Red Reposter - No closer to answering the closer question
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 8, 2011 12:10 PM EST
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PrintThe Fay takes off his reporter chapeau and dons his GM kippah
He says the breakdown of negotiations with Francisco Cordero could end up being a good thing for the Reds, as the money that was originally offered to him could be offered to Josh Willingham. Ham Bone hit pretty well last year for the A's, posting a .246/.332/.477 slash but playing below-average defense. To be honest, I'm relatively confident that Chris Heisey can be just as valuable next year, as he plays superior defense but doesn't get on base as well. Oh, and he'll only make the league minimum. Pass on Ham Bone.
Next, Fay proposes swapping Yonder Alonso and Edinson Volquez for James Shields. If the Rays would do that deal (they wouldn't), I would walk 1000 miles just to be the man to fall down at Andrew Friedman's door.
As for the closer opening, Fay suggests handing the reigns to rookie Brad Boxberger. This won't happen, and probably shouldn't happen. Boxy has impressed to be sure, but I doubt he's ready. Fay anticipates this and suggests a Cardinals-style closer by committee staffed by the likes of Bill Bray, Logan Ondrusek, Jose Arredondo, and Sam LeCure. I'm okay with this, but I'm pretty sure Dusty Baker isn't. Dusty has shown an affinity over the years for strict bullpen roles. He's definitely no Tony LaRussa, so I doubt he would go for it.
If I were to wrap myself in my own GM Forever Lazy, I would try Edinson Volquez or Homer Bailey in the closer role (or failing that, attempt to sign Jonathan Broxton), trade Yonder and Yasmani Grandal for Shields, and let Chris Heisey play LF.
MLB.com handed out their team awards
Joey Votto is your Reds' "Performer of the Year", which holds every bit the same esteem and gravitas as MVP. Johnny Cueto is your Pitcher of the Year (no surprise), and Chris Heisey was named the team's Breakout Player of the Year.
Perhaps taking his cues from the colorful comments section here on this lil' ol' blog
Mark Sheldon profiles future superstar catcher, MVP, Hall of Famer, and US Senator Devin Mesoraco. The Golem says his first month in the big leagues was an invaluable experience and he's ready to build on it come next spring. "He's a good kid, that's where it starts," Baker said. "You could tell he came from a good upbringing. He's very respectful. He listens. You know he's quiet, but he's paying attention. As a manager or a coach, you're not really crazy about that know-it-all guy. That's not him."
HardballTalk lists their top 50 free agents of the off-season
Personally, I think it's worth taking a look at a few of them, like Jonathan Broxton or David DeJesus. As always, there isn't a ton of money to throw around this winter, so it might be a good idea to place a bet on buy-low candidates like these two.
The Space-Time continuum has been irreparably damaged
In a desperate but successful attempt to generate new and interesting content in early November, FanGraphs ranks the three best bunts of the 2011 season. And as exactly no one expected, the winner is that paragon of bunting excellence, Ryan Hanigan. His game-tying bunt on May 17th against the Cubs registered the highest WPA for a bunt all season. Of course, it's worth mentioning that the bunt wasn't a very good one and only turned out positive for the Reds and Hanigan because Kerry Wood threw it into the 3rd base dugout. Regardless, right on Ryan. Perhaps Drew Stubbs should spend a month or so with him this winter and learn a thing or two, right?
Over at C-ing Red, andromache argues that Brandon Phillips has already earned his ticket into the Reds Hall of Fame
BeePers compares favorably to other heralded Reds second-sackers, and his three Gold Glovers, a Silver Slugger, and five consecutive Opening Day starts make him one of the top two or three 2Bs in the NL over his career. And with at least one more season as a Red, I think he will fairly easily breeze his way into the inner circle. He won't ever get a statue on Crosley Terrace, but he's still one of the best the Reds have ever had at the position.
Doug Gray has some Pitch F/X info from the Arizona Fall League
I'm particularly impressed with Brad Boxberger's change up, which is reportedly not his best pitch. It has good run in on right-handed hitters to go along with impressive sink and a significant velocity difference from the fastball (about 12.5 mph). His fastball has topped out at 95 and he's thrown a few sliders as well. Of course, it's worth mentioning that this is all divined from scant data, as he's only thrown a few innings out in AZ.
Should MLB push the player's union for a franchise tag?
Baseball's collective bargaining talks are going much, much smoother than their NFL and NBA counterparts have gone recently, but Mike Silva thinks MLB should rustle some feathers and push hard for an NFL-style franchise tag system. Here are his bullet points:
1) A team can franchise one player per season
2) This player must have started his major league career with his current organization, and not acquired via a major league trade or as a free agent
3) The franchised player cannot be 30 years of age or older (ex: Albert Pujols)
4) If a player signs a contract extension during the "team control" term of the first six seasons, which buys out two or more free agent seasons, then the player can be franchised once if the player is under age 30. (ex: Jose Reyes)
5) If a player does not sign a contract extension during the team controlled first six seasons, then the player can be franchised up to two times, assuming he is still under age 30. (ex: Prince Fielder).
6) The salary for the first year franchised player would be equal to the highest salary in the game at that position or 150% of his prior seasons salary, whichever is greater
7) If a player is eligible for the franchise tag for a second season, then the players salary is only equal to the current highest salary at that position or 120% of his prior years salary, whichever is greater.
Basically, he's saying that the fact that Prince Fielder is likely to leave the Brewers for a big payday is bad for baseball in general and small-market Brewers' fans in particular. This franchise tag could be wielded to keep Prince in a Brewer uniform even beyond the first six seasons of control the team gets already. Here's my problem with this idea: everything about the NFL sucks and I think baseball should do everything the opposite.
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Arroyo as closer?
What about Bronson as closer? His eclectic stuff could definitely be effective for an inning at a time, and it might help with his health issues and such. Not to mention it would free up a rotation spot for someone who won’t give up 46 HRs.
"Joe is baseball in Cincinnati...We can lose players, managers and coaches, but we can't afford to lose Joe Nuxhall." - Sparky Anderson
Probably not a good idea
Arroyo does few things well anymore, but what he does best is eat innings. Putting him in the ’pen would negate that.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 8, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Very bad idea.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Nov 8, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
I thought this was a joke at first
I read “eclectic” as “electric” HA
also, he doesn’t have health issues, he’s been one of the most durable starters in the game the last few years!
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
The franchise tag would be a bad idea in baseball.
Players are already subjected to team control for their first 6 major league seasons. That’s plenty of time.
It would be nice to extend it for another couple of seasons for the superstars that are going to get paid anyways
I kinda like Silva’s ideas. Another thought is to use the revenue sharing pool towards retaining a star rather than letting him walk. As in, the Reds and Votto agree to a 5 year/$110M extension, and the Reds get some percentage from the revenue sharing pool. The biggest problem with revenue sharing is the lack of control over whether it gets back to the players or player development. Something like this could help ensure it’s used properly.
by ken on Nov 8, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I like your second idea much better
I think the franchise tag is too much to the detriment of the player. If the aim is to try to get small-market teams to keep their stars, I think a more equitable revenue-sharing system, where that revenue is earmarked specifically for a franchise player, would do the trick much more effectively.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 8, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
Another possible option would involve introducing max salaries.
That might cause trouble, but they could imitate the NBA. I know the majority of people here hate the NBA, but are you familiar with the Larry Bird Exception? Essentially, a player with three or more years of team service can not only go over the cap to sign a player (which obviously wouldn’t help in baseball because I don’t think they’ll be introducing the cap anytime soon,) but can also get an extra year on their contract and can have a salary significantly higher than what the max would be if they signed with another team.
I know that introducing max salaries would be something a lot of people don’t like and it might not work at all, but I’m just throwing ideas out there.
I don't think that idea works well, even in the NBA
Most teams get around it with sign-and-trade moves.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 8, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
That's very true...
And the team that had the player before usually basically gets draft pick compensation and an expiring contract or two (usually largely useless players) through the trade. Baseball already has draft pick compensation for premier players with the type A and B system, so it really isn’t much different.
The union would NEVER allow maximum salaries in any form
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I haven't paid a whole lot of attention to the lockout, but I don't think max salaries are the sticking point
A union’s interest is maximizing the welfare of its members, not just those at the top. It’s possible that baseball’s union could go along with a max salary if there was a guarantee that teams spent a set amount of their revenues on player salaries. That’s been the case in the NBA. Under their old agreement, the players got 57% of “basketball related income” (and what counts as that bri is a whole other can of worms). I believe the owners want a 50/50 split of bri or maybe even lower.
teh Fay
has the Reds press release on Redsfest. Tickets go on sale Wednesday.
More than 50 current and former Reds players and coaches are expected to attend including Brandon Phillips, Joey Votto, Bronson Arroyo, Johnny Cueto, Yonder Alonso, Dusty Baker and many more.
But if you want a big name autograph, you have to either bid for it, or win a lottery.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
This isn't completely true
You can also get some autographs by being one of the first 225 people in line. There are several different options and all of them are better than the ridiculous lines they had last season or paying per player like the Cardinals do (Pujols was $175!).
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Yes but the Pujols money went to a good cause:
“The St. Louis Cardinals Fund for Retaining Albert Pujols.” If you pay $25 million this year they let you read TLR’s playbook.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Nov 8, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Psh, everyone already knows TLR's playbook. It goes like this;
Bat pitcher eighth.
For several games, do something ridiculously off-the-wall that no other manager would do. It makes you look unorthodox and smart.
If all else goes wrong, blame the phones.
by sexsalad on Nov 8, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Step 4: win the World Series
(Sad Trombone Sound)
by Cuetotally Amazing on Nov 8, 2011 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
Don't forgot the appendix.
It’s chock full of excuses for any situation.
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
one advantage
to being a fan of the Bubba Crosbys and Paul Janishes of the world: lines are shorter.
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Yes, I guess wanting something that no one else wants is good.
I never have to wait in line for my delicious sardine and antifreeze smoothies.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Nov 8, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
Bastard!
If I was a hipster I would pour my smoothie into an empty PBR can and try to look cool while waiting to jump into a conversation about whatever shitty animal-named band is popular this week.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Nov 8, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
"Yes, I guess wanting something that no one else wants is good"
I repeat, fuckin’ hipster.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
I guess it's pointless to fight it...
I’m a musician with a big beard and tattoos who drinks tons of PBR ($1.50 at my favorite hip bar) and smokes American Spirits and does drugs and hates indie rock and buys clothes at a thrift store. Fine. I’m a hipster.
But at least I know I was cool before any of that stuff was cool. Except drugs. Drugs have always been cool.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Nov 8, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Charlie I like most of your suggestions,
but I’m concerned that if the Reds trade Alonso and don’t sign a LF/big bat replacement, the offense will suffer too much. Though pitching was the larger problem last year, there were plenty of instances when the offense didn’t support Votto. Maybe Heisey would be enough if he had the job for a full season, I don’t know. Or maybe Bruce will be more consistent, or maybe Mesoraco will be awesome. I hate maybes!
Also, bye Joe Paterno. I’m sad it ended this way. He should have done more and dismissal is the right way to go. But when I read about the Brown-educated, tie-wearing, still-coaching-in-his-80s mainstay in the Times, it made me sad.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Nov 8, 2011 12:40 PM EST reply actions
I feel no sympathy to him
It’s not like all of this happened 2 weeks ago. He’s had over a decade to clean this up. I’d always respected him, but he deserves to go out looking like a fool.
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by Slyde on Nov 8, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
I agree.
My sadness is for the loss of one of the last (apparently superficial) ties to old-school college football, not sympathy for what he is going through—which is indeed well deserved. But I guess it turns out he was pretty new school after all, if he was more concerned about The Program than doing the right thing.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Nov 8, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Lest we forget
the alleged bugger has not been convicted of anything yet.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 8, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
This.
"Call me old fashioned, but I think fire is magic, and it scares me a lot."
by Lucky Pierre on Nov 9, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
holy cow
He’s being ousted?
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I do....
The action that JoePa heard about was 3 years after Sandusky left the team. He told the administration, and tried to keep him out of the showers. What else was he supposed to do? He didn’t see anything. The graduate assistant should have gone to the cops.
I agree with this...
Imagine that a subordinate co-worker comes to you and states that he saw a crime committed by a former employee on company property. What do you do? You report the matter to company authorities. What else can you do? You haven’t witnessed anything. You could call the cops…
Police: “911, what’s your emergency?”
JoePa: “A co-worker just saw a crime committed.”
Police: “I’m sorry? What did you see?”
JoePa: “Nothing.”
Police: “You need to investigate this yourself and get back to us!”
by badenjr on Nov 9, 2011 12:13 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
My two cents:
It’s for the courts to determine innocence and guilt at a legal level, and anything else is just reckoning.
Spanier (who went to my high school – yeay!/?), Paterno, and all other high-level folks should’ve come out with a united statement of, “We have nothing but sorrow for the victims and regret we were unable to reach out to them sooner. We are cooperating fully with police investigations and will do as much as we can to help make the victims’ and the victims’ families at least somewhat more whole.”
It was just horrible, horrible, PR. The sheer horrificness of it shows that there was no conspiracy; if there was, they would’ve had a much better list of responses then “Deer in Headlights” and “stammering half apologies.”
This whole thing is just awful.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Try this scenario instead:
You are an extremely high-level executive at a large company, and one of your employees comes to your office to tell you that he saw a consultant abusing a child in the restroom. Do you tell your boss? Or the police? If you tell your boss first in order to get advice, do you sit on it when nothing has been done two weeks later? Or do you call the police (there are such things as non-emergency numbers) to get their advice about reporting the crime?
Now try the same story, except your employee saw a murder being committed. Then do you tell your boss, or do you call the police?
There are of course many other options. Paterno could have taken the assistant with him to the AD, to protect him so that he felt comfortable being completely honest. Or Paterno could have gone to the police with him for the same reason. The second person to know seems to have sat on his hands; are you really okay with that? I’m not very convinced by “what else was he supposed to do?” I don’t understand how he felt comfortable having Sandusky around for NINE more years. Human nature is complicated stuff, but he did the wrong thing here.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Nov 9, 2011 2:31 AM EST up reply actions
agree
At the very least, I’d expect him to follow up.
Penn State’s reaction was completely inadequate. Their response was to bar Sandusky from bringing children to the locker room any more. WTF? Feel free to rape little kids, just don’t do it on campus? And it wasn’t even enforced.
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the cops are not gonna tell you to investigate it yourself
Good grief. That’s their job.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
OR
JoePa: Why hello, police officers that I am not calling on 911 because that would obviously be the wrong thing to do. This is Pennsylvania sports hero Joe Paterno. My grad assistant told me he witnessed a young child being sexually abused in the locker rooms.
Police: That is horrifying. Of course we will investigate right away. Please give us the name and phone number of the assistant.
JoePa: Ok.
Is there a mod so powerful he can ban himself?
That's one thing that kills me.
People keep saying Paterno talked to his “superiors.” Paterno didn’t have superiors. Yes, there was an AD and a VP and a university president, but let’s be honest with ourselves. Paterno is a de facto leader of that school and its best-known public face. As you say, I think the issue would have been taken very seriously had he talked with police.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Nov 9, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Precisely
I’m assuming that what happened was JoePa said to himself, “Gee whiz, I better talk to my boss about this.” So he talked to the AD and the AD said to himself, “Gee whiz, that’s terrible. I suppose I should wait and see what The Boss is going to do about this.” So nothing was ever done because both men felt the other was ultimately in charge.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 9, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Or, in the worst case scenario, he said,
“Jerry did that? If he goes to jail for this, his life will be ruined, he will be killed. Maybe we can deal with this in house. Once the police get involved, it’s over for him. And for our program. If we can get him to not do anything like this again, hopefully it will just go away.” And if he said that, I assure you that he thought about this every day for 9 years, and wondered if the other shoe would ever drop.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Nov 9, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Hell, look at his retirement statement
“At this moment the Board of Trustees should not spend a single minute discussing my status.”
He obviously believes that he’s the one in charge there, that even in the face of this incredible scandal, he should be allowed to call the shots. Even if he’s not the one with final say, he clearly thinks that he has enough power to be the one. He could have fixed this problem a long time ago (even he admits that). But being conciliatory after word gets out is cowardly. I feel no sympathy for his mistake.
By the way, Louis CK had the best perspective on this (the line is at 4:45 in the video). Anybody whose reactions to these events isn’t to be totally sickened has their priorities way out of whack.
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Weird, because I saw a Louie episode not long ago where he has this joke about going easy on pedophiles
in order to get them to admit it. There was a line about dropping off a kid at soccer practice and then making a throwaway comment to the parents about what had transpired. Wish I could remember which episode.
I don't remember which episode it was in particular,
but I remember the bit. It’s definitely in Season 1. The throwaway line was, “Is your kid allergic to nuts? Because he just ate some almond butter out of my ass.”
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
I like to thing that, if it wasn't for bureaucracy, Paterno would've handled this better.
I have nothing to support my convictions other than fondness for the man, but I dunno, it helps me feel better in this situation. Maybe, if things would’ve been different, Paterno would’ve made a stand. I have nothing to back me up on this, but I personally don’t feel like shitting all over everybody involved. Curley, Spanier, and Sandusky are enough for me.
I just…I don’t know. This whole thing feels like Pennsylvania’s own little Arab Spring. While reading about this last night I got somehow into reading about Jerramy Stevens and then got even more depressed.
When Paterno spoke to students last night at his house it seemed to be the only spark of humanity in the entire Goddamned situation.
Is Paterno culpable? Absolutely, I don’t think there’s any denying that. But he’s also a big part of my growing up. I remember when Michael Jackson died, there was a lot more empathy, at least on RR, than anybody really expected. I guess I feel somewhat similar now.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Wanna be more depressed? Of course you do!
This also happened in PA, involving kids.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I don't hate the man
Far from it. But I also don’t feel sorry for him to be ending this way.
FWIW, peoople worry that his legacy will be tarnished. Sure it will, but one poor decision will not eliminate everything about the guy. He’s not the one that committed the crime, that’s for sure. He doesn’t deserve to be vilified in that sense. However, we’re all judged on our successes and our failures, and being a legend does not excuse him from his failure to use his stature to help make this situation better for the kids that were abused.
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Let's not forget the absolute outpouring of praise when Steve Jobs died.
He was a pretty complex guy and had blood on his hands too. Apple, like many big American companies, is built on some pretty dubious labor practices and his ability to cut people down was legendary. But those facts were obscured pretty quickly, and largely outweighed by all the good he did. Joe Paterno will get the same treatment—in these few days is the reckoning, and everything is justifiably high-pitched. But he will not be convicted of a crime; his was a sin of omission, and people will eventually see him in all his complexity. That seems to be Posnanski’s goal in writing the book.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Nov 9, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
Lordy, I forgot about the book...
that will be something very different from what it was supposed to be.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Good Quote
“…and I think the kids who are the victims, or whatever they wanna say, I think we all ought to say a prayer for them.”
- Joe Paterno, when asked to say something that clearly demonstrates how profoundly he misunderstands the awful situation he finds himself in at Penn State.
"Call me old fashioned, but I think fire is magic, and it scares me a lot."
flag'd
he allowed sandusky to stay on campus as late as last week. after knowing about what sandusky was doing, paterno made the stateme that “Sandusky is what Penn State is all about”
the graduate assistant & paterno should have both made sure the story went to the police.
they knew what sandusky was doing & they allowed it to continue. any kid that was abused by sandusky after paterno knew of it is the fault of joe paterno. no sympathy for him. he chose to stop damage to the reputation of this program rather than stop kids from being abused. he’s got to go.
by 'tHan on Nov 9, 2011 8:38 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
agreed.
I can’t buy the arguement that “well, he told his boss and that’s all he should have to do”. I don’t want to get into a morality arguement, but how can one know of something so egregious and then not follow up after his boss did nothing?
Calmer than you are.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Nov 9, 2011 8:42 AM EST up reply actions
This is not just bravado.
If I were the assistant who witnessed, I would’ve brutally beaten Sandusky in that shower and removed the child from harm. Plain and simple. Then, I would’ve worried about who to report it to.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Nov 9, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I have thought about this
It’s very likely that Sandusky would break me in half, but I don’t see how you can just let that happen without trying to stop it right away. Throw a chair at Sandusky. Do something.
And going to anyone but the police in that situation is the wrong move.
Yes.
I have two young sons which intensifies my rage on matters like this. He would not have walked out of that shower under his own power. I promise. But, then again, I have some training. Maybe the witness feared for his personal safety. I would not have. That fucker would hurt that child no more.
The rest of the talk of blame is happenstance to me. He should have been stopped right there.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Nov 9, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
This is a truth that can not be fully understood.
I can understand feeling that my responsibility is to bring an accusation I heard but did not witness to my superior.
I can not understand witnessing what has been described and not getting involved. Screaming for help would be a start.
I feel that i would made personally certain that the man did not leave the crime scene until an officer of the law had arrived. at the very least.
by Eastwindquinn on Nov 9, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
It's funny, because my visceral reaction was identical when I first read about it.
I thought of grabbing something and bashing him. But you at least call 911, right? I mean, that’s what most people do when they see a mugging, so wouldn’t it seem pretty obvious that a rape would merit at least the same treatment?
by Cuetotally Amazing on Nov 9, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
I dunno
I think we’d all like to think we’d be Men of Action in such a situation, but remember that this was a lowly grad assistant and that Sandusky was one of the most powerful men on campus.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 9, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
But that's why calling 911 is so easy.
You don’t have to identify the perp. You say “I was just in the locker room and I think someone is being attacked. There is screaming and a shower is running.” Once you wait a couple days and talk to your boss instead, the stakes are raised.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Nov 9, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Right.
I hate violence, and I’m not at all a fighter, and I’m skinny, and I’m not strong.
So, I can’t say for sure what I would’ve done, but it seems that at least making some noise or causing a disturbance would’ve been enough to make the abuse stop in that instance.
And then, of course, a phone call to the police is absolutely a given.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
I think a lot of it is just the unfamiliarity of the situation
It’s just not something most of us ever have to deal with. And the cognitive dissonance of seeing a pillar of the community doing something that far beyond the pale was probably paralyzing.
My first thought was “How could he just leave that kid there to be assaulted?” McQueary is probably a former football player himself. He could probably take on an old guy like Sandusky. Sandusky was naked, so you know he’s not packing heat.
But it’s easy for me to say, sitting here in front of my computer with time to think about it. In the heat of the moment, who knows what I’d really do. McQueary is probably kicking himself for not intervening or calling the police.
And they told him that the head of Second Mile had been informed. I wonder if that’s true. Were they just saying that, to mollify him? Or was Second Mile complicit? Without Sandusky, they’d have no funding.
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I can tell you without hesitation the first thing I would have done if I had seen it
I would have said very loudly, “WHAT THE FUCK?!?!?!”. Not walked away.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
We're both parents.
There is no hesitation. Even with other people’s children,
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
McQueary at the time
was a kid, not a parent. As evidenced by what he did afterwards. He called his dad and asked him what to do.
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He was also part of the PSU inner circle
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
Don't. Give. A. Fuck.
Wrong is wrong.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Nov 10, 2011 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
No. Sorry.
I would have beaten him. I have no doubt of that. But, then again, I am a person who is not averse to violence in the first place.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
In 2002, Sandusky was 58 years old
As a 20-something graduate assistant, I take my chances there.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
yeah, whats the worst that could happen?
You take a beating and the boy gets away?
by Eastwindquinn on Nov 9, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Like the DA that disappeared?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
That's a whole other interesting story in and of itself.
The wikipedia does a good job.
His older brother disappeared and was found dead in 1996. Befor Ray Gricar went missing, he searched for “how to wreck a hard drive” online, and his laptop was found without its hard drive.
I really hope that none of that story is related. If I had read that article late at night, I’d be sufficiently creeped out.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
I remember that story
It’s been covered by some of those true crime shows. There was some renewed interest recently, because of that guy arrested in the southwest who refused to give police his name.
I gotta think he disappeared of his own volition. What with the computer hard drive stuff and all. He reportedly asked several people how to erase a hard drive in the months before he disappeared, and even bought software that was supposed to do the job.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
So, wouldn't a hammer do the trick?
I gotta think this guy is in Argentina somewhere, for some reason.
How random is it that a fisherman finds the laptop, and then later someone else finds the hard drive? Both times people thought to turn them in. If I found that kind of thing, I’d just ignore it after smdh about #litterbugs.
Never say "TRADE VOTTO"
I'm sure it was all over the news at the time
and anyone who frequented that river probably had a clue that there was something going on.
As for the hammer, apparently the people who put together the computer from after the Challenger expllosion coudn’t do it with this one. He really did it up like a motherfucker.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
not sure if he's in Argentina
or if he committed suicide, but I’m inclined to think whatever happened was his own doing.
A hammer may or may not have done the trick, but the laptop was the property of the county. He was retiring soon, and would have to turn it in. Obviously, turning it in after taking a hammer to it wouldn’t look good.
You really have to wonder what was on that laptop that he was so worried about.
They found his car in the parking lot of an antique store he went to regularly. So he was familiar with the area, and it’s not unusual that he was there. But…there were cigarette ashes in the passenger side ashtray, and the smell of smoke was strong when the cops opened the car door. Gricar did not allow anyone to smoke his car. So that seems kind of weird.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Bulk erasers can still be found pretty easily
Or you know, he could complain that it wasn’t working properly after paying someone to dick it up and when it was reloaded, presto. All incriminating data is gone. Well, in theory.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
as a DA
He was probably aware that erased data isn’t necessarily gone for good.
But jeez, what could have been on that hard drive? He was wealthy, unmarried man who was retiring. A little downloaded porn wouldn’t be worth leaving town over. They’ve been over his bank accounts and such, and not found anything out of order.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Yeah, that's the weird/scary part indeed
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
That story made it to the Times today.
I have to admit, when I saw the initial headline about all this on Saturday I just thought it was something terrible involving a relatively marginal ex-coach at Penn State (which shows you how much better it would have been if they had just been up front with all this a decade ago). But it’s getting bigger and bigger, potentially weirder and weirder.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Nov 10, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
it was his work computer
my guess is that there was something about a case on it. Whether it was this case or something else, well, who knows?
I’m currently working in a legal clinic where we’re not allowed to bring in thumb drives or use non-school e-mail. Things are simply not allowed to go from our private files to the public sphere. And this is a freaking environmental clinic where everything’s in the newspapers anyways.
For a DA? There was probably a lot of stuff on there on Very Important Folks that he did not want getting leaked. I doubt it was his own skeletons, but rather someone elses.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Nov 10, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
Sure, but
is that really enough to make him destroy his computer, and either kill himself or move overseas?
He left behind everything – his expensive car, all his wealth, etc.
And if it was work-related, surely he could trust the IT department to take care of the hard drive for him. It must be regular problem, since the DA is elected and there must frequent turnover.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Yeah, my environmental law clinic didn't have that policy.
Yours is probably a mafia front.
Is there a mod so powerful he can ban himself?
I probably should pay more attention to what's in the files
specifically the /Desaparecidos folder.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Yeah, looking at this more, it's gotten weirder.
I still am perplexed, why dump the property in the water? Burn the f-ing thing in a back yard fire. Disassemble it piece by piece, throwing each piece in a different trash can around the city after they were all ripped up. Crush it in a pulverizer. Rent a pavement smoother.
All of which makes me think, it wasn’t him who threw the evidence in the water where he was probably meant to look like he committed suicide and the body disappeared in the river. Unless the river isn’t all that deep or whatever.
Never say "TRADE VOTTO"
another odd thing
is that his brother committed suicide in a very similar way. They found his car parked near the Great Miami River. Later, they found his body in the river. It was ruled a suicide.
Was he intentionally copying his older brother, or trying to make it look like he was copying him?
Water might have seemed like the easiest way to destroy the hard drive to him. He Googled it, and it must have come up as one way to do it. If he burned it in the back yard, the pieces would be there if there was an investigation. If he threw pieces in trash cans around the city, there was a chance that someone would find the hard drive. And renting heavy equipment leaves a trail (as that guy who rented a wood chipper to deal with the body of his wife found out).
I just can’t imagine what would be on the hard drive that was so concerning.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I just think, if the laptop is important, why add it to your own crime scene?
It just makes you look bad, like you were involved in something you couldn’t reckon. I guess that’s perfect if you want to disappear.
- no sign of foul play
- last call at 11.30 am that day
- cigarette smoke in car of non smoker
- what seems like a bit of a walk to the bridge
- no body
- laptop found by fisherman (so random)
- hard drive found by police
Had he been kidnapped by a smoking person that told him to call his girlfriend and say he was okay? Doesn’t sound right.
He did tell his girlfriend he’d be taking a half day that day, but then took the whole day off. That tells me he could have anticipated something that day, perhaps of his own design. I don’t know.
Never say "TRADE VOTTO"
Well the grad assistant was a former PSU QB
I’m pretty sure an old perv wouldn’t have been a challenge, especially lathered up and naked.
Slippery bastard, get back here and take your whoopin’!
Calmer than you are.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Nov 9, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah
It seems like there was just this culture of protect Penn State over the kids from everyone involved. Joe Paterno’s retiring AFTER this season? If he felt as much shame and remorse as he should, and says he does, he should cut all ties with the university now, and do anything and everything he can to make things right. Any other people he suspects could have been involved in either covering it up or in being victimized – he needs to speak up, and start doing his part to make things better. The entire situation is just so awful, there’s no way to make it better – but the guilty parties can be punished, and the victims can get some form of justice (peace of mind, possibly financial restitution?)
"Call me old fashioned, but I think fire is magic, and it scares me a lot."
by Lucky Pierre on Nov 9, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
The student riot last night is really disappointing
Because yeah, the important thing is your 84 year-old football coach gets to finish when he’s good and ready.
Why not? It's the same courtesy McQueary showed to Sandusky.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Nov 10, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
5.
not because I think its funny, but because I like making you angry.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
6
b/c it was funny
b/c as much as I know Sandusky is a piece of shit, you just need to laugh as some of the atrocities in life, or else they’ll just tie you in knots
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 10, 2011 10:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
on EDSBS they have a pretty strict "no joke about Sandusky" rule
which I think works for that site. As a college football site that’s just barely sport-specific, they get a whole lot of rabble.
Us? Yeah, we’re SBNation’s /b. I don’t think anything is beneath us.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Nov 11, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure you've ever made me angry
And this instance certainly doesn’t qualify. But if you think this is funny, you have no soul. :-)
It feels so nice to be back to normal
I don't know if it's too soon
but it’s certainly in horrible, horrible test.
So yeah, 5 recs seems about right.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 10, 2011 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
I've heard this tut-tutting over the rioting a lot this past few days, and from the weirdest sources, too.
I haven’t been paying the best attention, I admit. And you may know more than me because it’s probably inundating the Pennsylvania media these days.
But I don’t know how many students were rioting because they wanted Paterno to stay versus were just real upset about how powerless they were in the whole situation. Basically every single adult in the room that was supposed to look out for their best interests decided not to. The same people who made the decisions to hide evidence and duck behind each other are now making the decisions on the fallout. The students have had no voice in anything, and they’re probably really pissed off about it. It’s easy to find assholes to interview, but I think a lot of people out there were just young and felt like they were being treated awful.
Paterno is the only one who’s actually faced the media, admitted he was wrong, and told people to focus on the abuse victims. Spanier’s hid and Curley’s vanished. There’s a lot of behind the scenes stuff going on, to be sure: Paterno’s statements have been pretty cutting against the BoT. Did you hear how he was fired? A message told Paterno to call a number, and that number played a recorded message saying he was fired. Paterno’s been the only human face of Penn State.
Students have a right to be upset. Paterno’s the nexus of their rage, to be sure, but I think a lot of it is just widespread at the university as a whole, and I think that the second part there is justified.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Or they're 18-22 year old kids, mad at the world, possibly drunk, and just wanted to destroy shit
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Yeah, i saw someone on twitter say
95% were there just because they wanted to see what was going on/be a part of it/pick up chicks/etc.
I don’t think that many really are that pissed that he’s leaving now.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
It's the movement, baby!
Wouldn’t you hate to have to tell your kids you missed it?
by Cuetotally Amazing on Nov 10, 2011 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
also: holy shit Berkeley.
I know, it’s Berkeley. But still.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Nov 10, 2011 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
true story
I interviewed an intern candidate for my company today who goes to PSU with a PSU alum today.
When we got to the “let’s get to know more about you” part of the interview, the kid said that he “particpated” in the riot yesterday
Hello Red Flag….
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 10, 2011 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit
my company is crawling with PSU Alums….
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 12, 2011 1:21 AM EST up reply actions
this week as been fun to fuck with them, to say the least
I wish I had all my PSU pics and animated gifs on this laptop, b/c they are just outstanding
a lot of pedobear stuff, a lot of JoePa in an orange jump suit, McQuery’s business card as the admin of a porn voyeur site, etc….
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 12, 2011 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
I hope you and JCH are right.
And I may have been swayed by the interviews I read with students who were genuinely upset about Paterno’s dismissal. Of course the student body as a whole shouldn’t be stereotyped, as evidenced by those who are organizing a “blue out” to raise money for a local child abuse prevention charity.
I didn’t hear how Paterno got the boot. That’s sad and balls-less.
the easiest argument about this not being just about Paterno
is that if any school is the type to have rioted when they lost their coach, it would’ve been Ohio State last spring, right?
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Nov 11, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
ohio state is in a whole different situation
their entire fanbase knew they were going to be able to replace tressel with a better coach.
urban meyer will be there next year & #tOSU will be in better shape. no need to riot over that.
I wish I could spell argument too.
Calmer than you are.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Nov 9, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
if Yonder and/or Stubbs is traded in a deal for a pitcher
I’d love for the Reds to sign DeJesus as the LH 3/4 OF. He got off to a terrible start last season, his first in the cavernous Oakland park, and was coming off a major thumb/wrist injury sustained mid season in 2010. His BABIP was some 40 points below his career average, too, and that takes into account his great August (when he was finally a full year removed from the injury).
He can play all 3 OF positions and shouldn’t be terribly expensive after last year, and he could leadoff or bat 5/6/7.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 8, 2011 12:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
David DeJesus to the Reds is becoming an RR off-season staple
Follow on Twitter: @jluckhaupt. Buy The Wire-to-Wire Reds today!
by Slyde on Nov 8, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
he's a closer?
Is he cheaper than Cordero?
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
He's a goalie.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Nov 8, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
Lacrosse.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Nov 8, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
Don't fuck with DeJesus
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
by -ManBearPig on Nov 8, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
No, seriously... we shouldn't fuck with DeJesus.
He was terrible last year (albeit in a terrible hitters’ park) and missed half the year last year.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Nov 8, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
he did have a solid August
y’know, the same issues Jay Bruce and Yonder had (wrist injuries sapping power) affected DeJesus, too.
Look at his numbers a full year after the injury…Aug/Sept.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 8, 2011 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
No recs?
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
I've wanted him mid-season, too!
But yes, this is at least the third year in a row.
AKA the Reds have had Jonny freaking Gomes as their “starting” LF each of the last 3 offseasons!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 8, 2011 1:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yep, I've been on the DeJesus bandwagon for the past offseasons
but I gotta say I’m not really feeling him as much of an upgrade anymore. If we could sign him for $2-3 million, yeah why not, but I think Heisey can give basically the same thing for less.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
DeJesus is my Homeboy?
DeJesus surfs without a board?
DeJesus Christ Superstar?
The DeJesus and Mary Chain?
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
Heisey bats RH
DeJesus bats LH.
What other LH OF do we have in the system?
I think DeJesus is miles better than Fred Lewis, and could probably be had for that 2-3 million you speak of.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 8, 2011 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
SlydeMarkEllisLoveChild
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Nov 8, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But do you hate Maeby?
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
by ChiDa on Nov 8, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Maeby?
Definitely.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Nov 8, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
Takes one to know one?
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Nov 8, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
I just had to look up FTW
And I googled “Maeby IBS” and one of the first results was:
“Slight feacal leakage… maybe IBS? Looking for answers”
MULTIFAIL
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Nov 8, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
anyone here played in the RedFest poker tournament?
i’m thinking about doing it and wouldn’t mind hearing some first-hand accounts of how it went and such.
Why not Boxy for closer?
Recent rookie closers who had tremendous success:
Feliz – 77 IP at AAA before call-up at age 21 – none of his minor league stats were as impressive as Boxy this year
Kimbrel – 55 innings at AAA before call up at age 22
Papelbon – 27 IP at AAA before call up at age 24
Boxy – 27 IP at AAA – statistically compares favorably to Papelbon except much higer K rate (11.7 to 8.8)
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Nov 8, 2011 2:20 PM EST reply actions
Yeah, I wouldn't be opposed to it
It shouldn’t be our first choice (I still like Masset for the job) but if Boxy has a good spring, then he should get some consideration.
Masset gets the yips.
Can’t trust him in high leverage situations.
I don’t like any of our current ’pen guys for closer.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Nov 8, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, Masset is infuriating
He can look like a world-beater one week, and look like me the next week.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I still think 'Dondo could be a cheap in house option for closer
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
never thought I'd say this
But I think you’re right. (Er…that’s because of my previous doubts about Arredondo, not because I have any disrespect for your opinions.)
He was recovering from TJ this year. He should have better control next year. The Halos dumped him more for his attitude than anything. He could turn into a very good pitcher.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
by -ManBearPig on Nov 8, 2011 9:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I like Masset, but to this point it seems like the two-month meltdown is inevitable.
I look for stability in a closer, and someone who historically goes cold and sucks for several months every season isn’t someone I want to entrust the job to. That’s why I’m also worried about the possibility of Chapman as a closer. There’s no way to prove he’ll do the same thing every year, but that month where he completely lost the strike zone last year was scary.
Masset's declined over the past few years.
He’s beginning to look a lot like Burton.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
A two month meltdown is actually fine if you have a manager who isn't stubborn about his closer.
That’s why closing by committee is such a bright idea. Less stress, less hurt feelings. It’s the yoga of pitching roles.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Nov 8, 2011 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
How many 2011 playoff teams had a closer by committee?
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
TLR refused to call Motte his "closer"
and the Cardinals had 8 different pitchers record a save over the course of the season. For comparison’s sake, the Reds had 3
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
Eh, I prefer a closer who's stable, consistent and not prone to extended stretches of sucking the D.
So far, the only guy on the roster who seems to fit that role is Sam LeCure. I know he was good in his own role, but I’d personally like to see him get a shot at closing.
Sounds good to me.
He is versatile, might as well give it a shot. And his mustache will absolutely destroy the facial hair of his NL closer rivals.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Nov 9, 2011 2:33 AM EST up reply actions
He'll have a tough battle with Axford
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
It seemed Sam performed best with inherited runners.
The man ain’t scared.
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
I've been on this drum for a while
he’s got the sufficient weirdness and he doesn’t walk people. That’s good for me.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Agreed.
I vote Volquez as the first option, Samnation as a strong #2.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Nov 9, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Volquez has trouble with the first inning he pitches.
And he has control issues. No thanks, Edinson.
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
I could see it if he has a spring like Cueto did a few years back
when he came out of relative obscurity to take the #2 pitcher spot
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Considering how he's ripping up the AFL
I can easily see that happening.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Nov 8, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
Feliz and Papelbon are starters, not closers
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I think it was supposed to be past tense
as in, in the minors they were starters.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Weird, I was just talking about a baseball franchise tag with a friend before turning the computer on.
I don’t like the idea. I think that the way it works in football is just creative accounting and doesn’t actually form a solution. It just kinda shrugs. Ken’s idea is a bit more creative and I like it a lot, but I don’t see big-money owners allowing players to not become theirs.
I also went to a talk by St. Louis’ mayor and a few others about the financing of Busch 3. It was really, really, interesting. I’ll hopefully have something more in-depth about it to talk about later on in the day.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
the one thing I don't understand
is how this tag would vary city to city.
I mean, if you franchise Votto in Cincy (or Longoria in Tampa), how much would they get? Say they get $18 million…that would make them the 5th highest paid player on the Yankees!
What would the Yanks franchise tag have to be…$30 million if it stays proportionate?
Then the whole no-cap issue rolls right back in.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 8, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
No one would get the tag who already has a FA contract.
So basically, you would have a 7th year option on one player per year, who would then be owed 120-150% of the highest salary in the league at his position. This is the simplified way I understand it, if I am way off, someone tell me.
by Eastwindquinn on Nov 9, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
holy shit!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 8, 2011 7:01 PM EST reply actions
"Suzie Q has been identified as a person of interest in the bombing of Heavy D..."
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
We've gotta stop talking up Shields.
A commenter on Redleg Nation said he would gladly trade Votto and Chapman for Shields. I think the hype has built too much.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Nov 9, 2011 11:31 AM EST reply actions
Was the user name "NotAndrewFriedman"?
Calmer than you are.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Nov 9, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Eh, that's just one person. (a very dumb person, but still)
I don’t think anyone thinks he’s worth that.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
It is our duty to educate stupid reds fans.
So they demand smarter moves from the owners.
by Eastwindquinn on Nov 9, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
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