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Reconciling Disappointment, Part 2

Position: Left Field

2011 Innings breakdown: Jonny Gomes - 28%

                                            Chris Heisey - 27%

                                            Fred Lewis - 22%

                                            Dave Sappelt - 13%

                                            Yonder Alonso - 8%

                                            Jeremy Hermida - 2%

                                            Todd Frazier - 1%

2011 Composite batting line (over 650 PA):

AB

R

H

2B

3B

HR

RBI

SB

CS

BB

SO

BA

OBP

SLG

OPS

568

75

136

23

0

23

76

9

7

64

150

.239

.322

.404

.726

BABIP

Contact Rate

Walk Rate

Batting Eye

SBO

RC/G

.285

73.7%

9.8%

0.43

10.2%

4.32

2011 Composite NL average left field batting line (over 650 PA):

AB

R

H

2B

3B

HR

RBI

SB

CS

BB

SO

BA

OBP

SLG

OPS

583

76

151

30

4

19

75

14

5

56

124

.259

.328

.421

.748

BABIP

Contact Rate

Walk Rate

Batting Eye

SBO

RC/G

.301

78.8%

8.7%

0.45

12.0%

4.63

2012 Contract status:

Gomes - with Washington

Heisey - not yet arbitration eligible

Lewis - free agent (arbitration eligible, 2nd year)

Sappelt - not yet arbitration eligible

Alonso - not yet arbitration eligible

Hermida - with San Diego

Frazier - not yet arbitration eligible

Advanced minor league depth:

Josh Fellhauer - age 23, 738 OPS at A+, AA

David Cook - age 29, 744 OPS at AA, AAA

Relative win increase, 2011 vs. 2010: +0

Star-divide

Brief summary of 2011: On a position-by-position basis, it is arguable that left field presents the greatest relative deficiency for the Reds, as compared to their divisional overlords.  Even the starting pitching, forever a source of regional shame, shows occasional promise from time to time.  Are there any future stars in this motley group?  Perhaps (perhaps) Alonso can one day compete with Matt Holliday or Ryan Braun with the bat, but he is very much the proverbial square peg on defense.  Heisey provides value for the money, ranking 4th in RC/G for those hitters with at least 100 PA, but has a very odd habit of falling apart when the brass appears ready to hand him a full time job.  The recap, then, is a season of turmoil, shaking out to be pretty much the same as it has been.

Way too early knee-jerk outlook for 2012: I'm done, for now, projecting brash moves out of this front office.  The players most likely to be available in LF for 2012 are Chris Heisey and Yonder Alonso.  One hits right-handed, plays strong defense, and is entering his age-27 season.  The other hits left-handed, has an excellent prospect pedigree, and is obviously ready to hit at this level.  There is a chance that one of the two breaks out in an exciting way in 2012.  Playing both at the beginning in some sort of modified platoon maximizes the opportunity for one of them to make the leap, and also adds a small likelihood that both do so together, as some sort of hybrid superhero in the Voltron vein.  There's also some significant chance that the position is badly mismanaged and neither player lives up to his potential in this or future seasons.

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Poll
Left Field in 2012?
Way worse
13 votes
A little worse
16 votes
The same
29 votes
A little better
158 votes
Way better
65 votes

281 votes | Poll has closed

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I voted "way better"

under the logic of “one of these 3 things will happen”
-Alonso will start 130 games in LF and hit huge
-The Reds will pick up a left fielder who will hit huge
-The Reds will trade Alonso for a great SP and I will fully admit that I’m wrong when I’m watching the 95-win Reds in October.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Nov 18, 2011 10:16 AM EST reply actions  

Or

The Reds will trade for Carlos Quentin and he will be a disappointment, but still a damn sight better than Jonny Gomes.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 18, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I voted "little better"

I think Alonso might stick in LF, and also that LF is the most likely place for the Reds to upgrade. But I also think LF wasn’t really that terrible, so there’s less room for a big improvement.

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by BubbaFan on Nov 18, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, .726 OPS vs. .748 league average. Not so terrible.

That doesn’t mean there isn’t room for big improvement though. I think a smart Alonso/Heisey platoon should be able to easily surpass that.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Nov 18, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't be surprised if one of those guys could surpass that playing full time

though I don’t advocate it unless it means the other has been made part of a package for an ace.

#sameoldsong&dance

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Nov 18, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess I'm grading on a curve

I’m reserving “way better” for when we replace Paul Janish with Jose Reyes.

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by BubbaFan on Nov 18, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I just hope Dusty doesn't have his way

/Dusty tells Walt “We need a leadoff hitter”
//Walt asks Dusty who he wants
///Heisey and Boxy traded for Juan Pierre

Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun

@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Nov 18, 2011 10:23 AM EST reply actions  

Pierre is a FA... we wouldn't have to make a trade.

But, please God no… please no Juan Pierre.

It's never too early to learn that the government is a greedy piglet that suckles on a taxpayer's teet until they have sore, chapped nipples. I'm gonna need a different metaphor to give this nine year old. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Nov 18, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I really don't think BP is a true "leadoff hitter", whatever that means

But I think his little second half surge hitting there convinced Dusty he’s the leadoff man.

Which is fine with me, because he’s going to hit in the top 4 anyway, I’d much rather have him at leadoff that 4th, and that means Walt won’t go get the next CoPat/TVirus.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Nov 18, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think he is a true leadoff hitter either.

But, we really don’t have any other in house options.

It's never too early to learn that the government is a greedy piglet that suckles on a taxpayer's teet until they have sore, chapped nipples. I'm gonna need a different metaphor to give this nine year old. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Nov 18, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah, he's batting #1 or #2

and #1 means no more GIBPs. I’d love for Rolen to hit #2, but I’m not sure if the Reds are clever enough to do that.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Nov 18, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Rolen or Alonso.

But you’re right. Neither will happen.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Nov 18, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Alonso would be best suited for #2.

I think this would be our ideal lineup.

Phillips
Alonso
Votto
Bruce
Mez
Rolen
Cozart
Stubbs

It's never too early to learn that the government is a greedy piglet that suckles on a taxpayer's teet until they have sore, chapped nipples. I'm gonna need a different metaphor to give this nine year old. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Nov 18, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not necessarily a knifey-spooney guy

But 3 lefties in a row isn’t a great idea.

A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.

by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Nov 18, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

It has never really bothered me.

Charlie Manuel does it the same way. Plus Votto hits lefties well, and Bruce is no slouch either.

It's never too early to learn that the government is a greedy piglet that suckles on a taxpayer's teet until they have sore, chapped nipples. I'm gonna need a different metaphor to give this nine year old. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Nov 18, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

It's fine when 2 of them hit lefties just fine.

Also, I’ve never understood not putting lefties together because of 1 potential situation in the 7th or 8th inning, when you guarantee the starter will have to face that difficult stretch at least twice.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Nov 18, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I always feel it is better to worry about beating the starter.

You can worry about what they will do with the bullpen later.

It's never too early to learn that the government is a greedy piglet that suckles on a taxpayer's teet until they have sore, chapped nipples. I'm gonna need a different metaphor to give this nine year old. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Nov 18, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Bruce's .233 against lefties is good?

Alonso hasn’t hit lefties well, either.

Against a LOOGY we’d be screwed.

Gotta break up the lefties.

A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.

by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Nov 18, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Jay Bruce has been pretty good against lefties the past two seasons.

2010: .899 OPS
2011: .804 OPS

He isn’t a slouch.

It's never too early to learn that the government is a greedy piglet that suckles on a taxpayer's teet until they have sore, chapped nipples. I'm gonna need a different metaphor to give this nine year old. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Nov 18, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

True.

Still, 3 lefties is upsetting. And a guy who runs like a catcher shouldn’t hit 2nd.

How many times do you think Yonder has bunted in his life. Twice? Thrice?

A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.

by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Nov 18, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd rather get away from bunting with the #2 guy.

I also don’t think footspeed is a big factor for the #2 guy. I’d rather him have good bat control and a high OBP. I want him on base for the middle of the order.

It's never too early to learn that the government is a greedy piglet that suckles on a taxpayer's teet until they have sore, chapped nipples. I'm gonna need a different metaphor to give this nine year old. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Nov 18, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, what you'd rather and what's gonna happen are two something something whatever

We still play in the NL and Dusty is still our manager.

A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.

by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Nov 18, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh, I know.

I’m not talking about what the Reds will do. I’m talking about what I would do. This is what the Reds will do.

Phillips
Cozart
Votto
Rolen
Bruce
Alonso
Mez
Stubbs.

It's never too early to learn that the government is a greedy piglet that suckles on a taxpayer's teet until they have sore, chapped nipples. I'm gonna need a different metaphor to give this nine year old. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Nov 18, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

this argument has reminded me:

the space key is your friends, people. I imagine both of you pronounce your handles like a Mississippian auctioneer.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Nov 18, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

The space key is for noobs.

It's never too early to learn that the government is a greedy piglet that suckles on a taxpayer's teet until they have sore, chapped nipples. I'm gonna need a different metaphor to give this nine year old. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Nov 18, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

This is true, but aren't we talking about what we'd rather?

That’s kinda the whole point of this discussion.

And what we’d rather is have Alonso/Votto/Bruce 2-4.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Nov 18, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

My ideal lineup (if Meso is who we hope he is)

vs RHP

Phillips
Alonso
Votto
Mesoraco
Bruce
Francisco (safe bet is he will appear in more games than Rolen this year)
Stubbs
Cozart

vs LHP

Phillips
Heisey
Votto
Bruce
Mesoraco
Stubbs
Francisco
Cozart

This is dependent on Mesoraco, who’s very difficult to project. Best case, cleanup hitter. Worst case, #6 hitter and Bruce cleans up, which I don’t think is the best spot for him. Prefer to keep him in the 5 spot.

Of course, this could be moot. My guess is Alonso has a less than 50% probability of being on the team on opening day. Hopefully this would mean good news for us. If that happens, I’m fine with having Heisey play ever day until he proves he can’t.

A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.

by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Nov 18, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Oops. Messed that up.

vs LHP, Meso and Bruce would still be 4 and 5, respectively.

A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.

by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Nov 18, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

ydgi

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Nov 18, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

ravenriley'd

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Nov 18, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

The GIBPs aren't really a problem anymore

He’s a little worse than league average at this point. He’s been at 13% and 14% in the last two seasons for GDP rate, against an 11% league average. Or about three more DPs a season worse than average.

by ken on Nov 18, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I voted a little better.

If Alonso is in the lineup those numbers will approve.

It's never too early to learn that the government is a greedy piglet that suckles on a taxpayer's teet until they have sore, chapped nipples. I'm gonna need a different metaphor to give this nine year old. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Nov 18, 2011 10:36 AM EST reply actions  

speaking of bad LF play

Anyone else loving that the ‘stros are moving to the AL and getting access to a DH just as soon as Carlos Lee’s contract mercifully has run its course?

That karma…she sure can be a bitch sometimes.

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 18, 2011 10:39 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

Anyone else want to remark on this poem about Joey Votto?
I want to prepare for every day
like it will be my last
chance to work a count
choose a bat
zip up this hoodie
in the clubhouse and watch
film of tomorrow’s
pitcher—sometimes
the only thing that seems to mean
tomorrow’s gonna come—
run wind sprints
dream.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Nov 18, 2011 11:57 AM EST reply actions  

yup

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Nov 18, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I like the effort

and the Bonnie Prince Billy reference.

But it is a little to close to bone. Weird, yeah.

Mgr., Red Reporter

"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Nov 18, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Speak for yourself

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Nov 18, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

That's really bizarre.

Is it a series? I feel like the article should have some kind of intro.

Also, Joey Votto has a dog. He mentions it in interviews all the time.

by the finest muffins on Nov 18, 2011 9:21 PM EST up reply actions  

It is part of a series.

I’m really surprised, I really liked this poem. I thought others would, too. I understand everybody’s criticisms, but I dunno, I really like the humanity presented in it. Shrug.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Nov 19, 2011 3:17 AM EST up reply actions  

It's certainly well-written, and my first instinct was, "Oh, that's good."

But it’s just a little strange to write and publish a first-person poem (especially one that’s so… intimate) about someone you don’t know. And it may start with the facts about Joey, but it takes some pretty huge leaps from there. The part you copied out is all right , but stuff like this:

There’s a chance I might never
be a father, that when I want
to tussle hair
I will have to
tussle my own hair.
or this:
and if I wake up now I skip
the hospital, take to the beach
middle of the night
…I don’t know, there’s just something odd and a little off-putting about inventing words that personal and putting them in someone else’s voice—a real person, as much as we project our own interpretation on these guys, not a fictional character.

by the finest muffins on Nov 19, 2011 8:43 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

yeah. Everything you say is very valid. I don't disagree at all.

I’m somewhat certain it’s referrencing some poem I don’t know. NotGraphs has their whole MFA set doing things nowadays.

The Modest Mouse song that they start it off with is really nice.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Nov 19, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I got bored and looked up the author

I found this little short story he wrote.

It’s obviously not, but it’s fun to think it’s about Mesoraco:

"Oh Gord, let’s have sex," I laughed. I put my pinky in the back of his waistband.
           "I’d rather have snacks but you left them at home."

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Nov 19, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

yeek

You’re right, it’s creepy. It’s real person fanfic.

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by BubbaFan on Nov 19, 2011 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

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