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Red Reposter - Could Edinson Volquez be the Ace we are all searching for? Like, fer serious?

Are you banging the drum for the Reds to trade for Gio Gonzalez?
He's been a popular target of Reds fans this winter, as the A's have made him available and he looks like he could be the top of the rotation starter the Reds crave. But take heed! Dave Cameron of FanGraphs suggests you consider a low-cost alternative to Gio, who would likely cost a princely ransom.

There is another pitcher out there that has been rumored to be available that has looked very similar to Gio over the past four seasons, but could likely be had for a fraction of the cost. And who, you may ask, is this diamond in the rough? None other than...Edinson Volquez?  

Funny, this whole things reads just like the Johnny Cueto/Jair Jurrjens discussion we had a while back.

Welp, we missed out on Jonny Broxton
Word is that he will sign with the Royals on a one year deal. I've been a big proponent of Broxton this off-season, as he looks like a good bet to bounce back after an injury-plagued 2011 and all for an affordable price. He'll make $4 mil with another $1 mil in incentives.  I would have really liked this deal had the Reds signed it, but since it was the Royals I'm gonna shrug and move on.

Now that Broxton is off the table
What are your feelings towards Octavio Dotel? The Reds are reportedly taking a look at him. Dude's been around forever, as he'll be 38 next season. But he's still bringing it, as his 5/1 K/BB last season can attest. He seems like a perpetual good deal for whatever teams he signs with and could possibly serve as a stop gap closer until Brad Boxberger is ready for the big stage. I could see him getting $3-4 mil on a one year deal.  

Anyone interested in Matt Garza?
He had a very impressive season last year, his first as a Cub. But the new brass in Chi-Town are looking to tear down and rebuild and Garza represents their most valuable asset. He will not be a Red next year though, for a number of reasons.

The most obvious one is that the Cubs would not deal him to a division rival. At least, it's very unlikely they would. Secondly, he would likely cost our best prospect package (not to mention an intra-division sur-tax they would likely extract). Garza looks good, but I'm worried that we would be buying high in such a situation. Last season was by far his best as a pro, which could mean he either turned to corner onto Ace Avenue or it could mean it was a fluke. And lastly, he will make around $9 mil next season, his next-to-last-year of arbitration eligibility.

All in all, I wouldn't mind asking about him, but he's probably three or four on my list of desirables right now. Also, they most likely wouldn't deal him to the Reds, so the point is all but moot.

South Side Sox is shopping John Danks for the White Sox
and our boy kcgard2 represented the Reds in negotiations. Here's the relevant bits: "Another option getting some attention in Reds circles. He'd be a definite upgrade in our rotation, though not the true top-line starter we covet. Also, he seems to be getting a lot of love from other teams so his asking price might be rather high for Jocketty's tastes. As for my tastes, I'd offer Travis Wood (good minor league numbers as lefty starter, good rookie debut, rougher sophomore season, still young at 25 next year), Sappelt, and Matt Klinker (minor league pitcher probably a relief arm at MLB level with upside). I'd probably have to include another prospect. I might go so far as to include Homer Bailey, but payroll becomes an issue for the Reds if a lot of current MLB players are included."

Star-divide

andromache wonders if James Skelton could be the next Ryan Hanigan
In response to the rumors that Hanigan could be traded this winter, andro had this to say:

"On the other hand, we may have the next Ryan Hanigan already in the system. It’s a little pipe-dream-y, but I really liked James Skelton when he was with the Tigers – as a discipline-strong, power-weak, 22 year old catching prospect. He was still never a very highly rated guy, but his star has fallen since then. This last year, he only OPS’d .706 between AA and AAA, as a 25 year old. But that’s been in limited playing time, over both this year and last – perhaps he’s resolving an injury issue? (It wouldn’t be that surprising to me – I mean, how many 165 lb catchers do you see in professional baseball?) In any case, smart money is not on Skelton gracing the Reds major league roster – but you never know. Ryan Hanigan had some rough years in the minor as well."

Here's the sitch on Skelton: He was drafted by the Tigers and was claimed by the Diamondbacks in the '09 Rule 5 draft. He spent 2010 in the Pirates system and signed a minor league deal with the Reds last May. His career line in the minors is strikingly similar to Hanigan's - Skelton has slashed .263/.393/.367 while Hanigan slashed .294/.382/.371. Hanigan debuted in the majors as a 26 year old, but didn't see regular playing time until he was 28. Skelton got his first taste of AAA last year at 25. Like andro said, it's most likely nothing. Hell, it's likely that the Reds won't even tender Skelton a minor league deal this winter and he'll catch on with another organization. But the Reds have gotten tremendous value from Hanigan, a non-prospect if there ever was one, and it could serve them well to see if they can catch lightning in a bottle again with Skelton.

Lil Kenny Rosenthal says there is a friendly debate among Reds ownership about the future of Joey Votto
Banana Bob thinks he can sign Votto to an extension, while others in the ownership group think a trade this winter is the more reasonable tack.

He also says some rival GMs see Yonder Alonso as a postiionless prospect, destined for the DH role in very short order. As such, he doesn't see Alonso as a centerpiece prospect in a deal for an ace. I can buy that a few people out there think Alonso isn't fit to even play 1B and that his value is severely blunted by that. But really, it only takes one team that thinks he's worth it. He's still one of the top hitting prospects in the game right now and that has significant value. it's definitely something to keep blah blah blah blah.

David Coleman at The Crawfish Boxes is one cynical SOB
He'd fit in really well around here. Dave is folding his arms and harumphing at the prospect of the Astros hiring Rays' GM and baseball wunderkind Andrew Friedman as their new GM. He argues there are just too many reasons for Friedman, whom he thinks would be a terrific get, to not come to Houston. Most of those reasons revolve around the fact that the organization sucks hind tit right now. Friedman is the prettiest girl in school right now, and the Astros are the cripplingly insecure, physically repellent, socially retarded kid in the back of the room that wipes his boogers under his desk.  No way she asks them to the Spring Time Pumpkin Dance, right?

And there, but for the grace of God, go we.

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I'm on the anti-Gio wagon.

And the anti-Cahill wagon (doesn’t strike out enough). And pretty much anything that Billy Beane tries to sell…

Dotel is a great righty guy, but he doesn’t get lefties out at all. He strikes them out less, walks them more, and gives ’em the Bronson Arroyo treatment too often. But I would pay him a mil or two to keep the Reds from making Chapman a closer.

by lookatthathat on Nov 29, 2011 12:54 PM EST reply actions  

what's interesting to me

is that the A’s probably won’t ship out 2 of their starters. So even if the Reds have the best offer for Cahill, they have to have the best offer for Cahill and Gonzalez. It’ll be fun to watch, that’s for sure.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Nov 29, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

this Alonso yap is garbage

Matt LaPorta and Brett Lawrie were basically position less too when they were used as trade centerpieces, and neither of them had Alonso’s success during a call up.

Also, Justin Smoak wasn’t exactly considered an all- world defensive 1B when he was traded for Cliff Lee (within the same division, I might add.)

No, Alonso is no gold glover, but he’s certainly good enough to be a trade centerpiece; either that or he’ll be good enough to hit 20 homers with a nifty .365 OBP while playing bad defense in GABP’s LF.

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 29, 2011 1:04 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

This is very sound reasoning.

I’ve always said if you’re not at a formal function or eighty years old or older, you have no business wearing one of those ridiculous looking fucking things. Whenever I see a man in one, I automatically assume he’s a fucking idiot.

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Nov 29, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

x

It's never too early to learn that the government is a greedy piglet that suckles on a taxpayer's teet until they have sore, chapped nipples. I'm gonna need a different metaphor to give this nine year old. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Nov 29, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Only if this guy showed up

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Nov 29, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

See what I mean?

Instant asshole.

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Nov 29, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

He is a Dick, get it right!

"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone

by Yossarian22 on Nov 29, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 29, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I agree

I think Rosenthal is pettling smut for Friedman.

@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!

by Dave from Louisville on Nov 29, 2011 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but isn't it really frustrating that the Reds are sitting on Chapman, Volquez, and Wood and still have to have this discussion every year?

Why can’t the prospects for the teams I like ever blossom? Why does it always go the other way (with the important exception of Votto)? Is all the karma I’ve earned going into the surprise Bengals this year, instead of the Reds?

by Cuetotally Amazing on Nov 29, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

X

Actually it isn’t that unusual to have 3 potential aces like Cueto, Volquez, and Bailey all at the same time and only one to turn out. The 90’s Braves or early 2000’s Athletics which each had three young aces emerge at about the same time is rare.

Also Mike Leake is pretty good.

"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone

by Yossarian22 on Nov 29, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Voice of reason

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Nov 29, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

the fact that we have two useful homegrown MLB starting pitchers is pretty good.

This is where it sucks not being able to have the money to go out and sign starters, since it is really hard to have 3-5 home grown starting pitchers.

"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone

by Yossarian22 on Nov 29, 2011 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought it was particularly interesting

because the conversation Cameron has is essentially the exact same conversation we had about Cueto and Jurrjens. Over the past four years, these guys look really similar. But you have to weight their most recent experience more, so guys like Volquez and Jurrjens are docked due to recent injury/ineffectiveness.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 29, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Scoop!

David Bell will manage L’ville next season!

Link

"Red Reporter - An elitist clique full of like-minded douchebags." - BK

by ZJiff30 on Nov 29, 2011 3:04 PM EST reply actions  

I didn't see anything here, so I went with it.

So it’s just an RR scoop.

(SHUT UP!)

"Red Reporter - An elitist clique full of like-minded douchebags." - BK

by ZJiff30 on Nov 29, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

And....sploosh

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Nov 29, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

If Yonder does get traded for a SP

are we really comfortable with Heisey/Sappelt/Frazier in LF? Its an issue I haven’t seen discussed at all

by vottomatic on Nov 29, 2011 3:33 PM EST reply actions  

I've brought it up

And no, I’m not comfortable with it, which is why I keep advocating using Mesoraco as bait instead (since I’m unabashedly a bigger Grandal fan). There’s an infinitely larger pool of pitchers available if Mez is offered instead.

I just pissed off ’creds again!

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 29, 2011 3:45 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

I'm perfectly comfortable with that

it would be good defensively, and an offensive upgrade over what we’ve had the past two years as well.

At worst, LF sees a slight dropoff in overall production (which I think unlikely), but the rotation sees a bigass upgrade. So it’s worth it.

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Nov 29, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

My issue with it

is that if LF continues to struggle offensively, there would be 4 potential (5 if you count Meso for being a rook) question marks offensively. LF, CF, SS, and 3B all have the potential to be below average and it has to be hard to compete with 4 below average hitters in your everyday lineup.

by vottomatic on Nov 29, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

The other side of the coin where we don't trade Alonso

CF, SS, 3B are still question marks offensively, the defense is a little weaker, and the rotation is considerably weaker. Take your pick, I guess.

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Nov 29, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

I want to see Yonder traded for a starter, but I also want to see a different LF brought in. Who and how I don’t know. Without looking it up Beltran is probably the only FA I would like to see (maybe Cuddyer), but probably too expensive. And there don’t seem to be any trade targets that could fill the void.

by vottomatic on Nov 29, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd be cool with him playing in Cincy next season

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Nov 29, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Blech

I’d rather play cheap Heisey than expensive Ham Bone.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 29, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

the pitchers agree.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Nov 29, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions  

they'd still need a lefty OF though

For the bench if nothing else.

DeJesus!

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 29, 2011 5:36 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Blah, blah, blah

Waht if BP gets hurt?? What if Bruce slips on one of Bob’s bananas? We’re doomed!

How about this: Hi-C could really be an OK hitter for LF (which his major league numbers suggest; we already know he’s above average defensively out there), Stubbs could turn in another 3 WAR season (just like last year’s “disaster”), and Cozart might be able to hit his way out of a paper bag (unlike the Janish/Renteria combo from last year).

No team (unless you want to have a payroll like the Yankees) can have an All-Star at every position; sometimes, having 3 or 4 better than average guys around 3 or 4 really good players is enough.

There is nothing wrong with Hi-C, Stubbs, and Cozart playing on a team with Votto, Bruce, and BP (and hopefully more Rolen). You do realize the Reds were 2nd in the league in scoring this year, after leading the league last year?

Last year, the Reds’ SS had an OPS of .599 and the LF had an OPS of .680 yet the team still scored plenty of runs. If Alonso could be traded for a good pitcher, that’s far more value than his bat has for this team.

"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"

by sidnancy on Nov 29, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

awesomesauce

and rec’d

A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart

by PeteyHendrix on Nov 29, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I realize they were 2nd in the league in scoring last year, sure.

And who was first?

Right, the Cardinals, and they were well ahead of the Reds in team OPS (30 points) despite playing in a tougher hitting environment.

Having a third bat in the lineup capable of posting an .850 OPS in a 500 AB season despite defensive liabilities (see: Berkman, Lance) sure as hell would help.

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 29, 2011 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Comparing a DH to Stubbs

Is like comparing a penus and a vajayjay.

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 30, 2011 9:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Why?

Because it directly refutes your arguement?

You brought up Berkman as a good hitter who is a defensive liability. According to BBRef, he was worth -7 runs for his defense and -7 runs for his position. Martinez was worth -2 runs for his defense and -10 for his position (he also played catcher, which mitigates his DH time); in other words, he is exactly Lance Berkman with an .850 OPS. Lance Berkman with an .850 OPS is Drew Stubbs, v. 2011.

"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"

by sidnancy on Nov 30, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

First off, I'm not arguing, so I don't posess an "argument."

And I don’t fundamentally worship at the altar of WAR, so I tend to err on the side of common sense when certain comparisons are made that do not contain much substance.

Comparing the 2011 WAR values of a DH (he caught 26 games) who accumulates almost his entire value from his bat with a CF who accumulates almost his entire value from his defense is inherently a comparison of opposites…hence my dick joke.

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 30, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

OK
Comparing the 2011 WAR values of a DH (he caught 26 games) who accumulates almost his entire value from his bat with a CF who accumulates almost his entire value from his defense is inherently a comparison of opposites

I used Martinez only to show what that “.850 OPS player despite defensive liabilities” would actually add to the team. He may be a DH, but he added (actually, subtracted) as much defensively as Berkman (the guy you brought up).

But really, does common sense really tell you that a hitter who can OPS .850 but can’t catch a cold (1) is really as valuable as a good defender at a premium position who can OPS .700, or(2) is what’s really keeping this team from contending?

"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"

by sidnancy on Nov 30, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

That was precisely my issue with using a DH

Whether he can’t catch a cold or not is irrelevant since either way he’s not allowed to. He could be a great defender but it doesn’t matter…he’s not allowed to field.

I’ve never claimed that Stubbs has no value, and if you want to check back far enough I’ve even advocated my issues with judging him solely via his OPS since that discounts the 40 plus steals he had (tack those bases on to his SLG and what do you get?). That said, I don’t think the Reds will use him properly, and though that’s no fault of his own, it will continue to hurt his overall value.

And to your point, I think it’s a lot easier to find plus defensive CFs than it is to find an .850 OPS bat that makes the league minimum.

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 30, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Look

The guy isn’t Willie Mays. I understand that.

What some people need to understand is that he doesn’t have to be to be valuable. CFs don’t need to hit like Jay Bruce to be very important to a team’s success. Stubbs plays plus defense and steals bases, so he can still be very good without an .850 OPS.

Would I like him to hit like ‘10? Absolutely. Hitting like that, he’s one of the top players in the league (by bWAR, he was 7th among position players in the NL). But on an otherwise decent team, he doesn’t have to.

It’s the same thing as when Dunn was here. The guy was a very good player (other than ‘06) despite his shortcomings, but that was never good enough for people. They demonized him because he didn’t play better defense or hit for average. But it’s OK if the player does other things well enough, and the things he did (get on base, hit for power) made up for those things enough that he was still a valuable player.

Three seasons ago, the feeling around here was that Stubbs should be called up simply because he couldn’t possibly be worse than Willy Taveras. Needless to say, his career so far has been lightyears beyond any expectations we had. And yet, that isn’t good enough.

Stubbs blew away his projections the first 2 seasons; last year, he was slightly below (86 OPS+ vs. 92+ predicted by ZiPS, the only one I can still find). And yet, they guy’s a bum.

The pitching on this team sucks. People around here have been waiting for Volquez to turn into Pedro Martinez for 3 years – it isn’t going to happen. Leake and Goodroyo are certainly valuable pitchers, but until and unless Cueto shows the ability to throw 180+ above average innings, this team doesn’t even have a decent #2, let alone #1, starter.

Bitch about the fact that there still isn’t a decent plan B for 3B, or that the team is an injury away from disaster at 2B, SS (or are you OK with more Janish?) and RF (and if Alonso gets traded, 1B (and maybe even if he isn’t)). Worry about the bullpen – who do you really feel comfortable with to shut the other team down in the middle of a rally?

"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"

by sidnancy on Nov 30, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I feel like Reds fans need to do the Mickey Hatton chant

“There’s only one Joey Votto!” x infinity or something.

One 6 win player and six 3 win players is pretty damned good. And it’s a lot better than hoping some off-season fairy dust will turn 3-win players into 6-win players.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Nov 30, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

They all look the same.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Nov 30, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

the more I see this line of reasoning

the more I think that someone besides Votto really needs to step it up. Be it Rolen, Bruce, Mesoraco, whoeves, this team needs more than just Joey and the Defenders.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Nov 29, 2011 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually, I think the opposite.

Well, not the complete opposite. Don’t lose Joey.

But looking at the RCAA numbers from Lee Sinins, the important thing to do is not so much to get a big star at the other positions, as it is to avoid the black holes.

Consider these RCAA numbers:
Joey: 51
BP: 13
Bruce: 12
Janish: -27

So, Janish canceled out all the above-averageness of Phillips AND Bruce. Cozart was a 0, so assuming he could maintain what he did over a season, that change would be a 27 run differential. For reference, Tulo was a 26 RCAA guy, Cory Hart was 21.

Which is easier? Finding a Cozart to replace a Janish, or finding a Tulo to replace a Cozart?*

Other teams had this issue, too. Betancourt and McGehee canceled out Prince Fielder. Of course, they still had Braun, so that helped.

Bottom line: giving away outs kills you. Try to get someone average at every position, and then add a couple of slightly above-average guys, and one way above average guy, and you’ve got a great offense.

*Yes, I am ignoring defense for the purpose of this argument.

"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville

by bbjones on Nov 30, 2011 11:46 PM EST up reply actions  

ignoring defense ain't gonna get you far around these parts

/spits into spittoon

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Dec 1, 2011 12:39 AM EST up reply actions  

i know.

I’m just too lazy to copy the numbers. The point is, it’s not shortstop so much as it is the general principle: avoid playing guys who are out machines.

Playing guys who are useless with the bat can completely negate the value of your stars.

It’s easier to replace your crappy hitters with okay hitters than it is to replace your okay hitters with stud hitters, and it has a similar impact on your offense.

Fine. I’ll look it up. Just a sec…
Cozart was +7 FRAA, Janish was +5. I’m not saying Cozart was actually better, but Janish wasn’t 27 runs better. Tulo was a +13, so total Tulo was 31 runs better than Cozart. Close enough to make the point.

FWIW, Omar Infante is the guy that Sinins thinks makes the defensive case: BRAA -9, FRAA 25, for a total of +14.

Also: nice spittoon.

"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville

by bbjones on Dec 1, 2011 3:30 AM EST up reply actions  

cool stuff.

This is more or less the premise I was stating above, in regards to hanging on to Yonder because having a guy making the league minimum who potentially is an .850 OPS player is something in not willing to just give away, bad defense or not.

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 1, 2011 8:23 AM EST up reply actions  

I really like the premise, don't get me wrong.

I was just posting drunk and exhausted last night.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Dec 1, 2011 8:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I would just like to say

There is nothing at all wrong with that.

"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville

by bbjones on Dec 1, 2011 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

especially LF defense

that’s the most important defensive position in the field!!

The ends justify the means

by Highlifeman21 on Dec 3, 2011 12:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Just Sappelt and Heisey

will provide .300 avg, 500 homers next season

Cingrani for 2012 Closer!

by OGC Reds on Nov 29, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I like how you started with 300 and 50

and just went for 500, keep it classy RR.

I BLEED RED

by Excalib8 on Nov 29, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Heizerelt is more likely to be productive than Voleiyood, perhaps.

Plus, if the Reds have to trade a back-end pitcher, they could possibly get a passible LFer for him.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Nov 29, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Which makes you more uncomfortable

the current crop of characters in the rotation or left field minus Alonso?

"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone

by Yossarian22 on Nov 29, 2011 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Carlos Quentin - write it down

@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!

by Dave from Louisville on Nov 29, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

lord

if that happens, I’m rooting for Adam Dunn and whichever 3 former Reds on the White Sox’ roster.

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 29, 2011 6:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Reds need to trade Alonso

he really is an AL player, will be more valuable to an AL team than he will for the Reds. I wouldn’t sweat it if our LF was Heisey/Sappelt, if that meant we had a decent #2 or #3 starter who could chew up a big inning count as well.

Furthermore, even if Heisey/Sappelt stick up the joint out there, picking up a LF midseason is one of the easiest things the Reds could do. It will be far easier than trying to add on a high quality starting pitcher.

by cokane on Nov 29, 2011 11:12 PM EST reply actions  

Octavio Dotel has played for twelve teams in his career.

Nine in the last six years.

That’s a lot.

How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 29, 2011 11:15 PM EST reply actions  

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Sunday's Rockies game - Anyone here going?
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Pls Help Me Figure Out Who Signed This Ball
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A Salami For Soto (Villareal vs. Cloyd)

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