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Updating the Top 100; Honorable Mention - Jay Bruce

Honorable Mention: Jay Bruce

The process of writing one of these capsules is generally the same. Open up Baseball Reference, go to the player's page, and then stare at it until some idea arrives. One of the easier avenues is to go to the similarity scores section and see if any thoughts pop up.

Run through these steps for Jay Bruce, and the instant reaction is: Reggie Jackson is Bruce's most comparable player through age 24? That's awesome! Then I begin to dig. The reasons for similarity are clear: both players had exactly 100 home runs through their age 24 season, the accumulated runs + RBI totals are very similar, and many of the other counting stats are reasonably close. Jackson was a slam-dunk hall-of-famer, donchaknow. Of course, before I get too excited, I begin to rationalize. Jackson hit the homers in 200 fewer at-bats in the Age of the Pitcher, had 25% more walks, stole nearly three times as many bases. They're not at all similar, actually. And it seems I've just recreated internally the drama that's been played on the field over the last couple years. The glimpses and the promise are glittering, and then at the end of the year I look at the totals and ask if that's it. I feel guilty for doing so, because he's still the 2nd best player on the team, but wasn't he the #1 prospect in baseball? Isn't he a sure thing, soon to eclipse Votto? Am I only disappointed because of my expectations? I begin to imagine that if a terrible, nationally broadcast morning sports radio program cared about Midwestern baseball, they might put together a song parody about Jay Bruce. They might use a Soundgarden song as their template: "I'm looking Reggie Jackson / And feeling Tom Brunansky".

The facts are that Bruce has now put up back-to-back full seasons in the 120 OPS+ neighborhood. That's good baseball, but it's not growth and it's not a superstar, not in right field. The defense, by all quantifiable metrics, took a sizable step backwards, as well.

The story is rarely fully written for any 24 year old, and the age curve isn't an inevitability, at least in the short term. He is still liable to break out, become the #1a instead of #2, be the face of the franchise. Which is kind of the rub. If the team doesn't make good in the upcoming seasons, Bruce will probably shoulder a good chunk of the blame. It'll be unfair, but most expectations generally are.

Bruce carries a career batting line of 256/331/474 (112 OPS+). He moves from #205 to #124 on the all-time list, and makes his first appearance on the list of the franchise's best rightfielders, knocking out Tommy Griffith.

The Top 15 Rightfielders in Reds history

1 Ken Griffey
2 Ival Goodman
3 Mike Mitchell
4 Curt Walker
5 Reggie Sanders
6 Dusty Miller
7 Paul O'Neill
8 Dave Parker
9 Greasy Neale
10 Wally Post
11 Sam Crawford
12 Johnny Wyrostek
13 Jay Bruce*
14 Tommy Harper
15 Dave Collins
*active

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So, is this the right room to bitch about Jay Bruce?

He’s fat.

He strikes out too much.

His fast food commercials are turrible.

And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head blown off

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Dec 12, 2011 10:18 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

but isn't great

it’s a place i don’t object to going, but would never suggest going to

by 'tHan on Dec 12, 2011 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

it's literally the equivalent of the reds of as a whole

Buy RED: My Uncensored Life in Rock by Sammy Hagar, today

by obc2 on Dec 12, 2011 7:01 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions   2 recs

I'm here to comfort you that Rosales is returning to the A's

and that the Reds will only get him back if Walt gets off his dead ass and trades for him

The ends justify the means

by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

after having spent Friday, Saturday, Sunday, and part of today in Philly

Penn Station isn’t a cheesesteak

I had glorious cheesesteaks this weekend, from multiple establishments

man did I eat like a Norse God this weekend

The ends justify the means

by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Where did you go?

And how was Butcher & Singer?

by ken on Dec 13, 2011 8:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Jim's on South, Geno's

Butcher & Singer was beyond amazing

also ate at Dinic’s b/c I was jonesing for their hot roast pork in Reading Terminal Market, Cajun Cafe (alligator sausage, so so good) and Hershel’s (didn’t care for the pastrami, but the brisket wasn’t too shabby and the corned beef was delicious)

I also enjoyed the Hell out of the Village Burger (I think it was called) at Village Whiskey which as I’m sure you know is a Jose Garces joint.

Did dinner @ Ted’s on Broad Friday, had a damn good Bison ribeye

The ends justify the means

by Highlifeman21 on Dec 13, 2011 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

All you can eat, served with gravy

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 14, 2011 9:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Goddam, you must have gained eight pounds

That all sounds delicious. I used to work in the city and would hit those places. I miss it.

by ken on Dec 14, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

thankfully due to all the walking around we did from Friday through Monday..

only gained 2

but we did to a mini bar crawl around the Mutter Museum back to over by Love park, took a beak to get all dolled up for dinner, then put down 2 bottles of wine at dinner combined with 3 mixed drinks pre-dinner, then hit up some nice bar at the Westin until 1:30 AM for another 5 (or so..)

The ends justify the means

by Highlifeman21 on Dec 16, 2011 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Dang...

Seems like we’ve had a lot of good right-fielders if Bruce is #13, but is knocking on the door of Top 100 Reds of all time.

by Nasty N8 on Dec 12, 2011 10:41 AM EST reply actions  

Also,

I’m really going to be angry if Bruce becomes the fans’ Dunn 2.0. I think Bruce is a great ambassador for the Reds, plays hard, and is a + contributor to the team.

I also get the feeling that Bruce would love to be a Red for life. Even if Bruce doesn’t earn a ring during his career with the Reds, it would be great for him to represent an era of the Reds being a perennial winner and put a handful more Division banners in GABP.

by Nasty N8 on Dec 12, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Bruce is a lot more likeable then Dunn was.

Plus, Bruce hit the clinch homerun. Fans will remember that for a long time.

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Dec 12, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Dunn was likable as well

Dunn was friendly, talked to the press, gave good quotes, seemed like a fun guy. He also hit some memorable home runs, I will never forget the walk off grand slam he hit against the Indians in 2006, when the Reds came back from an 8 or 9 run deficit in the final two innings.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 12, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I remember that also, and the three run walk off he hit against the Indians.

The latter was the Lee v. Volquez series. I just always felt that Dunn was a lot more aloof and didn’t have his head in the game. I don’t see that from Bruce.

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Dec 12, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

This.

Although, part of the stupidity of the Dunn hate was that he was really, really good, just imperfect. Stubbs isn’t that good, but Jay could be.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Dec 12, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

Stubbs is never gonna hit 40 bombs a year like Dunn did.

by DerekH91 on Dec 12, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

which is why I think Bruce is an apt comparison

Bruce is a pretty good right fielder, a lot of fans are pissed that he is not great.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 12, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, true.

Maybe they both can be Dunn 2.0. This fanbase loves to hate its own players!

/looks in mirror.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Dec 12, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Is this what you saw?

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 12, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

That's racist!

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Dec 12, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

So is your face

(I was really tempted to go fins something terribly offensive and post it with “no, THIS is racist!”)

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 12, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

like this? (h/t Mads)

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Dec 12, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh boy - I hadn't seen that one

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Dec 12, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow. I'm embarrassed I laughed at that.

And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head blown off

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Dec 12, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

but it's not racist because he's Venezuelan!

/digs hole deeper

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Dec 12, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

you shouldn't be

it’s damn funny

The ends justify the means

by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

probably a good idea...

there is a much more PC one with a slice of cake instead of the KFC

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat

by -ManBearPig on Dec 12, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

But you are right on Stubbs

I do think if he wasn’t a first round pick, or even if he didn’t explode on the scene in 2009, we would be happier with him.

For what it is worth if Stubbs floor in 2011 I will take it, but if he falls anymore he will be an issue.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 12, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I just think it's interesting

Because before Stubbs we had Taveras, CoPat, and a gimpy Griffey.

We probably shouldn’t complain.

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by nycredsfan on Dec 12, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

actually that is part of my problem

i am worried he will turn into Corry Patterson.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 12, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

man..

I feel like I’ve agreed with you an awful lot lately..

The ends justify the means

by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with the floor statement

2011 is the worst Stubbs can do, or else he really does hurt the Reds, even with his D

The ends justify the means

by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

was it Marty that banged the "Dunn's lazy" drum hard?

and then Narron took away Dunn & Junior’s chairs, and the rest as they was history

The ends justify the means

by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Miley actually.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 12, 2011 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

That's just being Miley.

but the next time he hung out he redeemed himself.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Dec 12, 2011 11:59 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

bing. o.

The ends justify the means

by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

A lot of this has to do with Marty.

He has the power to sway fan opinion, and his seemingly relentless harping on Jay Bruce hurts.

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat

by -ManBearPig on Dec 12, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I blame Marty for Reds' performance in the All Star game

#martyshocked

Buy RED: My Uncensored Life in Rock by Sammy Hagar, today

by obc2 on Dec 12, 2011 2:39 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Jay Bruce is Adam Dunn 2.0 isn't he?

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 12, 2011 10:58 AM EST reply actions  

oh shit, sorry Nasty N8 I should read the comments before writing

why doesn’t SBN have a delete button?

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 12, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Age 25 is a critical season for Bruce

(until his age 26 becomes even more critical)

His age 23-24 years aren’t ridiculously off of Votto’s, though Votto is clearly the better hitter. However, age 25 was when Votto became a man. Bruce needs to do the same this year.

Follow on Twitter: @jluckhaupt. Buy The Wire-to-Wire Reds today!

by Slyde on Dec 12, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

/Homer Bailey'd

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Dec 12, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Is this where the news will break about the big Reds trade today?

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 12, 2011 11:55 AM EST reply actions  

jeez, I hope not.

I have a TL;DR post in the pipe about realistic trade packages for tomorrow. If Walt wastes my work I’mma be pissed!

#AllAboutMe

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Dec 12, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

We were too poor for Rebok

I got a pair of Spalding pumps for xmas around ’91.

The the pumps only worked for about a week, but the remained shittily functional for a long, long time.

Fucking rich kids.

/still jealous’d

A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.

by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Dec 12, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

#poorkidfistbump

I had the LA Gear Regulators. They, too, stopped pumping after a week or so. But I could still break dance Motown Philly word to your mother all the same.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 12, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Damn, y'all were some high rollers

I don’t think I had a pair of shoes that cost more than $20 when I was a kid.

/welfare’d

A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.

by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Dec 12, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

and most of my shoes were hand-me-downs from my big brother. So not only were the cheap to begin with, but they were pretty stank by the time I got them.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 12, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

x

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 12, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I know a guy who dresses pretty much exactly like that

and pulls it off pretty well, too.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Dec 12, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll give red reporter 5/2 odds that he rides a bike for a living

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 12, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

biomechanical engineering grad who wants to move to NYC to be a comedy writer

sooooo draw whatever conclusion you want from that. -MBP too.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Dec 12, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh yeah?

A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.

by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Dec 12, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

oooh, this might be the winner.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Dec 12, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

#dang

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 12, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

x

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 12, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

This....

Was my computer wallpaper for a while in the mid to late 90s.

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 12, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

admit it

it’s still in your rotation

The ends justify the means

by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2011 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I do

“The right ear is the wrong ear, the left ear is the right ear, both ears means it’s a girl.”

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by BubbaFan on Dec 12, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Anybody else a baseball video game nerd?

Trying to figure out which game that is.

Baseball Stars?

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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Dec 12, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Pretty sure it's baseball stars, god I loved that game

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 12, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep, just found some screen caps and that's definitely it.

Arguably the best NES baseball game.

Other favorites:
Baseball Simulator 1.000
Roger Clemens MVP baseball
RBI 1 and 2
Bad News Baseball

I never liked the Bases Loaded games.

A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.

by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Dec 12, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Loved Baseball Simulator 1.000...

Really wish they’d come out with a good remake of that. Mario Super Sluggers took some of those ideas.

by badenjr on Dec 12, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Hey 'creds

If you want to post yours today that’s fine. Reposter can wait till tomorrow.

by ken on Dec 12, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks, but I wasn't totally done with it anyway.

It’s scheduled for tomorrow, and given Walt’s glacial pace, that should be just fine.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Dec 12, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

So I'm bored and don't want to start my work,

so I’m flipping through BBRef. Homer’s rate stats are eerily similar to Hiroki Kuroda’s, the only exception is that Homer gave up 9.3 h/9 whereas Kuroda gave up 8.7

Looking where Homer’s numbers are trending, I really have a good feeling about him this year.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Dec 12, 2011 12:16 PM EST reply actions  

2009'd

2010’d
2011’d

You are setting yourself up to get hurt.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 12, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Deja vu all over again....

It seems like every year, we come to the conclusion that Homer will finally put it together this year. I’m afraid that’s never going to happen for a whole season though.

by Nasty N8 on Dec 12, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't care. It's December 12.

If I can’t dream now, I can’t dream ever.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Dec 12, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

All I want for Christmas is a...

#1/#2 starter,
League-average shortstop,
Yonder Alonso to stick at LF,
Rolen to play 100+ games healthy and strong,
Francisco to learn not to strike out,
Votto to sign a discounted long-term deal,
Homer Bailey to pitch 200+ innings as a #3 starter,
Aroldis Chapman to work out as a starting pitcher,
Decent closer, and
A new manager.

Is that really too much to ask?

by Nasty N8 on Dec 12, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I want...

Aroldis to do more than work out as a starting pitcher. I want him to be Randy Johnson without the bad back.

by badenjr on Dec 12, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

or the mullet

on second thought, Aroldis with a mullet would be a pretty awesomely hilarious thing

Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me

by UncleWeez on Dec 12, 2011 6:23 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

If the choice is mullet or no mullet

that’s not really even a choice at all

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Dec 12, 2011 8:39 PM EST up reply actions  

He did throw over 200 innings AAA and MLB combined in 2009

Which I think might have been his only injury free year since he made his MLB debut.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 12, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd feel a lot better about Homer if I had never seen him pitch

His numbers always make it look like he is about to turn the corner, but when you actually see him pitch………….he just strikes me as kind of stupid, and with a fastball that is not nearly as impressive as he thinks it is.

And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head blown off

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Dec 12, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Homer vs. Astros and Pirates: 9-0

Homer vs. everyone else: 14-23

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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Dec 12, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

The thing that worries me the most about Homer is that his stuff has declined

He isn’t 26 and he has seen a noticeable dip on his fastball velocity. I don’t think it is just learning to pitch either, in 2006 and 2007 he was suppose to have one of the best fastballs in baseball, it is just a bit better than pedestrian.

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 12, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, giving up hits will get ya every time :)

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 12, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

They say the first step toward recovery is admitting you have a problem

And Red Reporter is basically group therapy, so here goes. I’ve had mlb.tv for the last couple of years. Turns out you can watch any game from 2011. Who knew? So last night I got hammered and watched the Reds at Dodgers game from June 13. I wanted a game the Reds won and I wanted to listen to Vin Scully. We’re only given a precious few years on this Earth, and I spent about three hours watching a baseball game that was played six months ago, and frankly wasn’t even all that meaningful at the time.
But Joey hit a three run home run, and that was awesome. Reds win 6-4.

by ams78 on Dec 12, 2011 12:18 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

I'm worse than you

I’ve been known to watch spring training games from years ago.

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by BubbaFan on Dec 12, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Until it hits a little kid.

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Dec 12, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

No idea why someone made this, or how you found it

but this might be my favorite thing since crolfer’s game recap.

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 12, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

That was on edsbs

Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun

@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Dec 12, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

today's the non-tender deadline

Is Paul Janish still a Red?

Teh Fay thinks the Reds might grab Theriot if he’s non-tendered. (While the Cards beat writer was talking about grabbing Janish if the Reds non-tender him.)

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by BubbaFan on Dec 12, 2011 12:18 PM EST reply actions  

Theriot for Janish is...quite the trade.

There just aren’t shortstops these days, are there?

Joe Saunders is supposed to be non-tendered, too. Anyone want shitty Mike Leake for $8mil?

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Dec 12, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

If the money was the same, I'd definitely do that deal.

But even after getting non-tendered, I’d bet somebody will offer Theriot a million or two.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Dec 12, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

shortstops are definitely in short supply these days

They are coveting Didi over at Brew Crew Ball.

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by BubbaFan on Dec 12, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Can't the Reds just send Janish to AAA or do they have to non-tender him first?

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Dec 12, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

they can offer him a contract

then send him to AAA. But he’d be paid big league money.

If they non-tender him, he becomes a free agent. He might agree to re-sign with the Reds if he doesn’t get any better offers. They’ve been known to do that before, just to save money.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Dec 12, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Quote from Jocketty
“There are two deals we can do right now, but it would probably take a lot of our top prospects and I’m always a little nervous about doing that. So I’ll spend a little more time analyzing that.”

The plot thickens….

by ams78 on Dec 12, 2011 12:43 PM EST reply actions  

Yup.

If it’s for a Shields type….do it Walt!!!! If it’s for a Mulder type, don’t be an asshole!!!!!

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Dec 12, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd take Fox Mulder

I bet Duchovny’s got a wicked fastball

by DerekH91 on Dec 12, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Just sayin'

Mulder was 27 when he was traded. The prior two years, he’d thrown 412 innings with a 117 ERA+.

Shields is 30. He’s thrown 452 innings but with a 98 ERA+ since 2010. It’s a little better if you go back three years but Mulder still has a big edge.

by ken on Dec 12, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Trade!

Do it now! I just want something to happen.

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Dec 12, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

DO IT

A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.

by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Dec 12, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Push the button, Walt!

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Dec 12, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

DO IT

A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.

by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Dec 12, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

If moving top prospects mAkes him so nervous

why does he continue to draft polished prospects that are obviously blocked?

Grumble, grumble.

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 12, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

FTFY

If moving prospects makes him so nervous, why is he employed as a major league baseball GM?

by ams78 on Dec 12, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Just like the old adage

If your bowels can move, you can move some players

A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.

by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Dec 12, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

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a Pirates fan, Jay Bruce has my respect. He’s already a dangerous hitter and only stands to get better.

Definitely kicking myself for trading him in my dynasty fantasy league.

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