s not your fault. It’s not your fault. It’s not your….wait a minute, it’s totally your fault. What are you, stupid or something?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
who else do you pair with Votto to get that TOR?
and who do you consider TOR that we might actually get?
I’m with ya, give Alonso a chance at 1B, and if we’re not trading the majority of these kids to improve the team now, play them and trade away the guys blocking them
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
Ricky Romero, Yunel Escobar, and Kyle Drabek.
Donezo.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 12, 2011 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
so 2 arms, and a SS that there's no consensus...
I mean I’m with ya about Romero, and I wanna see more of Drabek, but I shudder to think what we’d have to send to them besides Votto and Mesoraco?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
Cost less than Gonzalez?
Better than Gonzalez?
Both of those statements are suspect. Gonzalez is a super-2 this year, right? I think Cueto’s 4-year deal is a good estimator for Gonzalez’s future earnings.
1st year: $3.4M
2nd year $5.4M,
3rd year: $7.4M,
4th year: $10M
So, in ‘12 & ’13, Gonzalez would be MUCH cheaper and still had 2 more years of control. Plus, he’s a groundball pitcher with a good groundball defense behind him. I’d rather have Gonzalez than Floyd, even if it costs more players.
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I saw somewhere it was estimated that Gonzalez would get 4.2 this year, which would bump all of that up.
Still, your point stands.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
they have the best sources
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
By "cost less" I meant in prospects
Dollar-wise, Floyd will likely cost more over the next two seasons. And I think your arb estimates on Gonzo are low. He could make $30-40 mil over his four arb years.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 12, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
He won't make $40, I don't think.
And I know it’s mostly posturing, but Kenny Williams said he wanted a “Greinke” package for Danks(!). So I wouldn’t be so sure he’ll cost less.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
Beane said he pretty much wants the same for Gio
I agree that the crazy part of getting Floyd is dealing with Kenny Williams. Dude is fuckin’ crazy.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 12, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
But he also just traded Cahill for a post TJ pitcher and a 4th OFer
And I know Gio>>Cahill, but Beane has a knack for underselling his own guys.
FWIW, Beane said he wanted a package similar to what he got for Haren in 07. Which he won’t get.
Also FWIW, as you’ll see tomorrow, I’d be totally fine with giving up a Greinke-esque package for Gio, but not Floyd.
The $ and years of control difference are really important, IMO.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
by nycredsfan on Dec 12, 2011 5:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If Gonzalez pitches like you expect him to
he will cost a lot more than that going to arbitration each year. A lot more.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Initial reports say he was charged for Assault with a Friendly Weapon
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Dec 12, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
when I GIS'ed it it brought me to your blog,
weirdly enough.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Intriguiging.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Dec 12, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
This sucks.
I was afraid something like this would happen after that training academy fraud stuff a couple years ago.
Tom Browning is a deadbeat dad.
Any other nasty falls from grace from the ’90 team?
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Dec 12, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Paul O'Neill was a Yankee.
by the finest muffins on Dec 12, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
I can't believe he didn't refuse the trade and retire instead of going to horrible NYC!
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Dec 12, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
There's no need to senselessly bash 'creds here
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Thanks, but if we're being technical
Paul O’Neill was kind of a winner, too.
by the finest muffins on Dec 12, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
Then you should tell a parent or teacher.
Because that’s not OK.
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 12, 2011 5:39 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
You were suspect #4
on my list of “who was going to joke on the innuendo”
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kcgard2 use to be a teacher!
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Grammar, like yourself?
j/k snuggles – i luvs ya
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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 12, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah!
Where does the abused teacher turn for help??
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
In my experience, alcohol.
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 12, 2011 5:51 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
What's that?
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 12, 2011 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
I ran that through my jutsin translator
I think he means a boat
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by BK on Dec 12, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
can we get that as an add-on for RR?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
tug and rub?
instead of rub and tug?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
Hal Morris was actually an Olympic-class sprinter,
he just played every game with these things:
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Dec 12, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He was smart enough to be a doctor
ergo, he was allowed to self-medicate
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Besides Dibble?
Although to be fair, I’m not sure he really had any grace from which to fall
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
Marge never had any grace to fall from.
Tim Layana and Rick Mahler are dead, FWTW.
Terry Lee sold cars for a while, so he’s a candidate for alcoholism.
Alex Trevino now works for the Astros, so that would be a fall of another kind.
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 12, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
I'M AT WORK YOU PEOPLE SO DON'T RUIN THIS THREAD FOR ME
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Dec 12, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh Jenny Lewis...oh wait, that's not the Wiz
Dammit!
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
My sister and I used to LOVE that movie! I haven't seen it in years.
There was a character named Pumpkin Head, which is great, and then of course, the changeable head witch/queen/whatever (which I’m assuming your link goes to). Most of the Barbies my sister and I had were hand-me-downs from my Mom, and back then you would just get one or two bodies and lots of different heads (the blonde, the brunette, the redhead, etc.) so we would play Return to Oz with our changeable head Barbies.
by the finest muffins on Dec 12, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
Punkin' Head was a nhickname of mine as a child, along with egg head, orange on a toothpick, and white ethiopian
I was a skinny lad with a big head.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
wow, really?
We were all scared to death of it. The wheelers still take the life out of me.
For those that don’t know what I’m talking about, imagine being 5. And then imagine seeing these:
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
I was almost certainly older than 5 when I first saw it.
I think that’s about when I saw the classic Wizard of Oz, and the witch freaked me out.
by the finest muffins on Dec 12, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
I thought it was scary when I was a kid
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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 12, 2011 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
The heads scared the shit out of me when I was 6.
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Dec 12, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
Return to Oz is one of the worst movies ever
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
No way!
Okay, I haven’t seen it since the 90s, so maybe it is, but I have such fond memories of it!
We did a whole thread last year on worst movies, and that one never came up. Ergo…
by the finest muffins on Dec 12, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
No conclusion may be drawn.
Most of us are straight males who might not have been exposed to this “flick.”
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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 12, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
Do children's movies generally get broken down by gender?
I contend that, generally, they don’t. Kids movies are kids movies.
by the finest muffins on Dec 12, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
Return to Oz is even worse when viewed through the prism of kid's movies
because it alternated between being incredibly boring and incredibly terrifying, especially in psychological ways kids are not yet developed to handle!
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
I'm gonna play the "boys don't watch musicals" card here.
And see if I get partial credit.
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 12, 2011 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe.
I don’t remember Return to Oz being a musical, though. I really ought to just track it down and watch it again.
by the finest muffins on Dec 12, 2011 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
I sit corrected.
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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 12, 2011 7:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
only if there's a girl protag
Girls will watch movies/read books with male protags, but boys won’t watch movies/read books with female protags.
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Mrs. Scrabbles read the first two of those books
Well, she got part way through the second one and gave it up. She said it wasn’t very good.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 12, 2011 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
But the first one is supposed to be good?
She didn’t much like the first one either.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 12, 2011 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
Some people can't get over that it's in present tense
I liked them okay. Hey, at least it’s not Twilight
I loved the first one
But to each their own. Halfway through the second one it picks up again. In the third the author tries to greatly expand the scope and go for epic revolution. I found it very lacking, but I didn’t really care at all for the world. Just give me kids fighting to the death.
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Still not a candidate.
by Gray on Dec 12, 2011 9:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
jennifer lawrence is the star in it
She’s from Louisville, and I work with someone that dates her older brother and went to the Oscars with her. The person I work with was super pumped when the Hunger Games trailer came out, a few weeks back and we watched it in her cube.
Small fucking world.
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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 12, 2011 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, it's very impressive
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by Slyde on Dec 12, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
insta-rec'd
And don’t call me Shirley.
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Dec 12, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Today's name the RR mod contest
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I don't know why bearded Tinker Bell freaks me out so much, but s/he does.
More than all the rest combined.
by the finest muffins on Dec 12, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
The first thing I thought of when I saw him was...
Dahmer.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Dec 12, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
he looks like Corey Hart.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Dec 12, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think Van Gogh
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
by ChiDa on Dec 12, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Lets see
Top row left to right:
Slyde, JCH, Charlie Scrabbles, Gray, Brendan
Button Row Left to Right:
TL;DR, Uncleweez, Andromache.
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they are all cute as buttons in that row!
fuckin’duh.
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goddamn right I'm the pretty princess holding a beer
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
Luke Scott has been nontendered
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the ethnics took 'em all.
Let me go throw more bananas at Felix Pie and tell him he’s acting like a monkey.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Dec 12, 2011 6:38 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
DOook er deerrrbs!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 12, 2011 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
they aren't nontendering any of their players
But they say they’re willing to trade them all. Except Weeks.
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He landed on the rebound with Shiloh
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
who will comfort obc/ewok?
I’m up for the task
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
also, how is it that T.O. argued with an assistant coach because he's the worst person ever
but when brady argues with an assistant coach, it’s “just what 2 irish guys do?”
/cowherd’d
I don't think too many people are saying that about Brady
Unless they live in NE. Most of the commentary I’ve seen has been negative towards Brady
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
i haven't heard a single negative thing about brady
of course, all i’ve heard talk about him is cowherd.
i was considering the silence an endorsement of brady
Well if you're only listening to Cowherd and ESPN, I can't really help you
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
i've been at work all day & then watched cameron's gymnastics class
i’ve only seen what was on twitter today. i turned on the tv & that terrible sportsnation show was on
oooh....that stinks
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
but Beadle is hot
so if you mute it and don’t have to listen to Cowherd, you’re doin’ ok
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
she was giving the verbal blowjob to tebow
at least cowherd is reasonable when it comes to that subject
by 'tHan on Dec 12, 2011 8:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
when you put it that way..
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
The Reds
are gonna wait until midnight to announce their nontenders, aren’t they?
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and make jch really happy about Janish
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
or prove that I'm right, and there is no god :-)
I wonder if Janish is hoping he’s tendered, or hoping he gets free agency early. He’s been in the Reds organization for a long time, and has a lot of friends on the team, but it would probably be better for his career if he’s nontendered. He would fit on some teams’ rosters. He doesn’t fit on the Reds, at least not this season.
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you're talking to an Agnostic
therefore, I have no horse in this race, however to make jch happy I’m willing to let anything happen (yeah, that just happened)
Janish is a career LIDR, or utility guy at best for a shitty team
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
sorry, jch
There is no god.
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Don't be sorry about that.
Now you don’t have to judge or kill anyone based on really old books and silly superstitions!
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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 12, 2011 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
I guess he's their utility option?
or the SS insurance policy?
(shaking in the fetal position in the corner)
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
I've got an hour and 46 minutes!
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
the reds hate me
#Reds are tending contracts to all — bray, Bailey, masset, Arredondo, janish, volquez.
Who backs up Cozart next year if they let Janish go?
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Yuni!
I’m pretty sure Janish will start the season in Louisville if the Reds keep him. Unless the market for veteran shortstops is really, really bad.
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It is.
O-Cab, EdRent, and Janish are the class of the availables.
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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 12, 2011 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
teh Fay
thinks the Reds might go after Theriot. Since he can play multiple infield positions, and even corner OFer.
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It's French.
French is not cool.
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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 12, 2011 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
if his elbow isn't recovered enough to let him hit worth a damn, there's a decent chance Janish gets the nod.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 12, 2011 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
his elbow is fine
It’s not like it’s his wrist. If he doesn’t hit, it won’t be because of his elbow.
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we'll see.
Being healthy is one thing; being full-strength is another…especially in cold spring weather.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 12, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
Not in Arizona...it's warm
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
Cincy in early April?
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 12, 2011 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, I was thinking spring training in Arizona
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
I think he'll be plenty healthy enough to participate in full.
What I’m worried about is that it will prevent him from playing “well,” since he will have missed so much time. It’ll get sore, too, and we all know how Dusty is notorious for being slow to bring players back from injuries (especially young players.)
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 12, 2011 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
I think you are being a little paranoid about this
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 12, 2011 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
did you see Janish play SS last year?
that’s enough to frighten the shit out of me.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 12, 2011 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
he played SS fine
one of the best in the league, if you believe those people who do Bill James’ homework for him.
Unfortunately, the hitting.
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he played a fine shortstop
if you don’t like Joey Votto’s shins.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 12, 2011 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
If Janish only had Ed-Rent's range...
…he would have had half the errors.
Anyone buying this?
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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 13, 2011 2:33 AM EST up reply actions
does anyone but teh Fay use errors to measure defensive skill?
That said, I think Janish was a bit of a head case this year. Took his struggles at the plate into the field, as players often do (especially inexperienced ones). He was still a good defensive SS by the numbers, but he did have a lot of errors, for him. Thinking too much, probably.
It’s probably not a coincidence that he had no errors in September, when the Reds were out of the race and he was no longer fighting for a job.
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You can complain about using errors all you want but Janish absolutely booted more than a few routine grounders, which is absolutely unacceptable when you're hitting .215
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I did just say that he had a lot of errors
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But you also diminished that statement with your subject line
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
oh, great
So ChiDa complains about my improper footnotes, and you’re griping that my title doesn’t properly reflect my thesis? I’m starting to miss Gray the Grammar Nazi.
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but his aim is steadily improving!
#oldjokeisold
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Janish had an all-around bad year last year
he’s in reality a better hitter and a better fielder than he showed last year. The hitting will still be well below average, but not atrocious beyond words. If he plays, I just hope the defense goes back to being really good.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
The defense
actually was still pretty good. UZR/150 of 12 at SS for 2011, which is actually better than last year. And sixth best SS in runs saved, according to Bill James.
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even Cozart can't play for some reason
I think the job will go to next year’s version of Renteria.
Theriot? Yuni?
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I'm still terrified it will be Tejada.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 12, 2011 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Let's not be shocked
They’ll need these players to fill out their roster when they make no moves to get anyone decent
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A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 13, 2011 2:35 AM EST up reply actions
a pinky toe joke:
Guy: You remind me of my little toe.
Girl: Why, because I’m cute?
Guy: No, because I’m going to bang you on my coffee table in about 20 minutes.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 12, 2011 8:22 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
When do we find out
how much money we’re paying these guys?
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when they negotiate a contract
if they do not come to terms an arbitrator will award a contract in spring training.
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the new 'nukkah!
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
So how much money does Walt have this off-season for acquisitions
Total budget for SP, LF, and closer. Back-up SS is Janish or Frazier. If Renteria can be a back-up SS then so is Frazier.
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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 12, 2011 9:31 PM EST reply actions
That doesn't include
Janish or yet unknown veteran SS guy.
Or Gio Gonzalez.
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Thanks
So we’re at about 70.8 without Cordero. I didn’t realize we were that high already, I thought we were about 60-65 right now. No wonder you hate Quentin!
If they get Shields I bet payroll goes up to about 80-85 mil. Draft spending and international FA spending was light last year so that’s not completely out of the questions.
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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 12, 2011 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
Brewers
traded McGehee for Jose Veras.
I thought Veras was gonna be a closer some day.
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Ks a ton, but the BB/9 is too damn high
nice sneaky move by the Pirates. They’ve had a few of them this offseason, continuing their quest to frighten the hell out of me.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Dec 12, 2011 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
They honestly scare you?
I’m not sure I can name one guy in their rotation, at least I know I can’t name one who is even a decent bet to be better than league average.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
They did pretty decently last year
and have made moves to get better. It’s the sneakiness that bothers me. The Reds will get swept at some point by the Pirates this year, and there will be much teeth-gnashing
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
trufe.
Charlie Morton did have surgery this offseason, though, so maybe he’ll only kinda dominate us this season.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 13, 2011 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
Morton
Correia, McDonald, Karstens, and the newly-acquired Erik Bedard.
"Red Reporter - An elitist clique full of like-minded douchebags." - BK
Good job!
now who is going to be average or better? Morton maybe. Bedard maybe if he stays healthy.
But they have figured out SS (Barmes), 3B (McGehee), RF (Diaz/Jones/McClouth?), C (Barajas), 1B (Jake Fox/Jones??).
They have an awesome CF, one of the best players in the game even. They have a good closer. Neil Walker is OK. They have no one else above average and a ton of question marks or straight up sucky players. They’re going in the right direction but they are still a LONG way off.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
He hit as bad as Janish last year
and is not known for defense. So while he is still in the plans, there’s no way on earth to go ahead and pick him out as even an average player.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
And I was being sarcastic about having those positions figured out
what they have right now is absolutely a terrible lineup supplemented by prayers for average-ness in the rotation.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
I didn't realize how weird Morton's peripherals were
4 bb/9 and 5.8 k/9 ain’t too hot. He only gave up .3 hr/9 which seems pretty, pretty tough to keep up.
Maholm, Karstens, and McDonald seem a bit more up the right alley, but still stuck in Travis Wood/Homer Bailey territory a bit. I do like Mcdonald, though.
I thought they held on to D-Lee, but I guess not. They really should. They really look solid, but it depends on the pitching. They’re very Reds 2008 right now. Just with the Dread Pirate McCutcheon.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Dec 14, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
Is Maholm still in their rotation?
McDonald probably has the most promise of any of their guys, I should have included him, but then again, we’ve been talking about Homer Bailey’s promise for 5 years.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Whether this move works out or not, this sort of thing really shows why I still like the Brewers chances better than ours
The Brewers are actively trying to improve their roster. If McGehee were a Red, he would have probably kept his job as the starting 3b, based on his 2009/2010 seasons. They simply would have prayed for a bounce back year.
The Brewers got aggressive and upgraded the position. Now, of course, sometimes that sort of aggression bites you (I think they will regret the Marcum trade in the long run), but it also wins you division titles.
And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head blown off
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Dec 13, 2011 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
McGehee was their Janish
The Brewers are certainly more aggressive, but it’s not as if the Reds are penciling in Janish as the starting SS again.
No, I think it's a much fairer analogy to call McGehee their Rolen
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
McGeHee had two really good seasons
Janish had a part of one good season. The Reds were never terribly committed to Janish as a starter. McGehee spent 3 solid seasons as the Brewers 3b.
And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head blown off
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Dec 13, 2011 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
The only things that matter are (1) the lack of a contractual commitment, and (2) both hit unforgivably bad
I know that McGehee had a couple of nice years, but there’s no team with pennant aspirations that would be willing to go back to the till with a 69 OPS+ 3B or a 46 OPS+ SS.
Hong-Chih Kuo non-tendered
We should sign him.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 12, 2011 10:02 PM EST reply actions
I'd be on board with this
Unfortunately, Aaron Laffey got non-tendered too, and I have a weird gut feeling that we’re going to sign him.
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
Need to make up for offering the Indians Sowers back in the day.
Weird. When I typed “kuo” into BBRef, they gave me Hong-Chih and Koufax.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Dec 12, 2011 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
Kuo would be a great fit.
As the 8th-best bullpenner in Cincinnati, he’ll be completely anonymous, which is probably key for him.
Anyone who does notice him will assume he’s delivering Chinese food.
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 13, 2011 2:43 AM EST up reply actions
Denorfia was signed to a one-year deal
Wonder how much he’s getting.
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I still love me some Deno
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
Is Jair Jurrjens a Red yet?
By the way, this thread is exactly what I had hoped for, minus all the baseball circlejerking.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
damn baseball getting in the way of a perfectly RR-esque thread
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
aka "the 'creds portion of the thread."
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 12, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
That guy could fuck a wet dream, I tells ya
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
serious question
do Jurrjens’ injuries concern you at all?
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 13, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
No more than Cueto's
I’ll take a pitcher with a knee surgery under his belt EVERY DAY before I take a pitcher with shoulder/elbow “stiffness” or “inflammation”.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I mean I get what your saying, but.
Eric Milton before he hurt his knee was a guy who could throw in the low to mid 90s, that velocity vanished with his knee injury.
Leg problems can be just as troublesome as arm issues for pitchers, and can also lead to arm issues. They say pitchers generate their velocity in their legs.
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I wonder what difference it makes, as far as front leg or back leg
Also, I was looking up Jurrjens’ knee injury and saw this from September 1st:
Update: Jurrjens will miss his scheduled start Sunday due to a knee injury, Mark Bownman of Mlb.com reports.
Recommendation: Jurrjens’s knee was a problem in a bullpen session Thursday, and according to Bowman, Jurrjens doesn’t trust it until it’s 100%. The Braves have no reason to rush him with an 8.5 game cushion in the NL Wild Card race. Randall Delgado or Julio Teheran will start in Jurrjens’s place.
Ouch.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Dec 13, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Brewers have had more transactions today,
than the Reds have had in 18 months.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Dec 12, 2011 10:23 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions 1 recs
Scrabbleses
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by Yossarian22 on Dec 12, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
Justiss is cerved.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 12, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Jeremy Hermida was nontendered by the Padres
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Mads, you contributions are always hilarious
but I had to delete the Aniston butt pic. Just ownin up to it now so there’s no kerfuffle/brouhaha/shitstorm later. I love butts as much as the next dude, though. That is all.
KISSES
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
it was a glorious one, too
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 13, 2011 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
jch's new desktop background
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 13, 2011 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
...is no longer visible due to "screen clearness issues."
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 13, 2011 2:40 AM EST up reply actions
very nice pic but something looks 'shooped about it
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
yeah, because I was really looking at the pixelation.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 13, 2011 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
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