Reconciling Disappointment, Part 4
Position: Catcher
2011 Innings breakdown: Ryan Hanigan - 47%
Ramon Hernandez - 45%
Devin Mesoraco - 8%
2011 Composite batting line (over 650 PA):
|
AB |
R |
H |
2B |
3B |
HR |
RBI |
SB |
CS |
BB |
SO |
BA |
OBP |
SLG |
OPS |
|
583 |
57 |
156 |
21 |
0 |
19 |
69 |
0 |
0 |
58 |
79 |
.267 |
.339 |
.400 |
.740 |
|
BABIP |
Contact Rate |
Walk Rate |
Batting Eye |
SBO |
RC/G |
|
.282 |
86.5% |
8.9% |
0.74 |
0.0% |
4.53 |
2011 Composite NL average catcher batting line (over 650 PA):
|
AB |
R |
H |
2B |
3B |
HR |
RBI |
SB |
CS |
BB |
SO |
BA |
OBP |
SLG |
OPS |
|
581 |
61 |
145 |
28 |
2 |
16 |
69 |
3 |
2 |
56 |
123 |
.250 |
.320 |
.388 |
.708 |
|
BABIP |
Contact Rate |
Walk Rate |
Batting Eye |
SBO |
RC/G |
|
.292 |
78.8% |
8.5% |
0.45 |
3.0% |
4.10 |
2012 Contract status:
Hanigan - signed through 2013
Hernandez - free agent
Mesoraco - not yet arbitration eligible
Advanced minor league depth:
Yasmani Grandal - age 22, 901 OPS at A+, AA, AAA
James Skelton - age 25, 706 OPS at AA, AAA
Corky Miller - age 35, 652 OPS at AAA
Relative win increase, 2011 vs. 2010: -1
Brief summary of 2011: To the surprise of probably no one, 2010 was a career year for Ryan Hanigan, which means that the position stumbled a bit as things regressed to their natural order for 2011. Not a big deal in the grand scheme, especially since the Catcher of the Future made his MLB debut, while the Other Catcher of the Future broke through in Louisville. In comparing to the league cohort, the Reds receivers continue to be a net positive. With the bat, the positive value is basically contained in the ability to not strike out. Hanigan, especially, is punchless, but puts the ball in play and hits singles and draws walks. It's not worthless, certainly. What's really striking is that this group threw out 35% of all would-be base stealers this year, as compared to a league rate of 28%.
Way too early knee-jerk outlook for 2012: If the position is currently solid, it's soon to become spectacular, but probably not just yet. Hanigan's skill set is likely to be maintained, since it's dependent on strike zone judgment and contact ability. He'll be much of the same. There's a bit of a track record for high-profile catching prospects struggling a bit out of the gate, so I expect Mesoraco to be a tad worse than Hernandez v. 2011, but much better than Hernandez v. 2012, if that makes any sense. In Mesoraco's lackluster cup of coffee, 10% of his at-bats ended in extra base hits, which is about double Hanigan's rate. The prodigy will not keep a sub-200 BABIP forever, nor for long.
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I think it has to be better.
Hanigan didn’t have the best season last year, and I think Mez OPS’s .800.
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how many PAs do you think Mez gets to OPS that .800?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 27, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
hard to say, since we don't know who our catchers will be
but I voted a little worse. Hernanigans together were one of the best catchers in baseball last year. Doesn’t mean I think they could repeat it, but the better you are, the harder it is to improve.
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and yet
teh Fay, Marty, etc., think the Reds want to bring him back. And the Reds didn’t trade him at the deadline.
I also think the catcher situation is more up in the air than most, because it’s a position where the Reds have a lot of depth. If, as promised, they are going to improve the team via trade, it seems that one or more of the catchers are likely to go.
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I haven't seen anything from Fay or Sheldon any time recently where they think he'll be back
On the contrary, Fay has repeatedly stated he thinks Meso will be the OD starter.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
yeah, they think he'll be the OD starter
If Ramon stays, it means Hanigan is traded.
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That would be dumb. And I think Walt knows that.
In fact, Fay said just today he doesn’t think they’ll offer Ramon arb.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
then Walt
was really dumb not to have traded CMM at the deadline.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
This is also true. But 2 wrongs don't make a right.
/3rd grade’d
It feels so nice to be back to normal
Retard
(I figured I’d skip steps 3-12 and finish it off early)
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
twss
It feels so nice to be back to normal
by nycredsfan on Nov 22, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Woah woah woah
Go back and look at those threads. I think you’ll find pretty much everyone wanted CMM traded in July.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
yes everyone wanted him traded
but i was saying that they wouldn’t offer him arbitration.
everyone was trying to say it was ok he wasn’t traded because we’d get picks for him
c'mon
make sweeping generalizations!
they’re fun!
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 27, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
Woah woah woah
I think you’re stupid for other reasons.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Exactly
Hannigan is a fine back up for either Grandel or Meso, but Grandel and Meso are both too good to be on the same MLB roster for a long period of time.
"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone
Agreed
I’m seeing Hanny & the Mez for 2012. Probably a 50/50 split, with the Mez’s PT growing consistently as the year progresses.
"Reigning National League MVP Joey Votto"
(I just wanted to say that one more time while I still can.)
by the finest muffins on Nov 22, 2011 12:14 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
what time will the NL MVP be announced?
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MLB.com doesn't say, but yesterday's AL announcement was early afternoon, no?
by the finest muffins on Nov 22, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
hmm
WISN in Milwaukee says 1 pm. Which would be 2 pm in actual time. ;-)
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
all the awards so far have been announced at 2pm
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
I voted a little worse
If CMM is back, he’ll be significantly worse. If Mez splits time with Hanigan 50/50, he will perform slightly worse than CMM did last year.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
The new CBA makes it more likely the Reds offer CMM arb
since the signing team won’t have to surrender a pick for him. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if they offered him arb
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
I'd still be surprised. The Reds seem to be counting pennies at this point and are fairly risk averse.
I think it's still a definite no on Cordero
but Hernandez would at least be defensible. If they don’t, then what the hell, Walt, for not trading him at the deadline.
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
The latest update from the CBA is that
Both Cordero and Ramon will yield a comp pick, they dont have to offer arb, and the signing team won’t lose a pick. So, good news then, and it seems to make this discussion moot.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
by nycredsfan on Nov 22, 2011 5:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
oh really?
I thought they still had to offer arb in order to get the comp pick. Hooray!
Still probably should’ve traded Ramon at the deadline
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
from MLB Trade Rumors
Matt Capps, Francisco Cordero, Octavio Dotel, Ramon Hernandez and Darren Oliver were all Type A free agents under the Elias Rankings system, but they will now be treated as Type B free agents, the MLBPA announced. Teams won’t have to surrender draft picks to sign them, but the players’ former teams obtain a supplementary first round pick whether or not they offer arbitration tomorrow.
So the only reason to offer CMM arb is if they really want to keep him.
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