Trade Rumors: Jason Bartlett is available. Should we even care?
The Reds have been clear so far this off-season that they see Zack Cozart as the starting shortstop for next year. Baseball America recently called him the safest bet in the Reds' system to be a successful major league baseball player, but he only saw 38 PAs last year before needing elbow surgery. He's a good prospect to be sure, and I'm perfectly comfortable with him as the starter next year. But the Reds don't have anyone else to play SS in case he fails or isn't fully recovered from surgery. They are most assuredly looking for a solid veteran backup much like Orlando Cabrera or Edgar Renteria. Paul Janish constitutes good depth in case of a real emergency, but I'm not totally comfortable with him as the primary backup. And I don't think the Reds are either.
So that means the Reds are in the market for a decent and inexpensive player who can serve as Cozart's caddy and mentor or, if worse comes to worse, fill in as the starter. This is a familiar refrain, yeah? They've been looking for a guy like this for what seems like forever. They got Cabrera just before the '10 season started and though he served as the starter for much of the season, he wasn't all that good. They got Renteria just before the '11 season and though he served as the starter for about half the season, he wasn't all that good. And they were probably the best available options at the time.
The point is, good shortstop help is hard to find. There is some real talent at the position right now all around baseball, but there is a sharp division between the haves and the have-nots. Hopefully Cozart can be The One to finally fill the Barry Larkin-shaped void to the left of the 2-sack, but if he ain't, the Reds need a fall back plan.
So that leads us to the title character of this piece, Jason Bartlett. There was much debate around here this time last year when he was put on the trade block by the Rays. He eventually ended up in San Diego where the Padres didn't play well and aren't looking to do so any time soon. So Bartlett, who will make $5.5 mil next year, is being shopped around. The Padres are looking to move either Bartlett or his keystone mate Orlando Hudson due to their exorbitant salaries (read: more than the league-minimum). The question, of course, is whether or not the Reds should take a look.
First, let's look at Bartlett's numbers. He has a career .319 wOBA, which is just a shade below league average. It's worth noting though that that number is inflated by an impressive '09 campaign in which he posted a .389 wOBA. Realistically, we probably shouldn't expect much better than his James projection of .304. His defensive numbers have been on a distinct downward trend his entire career. He's gone from a plus SS to an average SS to a minus SS over the past six years or so. So to sum it up, given a full season of playing time, he's probably a 1-2 WAR player at best. And odds are better-than-slim that he struggles to keep his head above the replacement line.
That's probably a decent value for the money, and I suspect the Padres wouldn't balk at letting him go for little more than the salary relief. A C-grade prospect is probably all it would take. If the Reds really wanted him though, they might coax the Padres into taking a better prospect in exchange for eating some the salary. But again, it seems dumping the cash is their top priority. So it's probably a no-go for the Reds as that $5.5 mil is definitely better spent on pitching or a left fielder or anything else, really. Also worth mentioning is the fact that Dusty Baker might be keen to see him as the starter and end up Janishing Cozart to the bench for weeks at a time. So it's just not a good fit all around.
A front-line pitcher should be the top priority, and after that, bullpen help. Then probably a left fielder. Back up shortstop is a low priority this off-season, though it does need to be addressed. Just not for the price of a Jason Bartlett.
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don't want no scrubs!
Non tender Janish and sign him to a Minor league deal if possible. Roll with Cozy with Cairo and Frazier as backup options, and know you can call up Janish in the case of injury.
Yeah, I know that won’t happen, so let’s get ready for Tejada/OCab/Betancourt. At least Walt’s predictable.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 18, 2011 2:01 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
I agree with every word of this, except for one crazy thing.
The Brewers are apparently going to keep Yuni as their SS. Seriously.
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good on ya, Brew Crew!
Better for us!
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 18, 2011 2:41 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
buckets!
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 18, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly, I'm OK with Janish as the backup
he’s versatile, and he’s a plus defender. Lots of guys have made careers out of that. He’s a LIDR and occasional spot starter against a shitty #5 starter, and he can spell Rolen/END, BP, and Cozart. He’s a known quantity, and he’ll make just about league minimum. I don’t see the problem, and I don’t see the need to bring in a veteran backup who would almost certainly demand 7 figures. It’s just not worth it.
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
The problem with standing pat with Janish as the backup
is that there isn’t any depth behind him. After Janish, I think it’s Negron and then probably Didi. They need another shortstop if for nothing else than org depth, and if you gotta get one you might as make it a decent one. I like Ramon Santiago. He’s probably cheap enough and good enough.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 18, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
Right
And while I don’t think it’s possible that Janish will suck as much as did at the plate last year, I’m not exactly itching to find out neither.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 18, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
A couple hundred PAs with plus defense from the backup SS won't be a problem
It’s a good point about depth, but I wonder how many other organizations actually have two credible starters at short. Half the teams in our division don’t even have one.
Yeah, I think the depth problem is overblown
There’s Cairo, Frazier, Valaika, Negron, and DiDi.
While all of those except DiDi might suck at SS, how often are they really going to play there? And how many orgs have a legit true SS 3rd and 4th on the depth chart? Most of those guys would do fine in a pinch. Plus, if there was a major injury or 2, cheap UT infielders are almost always available mid- season.
The team doesn’t need to spend any real money or prospects on a SS this offseason.
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by nycredsfan on Nov 18, 2011 3:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm not thrilled with this line of reasoning
It was alright when the Reds needed to improve, but the key now isn’t to keep up with those other teams, its to beat the everliving piss out of those other teams.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Which is fine
But the Reds really can’t do much in regards to SS. Reyes is obviously out of their price range, and I’d be surprised if the Marlins did trade Hanley. I think you roll with Cozart to start the season, and hope that you don’t need Janish for much more than defensive replacement. Even if they do, it’s not gonna make or break the season.
Sure, but
Getting a sweet new back- up SS isn’t really the key to success, and it distracts resources from getting pieces that will help with the ever-living piss beating.
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by nycredsfan on Nov 18, 2011 5:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
exactly
Walt should be thinking about bigger things than who is going to back up Cozart.
He should be thinking of a rotation that includes
Ace
Cueto
Jurjens
Leake
Arroyo
"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone
I think even the most optimistic fan of Chapman
Knows he’s not going to start the season in the majors.
I'm pretty confident he will, actually
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 18, 2011 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
You think?
It’s not a slam on his abilities, it’s just that he hasn’t started multiple games in 2 years. I don’t know if spring training will be enough to prepare him
I think he should be fine
and I think the Reds are intent on pushing him. As long as they stretch his arm out properly in ST I don’t see anything to worry about. I don’t think they would announce that he is being converted back unless they were confident he could do it in the bigs.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 18, 2011 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
I hope Walt is hoping for Chapman to be a useful starter rather than planning on it
Chapman could be a useful productive big league starting pitcher next year, having the ability to throw in the high 90s and low 100s can help a guy who is a bit rough around the edges.
But I think a rotation that is:
Cueto
Leake
Bailey
Arroyo
Chapman/Wood/Volquez
will be asking for trouble. Expecting the same guys who failed last year to succeed this year is a problem, especially considering that outside of Chapman, none of them are so young you think that they still have a lot of steps left to take.
"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone
or the jch ranking
Ace
JJ
Cueto
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 19, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd!
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 19, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Arroyo and his contract are the gift that keeps on giving
just like I bet he gives all his females companions some form of VD
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 19, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
I think in that case
the argument goes that we can just trade for a guy like Bartlett mid-season. But only if we have to.
Kinda like what the Giants did last year when their young catching prospect suddenly couldn’t make a go of it and they were stuck with JanishCatchers playing full-time.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 18, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
/thumbs nose
I’m in favor of getting some backup right now. I think a guy like Ramon Santiago would do just fine and he shouldn’t cost more than the $2 mil we gave Dumperia last year.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 18, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
I think the real problem
is that Cozart may not be a credible starter at short. The Reds don’t know. I think once he’s established – if that happens – the need for a veteran backup will fade, and the Reds would be fine with a Janish-like backup.
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Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
The original said Bartlett
so I’ll stick with it.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 18, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
agreed
And it does kind of show us the problem the Reds have at SS. Getting a halfway decent one is too expensive for a backup player, and he probably wouldn’t be a backup for long. OTOH, we haven’t been well-served by signing cheap players past their sell-by date, either.
I think the Reds will sign another veteran SS, but it will be at a cost similar to what Renteria got – which is much less than Bartlett’s making.
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Huh. Interesting.
Reds added the following players to the 40 man today, protecting them from the Rule 5 draft.
DiDi Gregorius, Kyle Lotzkar, Donald Lutz, Henry Rodriguez, Neftali Soto, and Pedro Villareal.
Without looking, it doesn’t seem like all of those guys would have been eligible for the draft. Also, 3 of them have never played above A+ ball and don’t seem like risks to be drafted. Also, the 40 man roster is now full.
What is going on?
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Who cares, Soto is ours
no one will be in control of his powers except us!
Cingrani for 2012 Closer!
This is weird as hell
It seems like it has to be a CBA change. I wonder if it’s a change in eligibility, rules for teams drafting players or both.
Gregorius was signed at 18 in ‘08 so he shouldn’t be eligible yet.
Lotzkar is probably eligible, but he shouldn’t be at risk to be takien in the MLB stage since he hasn’t played above A ball and has been injured.
Lutz is eligible, but ditto.
H-Rod and Soto are eligible and probably both should be added, though H-Rod hasn’t played above AA.
Villareal doesn’t seem like he’s eligible.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Nov 18, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
whoah
I think maybe he is eligible.
Either that, or the Baseball Cube is screwed up.
It says he was drafted in 2008, then somehow played in college, then resumed his pro baseball career. Not sure how that could be. But he was apparently drafted in 2008 at age 20, so is eligible for Rule 5.
That leaves only Didi.
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by ken on Nov 18, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
This just reinforces my belief that by April, we're either going to be thinking Walt is a genius or a moron
There is no middle ground.
/cue 80s power ballad.
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this would be much better with a full on Rocky montage
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 19, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
so, so,
sooooo obligatory’d.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 19, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
can this be the official motto for Red Reporter?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 19, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
I expect Cozart to have a season that looks a lot like Bartlett's season in 2012
I would love to bring Bartlett into the organization, but $5.5 million for a platoon guy is too much, unfortunately.
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God NO!!
Bartlett has a career OPS+ of 92 (76 in 2011), and his career defensive WAR is in the negative. As bad as Paul Janish is offensively, his defense is so good his WAR is in the positive for his career (and broke even in 2011, in spite of having an OPS+ of 59). About the only thing that Bartlett does of note is steal bases, but he’s contracted to make $5.5 million in 2012, in spite of the fact his WAR for ’11 is barely in the positive. But for one great season that JB had in Tampa Bay, he would be a utility player. Why in the world would you want to waste money on someone like that, who is three years older than Janish and going to cost you much more to play? Pass.
by tonywf on Nov 19, 2011 10:10 PM EST reply actions 1 recs

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