Reconciling Disappointment, Part 8
Position: Relief Pitcher
2011 Innings breakdown: Nick Masset - 14%
Francisco Cordero - 14%
Logan Ondrusek - 12%
Sam LeCure - 11%
Jose Arredondo - 11%
Aroldis Chapman - 10%
Bill Bray - 10%
Carlos Fisher - 5%
Jordan Smith - 4%
Jeremy Horst - 3%
Matt Maloney - 3%
Travis Wood - 1%
Jared Burton - 1%
Daryl Thompson - 1%
Mike Leake - 0%
Chad Reineke - 0%
Edinson Volquez - 0%
2011 Composite pitching line (over 72 appearances):
|
W |
L |
ERA |
G |
SV |
Holds |
IP |
H |
R |
ER |
HR |
BB |
SO |
HBP |
WP |
|
4 |
4 |
3.55 |
72 |
6 |
10 |
71.7 |
62 |
30 |
28 |
7 |
33 |
61 |
3 |
4 |
|
WHIP |
BABIP |
Opp BA |
Opp OBP |
Strand Rate |
xERA |
|
1.317 |
.277 |
.234 |
.322 |
75.4% |
3.52 |
2011 Composite NL average relief pitcher pitcing line (over 72 appearances):
|
W |
L |
ERA |
G |
SV |
Holds |
IP |
H |
R |
ER |
HR |
BB |
SO |
HBP |
WP |
|
4 |
4 |
3.59 |
72 |
7 |
11 |
71.0 |
64 |
31 |
28 |
6 |
29 |
64 |
3 |
3 |
|
WHIP |
BABIP |
Opp BA |
Opp OBP |
Strand Rate |
xERA |
|
1.306 |
.293 |
.241 |
.320 |
74.5% |
3.54 |
2012 Contract status:
Masset - arbitration eligible (3rd arb year)
Cordero - team option for 2012
Ondrusek - not yet arbitration eligible
LeCure - not yet arbitration eligible
Arredondo - arbitration eligible (1st arb year)
Chapman - not yet arbitration eligible; has ML contract through 2014
Bray - arbitration eligible (2nd arb year)
Fisher - arbitration eligible (1st arb year)
Smith - not yet arbitration eligible
Horst - not yet arbitration eligible
Maloney - with Minnesota
Wood - not yet arbitration eligible
Burton - with Minnesota
Thompson - free agent
Leake - not yet arbitration eligible
Reineke - free agent
Volquez - arbitration eligible (2nd arb year)
Advanced minor league depth:
Brad Boxberger - age 23, 2.03 ERA at AA, AAA
Jerry Gil - age 28, 3.59 ERA at AAA
Doug Salinas - age 22, 4.47 ERA at A+
Andrew Bowman - age 25, 4.50 ERA at A+, AA
Travis Webb - age 26, 4.35 ERA at AA, AAA
Tim Hamulack - age 34, 4.75 ERA at AA
Relative win increase, 2011 vs. 2010: -1
Brief summary of 2011: There's an old joke about the two actuaries who went duck hunting, took their best shot, and watched as one shooter's bullet whizzed six feet to the left of the target, while the other missed by six feet to the right. The pair gave each other a spirited high-five, of course, since on average they nailed it. Given the middling summary numbers shown above, the joke might apply to this bullpen group as well, since the results were average, while the path to get there was anything but. The bullpen was a frustrating group in 2011, because the key players each went through periods of rather extreme hot and cold. Every time a reliever or two emerged as one of the hot hands, seemingly, he then was then a good bet to explode in spectacular fashion. Perhaps all staffs go through this to some degree, but the inconsistency on this team was a regular storyline throughout.
Way too early knee-jerk outlook for 2012: I'm not especially confident, but I'm cautiously optimistic. The left-handed brigade feels pretty solid with Chapman and Bray, although some screws still need to be tightened with the former. Additionally, LeCure has emerged as one of the better pure pitchers of the group. Unfortunately, of the five top names in terms of 2011 innings, we've only mentioned one thus far. Cordero is likely gone, so the real question is: will Masset, Arredondo, and Ondrusek pitch like relief aces or not? Or some combination thereof? The talent is here for a strong pen, but the history is not favorable. I see two of the questionable three taking a step forward (I feel most strongly about Masset), leading to a nice rebound for the relief corps. There are enough arms currently to staff a full pen, but I expect another arm or two to be brought in on the cheap this winter.
Comparable industry: TV weathermen get the most attention of the entire newscast ("Find out if you'll need a sweater or an umbrella...right after this!"), but don't generally tell us much of anything impactful, save for the occasional impending natural disaster. Meteorological models get improved all the time, and I suppose the predictive accuracy has, too. Nonetheless, people get a kick out of complaining about how the weatherman never gets it right. More to the point, I guess, is that people feel free to get a kick out of it, because whatever the weather guy (or gal) says, we're pretty much going to stay the course. Or, if we're really keen on changing direction, it will probably be more dependent on what gets said in the first couple minutes of the broadcast.
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Bullpen's gonna bullpen.
I’m less optimistic about Masset than most, but more optimistic about Arredondo than most. On the average, I think it’ll work out alright.
#LeCure4LeCloser
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
oh yeah,
is Jerry Gil the former centerfielder Geronimo Gil? Or someone different?
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Nov 29, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
different, I believe
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
Different guy, although Jerry is a converted outfielder.
Jerry is the first player Wayne Krivsky acquired after becoming GM of the Reds. Krivsky picked him up in a trade with Arizona, sending RHP Abe Woody to the Diamondbacks.
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Nov 29, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
Abe Woody has to be one of the cooler names I've heard in a while.
It's never too early to learn that the government is a greedy piglet that suckles on a taxpayer's teet until they have sore, chapped nipples. I'm gonna need a different metaphor to give this nine year old. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Nov 29, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
Royals got Broxton?
I wonder what they’ll do with the rapidly declining Soria?
This thread, by the way, will become my personal blog at this rate.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
it's a noggin scratcher for sure
Now if they try to trade Soria they’ll get even less for him.
Sweet blog, Cy!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 29, 2011 10:48 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I'd link to it, but my smart phone is dumb
Over at MLBTR, they cite mini Kenny Rosenthal taking a poo on Alonso and making our ownership group sound like a disjointed band of fools @ the Votto Window™.
Anyone else think Rosenthal looks like Gus Johnson…both of whom look like the N64 version of Yoshi?
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 29, 2011 10:56 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
sooner or later, everyone comes around to 'tHan's way of thinking. old bob needs to wise up!
Votto is affordable to the Reds this season at $9.5 million, but his salary balloons to $17 million in 2013. The Reds probably should take the hint — Votto’s three-year deal covers only his arbitration years; he did not give up a single year of free agency.
"Reds should probably take the hint"
that what? That players only have 6 years of team control? I’m not wholly sure what the subterfuge is here.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Nov 29, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
is 'tHan's line of thinking to trade Votto after the 2012 season?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 29, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
no
i’ve said since they didn’t buy out any of his free agency years that they should trade him after the 2011 season
if that means Cain gets to pitch with Stubbs in CF, Yonder at 1B, and BP at 2B
I could be cool with that.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 29, 2011 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
still time for that
if they do, is ’tHan’s line of thinking that they should piss away money to sign BP long-term to an Arroyo-esque contract?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 29, 2011 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
Reds need payroll to be spent on arms and high obp position players
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
nevagonnafuckin'happen
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 1, 2011 12:36 AM EST up reply actions
The article is logically flawed on its face.
His argument is that the Reds are foolish to trade Alonso because they won’t be able to keep Votto. Yet he argues that the Reds won’t be able to get much for Alonso because his talent is so lacking on the defensive side, even at first base. Oh, and he also points out that first basemen are relatively easy to come by.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Nov 29, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
Rosenthal is a lipstick wearing buffoon
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
by -ManBearPig on Nov 29, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
(insert mom joke here, gather recs)
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
(insert dad joke here, garner even more recs)
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
A voted the same, because I think it will be a little worse if Chapman is starting and a little better if he's not
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I voted same as well
I don’t see anyone in thet bullpen performing significantly better than last year, possible exception of Arredondo. But someone else (looking at LeCure and Bray) will probably perform worse.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
garlic?
mashed? what kind?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 29, 2011 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
there's a Cheech and Chong joke here somewhere....
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 1, 2011 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
I voted the same
because relief pitching is a crap shoot. I figure the chances are the same for a little better and a little worse, so I split the difference.
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