What happened to Drew Stubbs' power?
2011 was a very strange kind of disappointing year for Drew Stubbs. Strange because it was pretty good for being a bad year. bWAR says he was worth 2.9 wins and fWAR claims 2.6. That's a tick better than league-average, and all while making close to the league-minimum salary. Any saberist worth his or her salt will tell you that's the kind of value-added player you need to make up a championship-level supporting cast. It was a strange year because while he hit nearly identically to the year before, he hit considerably worse. Strange, because while he was far from the biggest problem during last year's failed NL Central title defense, he's one of the players most expected to improve next season. Strange, because I still have no idea what the hell happened to him.
Well, that's not precisely true. We know what happened to him. The Light Tower Power was more like Light Beer Power. The real question, though, is why. Here's a look at some of his relevant digits over the past few years (via FanGraphs):
| Drew Stubbs | AVG | OBP | SLG | ISO | BB% | K% | wOBA | BABIP |
| 2009 | .267 | .323 | .439 | .172 | 7.7 | 25.0 | .335 | .325 |
| 2010 | .255 | .329 | .444 | .189 | 9.4 | 28.8 | .345 | .330 |
| 2011 | .243 | .321 | .364 | .121 | 9.3 | 30.1 | .314 | .343 |
It's important to remember that 2009 was his rookie year and he only saw 196 PAs, but the numbers are included to show continuity. His truncated '09 season and his '10 season were similar in virtually every aspect. It's his '11 season that stands out as different, but really in only one aspect: his diminished power. His BABIP actually got better and his walk rate and his on-base percentage stayed the same. But somehow the power numbers fell off quite a bit. His slugging dropped a full 80 points and his ISO 68 points. Sure, his K rate has increased every year, but that's been offset to a great extent by an increase in walks. His batting average has suffered because of it, but his OBP has remained steady. He's still making roughly the same number of outs, but more are coming via the strikeout and fewer via the pop up or ground out. Also, check this: Kid's a speed demon, yeah? He's only grounded into nine double plays in his 1460 career PAs. But you know what's even more impressive, in the opposite way? He's only hit 10 triples.
So the power fell off precipitously. Is it because pitchers have figured him out? If you consider that '10 was his first full season in the bigs, perhaps the power outage can be attributed to a sophomore slump caused by pitchers figuring out and exploiting his weaknesses. That's a pretty oft-used narrative to explain stuff like this, isn't it? Here's some pitch type data I found kind of interesting:
| Pitch Type Stuff | FB% | wFB | SL% | wSL |
| 2010 | 57.8% | -2.1 | 18.2% | 14.8 |
| 2011 | 58.4% | 9.3 | 17.1% | -5.2 |
Stubbs sees significantly more fastballs and sliders than anything else. About 3/4 of the pitches he sees are either fastballs or sliders. I didn't include any other pitch types because they didn't seem significant. He doesn't see many of them and there was no significant change from one year to the next in that data. But as you can see, the way pitchers pitched him and what he did with these pitches changed pretty significantly from '10 to '11. He feasted on sliders and had some slight issues with the fastball in 2010, but the script was flipped in 2011. And even more interesting is that pitchers actually fed him more fastballs and fewer sliders in 2011 compared to 2010. So perhaps Stubbs actually adjusted to the league's adjustments? Or perhaps this is all too small a sample size to make anything of. Either way, it doesn't help answer our original question.
Could it be a batted ball issue? Here's some more numbers:
| Batted Ball Data | GB% | LD% | FB% | HR/FB |
| 2009 | 42.2 | 21.1 | 36.7 | 17.0 |
| 2010 | 44.0 | 15.5 | 40.5 | 15.9 |
| 2011 | 47.2 | 19.5 | 33.2 | 11.5 |
There is some intriguing stuff going on here, but it's a bit conflicting. Notice the drop in FB% and HR/FB. So not only did he hit fewer fly balls, but fewer of those fly balls that he did manage to hit ended up over the fence. This goes a good ways to explain how he went from hitting 22 home runs in 583 PAs in 2010 to hitting only 15 homers in 681 PAs last season. But then again, check out the line drive %. His LD% went up a full four points over '10, and we all know that line drives turn into hits (and more extra-base hits) far more often than fly balls do. So theoretically, that should serve to offset the drop in home runs at least a little bit, right?
Theoretically, yes. But even Communism works in theory. Here are even more numbers:
| Hit Types | 1B | 2B | 3B | HR | Total Hits |
| 2010 | 84 | 19 | 6 | 22 | 131 |
| 2011 | 107 | 22 | 3 | 15 |
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So as you can see, while he traded off some fly balls for line drives, those fly ball home runs in '10 became line drive singles in '11. I would have expected more of those line drives to turn into doubles and triples, especially considering Stubbs' speed, but they just didn't. It seems possible that he hit more solid line drives but many of them dropped in front of the outfielders rather than finding the gaps. I have no way of verifying this (hit f/x is going to kick some ass, isn't it?), but it makes sense to me. That's the kind of bad luck that won't show up in BABIP.
So what does this mean for Drew Stubbs next year? I have no clue.
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Hit .243 with .343 BABIP
Wow.
This is why strikeouts are worse than other outs.
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Nov 22, 2011 1:35 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
they are when you are as fast as Drew Stubbs is
"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone
Just imagine what he could do if he cut the K's in half
He would be the leadoff hitter we always wanted.
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Nov 22, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
This really is a myth
If he changed his approach enough to K half as much, who is to say he wouldn’t turn into Willy Taveras? If it was so easy to cut the Ks that much without affecting anything else, everyone would do it.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
by nycredsfan on Nov 22, 2011 7:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If Stubbs can change his swing (which is a huge if)
Stubbs does not swing at every pitch like Taveras and Stubbs, unlike Tavaras, can hit the ball out of the infield.
"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone
But if he changes his swing, maybe his power completely disappears
This is true for any player, but it’s ironic that the one player we constantly harp on it over—Mr. Stuubs—tried to do this in AAA. They tried to make him a lead off hitter and he kind of sucked at it. I don’t know why we think it would suddenly work in the bigs.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
by nycredsfan on Nov 22, 2011 7:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think the thing that frustrates us is we think he has the talent to be better
not to sound all HLM if Stubbs were a 6th round pick I think we would be less picky about him.
Also I think if Votto and Bruce swapped stats nobody would bitch about Votto opsing around .800, and Bruce being an MVP type of player.
Expectations, and falling short of expectations, causes people to sour on people.
"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone
Stubbs is an above average MLBer
So he’s already doing better than most 1st rounders. And given his scouting report and how he did in the minors, I’d say this is about what we could’ve expected.
The problem with our expectations is that we want him to be a top of the order hitter. If we accept him as a 6/7 hitter and elite CFer, we’d all just chill and let him be who he is.
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by nycredsfan on Nov 22, 2011 9:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
expectations are just premature disappointments
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Nov 23, 2011 8:13 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
A cynic's credo.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Nov 23, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
he's fine hitting lower in the order
problem is he just needs to hit, or his value continues to drop
we know who he is as a defender, but he really needs to turn it around in 2012 based on his shitty 2011
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 27, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
this is a great point, and there's no shame in sounding all me
we hope for great things out of Young Robert b/c he is not Tim Lincecum, and was our 1st Round Draft Pick of that year.
Chris Heisey was not a 1st Rounder, and perhaps could be a poor man’s Drew Stubbs, so we won’t have the same expectations of him and from him.
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 27, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
LD numbers are notoriously unreliable
I am not sure one way or another, but I wonder if 4% falls within the “margin of error” for LD classification. My gut tells me it’s not far off, and the LD% may not have actually changed all that much.
At any rate, the easy explanation is Stubbs just didn’t make as solid contact as he did in 2010. Lower HR/FB, lower ISO, fewer XBHs, fewer fly balls. It all points to that conclusion. Why his contact is worse is the question we really want to answer, IMO. The change in pitchers’ approach and his success on those pitches is interesting as a start.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
His contact rate sank, but his walk rate stayed the same
Anomalous bastard!
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Nov 22, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
I think I just figured out the problem.

A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Nov 22, 2011 1:41 PM EST reply actions
One thought is that he was pitched outside much more in 2011
In 2010 he saw more pitches in the zone (48%, versus 45% in 2011). He was able to turn on enough of those and pulled 17 of his HRs to left field or left-center. This past year he didn’t pull nearly as often, hitting only 7 HRs to the same area.
Part of it may be less fortunate matchups. He faced lefties fewer times in 2011 despite more total PAs. He got to face lefties about 20% of the time this past year, versus 32% in 2010. So he was less likely to see a southpaw’s slider left in his wheelhouse.
See, these are good numbers
ken to the rescue
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
did you have the exact same black cat, too?
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You're numbers were good for introducing the questions...
ken’s were just better for answering them.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
hmmm
He’s pretty bad with the outside pitches, at least if they aren’t belt-high.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
While I believe your numbers, those links both go to the 2011 chart
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
You can change the year in the top right corner
For some reason it won’t directly link to prior seasons.
despite there being no answers
thanks for this post Scrabs. It’s interesting (and baffling) to put all the data together to see what Stubbs’ deal was. I’m also curious to see what he does next year.
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
If his failure is due to improved scouting by opposing teams,
Isn’t that what a hitting coach is for? Making adjustments?
Does anyone know how Jacoby is regarded among hitting coaches? Does he suck? Or maybe the hitting coach doesn’t matter at all. You don’t hear nearly as much about them as their pitching counterparts. Why is that?
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Nov 22, 2011 4:03 PM EST reply actions
Cheap shot.
I wonder if he’s out there somewhere. Silently fuming. Cursing ’Creds with a bottle of Jack in one hand and a shotgun in the other.
I feel ya, brother.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Nov 22, 2011 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
he quit drinkin
i think that was why he was so cantankerous, from what he said I think he quit smoking due to bad lungs and was a recovering alcoholic. That can make anyone surly.
"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone
Not to mention the constant (and often warranted) provocation from you know who
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Nov 22, 2011 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously, stop pretending I'm the only person he ever had run-ins with
That dude drove everyone crazy, including himself.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
by nycredsfan on Nov 22, 2011 7:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
he had a fight with bubbafan once
and how can anyone not like a poster named bubba?
"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone
it's hard to be constantly expert'd
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 27, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
This sounds like you guys were snapping your fingers in an alley
And not talking trash on a blog, I find that hilarious..
I was always on your side nyc, switchblade in hand!
@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Nov 22, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
When you're with creds, you're with creds all the way
From your first cigarette to your last dying day…
Is there a mod so powerful he can ban himself?
by andromache on Nov 23, 2011 8:09 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
'mache, somewhere there's a place for us.
Peace, quiet, open air, and no terrible 35 year old shortstops.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
by nycredsfan on Nov 23, 2011 8:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well, I always got along with him swimmingly
I have no idea what you mean.
Molecular gastronomy can take a hike as far as I'm concerned.
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Nov 23, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
SHUT THE FUCK UP ASSHOLE
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Nov 23, 2011 7:22 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Could it be as simple as....
They tried to make him a leadoff hitter so he tried to hit like one. Less aggessiveness leading to more bad counts and more Ks. The higher BABIP the result of a few legged out grounders and couple off the end of the bat bloops. I have no nubers to back this up. Just guessing.
I agreed with this
He’s a different hitter at 6 or 7 than 1.
@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Nov 22, 2011 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
You need to actually hit the ball to make it go over the fence.
Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
I wish he would bunt home runs more often.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Nov 22, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
Awesome number crunching. Thanks dude.
I chalk it up to nothing more than "sometimes, shit seasons like this happen. I think he’ll bounce back and all, I’m not too worried as long as I’m not expecting him to be Vada Pinson out there.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
My favorite part is "Light Tower Power Outage"
Aaaaaaugggh, rolling blackouts!
Is there a mod so powerful he can ban himself?
Can I try something out with you guys?
It won’t take but a minute
I can? Great clears throat
Increasingly shitty jokes with ’91
What happened to Drew Stubbs’ power? I don’t know, but I saw Mike Leake looking shifty-eyed a few days ago
What happened to Drew Stubbs’ power? Hey, that’s what you get for partying with Bronson Arroyo before spring training
What happened to Drew Stubbs’ power? I guess we’re finally realizing the ramifications of letting Joe Morgan wander around naked in the Reds’ clubhouse
What happened to Drew Stubbs’ power? Paul Janish. Just, Paul Janish
Thank you
by DerekH91 on Nov 23, 2011 11:20 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
total unscientific proposal here...
What if he looked up and realized mid season that he was on pace to break the single season K record, and subsequently stopped swinging for the fences and started aiming do singles? Thatd be a double whammy…stuck in a slump AND trying a swing change!
Stubbs will be better next year for sure.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 25, 2011 10:26 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions

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