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Reconciling Disappointment, Part 9

Position: Third Base

2011 Innings breakdown: Scott Rolen - 37%

                                            Miguel Cairo - 29%

                                            Todd Frazier - 14%

                                            Juan Francisco - 13%

                                            Paul Janish - 4%

                                            Chris Valaika - 2%

                                            Yonder Alonso - 1%       

2011 Composite batting line (over 650 PA):

AB

R

H

2B

3B

HR

RBI

SB

CS

BB

SO

BA

OBP

SLG

OPS

599

76

150

35

5

18

82

5

3

33

104

.251

.299

.412

.711

BABIP

Contact Rate

Walk Rate

Batting Eye

SBO

RC/G

.278

82.7%

5.1%

0.32

6.2%

3.94

2011 Composite NL average third baseman batting line (over 650 PA):

AB

R

H

2B

3B

HR

RBI

SB

CS

BB

SO

BA

OBP

SLG

OPS

588

68

151

32

2

13

70

7

3

49

107

.257

.317

.387

.705

BABIP

Contact Rate

Walk Rate

Batting Eye

SBO

RC/G

.295

81.8%

7.5%

0.46

7.0%

4.08

2012 Contract status:

Rolen - signed through 2012

Cairo - signed through 2012

Frazier - not yet arbitration eligible

Francisco - not yet arbitration eligible

Janish - arbitration eligible (1st arb year)

Valaika - not yet arbitration eligible

Alonso - not yet arbitration eligible

Advanced minor league depth:

Eric Campbell - age 25, 927 OPS at A+, AA

Mike Costanzo - age 27, 752 OPS at AA, AAA

Jake Kahaulelio - age 26, 639 OPS at A+, AA

Relative win increase, 2011 vs. 2010: -3

Star-divide

Brief summary of 2011: Well, at least we had an all-star at the position.  Rolen's injury-plagued and ineffective year was a severe reminder of how important a cog he is.  Particularly shocking is that OBP number above, as a player with a career BB% rate over 10% suddenly found himself below 4% in the metric.  Pitchers had little to fear, and they showed it.  The position also was constantly disjointed, as even without Rolen, there was not a primary backup.  Cairo played well, all things considered...and one of the pertinent considerations is that he's older and has historically been a marginal player.  Beyond that, the Reds failed to establish just who the third baseman of the future is.  Neither Frazier nor Francisco were particularly impressive, and neither are so particularly young anymore.   

Way too early knee-jerk outlook for 2012: All of the four primary recipients of 3B playing time in 2011 are candidates to receive significant playing time in 2012, but the one at the bottom of the pecking order (Cairo) is the one most likely to play worse next year, leading to a strange feeling of optimism for this spot.  Rolen has been too good for too long to not forecast some level of bounce back, although as always, the health is the key.  Both Frazier and Francisco remain enigmas, but are on the upward pointing side of the development curve.  If it were my club, I would pencil in Rolen and Francisco as a platoon of sorts, hope some hardcore discipline development kicks in for the Destroyer of Children, and groom Frazier to be the next second baseman.  At any rate, mark me down as saying this position can not possibly be worse next year.

Comparable industry: One of the more stable professions in this country is that of schoolteacher.  Between the inevitability of the human life cycle and the mandate that the young polliwogs actually learn something before we pay them, it's safe to say that 100 years from now, we will still extol the importance and necessity of schoolteachers.  The combined importance and ubiquity, then, serve to point out just how few good ones there really are.  Those who are good shine like brilliant stars, while raging against the destructive forces of culture, trumpeting a siren of vapidity and uselessness.  These supernovas give brief hope before flaring out; the fifth of bourbon stashed in his/her bottom desk drawer is a sign that things are not what they were, and go ahead and plan on the teacher taking quite a few "personal days" this schoolyear.

Poll
Third base in 2012?
Way worse
11 votes
A little worse
30 votes
The same
69 votes
A little better
87 votes
Way better
37 votes

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can't possibly be worse?

But the Reds’ composite third baseman was better than league average. I’m kind of surprised you have third baseman so low on your least-to-most culpable list. Rolen might have been a disappointment, Cairo might have been playing above his head, but the results were okay. Better than okay. With the stick and the glove.

And I think END was fine in his brief callup. In particular, his defense was improved enough that I’m comfortable with him at 3B. He showed the monster power that’s always been his strong suit. The league might adjust to him next year, but for now I can live with a Rolen-END platoon.

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by BubbaFan on Nov 30, 2011 10:20 AM EST reply actions  

I’m oddly bullish on Francisco

Perhaps winter has gone to my head. His DWL numbers have him at a 0.333/0.399/0.465 line this year in ~140 PA, and what we saw of him at the end of last year seemed to be decent. Small sample size and inferior competition caveats apply, but if he can post a 0.320 OBP while maintaining some pop with decent defense at third, he may actually be a relevant player there for the next few years.

Roar.

by RedStalk on Nov 30, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

That line isn't that different from what he always does in the DWL.

Not saying it’s meaningless, just that it doesn’t really mean anything.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Nov 30, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

And all he does at the big league level

Is mash them taters.

A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.

by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Nov 30, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually, he has shown a lot less power in the majors than he did in the minors

That’s why I’m not too excited about his MLB numbers. The sample size is small enough that his OBP is league average and his ISO (.164) is just above league average.

Compare that to his minor league OBP (.317) and his minor league ISO (.216) and that’s enough to tell me that the END we’ve seen so far for the Reds is not at all the real END.

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by nycredsfan on Nov 30, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, well, SSS. Gayhole.

I know I’m right about END, just like I was about Leake.

When spring comes around, we will have an avatar bet. You can start thinking of ways to weasel out of it now, just as I’ll be thinking of various ways to invite you to suck it.

A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.

by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Nov 30, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Blogfight!

"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"

by Ewok on Nov 30, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

x

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Nov 30, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

^^ This dude is gonna lose a LOT of bets re: Juan Fransissyco ^^

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by jch24 on Nov 30, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

It's interesting how similar END & Tawd's MLB lines were last year

In my world, you have END as Rolen’s caddy and Frazier as the super-sub for every position besides SS/CF/C. I’m just not sure if this will actually happen.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Nov 30, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Frazier will likely be Cairo's backup

And as long as Cairo plays like he has these past few years, that should be fine.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 30, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I guess that's accurate

if Cairo begins to falter, he can be DFA’d without too much sorrow. If he doesn’t falter, even better!

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Nov 30, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

I get the feeling

and it’s really just a hunch, that Cairo is one of Dusty’s boys – and that’s not necessarily a bad thing. He’s a tremendous clubhouse guy by all accounts and I think that, combined with his recent performance, is going to give him a very long leash. And considering his sub role, he likely (hopefully) won’t have much opportunity to play every day and fail. So it’s hard to envision a scenario where Cairo gets DFA’d and we are still giving enough of a shit about the team to care.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 30, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

We've been over this many times

There isn’t room for all of them on the roster.

Typically a team carries 2 backup INF and 2 backup OF. The backup C makes up the last bat on the bench.

So Cairo takes 1 backup INF spot. Then you could maybe call Frazier the 4th OF. So that leaves 1 OF spot and 1 INF spot. I think we all know that they will sign an old, sucky SS to be the backup, so that takes up the last INF spot. Unless they call END the 5th OF, they won’t all be on the roster.

And this all assumes that Alonso is traded and Heisey is the starting LF. If both Alonso and Heisey are still on the roster, it gets even more crowded.

They could do that in theory (Have END as the 5th OF) but it wouldn’t be smart. Plus, they won’t, because then Dusty doesn’t have his required backup CFer.

All of this to say, Cairo needs to be gone, but instead, either Todd or END will not be on the roster because of him.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Nov 30, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I like Frazier plenty

and I think he’ll get at least 200 PAs this season. But Cairo is still good at what he does. It’s tough to send Tawd back to AAA, but the depth is a very good thing.

There’s also a very real possibility that he gets traded this winter. So there’s that.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 30, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah.

Thing is, Frazier hit about as well as Cairo last year, in his SSS. And he was weighed down by a very low BABIP. And he (IMO) plays better defense than Cairo, AND is much more versatile. I’d take Todd defensively over Cairo at 1B, 3B, SS, and the corner OF.

He has much more offensive upside and plays better defense. Given all of the crappy UT infielder signings we see every year, I’ve gotta think there’d be a trade market for Cairo.

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by nycredsfan on Nov 30, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

a 37 year old utility infielder?

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Nov 30, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed basically,

but Cairo is a pretty darned good fielder. I’d put him in front of Frazier, myself. And the whole “clubhouse presence” thing has to be weighted a bit.

I agree with you in general, but I lean more towards Scrabbles’ prediction that Frazier is going to get his. I don’t see Cairo going anywhere unless a team really bowls the Reds over with a trade. Which I don’t see happening.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Nov 30, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't want to get rid of all our veterans

This game is still played by human beings. Its good to have veteran leaders on the club. If Cairo and Frazier are close statistically, then I want the veteran. If this team had stars who were also veteran leaders, then it wouldn’t be so important,but we don’t.

The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!

by TheC on Nov 30, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

YOU IDIOT

This game is most certainly not played by human beings.

by Cuetotally Amazing on Nov 30, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Your mother was a snow blower!

Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun

@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Nov 30, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

both wrong

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Nov 30, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Good geeze, a Stan Javier reference.

Didn’t see that one coming anytime soon.

Who’s up next? Rico Brogna?

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 30, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Von Hayes?

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Nov 30, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Close

Carney Lansford

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 30, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Ray Lankford?

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Nov 30, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Jeff Blauser has a sad

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by jch24 on Nov 30, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Well

In my defense, you can’t see his tank treads in the above pic. That’s were the similarity really hits home.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 30, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I think there is something to that

Also, managers prefer veterans for bench players. Young players who are still adjusting to the big leagues don’t do well without regular playing time. Veterans, especially veterans like Cairo, who’s been a utility guy most of his career, can handle it better.

Not to mention, Frazier has options, Cairo doesn’t.

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by BubbaFan on Nov 30, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

But Cairo is playing out the string

I want the young guy who is hungry to prove himself and to do bigger and better things. The guy who has a fire and passion, not the stoic veteran.

Cliches are great because can you argue with them? And since when is Rolen not good enough as a veteran leader?

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Nov 30, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

not Latino enough

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat

by -ManBearPig on Nov 30, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

But Latino players aren't the grind-it-out leader types

they are usually the laziest players on the team.

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Nov 30, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

ha!

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Nov 30, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Frazier needs to play at the MLB level somewhere...he's not a kid anymore

As soon as Rolen breaks Fiasco will have his shot…(hopefully he does really well, but based on past experience he’s still a ‘toss up’). Frazier comes to play, puts the ball in play, can play LF, 3B, 2B, 1b. and is a short term back-up at SS…Don’t need no Cairo.

Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.

by Madville on Nov 30, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

hmmm...

The Bats took Rick Sweet off the Louisville Bats blog banner. They put a photo of Todd Frazier on the banner instead. Looks like someone is expecting Frazier to be in Louisville next year.

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by BubbaFan on Nov 30, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly

And it’s what contending teams have to do, IMO. Make use of your players with options. Even if it sucks for the player who’s stuck riding the Louisville shuttle.

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by BubbaFan on Nov 30, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

This is made even more awkward

By Francisco being out of options, at least according to Fay. This surprised the heck out of me.

by RedStalk on Nov 30, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

yes

This is why I think Frazier will be a Louisville Bat next year. (Barring unexpected trade or injuries.) There isn’t room for both him and END on the roster, and he has options, END doesn’t,

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Nov 30, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

There isn't room for END on the roster either

unless they want to count END as an OFer or not have a backup SS. Neither of which will happen.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Nov 30, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't see them sending END down if he's out of options.

I think there’s enough to like that there’d be a real risk that someone would claim him, and I don’t think the Reds would be willing to take that chance. END and Cairo and the bench-sitting half of the Alonso/Heisey and Mes/Hanigan platoons will be on the team. That leaves one spot, and it’s got to got to either Frazier, Sappelt, Janish, or a TBD reserve. I’d say that Frazier should get the call, serving as 5th OF/ primary backup at SS/ backup to Cairo as Utility IF. That puts Janish waiting in Louisville for an IF injury and Sappelt waiting for an OF injury. Of course, signings and trades change everything.

by badenjr on Nov 30, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Janish will start the year in Louisville as well

Unless the market for veteran SSs is terrible, and Jocketty can’t find the over the hill infielder of his dreams.

The Reds will want a real SS to back up Cozart, so I don’t think Frazier will get the job.

I think the backup infielders will be veteran SS guy, Miguel Cairo, and Juan Francisco. The OFers will be the same as last year, only with Alonso instead of Gomes. If Alonso or Heisey is traded, then Sappelt will be the backup.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Nov 30, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

The math doesn't add up.

If Cairo, END, backup SS are all on the team, that leaves them with only 4 outfielders, which they aren’t going to do.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Nov 30, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

A few reasons.

1) It’s just not done. Which I know sounds silly, but does this seem like the type of FO that likes to break convention?
2) That 4th OFer would have to be able to play CF. If Alonso is still on the team as the starting LFer, and Heisey is the 4th OFer, I could maybe see it. But even then, it’s risky, especially since most people don’t consider Alonso a viable OFer to begin with. If Alonso is traded, that means that Sappelt is your only backup OFer. I don’t see any way they go with that.
3) Like I said below, END on the team means Cairo is completely superfluous. He’s basically only a RH PHer at that point, which is kind of a waste.

This is why it makes so much more sense to have Frazier instead of Cairo. Depending on the needs of the roster, he could function as the UT INF or the 5th OF, ensuring you are never short in either area. Cairo is just too limited at this point in his career to allow the Reds to get away with this.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Nov 30, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree that Cairo is too limited

if he’s shown anything in the past two seasons, it’s that he’s not limited.

I agree that Frazier’s versatility would be a huge asset. He could be a utility IF and OF, sure.

I think, again, it’s a question of the 13th man. So options are going to come into play, especially in the first month of the season. As I think we all agree, Frazier’s gonna get a few hundred ABs if he’s in the organization.

I think we can agree that only one of (END/Frazier/Cairo) should be around, particularly if Alonso is.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Nov 30, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, he can play 3B, 2B, and 1B.

Anyone think he’s a real option anywhere else?

So yeah, while that’s not “limited” in a general sense, on the Reds it is, because BP and Joey almost never get days off. And if Alonso is on the team, he’ll get the reps at 1B.

I really don’t dislike Cairo, I just don’t see a place for him in the 2012 team.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Nov 30, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I do

I’d trust Miggy at SS. Just not every day. Too old.

He’s not a good OFer. Maybe he could have been, but he doesn’t have a lot of experience in the outfield, and it shows.

The key is going to be the veteran SS guy. I would imagine the plan is to get someone with more versatility than Renteria.

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by BubbaFan on Nov 30, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I dunno

You can never have enough infielders.

A veteran SS who can also play OF would be good, though. A Chone Figgins type (before he turned old and sucky)? Or a Jose Bautista type (before he got so good people started talking about trading Votto for him).

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by BubbaFan on Nov 30, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

You can definitely have too many INF. at least too many on the team at once

The real problem here is END. He’s technically a backup INF, but can only play 1 position. That puts a ton of pressure on the other guy to play everywhere, which Cairo can’t do.

That’s why Frazier is so perfect for this team. He can cover anywhere except C and CF.

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by nycredsfan on Nov 30, 2011 4:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I'd trust in END in LF

or even RF, in an emergency. Can’t be worse than Yonder.

They did put him there occasionally in the minors, but my guess is Dusty won’t do it.

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by BubbaFan on Nov 30, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait a minute motherfucker

you and i once had an argument were you argued versatility isn’t all that an important trait for a player.

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by Yossarian22 on Nov 30, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't remember that conversation

But I assume it was about starters. And I don’t think there is typically any need for a starter to have versatility.

Even backups only need some. But if they insist on burning a backup INF spot on END, a guy like Frazier could really come in handy.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Nov 30, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I would have rec'd you if you had ended your comment with "Motherfucker."

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by jch24 on Dec 1, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

nope

you’re close though

the real problem is Rolen

by cokane on Nov 30, 2011 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah...

they cut Super F.Lewis

by DocRam on Nov 30, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Again - Frazier plays 3B, SS, 2B, 1B and LF...

So what is there to talk about.

Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.

by Madville on Nov 30, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

but they did it last year

The opening day roster had 4 OFers: Heisey, Gomes, Stubbs, and Bruce.

Sappelt has options, so they’ll be able to switch him in as needed.

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by BubbaFan on Nov 30, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Because Lewis was injured.

The team also usually starts the year with 4 starters too. Doesn’t mean it’s permanent.

I just don’t believe they’ll go with 4 OFers for any extended length of time. Esp. if one is Alonso. Also not if 2 of the IF are basically the same player. That’s a terrible use of the roster.

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by nycredsfan on Nov 30, 2011 4:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Terrible use of the roster

is the Reds’ trademark.

But I don’t think it would be a terrible use of the roster to stash the players with options in Louisville. It’s all about depth. Especially if the roster will go up to 26 for doubleheaders.

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by BubbaFan on Nov 30, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

"Terrible use of the roster is the Reds trademark"

You’ve got me there. But still, they’d have Sappelt, Janish, Soto, Hank Rod, and possibly valaika as AAA depth. Frazier should be on the roster, not stashed as depth.

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by nycredsfan on Nov 30, 2011 4:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

it kinda sucks for him

But teams generally want real backups up the middle – C, SS, CF.

If they really thought Frazier could play SS, they’d have given him more than 3 innings there. Even Valaika got more than that.

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by BubbaFan on Nov 30, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I think there's room for END

In fact, barring a trade or injury, I think it’s pretty much guaranteed he’ll be on the roster, since he’s out of options.

We’ve been through this before, and I know you disagree, but I think this year’s opening day roster will resemble last year’s: four OFers, and END. As long as the spare OFer can play CF, four outfielders is enough.

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by BubbaFan on Nov 30, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

I think we’ll see Bruce/Stubbs/Heisey and probably Sappelt or Alonso or somebody else entirely. I still have no idea what’s going to happen this off-season. The suspense is killing me. I hope it lasts.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 30, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

But enough about your experiment with Viagra.

"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone

by Yossarian22 on Nov 30, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

But wait, if the suspense doesn't last you'll still be alive right?

You’re not going to die on us…are you?

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Nov 30, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Stupid autocorrect

I want my old phone back.

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 30, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

this wasn't a "past tense of Scrabbles" joke?

I thought it was, and thought it was hilarious. I even rec’ed it!

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Nov 30, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah, it was!

It wa supposed to be “Scrabbled,” not “Scribbled” though.

Steve Jobs wanted to ruin my joke though.

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 30, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

sounds like you were Jobbed

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Nov 30, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I hope it doesn't last

because that’d mean Opening Day is next!

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Nov 30, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

It's basically a 13th man question

you have starting 8, backup C, backup SS, utility IF [Cairo], backup OF [Heisey or Heisey-like substance], then END or Frazier. END is out of options, so it’ll be END. First person to get injured gets replaced by Frazier.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Nov 30, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Basically what it comes down to

is whether they’ll carry 3 backup infielders and only 1 backup OFer, or do the normal thing and carry 2 backup INF and 2 backup OF. (Which is what they did 95% of the year last year, regardless of what the opening day roster looked like)

I have a hard time believing they’ll only go with 1 backup OFer. Besides, it would be really dumb to have both Cairo and END on the team. END would clearly be the primary backup at 3B, which renders Cairo completely superfluous. He’s not really that valuable as a PHer, he doesn’t play any other position remotely well, and the only 2 other positions he does play (2B, 1B) are manned by guys who typically play over 150 games.

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by nycredsfan on Nov 30, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I realize we're now arguing about the same thing in two different places.

But I wonder if the SS backup makes a difference. If it’s Janish, who can also handle the infield, than Cairo is more superfluous than if it’s a Renteria type.

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"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Nov 30, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

This is true.

If they get a true veteran UT INF type, especially if said guy hits RH, then Cairo truly becomes unnecessary.

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by nycredsfan on Nov 30, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

then how is that guy not Cairo?

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Nov 30, 2011 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Because Cairo can't play SS.

Personally, I’d be fine with Cairo/END/Frazier all on the team with Frazier as the backup SS, but I really doubt the org is.

So if they want a true SS, and they get one who can also play 3B/2B, then Cairo is pointless.

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by nycredsfan on Nov 30, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

derp - 100%

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by kcgard2 on Nov 30, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

not writing for kcgard2

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by Yossarian22 on Nov 30, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

but

do you think they’ll DFA Cairo? After the way he’s played for the Reds?

And will they DFA Francisco, as they’d have to, since he’s out of options? He’s clearly the front-runner for third baseman of the future. I don’t think they’d even trade him, unless they got an offer they couldn’t refuse.

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by BubbaFan on Nov 30, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I think there's a non-zero chance

They don’t sign a backup SS at all, and go with Cairo/END/Frazier

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by nycredsfan on Nov 30, 2011 4:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

strictly speaking, you're right

There’s also a nonzero chance they’ll hire me to be the team photographer.

But I think the chances are greater that Janish will be the backup SS, not Frazier.

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by BubbaFan on Nov 30, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

that, I disagree with

I think Walt will make good on his promise sign a veteran SS. If only because he doesn’t trust Cozart without a net.

And once signed, I think he’ll stay. Suckitude hasn’t been a reason to DFA any shortstops thus far, why should that change? Don’t think Cairo or END are going anywhere, either.

I think it’s more likely Frazier is traded than Cairo or END are.

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by BubbaFan on Nov 30, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, we've both clearly stated our positions.

You think the team will consist of END/Cairo/Backup SS, and I don’ t.

You could be right, but I’ll be very surprised, and will think it’s really dumb, if they only go with 4 OFers for any extended period of time. Especially if one of those 4 is Alonso.

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by nycredsfan on Nov 30, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought

you were predicting Alonso would be traded.

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by BubbaFan on Nov 30, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

huh?

I don’t know if he will or won’t. But that has nothing to do with this conversation.

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by nycredsfan on Nov 30, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

way back up

in the comment that started this conversation.

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by BubbaFan on Nov 30, 2011 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Um,
And this all assumes that Alonso is traded and Heisey is the starting LF. If both Alonso and Heisey are still on the roster, it gets even more crowded.

That’s not really a prediction. Also, it still has nothing to do with this conversation.

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by nycredsfan on Nov 30, 2011 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Now you're just trolling me.

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by nycredsfan on Nov 30, 2011 5:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I know.

I’m sorry.

A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.

by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Nov 30, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

i am slightly trolling you

how come it is always you who has the arguments that come this far over on the screen.

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by Yossarian22 on Nov 30, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha!

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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Nov 30, 2011 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

than you best learn how to right

son

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by Yossarian22 on Nov 30, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

The irony is not lost on me

That people always know exactly what you mean.

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by nycredsfan on Nov 30, 2011 6:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Say what you mean, don't mean what you say

Fuckface.

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by jch24 on Dec 1, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

not trying to give you a hard time

It sounded to me like you thought Yonder was going to be traded. Since that was the basic assumption.

I was curious, that’s all.

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by BubbaFan on Nov 30, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah. The situation I presented assumed that.

If he’s not traded, the problem just gets worse. Either way, it’s a problem.

FWIW, if I was forced to predict, I’d say a C is traded.

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by nycredsfan on Nov 30, 2011 5:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

TWIS

To your mom.

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by nycredsfan on Nov 30, 2011 6:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

even more reason to trade alonso imo

bruce/stubbs/heisey/sappelt — then you have 3 guys who can play CF and should have no problem carrying only 4 OF

by cokane on Nov 30, 2011 10:21 PM EST up reply actions  

If Juan can field 3rd, he's our 5 for the foreseeable future.

I suppose we need Rolen for his veteran whateverness, but statwise we’d better off with Juan.

by MatthewH on Nov 30, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

That's a pretty big if

And still, it might be better to go with Rolen…at least throughout his contract

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by ChiDa on Nov 30, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

only one more year of Rolen

Plus, even Dusty realizes Rolen can’t play every day any more. I think it’s a good situation for END. Not as much pressure as there would be if he was the starter, but sure to get plenty of playing time.

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by BubbaFan on Nov 30, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

The league average 3B took a real hit last year

The OPS was about fifty points lower than the past two years. It might bounce back some. Zimmerman and Wright should be better, but we’ll also likely see regression from Pablo and Aramis. A couple of pretty good teams (Milwaukee, Philly) did just fine with a real shitshow at the hot corner.

The Reds can probably tread water again, which isn’t a terrible thing given the positional advantages at 1B, 2B, RF, C and potentially others. If there’s an improvement at either SS or LF, we’ll still have one of the top offenses in the league. The pitching is the much bigger problem, imo.

by ken on Nov 30, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

The offensive production from Reds 3B was below average last season

notice that the OBP portion of the OPS was strikingly low….which also happens to be the significantly more important portion.

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by kcgard2 on Nov 30, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

You are right that health is the key for Rolen

If his shoulder is strong he will be fine, if he shoulder isn’t strong we better hope Frazier or Francisco can step up.

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by Yossarian22 on Nov 30, 2011 10:50 AM EST reply actions  

I don't know is we can believe him or not, but Scotty said his shoulder is feeling really good.

I think he said something about having more range of motion then in the past few seasons.

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by BigBabyBruce on Nov 30, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

They always see that though

It is very rare that a player says they feel worse or about the same post surgery.

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by Yossarian22 on Nov 30, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

they sometimes even say that too...

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by Yossarian22 on Nov 30, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

It never sounded like any of his surgeries cleared up the problems.

They just cleaned it up and allowed him to get by. I think just ending his season really helped him out. Hopefully.

It's never too early to learn that the government is a greedy piglet that suckles on a taxpayer's teet until they have sore, chapped nipples. I'm gonna need a different metaphor to give this nine year old. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Nov 30, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Hopefully he's back to his 2010 form

which would be so snackerrific that I would develop diabetes. But I also hope that if he isn’t back to his old form, the team is willing to commit completely to END or Frazier. Or platoon them.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 30, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

The one reason I hope he's not totally back to his 2010 form

is because that would mean Walt would sign him to a 2 year extension.

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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 30, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

It’s like another BP sitch. It’s a good problem to have to be sure, but a problem nonetheless.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 30, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think there's much danger of that. At least I hope there's not.

Rolen will be 37 this season. Both Frazier and END are seemingly ready to take the job right now. The org clearly loves END. Signing Rolen to an extension would make no sense.

Which means he’ll get 2 years/$10 millon.

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by nycredsfan on Nov 30, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I know, I'm just sayin'.

If Rolen puts up 500+ AB’s of .285/.360/.500, don’t think Walt wouldn’t jump at signing him again.

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 30, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

but you're already there!

#newyorksucks

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Nov 30, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

#AndCredsIsTheDevil

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by jch24 on Nov 30, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

rec'd for truthiness?

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Nov 30, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

#instagreen'd

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by nycredsfan on Nov 30, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

x

In related news, you can file this one under “cutest things ever”: My little 2-year-old niece named her new silly putty “David”.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 30, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

It's sure not Chicago.

#ChicagoCanBlowMe

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by nycredsfan on Nov 30, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Windy City Jokes!

I’m in Saint Louis for the time being anyways.

^another joke that writes itself.

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"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Nov 30, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you mean first half of 2010 form, but I'm with ya

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by jch24 on Nov 30, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Rolen is toast

There’s no way in hell he’s going into this season feeling as good or better than he did last season, during which he played in 33 games.

Rolen’s got too much pride to pack it in, and that’s a problem for a team that needs production.

It’s gonna be END’s job, hopefully as a result of Rolen bowing out gracefully. The other option results in us seeing the guy that Cards and Phils fans never wanted to see again.

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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Nov 30, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

fty

Rolen’s got too much pride money due to him to pack it in, and that’s a problem for a team that needs production.

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by Yossarian22 on Nov 30, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

we all do

we all do

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by Yossarian22 on Nov 30, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

There you go again, making absolute statements that you can't possibly know are true.

How do you know he doesn’t feel as good as he did last season? Are you guys buds?

Also, the only factual part of your comment is wrong. He played in 65 games last season.

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by nycredsfan on Nov 30, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok, then

I know your obsession with discounting the value of intuition borders on neurosis, but I don’t need numbers to back up my predictions of likely outcomes based on past history.

You can tell me I’m wrong all you want about things that haven’t happened yet, and I can laugh at you because you are bound by what you can quantify, and I am free to go with my gut, and be right often enough to be secure about it.

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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Nov 30, 2011 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Does your gut tell you he only played in 33 games last year?

I’m not bound by anything. I just think it’s unwise to make absolutist statements about things you don’t know shit about.

None of us know how Rolen is truly feeling. But you seem to think you do.

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by nycredsfan on Nov 30, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Harping on a simple clerical error

Classy.

Yes, 65. Thank you very much.

I know you don’t believe we’re going to see 2010 Rolen again. That would be dumb, and I know you’re not dumb.

Rolen said the same stuff about how he felt last year, and we know how that turned. He has to say that stuff. He has to convince the org. He has to convince himself. He’s a gamer. But I believe he’s done as a valuable contributor. That belief is more than a guess and less than certainty.

If you can’t handle that, fine. You could just choose to ignore my statements based in intuition. You do have that option, you know.

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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Nov 30, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

This is a wonderful comment.

Full of reasoned, measured argument and only a small helping of petty personal attacks.

FWIW, if you had written it like this to begin with I probably would’ve written a very agreeable comment. Then we could’ve joined in making fun of jch acting like he’s the reasonable one.

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by nycredsfan on Nov 30, 2011 4:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I think we both know what to expect from each other by now.

There’s something a little comforting (and irritating) about that.

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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Nov 30, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Compared to you two fuckwits, I look like a cross between Ghandi and Einstein

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by jch24 on Nov 30, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

This thread is full of funny

and prolly the most active in months! It’s making me remember why I check this site every day.

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by kcgard2 on Nov 30, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, that's well done, sir.

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by ZJiff30 on Nov 30, 2011 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

x

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by jch24 on Dec 1, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

common

That Speedo was scary, but you’re not that ugly.

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by BubbaFan on Nov 30, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Even with a bad shoulder last year, Rolen showed decent power (150 ISO)

I don’t see him playing 150 games, but 100-ish decent games is definitely not out of the question.

by ken on Nov 30, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Nope, he's toast. There is no arguing it.

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by nycredsfan on Nov 30, 2011 4:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

my cuntfagitude has been rather high lately.

that’s absolutely correct.

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 30, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

i know you are trying to be a parody of yourself

but i am struggling to find the difference.

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by Yossarian22 on Nov 30, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Nicely done, Braggs

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by kcgard2 on Nov 30, 2011 8:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm actually being a parody of GMSAMBB.

Are you saying I’m just like him?

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by nycredsfan on Nov 30, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

you're crolfer?

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Dec 1, 2011 12:41 AM EST up reply actions  

In his last 100 games

7 HR

51 RBI

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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Nov 30, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

How many doubles? He hit 20 in 65 games last year

He’s traded in a few taters for doubles. Even so, his power is still respectable for the position.

by ken on Nov 30, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

30 over the 100 game span.

Slugging about .380.

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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Nov 30, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I've slept about four hours in the past two nights, so my math might be off

But 10 HR and 45 doubles for 150 games sounds pretty good. If the SLG is really .380, then it’s his average that’s killing him, not his power. His recent K rates (13% last year, 15% in ’10) have been a little better than his career average. The combination of good power and bat control suggest to me bad luck more than anything.

by ken on Nov 30, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

He got half a season out of the shoulder in '10

None of last season.

Sometimes doubles are luck. Sometimes a .279 OBP is a strong indication of inexorable decline. I’d love to be proven wrong, but I cannot see Rolen playing enough games at a high enough level to be an asset.

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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Nov 30, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I do kind of agree with you on this part.

He just looks different. The main part I took issue with was the claim that there’s no way he was feeling better.

Surgery often makes guys feel a lot better, so he could be feeling great right now. Unfortunately, aging. I think there’s a chance he could give the team 80 pretty good games, with 40 on the bench and 40 on the DL. But I think that’s probably the higher end of his upside at this point.

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by nycredsfan on Nov 30, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course he could feel much better

Not suggesting he’s being dishonest. It’s just that once you’ve broken something a million times, it will never be fixed as good as the last time you broke and fixed it.

Yeah, I could see 80 games, but does that really help us? In and out of the lineup, maybe keeping someone else (who devours children) from getting comfortable. The thing I’m scared of is what happened this year. Scotty obviously shouldn’t have played as long as he did. He made the shoulder worse without helping the team. We can’t have that again.

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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Nov 30, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Thing is,

Rolen playing 80 means END only gets 80, which delays the inevitable point where opposing pitchers realize they never have to throw him a strike.

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by nycredsfan on Nov 30, 2011 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

This is perfectly logical... if...

END turns out like you think, which will mean me eating lots of crow (and possibly sucking it) and END joining Wily Mo in Japan.

But I believe END has got the goods to put up .270/.300/.500 over a whole season. If I am correct, then even the most optimistic Rolen projection means he should be the backup.

A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.

by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Nov 30, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

You'll probably get your wish sometime around June 15th

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by jch24 on Nov 30, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he can OPS every bit of .750+

Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun

@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Nov 30, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Given 500 PAs

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@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Nov 30, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he'll be even better than that.

He’s gonna slug .500. It’s that OBP that is the challenge.

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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Nov 30, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

We need an RR contest...

Guess the date of Rolen’s first appearance on the DL.

by badenjr on Nov 30, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Spring Training

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@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Nov 30, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Who here has been banging the David DeJesus drum? You can put your mallets away

The Cubs just signed him to a 2 year deal.

I tell ya, if Epstein manages to unload Soriano somehow, I will not be happy.

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by nycredsfan on Nov 30, 2011 12:36 PM EST reply actions  

For every genius there is an idiot.

It's never too early to learn that the government is a greedy piglet that suckles on a taxpayer's teet until they have sore, chapped nipples. I'm gonna need a different metaphor to give this nine year old. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Nov 30, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Where are all the Genius in the world for all the Idiot Cub fans?

Boom. Marty.

Whoever lives past today and comes home safely will rouse himself each year on this day, show his neighbors his scars, and tell embellished stories of all their great feats of battle.

by brown11b on Nov 30, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Marty got a shout out from Vitale last night in the OSU-Duke game

I would pay good money to see Marty and Vitale announce a game together

by DerekH91 on Nov 30, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

They'd have to pay me to watch those two clowns call a game together

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
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by ChiDa on Nov 30, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

No, it wouldn't work at all

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Nov 30, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually I think that could be freaking amazing

what a contrast

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by kcgard2 on Nov 30, 2011 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

2 years, $10 million.

in other news, The Reds Have No Money And Are Talking To No One™

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by nycredsfan on Nov 30, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

That'd be me

And, well, dammit. I was hoping for him as the LH hitting OF after the Reds trade Alonso (i.e. what Fred Lewis was supposed to be last year).

Who the hell does that leave for this year? Fred fuckin’ Lewis again?!

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 30, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

there goes our meme

tur

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat

by -ManBearPig on Nov 30, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Good...Fuck David DeJesus

Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.

by Madville on Nov 30, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

The Reds Have No Money And Are Talking To No One™

This should be the slogan at the top of Red Reporter replacing the blogging since 1869 comment.

The Reds Have No Money And Are Talking To No One™ has become Uncle Walk’s winter annual right of passage.

Whoever lives past today and comes home safely will rouse himself each year on this day, show his neighbors his scars, and tell embellished stories of all their great feats of battle.

by brown11b on Nov 30, 2011 12:55 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I agree

blogging since 1869 really fucking blows.

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by Yossarian22 on Nov 30, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!

by TheC on Nov 30, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I know a lot of people have special feelings for that show.

But it’s good. Not great. The hubbub about the show is some kind of cultural feedback loop. It’s more annoying than the show was funny.

A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.

by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Nov 30, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I've seen one episode of that show

And thought it was ok. I didn’t feel an instant need to watch more, but I wouldn’t be horrified if I found out it was going to be on whilst I was strapped to a chair in front of a tv.

A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.

by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Nov 30, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Doesnt anyone here watch PBS or the BBC?

"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"

by Ewok on Nov 30, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

i have the woody allen doc on my dvr.

"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone

by Yossarian22 on Nov 30, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Watching a doc on the who presently

Phenomenal

Didn’t need to know Keith moon was a sex addict

"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"

by Ewok on Nov 30, 2011 6:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I saw it last week.

Good stuff. Though, perhaps unsurprisingly, part 1 was a lot better.

by FordhamRam on Nov 30, 2011 9:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I watched the BBC last night, who would have lost that bet?

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Nov 30, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

the PUBLIC Broadcasting System?

it is too commie for me.

"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone

by Yossarian22 on Nov 30, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Have you been to the Cincinnati wing of the Museum Center?

I hadn’t been in a very long time, and went the other day when I was home for Thanksgiving. They have this great re-creation of Cincinnati from the riverfront back to around Crosley Field, and I was surprised to see a Castellini building on the waterfront c. 1940. I didn’t realize they had been around so long. Also helps you to realize how much of Cincinnati’s wealth from the 19th century to the present has been based around food (from pork to P&G’s use of animal byproducts for soap to Castellini and the Lindners today). Definitely worth a visit if you are into urban history, as I am.

by Cuetotally Amazing on Nov 30, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

:(

You just insulted my profession.

P.S. Apparently Castellini dates back to 1896. Interesting!

by Cuetotally Amazing on Nov 30, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah?

Can you get me a discount on butt pants? I, uh, ruined my other pair.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 30, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Skyline or Gold Star?

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Nov 30, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh...yeah

Uh, we’ll say it was food-related and go with Skyline.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 30, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

?

A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.

by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Nov 30, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

!

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Nov 30, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

yepper

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Nov 30, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Just two guys.

With two pictures of legendary asses.

Kicking back with my bro, drinking some beers. Looking at asses.

Dudes’ asses.

I think we both know where this is going.

A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.

by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Nov 30, 2011 5:29 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Actually, it was 2007

Don’t ask why I know that.

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by jch24 on Dec 1, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Speaking of, I just saw that Chiquita is leaving Cincinnati.

Their CEO is a big Cincinnati sports fan. But he wanted the city to throw him a big bone, and they didn’t go as far as Charlotte. So I guess he’s not much of a homer after all.

by Cuetotally Amazing on Nov 30, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I heard some of the reason they are leaving is the airport

apparently Chiquita has a lot of clients in Europe and they aren’t happy that Paris is the only non-stop destination out of CVG.

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by Yossarian22 on Nov 30, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, they did say that in the Enquirer article.

But Charlotte also offered 10m+ more. I have to agree with Kasich on this one. Companies (and sports teams) hold cities and states hostage and it isn’t usually clear that the incentives are worth the sacrifice. Good for the officials who looked at this and decided that it wasn’t worth the house to keep Chiquita. Ohio and Cincinnati have little control over the airport, so I guess that they had to kiss it goodbye. Good riddance to a company with a flawless human rights record.

by Cuetotally Amazing on Nov 30, 2011 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't like giving incentives

it is a raise to the bottom that has not been good for city and state governments.

"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone

by Yossarian22 on Nov 30, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

honest question:

how much control does Cincy have of the airport? Because it’s not even in the state and all. Is it literally just KY and Delta keeping that thing kicking?

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Dec 1, 2011 12:42 AM EST up reply actions  

It seems Cincinnati has very little control over the airport.

Legally, the airport is run by the Kenton County Airport Board, which has eighteen members, one of whom is appointed by the Cincinnati mayor, one of whom is appointed by the Hamilton County Commissioners, and the remainder of whom are appointed by Kentucky figures. The voting members are all appointed by the “Judge Executive” of Kenton County. The others, including those with Cincinnati appointments, are advisory members.

In practice, it has always seemed that the major voice is Delta because of its virtual monopolistic control. Nobody ever seemed capable of doing anything about the prices they charged and when Delta decided to demote CVG in their national hierarchy, the ramifications were immediate. So Cincinnati and Ohio can throw incentives at companies that hold them hostage, but really if the airport is the issue than there isn’t a whole heck of a lot that leaders can do except exert public pressure. I don’t know why CVG is in KY and not Ohio; I am sure there is a specific reason, perhaps tied to labor laws or maybe just circumstance. Lunken used to be Cincinnati’s big airport but didn’t persist in that role.

by Cuetotally Amazing on Dec 1, 2011 2:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Here's some more on the historical evolution of Cincinnati's airports,

in case you haven’t fallen asleep yet. This is from the excellent cincinnati-transit.net:
“The airfield’s [Lunken] location in a flood plain was one geographical disadvantage and heavy fog and surrounding hilltops were others. All these factors put a damper on serious thought to expand Lunken airport into a major airport. Some civic leaders looked to the Blue Ash airfield location as the site of Cincinnati’s major airport. Politicians and civic leaders engaged in internal feuding trying to decide where the main Cincinnati airport should be located. Meanwhile, politicians in Northern Kentucky, sensing a great opportunity at hand, met with Federal authorities and secured Federal funding to build an airfield in Northern Kentucky. While Northern Kentucky officials rolled forward with their airport plans, Cincinnati officials were deadlocked in disagreement that lasted for decades.”

by Cuetotally Amazing on Dec 1, 2011 2:26 AM EST up reply actions  

fascinating stuff, though. thanks.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Dec 1, 2011 8:56 AM EST up reply actions  

It opened in the 40s didn't it?

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by Yossarian22 on Dec 1, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

yep
President Franklin D. Roosevelt approved preliminary funds for site development of the Greater Cincinnati Airport February 11, 1942. This was part of the Army Air Corps program to establish training facilities during World War II. At the time, air traffic in the area centered around Lunken Airport just southeast of central Cincinnati.4 Lunken opened in 1926 and was located in the Ohio River Valley. Due to its location, the airport frequently experienced fog and was covered in approximately 80 ft (24 m) of water during the 1937 flood.3 While federal officials wanted an airfield site that would not be prone to flooding, Cincinnati officials hoped to build Lunken into the premier airport of the region.5

A coalition of officials from Boone, Kenton and Campbell Counties in Kentucky took advantage of Cincinnati’s short-sightedness and lobbied Congress to build an airfield there. Boone County officials offered a suitable site on the provision that Kenton County paid the acquisition cost. In October 1942, Congress provided $2 million to construct four runways.4

The field officially opened August 12, 1944 with the first B-17 bombers beginning practice runs on August 15. As the tide of the war had already turned, the Air Corps only used the field until 1945 before it was declared surplus. On October 27, 1946, a small wooden terminal building opened and the airport prepared for commercial service.4

The first airplane, an American Airlines DC-3 from Cleveland, Ohio, landed at the airport January 10, 1947, at 9:53am. A Delta Air Lines flight followed moments later.6 The April 1957 Official Airline Guide shows 97 weekday departures: 37 American, 26 Delta, 24 TWA, 8 Piedmont and 2 Lake Central. As late as November 1959, the airport had four 5,500 ft (1,700 m) runways at 45-degree angles, the north–south runway eventually being extended into today’s runway 18C/36C.

by 'tHan on Dec 1, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Lunken's entry has it pegged slightly earlier
Lunken Airport was supplanted by the Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport in 1937 following catastrophic flooding from the Ohio River.5 The flooding problem prompted the airport’s nickname of “Sunken Lunken”. The control tower, located at the southwest corner of the airport, was almost totally submerged during the historic Ohio River flood of 1937, and now has a single black brick facing the airfield to indicate the high-water mark.6 Today the old control tower is home to the Lunken Cadet Squadron of the Civil Air Patrol, and is the oldest standing control tower in the United States.[citation needed] The property also contains public recreation areas, including an 18-hole golf course, playgrounds, and walking/biking paths.
[edit] Airport visitors

by 'tHan on Dec 1, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

It's a good reminder of the serious disadvantages of a city that encompasses more than one state.

Metropolitan governance is already very fragmented and cities always compete with their suburbs, but the Ohio vs. Kentucky dynamic (which also encompasses a North vs. South dynamic) can be very problematic. I even noticed yesterday that Castellini is now headquartered in Northern Kentucky. When you have states competing against each other for businesses within the same metro area, that’s pretty tough.

by Cuetotally Amazing on Dec 1, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

/St Louis'd

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Dec 1, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

CVG is a piece of shit, and Delta is ruining Cincinnati

for HighlifemanHoopla, in via Indy, out via Dayton.

Have myself mucho bankroll

The ends justify the means

by Highlifeman21 on Dec 3, 2011 12:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Have an RRers been to Smashburger?

"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone

by Yossarian22 on Nov 30, 2011 2:36 PM EST reply actions  

over priced?

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by Yossarian22 on Nov 30, 2011 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Five guys is overrated

Its ok, but no great shakes.

Its the hamburger equivalent of Velvet Underground/The stoogers/Lou reed

Meh

"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"

by Ewok on Nov 30, 2011 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

5 guys is a quality chain burger

if you go to a 5 guys you know what you are getting, and it is significantly better than Wendy’s, McDonald’s, BK, etc. If it is the best burger in town, your town a shitty town without its own local flavor, but it is a quality burger.

"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone

by Yossarian22 on Nov 30, 2011 6:32 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

An excellent assessment.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Nov 30, 2011 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

i agree mostly, but 5 guys has it's drawbacks

sometimes their burgers come out so sloppy they’re very difficult and/or unpleasant to eat.
the service there leaves a lot to be desired. it takes forever to get your food & ordering on the internet is a complete waste of time.
also, you can’t really go there alone. the small order of fries is $3 and enough for 4 people. they really need to remedy that

by 'tHan on Nov 30, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

That huge fry thing seems to be a new trend.

Count me in the “not a fan” category.

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by nycredsfan on Nov 30, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I do think it's part of their good nature.

At a NYC Five Guys last year the fry guy put my small fries and burger in a bag, looked at me with a mischievous smile, and proceeded to then fill the entire rest of the bag with fries. He was just being nice, and I didn’t eat them all. But I’ve never had anything but nice service there.

by Cuetotally Amazing on Nov 30, 2011 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

i have found them to be pretty friendly, considering they are working fast food

and really the amount of time it takes to make the burger is not due to bad service, but the nature of the way they prepare their food. They throw your patti on immediatly after you order it, and wrap it up and say your number in a michrophone. Their workers aren’t lazy or mean, so the service seems fine.

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by Yossarian22 on Nov 30, 2011 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

When I lived in Chicago ordering on the internet was great

I was just a short walk away, so I would order online, wait about 5 minutes and walk there, and usually within about 2 minutes my food would be ready.

I agree they could offer a small fry for about $2.

"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone

by Yossarian22 on Nov 30, 2011 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

when i tried to order on the internet

it still took 30 minutes after i got to the restaurant to get my food.

they stuck it on the fry frier & couldn’t locate it.

by 'tHan on Nov 30, 2011 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

i have never had it take 30 minutes or anything close to that

maybe your local store has problems?

"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone

by Yossarian22 on Nov 30, 2011 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

the staff at my five guys were on a first name bases

that may mean i have a problem

admitting i have a problem is the first step.

"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone

by Yossarian22 on Nov 30, 2011 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Well said sir

well said

The ends justify the means

by Highlifeman21 on Dec 3, 2011 12:32 AM EST up reply actions  

5 Guys is overrated?

I swear I just don’t even know you anymore….

Had 5 Guys for dinner last night, and it was just flat out delicious and hit the motherfuckin’ spot….

The ends justify the means

by Highlifeman21 on Dec 3, 2011 12:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Yep, We used to have one in Proctorville.

It was OK. We have 5 Guys in Huntington and it’s pretty good. Nothing, however, beats Fat Patty’s, ranked by USA Today as one of the top 10 burger joints in the nation. There’s one in Huntington, one in Barboursville and they’re opening two more — one in Ashland, Ky., and one in Teays Valley. Definitely worth checking out.

We Are ... Marshall!

by Thundering Turtle on Nov 30, 2011 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Fat Patty's is next to a Steak n Shake that i have stopped at a few times

if i make that drive again i’ll be sure to check out fat pattys

"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone

by Yossarian22 on Nov 30, 2011 11:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm confused as to why C. Trent is blocking me

The others that have blocked me, I get.

Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun

@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Nov 30, 2011 3:09 PM EST reply actions  

This is on twitter btw

Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun

@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Nov 30, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmmm

I thought this comment was a surefire greener. It has so many elements you jerks love. It has word play, porno references, the word “hombre”…and it totally fell flat. Sigh.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 30, 2011 8:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Or me, judging from your comment above

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by jch24 on Dec 1, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

here's another...

Cincinnati related tweet.

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by jch24 on Nov 30, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

word gets around

with those media types?

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by BubbaFan on Nov 30, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I like to think I'm a charming fellow

Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun

@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Nov 30, 2011 9:55 PM EST up reply actions  

dick is another word for it

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by Yossarian22 on Nov 30, 2011 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

two words

baby giraffe

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by BubbaFan on Nov 30, 2011 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Has Jim Day been posting?

or did my Thanksgiving comment get me blocked?

The ends justify the means

by Highlifeman21 on Dec 3, 2011 12:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Ramon Santiago is off the board

Nerts. I thought he’d be a real good backup SS for us.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 30, 2011 3:29 PM EST reply actions  

TRHNMAATTNO

which sucks, because all the affordable spare pieces are flying off of the board.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Nov 30, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Let's see...

Who sucks that we don’t want who isn’t yet signed…

We’re gonna get stuck with Tejada, aren’t we?

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 30, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm down for another Latino backup ss

"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"

by Ewok on Nov 30, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Least surprising comment ever.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Nov 30, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

But our last one worked out really really well.

And the one before that brought the Reds a championship.

And the one before that hit 25 dingers

And the one before that was an all-star

And the one before that was Barry Larkin, who was at least a Spanophone.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Nov 30, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it's like when someone says "I'm not racist! I have a black friend!"

For OBWOK it’s like, “I’m not racist! I like old Latino shortstops!”

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by nycredsfan on Nov 30, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I've stopped correcting 'credsy, it was becoming a full time job

The angle yore referencing was a stubborn knowitall also, full of sound and fury…

Tis better to ignore than engage #LoudNoises

"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"

by Ewok on Nov 30, 2011 6:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Yet here you are, passive aggressively (and somewhat unintelligibly) baiting me.

I’ll turn over a new leaf, take the high road, turn the other cheek, be the bigger man, let it roll like water off a duck’s back, and ignore it.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Nov 30, 2011 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Is anyone who publically says they are bigger man

really the bigger man?

"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone

by Yossarian22 on Nov 30, 2011 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

only with advanced penus metrics!

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by BubbaFan on Nov 30, 2011 6:48 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Ramon is reportedly about to sign with the Rockies.

So says the guy in the bow tie (and I don’t mean Tucker Carlson).

by Cuetotally Amazing on Nov 30, 2011 6:48 PM EST reply actions  

Damn.

As much as I’m happy for the Meso/Hanny tandem, I was intrigued by the idea of trading Hanny and re-signing Ramon to mentor Mes. Looks like Colorado beat Walt to the punch.

#TRHNMAATTNO

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Nov 30, 2011 6:49 PM EST up reply actions  

for a 2 year deal.

Good for Ramon.

He was a hell of a pickup for the Reds, through a great trade.

I guess that means that Mesoraco’s not going anywhere ’creds!

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 30, 2011 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't remember. Was that trade Walt or Wayne?

Yeah, I’m happy for him that he got 2 more years. He deserves it. Like I said, it seems like nothing the Reds are rumored to be in on ever happens for them.

There is talk that next week’s Winter Meetings are going to be really active. If Walt sits on his hands the whole time, I’mma fly to Cincinnati and strangle him.

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by nycredsfan on Nov 30, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

It was a Walt trade

2009 was CCM’s first year in Cincinnati. Freel and Dusty had a falling out in 2008, so he was traded.

Great trade too I thought it was garbage for garbage I had no expectations of getting a decent player in return for Ryan Freel.

"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone

by Yossarian22 on Nov 30, 2011 6:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I pretty much agreed

I did not expect much of anything out of CMM

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Nov 30, 2011 8:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I have all the faith in the world that Walt is going to be active.

I’m predicting two trades. One for a #2 type starter and another for a closer. Walt will be getting two sandwich picks this year, so i think he will be willing to move some prospects.

It's never too early to learn that the government is a greedy piglet that suckles on a taxpayer's teet until they have sore, chapped nipples. I'm gonna need a different metaphor to give this nine year old. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Dec 1, 2011 8:55 AM EST up reply actions  

2 years, $6.5 million is the deal.

Seems pretty good. I guess the Rox are hoping the thin air means more than his .592 second half OPS last season.

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by nycredsfan on Nov 30, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions  

The offseason is like high school prom when you are a Reds fan.

All the football players ask the cute girls early (and vice versa). Then the small fry fight over what’s left.

by Cuetotally Amazing on Nov 30, 2011 6:50 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

This is a wonderful analogy.

To take it further, the Reds are the backup QB who had that one really good game last season when the starter got hurt, but hasn’t seen the field since.

He thinks that should get him in with some of the popular girls, and is talking like he’s going to ask someone really popular, but gets too nervous and ends up taking a clarinet player. An old, past their prime, Latino clarinet player.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Nov 30, 2011 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

i took out two clarinet players

and i never played football.

EVERYTHING IS ABOUT ME!

"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone

by Yossarian22 on Nov 30, 2011 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I DON'T WANT...YOUR LIFE!!

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Dec 1, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

#GoodLord

The Rockies are getting Tyler Chatwood in return. He was a top 100 prospect entering this year, and the Angels rushed him to the bigs where he struggled.

But he’s only 21, he throws 93-95, and he has a good changeup and curveball. I definitely would’ve taken him for Hanigan.

This is getting kinda depressing.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Nov 30, 2011 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Angels continue to be stupid

the legacy of the Napoli trade just keeps on giving. Good Lord that was one of the worst trades of all time.

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Nov 30, 2011 8:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Amen to that

not even a relative steal, a straight up steal

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Dec 1, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

LOLMarlins


#turrible

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat

by -ManBearPig on Nov 30, 2011 7:04 PM EST reply actions  

is that supposed to be a Marlin?

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Nov 30, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions  

named billy

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by Yossarian22 on Nov 30, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Billy?

Why Billy?

Oh, I get it. Because Marlins have bills!

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by BubbaFan on Nov 30, 2011 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Why Billy

Because the fucking uniform says so, and my mama didn’t raise no fools.

"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone

by Yossarian22 on Nov 30, 2011 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

it looks kinda like an albatross

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Dec 1, 2011 12:47 AM EST up reply actions  

You know why it's not LOL?

He will soon be cheering on Fielder and Pujols and Reyes and Shields and Wilson. And we will still be fighting over Cairo vs. Frazier.

by Cuetotally Amazing on Nov 30, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions  

if the Reds trade a catcher now

It will likely be Grandal.

I’m torn between wanting the Reds to make some bold moves, and being afraid they’ll do something really dumb.

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by BubbaFan on Nov 30, 2011 9:48 PM EST up reply actions  

It was always more likely to be Grandal, despite what KMIB would have us believe.

And I agree on the second point. I want some excitement! …..followed by weeks of bemoaning the rash stupidity of the move.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Nov 30, 2011 9:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, yes, it has always been more likely that Grandal would get traded instead of Mes.

That I’ve always acknowledged.

I’ve just always said that I think Grandal will be the better player of the two…hence my advocating for Mes being trade bait.

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 30, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope you are right that Grandal is a better hitter.

I also hope they both stay on the Reds, and Grandal becomes a wicked switch-hitting 1B.

(*note: There is zero chance Grandal becomes a better defensive catcher.)

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by nycredsfan on Nov 30, 2011 10:11 PM EST up reply actions  

really?

I thought it was the opposite. Grandal was seen as solid gold defensively, but perhaps not the hitter Mez was supposed to be.

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by BubbaFan on Nov 30, 2011 10:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Definitely not.

Grandal is very athletic, but Mes has improved his D tremendously, particularly with passed balls, and Grandal’s pop times are much slower. I don’t think there’s much about Grandal right now that shows he’ll be better than Mes defensively.

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by nycredsfan on Nov 30, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

the scouting reports I've seen

have been positive enough that I think it would be a real waste to move him from catcher. At least until he proves he can’t do it.

He has had just one year in pro ball, really. He went from A-ball to AAA in one year, which is pretty impressive for a catcher. But it is a small sample size, and could prove to be an illusion.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Nov 30, 2011 10:40 PM EST up reply actions  

and he's a switch hitter!

Which means he’s the next Victor Martinez…only with defense!

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 30, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

how are his splits?

I seem to recall there was some concern about how well he hit from one side of the plate. I don’t remember which side.

His overall numbers are sure good, so I guess it doesn’t matter.

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by BubbaFan on Nov 30, 2011 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Those Miami kids tend to be pretty polished

And I think he’ll get better. But I think Mes will too. And I think Grandal will always be worse at throwing out runners.

Offense wise, I think will have a better avg, Mes more power.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Nov 30, 2011 11:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I'm with ya about Grandal being the better of the 2

and I also think we should trade Mes, and Votto in the same deal!

The ends justify the means

by Highlifeman21 on Dec 3, 2011 12:39 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought there was a chance they'd keep CMM

and trade Hanny. Though I’m glad they’re keeping Hanny.

And I hope the Reds’ big move this winter isn’t signing BP to an 8-year contract or something.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Nov 30, 2011 10:55 PM EST up reply actions  

fuck it, do something dumb,

give us something to talk about.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Dec 1, 2011 12:48 AM EST up reply actions  

He will?

The Marlins are putting on a pretense of changing their ways to garner interest with their new stadium, new look, etc., but it’s still the same ownership group and GM. They are not going to sign any of those players (maybe Wilson at the very most).

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Nov 30, 2011 8:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I think they might sign one of them

But not Pujols. Probably not Fielder, either.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Nov 30, 2011 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

They are players though.

And they have money to spend. It’s not pretense to offer a $200m contract to Pujols, which by all accounts they did do. And they have made a run at Reyes. I think we are seeing the emergence of Miami and Washington as big money-spending teams. And I don’t like it!

by Cuetotally Amazing on Nov 30, 2011 10:28 PM EST up reply actions  

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