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Reconciling Disappointment, Part 5

 

Position: First Base

2011 Innings breakdown: Joey Votto - 97%

                                            Yonder Alonso - 1%

                                            Miguel Cairo - 1%

                                            Todd Frazier - 1%

                                            Ramon Hernandez - 1%

2011 Composite batting line (over 650 PA):

AB

R

H

2B

3B

HR

RBI

SB

CS

BB

SO

BA

OBP

SLG

OPS

543

91

167

36

3

26

93

7

5

98

117

.308

.414

.529

.943

BABIP

Contact Rate

Walk Rate

Batting Eye

SBO

RC/G

.353

78.5%

15.1%

0.84

6.2%

7.48

2011 Composite NL average first baseman batting line (over 650 PA):

AB

R

H

2B

3B

HR

RBI

SB

CS

BB

SO

BA

OBP

SLG

OPS

571

75

154

33

2

22

87

4

2

67

121

.270

.350

.451

.801

BABIP

Contact Rate

Walk Rate

Batting Eye

SBO

RC/G

.309

78.7%

10.3%

0.55

3.5%

5.37

2012 Contract status:

Votto - signed through 2013

Alonso - not yet arbitration eligible

Cairo - signed through 2012

Frazier - not yet arbitration eligible

Hernandez - free agent

Advanced minor league depth:

Neftali Soto - age 22, 909 OPS at AA, AAA

Daniel Dorn - age 26, 749 OPS at AAA

Chris Richburg - age 25, 741 OPS at A+

Relative win increase, 2011 vs. 2010: -1

Star-divide

Brief summary of 2011: Well, he was the NL MVP the year before.  Look, Votto is good.  Best player on the team, in fact; and there will as a rule be some fluctuation from year to year.  The bat clearly took a small turn for the worse, even after accounting for a league-wide shortage in runs, while the leather was a bit flashier, and in all it would be tough to put any blame on the disappointing '11 on Votto.  For now, I don't much care about his free agency desires.  He's one of the best players the franchise has ever employed, and he's in his prime. 

Way too early knee-jerk outlook for 2012: It would appear that we've probably seen Votto's career year, which means we're already in the decline phase, but I'm willing to bet that his is a slow one.  There's now enough data to suggest that 2010 was the outlier in terms of home run power, which means that 30 is the standard, and 40's probably out of the question.  The newly found age-of-the-pitcher won't help things on that front.  Similarly, the video game numbers (i.e. OPS > 1000) were likely a one-time occurrence.  These are absolute numbers, however, and the relative ones are the ones that really matter.  A 150 OPS+ is absolutely in Votto's wheelhouse, for next year and the year after.  I like Joey Votto.

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Poll
First Base in 2012?
Way worse
0 votes
A little worse
8 votes
The same
96 votes
A little better
65 votes
Way better
15 votes

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already been discussed in another thread

mlb trade rumors isn’t reporting what was actually said.

chapman is still figured to be part of the rotation.

by 'tHan on Nov 23, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

you misread it

MLB Trade Rumor said the opposite: it’s Chapman as closer that’s been scrapped.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Nov 23, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not so sure Votto's best year is behind him

2011 was close to a carbon copy of the MVP season, minus a few dingers and a few BABIP points. I know that protection is pooh-poohed in saber circles but after seeing how he was pitched this year, I can’t help but think that he would greatly benefit from a rebounded Rolen, breakout Bruce, or some other strong and alliterative bat hitting behind him. By fangraphs he saw about as much in the zone, but his increased walk rate, decreased first-pitch strike rate, and decreased swing rate all support the observation that he saw fewer hittable pitches this year.

by ken on Nov 23, 2011 11:00 AM EST reply actions  

Mashing Mesoraco? Awesome Alonso?

Frightening Francisco?

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Nov 23, 2011 11:03 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Phantastic Phillips

Molecular gastronomy can take a hike as far as I'm concerned.

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Nov 23, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Not to go all "armchair psychologist", but Lozano sounds like a classic sociopath

That article reads like a classic case study.

I also like how Deadspin includes a picture of a woman with her face and hoo-ha “blacked out”, and when you click the photo, it reveals the hoo-ha while leaving the face covered.

Molecular gastronomy can take a hike as far as I'm concerned.

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Nov 23, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

It's probably because her pussy is easier on the eyes

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Nov 23, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm just glad

that “blacked out” Votto photos weren’t in the envelopes.

by Joe Nolan's Neckbeard on Nov 23, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh. Well. That's....something.

Probably the Deadspinniest article to ever Deadspin.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Nov 23, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

So.....does the new labor deal help the Reds?

I figure that banning the teams in the top 15 markets from receiving revenue sharing must help the Reds.

Not sure about the other points, but I do like the fact that they have cracked open the door to trading draft picks, and they are at least thinking about a worldwide draft.

Molecular gastronomy can take a hike as far as I'm concerned.

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Nov 23, 2011 11:06 AM EST reply actions  

Yep

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Nov 23, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

It helps us right now, it could hurt us later.

We get compensation for Cordero and Hernandez, and teams won’t lose anything for signing them. Big plus.

The thing that hurts is the draft cap. We need to be able to sign prospects over slot, but we won’t be able to do that anymore. It really hurts teams like the Pirates, who have been really aggressive in the draft the last few years.

A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.

by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Nov 23, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

However, won't the teams with better records have smaller bonus pools?

Granted, big-money teams can spend more than their pool (which smaller teams may not be able to do), but if they go more than 5% over they lose draft picks to the small market teams – who will have the option of either using them or trading them.

The draft-pick loss thing could be a good tool for forcing teams to stay within their bonus pool, which should help bad teams (with large pools). The teams that get hurt the most would seem to be small market teams (who cannot afford free agents) with good records (and small bonus pools). The Rays could get killed by this arrangement.

Molecular gastronomy can take a hike as far as I'm concerned.

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Nov 23, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

The last part is key

This will seriously hinder small market teams from competing consistently.

Also, the assumption is that big market teams are spending a lot on the draft/internationally, but really it’s overwhelmingly poorer teams that are doing so. It’s the only arena they can compete in financially, but now that’s largely lost.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Nov 23, 2011 11:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

The point of a draft, to begin with, is to help bad teams get better

It seems that the new rules are better designed for doing that – the advantage in both draft position and funding goes to the worst teams.

In baseball, the draft has sort of morphed into “help the teams willing to invest extra money get better”. While this might have been better for the small-market teams, it wasn’t meant to be the intent of the draft, which is why I think they want these new rules.

That said, they need better rules to level the free-agent playing field. It seems like the new contract will allow more revenue-sharing to flow down to the small markets, while also forcing those teams to spend it on talent, which are both good things. Still, without some kind of ceiling on player salaries (or some other mechanism), small teams are still going to be priced out of the top-level free agent market.

Molecular gastronomy can take a hike as far as I'm concerned.

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Nov 23, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

And at the same time if MLB did not do anything the draft and international free agents would be less of an advantage to small market teams

The market for top end and international players was spinning out of control. Look at the Strasberg, Harper, and Chapman deals. While signing Chapman was good for the Reds, he was hardly a low budget steal, instead the Reds took a huge gamble on a guy who never pitched in America before.

Strasberg received a ridiculous contract and immediately had TJS. The Nationals lost the advantage of an in house developed player because Strasberg was really expensive.

I also think not allowing MLB contracts to be given to newly drafted players is a good thing, and it may even be a good thing for a few players. MLB contracts to new professionals forced teams to have to develop players through the minors based not on when they are ready to be promoted, but rather on making sure they are in the major leagues before their options run out, and it can also mean that a team does not have the luxury to move an almost ready player back and forth between AAA and MLB in the early portion of his career.

"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone

by Yossarian22 on Nov 23, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not so sure

A big market team that selects a signability guy towards the end of the first round would seem to be the biggest loser. Detroit taking Rick Porcello comes to mind. The Pirates have been drafting at the top of the first round. I think the players they’ve picked will still be there under the new system. You can make an argument that the uber-toolsy types will now be more likely to play another sport, or to go to college. I don’t buy it. They’re still going to get substantial signing bonuses if they enter the baseball draft, it will now just be somewhat less substantial.

by ken on Nov 23, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

SBN's summary of the new CBA is thorough

This is an interesting part I hadn’t heard about:

Prior to each draft, there will be a “Competitive Balance Lottery” that distributes six extra draft picks to teams with low revenues and/or low winning percentages in the previous season.

Also, BP will need to be briefed on the new social media policy.

by ken on Nov 23, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I have to say, I like the new compensation system

The Elias free agent rankings were stupid, and unfair both to players and teams. I seem to remember the Reds losing a 1st-round pick one year because they signed a piece of crap backup catcher (Damon Berryhill?).

The new rules will allow for compensation only if the team losing the free agent a) Has the player all season and b) is willing to offer said player a hefty 1-year contract. So, teams will still get compensation for losing guys like Pujols.

Molecular gastronomy can take a hike as far as I'm concerned.

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Nov 23, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

looks like there's a consensus for "the same"

I concur. Joey has been pretty consistent, and we can expect that to continue. He’s so good it’s kinda crazy to expect him to improve a lot, but I don’t see him falling off anytime soon, either.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Nov 23, 2011 12:31 PM EST reply actions  

But this line has less homers than Votto actually had.

I’m not sure how those numbers are created.

Oh, and JV led the league in 2B this year? I had no idea.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Nov 23, 2011 10:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Compulsive

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Nov 27, 2011 3:16 PM EST reply actions  

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